*hnuhh* On a serious note though and as an EV/battery engineer the efficiency tells me that the Ioniq 5 isn't a fully optimised product (the first vehicles on a new platform rarely are), and I'd wait for a Gen 2 version.
I would turn that question on its head. Why would you pay a premium price for the Ioniq 5 when it both cold-gates and rapid-gates (see Bjorn Nyland’s Ioniq 5 1000 km challenge)? What is the point of a vehicle that cannot reliably deliver on long journeys?
How is the Kona EV in the snow? Debating between the fwd Kona and rwd Ioniq 5 SEL since it’s about the same with markups. Want to swing for Ioniq AWD but not sure it’s worth it for extra $3000 + less range
Metro Vancouver Kona owner here. I love my 2022 Kona so much. Granted, it's my first EV, but it's unequivocally the best car I've ever owned, hands down (small trunk aside). The first thing we did after buying it was replace the OEM tires with some all-weather (NOT all-seasons) that were designed for EVs. The difference in traction was immediate and noticeable - and when putting our foot down the car is actually able to deliver on its own torque.
My wife and I bought a Kona EV back in August. We had the opportunity to see the Ioniq 5 at the dealer. My wife didn't like its appearance. I didn't like its price tag.
I can assure you… the wife DID like the appearance but needs an excuse for not wanting to spend the extra cash. Same goes for you, but at least you are being honest.
4 mos later +how feel about the kona? It's for my son.. He is mostly solo driver.. But bigger guy. He drives a kia soul now thinking this similar on size? Likely very rare to have a back seat rider... So thinking the number will be much better on kona.. But if closer to the ioniq might be worth little more. They don't even sell these in our state so finding one to actually even seeley alone test drive nearly impossible
Just bought a (demonstrator) Kona 64kwatt, my second, which tells you what I think of the car. Got to sit in an Ioniq 5 and it does feel more spacious and more classy, but the price difference here (in Italy) is even greater than in the UK, and so it was no contest for me. The Kona has more than enough zip, a really comfortable feel to it, and that brilliant range (I'm told they've squeezed an extra 20 miles out of it through the cunning use of different wheels!). Admittedly it's smaller, but we don't need any more space ourselves. I remain a huge fan, and didn't really see much in this new wave of electric cars to tempt me away.
Hello We have ordered a Kona 64kwatt in Pulse Red and cannot wait to get it. Can I ask, how do they drive in the snow, that’s if you have, that is. ? We have test driven it and was very impressed with it. Really looking forward to getting it. The range, I’m told and reading is very good. Looking at the miles we do and what we spend on fuel, we shall be saving around £1200 a year, so good news all round. Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Thank you 🙏👍👍
@@ianwebsell6097 I'm sure the car will do you handsomely. I can't say I remember ever driving mine in snow. The earlier Kona was quite liable to wheelspin (though never as bad as some of the reviewers liked to make out), but this later model that I now have doesn't seem quite as likely to, so Hyundai may have done something about that. I did drive our old Nissan Leaf in the snow a couple of times, without much problem. I must admit (reluctantly), that driving in snow might possibly be one of the very rare occasions where an electric car isn't completely superior to an old ICE. As for range, comfort, efficiency and zip, you couldn't do better at the price, for my money. Enjoy!
Similar thoughts.. 4 mos later +how feel about the kona? It's for my son.. He is mostly solo driver.. But bigger guy. He drives a kia soul now thinking this similar on size? Likely very rare to have a back seat rider... So thinking the number will be much better on kona.. But if closer to the ioniq might be worth little more. They don't even sell these in our state so finding one to actually even seeley alone test drive nearly impossible
✋ Kona owner right here. Imho don’t think size different that small between them, quite happy with compact dimensions of our car within urban drive and range on long stretches. One key aspect missing in the video, charging curve of Kona, particularly during in winter, does not feel 2022, AT ALL, whereas ioniq 5 has 800V platform.
Another Kona owner here. The Kona is a bit of a compromise to me but overall I decided it's the best price value vehicle for my needs. Funny that you mention the charging curve during winter - the ioniq 5 does have issues here which need to be resolved. Unless you're driving really fast (180km/h) to preheat the batterypack the ioniq5 only draws like 60kW peak until the very end.
I need to be able to reach for tactile buttons while I'm watching the road. I want these buttons to work 100% of the time. I want door handles that don't rely on electricity. I want the door open function to work 100% of the time. I'd pick Kona any day. If you need more space in the back, the Kia Niro has it. I wish car companies wouldn't all copy Tesla's form over function design choices. Why not use EV architecture with intuitive, safer, and more reliable controls? Especially if these companies want to get serious about making EVs mainstream.
I saw an entry level spec ioniq5 the other day and the door handles although flush with door still operated manually. Fancy electric ones maybe an option on pricier models
I have a 2021 Kona and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. It has great range, excellent engineering and tech, and looks decent enough (and let’s face it, it was never intended to turn heads). That said, I’m seriously jonesing for the Ioniq 5, mostly because of its design and the incredible charging speed (infrastructure allowing). But fact is, I’m sticking with my Kona for all the sensible reasons I bought it in the first place. At least for now…
2 years later -- my dog said eihh (woof ) & just bought < 20K miles , 300 mile range Kona for £17K , UK main dealer price ! thank you the law of depreciation. great Video🐕
I have the 2021 Kona ev. I had to decide between it and the Ioniq 5 back in the summer when I ordered a new ev. At the time the 5 was still an unknown in terms of delivery and price. The Kona was a fully known and I could take immediate delivery. Although I am the first to admit the Kona is much nicer looking I’m very happy with the Kona. It’s comfortable, very efficient ( average 475 klms per charge, 7.5 klm/kWh) and very easy to park and drive. I’m a senior lady who very seldom has anyone else in the car so it has plenty of room for me and my stuff. And it’s very zippy 😁
I'm on the Kona N and will probably switch it for the ev later on. Two big bummers for me are the horrid turn radius and the reflector LED headlights that aren't that great. I wish it used an LED projector, I could at least upgrade them somewhat easily if they weren't good.
To me these two cars are built to suite different types of customer. The Kona is smaller, cheaper and has a good range. It is a bit like an EV version of the Ford Focus - a decent all-rounder of a car that will get you where you need to be with minimal fuss. The Ioniq is larger and more stylish (possibly more akin to the Ford Mondeo) as it is a large family sized car that will get you there with greater comfort but at a greater cost. I could see someone like me going for the Kona as someone who does fast food deliveries. The lower cost, smaller size (making finding parking spaces easier) while having a decent range makes these good for someone like me, especially as I don't generally have passengers. The Ioniq would probably better suite a family man or a company rep who sometimes has to provide transport to colleagues.
@@stephanhellmuth8083No, you can't drive it through puddles or in the rain, as the battery isn't waterproof. It doesn't have a spare wheel or jack, so you will be stranded and have to abandon the car and walk if you have a puncture. Citroen are much better cars and a lot more reliable. The range of the Citroen is about double the Hyundai's.
HMG do tend to compete against themselves, the product positioning is a challenge. I say that as having owned an e-Niro since March 2019 and had a good look over the Ioniq 5 I still think the Niro is the right size for our needs. I looked at the Kona but the back seat room was cramped and the boot noticeably smaller than the e-Niro. I have had over 6 foot people who tell me the e-Niro has plenty of leg and headroom in the back. More space is always better says Jack, well not if you’re negotiating some of the very narrow roads in European cities. It’s a difficult one but it will be interesting to see how HMG use the EGMP platform in sub Ioniq 5/EV6 sized cars.
This is possibly the best car review/comparison I have found. You did not bash either car or endlessly praise them as others do. You told us the clear differences and the basic facts as few others do. Basically, someone wanting an EV to drive the family and needs the space and wants the refinements get the Ionic 5. If you don't need the space or refinements, basically looking for a basic commute car to work, buy the Kona EV. BUT, if you are looking for a fun-to-drive car, buy something else. This is the first time I have found your channel. I am subscribing and hope your other videos are as good.
When I was buying my 3rd BEV 2 years ago I looked at the Kona, one glance at the lack of space in the rear instantly convinced me to buy a Renault Zoe. I'm now on my 2nd Zoe. Bjorn Nyland's banana box test shows the Zoe has more room inside.
Not many review videos get me to slow clap IRL. Not only did this video cover every question I had coming in, it also caught all of the "yeah but" questions as he was talking. Well done.
The Ionic 5 is very futuristic in appearance, but my being a 73 year old ex sports car racer, I would opt for the Kona with analog gauges, greater range and somewhat less civilized. Still, a very good comparison Jack. Thanks!
