Qualia. The word is an abstraction by the brain of perspective itself which is also an abstraction of reality. Like the painter painting the painting of a painter painting the painting of the painter painting the painting etc. It keeps going infinitely. 👏
This channel is so fantastic because David is explaining how non Duel seeing actually is as opposed to how to get it, and in doing so it's the very best guidance I've ever heard. It's caused what the difficulty here which was a massive stumbling block here to shatter
@difficult_to_describe this is what I've needed and was struggling with. I was aware of being'nothing' but the mind stepped in when trying to understand nothing as everything. It would say "but how does that make you everything" I need to watch all your videos. Thank you so much.
@zzgeneralsearch1070 Yeah I had the same thing. The mind trying to comprehend automatically and hitting its own limits. Was quite uncomfortable for a while but it eventually became enjoyable as the senses clarified for what they are. 🙂🙏
Thank you David, all of it resonates. Very clear, lots of “inquiry” to play with. I’ll keep ya posted on subtracting those assumptions from the visual field. ❤
i think effort is essential because if not the inherent stubbornness will keep inducing hypnosis. the effort doesnt cause awakening but it does help you realize that all mental effort to figure out life is just going to drain you. once you REALLY EXPERIENCE how hopeless it is, you are more likely to just release that effort once and for all.
@@10XSeiga Yeah I cometely agree. It's like the felt idea of a center point claims the effort as "personal" and that's what makes it uncomfortable. When there is no center point, there is still "doing" and "effort". Like when I lift a weight or climb a big set of stairs now, there are still the sensations that make up effort, but it's not personal, it happens without the presence of an entity who is in control of it. That's why I'm not a fan of the radical Nondual message because it's easily misinterpreted as "effort and doing aren't real because they're personal", that's definetely not my experience. But I will say that when that center point is gone, the sensations that once made up personal effort become effortless in a way. Because they are supported by infinite conditions occurring outside the limits of a person. I think that's why this gets miscommunicated so frequently because it's quite paradoxical 😂
@@difficult_to_describe totally. personal effort isnt there. and thats all the relieve needed tbh. thanks for sharing, fam. stay well and in good health.
@@difficult_to_describe its also fun noticing how literally everything we identify with language is leaning heavily on a million other things that are leaning on everything else. it really drives home that its all automatic.everything is the same and that makes me laugh a bit. because the persona still remains but its not hypnotic. i really experienced this personal ego energy as hypnotism. there is a physical sensation to it. such interesting happenings man.
@@10XSeiga 😂 yeah that's a good way to describe it. It's like the sense of the one who can understand is it's self made of an incomprehensible web of random conditions appearing as something with real purpose and autonomy 😆 But the illusion still functions and it's really cool when it can be appreciated for what it is and not a concrete reality :)
"You're not in the world - YOU ARE IT" "everything and everyone is yourself in various form" "all is consciousness" "all is I" those are not truths, it's just more thoughts, concepts; interpretations from the experience of the sense of being someone not being there. Because something feels a certain way doesn't make it so, just like if a sense of being someone is there it doesn't mean we are that.
@@theUnmanifest BTW check out a video I did called "what is Pointing?" there's something I talk about in that video that you really need to get for this Nondual speaking style to become accessible to you. Otherwise it will just be stuck in a conceptual space of contradictions. Ill say one more time. I'm always using concepts (language), but I'm pointing to something in experience that is not conceptual. The words don't matter, it's what, in your experience that is beyond concept that matters. It's up to you how you use (or don't use) the pointing. Could be zen is a better option where they don't speak at all 😂 then when nonconceptual is clear in experience, pointing can be useful, but only then.
@@difficult_to_describeIt's not about avoiding concepts (language), as it is unavoidable. My point is that statements like 'You're not in the world-YOU ARE IT' are not just pointers but definitive claims about reality. These are theoretical beliefs that can be misleading without proper clarification. And you're obviously trying to guide and not mislead by making these videos. A more accurate statement might be: 'The experience no longer feels like you are in the world, but that there is only the world.' This avoids making definitive claims about reality and focuses on the experiential aspect. Clarifying that the non-dual experience involves and is about no longer feeling like a separate little me in a vast world. However, this doesn't necessarily equate to being literally everything or everyone. Such interpretations adds unnecessary layers of concepts and beliefs onto the pure experience itself.
@@theUnmanifest Honestly, I don't care about the grammatical semantics. I've used hundreds of thousands of words since beginning this channel and still haven't been able to create an accurate description. The majority of the viewers here are way past those conceptual stumbling blocks. I'd much rather hear an authentic description of your own experience than discuss semantics. I'm not worried about the concepts being accurate because I'm not talking about something conceptual. This is all about your experience. Your experience. Right now. Which is what you are always describing. When you write here, I can see it. What are you telling me about your thoughts and beliefs, your direct experience, indirectly? Why not tell me directly? Are you worried about the experience of other people? Are you worried about the concepts being accurate? Are you worried about your view being the correct one? What I'm saying is I'm not talking about any of that. Those are all thoughts 😂
@@theUnmanifest BTW I agree your description is better than my click bait title 😂 but that's not what I'm going after because there is something else more obvious to me in your comment, the fixation on the conceptual side of this. Lets get simple/real and talk about your experience. With your experience, there is no right or wrong, that's the beauty of this ❤️
Qualia. The word is an abstraction by the brain of perspective itself which is also an abstraction of reality. Like the painter painting the painting of a painter painting the painting of the painter painting the painting etc. It keeps going infinitely. 👏
This channel is so fantastic because David is explaining how non Duel seeing actually is as opposed to how to get it, and in doing so it's the very best guidance I've ever heard. It's caused what the difficulty here which was a massive stumbling block here to shatter
@@zzgeneralsearch1070 Awesome glad to hear it's clear for you 😀
@difficult_to_describe this is what I've needed and was struggling with. I was aware of being'nothing' but the mind stepped in when trying to understand nothing as everything. It would say "but how does that make you everything" I need to watch all your videos. Thank you so much.
