One of my favorite small details about this case is that Franziska got shot in the same shoulder as her father and reacted differently in the best way. It shows that she's not like her father in some of the best ways possible.
@TheGreatSkenardo True, but the parallels are still really neat. In fact, the circumstances of them getting shot are also inversions of one another. Manfred got shot due to bad karma while Franziska was just doing her job.
Using the magatama in such a clever way to trick you into believe that your client is "innocent" was BRILLIANT! First you never expect your client to be the culprit (evil guy) because through both games all until this one case every single one of your client was absolutely 100% innocent. The way they gaslight you into believing he was innocent was incredible! Because he did not murder the victim himself, he sended an assassin after him so of course the Magatama wouldn't detect a lie because he didn't murder anyone HIMSELF! And then the emotional rollercoaster of needing to defend this bad evil villain while fearing for Maya's safety! What a rollercoaster of emotions!
@@ITAndroMedianit’s less about Matt trying to get away on a technicality and more that he genuinely believes what he said. He didn’t kill anyone, including Juan. Matt’s morals are just so twisted that he doesn’t feel like he spiritually hiding a secret when he says that.
There's a reason many fans of the series consider this the absolute best trial of all time. It's definitely up there as the most intense and stressful.
Miles didn't know about the situation with Maya, which implies that he's indeed sharp enough to understand that this case has more than meets the eye and he's willing to go along with Phoenix's bullshit to see where it goes, because for the first half of the case a lot of Phoenix's actions has been out of character. Miles "Boyfoe" Edgeworth has transcended verbal communications and now he's catching vibes
Uh, if he fall on that floor, let him go, gone People ain't built for this page in my arc All this Champagne put a stain on my heart Don't pick him up, he ain't built for this part If you wasn't here for them lows, walk Blick on my hip and I'm dressed like a God Labels like burners, just use 'em to toss I take a shot and like Moses they part Man, I can't tell what you mean (Huh) Why does your black feel like business to me? Industry lies never line up on screen (Facts) Peggy keep scoring, I feel like the Dream Yeah, what you want, ugh Y'all love the fake, I've been real from the start Never hesitate to shoot at a star Stocked up on weapons and pussy and cars Just thought you should know, ugh Look at this lane that I made, it was vacant These veggie grill people don't really want beef Real people dying and fakers replace 'em Now I see my DNA all in y'all beats Talk, fakers just rap, don't back up what they talk Pray for me, got so much smoke in my heart Rap like I'm gifted and grew up on guard, yeah Shorty want dick (What?), money, and leverage One out of three, feel like three when I'm in it (Skrrt) Peggy the G.O.A.T., more like the feds As soon as you see me you know that it's finished And, how can you tell that he's winnin'? (How?) Floated right through the pandemic, no limits Stunted creatively, don't got a vision I die for my pride, you be hiding in gimmicks Glock with a switch, turn a vegan to spinach (Brrt) PM-50, we ain't beefin', you dinner Turn a "I'll do it" right into "Who did it?" Some you can't speak, you should just buy a ticket Choke 'em to death with the smoke from this fye Giving these alt fools hope when I die Call up my mama then hang up the line (Bitch) Money got me feelin' white like I'm Ty Hawk! When I go out tell 'em Peggy ain't give up, he fought, fuck 'em!
This trial is also why I love Fransizka as a character! A lot of people might say that it's kind of a cop out to have her be revealed as a "not that bad" person, but the truth of her breakdown is a lot heavier and sadder really. Considering she's been in her father's shadow all her career up until going against Phoenix, when she in turn starts living in Miles's shadow she just can't catch a break! At the begining all she's painted as is nothing but a copy of her dad, then she follows Miles's path completely which also frustrates her as she is not allowed by a single character to be her own person. And then at the end when she's done with it all, Miles the only family she has left and the one person she's always looked up to telling her that he's ready to abandon her if she gives up. What else does she have left but to cry her eyes out, her whole breakdown gives the message of "I never expected this to be so hard". I think all she ever really wanted was to stand in court side by side with Miles as equals, which they kinda do in the 3rd game i guess? I do wish there was more of her tho, I know she's present in Edgeworth's games but an apearance in the mainline games where we get to see her become her as her own person would be amazing for her character!
I disagree with Edgeworth’s “this is where we part ways” being a “I’m ready to abandon you again.” It’s him saying “I will respect your decision to stop prosecuting if that’s what you want, but I will continue being a prosecutor.” Remember, he says “if you will no longer walk the prosecutor’s path, then this is where we part ways.” That’s not Edgeworth abandoning Franny. I mean he chased after her to have this conversation. It’s him giving her autonomy, giving her the space to be her own person. At least, that’s my interpretation.
@@MrLegendofLP Edgeworth did something that nobody else ever did. He gave her an option. That sudden freedom was probably too much for her to bear at the time.
@@MrLegendofLP agreed! it's telling her that he doesn't have expectations for what she's "supposed to" be, which is something she's never been told before
She's also a better lawyer than Edgeworth (at least certainly better than AA1 Edgeworth)! She gets much closer to beating Phoenix and she doesn't falsify documents.
42:34 Funny thing about that guard, if you examined him at that moment, you'd see that he IS sweating bullets and freaking out a little, so despite appearances, it's not like he doesn't care about what's happening.
looking back i swear nobody thinks to talk to the guard, maybe cause most people dont think to examine the visiting room since theres never a reason to. Also wouldnt be surprised if there was some confidentiality laws preventing the guard from speaking up, that maybe the police cant record audio in the room so the guard cant say anything as someone could claim its false testimony with no evidence to back it up.
@@Apolleh That's probably the case, given that Franziska showing a photo of Maya channeling Mia in the visiting room is technically inadmissible as evidence.
This case legit haunted me, just for how Adrian Andrews stands on the stand begging for help and someone to believe her, and the oppressive sense of helpless Phoenix felt in that situation. I remember playing it and being genuinely so terrified of fucking up because I was told I could get a bad ending I also do love that Phoenix doesn’t automatically forgive Edgeworth for what he did - Like, he legit thought he was DEAD for a year, because Edgeworth decided to be fucking dramatic in his resignation letter
Discovering the Great Ace Attorney first i was worried she wouldn't like the original series as much. Yet here she is absolutely screaming over Edgeworth 😂
Great Ace Attorney's greatest strength is that it brought new mechanics to a trial system that had been in desperate need of them for years. It's a breath of fresh air long time fans, and an enthralling Adventure for newcomers, but it's not so far ahead of the other games quality wise that the older entries become unpleasant by comparison. It's still more or less written by the same people, after all.
