The Alpha Legion Are (Not) Loyal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- Today, let's unravel the enigma that is The Alpha Legion, a Legion as secretive as it is manipulative. They are the true masters of disguise and misdirection, pioneering a role that would eventually find its counterpart in the Inquisition.
00:00 - Intro
02:37 - Identity
04:34 - Great Crusade
07:38 - Horus Heresy
11:07 - Aftermath
13:45 - Conclusion
Music: Mechanicus OST - Noosphere
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Alpharius/Omegon isn't/wasn't a traitor but his legion sure is. The Alpha legion tragedy is just like Naked Snake misunderstanding The Bosses goal at the end of MGS3. Secrecy is harmful when your allies are the ones left in the dark.
Considering it's the Alpha Legion, there might be some elements or warbands that are "secretly" loyal too, it's difficult to accurately gauge. But overall, they're probably a mostly renegade legion. Doesn't seem like they're big fans of chaos, either way.
They're in a weird position lore-wise, I think.
@@RedHierophant23 one of my recent thoughts, is that the alpha legion plays the mark of heresy to keep the chaos factions from aligning their roles into a proper fighting machine and keeps both the cost of functioning and cooperation high enough that normal endeavors out of the eye are strictly limited to Black crusades
Not everyone in the Alpha Legion is traitor, Occam and his Warband for example are very much loyal to the emperor and believe Alpharius Omegon are loyal. It varies from Warband to warband
@@DogKacique The Redacted waged a open war on the Ultramarine and unleashed a greater daemon of khorne upon the galaxy, How does your tiny mind consider these as loyalist actions? You do realize their own justification of "culling of the weak of the Imperium" is meant to be seen as a flimsy excuse in Lore right?
If you operate on a need to know basis, the people under your command don't really understand why they're doing the things they're doing or they think they're doing it for a false reason. If those in the know aren't around, their underlings are going to keep doing what they're doing.
Every detail of alpharius's life, tactics and personality do not lead me to believe he is a traitor or dead. I think hes just on ice, biding his time.
I believe at least one of the twins is both alive and loyal, possibly both of them. They are the one case where GW can bring back a "dead" Primarch and people wouldn't complain much, funnily enough.
@@RedHierophant23 yes this entire topic is nebulas at best. But one of my reasons is how 1st captain ingo peck is loyal during the heresy, even killing an activated alpha legionaire. This isnt proof but it shows that the major part of the legion did not turn traitor.
@@buffbatman2 You can never know for sure with the Alpha Legion. Perhaps they did that with a completely different purpose in mind, but I do somewhat share your opinion. There's also the fact that a loyal Alpha Legion is MUCH more interesting than a traitor one.
@@RedHierophant23 also worth noting is that alpharius was raised on terra by the emperor, but omegon likely never even met him. It makes much more sense to me that the traitor part of the legion came from him.
The Alpha Legion are like discarded pennies. Sooner or later they always turn up.
Im usually an imperium fanboy, but i wouldnt mind both twins being alive, i find it very stupid that Rogal Dorn casually outsmarted them at their own game, and it follows the trend of Dorn being pretty much perfect during the heresy, were he isnt just stalwart, strong and a good commander, as his character is known for, but he turns out to also be quite human, good at understanding underhanded tactics better than Alpharius Omegon (for some fucking reason), and to cap it all off a top tier fighter from a Primarch that in my opinion should be more like Guilliman tier if not slightly better, thats to say, good at fighting, better than Lorgar, but not meant to kill other primarchs, he just get all the Ws in the heresy and its a bit much.
I actually want both of them to be alive too. But I think it's pretty much confirmed that at least one of them is dead, which is probably Alpharius (lol).
Honestly I just think the Alpha Legion and their Primarchs are criminally underrated. They deserve more love.
@@RedHierophant23 definetly agree, it is what it is. In truth id be happy if tjey did something with Clonegrim (unrelated i know, i just really like the guy)
Dorn did not actually outsmart Alpharius, Alph wanted to talk with Dorn, probably to help his defence from Horus' army, but due to Dorn's stuborness he talked with a chainsword
The writing for Praetorian of Dorn was very unbalanced. It was pretty much Mary Sue fluff. Dorn was near perfect in every way and Alpharius was the hapless not quite good enough little brother begging for Dorn to validate him. Trash.
The goal of propaganda is not deception. The goal of propaganda is obfuscation.
I'd say both.
Alpha Legion has to be one of the scariest legions out there
They're terrifying.
Well they are masters of Informational warfare, sabotage, diversions, infiltration, cyber warfare, hell they want to eliminate 19th Legion and disguise themselfs as Raven Guardians and continue to infiltrate loyalists.
Sometimes you don't need bolter and chainsword but poisonous dagger in enemys back.
