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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- On, OoruLabs, India's premier urban affairs podcast,
Raj Kumar Dugar, civic activist and founder of c4c, and Sathya Sankaran discuss how Indian railways is killing state projects & hindering progress. In one of the worst case of bureaucratic oneupmanship and abuse of coercive power and big brotherly attitudes, you will see how the Indian Railways is scuttling a project despite holding a 49% stake in it. The Bengaluru Suburban Rail project was approved after 12 years of struggle, it is now being killed by one of its own parents, the Indian Railways. This in the crown jewel of India’s progress and one of the top 10 innovation capitals of the world, Bengaluru, which is losing 30 thousand crores ever year in lost productivity.
Stock video and picture credits to various contributors on Pexels, Pixabay, Mixkit, K-RIDE, Deccan Herald, Bangalore Mirror, Lead the competition, Swarajyamag. All rights belong to respective owners.
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Timecodes
00:00 - Introduction & context
01:13 - What is BSRP?
05:05 - Interstate vs suburban
11:15 - Fruits of the marriage
15:48 - The rejection & breakup
23:58 - Rant Alert
36:26 - The future
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Profile of Rajkumar Dugar - / rajdugar
Praja RAAG and the Namma Railu campaign for commuter rail system in Bengaluru - praja.in/en/nammarailu
K-RIDE - kride.in
Full details of the Bengaluru Suburban rail Project (BSRP) - www.deccanherald.com/india/ka...
Proposal to carry out feasibility study for Bengaluru Suburban Rail Proj Ph-2 by K-RIDE rejected by South Western Railway - x.com/Lolita_TNIE/status/1729...
Trains to Mysore every 10 minutes- starofmysore.com/trains-betwe...
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Similar problem facing by Indian railway blocking Mumbai suburban railway network laying additional lines track and signalling modernisation. Per day about 90 lakhs commuters travelling in Mumbai suburban railway network. Still thinking Mumbaikar as cattle class. Too much bureaucratic interference and unwillingness to make big drastic reform
and the cancellation of tender of modernized mumbai local rolling stock
very very interesting conversation . Though Satya and Raj were fed up with SWR , they made their point clear and in a polite way without disappointing SWR official . Bureaucratic and corrupted behavior should change .
Lovely healthy discussion. Explains the basics , the issues and solutions .
No wonder Bengaluru is such a fantastic city. Bengalureans like Raj and Sathya make up for the incompetencies and inefficiencies of the government.
Happy to note you liked it.
A small edit at 22:00mins:- The Tender for C4 has been awarded to L&T on 30 Dec 2023. However, the land/alignment issue pertaining to C4 has NOT been sorted out, between KRIDE & SWR, even to this day!! Unless this is sorted out, work on C4 cannot start. In fact, until then awarding of tender is a mere academic exercise - Rajkumar Dugar
Very good discussion! The extension to the nearby towns have to be done now (in the next 10 years) or else it will be too late & more expensive. The MLAs, MPs from the towns like Tumkur, Ramagara have to also be involved proactively!
Sir i am very happy to have found your channel. The city needs crusaders like you. Please keep updating on the infrastructure of our city ... especially the suburban
This is such a clear communication- a brilliant story . The citizen knowledge is so fomidable. I love Ooru labs role.
Amazing insights to the challenges, thanks for this discussion
Glad you enjoyed it!
All ball talks presented as wisdom
The real reason is that at current ticket rates , suburban rail cannot break even even in 2 decades....the famed Mumbai network and all other railways suburban networks are a loss making Social Service entity which is afloat only due to freight profitability...
I'm, sure you have statistics on how metros are making tons of money.
Bhakt aa gaye.
The fundamental objective of any public transport infrastructure is not to make money. We are paying taxes not to create profits, but to get services in return.
Fiscal health is absolutely important for sure, but profit is not why a suburban rail is needed. Local trains exist to provide service to people, not to make money. Also, most metro projects will probably never break even (across the world) - doesn't mean you don't need them.
@@adh123295 No no no, my guy! The taxes are meant for their favourite politician's luxury Bunglow and fast supercars. It's not made for public infrastructure.
Thanks for the insites.. Hope they complete this project soon.. Its would make our life bit easy and efficient.