1:17:39 I’m glad you went with the Not Guilty at the end. Most people I’ve seen play this get worried that Adrian would get in trouble, if Matt was declared Not Guilty, forgetting that he wouldn’t want that verdict under any circumstance. It’s so cathartic to see him sweat, and I’m so glad you got to express that catharsis.
I think what's really fun about JFA is how unlike other ace attorney games there isn't a big grand mystery tying the whole game together, like sure there's the esgeworth and franziska sutff but they aren't really the same in the my eyes as like The DL-6 incident and Edgeworth's past and such. Really this game's main plot is more thematic, raising the question "what does being a lawyer mean to phoenix, and what extremes can be used to push him past his moral limits, to make him do things that make him quesiton his role". THis is foreshadowed in the first case too, where Willington outwards tells phoenix "You don't even know who you are". Sure yeah its referencing the amensia thing but it also foreshadows the thematic throughline of the game, in my opinion. Adding to this is phoenix ending up in situations where it looks really bad for his clients, or have him face foes who aren't screen chewing villains. Dr Grey is a very morally ambigious victim, and Mimi Miney is not the nastiest villain and its unclear which of the two had done wrong in the first palce prior to the murder. WHile a good guy at heart Max Galactica is a snobby jerk with a very scummy and weird crush, and Acro is outright the msot sympathetic murderer in the game but whose grudge can be seen as petty and foolish despite that. granted my reasoning here is a stretch but i do think there's somethign here about the cases planting seeds of doubt in phoenix's ability, especially now that he has a reliance on a magical power to literally see lies. and now we get this case, a case that not only answers what happened to edgeworth but also has phoenix face such an extreme situation he does things he normally wouldn't do because no all he cna think of is to win, ironically becoming more like what he accused prosecutors of being in his anger against edgeworth. He accuses an innocent woman of a crime she didn't commit, questions the evidence for no reason (though he does accidentally uncover some truths like the fake note) and tries his best to 'prove' matt engarde 'innocent'. For once the useless choices do matter cause they add to this, either having phoenix figure out clever solutions (asking franziska for help in finding gumshoe) or to answer the question the game posited: "what does being a lawyer mean to phoenix wright?". SO the final choices are pivotal cause they are the answer. If you decided that winning the case is more improtant than the truth and ensuring engarde is punished for his crimes, you choose "not guilty". If you decide all that matetrs is making sure the truth is known and the guilty party faces justice, you go with "guilty". It's jsut a really cool plotline. (also i always pikc "guilty", it feels more true to phoenix and his ideals and its really satisfying to see pheonix grin and smugly say "sorry, I can't defend an OBVIOUSLY guilty client" and then yous ee matt engard scream "guilty!?!?!" in disbelief at, despite everything he did, he still goes to jail and is still declared guilty)
Fun fact: In the second volume of the official Ace Attorney casebook, Phoenix says to Edgeworth: “Don’t tell me, Edgeworth. You love m…?” And Edgeworth only responds with: “…Don’t finish that sentence.”
agreed! it was so worth struggling through Turnabout Big Top in order to get to this part, feels like all the quality of the game was poured into this one case
That moment with Edgeworth going all-or-nothing with Adrian is, like, THE pivotal Edgeworth moment in this series. The sheer balls needed to confront a suicidal woman with, 'Oh, I'm sorry, I'm afraid I left all the fucks I give in my other cravat' on the stand like that... even I felt a little gay for him at that moment.
Franziska Von Karma has always been high on my list of antagonists way back when I first played this game, though for young me it was “cool character uses whip and is clever”. But the older I get the easier it is to see the game from her perspective and why she is the way she’s written. And as such she’s one of the few antagonists that’ve endured the test of time for me.
This case is genuinely amazing in so many ways. It broke so much ground and despite having a simple premise and a small cast, it managed to maintain tension the entire time. Edgeworth was brilliant here, and the development for the whole cast was amazing. While not being my favorite case, it definitely is worthy of being on that level
It's honestly so funny how Edgeworth shows up ready to be all noble and holier-than-thou and Phoenix has NONE OF IT because he's already dealing with WAY too much. I honestly wish Phoenix had punched him.
i have such mixed emotions about justice for all BUTTT i cannot deny how amazing this episode this, and this video helped me remember that underneath all the utterly horribly written romance of case 3 and other flaws, there is a STELLAR finale and i totally suppressed that memory
1:11:12 THIS MOMENT!!! This bit right here is why I love this case! The impossible choice, and how the game later flips it on it's head! It is INCREDIBLE!!!!
This entire case is probably my favorite case of all time. The whole reveal of Matt being an actual bad guy, Edgeworth's badassery and working together with Phoenix to bring Matt down, and the nail biting climax and conclusion? Best case. BEST.
Yeah... This case is the stuff of my dreams, and my nightmares. There's so much that these games prime you to not expect right? Things like "No one ever pleads the fifth" and "Your client is always Not Guilty" that are sort of just these few little rules of this world we're made to take for granted. The Matt Engarde Case set out with a mission to use the things we take for granted against us, and it was done EXPERTLY. This case is hands down the best stand alone case in the series. A lot of the best cases in this series are built on top of past cases in that same game. Case and Point, the final case of the 3rd game in the trilogy. The Matt Engarde case though... There's none of that, or if there is it's either strikingly little, or I've forgotten. Which the latter, if true, just goes to show how powerful the case is as a stand alone. If not for how much I love Godot as a prosecutor and character, on top of just how perfect the last case of the third game is as an ending to the trilogy itself... Yeah, if not for those elements I'd genuinely argue that this should have been the last case of the trilogy. That's how good this case is.😂
This case is very arguably the best case in the entire series. Personally, my favorite game in the Ace Attorney series is the third game, and in some ways my favorite case of the series is the final case in that game, in large part because of the way you build up to it throughout that game and even the previous games. It's a fitting way to end the Phoenix Wright trilogy. Of course I still completely understand anyone who prefers the final case from Justice for All. (That being said, I haven't played the second Investigations game, or anything Great Ace Attorney, or Spirit of Justice. So this doesn't take those into account.) It's also kind of funny, back when I first played the Ace Attorney games I wasn't interested in m/m ships and never paid attention to them and SOMEHOW missed the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS evidence that is the Phoenix/Miles ship. Experiencing the series again through Crystal or the Game Grumps I'm left wondering how younger me could have possibly failed to see the romantic tension between them. And, as a final personal opinion, while all the Ace Attorney game are amazing, I firmly maintain that Shu Takumi's greatest game is Ghost Trick. I can honestly say that I have never encountered another video game story as good and told as well as that one.
