So I tried the new RTX 4070..
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That latency + fps + 1% fps graph layout is so beautiful. Big kudos
Very good visual indeed
I would be interested in seeing that graph again but all GPUs capped at the same frame rate to see if there is any difference in latency between the different generational architectural pipelines.
Shamelessly stolen from pauls hardware:
The GTX 970 (2014, $330) was 21% faster than the GTX 780 (2013, $650)
The GTX 1070 (2016, $380) was 29% faster than the GTX 980 (2014, $550)
The RTX 2070 (2018, $500) was 16% faster than the GTX 1080 (2016, $600)
The RTX 3070 (2020, $500) was 26% faster than the RTX 2080 (2018, $700)
However, 4070 is basically identical to 3080 for just 100$ less. I guess it's a good graphics card, but NVIDIA have robbed us of most of the performance per $ improvements with this insane pricing.
I hope people don't buy them so NVIDIA is forced to lower the price, but given how well the "bad value" 3060 sold, I'm not holding my breath.
Ask TSMC to not charge stupid money for their wafers lol
@@GewelReal Nah Nvidia are the ones raising prices insane amounts for greed reasons. Stop with the stupid bait "answers" I see you doing on every other tech channel.
lol click the link. its an $800 card
600 dollars for “midrange” graphics card, btw.
Technically the 3060 has aged better than the 3060ti, 3070 and 3070ti. The 12GB of vram allows the 3060 to run more stable on newer games. Sure lower FPS, but far less stutters and graphic issues.
I really liked that you included the 1080 Ti, as an owner of one it's hard to tell relative performance when only given 20 series and above. Love your videos and style, keep it up man!
The GTX 10 series still happens to be the BEST GPU releases of all time!
Me too! I still find it hard to enthuse about an upgrade whilst my 1080ti still lives and performs just fine at 1440p for me! Although the coil whine is extremely loud nowadays haha
@@GeorgeThoughts yea i am still on gtx 970 and i refuse upgrading too!
@Oskar Jennische makes no sense why you brag about it given you can't run new games at anything over 10 fps
@@Evan-xs8ts because i beat everyone with 10 fps! Nuubs!
4:22 the reason the 3070 is so close to the 4070 is because the textures aren't actually loading in which means it doesn't have to render as much as the 4070 which results in much better performance for the 3070 than in actuality
lol nice catch brother.
That's because you playing that game at lower ram and settings lol😂
4070 ti should’ve been the 4070 and the 4070 should’ve been the 4060 ti or 4060 (performance wise at least)
Also, the 7900xt shouldve been the 7800xt. Im tired of the naming games these companies do.
@@ek9385 and the 7900xtx should have been the 7900xt
@@ek9385 Agreed, the 7900xtx and 7900xt naming is stupid.
nope
and yet it doesnt matter whatsoever.....literally at all yet lets argue semantics so that things SEEM better overall yes
If it were $450 I'd consider.
Even at $500 I think this card would be far more compelling and somewhat fairly priced. Like someone else said, though, I think this level of performance should have probably been the 4060 Ti at $400 and the 4070 Ti should have been the 4070 at $550.
@@europason2293i got the 4070 12gb for $500 shipped and with tax. you think that was good or did i fuck myself? the games i’ve tried have shown good performance difference (3070ti was my last)
Thanks for mentionning the frame/watt metric it is not always brought up in an obvious way in reviews.
4:24 that 3070 clip though
Haha yeah, and the dude just continues the praise with zero mention of the VRAM issues. Just that "AMD are insane", lol.
What does that mean?
@@lolilolplix and yet the 2070 has the same VRAM bus width and memory bandwidth as the 3070 and had no issues, more than likely the pile of shit port of TLoU
the 2070 has the same VRAM…pretty obvious it’s a bug and not an issue specific to the 3070
@@sterlingbxyd That would indeed be interesting to see further analyses of. In other tests, the Nvidia 3000 series did show bigger overhead than AMD 6000…maybe RTX 2000 is more efficient with its memory?
NVidia is just farming money at this point lmfao
4:20 it looks like VRAM was full on RTX 3070 and textures were replaced with some blobs.
Definitely looks way off.
Yeah I noticed that too, 8gb of vram too small
Went straight to the comments to see if others saw this too!
The hair bug strikes again!
has nothing to do with VRAM, this bug appeared for me on my 3080ti as well. TLUO PC port is just buggy and the hair texture thing effects cards at random.