Excellent conversation, hope the project moves fwd.
Agreed all. But local state govt is also less assuming. They too are not fortcoming
Sub-urban rail is not Rapid rail transport. I think IR is too focused on details and passing the time. With this attitude, I would not wonder if my grand children will see the news that KRIDE is still planning the sub-urban rail for Bengaluru.
It's a very informative podcast. Thanks for your efforts. May I know why Anekal was not made part of this project though it is the last railway station in the greater Bangalore
You are right. All Corridors stop short of their more effective destinations. Corridor4 is from Rajankunte to Heelalige. This must be extended to Anekal. KRIDE has sought mandatory permission for feasibility study to extend the corridors. Unfortunately, unacceptably and shockingly, South Western Railways has rejected their request as explained in the video. We have written to Railway Ministry. Concerned citizens must ask their respective Public Reps to push for these extensions by KRIDE.
A well-informed discussion with good insights. Keep up the good work Mr.Raj Dugar & Satya!
Thanks Capt. nice to hear it from you.
public representatives are more interested in other things not in suburban trains, suburban trains with namma metro has a huge potential to reduce the traffic in Bangalore, but that does not convert to vote that's what their feeling is. hope that all goes well and we will get to travel in and out of city faster.
Was it raised with Railway minister and PMO?
Indian railways under swr, kride, bsrp or any entity should provide airport connectivity round the clock ( at least a train every 2 hours with half general and half AC with good restrooms etc) ASAP. This will reduce traffic(police...I really pity them), pollution. From chikjala railway station, the airport is hardly 6-7 km, Indian railways is not taking up seriously...and we suffer... regards, Ravindra Kumar hg
There are dual requirements in suburban rails.
1. Local suburban train that connects small villages and towns to city, which will be done by KRIDE, and terminate at trier-2 cities (Tumkur, Bangarpet, Hosur, Kunigal, Chikkaballapur etc)
2. Indian railways can run faster trains that connect Bangalore city with tier-2 cities without stopping at small villages and suburbs.
We should learn from China
I have seen near JP park where the new tracks are laid from Yeshwanthpur to Lotegolhalli hardly 10 people working in slow speed. This line may take 5 more years to become operational
Thanks for the indepth insight
Glad it was helpful!
This discussion was very informative, but would have been even better if it had someone who could provide the railway pov. Esp given their multi-decade learnings from Mumbai.
I try to avoid multiple people with competing view points in the same podcast, it begins to look like TV :) But I will will try to reach retired bureaucrats maybe. They will speak more openly. Let me know if there is someone worth speaking to from Mumbai suburban rail.
for every 1 rupee spent there is 35Paise Rate of Return why other District & States Taxpayers money should be spend to develop #SuburbanRailway in #Bengaluru, The city should develop it own #BroadGaugeMetro in Existing Railway Tract + Elevated Metro in the remaining routes
Hahahahaha................ Is Metro coming free? Nothing comes free. Check out the per Km cost of building Metro and Suburban
@@c4cbangalore620 Broad Gauge Metro is constructed by 100% Private Public partnership, Railway just get stocks a minor parter who gives their Railline, stations & infrastructure they are either eligible for a dividend or annnual rent model, But railway will not and cannot interfere with day to day operation, Current example is MRTS of Chennai has be bought #ChennaiMetroCompany
Well explained . 👌👌👌👌👌👌
Glad you liked it
They should make RRTS instead of suburban railway ? Pratap Shima is not in Bengaluru
You havent covered the timelines of how a metro got approval to Airport line faster than the speed of light, all the while when Suburban train approval was already done and their DPR doesnt mention that the "Suburban rail is not a Good viable alternative to the Metro to airport ".
True. But mentioning so many things other than the main topic would dilute the topic and also make it a longer video. You can check some more aspects of Bengaluru Suburban Rail Project here:
th-cam.com/video/VMEEbxDpFX8/w-d-xo.html
BJP had mentioned this suburban rail project in it's manifesto that they are already working on this and will be an achievement soon. But Karnataka people voted BJP out in 2023 assembly elections. Karnataka people wanted free bus ticket for women, ban Bajrang Dal, etc. So what you get is based on whom you vote for.