Edgeworth has never been less sexy than when he blatantly blackmails a woman in to testifying by threatening to reveal her mental health issues to the whole court.
I've been playing through these games alongside your streams and 2-4 is my all-time favorite across the trilogy. It feels like a season finale to Breaking Bad or something. Super high stakes and our characters are at odds with their moral compass.
The experience of playing this case was one of the most stressful experiences in any game I’ve ever played, and it’s in a visual novel. The feeling of helplessness induced when it turns out that your client is guilty and all you can do is buy time until Maya is found is something many games strive to achieve but never do. The character development is top-notch, too, and really does add a ton of depth to the cast. Justice for All may be a mixed bag of a game as a whole, but the final case really is the perfect conclusion for the second installment in the trilogy and brings a lot of meaning to the game’s name.
Investigations remaster and aai2 localization could not have come at a better time for you lol I'm so excited for you to meet the characters from those games, one of my favorite characters in the whole series is in aai2 also the edgeworth characterization is just *chef's kiss*, you're gonna have a great time
Be honest. How many of us saw the new "bellboy" and went "Oh fuck off, you're DEFINITELY a murderer." Interesting how the one who wears his scars proudly is innocent, while the one who hides them away is guilty, huh?
damn so crystaaahhhl just totally blanked on the bug Franziska used to track gumshoe's movements which could've helepd everyone find him when he crashed....
I love these videos sooooo much, the energy, the editing and Crystal is such a nice and fun person AAAAAA i'll share this until it hits a billion views ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
As metal as that would be, Engarde would never accept a Not Guilty verdict at that point. He’s smart enough to know the best way to survive as long as possible and die as painlessly as possible (Ace Attorney is a Death Penalty universe after all) is to accept the guilty verdict.
7:20 OKAYY!! I CONFESS!😭 I had to stop here and listen to "the winner takes it all" by ABBA (fits perfectly with them) because this reminded me of when my childhood friend whom I had a unrequited crush on made a suprise visit at my house after years of almost no contact. I renember how I felt like I was seeing a gost, feeling all of my surroundings dissolve and dissasociate for some min. It hurts to renember, and i'd even tell myself that the moment was a figment of my imagination, if not had been me drawing it.
In my opinion, it's okay if you decide to play the Investigations collection before the Apollo Justice trilogy, seeing as that's the chronological order.
You know, I feel like this 2nd game reminded me a lot of Yakuza: Infinite Wealth. I fell in love with Ichiban and his story in Yakuza 7, but even though gameplay-wise 8 was SOOOOOOO much better, I felt the game was... serviceable. It wasn't bad, by any means, it just wasn't up to the standard (in terms of story) set by 7. It's like how everyone shits on Dark Souls 2, but that's in the context of Souls games. If we compare that shit to any EA or Ubisoft titles, Dark Souls 2 would be a pretty good game xD
This case is my favorite for a few reasons 1: up to this point we learned over the whole game that Phoenix is suffering from depression he thinks Edgeworth has committed suicide and he thinks its because of himself for making Edgeworth think that he put dozens of innocent people in jail. He also had to run a law firm alone for a year while Maya was back home and he doesn't make much from it. And all of that comes out in this case because Maya is kidnapped and will be killed if he gets a guilty verdict but if he gets a not guilty a innocent person will go to jail so someones life will be over in someway no matter what he does. 2: matt is the perfect villain. He's a genius, after all he is a Puppet Master, everyone in the case is under his finger even if they don't know, even Edgeworth is being controlled by him, after all if a guilty verdict is made Maya will die. But of course everything has a weakness and the weakness for genius is paranoia and matt isn't anything if not paranoid, after all it's him being paranoid that makes him think De Killer will betray him and that leads to him betraying De Killer and their contact becoming null and void. 3: i feel like this case is what makes Phoenix a true ace attorney. Its the case where he realizes that being a lawyer doesn't mean winning all the time, it means finding the truth. And when both Maya and Adrian are in danger, one being killed if a guilty verdict is made, one going to jail if a not guilty verdict is made, he still doesn't give up no matter how much he may want to. He still pushes on to the end and finds a way to save them both and get matt a guilty verdict. Truly a ace attorney.
2-4 is easily one of the best cases in the whole series. Justice for All is worth playing just for this case alone, even if you have to trudge through Big Top to get to it.
BTW Chrystal, the Ace Attorney investigations games ( two Ace Attorney spin-off games that were originally released on tne DS and 3DS), are coming out as a Remastered collection on September 6th! Oh, and tbere's one tiny thing I almost forgot to mention...Edgeworth is the main protagonist! Can't wait to play tnem!
1:10 , 15:55 Me- YOU CANNOT BLOW UP MY HEAD WITH YOU MIND! 4:14 You should only show respect to someone when they show it to you. Treat others the way you want to be treated. 8:28 Worst thing to say about Maya 1:28 Pearl will ship Phoenix with anybody, will she? 16:05 , 17:22 "Wicked witch of the witness stand" and "burn old bags with fire". Sickest burns of the game 20:29 Frankenstein is totally bad, she whips you for no reason "The jokes write themselves". Ball jokes that are about sports balls will do that. 58:57 - 59:08 Where the law changes to suit the individual, not the other way round! 1:12:20 Objection! Manfred kept his bullet in his arm to avoid being found out, Frankenstein had hers removed for us. 1:24:10 Phoenix- For the last time! I'M NOT GAY!
From the first time I played this game on DS in middle school, something felt kind of off with this case. Now that I’m an adult and I’ve played through this case many times, I can finally articulate it: Juan Corrida shouldn’t have been lumped in with Matt Engarde, and he didn’t deserve to go out the way he did. I get that that’s kind of a hot take, so I’ll explain myself in the replies later, but I’m interested to see what other people think.
I kind of agree with you but at the same time I don’t. Matt absolutely went to a further extreme than Juan and Juan didn’t deserve to die, because human life is still a very precious thing. But the truth is that Juan cared more about his rivalry with Matt than anything else. He prioritized it over the woman he supposedly loved, cancelling their engagement the moment he hears that she is simply Matt’s leftovers. And then, when Celeste kill’s herself, he doesn’t come clean about anything. He instead forges a suicide note to use against Matt, once again not seeing Celeste as a person whom he loved, but instead as a tool for his own victory. Matt may be worse for resorting to murder and kidnapping, but it would be wrong to ignore the things that Juan has done as well.
