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- Skeptical critics like Bart Ehrman argue that Luke wasn't a traveling companion with Paul. Here I draw from James Smith's book The Voyage and Shipwreck of Saint Paul. By a minute analysis of the text of Acts, a very careful comparison with other descriptions of Mediterranean shipwrecks by Josephus and Lucian, and by a wide range of nautical information about prevailing winds, soundings, and coastlines, Smith shows that Luke’s account of the voyage and the shipwreck bears numerous marks of authenticity.
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I often run into non-Christians who say that someone can be accurate without being authentic. But it's data like this that shows why it's much less plausible to consider the author of Acts to be an inauthentic companion of Paul. At this point, it is just a lot easier to trust his testimony. If the only thing holding you back from trusting the author of Luke and Acts is the fact that he presents things from a perspective that assumes a reality that includes the supernatural, then you're gonna have a tough time trusting pretty much ANY ancient witness.
The sceptics can still take a view that Luke wasn't an authentic companion of Paul, but that his source for this particular story was. But every time they're confronted with evidence like this their case for Luke being an unreliable historian gets substantially weaker.
@@stephengray1344 That's true. But the fact that apparently even ancient books on geography were in some ways more faulty than the landlubber Luke (or his source) certainly shows that it would have been extremely difficult to fake such precise information about sailing detail and travelling distances, even assuming that the author would have had access to one of these geography books (it's not that books were cheap and plentiful for everyone in the 1st century ).
@@stephengray1344 Also, once you've granted that the story comes from a traveling companion of Paul, you've given away the store and it's just petty stubbornness to continue denying that Luke was that companion.
@@ianb483 Well quite. It makes it really difficult to deny the historicity of the "we" passages. I was just pointing out that making this admission doesn't necessarily force them to admit that anything else in Luke-Acts is based on direct accounts from eyewitnesses.
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Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He even says if you keep my commandments then you shall abide in my love (John 15:10).i
Studying Acts was a real turning point when I began to abandon my atheism. I had read the Bible while I was enlisted and had a lot of free time and even during my time with Freedom From Religion Foundation (which seems to only hound on 1 religion and seems cool with indigenous beliefs when confrontations occur) and supporting Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris.
What started to bother me was their feigning ignorance and gaslight style when it came to mocking Biblical text (but always respecting other religions not Judeo-Christian or Judeo-Christian Adjacent and rarely do they smash on Jews to avoid Anti-Semitism accusations unless they have a secular Jew to fight that battle) the more problems they presented the more I'd investigate and now here I am. No longer a cynical atheist, I'm still skeptical and researching every day but I'm no longer convinced (as Dillahunty like to say)
Yeah bro check out “the Bible extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence” here on YT it’s the best thing to build your faith outside of a miraculous encounter with god. I was a king atheist as well always confronting crisitians back in elementary and middle school then I just gave god a chance and I kept getting more and more of my objections answered. Now I know that god is truely good. My favorite story in the Bible is Jonah where god relented of a cities destruction bc the people there repented. He had promised Jonah he would destroy it but he broke his promise out of mercy. That means on judgement day a lot of people will be saved by nercy even though they should technically be in hell. I believe all good people go to heaven and all bad people go to hell until they become good.
Jesus is yearning for your heart, come to Him and you will find peace.
What is actually so hard about saying a few words, “Jesus I believe you are the Son of God”? Man you are working way too hard for something way too easy lol. Literally nothing is required of you to simply just believe, and so be saved. Jesus already finished all the work, we don’t need to do anything but to believe. (And btw I’m not saying go sin up a storm, but that it’s not necessary to salvation to change ur life)
They also found the first century anchors that were dropped - exactly where Luke said they’d be in Acts. They are now in the museum at Malta.
Thanks to your channel I am learning that defending the Bible is not quick or easy, but it is doable
You can do it!
So, Luke get right:
Weather details
Obscure geography
Obscure sailing techniques
The Location of cities in Asia Minor and the respective pagan cults of each
The travel times of the trips of Paul
Obscure historical events about minor Characters (Priscila and Aquila)
Stuff that could have only verify if he was there or if he had direct access to the people who were there. Luke is not making things up in the book of Acts. If we can trust him to be so accurate for that book we should trust him even more in the first part, the gospel.
Ask Holy Spirit to teach you and to guide
you. I would recommend the TH-cam channel Cleveland street preachers and follow Jesus no man no religion. Be holy and obey Jesus. Hebrews 5:9 "salvation is for those who obey.
Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He even says if you keep my commandments then you shall abide in my love (John 15:10). B
@@connorlancaster7541 Religion comes from the Latin "Religare" or to be bound, by faith we are bound to Jesus. Jesus established a Religion, the one and Only true one.
@@xunqianbaidu6917 Why are you behaving so dishonestly? There was a lot more here than just "obscure geography."
Narrator: *except it was not basic stuff*
I read an article last year which said that two first-century anchors were recovered off the coast of Malta very close to where Paul's shipwreck took place. The archeologist said it was at least plausible that they came from the Biblical shipwreck.
Ask Holy Spirit to teach you and to guide
you. I would recommend the TH-cam channel Cleveland street preachers and follow Jesus no man no religion. Be holy and obey Jesus. Hebrews 5:9 "salvation is for those who obey.
Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He even says if you keep my commandments then you shall abide in my love (John 15:10).d
@@connorlancaster7541 Yeah man being baptized in the holy spirit and speaking in tongues as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 14 is how God will interpret the scriptures for us and lead us what to do and how to live.
@@sabhishek9289 Amen praise the lord. Do you need any prayer?
One of the greatest archaeologists of all time, Sir William Ramsay, didn’t think Luke was very accurate. In fact, he traveled throughout Asia Minor, Greece, and other places during the late 1800’s and early 1900’s in an attempt to refute Luke’s historical records in the Book of Acts.
Before his travels he believed that Luke couldn’t have been very accurate because of a lack of archaeological evidence to support Luke’s claims. Ramsay, after years of study, found the exact opposite to be true, and he completely reversed his position. In fact, Ramsay went on to comment: “Luke is an historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy, he is possessed of the true historic sense … in short, this author should be placed along with the greatest of historians.”
I cant remember if Ive commented before but thank you for your work. I use your stuff trying to evangelize people on social media and it is just such a blessing to have so much high quality apologetic work on a range of topics as you have brought together.
Nice presentation.
Glad you liked it
At some point we have to wonder if some scholars are more interested in making a name for themselves and justifying their time, positions and expenses than they are in the truth. Being controversial is as good as being popular in attracring followers, money or status. If they want to be taken serious they have to start being critical of their own thinking rather than allow others to make them look shallow and dishonest.
Thanks
I am convinced. Acts is realible.
Awesome. Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching!
Thank you, brother
Ehrman... man - that guy has very little appreciation of history - none really, I suppose.
If we can't do history - we can't do anything. Everything just stops...
Kind regards Kim
Great video! 11/10
I don’t understand that the Gospels were fragments until the four century, how was Paul letters complete?
Hi! I was wondering if you could please credit the Bible translation? The phone plan I have doesn't let me transmit/use/ect. content that infringes any intellectual property rights including moral rights. They likely didn't have simply watching videos with minor infringements in mind, but idk...
Also at 3:50, are those pictures from a source that requires credit?
By the way, I love your channel!! Your videos are fast and effective and interesting and beautifully logical! One of my favorite apologetic channels at the moment!☆
It's from freebibleimages.com
They are royalty free. I think I was quoting the NASB 95 edition.
@@TestifyApologetics Most people don't give credit to the translation but they probably should. The translators ask for that on the title page. Blueletterbible makes it easy to copy the verses with references included. Their copy function is pretty good for this. Great video btw!
New Testament scholars and theologians like to chip away at the inerrant word of God in order to give the illusion that they’re knowledge and opinions matter.
Where do you get this stuff?
I'm familiar with these older works from listening to Tim McGrew.
Nice!
I guess a skeptic might be tempted to counter with the “Spider-Man Fallacy”, but actually it would probably take a very nerdy, obsessed writer to try and get all this detail correct for the sake of a fictional story.
Right, it would be really difficult to bring the Spider-Man fallacy in here and make it work with the level of detail here.
This is like “Spider-Man fallacy”, but it’s a LA writer in the 60’s giving you the exact rundown on how much spidey paid for his specific pizza order and then the exact time it would take for him to make it to the Statue of Liberty swinging at a constant speed of 30 miles per hour.
@@whatsinaname691 and without Google or the library!
This shipwreck happened on Mljet (an island in the Adriatic Sea) and not on Malta, because in the past there were venomous snakes on Mljet. Malta has never had venomous snakes.
Remember, Paul was bitten by a venomous snake there. I would like you to correct that mistake.