The size of the pcb is the coolest part of this card. There could be some very fun compact watercooling potentials with that card
Literally the case for any 4000 FE or reference card. :D
@@1stRanger think
@@BAG97 go
@@1stRanger thats what i thought
@@BAG97 Don't flatter yourself.
i’ve been waiting for this vid thanks
pretty obvious this was going to be the 4060/ti
Right! That memory bus looks absolutely anemic 😂
599 is already hard to swallow. Pretty sure AIBs will be more than that.
In the UK it’s £589.00 😢 crazy expensive.
@@shiftyuk it will come down to 550-560
@@shiftyuk that’s literally the msrp
actually the opposite is happening . AIBS are $10-$20 cheaper than FE card at my best buy
@@sterlingbxyd a year later they are £470
I am more interested into lowering power consumption , like playing in 120 watt instead of heaving 300 fps .. 120 fps 1440p is fine for me
Undervolt.
I'd love to know the potential of the 4070 in an ITX system given it's smaller size and low power draw!
Same
Worked at best buy for 2 years as an advanced repair agent building pcs and it took me the whole 2 years to get 3080 FE at retail price
The smaller FF and power draw is definitely appealing, but I need to see this card go down to that 400-500 price point.
used market is lowkey op, got an aorus master for 525 basically brand new, came with all the stuff
What software do you use to make the charts?
Can you do an undervolt video? curious to see how low fps to watt can go
600$ is midrange now, huh? 😞
Just upgraded from GTX1080/I7-6700K :) to the 4070TI/I9-13900KF. Went prebuilt route this time and I'm satisfied. It was time for an upgrade. The 1080 is still kicking it though. Amazing card over all these years. Have not turned on the Series X since. I spotted my old Voodoo 1 & 2 3dfx cards in my garage a few week ago.
The 1080 was an incredible card. One of the fans broke on it probably a year ago but still manages to stay at optimal temps while holding 90-120fps at 1440p depending on the title. I now have a 4070 on a i7-13700k and plays everything I want it to. (shame the games don't live up to the potential of gaming performance...)
My 1080 is still holding its own but I think its time to upgrade
Love your vids bro, keep'em up!
I love your content bro, keep up the good work!!!❤❤❤
Still rocking my GTX 1070 🤭
had 1060 6gb, couldn't play well on 1080p anymore
Still rocking my GT 1030. 😅
Can play "Star Ocean: The Last Hope - 4K & Full HD Remaster" at 4K30fps Lowest settings. 😋
@@R6ex 😱😀
Same. Using my 1070 Ti for 1080p and its great.
You didn't mention the additional VRAM on the 6950xt. Just as we are seeing 8gb reach its limits this year, we might see 12gb reach its limits 2 years from now.
We could see 12GB limit much earlier than that.
if you look at 4:23 the 3070 seems to be failing to pull the hair textures properly. is this the 8gb of vram?
@@lordseptomus441 Oh man.
@@lordseptomus441 Doubt it the 2070 also has 8gb of vram.
@@supabass4003 oh yee, ik ik. there's a chance there's something less obvious being messed up in the 2070 scene, or maybe it's drivers are more optimised for the lower vram. I honestly am not very well versed on this, but I thought I'd point out what I saw.
I would love to see some reviews about nvidia surround for someone who plays on 3 monitor 4k or 1440p.
Will you swap your current CPU to 7800x3d in your FormD?
I wonder the power draw of the 6950 xt if the performance is capped to that of the 4070, whether through capping the wattage drawn through adrenaline or capping the fps in-game. Usually they push the power on those high end cards for the last 10% of performance.
this hairstyle also looks pretty bad on him
@@chimpo131 🤡
@@chimpo131 true, idk the relevance to this comment but you're not wrong
I just bought the 4070 FE and I am excited to get it in. What power supply do you recommend I get for this GPU? Also, another question. Do they make special cables for the 4070 that I don't need to use the adapter that comes in the box?
600w and yes, there are power supplies with the 12vhpw on the modular interface
Love the "heal me" username on tank hahah for OW xDDDD
Bro ur studio looks amazing 😌
499 msrp rtx 3070 same perf as 2080 ti, rtx 4070 599 msrp slower than 3080 ti
Agreed
That 3070 Last of Us footage is absolutely comical.
VRAM has left the chat.
which is strange since the 2070 has the same amount of VRAM bus width and memory bandwidth
Just upgraded from 3070 to 4070 FE and its amazing! so glad because there's so many Neg youtubers had my doubts,
should i get it at $600 or do u think price may get lower in coming months? :/
Literally it’s only value, is DLSS3. 12GB is gonna be limiting for many before long.