@Coolbutrude I’ve tried to type out my essay of an explanation on my phone three times now, and each time I bump something and have to start all over😡😡😡 so I’m going to do this in pieces. First, the situation with Celeste, Matt, and Juan has always been too vague for my liking. What exactly did Matt “confess” to Juan? With how sadistic Matt is shown to be in this case, I feel like it’s likely that it was something worse than Celeste just being “Matt’s leftovers.” What did Juan say to Celeste when he called off the engagement? As far as I remember, we never get the specifics on that, so it’s hard to know exactly how wrong he was in that scenario.
@Coolbutrude Second, every source we have for the events leading up to, during, and after the suicide are either incomplete or comes from an unreliable narrator. Oldbag lives Juan way too much to lay any kind of blame on him, Powers’ info is 100% sourced from gossip, and all the police/Edgeworth knows for sure is that Juan was first to find the body and might’ve hid her suicide note (assuming she wrote one at all). Adrian is our biggest source of information about this whole affair. Most importantly, she’s the only source we have as to why Juan did what he did, and between her emotional attachment to Celeste and her own mental instability in relation to Celeste, I’m just not comfortable taking everything she says at face value (Admittedly, a good chunk of this is probably bias from my own lived experience. I’ve had and seen relationships and friendships get really nasty because people blindly trusted the word of the person who was the most “hurt” in the situation).
@Collbutrude Third, it rubs me the wrong way that, as far as I can tell, the only reason Adrian’s underhandedness and wrongdoing is looked on with understanding (to the point that we see her out of jail, living her best life, less than a year after this case) and Juan’s wrongdoing isn’t, is because Adrian is alive to tell us that her actions were done to defend Celeste’s dignity in death and/or to avenge her death, and Juan isn’t alive to explain himself at all. If you lay out Juan and Adrian’s actions side by side, they’re barely different. They both took advantage of someone’s death to get back at someone they thought deserved it by forging evidence at the scene of their death. If anything, Adrian’s is worse because she desecrated the corpse of the victim she found. They both conspired to ruin Matt’s career at the conference after the award ceremony, with Adrian doing the bulk of the work. If Adrian hadn’t asserted to Phoenix that Juan was only doing this for his own satisfaction, I feel like most players would assume he was doing it, at least in part, to avenge Celeste’s suicide. Hell, when the fake suicide note is read in court, and it says that Matt ruining her happiness twice is the reason Celeste killed herself, Adrian doesn’t raise a single objection to that narrative. She, the woman who hates Juan more than anyone else, believes that Celeste didn’t blame him. That’s really the biggest one for me. He never gets the benefit of the doubt about his motives because the only person available to speak on his motives hates his guts. (Again, something that hits kinda close to home for me.)
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I got second hand stress editing this, holy crap 😩
Thank you, Tosai “Fret” Furesawa from NEO The World Ends With You hit video game
Based fret
@@theinimitablejora522”hit video game”
"Play Ace Attorney" they said. "It's a funny game" they said
Then they produced the most stressful gaming experience for you.
honestly ? the moment edgeworth basically went "i do not care if you're suicidal i will get a testimony out of you" was INSANE
Edgeworth really gave ZERO fucks at that point. He was WILD!!!
“Bitch me to what’s your point-“
One of my favorite small details about this case is that Franziska got shot in the same shoulder as her father and reacted differently in the best way. It shows that she's not like her father in some of the best ways possible.
slight difference- she was not actually attempting to cover up a murder she committed.
@TheGreatSkenardo True, but the parallels are still really neat. In fact, the circumstances of them getting shot are also inversions of one another. Manfred got shot due to bad karma while Franziska was just doing her job.
@@Chaos_Vergil hehe, 'bad Karma'
@@merobiba413 I'm glad you liked what I did there
Using the magatama in such a clever way to trick you into believe that your client is "innocent" was BRILLIANT! First you never expect your client to be the culprit (evil guy) because through both games all until this one case every single one of your client was absolutely 100% innocent. The way they gaslight you into believing he was innocent was incredible! Because he did not murder the victim himself, he sended an assassin after him so of course the Magatama wouldn't detect a lie because he didn't murder anyone HIMSELF! And then the emotional rollercoaster of needing to defend this bad evil villain while fearing for Maya's safety! What a rollercoaster of emotions!
Yep, just one of so many amazing curveballs in this case
Strange. I felt like the very next game has changed that and Magatama should've detected if the target is trying to get away on a technicality.
@@ITAndroMedianit’s less about Matt trying to get away on a technicality and more that he genuinely believes what he said. He didn’t kill anyone, including Juan. Matt’s morals are just so twisted that he doesn’t feel like he spiritually hiding a secret when he says that.
"If you're going to say you would choose death, that is of no concern to me" is probably the heaviest hitting Edgeworth line
"I'll kms."
"okay but do it later, rn we're in court."
it's especially wild considering a year ago, _he_ was the one who "chose death" (even if it was fake)
26:19
I like how CrystAAHHL successfully gaslit herself into thinking Miles knew what was going on with Maya. XD
It was freaking hilarious if slightly stupid, in a good way.
There's a reason many fans of the series consider this the absolute best trial of all time. It's definitely up there as the most intense and stressful.
I love the constant back and forth between ‘I love Miles’ ‘I hate miles’ ‘I love Miles’ ‘I hate miles’ the true ace attorney experience
also 22:49: "FUCK YOU! ...later"
Miles didn't know about the situation with Maya, which implies that he's indeed sharp enough to understand that this case has more than meets the eye and he's willing to go along with Phoenix's bullshit to see where it goes, because for the first half of the case a lot of Phoenix's actions has been out of character. Miles "Boyfoe" Edgeworth has transcended verbal communications and now he's catching vibes
Ace Attorney 1: I cross examined a parrot!
Ace Attorney 2: Hold my beer! I cross examined a walkie talkie!
Objection! You should have said "Hold it!", not "Hold my beer"!
Ace Attorney 3: I cross-examined a ghost!
Uh, if he fall on that floor, let him go, gone
People ain't built for this page in my arc
All this Champagne put a stain on my heart
Don't pick him up, he ain't built for this part
If you wasn't here for them lows, walk
Blick on my hip and I'm dressed like a God
Labels like burners, just use 'em to toss
I take a shot and like Moses they part
Man, I can't tell what you mean (Huh)
Why does your black feel like business to me?
