LANDCRUISER 200 | Why I chose my wheels & tyres | Method NV305 | BFG AT | Australian Outback Touring
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- In this video, I go over what wheels and tyres we are running on our 2014 Toyota Landcruiser 200 series Sahara in detail.
I explain why we chose this setup and some of the pro’s and con’s for our setup.
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Another great video mate, very informative 👍
Thanks mate 👍
thanks useful info!
I’ve run bfgoodrich tyres for years now, always the muddies and always been brilliant tyres. The Km3s I’ve got now are absolutely awesome and looking at their current ware they’ll easily do 100k kms same as my last sets.
I do like the look of the KM3, maybe a next Tyre?
After watching your video I went out and brought the same wheels , it looks trick 👌
Awesome mate, I'm sure you won't be disappointed. Years later and I'm still loving them! 👍
Cheers, Nathan.
well done ..... detailed explanation …. I went down to 17" with 33" tyres so didn't have to do all the extra work …. also mine 2km/h out, so 100 on speedo 102km/h, all safe ….. good luck, keep 'em comin'
Cheers mate. Going with 33'' would be easier, but love the look of these.
Considering going to a 35" after these, would look awesome!
I am also a few km out on the speedo. As long as we're aware, all good!
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz please do ……. looking forward to the review ….. your doin' a great job
Great video mate, thanks for the info. Do you know what the largest wheel size you can get onto the 200 without lifting is?
Cheers mate. It will depend on a few things. Firstly, if you only have stock rims, you might struggle to get much bigger, aftermarket wheels with a wider offset would help. Also, I do believe that most brands of bullbars, if you have one installed, severely hinder larger tyres without lift. KDSS suspension can also cause an issue, if this is fitted to your 200. Depending on all these factors, I have seen people fit 33'' tyres to a standard lift 200, but I do believe the front mudflaps need to be removed along with potential guard cutting.
All in all, I wouldn't be able to give you a specific answer, but the LC200 forums are a great place to ask, as so many people have asked or tried these things previously.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz i was planning on getting rims like yours with +25mm offset and going with some all terrains that fit without a lift if that was possible. i dont need a lift as i just hit the beeches atm; nothing too techy. i do need some AT tyres but. pretty much i just like the look of the blacked out rims :-) i do have kdss too. i'll check out the forums, thanks again
Hi, love the vids - wondering what happens to the rear axle when the car’s loaded and the van is hooked up? Does it move given the new panhard has corrected it unladen?
Cheers John, appreciate the feedback.
So given that I run the 400kg constant rear springs, along with airbag man airbags in this vehicle, the height (which effects this geometry) doesn't really change at all. Being able to increase and decrease the pressure in the airbags, gives me full control over the height in the rear when weight is added or removed.
However, without these airbags, I do believe the change in height, and therefore the geometry of the rear axle would be minimum and it wouldn't be hard to find a specification that suits for both scenarios.
Unless the vehicle was extremely laden and really sagging in the rear end, the change in axle placement would be negligible. Obviously this is my opinion, however, I haven't had an issue with the rear axle placement to date.
Cheers, Nathan.
Great Video Mate! Going for the same Bp51 2-inch lift on my LC200, same 305/65 r18 BFG KO2s and method race wheels. I am looking at the method 309s which offer a +18 or 0 offset. Do u think the 0 offsets will rub at full lock turn? How close are your +25 offsets? Cheers again for the info.
Carlos
Thanks mate, great choice, its worked very well on my vehicle so far!
So keep in mind the closer to 0 the further out the wheel will be. So a +18 or 0 offset will have a little 'poke' outside the guards. I think the standard wheels are +65 offset and I'm running the +25 which is about as close as you are going to get without tread showing outside the guards.
If you run +18 or 0 I doubt you will have any scrubbing.
Cheers, Nathan.
Nath. Double check the legality of using those 'Method' alloy rims on the LC200 ? In Australia, one is only allowed to fit a wheel with offset difference +/-20mm over or under the factory OEM wheel ! V.
Did you look into diff drop kits at all? Where did you source the UCAs? Cheers again for the info.