I test drove the Ionic 5 a few weeks ago. Ultimately we decided not to order and my teenage son advised me to stick with my five year old A6 Avant! Two main reasons - 1) the front interior is nice enough, but in the back it is super basic and all brittle hard plastic, 2) the rear headroom, whilst clearly plenty enough for Jack in the video, was insufficient for my 6ft 2in son - who easily sits for a couple of hours in the back of the Audi. The outlaws have a Kona and love it. Certainly they are also seeing the massive range in their day to day driving.
I really wanted the Ioniq 5 for the longest time, but recently learned about the Kona and Im highly preferring it to the Ioniq. Its mostly due to the fact that this would be my first car purchase so I want it to be more on the affordable side. Ioniq 5 is cool, but the price is a lot. Kona is cheaper and not a lot of electric cars offer the same tech specs as the kona at its price point. I think i will go with the Kona as my first car and EV purchase! :D
Happy to be driving my 3 year old 72000 mile kona. Nothing has gone wrong, and plenty of space for 1 or 2 people including big ebike and camping kit. So reliable, low running costs, and lots of buttons. For me the enyak will probably be the next choice having faster charging, and towing ability. Who know if the ioniq4 will fit the bill?
@@chargingabout enyaq more efficient than the others? They are all big heavy cars and rarely does anyone consistently need all the space. Hopefully the new Niro will have a better charging speeds, might be a sweet spot of space vs efficiency
Interesting to see your thoughts on the pair Jack. We used our Kona to holiday deep into France late this summer. Returning from South of Geneva, we got home n one hit on the autoroute, c. 800 miles, using IONITY chargers. Each comfort stop was about 25 mins or so. I had a P45 Ioniq on order, and test drove an Ioniq 5 (4 x drive). It’s lack of efficiency meant the continental trip would not have worked, b cause you couldn’t have hit the IONITY or any other HPC’s to get back in a day. My daughter took the P45 because she could live with the lack of range. Efficiency is King. PS want a bigger boot? Just take the polystyrene and rubbish out of the Kona and you have something that works far better.
@@greengecko1876 Another Kona! One part of the trip was especially impressive. We overnighted in Chamonix and then drove down to ours, a drive of just over 200 miles. Now I'll admit that overall it's downhill from the Alps to the sea, and I was taking it easy - 65mph. But the car was heavily laden and I arrived with 100 miles still on the clock. I was seriously impressed. I live in Italy now and had to change the car because of Brexit. There was a great opportunity for a demonstrator Kona with only about 1500 miles on the clock and a vast discount compared to new, so I jumped at that. It's supposed to have an extra 20 miles of range thanks to a change of wheels, but apart from some cosmetic stuff (front nose) it isn't vastly different. The dashboard is revamped but I wouldn't call it better. just different! I'd have no hesitation in making the trip to the UK in it. Ionity are only expanding.
@@davidhamishwill367 great to hear. I am always surprised with what you can get in the Kona, after the mods I made removing the polystyrene in the boot. Record is a trip to IKEA, 1 flat pack set of bunk beds, with a 2m x2m set of shelving plus a large easy chair (high backed) with other bits a pieces. Cycles and other luggage, no problem. We have a e-Niro as well, which I am am considering changing for a Model Y, but I’m not sure.
@@greengecko1876 It's interesting that you also have the Eniro. So leaving aside the issue of space (which doesn't matter to us) how would you compare it with the Kona in terms of zip, range and comfort/convenience at the wheel? TESLA: When I was looking at the Kona the other shortlisted car was a recent secondhand TESLA 3 long range. IN the end it came down to an extra 80 miles of range (real world) for between 10-15,000 euros more - for me it wasn't worth it.
The comparison I'm keen to see is the newly revamped Niro coming next year vs the Ioniq 5 & EV 6. I'm sure the latter two are better, but the question is *how much* better for the difference in price.
@Richard Wood I think there's a case to be made for cars this size, in that families really can use the space. But it is disappointing that this segment gets the attention /priority and they haven't made a compact car equivalent.
@Richard Wood oh I do for sure wish proper estates/wagons would be the family car type being offered in EV form. No sign of getting anything like that in North America though. That's a whole other topic. (I think Europe has an MG EV estate though?)
One thing to note, the long range Ioniq and the 4wd version can tow up to 1,600 kg braked trailer. The standard car is restricted to 750 kg. That's a medium sized caravan or pretty reasonable boat. Range will nearly halve though. Very few BEV car reviews consider towing capacity. Pity the Ioniq is so relatively inefficient.
Just taken delivery of a Kona today. For me, the Ioniq 5 is a bit too big, and not everyone needs a huge amount of boot or other space. The Kona's boot is quite a bit bigger than that of the Suzuki Swift I traded-in...
First thing I did with my Kona EV back in 2019 was take out the weird soundproofing / spacefilling foam that takes up 1/2 the boot. I kept it, assuming I'd put it back after the heavily-loaded summer cottage trips. But no, I never really wanted it again. :)
Hmm…the ioniq 5 is half a metre longer and it is taller and wider too. That’s quite a lot. Kona was doing 320 miles in summer and currently 240-265. I was easily getting 5miles per kwh and now 4.1.
What I was going to say. Add 400mm+ to that legroom and boot, and... Yeah it's going to feel bigger! I can't fit the 5 in my garage. I can fit the Kona 😉
Nice review, as somebody who has had both the first generation Kona electric and now the current version have top say Hyundai have a winner here. The Ionic is just too big for everyday use by a one passenger occupancy and what a range I get 300 miles per charge without too many problems
I löve my Kona EV. Use 1.54 kWh per km in the summer and 1.56 kWh in winter. I use it as a single person 80% of the time. 2 person's not a problem and about 5% with my grandchildren 3 person's. Love the "old car and button" feel. Love the cozy environment. Tried the Ionic 5, but thought it to big for me and too pricy. Get about 400 +/- km in summertime in one session. (420 with e+) I have a lease car and thinking of Ionic 6 or the new prolonged Kona EV 24. I agree with you, Hyundai has taken me with storm the last years. Especially with the increase of quality. Thanks for a good show.
Thank you for the nice video! I wish the presenter would use kilometer. It's a real bummer having to do calculations to SI units oneself as those are what 99% of countries worldwide use. At least they should be displayed. Especially miles per kWh is quite hard to understand if one is used to kWh/km oder kWh/100km. Thanks and keep up the great work!
I’m British but at 48 years old grew up well after Imperial units were replaced with metric, how old do I have to be before the media start using metric??
The UK, Australia and USA use miles. It is a British video and he is speaking English so of course he uses miles. Not hard to do the conversion, or go watch a French video.
Just ordered the IONIQ5 premium. Test drive the Tesla 3 and was disappointedly underwhelmed. Speed was amazing, everything else really average. I’m an 80’s child and so had to get the IONIQ5 because that’s what future cars looked like in my dreams
Kona owner here. My previous car was a Ford Fiesta, so seeing people refer to the Kona as "compact" still blows my mind. He's a thicc boi in a parking space, that's for sure. Yeah, the boot is a bit cramped, but even at 6ft3 I can get a comfortable car full of people if I jack the seat up. Also the acceleration never gets old and that range confidence is undeniable. At the price of a 64Kw, it's just a perfect car for anyone (without kids) who wants to jump into EVs for the first time. At the very least, it'll tide me over until 2024, at which point the EV landscape will be absolutely mental with good options.
The boot on the Kona in North America has a feature where the floor can be reset (easily. One handed) lowering it 4-5 inches. This feature would probably have solved your demo on the bags transfer. It lowers the floor if the rear seat is up- raise it and you have a nearly flat floor with the rear seat folded down.
Please use the standard efficiency units! Or at least say both of them? 2 miles per kWh/ 256 Wh per kilometer. It will greatly improve the range of your public (as in the whole metric world ;)
I remember I saw Ioniq5 recently in supermarket parking lot 2 weeks ago in Germany. I was walking by and suddenly thought oh wow what’s that! Sharp lines huge hugeeee car and then it hit me…. That’s ioniq5 and looks the same as a concept :O. I’m used to seeing Teslas and I love them but this really grabbed my attention.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As you mentioned, weight & efficiency is very disappointing. I was very excited when the Kona EV was introduced with a 64kWh battery, 162 Wh/km and 395km real range. It was a very good option at that time. The new Ioniq 5 has ~73kWh: 2WD: 189 Wh/km, 385 km AWD: 194 Wh/km, 375 km How can this be exciting? I hope Megane e-tech EV60 will be a better option. If not priced competitively, Tesla 3 will be a clear winner for me.