God bless you!
@@Makaneek5060 Thanks for the information, but it can still be debated whether it was on Mljet or Malta as both islands shared the same name on Roman maps at the time.
2000 years is a pretty great distance of time, it seems there is at least one type of venomous snake there presently and even if there wasn't, it's not implausible that they could go extinct over the course of 2 millennia. I don't think Smith made a mistake.
@@TestifyApologetics Thanks for the answer, but the theory that it happened on Mljet is still convincing to me.
Sure. Is the viper the only reason?
Interesting
Hey Testify,
Would you do a video on the date Galatians was written? There have been many theories on the subject but it gets confusing. Some people say that galatians was written during the great famine of Claudius (mid forties ad), therefore 3 years and 14 years of paul, date before the crucifixtion around thirty-ish ad. Some date it to the late fifties ad in relations to Romans. We also don't know when the council of jerusalem really was.
I could look into it, sure.
That would be interesting. Topic came up while I was reading a paper from Academia named "did pontius pilate order the crucifixtion of jesus" on the concensus that galatians was written during the famine during the reighn of Claudius (45-48 ad), and how from that date adding paul years since his conversion would add to a date even before pontius pilate was governing Judea. I just found it a topic of interest because there are many things surrounding it we don't know.
Thanks for this!
Sure thing!
Very interesting! I have heard Bart Ehrman argue that the gospels were written long after the disciples had died and it was all secondhand. My argument always comes back to this: Luke 20: Jesus predicts Rome destroying Israel. Now..if the writers of the gospels recorded the events hundreds of years later...they would have recorded when Rome destroyed Jerusalem....yet they never mention this once! This proves the gospels were written very early when the disciples were still alive and from eyewitness accounts before A.D. 70. If the early writers were trying to spread "fake accounts," why didn't they write about Rome being destroyed in AD 70 and reminding the reader that Jesus predicted it around A.D. 33? If they were simply making this up..they would have made the puzzles fit, which proves, there was no ill intent or deceit. The gospels were authentically written from eyewitness accounts.
Great video! Keep up the good work.
Your proof sounds like the argument from ignorance. Asking why something would or wouldn't have happened is not proof of anything.
@@junodonatus4906 It's ignorant to assume that if the gospels were written after the fall of Jerusalem...they wouldn't have even mentioned it anywhere, which is safe to assume..they were all written before the event. That is a major event...they certainly would not have ignored.
Furthermore...the evidence puts the some of the gospels within 10 years of the death of Jesus...so..there you go.
@@rocketeightyseven1823 Ask @Testify what he thinks about arguments from silence.
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I'm not sure what evidence puts the Gospels at within 10 years of the supposed lifetime of Christ. Furthermore I have heard that there were many Gospels in circulation and the ones that came down to us were selected for political purposes. I'm not sure that any of this concludes that a Jesus walked the Earth.
@@junodonatus4906 The fragment I am referring to is named Oxyrchynchus Papyrus.It's the earliest known recording of the Gospel of Mark, which has been debated on whether it was written around A.D.50, A.D.100, A.D 150, or A.D 250.
I thought it originally said 10. years..I may have misspoke. I will keep digging. Either way...this could be 17 years from the time of Jesus.
I bring this up because we have ancient text describing a man named Jesus in Israel from eyewitness accounts, yet many scoff at the notion or question the historicity of Jesus, yet in comparison to other historical figures, the Gospel of Mark was written earlier to the events it's describing.
Alexander the Great is one example to prove this point. Hardly anyone debates Alexander the Great history, but the earliest recorded texts of Alexander were written 400 years after his death.
So..Gospel of Mark-written possibly around A.D 50...17 years after the events.Questioned?
Alexander the Great-written 400 years after events, Not Questioned? Why?
Political purposes? The Council of Nicea was simply settling disputes within the church about the divinity of Jesus Christ. Many were going around debating the issue with whether Jesus was divine or if He wasn't. The church wanted to tackle this head on.
Many of the books were chosen because they were consistent. There are many gospels, but contradict the other books. Example: If the four gospels put the first miracle of Jesus at a wedding, but one out lier has Jesus healing a dead bird at age 12...it's safe to assume the wedding miracle was more accurate.
In the end..many question Nicea as "politically motivated," but a lot of that is assumption from a world view based mainly from assumptions on religion in general.
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Just because he was real doesn’t mean he is credible. Look at Mohammed.