Andrew.
Sure did mate. This 200 has the road safe front diff drop installed. It wasn’t a necessity, but I still believes it helps out.
Also, I purchased the Blackhawk Upper control arms through a local independent 4WD fitter. They are the 2” lift fixed ones, not then adjustable ones. Hope that helps 👍
Hi mate! Awesome videos. I was trying to access the link to these rims. Is there an updated link as the ebay one doesn't work.
Cheers!
Hey mate,
Sorry about that, try this one: ebay.us/klSKHi
Cheers, Nathan.
Great video - do you know the load rating of the standard LC200 18 alloy rim - have been trying to find this but no luck anywhere. Many thanks mate
Thanks mate. Hmm, this isn't information I have on hand at the moment. If I do find out I'll let you know.
Cheers, Nathan.
Disregard you mentioned in the vid that it’s lifted thanks for the great vid
No worries
Hey mate, do you have any issues at the front with full lock hitting the KDSS module?
We went the Method Con 6's with the +25 offset and 33's Toyo R /T Open Country tyres
Sounds like a good combination. How have you found the Toyo's?
XploringOz So far so good mate. We have only towed for around 1000km and I have put about 1000km going to work. Very little noise although you do know you have a chunky tyre on. We will see how they are at the 10k and 20k marks. Really appreciate your clips mate! They have really helped me
Crazy ZX14 Thanks mate 👍 would be good to hear what you think of them after some high Km’s. Cheers.
Hi would love to see a pic of the con 6's with the Toyos...thinking of the same setup..cheers
I have the KO2's in 34x10.5-17 on my F-150 and I love them. Why not go 285-70R-18? It would have been narrower to reduce rubbing and increase ground clearance on the spare.
They are good tyres. I didn't go the 285 as I wanted the BFG's and they don't make them in that size for the KO2's unfortunately. I will definitely look around at other brands/options for my next set, just out of interest.
I have the same truck 200series 2014 ! what a bigger tire would I use without any modification and keeping my OEM rims ?
would used 195 70 18?
I run AT3 275/70/18 on my VX stock rims, 295/70/17 trail grapplers on + 30 steel rims for play. I like the feel of the 275 width for my 200. Would be good to hear the price of the methods.
Nice rig, do you know how much lift the new tyres and rims gave the overall height? Cheers
Hi Jo Jo, I can't provide an exact measurement, as I didn't measure the vehicle prior to having the suspension installed and many of the heavy aftermarket accessories went in shortly after the install, prior to the suspension having time to settle. The tyres alone give a lift of just over 1" and the suspension, despite being marketed as a 2'' front and 1'' lift, ending up coming up about 3'' all round. But, I do believe it has sagged a little since first being installed.
G'day Nathan,
Great vids! New sub!
What is your average fuel consumption with all the mods you've done currently? (Not towing).
Cheers
Thanks mate, welcome to the channel!
So around town I get about 15-16L per 100km. On the highway I'll get around 13-15L per 100km, depending on conditions. These figures have been significantly effected by the modifications, as when I first bought the vehicle I got 10L/100km on the highway.
I'm hoping to do a video on fuel consumption in the future!
Cheers Nathan.
@@XploringOz Thanks Nathan for your reply... Yes it's amazing how the additional weight and taller gearing caused by the larger tyres wreaks havoc with fuel consumption...60% more fuel is not insignificant!
Perhaps a "regear" is an option if economically viable..time to fire up the spreadsheet lol
A video on that subject would be very interesting...!
Keep up the great work 👍
@@claudeadams21 For sure. I guess it's all a compromise in the end.
I'm also hoping to do some engine tuning in the form of either chip/remap and exhaust etc. So this will also likely assist the fuel (if I don't use the extra power).
Again, if and when this is done, will all be documented.
Thanks again, Nathan.
Thanks . Very helpful. What is the roof rack you have on? Really cool.
Cheers mate 👍
The roof rack is a Rhino Rack Pioneer Platform with the backbone mounting system.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Thank you Nathan.