Agree, for my taste the range of Ioniq 5 is just not good enough for traveling around Europe to this date. Just saw test drive with Megane, seem to be same issue, highway test reported 25kWh/100 km, i.e. 240 km range 😭
Very important to some people, and totally irrelevant to others! Agree it should have been mentioned. Kona EV: 74 kW max DC fast charge vs. Ionic 5 ~220 kW max DC fast charge. Lets keep in mind that most people do 90-99% of their charging much slower (and cheaper!) than a DCFC.
I loved the Kona EV when I test drove it. I liked the Ioniq 5 but not as much to drive. But the Kona boot is ridiculously tiny! If it had the movable back seats like the Ioniq 5 to create extra boot space I would have gone for the Kona. But your review of thd Kona back seats maybe demonstrated the reason Kona dont have this feature 😅😂 I need to put a wheelchair in the boot abc would need to fold two seats, with zero space left. I've held off as I couldn't afford the I5 but now the used ones have come down in price. Looking for a used I5 with a battery conditioning option, which isn't standard until 23 edits. Disability access wise the electric tail gate is neat but that button really shouldn't be at standing height 🤦🏻♀️
The Kona is a bit of a thug. Jack really has a way with words, and I fully agree with his assertion. I've had my Kona for 15 months now and just love it.
Great review Jack - I loved the way you spelt out that it was NOT a direct comparison - something which irritates me when other channels compare a £35000 car with a £56000 car (Tesla Y in mind - yes, they are the best but please include a price comparison too chaps). But I have an ioniq5 and it’s fantastic. I reckon driving sensibly I get 3.8miles/kwHr. And that’s on Dartmoor with temperatures 2-10 DegC. Not sure how you were driving Jack but when you calculated the range I think you might have actually agreed with me….just such a great car. For the first time in goodness knows how long I just want to go out for a drive!
Huihh! Replaced a much loved 2003 Cooper S with a 2014 i3 REX, whilst main car is 2.4 diesel XC60. Neither myself or partner want to drive the Volvo anymore, and so we just ordered Ionic 5 through NHS Salary Sacrifice scheme. We are blown away by electric driving experience and savings.
I loved the design of the Ioniq 5 but it’s way to large for my needs, I love the kona size but the design in and out leaves me cold and the ice underpinning very disappointing, I’ve read that Hyundai are fast forwarding the next model releases with an Ioniq 3 or 4 due in 2023, if it’s an Ioniq 5 styled Kona sized car on a dedicated EV platform with fast charging I’d be very interested in replacing my Ford Focus then.
It's a pity Jack can't get it into his head that one car is much bigger than the other. He even says that one is 300mm longer at one point(wrong) but doesn't seem to realise that THAT could be the reason for one having a bigger boot capacity and more leg room in the back than the other...
The ionic 5 would be amazing if it be the size of the 80’s hot hatches it tries to emulate. I loved it till I saw it in real life - it simply makes no sense that car makers go bigger with EV’s just like they do with ICE. Whatever they are doing it’s certainly not how a sustainable future would look like.
The Kona's ICE underpinning was about Hyundai being cautious, but the Kona was originally designed to have an EV version, as shown by the fact that the e-Kona body is a few centimetres higher than ICE versions, providing space for the batteries. Probably the right move at the time, and the resultant sales of this gen-2 EV have allowed for the development of the gen-3 Ioniq 5.
This may well be the first time that a Fully Charged video almost felt like a run-of-the-mill car review waffle aimed at making any car on "review" look good. I mean, with all due respect, suggesting one should buy a larger car (about 300 kg difference, as far as I understand), if one can afford it, just because it's nicer, is not what FC is about. However, it is exactly what pretty much every single car channel out there is about :/ It's what most of car buyers are about. That''s why we are getting these countless "SUV"s and a car like Kona is now openly called "small" or "sub-compact", which is insane. Who cares if this is an EV? It's still large and energy inefficient. With that said, of course, if you have a family of five and are dragging them with you wherever you go, Ioniq 5 is a no brainer. However, just imho, driving something like this daily and alone in the city is not much better in terms of sustainability than driving a small five year old diesel.
As an Ioniq owner for last 2 years.. Range efficiency is everything in Scotland. Loved the Ioniq 5 on test but the lease cost per month was more than double the KonaE. EV6 and MachE even more so. Same range. So for us it was a no brainier, £ went with the Kona. Ioniq 5 feels like a big SUV (in a good way). KonaE was the lowest lease cost 250-300 mile EV on market and beats the Ioniq 5. Even cheaper than ID3. Don’t have kids and rear seats barely get used. Look forward to the next gen in a couple of years. Hope they do a big motor base Ioniq for more range as it averages above 4 kw efficiency. I would say dash materials of Ioniq 5 felt cheap compared to our humble Ioniq. The cost of recycling. Ioniq 5 probably the best design on market right now.
i got a 2021 kona ultimate for 42k. very happy with it. did a 300 mile road trip with 1 dc fast charge stop. easy peasy. i do not have a small herd of 6'2+ people to tote around so there's that. i also was able to fit a 24 inch diswasher in the back of the kona with the seats down so the "boot" is more than adequate unless you need an 8 foot pickup bed. then get a pickup.
With our first baby now over 9 months old and planning to have two more, we have just ordered a 2022 Ioniq 5 Dynamiq RWD. Finding an EV SUV that would be comfortable and fast to charge, have the range for country living and long car trips in Australia AND would fit potentially 3 child seats in the back plus pram and luggage, it was really a toss-up for us between the Tesla Model Y and the Ioniq 5. The Kona would be too small for us. I'm so excited -- it's not only our first EV (after everyone I spoke to told us to get a hybrid as the charger network in Australia is still barely out of its infancy....we didn't listen) it's also our first new car after decades of driving old ones. We will be taking it through its paces on a big road trip at Christmas and praying we don't have to wait hours to use the fast chargers on the highway. Now to get the Zappi solar-aware charger installed at home....
Size strikes me as the most significant issue. For many, especially city dwellers, the Ioniq 5 is perhaps more car than they want. It would be nice to see a Kona-sized vehicle on an EV platform. Like almost everyone I was a huge fan of the Ioniq 5's design when it first appeared - 'what the ID4 should have looked like!'. I still haven't seen one in the flesh, but I sometimes think that it would be a great design for a car the size of the Golf, but that for a large car perhaps it doesn't work so well? Looking forward to actually seeing one.
You have done a great job comparing these two vehicles and it still makes it a tough choice for me based on how inefficient the Ioniq5 is. It's unfair to compare it to a model 3 though given the distinct lack of headroom in the rear seats of the model 3 and yet the model y is considerably more expensive and seems to be less comfortable due to stiff suspension. Decisions, decisions!!
Great video however as a Hyundai ioniq 5 73kwh owner I need to correct you on stats. Kona 64 kwh is usable Ioniq 5 73kwh only 65kwh usable. Auto regen can do wonders to the range so 300 or more can be achieved on a full charge despite a boxy shape. Looking forward to ypur nect video and hope to meet you in person at a fully charge show
Fundamentally, I look at it this way. The Kona/e-Niro is a smaller car, the Ioniq 5/EV6 is a larger car. Hyundai/Kia have doubled down on this, using the Ioniq 5/EV6 as their flagship EV model (at least until the Ioniq 6 and Ioniq 7/EV9 come out) while the Kona/e-Niro is a less glamourous, more utilitarian car. I lament that all the best electric technology is going into 'flagship' models, and modestly-sized, modestly-priced but still competently-equipped vehicles are dropping off the electric menu (I am so glad the Vauxhall Corsa-e/Peugeot e-208 is still a thing), but I hope SK ON's work on LFP batteries will push Hyundai/Kia to develop a dedicated platform for lower-spec vehicles, like the VW MEB-entry platform or the RNM CMF-BEV. Until then, the Kona/e-Niro is smaller and more affordable, the Ioniq 5/EV6 is larger and more premium. And I suspect the Kona/e-Niro will have more market traction...
We love our KONA, but agree, the "stock" tires that come with the KONA are noisy ... we swapped them out for some Pirelli tires and it was night a day difference in road noise and handling. Visually I still prefer the looks of the KONA, but the little extra roomy "feel" in Ioniq 5 sounds tempting. You had the KONA passenger front seat all the way back when you climbed in ... it's not that small back there.
Regarding seat position - for both cars, he was showing what it was like to sit behind himself... he's a tall / lanky fella, which means in smaller cars the driving seat will be all the way back - and that in turn will emphasise the lack of rear seat space / overall interior space.