12 gb will be the next standard..we will not jump straight to 16 GB games..when 90% of gamers have 8GB or less at the moment
Won't be limiting for 1080p though ... 😅
I'd go 4080 for 1440p and 4090 for 4K, so as not to worry about VRAM stutters for the years ahead. 😋
@@zap900 4 games have launched in the last 3 months with high required VRAM allocations. I wouldn't be so sure of that. UE5 games are bound to blow by those 8GB VRAM buffers on anything higher than Low or Medium settings 1080p.
@@zap900 12GB is apparently the standard NOW, so the next standard is gonna be 16GB.
Just lower the texture quality 🤷
This thing runs super cool and quiet and looks stunning. That’s why I bought it. Should it cost 100$ less? Sure.
Was waiting for this!
When is 'The Best ITX cases V4' video? Any time soon??? Love the video BTW and keep the amazing content going.
2:36 ...
that flick was insane
Ali, would you be able to bench the 4070 with the 1080ti at 1440p high settings?
Look up the 1080 ti vs the 3080 and that's just about the same thing.
6:20 With the current prices for energy you also have to consider the power consumption over the years.
Love the hair bug in the 3070 footage for the last of us! 🤣🤣
Is it possible that if nvidia gave this generation better memory bandwidth that they would perform substantially better? For the spec difference between the 4070 and 4070 ti aside from memory I’d think that the difference would be bigger.
I wouldnt think twice between the 4070 and 4070ti - because everything that will stutter 2 years from now in 4k will also not run smooth on the 4070ti either. there is not enough raw power difference there, and maybe more decisive, the same amount of rather skimpy 12GB of VRam. the 4070 seems to be the more round package. 100$/€ less would have been nice though. but its understandable, there is no direct competitor in that price range.
Don’t forget the size.
70 series was not even for 4k ,why would you do that?
@@cant461 Huh? Both 70s can easily handle 4k games at 60 FPS. How are they not 4k cards? We're in an age of technology where every newly released card should handle most games of the last 5 years in 4k.
@@DonDadda45 if they can handle then why they need to release 80 and 90 series then ?
@@FriendNotFoeBand yeah and its never everyone pocket size to get that optimum spec
Thanks for this review. Bought one. Cheers!
how is the performance for After Effect and Premier Pro rendering?
Look at the frametime graph at 8:35 its smooth and flat on the 6950XT and stuttery on the RTX4070!
@@Wobbothe3rd Cry more lil bish
nah id take the 6800xt/6950xt over this anyday.
Should i go with this FE or the Palit or something else for the Ghost s1?
What cooler are you using?
My guess is that they aren't releasing the true 4070 and this one was perhaps originally supposed to be the 4060 Ti.
That would match up with the TDP, compact size, same CUDA cores
I'm guessing this is originally the 4070 ti, since the current 4070 ti was their 4080 12gb.
The memory bit bus was decreased significantly from 256 to 192 (IS THE CAUSE OF ITS Major Limitations Just like the 4070Ti)
@@hansdoreenpeople would’ve gone insane and they would’ve unlaunched the second time but yeah it operates more like an overpriced 3060ti
@@Drewkungfoo does the bit bus size marginally affect performance?
@@theebigstink4193 yes
Looking to upgrade from GTX 1080, 6800xt or 6950 xt seems to be the better options.
went from 2080 to 6800xt, no regrets, lovely performance on 1440p and 16gb vram on top
They also have more VRAM so yeah
if you dont care about ray tracing, yes, otherwise you will need Nvidia's superior ray tracing capabilities and DLSS 3
Nah they look terrible. I would go higher, for 7900XT at least
because they are, unless youre way too sensitive about power consumption
love the glitch in TLOU 4:28 lol
Was that with dlss on or off in these tests.
I switched from NVIDIA to AMD. I feel that AMD give more value and performance with their last gen. But, i don't like that AMD holding back on their 7800 XT and 7700 XT cards.
More value and performance - May i know how?
@@anuzahyder7185 AMD Cards are often like 1/3 cheaper than their Nvidia counterpart cards, in some games they even perform better. They also offer much more Vram which is more future proof
@@DonDadda45 1/3rd r u crazy? Being cheaper than discontinued nvidia gpus isn’t anything to write home about. N value is subjective. Their last gen gpu is worse than the nvidia counterparts in everything except sometimes in rasterization
Would you rather they fail their release of those two the same as the 7900? 'cause it's pretty well accepted that they messed up and are trying to cope in software (drivers) and perhaps in hardware (N32).
Honestly, I want more power for VR at lower wattage, so I'm waiting for 4060, 4060 Ti and 4070 or 7600, 7700, 7800, but some on that list are... too power hungry or gimped in VRAM. It's not looking good for an upgrade if AMD messes up N32 or if 4060 Ti is 8GB. Last hope in N33... 🥲
@@mickaelsflow6774 AMD allways mess up their launches.