I have a question , doesn’t pos 25 make the wheel illegal in Aus? Factory pos 60 once you go to post 25 thats an increase in more than 50mm in track ???? Asking as Im researching rims now for my vx
You might find that technically you are only allowed to go an extra 50mm across the track although you would never get a sticker for it, it will only be picked up if you go over the pits for any reason.
Yeah, I did hear that, however, I’ve kept the originals wheels/tyres if I ever had to do that 👍
And can you put a 33s on a all stock lc200???
Cause Im planning to install one on mine
Great vid mate cheers
Hi mate, I’m not sure how long ago you did this video and hence how long have you been running these tyres for… Just wondering if that size and dimension of tyre is still working well for you? I have just done the exact same suspension mods and 2inch lift to my land cruiser with 18 inch rims and my current tyre dimension of 285/60/R18 look like a little mini tyres on the car. I need to change to a new bigger dimension & thought 285/65/R18 was my only realistic option...I like the idea of 305 size etc you’ve done...would you still do it in hindsight?
G'day Gavin,
So I put these wheels and tyres on about 10/11months ago. Overall I'm still happy with the combination. The BFG's have held up well (as I expected them too), I still haven't experienced and scrubbing or rubbing on the guards.
There are two things that I would take into consideration with these tyres and these would come down to personal preference and style of driving with your cruiser.
1st - Fuel. The bigger the tyres, the more fuel used. If you frequently tow heavily loads and don't necessarily hit the hard tracks (where you need clearance) then you would definitely be using more fuel for little gain.
2nd - Availability. This is probably the biggest negative with these tyres. They are a strange size and not often readily available in smaller towns and definitely not remote outback areas. If you are going remote or tackling tracks that you predict might chew some tyres, then make sure you have a couple of same size spares or access to some somewhere.
Overall, I'm planning on driving around Aus for a year in the next couple of years and tackling some remote tracks and I'm still in two minds whether I'll stay with this size or go to a standard 33'' for towing and availability.
Saying this, I've already told the missus when we get back from the extended drive around Aus, I'm keen to fit some 35''.
It's very much personal preference, hopefully this has given you something to think about in regards to your cruiser.
Cheers, Nathan.
XploringOz cheers mate. Really appreciate the thoroughness of your answer!
hey mate,
I'm in Perth also, own a 200 series.. currently looking at putting the ARB 4015kg, BP51, GVM upgrade post rego, through adventure 4x4 in Rockingham, and watched video on the wheels and tyres you selected.
the question is, did you have to get extra engineering completed to be signed off on the wheels and tyres size that you have ?
because looking at the fact sheet, your wheels and tyres are bigger than what's specificied on ARBs sheet.
Any info you could share would be greatly appreciated
cheers
steve
Hey mate, replied to your message 👍
Hi Mate can you tell me what you paid for youre Method rims great vid
Hey mate, can't remember exactly what they were, but I'm thinking they were some where around the $500 a wheel mark. Not cheap, but I'm sure they'll last the test of time and punishment I put them through.
Hey mate. Great video. Can I ask what aftermarket panhard rod did you fit?
Thanks mate. I purchased a Roadsafe adjustable rear panhard rod.
Hey man, would you know if 305/65/18 would fit on my factory Sahara rims? With bp51 lift and bull bar and all that. Want the bigger tire but don’t wanna change rims. ARB say yes and some other places say no 🤷♂️
Hey mate, they would probably physically fit, however the width would be strained a little. This may place some extra pressure on the beads of the tyre. I wouldn't be able to comment more at the moment without personal experience.
Cheers
What tyre pressure are you running the fully loaded car without the van, then with van attached?
We are running 40PSI on road and between 42-44PSI when towing and loaded up.
Is you 200 series lifted at all or is it still stock height with the BF tires and 18in wheels
Yeah, it has been lifted. It's got a 2" ARB BP-51 suspension system installed.
Great video and a good insight to tyre sizes. I'm going with the same 2" lift with the method NV305 wheels. But do I need to remove the front guards if I fit 305/65/R18..? If so is it a complicated job..? Also if it have any rubbing on the other parts..?