We have both. I traded up from a Kona to a P45. I agree it is a lot more civilised but I still miss my Kona. My wife stuck with her Kona. She loves the car and feels the Ioniq is too big. My main issue with the Kona is the 3-phase OBC problem which makes using a smart charger with it a pain. My main gripe with the Ioniq is the omission of a rear wiper. One hint of drizzle and the rear window goes opaque. It was obvious that there was going to be an issue there when the early Korean bloggers spun the 'slots in the rear wing will keep it clear' - which they patently don't. The Kona is a great car but sadly the Ioniq 5 is more of a great looking car. (economy, silly door handles, poor DAB radio, less comfortable seats than the Kona, unfinished software - bugs...) maybe it was a bit rushed.
Like all cars, it depends on your needs. Living in a city -- Kona is the way to go. I have a large car now and looking for a smaller car. I test drove the Ioniq. Amazingly luxurious ride, but a tad too big for me. I'm impressed with Hyundai overall. Never considered this brand before now.
Ioniq28 to Kona64 is great upgrade. New Ioniq5 and EV6 are too big, too heavy ruining efficiency and over priced. Old shape 2020 Kona Premium SE for the win as it has a VESS button all new cars don't.
Somehow, in Canada, the Kona EV and the Ionic 5 are just $1000 difference ($43,899 vs $44,999) for the base model. If the Kona were $7,000 less I would jump at it.
My wife and I wanted to get on the list to buy an Ioniq, but they are booked for 3 years here in Victoria Canada! But a 2019 Kona was available, so we bought it instead.
What's surprising to me is the ground up EV is bested by the compromised ICE platform when it comes to efficiency. The ioniq 5 doesn't deserve the name. My Ioniq 38kwh has averaged 4.7 miles per kw over the last 22 months.
I have just purchased an KONA HYBRED 2 weeks ago, won't get her for about 5 months, didn't want a full electric no where to charge them. THE HYBRED WILL charge herself, I have got the hipeck model. Got a good deal from DALEYS GARAGE FALLS ROAD BELFAST. Now just waiting. I am driving a kona at present and I love her. Winifred Thompson. Lisburn. Northern Ireland.
With all the reviews online there seem to be a overlooked problem with these buttons to close the boot. It is this. I am confined to a wheelchair and I get in and out of the car alone. So if I opened one of these electric boots/hatchback I would not be able to close it. As I love your channel I hope that you consider this problem as you review cars in the future and MAYBE the manufactures will get the point. The amount of wheelchair users that drive alone is larger than people think. I really do like all the content that you make and I especially joy all the none car videos too.
it would be nice to see future revisions of the Kona become more native EV and use skateboard architecture and also be a little larger size overall.. also move charging port to side somewhere as it looks like a blemish at the front.. otherwise its very good.. the overall appearance is great and doesnt come across like its trying too hard.. i like that its simple inside with many real buttons rather than try and make everything a tablet interface. screens are great for some stuff but not everything IMO... i also like the center panel with the armrest, drive controls, drink holders etc.. and area underneath for storage is great.. that stuff is legacy design but its effective and doesnt need to change i dont think..
just curious, is the other (original) ioniq EV still a thing or has that been retired now? by all acounts that was also an efficiency expert too albeit with a smaller battery.
great review - getting the kona would prefer the Ioniq 5 - dont have the quite substantial amount needed. waiting time in May 2022 for the Kona - November !!!
We've just gone for a Kona Premium long range. I did want an eNiro trim 2 long range but I waited just too long and they are not available now. An Ionic 5 is a bus compared to the Kona. They are in different car classes and I accept from different eras but the Kona will do for two adults with occasional camping trips, weekends away, 200 mile round trips to visit family, etc. all that we need in terms of comfort and safety. And, given that the driver is only 5'4" tall there will be plenty of space for an average sized passenger behind them. In five years we might want to upgrade to something newer and more expensive but then, if the car is still running well and doing what we need, why would we? It's a car, not a status symbol.
Interesting comparison. There is definitely a need for smaller a smaller ev especially for in city use. Personally I own a Niro EV while I wait for my EV6, which I chose over the Kona simply because of more space in the back. I've taken all 4 of us on a 350km road trip in comfort.
I love 99% about the Ioniq 5, but its inefficiency marks it down to a "not recommended" for me. The worst part about it is that it's the technical platform for many models to come that similarly will be very inefficient.
yeah the fast charging speeds dont matter that much when A - you get cold gated and cant achieve them and B - waste that advantage in inefficiency over the journey
I just got my Kona EV 2022 Ultimate trim (Canada) and I love it, the only odd thing is, it does not have a 12V accessory plug in the back hatch like my 2012 Tucson.
I rented an Ioniq 5 to drive around for a couple of days. I really liked it, but I was left feeling like they still didn't quite get the user interface. (Things like "On the heated seats screen, you can adjust the heat with sliders, but nothing happens when you tap the big image of the seat.") I also thought it was about 6 centimeters too wide and 10 or more too long. But the car is really comfortable to sit in, and the Heads Up Display made me realize I never want to buy a new car without a HUD. Everything should have a HUD.
I had the original Ioniq hybrid, which had a really low drag coefficient, so why can't Hyundai design a similar pure EV. Big cars with high drag just waste expensive energy!
Totally different cars! A barge or a small hatch. An efficient low impact car or inefficient bus? Fiesta or Granada? EVs are not unpolluting, the tyre, disc, dust etc, those PM2.5-10s are worse with these bigger less efficient models. Brilliant rapid charging on the Ioniq on all of those super chargers that don’t exist. Wish they’d just put a 64kWh battery in the original Ioniq to be honest. Longest range Hyundai……. is still the Kona! And I’ve been in all of them as I’m looking to replace our 38 Ioniq, I wanted to like the I5 but it’s just too vast.
I think the Ionic 5 is a really pivotal vehicle in the race to build the perfect EV. It’s design is bold, great range and great charge times - a real game changer. Tesla who?
Is there still a place for the Kona in an Ioniq world? Tell us what you think below..
hope so ive just ordered one lol
*hnuhh*
On a serious note though and as an EV/battery engineer the efficiency tells me that the Ioniq 5 isn't a fully optimised product (the first vehicles on a new platform rarely are), and I'd wait for a Gen 2 version.
I would turn that question on its head. Why would you pay a premium price for the Ioniq 5 when it both cold-gates and rapid-gates (see Bjorn Nyland’s Ioniq 5 1000 km challenge)? What is the point of a vehicle that cannot reliably deliver on long journeys?
I think so I love the Blue thug, and I am so impressed with Hyundai and Kia. And. More to Come there unstoppable
Did anyone want the model T when Ford rolled out the V8 model A?
After two and half years with my Kona in northern Québec's varying climate, I can say unequivocally I love it.
Which model year is your car?
Good to know. I'm in northern Ontario, so your comment is relatable to me
How is the Kona EV in the snow? Debating between the fwd Kona and rwd Ioniq 5 SEL since it’s about the same with markups. Want to swing for Ioniq AWD but not sure it’s worth it for extra $3000 + less range
Metro Vancouver Kona owner here. I love my 2022 Kona so much. Granted, it's my first EV, but it's unequivocally the best car I've ever owned, hands down (small trunk aside).
The first thing we did after buying it was replace the OEM tires with some all-weather (NOT all-seasons) that were designed for EVs. The difference in traction was immediate and noticeable - and when putting our foot down the car is actually able to deliver on its own torque.
My wife and I bought a Kona EV back in August. We had the opportunity to see the Ioniq 5 at the dealer. My wife didn't like its appearance. I didn't like its price tag.
ummmmm ok
Good reasons!
I can assure you… the wife DID like the appearance but needs an excuse for not wanting to spend the extra cash. Same goes for you, but at least you are being honest.
4 mos later +how feel about the kona? It's for my son.. He is mostly solo driver.. But bigger guy. He drives a kia soul now thinking this similar on size? Likely very rare to have a back seat rider... So thinking the number will be much better on kona.. But if closer to the ioniq might be worth little more. They don't even sell these in our state so finding one to actually even seeley alone test drive nearly impossible
@@jimradcliff9350 we are loving the car! But it's not very spacious inside, I'm not a big guy and it feels a little "claustrophobic" sometimes.
My brain says Kona, my heart says ioniq 5 and my bank account says I can't afford neither
With a 2 or 3 year old Kona coming in at about £13k...
Just bought a (demonstrator) Kona 64kwatt, my second, which tells you what I think of the car. Got to sit in an Ioniq 5 and it does feel more spacious and more classy, but the price difference here (in Italy) is even greater than in the UK, and so it was no contest for me. The Kona has more than enough zip, a really comfortable feel to it, and that brilliant range (I'm told they've squeezed an extra 20 miles out of it through the cunning use of different wheels!). Admittedly it's smaller, but we don't need any more space ourselves. I remain a huge fan, and didn't really see much in this new wave of electric cars to tempt me away.
The range and efficiency of the Kona is ridiculous. Enjoy!