Might as well wait for the 50series imo.
Love the vids bro
I love the design of your charts. Your visuals are always amazing
The result for 1440p no RT Cyperpunk is strange. I looked at few other reviews and at 1440p they all had 6950XT actually leading by 15 to 20%, pretty big performance disparity for it to be losing by that amount instead.
i think its due to bottleneck or something similar in this benchmark.. i dont really believe, that the 4070 beats the 6950xt in cyberpunk
i guess this channel are little bit biased to nvidia
4070 can do frame generation. That's where your disparity comes from.
@@romxxii No, since the results with RT+Upscaling are what they should be. It would not make sense to use FG in one scenario and not the other, especially without mentioning it.
@@chabosmulm it doesnt. no other tests show that it beats the 6950 xt hell it is 50/50 vs 6800xt
Studio and gym tour ❤
what about 4K? Will the games (with vsync on) reach at least 60FPS?
Sold my 1080 ti to my brother for $200. So I ended up only having to pay $400 for the 4070. It’s perfect for my needs. The power efficiency is amazing as well as thermals. I don’t play super high refresh rate competitive games. Maybe 120 fps at 1440p. I’m more of the single player type. And with DLSS 3.5 right around the corner with the new Cyberpunk DLC I couldn’t be happier. Now I can comfortably skip the next couple generations of GPU’s until we get a 4090 performance card at a 70 series price point.
not tryna shill but since you compared it against the 4070 ti, you should have also compared it to the 7900 xt which is also 800$ now, also should have mentioned the 4gb more vram on the 6950 xt, otherwise great video
He also needs to fix his Cyberpunk Benchmark. No reason why Tech Jesus and Hardware Unboxed both get 20%+ on the 6950xt over the 4070 yet he gets the opposite. Makes him less trustworthy as it is not the first time he somehow got completely different results as the most trusted channels once again.
question about monitors what is the best 240hz around $250
Thanks for another great video Ali! I would love to know how you create those bar graphs and charts, they are very clean looking and I would love to use that style in my line of work. Could you let me know how you do it? Best from Louisiana!
What about 4k gaming performance? How it is compared to the 7900 XT and what to expect in the future, is 12GB ram really enough?
4k gaming falls short on the 4070
12GB of VRAM is not enough for 4k gaming
This generation isn’t really ready for 4k.
Can’t Wait to live with the Anxiety
of having Only 12GB of VRAM. 😅
What do you mean?
@Bill Oklahoma even 1080ti still good at 1440p, as long as you not using ultra preset.
Will you be reviewing the 4080 noctua?
I would love to see review from you for MARVO Fit Pro G1W Omron Switch Wireless.
RX 6800 XT is $550 or so and RX 6950 XT is $620 or so. They have more VRAM and equal or better rasterization but worse efficiency and ray tracing performance.
Everyone is talking about the efficiency, yet i underclocked (2150mhz)and undervolted my 6800xt to use 185w 2 years ago. To get similar power to performance now isn't really that much to write home about
Ok it can do pathtraced CP at 30fps base but why only test the most extreme settings? people who dont like inserted frames wont like that framerate.
I’ve been running a 2070 for a bit and with Enshrouded coming out I want to upgrade. Should I snag this?
12GB of RAM means it will be useful for 1 year, maximum 2
In amd’s world ryt?
@@anuzahyder7185 No, in real world
Whats crazy is how fast technology is advancing. 3070 8gb used to run everything but the vram of that card makes it look very dated. I think 12gb will be good for 2 years running at good settings before having to turn down some settings on future games. 16gb vram probably more future proof probably last you 3-4 years. and 24gb like with the 7900xtx and 4090 probably 5years+
Dead on arrival with 12gb of ram on par with the TI version. Just look at what happened with the 3070.
Nothing happened to 3070. Stop using unoptimized games as examples
if you pause at 4:28 you see the 3070 is different from other two, I wonder if graphics bug or wrong settings
I am upgrading today from a 1070 to a 4070 FE and it was down to $500 as of June 2024.
Excited to see the difference.
What about undervolting? Can it reach below 100W without much loss?
I think 100W is too extreme, 4070's TDP is 200W, I think you would get about 60% of original performance. but 40 series cards in general are beasts in the realm of UV and OC. Someone has tried to UV 4070 to around 140W, and the card runs around 80C degrees during gaming WITHOUT FANS while still have 90% of the original performance
120w with memory overclock
If it can reach 120W then I'm buying one right now
No?