Industry lies never line up on screen (Facts)
Peggy keep scoring, I feel like the Dream
Yeah, what you want, ugh
Y'all love the fake, I've been real from the start
Never hesitate to shoot at a star
Stocked up on weapons and pussy and cars
Just thought you should know, ugh
Look at this lane that I made, it was vacant
These veggie grill people don't really want beef
Real people dying and fakers replace 'em
Now I see my DNA all in y'all beats
Talk, fakers just rap, don't back up what they talk
Pray for me, got so much smoke in my heart
Rap like I'm gifted and grew up on guard, yeah
Shorty want dick (What?), money, and leverage
One out of three, feel like three when I'm in it (Skrrt)
Peggy the G.O.A.T., more like the feds
As soon as you see me you know that it's finished
And, how can you tell that he's winnin'? (How?)
Floated right through the pandemic, no limits
Stunted creatively, don't got a vision
I die for my pride, you be hiding in gimmicks
Glock with a switch, turn a vegan to spinach (Brrt)
PM-50, we ain't beefin', you dinner
Turn a "I'll do it" right into "Who did it?"
Some you can't speak, you should just buy a ticket
Choke 'em to death with the smoke from this fye
Giving these alt fools hope when I die
Call up my mama then hang up the line (Bitch)
Money got me feelin' white like I'm Ty
Hawk!
When I go out tell 'em Peggy ain't give up, he fought, fuck 'em!
@@akiraikaray6752 Spoiler! But yeah is crazy how fast Ace Attorney goes with their cross-examinations!
@@Official_RetroMania not spoiler, she's on the 5th game already
This trial is also why I love Fransizka as a character!
A lot of people might say that it's kind of a cop out to have her be revealed as a "not that bad" person, but the truth of her breakdown is a lot heavier and sadder really.
Considering she's been in her father's shadow all her career up until going against Phoenix, when she in turn starts living in Miles's shadow she just can't catch a break!
At the begining all she's painted as is nothing but a copy of her dad, then she follows Miles's path completely which also frustrates her as she is not allowed by a single character to be her own person.
And then at the end when she's done with it all, Miles the only family she has left and the one person she's always looked up to telling her that he's ready to abandon her if she gives up.
What else does she have left but to cry her eyes out, her whole breakdown gives the message of "I never expected this to be so hard". I think all she ever really wanted was to stand in court side by side with Miles as equals, which they kinda do in the 3rd game i guess?
I do wish there was more of her tho, I know she's present in Edgeworth's games but an apearance in the mainline games where we get to see her become her as her own person would be amazing for her character!
I disagree with Edgeworth’s “this is where we part ways” being a “I’m ready to abandon you again.” It’s him saying “I will respect your decision to stop prosecuting if that’s what you want, but I will continue being a prosecutor.” Remember, he says “if you will no longer walk the prosecutor’s path, then this is where we part ways.” That’s not Edgeworth abandoning Franny. I mean he chased after her to have this conversation. It’s him giving her autonomy, giving her the space to be her own person. At least, that’s my interpretation.
@@MrLegendofLP Edgeworth did something that nobody else ever did. He gave her an option. That sudden freedom was probably too much for her to bear at the time.
@@MrLegendofLP agreed! it's telling her that he doesn't have expectations for what she's "supposed to" be, which is something she's never been told before
She's also a better lawyer than Edgeworth (at least certainly better than AA1 Edgeworth)! She gets much closer to beating Phoenix and she doesn't falsify documents.
@@pretsal4955 Edgeworth has never intentionally used false evidence.
You know that Miles Edgeworth is a one of kind lawyer if he can break the hot headed Franziska Von Karma to tears
Well yeah, he's the only man she never whips once (Until Investigations at least).
They are like brother and sister of course Edgeworth would know how to deal with Franziska.
Yeah idk if that has anything to do with his ability as a lawyer
Is it wrong to laugh at Franziska crying?
Yeah I think that was more Edgeworth the brother than Edgeworth the lawyer
42:34 Funny thing about that guard, if you examined him at that moment, you'd see that he IS sweating bullets and freaking out a little, so despite appearances, it's not like he doesn't care about what's happening.
looking back i swear nobody thinks to talk to the guard, maybe cause most people dont think to examine the visiting room since theres never a reason to.
Also wouldnt be surprised if there was some confidentiality laws preventing the guard from speaking up, that maybe the police cant record audio in the room so the guard cant say anything as someone could claim its false testimony with no evidence to back it up.
@@Apolleh That's probably the case, given that Franziska showing a photo of Maya channeling Mia in the visiting room is technically inadmissible as evidence.
@@Omeyrolx_theChessmasterWHAT IS YOUR PFP OMG
@@apollojustisnt Thank NicoB and his LP of Dual Destinies for it. X'D
This case legit haunted me, just for how Adrian Andrews stands on the stand begging for help and someone to believe her, and the oppressive sense of helpless Phoenix felt in that situation. I remember playing it and being genuinely so terrified of fucking up because I was told I could get a bad ending
I also do love that Phoenix doesn’t automatically forgive Edgeworth for what he did - Like, he legit thought he was DEAD for a year, because Edgeworth decided to be fucking dramatic in his resignation letter
This case doesn’t get enough credit for just HOW MUCH of a scumbag it makes you feel like. The entire time I just wanted to give Adrian a hug
Edgeworth returns from faking his death, sees Oldbag, immediately regrets it.
Discovering the Great Ace Attorney first i was worried she wouldn't like the original series as much.
Yet here she is absolutely screaming over Edgeworth 😂
Great Ace Attorney's greatest strength is that it brought new mechanics to a trial system that had been in desperate need of them for years. It's a breath of fresh air long time fans, and an enthralling Adventure for newcomers, but it's not so far ahead of the other games quality wise that the older entries become unpleasant by comparison. It's still more or less written by the same people, after all.
Edgeworth: Finally appears
CrystAAHHL: "It's been Eighty-four years"
i love the constant shifting of emotions whenever edgeworth is on screen "I love him, I HATE him, I LOVE him, I HATE HIM" XD
1:17:39 I’m glad you went with the Not Guilty at the end. Most people I’ve seen play this get worried that Adrian would get in trouble, if Matt was declared Not Guilty, forgetting that he wouldn’t want that verdict under any circumstance. It’s so cathartic to see him sweat, and I’m so glad you got to express that catharsis.
I think what's really fun about JFA is how unlike other ace attorney games there isn't a big grand mystery tying the whole game together, like sure there's the esgeworth and franziska sutff but they aren't really the same in the my eyes as like The DL-6 incident and Edgeworth's past and such. Really this game's main plot is more thematic, raising the question "what does being a lawyer mean to phoenix, and what extremes can be used to push him past his moral limits, to make him do things that make him quesiton his role".
THis is foreshadowed in the first case too, where Willington outwards tells phoenix "You don't even know who you are". Sure yeah its referencing the amensia thing but it also foreshadows the thematic throughline of the game, in my opinion.