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We have ordered a Kona 64kwatt in Pulse Red and cannot wait to get it. Can I ask, how do they drive in the snow, that’s if you have, that is. ?
We have test driven it and was very impressed with it. Really looking forward to getting it. The range, I’m told and reading is very good. Looking at the miles we do and what we spend on fuel, we shall be saving around £1200 a year, so good news all round.
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Thank you 🙏👍👍
@@ianwebsell6097 I'm sure the car will do you handsomely. I can't say I remember ever driving mine in snow. The earlier Kona was quite liable to wheelspin (though never as bad as some of the reviewers liked to make out), but this later model that I now have doesn't seem quite as likely to, so Hyundai may have done something about that. I did drive our old Nissan Leaf in the snow a couple of times, without much problem. I must admit (reluctantly), that driving in snow might possibly be one of the very rare occasions where an electric car isn't completely superior to an old ICE.
As for range, comfort, efficiency and zip, you couldn't do better at the price, for my money. Enjoy!
Similar thoughts..
4 mos later +how feel about the kona? It's for my son.. He is mostly solo driver.. But bigger guy. He drives a kia soul now thinking this similar on size? Likely very rare to have a back seat rider... So thinking the number will be much better on kona.. But if closer to the ioniq might be worth little more. They don't even sell these in our state so finding one to actually even seeley alone test drive nearly impossible
I'd take the Kona. The Ioniq is too big and almost 25% more expensive. Kona has great range, looks nice enough and is a great car.
1k oe 2% difference in Canada, no contest
30 cms too big?
✋ Kona owner right here. Imho don’t think size different that small between them, quite happy with compact dimensions of our car within urban drive and range on long stretches.
One key aspect missing in the video, charging curve of Kona, particularly during in winter, does not feel 2022, AT ALL, whereas ioniq 5 has 800V platform.
Another Kona owner here. The Kona is a bit of a compromise to me but overall I decided it's the best price value vehicle for my needs. Funny that you mention the charging curve during winter - the ioniq 5 does have issues here which need to be resolved. Unless you're driving really fast (180km/h) to preheat the batterypack the ioniq5 only draws like 60kW peak until the very end.
I need to be able to reach for tactile buttons while I'm watching the road. I want these buttons to work 100% of the time. I want door handles that don't rely on electricity. I want the door open function to work 100% of the time. I'd pick Kona any day. If you need more space in the back, the Kia Niro has it.
I wish car companies wouldn't all copy Tesla's form over function design choices. Why not use EV architecture with intuitive, safer, and more reliable controls? Especially if these companies want to get serious about making EVs mainstream.
Too true!
Even when your gas struts holding the boot lid open fail you can still use it.
Try using it when the motor has failed...
I saw an entry level spec ioniq5 the other day and the door handles although flush with door still operated manually. Fancy electric ones maybe an option on pricier models
I will still look forward to my Ioniq 5 red when it arrives:)
I have a 2021 Kona and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. It has great range, excellent engineering and tech, and looks decent enough (and let’s face it, it was never intended to turn heads). That said, I’m seriously jonesing for the Ioniq 5, mostly because of its design and the incredible charging speed (infrastructure allowing). But fact is, I’m sticking with my Kona for all the sensible reasons I bought it in the first place. At least for now…
2 years later -- my dog said eihh (woof ) & just bought < 20K miles , 300 mile range Kona for £17K , UK main dealer price ! thank you the law of depreciation. great Video🐕
I have the 2021 Kona ev. I had to decide between it and the Ioniq 5 back in the summer when I ordered a new ev.
At the time the 5 was still an unknown in terms of delivery and price. The Kona was a fully known and I could take immediate delivery.
Although I am the first to admit the Kona is much nicer looking I’m very happy with the Kona.
It’s comfortable, very efficient ( average 475 klms per charge, 7.5 klm/kWh) and very easy to park and drive.
I’m a senior lady who very seldom has anyone else in the car so it has plenty of room for me and my stuff.
And it’s very zippy 😁
I'm on the Kona N and will probably switch it for the ev later on. Two big bummers for me are the horrid turn radius and the reflector LED headlights that aren't that great. I wish it used an LED projector, I could at least upgrade them somewhat easily if they weren't good.
Huh!
Actually, this is a really enjoyable video review for those considering their first EV. Go for it!
To me these two cars are built to suite different types of customer. The Kona is smaller, cheaper and has a good range. It is a bit like an EV version of the Ford Focus - a decent all-rounder of a car that will get you where you need to be with minimal fuss. The Ioniq is larger and more stylish (possibly more akin to the Ford Mondeo) as it is a large family sized car that will get you there with greater comfort but at a greater cost. I could see someone like me going for the Kona as someone who does fast food deliveries. The lower cost, smaller size (making finding parking spaces easier) while having a decent range makes these good for someone like me, especially as I don't generally have passengers. The Ioniq would probably better suite a family man or a company rep who sometimes has to provide transport to colleagues.
Can they drive through puddles?
Do they have a spare wheel.
How does it compare to the ec3,( citreon)?
@@stephanhellmuth8083No, you can't drive it through puddles or in the rain, as the battery isn't waterproof. It doesn't have a spare wheel or jack, so you will be stranded and have to abandon the car and walk if you have a puncture. Citroen are much better cars and a lot more reliable. The range of the Citroen is about double the Hyundai's.
HMG do tend to compete against themselves, the product positioning is a challenge. I say that as having owned an e-Niro since March 2019 and had a good look over the Ioniq 5 I still think the Niro is the right size for our needs. I looked at the Kona but the back seat room was cramped and the boot noticeably smaller than the e-Niro. I have had over 6 foot people who tell me the e-Niro has plenty of leg and headroom in the back. More space is always better says Jack, well not if you’re negotiating some of the very narrow roads in European cities. It’s a difficult one but it will be interesting to see how HMG use the EGMP platform in sub Ioniq 5/EV6 sized cars.
This is possibly the best car review/comparison I have found. You did not bash either car or endlessly praise them as others do. You told us the clear differences and the basic facts as few others do. Basically, someone wanting an EV to drive the family and needs the space and wants the refinements get the Ionic 5. If you don't need the space or refinements, basically looking for a basic commute car to work, buy the Kona EV. BUT, if you are looking for a fun-to-drive car, buy something else.
This is the first time I have found your channel. I am subscribing and hope your other videos are as good.
When I was buying my 3rd BEV 2 years ago I looked at the Kona, one glance at the lack of space in the rear instantly convinced me to buy a Renault Zoe. I'm now on my 2nd Zoe. Bjorn Nyland's banana box test shows the Zoe has more room inside.
Not many review videos get me to slow clap IRL. Not only did this video cover every question I had coming in, it also caught all of the "yeah but" questions as he was talking. Well done.
The Ionic 5 is very futuristic in appearance, but my being a 73 year old ex sports car racer, I would opt for the Kona with analog gauges, greater range and somewhat less civilized. Still, a very good comparison Jack. Thanks!
I test drove the Ionic 5 a few weeks ago. Ultimately we decided not to order and my teenage son advised me to stick with my five year old A6 Avant! Two main reasons - 1) the front interior is nice enough, but in the back it is super basic and all brittle hard plastic, 2) the rear headroom, whilst clearly plenty enough for Jack in the video, was insufficient for my 6ft 2in son - who easily sits for a couple of hours in the back of the Audi.
The outlaws have a Kona and love it. Certainly they are also seeing the massive range in their day to day driving.
Great to see a bit of love for the Kona again. Great comparison and useful if you are trying to choose a Hyundai EV.
I really wanted the Ioniq 5 for the longest time, but recently learned about the Kona and Im highly preferring it to the Ioniq. Its mostly due to the fact that this would be my first car purchase so I want it to be more on the affordable side. Ioniq 5 is cool, but the price is a lot. Kona is cheaper and not a lot of electric cars offer the same tech specs as the kona at its price point. I think i will go with the Kona as my first car and EV purchase! :D
Damn having that car as a first car must be awesome! Hope you get it!
First fully charged video with a lovely change of pace with a bit of d&b intro music to start off the ambiance. Lovely.
been waiting 6 months for my kona to turn up. my first ev. Cant wait
Happy to be driving my 3 year old 72000 mile kona. Nothing has gone wrong, and plenty of space for 1 or 2 people including big ebike and camping kit. So reliable, low running costs, and lots of buttons. For me the enyak will probably be the next choice having faster charging, and towing ability. Who know if the ioniq4 will fit the bill?
But the ioniq 5 and ev6 will have competitive boot space with the enyaq and even quicker charging.
@@Lewis_Standing and that's the connumdrum! Charging speed Vs efficiency. Buying price Vs charging cost
@@chargingabout enyaq more efficient than the others? They are all big heavy cars and rarely does anyone consistently need all the space.