@@cks2020693 damnnn without fans???? that's crazy
It seems like every other generation nvidia makes big jump in performance. 10 series was big increase, 20 series was small increase, 30 was big increase, 40 series small increase except for 4090. So 50 series could be bigger increase again.
Well, except for every other generation.
400 to 500 was decent, 500 to 600 was pretty good in newer games, 600 to 700 was massive, 700 to 900 was huge, 900 to 1000 was huge.
dude
stop milking nvidia. They are ruining the consumers.
@@erjohn5404 Consumers ruin themselves lol.
No one is forcing them to buy from Nvidia.
@@erjohn5404 Nvidia are popular that's why they have 90% market share. AMD is garbage, no ray tracing, no DLSS, higher power draw.
Yeah, most PC component companies do some kind of cycle like this. Intel used to call it tick tock model.
I overclocked my 4070 founders adition getting an extra 400 mhz running amazing pushing 175 fps at ulta graphics 4k call of duty, also running ryzen 9 7050x3d cpu amazing
got my 3080 at MSRP in the UK! No regrets!
very disappointing
You do you. I'll enjoy my 4070 for the next 3+ years
idk if they called it 4060TI and dropped the price by 100 dollars it's a decent card. ngreedia just being greedy as always.
@@GewelReal And then you'll wake up.
@@sergtrav
Don't wake him up
Nvidia fanboy
@@GewelReal me too
I guess I'm keeping my 3070 for now. It's really good enough for most games I play (at QHD resolution), and the performance upgrade really isn't worth the price hike. Hoping the next gen would actually be NEXT gen performance increase (like how the 30 series was).
I always upgrade my gpu once in two generations.
@@EkoFranko Same here, i just went from 1070ti to 4070, next one will be 6070 probably.
@@TheGamerTazzgotta get 6090 for the meme
@@AimbotThundah the meme won't take my money
@@hoohslegit 4070 is a great 1440p card, as long as it holds every non competitive game at ultra 60+ fps I'm fine, since I put settings lower in competitive
4:20 the 3070 can't load the textures though (that port is crap), but it's weird that 2070 doesn't have that issue
that extra 100 USD hurts
Yah this convinced me to go AMD this gen, although I can see this card being great for SFF builds
So what gonna happen to all that 8-10gb graphic cards still on the shelves (3070, 3070ti, 3080...) which retails for more than $600? 😅
they can keep it for decorations
Do you reckon they will drop in price now ?
Where are there new 3080s? They all sold out months ago
@@finity9316 nope
Do you really need more than 12 GB for 2K gaming?
What is up with the last of us graphic on the 3070? 4:23
Gonna rock my gtx 1080ti until it can't compute Got it from 1st day its release still up there after how ever long it was ago
I would say the main appeal of this card is the power draw, far more efficient than my 3080.
and DLSS 3
Exactly why I want it
@@BrandonCraig-yi7zu Im gonna wait and see what AMD has to offer with the 7700/7800XT and FSR 3 first.
@@ssaini5028 Wonder when that is going to be though
@@-opus AMD has messed up enough already. Fingers crossed they can nail this segment. I mean there is no reason why they cannot out perform the 4070 and 4070TI with better performance price ratio. They know what they are dealing with here.
It should have been 400€ for the highest
For the last of us part 1 the 3070 has some odd defects in the hair any reason for that?
Incredible video and you have the best graphs out of all the TH-camrs!! Thank you, so clear and easy to read and understand
If electricity is cheap where you live, delete Nvidia from consideration, go AMD you will not regret it.
Can we talk about the ping you get in Apex? what!!!!?
At $600 price point, I'm disappointed.
He makes content and is the main reason I got into Apex legends. What a W. Thank you, Ali
Exactly what i was thinking to do, second hand 3080 or 3080ti and upgrade to 1440p is my future way to go !
I just upgraded to 1440p165Hz, and honestly my 2070 Super is still doing quite well.
@@bomas_ulz Well even new games that are reasonably well optimized run great. I get around 100-120 fps on Halo: Infinite 1440p high, and around 150 on Doom Eternal ultra (with raytracing switched off).
My new 1440p monitor supports both freesync and g-sync, so once it is time to replace the 2070S, I'll be free to choose manufacturer. Currently trending towards AMD, because I wanna switch to Linux in the long run.
@@Wobbothe3rd if you keep the card for 5 to 10 years sure
@@headtaker02 3080 gets no where near 200 and below with undervolting not even close barely hits 250 AND you still lose performance
@@GeoStreber Im still rocking my 2070 Super, but the performance of the 4070 is very tempting, I'll try and hold off on upgrading until the next generation though, even though the 4070Ti and 4070 already basically have double the performance of the 2070