Adding to this is phoenix ending up in situations where it looks really bad for his clients, or have him face foes who aren't screen chewing villains. Dr Grey is a very morally ambigious victim, and Mimi Miney is not the nastiest villain and its unclear which of the two had done wrong in the first palce prior to the murder. WHile a good guy at heart Max Galactica is a snobby jerk with a very scummy and weird crush, and Acro is outright the msot sympathetic murderer in the game but whose grudge can be seen as petty and foolish despite that. granted my reasoning here is a stretch but i do think there's somethign here about the cases planting seeds of doubt in phoenix's ability, especially now that he has a reliance on a magical power to literally see lies.
and now we get this case, a case that not only answers what happened to edgeworth but also has phoenix face such an extreme situation he does things he normally wouldn't do because no all he cna think of is to win, ironically becoming more like what he accused prosecutors of being in his anger against edgeworth. He accuses an innocent woman of a crime she didn't commit, questions the evidence for no reason (though he does accidentally uncover some truths like the fake note) and tries his best to 'prove' matt engarde 'innocent'.
For once the useless choices do matter cause they add to this, either having phoenix figure out clever solutions (asking franziska for help in finding gumshoe) or to answer the question the game posited: "what does being a lawyer mean to phoenix wright?". SO the final choices are pivotal cause they are the answer. If you decided that winning the case is more improtant than the truth and ensuring engarde is punished for his crimes, you choose "not guilty". If you decide all that matetrs is making sure the truth is known and the guilty party faces justice, you go with "guilty". It's jsut a really cool plotline.
(also i always pikc "guilty", it feels more true to phoenix and his ideals and its really satisfying to see pheonix grin and smugly say "sorry, I can't defend an OBVIOUSLY guilty client" and then yous ee matt engard scream "guilty!?!?!" in disbelief at, despite everything he did, he still goes to jail and is still declared guilty)
I like choosing Not Guilty because it makes Matt choose to plead guilty himself, really putting him on the spot. Fun to watch
Fun fact: In the second volume of the official Ace Attorney casebook, Phoenix says to Edgeworth:
“Don’t tell me, Edgeworth. You love m…?”
And Edgeworth only responds with:
“…Don’t finish that sentence.”
omg really? i gotta look that up now lol
I appreciate the writers' understanding that the hardest lines should always go to Edgeworth
Im my opinion this case ABSOLUTELY justifies this entire game! I loved case 2 and more Fey lore but this case is something else!
agreed! it was so worth struggling through Turnabout Big Top in order to get to this part, feels like all the quality of the game was poured into this one case
That moment with Edgeworth going all-or-nothing with Adrian is, like, THE pivotal Edgeworth moment in this series. The sheer balls needed to confront a suicidal woman with, 'Oh, I'm sorry, I'm afraid I left all the fucks I give in my other cravat' on the stand like that... even I felt a little gay for him at that moment.
God the Matt Engarde reveal never gets old
Franziska Von Karma has always been high on my list of antagonists way back when I first played this game, though for young me it was “cool character uses whip and is clever”. But the older I get the easier it is to see the game from her perspective and why she is the way she’s written. And as such she’s one of the few antagonists that’ve endured the test of time for me.
This case is genuinely amazing in so many ways. It broke so much ground and despite having a simple premise and a small cast, it managed to maintain tension the entire time. Edgeworth was brilliant here, and the development for the whole cast was amazing.
While not being my favorite case, it definitely is worthy of being on that level
The cut-in of your Direct reaction at 1:25:23 was absolutely perfect 🤌
It's honestly so funny how Edgeworth shows up ready to be all noble and holier-than-thou and Phoenix has NONE OF IT because he's already dealing with WAY too much. I honestly wish Phoenix had punched him.
A "TAKE THAT!" punch!
Pearl be sitting there during the hospital argument like "my gay dad's are fighting, what do i do?"
Thanks for having us on, it was so much fun!
You guys are so fun to do this with 😭😭😭 id love to hang out more, you're wonderful!!
i have such mixed emotions about justice for all BUTTT i cannot deny how amazing this episode this, and this video helped me remember that underneath all the utterly horribly written romance of case 3 and other flaws, there is a STELLAR finale and i totally suppressed that memory
6:29 BOYFRIEND!!! 😭😭😭
Process to enter all the emotional rollercoaster procedures🤣
45:17 I heard a cat! There can only possibly be one cat in this city!
Well, Matt is related to the case and has a cat so it's a safe assumption given the circumstances.
1:11:12 THIS MOMENT!!! This bit right here is why I love this case! The impossible choice, and how the game later flips it on it's head! It is INCREDIBLE!!!!
Can't wait for her to see homeless papa phoenix Wright
She’s already started DD on stream, VOD channel’s got what you want
She just finished Apollo Justice on VOD.
2-4 is the best case in the entire franchise, in my opinion. It's just so impactful and humanizing for all the characters. It's so damn good.
The trial where Miles went fully out of pocket on Andrews for no particular reason
4:49 bear puns give CrystAAHHL ptsd
She bearly got through them last time lol
@@killblade6it's unbearable
@@ActuallyMori beary unbearable
@@killblade6 how beary unbearlievably unbearable
kuma-n guys, you have to stop with these puns
I haven’t even played Ace Attorney but I’m loving these videos
41:43 the noise she makes here doesn't even sound humanly possible, yet it perfectly encapsulates what everyone felt right at this moment
This entire case is probably my favorite case of all time. The whole reveal of Matt being an actual bad guy, Edgeworth's badassery and working together with Phoenix to bring Matt down, and the nail biting climax and conclusion? Best case. BEST.
Yeah... This case is the stuff of my dreams, and my nightmares. There's so much that these games prime you to not expect right? Things like "No one ever pleads the fifth" and "Your client is always Not Guilty" that are sort of just these few little rules of this world we're made to take for granted.
The Matt Engarde Case set out with a mission to use the things we take for granted against us, and it was done EXPERTLY.
This case is hands down the best stand alone case in the series. A lot of the best cases in this series are built on top of past cases in that same game. Case and Point, the final case of the 3rd game in the trilogy. The Matt Engarde case though... There's none of that, or if there is it's either strikingly little, or I've forgotten. Which the latter, if true, just goes to show how powerful the case is as a stand alone.