@zzgeneralsearch1070 Yeah I had the same thing. The mind trying to comprehend automatically and hitting its own limits. Was quite uncomfortable for a while but it eventually became enjoyable as the senses clarified for what they are. 🙂🙏
Thank you David, all of it resonates. Very clear, lots of “inquiry” to play with. I’ll keep ya posted on subtracting those assumptions from the visual field. ❤
@@vidaphoenix9574 Yeah let me know :)
Great post. I can resonate with a lot of the message.
@@EnergiCodes awesome :)
i think effort is essential because if not the inherent stubbornness will keep inducing hypnosis. the effort doesnt cause awakening but it does help you realize that all mental effort to figure out life is just going to drain you. once you REALLY EXPERIENCE how hopeless it is, you are more likely to just release that effort once and for all.
@@10XSeiga Yeah I cometely agree. It's like the felt idea of a center point claims the effort as "personal" and that's what makes it uncomfortable. When there is no center point, there is still "doing" and "effort". Like when I lift a weight or climb a big set of stairs now, there are still the sensations that make up effort, but it's not personal, it happens without the presence of an entity who is in control of it. That's why I'm not a fan of the radical Nondual message because it's easily misinterpreted as "effort and doing aren't real because they're personal", that's definetely not my experience.
But I will say that when that center point is gone, the sensations that once made up personal effort become effortless in a way. Because they are supported by infinite conditions occurring outside the limits of a person. I think that's why this gets miscommunicated so frequently because it's quite paradoxical 😂
@@difficult_to_describe totally. personal effort isnt there. and thats all the relieve needed tbh. thanks for sharing, fam. stay well and in good health.
@@difficult_to_describe its also fun noticing how literally everything we identify with language is leaning heavily on a million other things that are leaning on everything else. it really drives home that its all automatic.everything is the same and that makes me laugh a bit. because the persona still remains but its not hypnotic. i really experienced this personal ego energy as hypnotism. there is a physical sensation to it. such interesting happenings man.
@@10XSeiga 😂 yeah that's a good way to describe it. It's like the sense of the one who can understand is it's self made of an incomprehensible web of random conditions appearing as something with real purpose and autonomy 😆 But the illusion still functions and it's really cool when it can be appreciated for what it is and not a concrete reality :)
"You're not in the world - YOU ARE IT" "everything and everyone is yourself in various form" "all is consciousness" "all is I"
those are not truths, it's just more thoughts, concepts; interpretations from the experience of the sense of being someone not being there.
Because something feels a certain way doesn't make it so, just like if a sense of being someone is there it doesn't mean we are that.
@@theUnmanifest They're either concepts, or they're words which point to something nonconceptual and don't really mean anything. Which is it for you?
@@theUnmanifest BTW check out a video I did called "what is Pointing?" there's something I talk about in that video that you really need to get for this Nondual speaking style to become accessible to you. Otherwise it will just be stuck in a conceptual space of contradictions.
Ill say one more time. I'm always using concepts (language), but I'm pointing to something in experience that is not conceptual. The words don't matter, it's what, in your experience that is beyond concept that matters. It's up to you how you use (or don't use) the pointing.
Could be zen is a better option where they don't speak at all 😂 then when nonconceptual is clear in experience, pointing can be useful, but only then.
@@difficult_to_describeIt's not about avoiding concepts (language), as it is unavoidable.
My point is that statements like 'You're not in the world-YOU ARE IT' are not just pointers but definitive claims about reality. These are theoretical beliefs that can be misleading without proper clarification. And you're obviously trying to guide and not mislead by making these videos.
A more accurate statement might be: 'The experience no longer feels like you are in the world, but that there is only the world.' This avoids making definitive claims about reality and focuses on the experiential aspect.
Clarifying that the non-dual experience involves and is about no longer feeling like a separate little me in a vast world. However, this doesn't necessarily equate to being literally everything or everyone. Such interpretations adds unnecessary layers of concepts and beliefs onto the pure experience itself.
@@theUnmanifest Honestly, I don't care about the grammatical semantics. I've used hundreds of thousands of words since beginning this channel and still haven't been able to create an accurate description. The majority of the viewers here are way past those conceptual stumbling blocks.
I'd much rather hear an authentic description of your own experience than discuss semantics. I'm not worried about the concepts being accurate because I'm not talking about something conceptual.
This is all about your experience. Your experience. Right now. Which is what you are always describing. When you write here, I can see it. What are you telling me about your thoughts and beliefs, your direct experience, indirectly? Why not tell me directly? Are you worried about the experience of other people? Are you worried about the concepts being accurate? Are you worried about your view being the correct one?
What I'm saying is I'm not talking about any of that. Those are all thoughts 😂
@@theUnmanifest BTW I agree your description is better than my click bait title 😂 but that's not what I'm going after because there is something else more obvious to me in your comment, the fixation on the conceptual side of this.
Lets get simple/real and talk about your experience. With your experience, there is no right or wrong, that's the beauty of this ❤️