Hopefully the new Niro will have a better charging speeds, might be a sweet spot of space vs efficiency
I'll tell you what, your video reviews are becoming the best there is these days so well done you!
Yes, that ionic is a good looker!
Good fair comparison. Kona still holding its own although it's clear to see the benefits of starting on the right platform.
Interesting to see your thoughts on the pair Jack. We used our Kona to holiday deep into France late this summer. Returning from South of Geneva, we got home n one hit on the autoroute, c. 800 miles, using IONITY chargers. Each comfort stop was about 25 mins or so.
I had a P45 Ioniq on order, and test drove an Ioniq 5 (4 x drive). It’s lack of efficiency meant the continental trip would not have worked, b cause you couldn’t have hit the IONITY or any other HPC’s to get back in a day.
My daughter took the P45 because she could live with the lack of range.
Efficiency is King.
PS want a bigger boot? Just take the polystyrene and rubbish out of the Kona and you have something that works far better.
I agree. I drove my old Kona electric to Italy (Genoa) using Ionity - no problem at all at 75mph.
@@davidhamishwill367 good to hear of your trip as well. What do you drive now?
@@greengecko1876 Another Kona! One part of the trip was especially impressive. We overnighted in Chamonix and then drove down to ours, a drive of just over 200 miles. Now I'll admit that overall it's downhill from the Alps to the sea, and I was taking it easy - 65mph. But the car was heavily laden and I arrived with 100 miles still on the clock. I was seriously impressed.
I live in Italy now and had to change the car because of Brexit. There was a great opportunity for a demonstrator Kona with only about 1500 miles on the clock and a vast discount compared to new, so I jumped at that. It's supposed to have an extra 20 miles of range thanks to a change of wheels, but apart from some cosmetic stuff (front nose) it isn't vastly different. The dashboard is revamped but I wouldn't call it better. just different! I'd have no hesitation in making the trip to the UK in it. Ionity are only expanding.
@@davidhamishwill367 great to hear. I am always surprised with what you can get in the Kona, after the mods I made removing the polystyrene in the boot. Record is a trip to IKEA, 1 flat pack set of bunk beds, with a 2m x2m set of shelving plus a large easy chair (high backed) with other bits a pieces. Cycles and other luggage, no problem.
We have a e-Niro as well, which I am am considering changing for a Model Y, but I’m not sure.
@@greengecko1876 It's interesting that you also have the Eniro. So leaving aside the issue of space (which doesn't matter to us) how would you compare it with the Kona in terms of zip, range and comfort/convenience at the wheel?
TESLA: When I was looking at the Kona the other shortlisted car was a recent secondhand TESLA 3 long range. IN the end it came down to an extra 80 miles of range (real world) for between 10-15,000 euros more - for me it wasn't worth it.
The comparison I'm keen to see is the newly revamped Niro coming next year vs the Ioniq 5 & EV 6. I'm sure the latter two are better, but the question is *how much* better for the difference in price.
@Richard Wood I think there's a case to be made for cars this size, in that families really can use the space. But it is disappointing that this segment gets the attention /priority and they haven't made a compact car equivalent.
@Richard Wood oh I do for sure wish proper estates/wagons would be the family car type being offered in EV form. No sign of getting anything like that in North America though. That's a whole other topic. (I think Europe has an MG EV estate though?)
Kia eNiro has a bigger boot and does 4 miles/kWh very often - let's compare that too!
@@Hyfly13 and apparently the revamped one next year is a bit longer - but I don't know if any of that added length got added to the boot.
I wonder if Hyundai will come up with a similarly revamped Kona? Anyone know anything?
Just purchased the Kona 64KW Long Range Late 2022 Model as shown here, range is very good with what we have seen so for us it's perfect.
One thing to note, the long range Ioniq and the 4wd version can tow up to 1,600 kg braked trailer. The standard car is restricted to 750 kg. That's a medium sized caravan or pretty reasonable boat. Range will nearly halve though. Very few BEV car reviews consider towing capacity. Pity the Ioniq is so relatively inefficient.
Just taken delivery of a Kona today. For me, the Ioniq 5 is a bit too big, and not everyone needs a huge amount of boot or other space. The Kona's boot is quite a bit bigger than that of the Suzuki Swift I traded-in...
First thing I did with my Kona EV back in 2019 was take out the weird soundproofing / spacefilling foam that takes up 1/2 the boot. I kept it, assuming I'd put it back after the heavily-loaded summer cottage trips. But no, I never really wanted it again. :)
Hmm…the ioniq 5 is half a metre longer and it is taller and wider too. That’s quite a lot.
Kona was doing 320 miles in summer and currently 240-265. I was easily getting 5miles per kwh and now 4.1.
What I was going to say. Add 400mm+ to that legroom and boot, and... Yeah it's going to feel bigger! I can't fit the 5 in my garage. I can fit the Kona 😉
Nice review. Kona for town driving. Ionique for long distance motorway driving. Keep up the good work
You're a really good presenter, just might be the next Clarckson.
Nice review, as somebody who has had both the first generation Kona electric and now the current version have top say Hyundai have a winner here. The Ionic is just too big for everyday use by a one passenger occupancy and what a range I get 300 miles per charge without too many problems
@david Aylieff-Sansom what did you prefer on either the original or the facelift Kona?
I löve my Kona EV.
Use 1.54 kWh per km in the summer and 1.56 kWh in winter. I use it as a single person 80% of the time. 2 person's not a problem and about 5% with my grandchildren 3 person's. Love the "old car and button" feel. Love the cozy environment. Tried the Ionic 5, but thought it to big for me and too pricy.
Get about 400 +/- km in summertime in one session. (420 with e+)
I have a lease car and thinking of Ionic 6 or the new prolonged Kona EV 24.
I agree with you, Hyundai has taken me with storm the last years. Especially with the increase of quality.
Thanks for a good show.
Real time drive, not WLTP
Thank you for the nice video! I wish the presenter would use kilometer. It's a real bummer having to do calculations to SI units oneself as those are what 99% of countries worldwide use. At least they should be displayed. Especially miles per kWh is quite hard to understand if one is used to kWh/km oder kWh/100km. Thanks and keep up the great work!
I’m British but at 48 years old grew up well after Imperial units were replaced with metric, how old do I have to be before the media start using metric??
The UK, Australia and USA use miles. It is a British video and he is speaking English so of course he uses miles. Not hard to do the conversion, or go watch a French video.
Entropy , sorry to disappoint mate but Oz has been metric for ages.
@@gabechiplin8140 Your right, was my assumption and I should have checked. USA and UK so my comment stands.
@@davidvestey6014 if you live in the UK , forget it .....!!
Anyhow, what's the big deal - a kilometer is 5/8 of a mile - work it out.... !!
Ordered my kona 64 back in November. Due in 2 weeks now.. can’t wait!
Just ordered the IONIQ5 premium. Test drive the Tesla 3 and was disappointedly underwhelmed. Speed was amazing, everything else really average. I’m an 80’s child and so had to get the IONIQ5 because that’s what future cars looked like in my dreams
Kona owner here. My previous car was a Ford Fiesta, so seeing people refer to the Kona as "compact" still blows my mind. He's a thicc boi in a parking space, that's for sure.
Yeah, the boot is a bit cramped, but even at 6ft3 I can get a comfortable car full of people if I jack the seat up. Also the acceleration never gets old and that range confidence is undeniable. At the price of a 64Kw, it's just a perfect car for anyone (without kids) who wants to jump into EVs for the first time.
At the very least, it'll tide me over until 2024, at which point the EV landscape will be absolutely mental with good options.
Let's face it guys...the Kona is a better all round car...!!
The boot on the Kona in North America has a feature where the floor can be reset (easily. One handed) lowering it 4-5 inches. This feature would probably have solved your demo on the bags transfer. It lowers the floor if the rear seat is up- raise it and you have a nearly flat floor with the rear seat folded down.
Please use the standard efficiency units! Or at least say both of them? 2 miles per kWh/ 256 Wh per kilometer. It will greatly improve the range of your public (as in the whole metric world ;)
I remember I saw Ioniq5 recently in supermarket parking lot 2 weeks ago in Germany. I was walking by and suddenly thought oh wow what’s that! Sharp lines huge hugeeee car and then it hit me…. That’s ioniq5 and looks the same as a concept :O. I’m used to seeing Teslas and I love them but this really grabbed my attention.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As you mentioned, weight & efficiency is very disappointing. I was very excited when the Kona EV was introduced with a 64kWh battery, 162 Wh/km and 395km real range. It was a very good option at that time. The new Ioniq 5 has ~73kWh:
2WD: 189 Wh/km, 385 km
AWD: 194 Wh/km, 375 km
How can this be exciting? I hope Megane e-tech EV60 will be a better option. If not priced competitively, Tesla 3 will be a clear winner for me.