Thanks mate. If you're planing on fitting the 305/65 R18 then you will probably have to remove those front mudguards. I definitely had to in my experience anyway. Wasn't a hard job at all, there is only a couple of bolts/screws holding them on and then I had to push (by hand) a metal bracket back a couple of mm to avoid any scrubbing. No issues of rubbing anywhere else.
XploringOz Thanks.
@xploringoz where did u order these rims from? any dealers in aus? cheers bro
Hey mate, yep got them in Australia. I personally ordered them from Toyotune (Kelmscott, WA) but I believe that Ultimate 4WD Equipment (Bibra Lake, WA) also stock them. Can't comment for the eastern states, but I'm sure there will be some dealers around.
Cheers, Nathan.
Can someone please tell me. Will 305 50r20 fit the lc200 unlifted.
How do you go with insurance as the car has a speed rating of V, I have had trye companies refuse to fit anything lower than what is on the Comp plate
Hey mate, I haven't heard of this being an issue, as the speed rating is still well and truly higher than any national speed rating. The insurance company would have to prove that the lack of speed rating had involvement in the incident. However I haven't personally mentioned the speed rating factor to my insurance company.
Cheers, Nathan.
Hi mate do you know if your size tyres fit on a stock rim?
Hey mate, I believe they do, but I haven't personally tried it 👍
Sorry if I missed it but what exactly was there rationale for going with 18” rims as opposed to dropping down to 17”?
There is definitely an advantage to fitting the 17" rims, however on this Sahara model, the issue is the clearance between the brake callipers and the rim. It is so fine there are known issues of debris becoming stuck and causing issues.
It can be done though...
@@XploringOz ah ok didn’t realise the brakes were bigger on the Sahara. Worth knowing I guess if someone’s in the market for a 200.
What brand ucas are they? I’m needing to order some other ones today.
These ones are Blackhawk 👍
Are the wheels with different offset necesary? recently tried an ironman UCA, but wont fit with 285/70r17 unlike the factory UCA. So I'm going back to the factory UCA. Can't afford the wheels right now to make it fit unfortunately - but a different offset would fix it too.
Hey mate. What lift is in that 200? 3 or 4”?
Hey mate, this is a standard ARB lift. It's advertised at 2" front and 1" rear, however realistically I got a bit more from both. These wheels still fit in there nicely.
Cheers, Nathan.
Did you fit a diff drop mate?
Yeah mate, fitted a front road safe diff drop 👍
where did u but these wheels from ? im from aus sydney nsw
Hey mate, there are a few stockist throughout Australia that supply Method Race Wheels. I personally got my ones though a stockist in WA called Toyotune.
wondering if 17 inch fits the 2016 200 Sahara? Appreciate anyone could help
Hey mate, I haven't personally tried this, however I've heard that the Sahara models run slightly larger brake callipers in the front which makes it tight. Apparently you can modify the callipers a little to make them fit, however again, not something that I've personally tried.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Thank you. Yes, the Sahara comes with 354 mm front disc compared to other models. I have chosen 305/60R18 positive 35 offset, fits perfectly
Is it legal to put on 35s on a LC 200 in Australia?
Unfortunately not legal in the state of Western Australia (where I live). Saying that, not sure if I would regardless. Although it would look awesome, we can travel 90% of the country on the 33/34" and I save a little bit on fuel.
XploringOz They actually measure the tires to pass inspection?!
We don’t actually require regular inspections in WA, however we can be inspect by Police when driving around and be required to attend a inspection facility if there is something obviously non-compliant, for example larger tyres with too bigger a of lift. It’s not as bad as it sounds, rarely occurs unless the car is blatantly illegal.
XploringOz Oh, sounds scary :(. In the US the police do not inspect 4x4s as you are driving about. That would be totalitarian.
🤣
And can you put a 33s on a all stock lc200???
Cause Im planning to install one on mine
Great vid mate cheers
Cheers mate, there would be a couple of factors that you need to consider such as KDSS, which wheels you are using (factory or aftermarket). If your running stock gear, you may need cut some mudguards to make room. Also, if you have a bullbar it may scrub. I think the forums are the best place to get up to date info with others who have tried this already 👍