If not for how much I love Godot as a prosecutor and character, on top of just how perfect the last case of the third game is as an ending to the trilogy itself... Yeah, if not for those elements I'd genuinely argue that this should have been the last case of the trilogy. That's how good this case is.😂
This case is very arguably the best case in the entire series. Personally, my favorite game in the Ace Attorney series is the third game, and in some ways my favorite case of the series is the final case in that game, in large part because of the way you build up to it throughout that game and even the previous games. It's a fitting way to end the Phoenix Wright trilogy. Of course I still completely understand anyone who prefers the final case from Justice for All. (That being said, I haven't played the second Investigations game, or anything Great Ace Attorney, or Spirit of Justice. So this doesn't take those into account.)
It's also kind of funny, back when I first played the Ace Attorney games I wasn't interested in m/m ships and never paid attention to them and SOMEHOW missed the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS evidence that is the Phoenix/Miles ship. Experiencing the series again through Crystal or the Game Grumps I'm left wondering how younger me could have possibly failed to see the romantic tension between them.
And, as a final personal opinion, while all the Ace Attorney game are amazing, I firmly maintain that Shu Takumi's greatest game is Ghost Trick. I can honestly say that I have never encountered another video game story as good and told as well as that one.
4:48 Look! You can see CrystAAHHL’s HP slowly decreasing with that joke…
Can’t wait for the reaction to the Edgeworth game collection dropping soon 🤣
Edgeworth has never been less sexy than when he blatantly blackmails a woman in to testifying by threatening to reveal her mental health issues to the whole court.
I've been playing through these games alongside your streams and 2-4 is my all-time favorite across the trilogy. It feels like a season finale to Breaking Bad or something. Super high stakes and our characters are at odds with their moral compass.
This is one of the best cases in the series, glad you enjoyed it so much!
Everyone about 2-4: It's one of the best Final cases ever!
Also 2-4 : EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!!!!
The experience of playing this case was one of the most stressful experiences in any game I’ve ever played, and it’s in a visual novel. The feeling of helplessness induced when it turns out that your client is guilty and all you can do is buy time until Maya is found is something many games strive to achieve but never do. The character development is top-notch, too, and really does add a ton of depth to the cast. Justice for All may be a mixed bag of a game as a whole, but the final case really is the perfect conclusion for the second installment in the trilogy and brings a lot of meaning to the game’s name.
"SEPTEMBER SIIII-"
LMAO
This is also my favorite case, I really love the absolute emotional Rollercoaster it takes you through!
Omg watching you play this felt like experiencing 2-4 for the first time all over again 😂 i'm so glad you enjoyed it!!!
1:19:32 THE SCREENSHOT OH MY GAWD
this entire case is extreme palpitation simulator. I felt fucking tired by the end in a good way
Edgeworth really pulling out a lowtiergod moment in that trial
Investigations remaster and aai2 localization could not have come at a better time for you lol
I'm so excited for you to meet the characters from those games, one of my favorite characters in the whole series is in aai2
also the edgeworth characterization is just *chef's kiss*, you're gonna have a great time
Be honest. How many of us saw the new "bellboy" and went "Oh fuck off, you're DEFINITELY a murderer."
Interesting how the one who wears his scars proudly is innocent, while the one who hides them away is guilty, huh?
Ahem.
Innocent?
@@bridgeseller7004 he gets away, so he's innocent enough!😂
damn so crystaaahhhl just totally blanked on the bug Franziska used to track gumshoe's movements which could've helepd everyone find him when he crashed....
This series is more juicy than any reality tv show I have ever seen or heard of my god.
I don't know why but watching this made me truly feel the hopelessness in 2-4. Literally on the brink of tears.
I love you, Justice for All, you will always have the lowest lows and the Highest Highs
I love these videos sooooo much, the energy, the editing and Crystal is such a nice and fun person AAAAAA i'll share this until it hits a billion views ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Wish you had experienced the 'bad ending' when presenting the last piece of evidence.
The miracle never happen.
I wish there was alternative ending where instead of him getting guilty, we see dekiller end him
As metal as that would be, Engarde would never accept a Not Guilty verdict at that point. He’s smart enough to know the best way to survive as long as possible and die as painlessly as possible (Ace Attorney is a Death Penalty universe after all) is to accept the guilty verdict.
7:20 OKAYY!! I CONFESS!😭 I had to stop here and listen to "the winner takes it all" by ABBA (fits perfectly with them) because this reminded me of when my childhood friend whom I had a unrequited crush on made a suprise visit at my house after years of almost no contact. I renember how I felt like I was seeing a gost, feeling all of my surroundings dissolve and dissasociate for some min. It hurts to renember, and i'd even tell myself that the moment was a figment of my imagination, if not had been me drawing it.
Its always a good day when crystaahhl posts ace Attorney
you know I kinda wish we got a De Killer in Great Ace Attorney. WOuld've been a fun callback. c:
Jack The Ripper being De Killer’s ancestor would had been wild…
6:32 that's the natural reaction when meeting Edgeworth jsyk
This is widely believed to be the first trilogys best case. It's a spectacular bit of drama.
SEPTEMBER SIIIXT- great comedy moment
In my opinion, it's okay if you decide to play the Investigations collection before the Apollo Justice trilogy, seeing as that's the chronological order.
She's already playing Dual Destinies now.
You know, I feel like this 2nd game reminded me a lot of Yakuza: Infinite Wealth. I fell in love with Ichiban and his story in Yakuza 7, but even though gameplay-wise 8 was SOOOOOOO much better, I felt the game was... serviceable. It wasn't bad, by any means, it just wasn't up to the standard (in terms of story) set by 7. It's like how everyone shits on Dark Souls 2, but that's in the context of Souls games. If we compare that shit to any EA or Ubisoft titles, Dark Souls 2 would be a pretty good game xD
Prepare to use this same title on 3-5
I know!!! That case is infinitely better!
She's already played 3-5 and this is still her favourite.
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Of the original trilogy or all the games she’s played so far?
@@adam-ed2pk shes literally playing dual destinies right now
@@adam-ed2pk The original trilogy, she's in the middle of Dual Destinies right now
Across the entire series this is still one of my absolute favorite cases, if not my actual favorite. For me it’s either this or 3-5.
This case is my favorite for a few reasons
1: up to this point we learned over the whole game that Phoenix is suffering from depression he thinks Edgeworth has committed suicide and he thinks its because of himself for making Edgeworth think that he put dozens of innocent people in jail. He also had to run a law firm alone for a year while Maya was back home and he doesn't make much from it. And all of that comes out in this case because Maya is kidnapped and will be killed if he gets a guilty verdict but if he gets a not guilty a innocent person will go to jail so someones life will be over in someway no matter what he does.