Agree, for my taste the range of Ioniq 5 is just not good enough for traveling around Europe to this date. Just saw test drive with Megane, seem to be same issue, highway test reported 25kWh/100 km, i.e. 240 km range 😭
If all you care about is range, take the train, mate.
You didn't mention charging speed, probably one of the most important factors. Or bi directional charging /v2l which is super cool.
Very important to some people, and totally irrelevant to others!
Agree it should have been mentioned. Kona EV: 74 kW max DC fast charge vs. Ionic 5 ~220 kW max DC fast charge. Lets keep in mind that most people do 90-99% of their charging much slower (and cheaper!) than a DCFC.
Yes, if you talk range then charging is very important.
I loved the Kona EV when I test drove it. I liked the Ioniq 5 but not as much to drive. But the Kona boot is ridiculously tiny! If it had the movable back seats like the Ioniq 5 to create extra boot space I would have gone for the Kona. But your review of thd Kona back seats maybe demonstrated the reason Kona dont have this feature 😅😂 I need to put a wheelchair in the boot abc would need to fold two seats, with zero space left.
I've held off as I couldn't afford the I5 but now the used ones have come down in price. Looking for a used I5 with a battery conditioning option, which isn't standard until 23 edits.
Disability access wise the electric tail gate is neat but that button really shouldn't be at standing height 🤦🏻♀️
The Kona is a bit of a thug. Jack really has a way with words, and I fully agree with his assertion. I've had my Kona for 15 months now and just love it.
Great review Jack - I loved the way you spelt out that it was NOT a direct comparison - something which irritates me when other channels compare a £35000 car with a £56000 car (Tesla Y in mind - yes, they are the best but please include a price comparison too chaps). But I have an ioniq5 and it’s fantastic. I reckon driving sensibly I get 3.8miles/kwHr. And that’s on Dartmoor with temperatures 2-10 DegC. Not sure how you were driving Jack but when you calculated the range I think you might have actually agreed with me….just such a great car. For the first time in goodness knows how long I just want to go out for a drive!
Huihh!
Replaced a much loved 2003 Cooper S with a 2014 i3 REX, whilst main car is 2.4 diesel XC60.
Neither myself or partner want to drive the Volvo anymore, and so we just ordered Ionic 5 through NHS Salary Sacrifice scheme. We are blown away by electric driving experience and savings.
I loved the design of the Ioniq 5 but it’s way to large for my needs, I love the kona size but the design in and out leaves me cold and the ice underpinning very disappointing, I’ve read that Hyundai are fast forwarding the next model releases with an Ioniq 3 or 4 due in 2023, if it’s an Ioniq 5 styled Kona sized car on a dedicated EV platform with fast charging I’d be very interested in replacing my Ford Focus then.
It's a pity Jack can't get it into his head that one car is much bigger than the other. He even says that one is 300mm longer at one point(wrong) but doesn't seem to realise that THAT could be the reason for one having a bigger boot capacity and more leg room in the back than the other...
The ionic 5 would be amazing if it be the size of the 80’s hot hatches it tries to emulate. I loved it till I saw it in real life - it simply makes no sense that car makers go bigger with EV’s just like they do with ICE.
Whatever they are doing it’s certainly not how a sustainable future would look like.
The Kona's ICE underpinning was about Hyundai being cautious, but the Kona was originally designed to have an EV version, as shown by the fact that the e-Kona body is a few centimetres higher than ICE versions, providing space for the batteries. Probably the right move at the time, and the resultant sales of this gen-2 EV have allowed for the development of the gen-3 Ioniq 5.
Tru dat.
This may well be the first time that a Fully Charged video almost felt like a run-of-the-mill car review waffle aimed at making any car on "review" look good. I mean, with all due respect, suggesting one should buy a larger car (about 300 kg difference, as far as I understand), if one can afford it, just because it's nicer, is not what FC is about. However, it is exactly what pretty much every single car channel out there is about :/ It's what most of car buyers are about. That''s why we are getting these countless "SUV"s and a car like Kona is now openly called "small" or "sub-compact", which is insane.
Who cares if this is an EV? It's still large and energy inefficient. With that said, of course, if you have a family of five and are dragging them with you wherever you go, Ioniq 5 is a no brainer. However, just imho, driving something like this daily and alone in the city is not much better in terms of sustainability than driving a small five year old diesel.
As an Ioniq owner for last 2 years.. Range efficiency is everything in Scotland. Loved the Ioniq 5 on test but the lease cost per month was more than double the KonaE. EV6 and MachE even more so. Same range. So for us it was a no brainier, £ went with the Kona. Ioniq 5 feels like a big SUV (in a good way). KonaE was the lowest lease cost 250-300 mile EV on market and beats the Ioniq 5. Even cheaper than ID3. Don’t have kids and rear seats barely get used. Look forward to the next gen in a couple of years. Hope they do a big motor base Ioniq for more range as it averages above 4 kw efficiency. I would say dash materials of Ioniq 5 felt cheap compared to our humble Ioniq. The cost of recycling. Ioniq 5 probably the best design on market right now.
i got a 2021 kona ultimate for 42k. very happy with it. did a 300 mile road trip with 1 dc fast charge stop. easy peasy. i do not have a small herd of 6'2+ people to tote around so there's that. i also was able to fit a 24 inch diswasher in the back of the kona with the seats down so the "boot" is more than adequate unless you need an 8 foot pickup bed. then get a pickup.
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Very much enjoyed the video. Leaning towards the Kona for value and practicality
With our first baby now over 9 months old and planning to have two more, we have just ordered a 2022 Ioniq 5 Dynamiq RWD. Finding an EV SUV that would be comfortable and fast to charge, have the range for country living and long car trips in Australia AND would fit potentially 3 child seats in the back plus pram and luggage, it was really a toss-up for us between the Tesla Model Y and the Ioniq 5. The Kona would be too small for us. I'm so excited -- it's not only our first EV (after everyone I spoke to told us to get a hybrid as the charger network in Australia is still barely out of its infancy....we didn't listen) it's also our first new car after decades of driving old ones. We will be taking it through its paces on a big road trip at Christmas and praying we don't have to wait hours to use the fast chargers on the highway. Now to get the Zappi solar-aware charger installed at home....
Where did the nice overlays with imperial/metric values go?
Anyway, nice video again
Size strikes me as the most significant issue. For many, especially city dwellers, the Ioniq 5 is perhaps more car than they want. It would be nice to see a Kona-sized vehicle on an EV platform.
Like almost everyone I was a huge fan of the Ioniq 5's design when it first appeared - 'what the ID4 should have looked like!'. I still haven't seen one in the flesh, but I sometimes think that it would be a great design for a car the size of the Golf, but that for a large car perhaps it doesn't work so well? Looking forward to actually seeing one.
It does seem pretty wide and a bit too big for a city. Looks great though, I'd love to see a golf/ polo size version
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I've seen three. Two in one day! It just confirmed that i don't like the back of it!
Been watching a lot of vids lately on the Ionic 5... and I think i will very much be ordering one!
Think I would take the Kia E-Niro slightly larger but same range. Nice vid Jack.
"Nothing creaks"
Touches the dashboard
"Okay that creaks a little bit" 🤣
You have done a great job comparing these two vehicles and it still makes it a tough choice for me based on how inefficient the Ioniq5 is. It's unfair to compare it to a model 3 though given the distinct lack of headroom in the rear seats of the model 3 and yet the model y is considerably more expensive and seems to be less comfortable due to stiff suspension. Decisions, decisions!!
Great video however as a Hyundai ioniq 5 73kwh owner I need to correct you on stats.
Kona 64 kwh is usable
Ioniq 5 73kwh only 65kwh usable.
Auto regen can do wonders to the range so 300 or more can be achieved on a full charge despite a boxy shape. Looking forward to ypur nect video and hope to meet you in person at a fully charge show
Fundamentally, I look at it this way. The Kona/e-Niro is a smaller car, the Ioniq 5/EV6 is a larger car. Hyundai/Kia have doubled down on this, using the Ioniq 5/EV6 as their flagship EV model (at least until the Ioniq 6 and Ioniq 7/EV9 come out) while the Kona/e-Niro is a less glamourous, more utilitarian car. I lament that all the best electric technology is going into 'flagship' models, and modestly-sized, modestly-priced but still competently-equipped vehicles are dropping off the electric menu (I am so glad the Vauxhall Corsa-e/Peugeot e-208 is still a thing), but I hope SK ON's work on LFP batteries will push Hyundai/Kia to develop a dedicated platform for lower-spec vehicles, like the VW MEB-entry platform or the RNM CMF-BEV.