So do you mean BJP is against the people of karnataka, becuase they did not vote for them. Extending the same logic the people of karnataka should treat BJP as enemies of people, anti-dharma and anti-national. Have some maturity.
ha ha ha Railways is under the central govt so dont give this crappy excuse .
centre can do shit if state doesnt cooperate look at Bengal bihar and up@@rajanisantu
@@kakun63centre can do everything, especially when they want Karnataka tax money
@@srikanthsv79 u answered my question centre can anyways do anything tax or no tax but it doesn't work if state doesn't cooperates
govt must instead force IT companies for work from home instead of overcrowding the cities!!
What if my house is not suitable for working?
@@oorulabs .....there will always be be a clause to keep 25% of the workforce in office, no operations can be 100% remote
Why do you what to resort to government force then? Why cant the offices themselves do this for their employees?
If there is no basic necessities then how this city to be their in the name of metropolitan city this city is totally garbage of unplanned city
This whole Bengaluru local train project is a scam of 18000 crores. Why expand 2 more lines on either side of existing lines with elevated and grade seperated lines being added when
1. existing lines is free
2. 4x2 12 rake train sets already exist and run empty in peak hours as I see it living near a rail line.
3. No stations have been made in halts and places like horamavu nagvara etc
4. Acquiring and occupying road in areas like kr puram and Whitefield road which is already a bottlenect making it a even more narrow bottlenect squeezing traffic.
5. Most of the line runs parallel to existing metro line and is redundant in east and north areas...perhaps the same in others.
So let railways just run local trains with more frequency and make people aware add more stops with existing lines.1000 crore is enough which is already used inexisting trains I guess. May be get some vande metros. Don't expand lines redundantly.
Also bangalore is more of a professional class city than a working class city like Chennai or Bombay metro is what people seek and Suburban rail doesn't find much takers as seen with the existing local trains which run empty.
Not sure how kride even got approval for 18k crore of peoples money when the feasibility study should have failed except for some activism by vested interests.
In the end they are just looking at monetising excess railway land in bangalore. Which is a gold.mine.
Ideally the BSRP should just let railways run local trains running vande metro, on existing lines and more stations, fill gaps like like to airport, remove all gates with underpasses , add regional local trains to tumkiru, hosur etc etc and not waste 18000 crores destroying roads and adding dedicated lines for local trains..
The monetising of excess land should be pure IR project if necessary or better put urban miyawaki forests here to help the city breathe and put the land to good use than greed and destroy the city with concrete all over
In the end the plan is to usurp the excess railway land and monetise them
kanpur metro , lucknow metro, ahmedabad metro, meerut metro do u know why these has been constructed bcs bjp strong holds these r running with less than 50 pct , some r empty in mostof peak working hrs also, of projected highcosts ppl unable to bear bangalore metro running in surplus profits still bjp dont release funds that too karnataka 1st dravidian 😔 state to give bjp full hold govt i am not against bjp want to expose crooked mindset 😮💨
GoK, which is one of the stake holders, is very corrupt.
Also, Vande Metro is a newer concept which effectively overtakes and is much better than the BSRP.
The ring rail is primarily for bypassing the congested city centre so that primarily freight trains have a free track. That is why it is only 2 tracks.
Do you think there would be such a rush of people to travel between Chikkaballapura to Bangarapete that you would need 4 tracks- take it from me. Not in the next 100 years.
While the discussion is sane, there seems to be a jaundiced eye towards SWR.
If BSRP is so eager, let them build metros so that there could be more stations in between and more people can travel
The very fact that both State Govt & Central Govt are continuing to build layers of wide Ring roads AND the fact that Railways wants to build a Ring around Bengaluru will suffice to answer the Q reg people commuting along these rings & need for these rings. Also, it is decades of futile pushing of Railways by many concerned citizens to provide the very service that KRIDE (BSRP) is designed to give Bengaluru, the comprehensive failure of Railways to provide reliable local commute and the present non-cooperative attitude of the Railways which have naturally resulted in "jaundice". Accountability, Transparency and Responsiveness are being given a go-by by SWR vis-a-vis BSRP & local commute. It is ONLY pressure from citizens that is resulting in some actions here & there.