If peter balish from GOT was a primarck
I think it could clearly be said that the Alpha legion are not loyal to the Imperium but to a higher cause that only the Emperor might understand. I'd imagine at least they are kinda renegades but they are not chaos corrupted.
Amazing content pal! Big fan here. Keep up the good work m8
I appreciate the support, my brother.
@@RedHierophant23 big hugs brother. m8 rogue trader game is such a blast and i'm enjoying my playthrough like a true WH40k lore fan. Dunno if you're interested with the game or you play it but i'd like to recommend you making a video about them. quite a unique faction in many ways.
I think wh40k nerds like me would enjoy such a deep dive by you. I'm spreading the word about your channel among my circle of friends. your channel and content deserves a much larger audience brother. best wishes good luck!
@@Aetlaify I made the Rogue Trader video for that exact reason! Unfortunately I won't be able to play it for a while since my current PC is basically a toaster. But that game was probably the one I was most hyped about, after seeing some of it during the Alpha. I'm glad you're having a good time with it though. Which origin did you pick? I'm thinking of playing as a Benevolent Crime Lord during my first playthrough.
I really appreciate you spreading the word about my content. I promise I will try my very best to improve and make even better videos in the future. Regarding content related to Rogue Trader, I've been flirting with the idea of making a video about the Koronus Expanse, but I also have several other scripts in the works at the moment, so I don't really know when I'll be releasing that one.
Inspiration can be weird sometimes. lol
@@RedHierophant23 M8 i love the Commissar stories of WH40k a lot! Like Yarrick, Ibram Gaunt, Ciaphas Cain so i decided to carve my own path as one. He's a voidborn and not coming from the usual stock. As my roleplay choice he's a pragmatic one yet my motivation relies on forming a strong bond with my retinue and crew by my caring deeds while also preserving the order. Like the Ceasar of Julii. Loved by his subordinates and rank and file and respected by his leadership qualities. And brother its so rewarding. I don't want to be a "badass" but a leader to serve my house and above all by my actions our beloved god emperor and imperium. I'd say my character qualities and my role play lies in between Guilliman and Vulkan in a sense.
If you're thinking about making a video about the Koronus Expanse you've my best wishes and blessings brother. Because i was thinking like "dude wish i'd like to know more about that sector". You know the urge of feeling like the discoverers of past. Magellan, Columbus, Cook... Stories and gossips, serving a monarch or for the sake of wealth and fame or everything i've mentioned above draw their attention to somewhere uncharted, mysterious... Same rule applies to me as a pioneer of the imperium at galactic scale. I completely trust your insight brother. Choice is yours to make :)
@@Aetlaify That's an interesting approach! Usually people go full ruthless when playing as Commissars, because of their atrocious reputation. But personally, I think character like Gaunt and Cain are much more interesting for going against the stereotype.
Though I suppose playing as an anti-xenos brutal Commissar can also be quite fun.
I think a Psyker playthrough might be really interesting too, there are quite a few possibilites in regards to that origin.
I listen to these lore videos all day at work. Great video RH!
I appreciate that, brother!
Alpharius is dead, killed by Dorne. Omegon is missing. Alpharius was discovered before Horus but kept secret, GW retconned/added to the existing lore.
The way I see it, they just wanted pure raven Geneseed, and wanted to make sure the white scars did not go chaos, because they felt they could not manipulate the Khan. They maintain much infighting amongst all the chaos legions.
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The Dark Hydra for Slaanesh!
The Alpha Legion who change their color to purple and become Crocodiles of Slaanesh (Night Lords become Dragons and Emperor's Children become Serpents), along with their Primarchs Alpharius and Omegon.
The Chaos Symbol of Slaanesh symbolizes the Dark Ice Moon (in various lunar forms).
Can the Moon of Slaanesh help make the Hydra, Alpharius/Omegon, and the Alpha Legion beautiful for the Dark Prince (the twin Primarchs who have a fall as beautiful as the Silver Knight's)?
Is it good enough?
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Salamanders and Daemon Primarch Vulkan of Slaanesh?
Aren't they much more seductive than Emperor's Children and Fulgrim (remaining stoic)?
Dark Kroxigors convert the XVIII Legion to Slaanesh, becoming horribly excessive (changing to purple color)!
The most terrifying thing is that they all transform into a draconic horde of dark serpentine Dragons!
The III Legion defends Terra, once again worthy of their honor and name.
So, does it sound perfect?
The Alpha Legion may be factional. Older marines loyal to the Emperor, younger to choas, and some truly renegade. All manipulated to serve an illusive core that remains in control
better to divide Alpha Legion into Alpha Legion proper (Loyalist) and Ghost Legion (Chaosite) as their treasonous successor chapter/warband.
good shit, thank you soldier!!
New drinking game. Take a shot every time this dude says 'enigmatic'
Alpha legion=information & electronic warfare.
unlike the other legions their specialty of real life warfare is likely the latest form in the setting of 40k.