Until then, the Kona/e-Niro is smaller and more affordable, the Ioniq 5/EV6 is larger and more premium. And I suspect the Kona/e-Niro will have more market traction...
Helpful and accurate- just got a 2021 Kona EV, which is just right for shuttling my little kids around town
We love our KONA, but agree, the "stock" tires that come with the KONA are noisy ... we swapped them out for some Pirelli tires and it was night a day difference in road noise and handling. Visually I still prefer the looks of the KONA, but the little extra roomy "feel" in Ioniq 5 sounds tempting. You had the KONA passenger front seat all the way back when you climbed in ... it's not that small back there.
Regarding seat position - for both cars, he was showing what it was like to sit behind himself... he's a tall / lanky fella, which means in smaller cars the driving seat will be all the way back - and that in turn will emphasise the lack of rear seat space / overall interior space.
Did the different tyres make a lot of difference to efficiency?
In Canada base model Ioniq 5 is priced very similar to Kona. We get the small battery option in Ioniq 5 but only the large battery in Kona.
We have both. I traded up from a Kona to a P45. I agree it is a lot more civilised but I still miss my Kona. My wife stuck with her Kona. She loves the car and feels the Ioniq is too big. My main issue with the Kona is the 3-phase OBC problem which makes using a smart charger with it a pain. My main gripe with the Ioniq is the omission of a rear wiper. One hint of drizzle and the rear window goes opaque. It was obvious that there was going to be an issue there when the early Korean bloggers spun the 'slots in the rear wing will keep it clear' - which they patently don't. The Kona is a great car but sadly the Ioniq 5 is more of a great looking car. (economy, silly door handles, poor DAB radio, less comfortable seats than the Kona, unfinished software - bugs...) maybe it was a bit rushed.
Like all cars, it depends on your needs. Living in a city -- Kona is the way to go. I have a large car now and looking for a smaller car. I test drove the Ioniq. Amazingly luxurious ride, but a tad too big for me. I'm impressed with Hyundai overall. Never considered this brand before now.
I have Kona electric 2019 version. I like it so much in terms of comfort and eenrgy saving.
My exact quandry. A Kona Ultimate right now, or for 20% more, an Ioniq 5, AWD Ultimate, perhaps a year from now. Thanks for the information.
Ioniq28 to Kona64 is great upgrade. New Ioniq5 and EV6 are too big, too heavy ruining efficiency and over priced. Old shape 2020 Kona Premium SE for the win as it has a VESS button all new cars don't.
Somehow, in Canada, the Kona EV and the Ionic 5 are just $1000 difference ($43,899 vs $44,999) for the base model. If the Kona were $7,000 less I would jump at it.
My wife and I wanted to get on the list to buy an Ioniq, but they are booked for 3 years here in Victoria Canada! But a 2019 Kona was available, so we bought it instead.
What's surprising to me is the ground up EV is bested by the compromised ICE platform when it comes to efficiency. The ioniq 5 doesn't deserve the name. My Ioniq 38kwh has averaged 4.7 miles per kw over the last 22 months.
What, no mention of the Kona catching fire so often that Hyundai are having to address the problem?
I have just purchased an KONA HYBRED 2 weeks ago, won't get her for about 5 months, didn't want a full electric no where to charge them. THE HYBRED WILL charge herself, I have got the hipeck model. Got a good deal from DALEYS GARAGE FALLS ROAD BELFAST. Now just waiting. I am driving a kona at present and I love her. Winifred Thompson. Lisburn. Northern Ireland.
I agree the Ionia looks better. This video has helped me make up my mind I reckon.
14:00 that's a great demo of different boot sizes. I don't know why I haven't seen anyone else do it before.
I think Jack could make a review of brieze blocks fun & interesting. Add new EVs to the mix and this a great way to spend 10 mins.
Ridiculously good show--don't stop!!
I like the look of the Kona. The Ioniq just seems run of the mill in terms of styling. The Kona is attractively different.
With all the reviews online there seem to be a overlooked problem with these buttons to close the boot. It is this. I am confined to a wheelchair and I get in and out of the car alone. So if I opened one of these electric boots/hatchback I would not be able to close it. As I love your channel I hope that you consider this problem as you review cars in the future and MAYBE the manufactures will get the point. The amount of wheelchair users that drive alone is larger than people think. I really do like all the content that you make and I especially joy all the none car videos too.
Would love to see a re-do of this video once the Kona EV 2024 (with full on re-design and bespoke EV architecture) that was just announced comes out.
it would be nice to see future revisions of the Kona become more native EV and use skateboard architecture and also be a little larger size overall.. also move charging port to side somewhere as it looks like a blemish at the front.. otherwise its very good.. the overall appearance is great and doesnt come across like its trying too hard.. i like that its simple inside with many real buttons rather than try and make everything a tablet interface. screens are great for some stuff but not everything IMO... i also like the center panel with the armrest, drive controls, drink holders etc.. and area underneath for storage is great.. that stuff is legacy design but its effective and doesnt need to change i dont think..
just curious, is the other (original) ioniq EV still a thing or has that been retired now? by all acounts that was also an efficiency expert too albeit with a smaller battery.
Should highlight that for the larger battery Ioniq 5, it actually costs more like £42,000, Vs the £32,000 for the big battery Kona
great review - getting the kona would prefer the Ioniq 5 - dont have the quite substantial amount needed. waiting time in May 2022 for the Kona - November !!!
In Australia, you can't purchase an Ionic through a dealer. Kona is available through the Hyundai Dealer network. You buy your Ionic on-line.
I just bought the kona for three simple reasons.
Compact
Range
Cheap-ish
I adore the ioniq 5 looks.
We've just gone for a Kona Premium long range. I did want an eNiro trim 2 long range but I waited just too long and they are not available now.
An Ionic 5 is a bus compared to the Kona. They are in different car classes and I accept from different eras but the Kona will do for two adults with occasional camping trips, weekends away, 200 mile round trips to visit family, etc. all that we need in terms of comfort and safety.
And, given that the driver is only 5'4" tall there will be plenty of space for an average sized passenger behind them.
In five years we might want to upgrade to something newer and more expensive but then, if the car is still running well and doing what we need, why would we? It's a car, not a status symbol.
I love the look of the screens and controls on the H5. Roll on a smaller version (IIRC theres a H3 coming) which presumably will replace the Kona.
Interesting comparison. There is definitely a need for smaller a smaller ev especially for in city use. Personally I own a Niro EV while I wait for my EV6, which I chose over the Kona simply because of more space in the back. I've taken all 4 of us on a 350km road trip in comfort.
I'm loving the 1970's car dealer / Del Boy jacket ,,great stuff
I love 99% about the Ioniq 5, but its inefficiency marks it down to a "not recommended" for me. The worst part about it is that it's the technical platform for many models to come that similarly will be very inefficient.
yeah the fast charging speeds dont matter that much when A - you get cold gated and cant achieve them and B - waste that advantage in inefficiency over the journey
I just got my Kona EV 2022 Ultimate trim (Canada) and I love it, the only odd thing is, it does not have a 12V accessory plug in the back hatch like my 2012 Tucson.
I rented an Ioniq 5 to drive around for a couple of days. I really liked it, but I was left feeling like they still didn't quite get the user interface. (Things like "On the heated seats screen, you can adjust the heat with sliders, but nothing happens when you tap the big image of the seat.") I also thought it was about 6 centimeters too wide and 10 or more too long. But the car is really comfortable to sit in, and the Heads Up Display made me realize I never want to buy a new car without a HUD. Everything should have a HUD.
I had the original Ioniq hybrid, which had a really low drag coefficient, so why can't Hyundai design a similar pure EV. Big cars with high drag just waste expensive energy!
Nice car coat Jack! Liked the revue as well.
Boot comparison was genius
Another great video of 2 great cars, thanks Jack!
Totally different cars! A barge or a small hatch. An efficient low impact car or inefficient bus? Fiesta or Granada? EVs are not unpolluting, the tyre, disc, dust etc, those PM2.5-10s are worse with these bigger less efficient models.
Brilliant rapid charging on the Ioniq on all of those super chargers that don’t exist.
Wish they’d just put a 64kWh battery in the original Ioniq to be honest.
Longest range Hyundai……. is still the Kona!
And I’ve been in all of them as I’m looking to replace our 38 Ioniq, I wanted to like the I5 but it’s just too vast.
Well said, dude - the comparison ISN'T.......!!
I think the Ionic 5 is a really pivotal vehicle in the race to build the perfect EV. It’s design is bold, great range and great charge times - a real game changer. Tesla who?