2: matt is the perfect villain. He's a genius, after all he is a Puppet Master, everyone in the case is under his finger even if they don't know, even Edgeworth is being controlled by him, after all if a guilty verdict is made Maya will die. But of course everything has a weakness and the weakness for genius is paranoia and matt isn't anything if not paranoid, after all it's him being paranoid that makes him think De Killer will betray him and that leads to him betraying De Killer and their contact becoming null and void.
3: i feel like this case is what makes Phoenix a true ace attorney. Its the case where he realizes that being a lawyer doesn't mean winning all the time, it means finding the truth. And when both Maya and Adrian are in danger, one being killed if a guilty verdict is made, one going to jail if a not guilty verdict is made, he still doesn't give up no matter how much he may want to. He still pushes on to the end and finds a way to save them both and get matt a guilty verdict. Truly a ace attorney.
20:28 Your face reminded me of Gant as you're pulling your hair right there
8:25 absolutely dead to me
1:25:20 How ironic that I'm watching this on september 6th...
I already watched the stream but I’m still going to watch this.
Although it is a tragedy that the art for Miles with the bear wasn’t included
The reaction to Edgeworth’s comeback is everything ❤
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone die of shock when Edgeworth appeared
I have been waiting for this!
5:00 FRET!!!!
2-4 is easily one of the best cases in the whole series. Justice for All is worth playing just for this case alone, even if you have to trudge through Big Top to get to it.
It was hard for me to focus on this case, I was way too worried about Maya.
I preordered Investigations Collection. I’m a little Edgeworth fanboy.
Maybe one day Crystahl will understand that phoenix and miles will never be more than friends xD
CrystAAHHL thirsting over Miles will never get old
BTW Chrystal, the Ace Attorney investigations games ( two Ace Attorney spin-off games that were originally released on tne DS and 3DS), are coming out as a Remastered collection on September 6th! Oh, and tbere's one tiny thing I almost forgot to mention...Edgeworth is the main protagonist! Can't wait to play tnem!
She watched the direct, she knows already lol
1:01:39 I suspect she already knows…
This case was so stressful and so good
Gotta love that fourth case
1:10 , 15:55 Me- YOU CANNOT BLOW UP MY HEAD WITH YOU MIND!
4:14 You should only show respect to someone when they show it to you. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
8:28 Worst thing to say about Maya
1:28 Pearl will ship Phoenix with anybody, will she?
16:05 , 17:22 "Wicked witch of the witness stand" and "burn old bags with fire". Sickest burns of the game
20:29 Frankenstein is totally bad, she whips you for no reason
"The jokes write themselves". Ball jokes that are about sports balls will do that.
58:57 - 59:08 Where the law changes to suit the individual, not the other way round!
1:12:20 Objection! Manfred kept his bullet in his arm to avoid being found out, Frankenstein had hers removed for us.
1:24:10 Phoenix- For the last time! I'M NOT GAY!
1:25:22 that was an amazing cut.
From the first time I played this game on DS in middle school, something felt kind of off with this case. Now that I’m an adult and I’ve played through this case many times, I can finally articulate it: Juan Corrida shouldn’t have been lumped in with Matt Engarde, and he didn’t deserve to go out the way he did. I get that that’s kind of a hot take, so I’ll explain myself in the replies later, but I’m interested to see what other people think.
I kind of agree with you but at the same time I don’t. Matt absolutely went to a further extreme than Juan and Juan didn’t deserve to die, because human life is still a very precious thing. But the truth is that Juan cared more about his rivalry with Matt than anything else. He prioritized it over the woman he supposedly loved, cancelling their engagement the moment he hears that she is simply Matt’s leftovers. And then, when Celeste kill’s herself, he doesn’t come clean about anything. He instead forges a suicide note to use against Matt, once again not seeing Celeste as a person whom he loved, but instead as a tool for his own victory. Matt may be worse for resorting to murder and kidnapping, but it would be wrong to ignore the things that Juan has done as well.
@Coolbutrude I’ve tried to type out my essay of an explanation on my phone three times now, and each time I bump something and have to start all over😡😡😡 so I’m going to do this in pieces.
First, the situation with Celeste, Matt, and Juan has always been too vague for my liking. What exactly did Matt “confess” to Juan? With how sadistic Matt is shown to be in this case, I feel like it’s likely that it was something worse than Celeste just being “Matt’s leftovers.” What did Juan say to Celeste when he called off the engagement? As far as I remember, we never get the specifics on that, so it’s hard to know exactly how wrong he was in that scenario.
@Coolbutrude
Second, every source we have for the events leading up to, during, and after the suicide are either incomplete or comes from an unreliable narrator. Oldbag lives Juan way too much to lay any kind of blame on him, Powers’ info is 100% sourced from gossip, and all the police/Edgeworth knows for sure is that Juan was first to find the body and might’ve hid her suicide note (assuming she wrote one at all). Adrian is our biggest source of information about this whole affair. Most importantly, she’s the only source we have as to why Juan did what he did, and between her emotional attachment to Celeste and her own mental instability in relation to Celeste, I’m just not comfortable taking everything she says at face value (Admittedly, a good chunk of this is probably bias from my own lived experience. I’ve had and seen relationships and friendships get really nasty because people blindly trusted the word of the person who was the most “hurt” in the situation).
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Third, it rubs me the wrong way that, as far as I can tell, the only reason Adrian’s underhandedness and wrongdoing is looked on with understanding (to the point that we see her out of jail, living her best life, less than a year after this case) and Juan’s wrongdoing isn’t, is because Adrian is alive to tell us that her actions were done to defend Celeste’s dignity in death and/or to avenge her death, and Juan isn’t alive to explain himself at all. If you lay out Juan and Adrian’s actions side by side, they’re barely different. They both took advantage of someone’s death to get back at someone they thought deserved it by forging evidence at the scene of their death. If anything, Adrian’s is worse because she desecrated the corpse of the victim she found. They both conspired to ruin Matt’s career at the conference after the award ceremony, with Adrian doing the bulk of the work. If Adrian hadn’t asserted to Phoenix that Juan was only doing this for his own satisfaction, I feel like most players would assume he was doing it, at least in part, to avenge Celeste’s suicide. Hell, when the fake suicide note is read in court, and it says that Matt ruining her happiness twice is the reason Celeste killed herself, Adrian doesn’t raise a single objection to that narrative. She, the woman who hates Juan more than anyone else, believes that Celeste didn’t blame him.
That’s really the biggest one for me. He never gets the benefit of the doubt about his motives because the only person available to speak on his motives hates his guts. (Again, something that hits kinda close to home for me.)
Lol thumbnail change to Shelly.
This game is mostly so mid but this case is such a master stroke.
1:24:06 That child doesn't know what BL is in 2002
SCHAFFRILAAS???????