The salamanders is scorched earth warfare all being pyromaniacs.
Black Templers=Feudal warfare being only chapter that didn't have 2nd founding likely the most numbers.
Iron fists are basically fortifications & defence.
Iron Warriors being industrial warfare such as defence in depth which is is really offence retreat very slowly hence well suited to trench warfare as I bet the Iron warrior & the Death Korps of Krieg would be mood kindreds on much.
White scars= mobile & mounted warfare a,
Ultramarines/ Smurfs= Hellenic-roman warfare & my extension drilled regiment, logistics & endless adaptability making them some what broken as they represent all late peak ancient warfare inadvertently. The ultramarines are not a aspect of warfare but an Entire time period which is kind of massive bias!
Technically speaking only the Black Templers show an entire time period of warfare.
The mechanicus= technological warfare & the military complex fused with religion as a theocratic state.
The Mechanicus is peak 40k.
I would say the Alpha Legion are similar in secrecy to the Dark Angels
My friends call me Al
Hydra Dominatus? Or for the Emperor?
Both legionary Traianus.
Tx a lot. Interesting
To me, it is clear Alpha Legion is traitors, because had they joined the loyal side, the emperor would not have been trapped on the throne.
That would have been a better alternative for humanity.
But... what if their machinations prevented Horus from becoming the Emperor and ALL of humanity falling to Chaos?
@@karkosgiehex You mean,
what if them sabotaging every loyal chapter,
preventing them from knowing of the planned betrayal,
informing Russ of Horus betrayal preventing Magnus falling to chaos,
not allowing the Isstvan mascara to happen by knowing who could not be trusted and Ferrus could have survived,
Was all part of a plan?
Yeah, we all know that is not true.
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 Getting a family of xenophobic supermen to listen to the plan of an Eldar cabal isn't really destined for success, even if it is a good plan.
But... Did Alpharius EVER just shoot from the hip without over-thinking things through?
@@karkosgiehex No, he planned his betrayal in detail, to make sure the impact against the loyal was as large as possible.
But he still failed at putting Horus on the throne, because he was not as smart as he thought.
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 Did you read Legion by Dan Abnett? Maybe my recollection is a bit fuzzy... I don't recall anybody planning to keep Horus as a ruler, but I do recall a plan to stop Chaos with the Eldar.
Great video! But is it being narrated by an AI? I think your real voice would be better! Even if you don't think you would sound good, people wanna get to know you! Try it out sometime 😊😊😊
I appreciate the feedback, my brother. I encountered 2 main problems while trying to narrate those videos myself.
1. My current microphone isn't good enough to offer the experience I'm trying to provide.
2. Frankly, I've had some difficulty pronouncing certain words in english, considering it's my second language.
I do intend to rectify both of those issues in the future. I'm practicing my english everyday for that reason.
Also, thank you the constructive criticism.
@@RedHierophant23 voice is great pal. what makes your content so great is your narrative and story telling which is impeccable.
Yeah, I'm definitely leaning more to the narrative side of the 40k content. When I was starting this channel, I didn't really know what style of content I should lean towards. In one hand you have someone like PancreasNoWork making goofy and fun videos, and then on the other you have someone like Luetin or The Remembrancer.
Personally I think both styles of content are interesting and fun to make, but I've found some amount of success with the more "serious" style. I also think it's just easier to write too, I'm a goofy man but at the end of the day, writing jokes can be deceptively hard.
Anyways, forgive my ranting. I guess I just wanted to point out that I appreciate and understand the praises and criticism regarding my videos. It is something I constantly think about, because I wish to improve my content.
@@RedHierophant23 you know pal there are couple typical archetypes out there when it comes to content creation on WH40k universe. Either is copy pasta onemindsyndicate style of don't get me wrong but dull ones. Or the ones like Majorkill which is just "ok" or the ones like Scholar' Lore. Narrative based, deeper than usual, like listening a sermon of an actual imperial scholar. Like you say brother more "serious" yet so nice to listen. Like listening the fall of Beleriand from Gandalf himself. Or Elrond tells you how Numenorians corrupted by Sauron. Gives you the feeling like you were "there". My two cents brother.
@@Aetlaify Scholar's Lore and Luetin are what I'm going for with my general vibe, so I'm glad you could make that association. Truthfully, putting my own spin on these videos is something that I'm struggling with, to a degree. It's definitely much harder than I thought. But I think after something like 20 videos I'll get a better grasp on it.
Istvaan 5 equals traitor, end of story.
It's not that simple. They been fooled to Cabals prophecy about killing chaos by killing humanity in that time. Otherwise they will never do such things and probably before second wave arrive will rush to the planet and warn Ferrus, Vulkan and Corax about future treason from Conrad, Lorgar and Pert.
Gwillaman really ? Your AI sucks