Landcruiser 200 | EVERYTHING you need to know about Crawl Control, Multi-terrain Select, Turn Assist
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- Today we learn how all the electronic controlled 4WD systems work in my 2014 Toyota Landcruiser Sahara 200 series.
This includes:
- Centre differential lock
- Traction Control
- Multi-terrain select
- Crawl Control
- Turn assist
These cars really showcase great advancement in modern technology used in off-road conditions.
Although there are many people out there who will doubt the system’s reliability, Toyota really have got these systems working well. They not only get you to your destination safely, but it does so with ease and mechanical sympathy.
I hope you enjoy the video and pick up some tips on when and how to use all these systems.
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As a 200 series owner for 3 years ( 2014 gxl deisel ) I have found the electronics to be awesome. From crawl control, to hill assist ( up/down terrain ) and the turn assist. The hardest part for the newb is to take your feet away from the pedals and let the voodoo do its thing. Mate bogged my 200 in sand over near Exmouth on our trip to WA in 2017... pushed the crawl control, and it rose up out of the sand. Was amazing to see, let alone his expletives of WTF!! ( he has a 79 series ).. I have towed my van along muddy river tracks with the crawl control activated, whilst still using the throttle with the centre diff locked in... so much more vehicle control, same as long dirt roads, my advice is to lock the centre diff, as it will give you a more sure footed drive. On that note, as the actuator is electronic, it is known that they can stick from time to time and wont either engage nor disengage, simply find a dirt road and engage it more often to keep it moving as this will help prevent this.. also, every now and then, unplug the wires into the socket ( located near the transfer case, you cant miss it ) and clean it with brake clean or what not to get any schmutz that has built up in it. The turn assist has been used in some tight spots and that i have gotten into, and dont use it on bitumen :) One last thing, dont panic when you here the ABS working as it can seem a bit noisy at first, but that is normal. I had to comment and share my experience as this is a very informative video for any one new to a 200 series. Cheers, Glen.
Thanks mate. They sure are a great system. For something that comes from factory, I've got no complaints here. Glad to hear you're happy with your system and hope to see you out on the tracks one day.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz aye aye!! back to WA asap.... one day... ...just watch if you get a center diff lock light flashing..roll forwards and back if it wont disengage ( sorry if im saying things you already knew about, im not a mind reader ) and check the plug.
Having made the transition from our loved Patrol to the 200 it was a learning curve, your video hits the right spot for us newbies to the 200, thanks
Cheers Steve. I’m glad you got some info from this video 👍 thanks for watching, cheers, Nathan.
Only just have bought my 200vx recently with the view of travelling around Oz (when all this madness is over), I found your video really helpful in giving me a basic understanding as to what those specific features are all about. Thanks for sharing and keep safe.
Thanks Jim, I'm glad this video could assist. I too am looking forward to when we can all get back out and enjoy the tracks. Looking forward to releasing some videos of the 200 out on the tracks.
Thanks for watching.
Cheers, Nathan.
Probably the best video I have seen explaining the use of the various offroading features an demonstrating their use, well done mate. Really enjoy your channel and hope to see you on the tracks one day.
Thanks Robert. I appreciate the comments and the support for the channel. I’m glad some people are getting some information from it 👍 all the best on on your travels and hope to catch you out there sometime 👍 cheers, Nathan.
I wish you knew how jealous I am in the US hearing that diesel
Haha, it's a great engine, can't believe they didn't release it in the US!
Same dude same
Oh definitely. I have an FJ here in the states and wish it had a diesel.
You know you guys could just import that engine and do an engine swap right?
There’s actually a company over here in the USA that does the engine swap for Tacoma’s and 4runners, they import the Diesel engines from the Toyota Hilux from Europe.
@@veliksami HOw’s that work with emissions controls, and please provide contact info for the company you’re referring to. Thanks,
Great video. I've witnessed crawl control on a tough and dangerous step up and it can literally be a life saver.
Mack F Cheers mate! 👍 I agree, great piece of kit.
I have a new VX and very grateful for this tutorial, very well explained and easy to follow. 👍🏽
4Xplore Glad it helped mate 👍 thanks for the feedback.
Just got a 2012 Sahara, great explanation video I had no idea how it all worked
thanks for this great tutorial
we bought our 2011 Sahara for towing a horse float
I am astounded how many things my girl can do
thanks again
greg
Very informative on the use of the 200’s systems. 👍👍
Thanks mate. Appreciate the comments.
Nice camp light on the snorkel
This was an excellent preso. Super clear and helpful.
Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Cheers, Nathan.
Great learning for us newbies. Thanks Nathan
Thanks mate, glad it could help.
Cheers, Nathan.
Well done absolutely good I just bought a 200 series 2020 model VX With all them bush button on it compare to my old 200 series Gxl love your episode to show to learn frm it thank you very much ! Well done for sharing!
Awesome, glad you enjoyed the video. All the best with you new 200!
Another great video I just finished watching the one where you were in the sand and showed how you were able to get out. And I liked when I heard you say you had another video to explain how that crawl control works. One other reason why you are having so much success in your off-road adventure is your tires. BF Goodrich makes absolutely the best off-road on road tire it is truly an all-terrain tire. I know a ton of people who has their four-wheel drives all tricked out and on the rare occasion that they do go four-wheeling or we get a good snowstorm and they cannot go nowhere they don't want to hear it's the tires. Most people shopping for new tires will go into the store point at a tire ask how much that tire is and not liking what they heard they will eventually buy the cheapest tires there. It's people right the ones following you here on TH-cam and of course yourself and I that understands that the vehicle does not matter if you don't have the proper tires. Now answer different story if you are dealing with more mud than anything else then you would need a good mud terrain tire.
I really really enjoyed when you were showing the different settings going up that little hill. I've never seen anybody do that before. I had often wondered if turning that wheel to different settings really made that much of a difference.
Another great video now that I have found you I'm looking forward for watching more of them. I made sure I hit the like button and subscribe button.
I agree mate, this is my 5th set of BFG tires (4 sets AT and 1 MT) and no problems so far. I know everyone has their opinion on tyre quality and reliability, but I have no reason to change if this is working for me. Tires and tire pressure are probably two of the most important considerations when 4x4'ing. Particularly in remote Australia, you don't want to be taking your chances with cheap modifications, including tires.
The different levels of traction control on these vehicle definitely make a big difference and it's quite clever how Toyota have created this system. A little bit of engineering magic in my opinion.
Thanks, Nathan.
@@XploringOz I can see why you your videos are so good. You understand all the parts of a vehicle. You also understand not going cheap. there's a few little things you could probably save money on but when it comes to your tires you have to have a great set. Like you said everyone has their own taste and there are other good tire manufacturers out there. It's just in mind and your opinion the BF Goodrich got it right. That's why if you look at off-brand they tried to copy BF Goodrich tire tread. That's when you know your number one when people copy the product you make and they will compare their product to yours.
I really enjoyed all your videos that I have watched so far.
I'm looking forward to watching more of you.
I'm from Philippines and im 4x4 enthusiasts i like how you present very detail, tnxs.
Thanks mate, appreciate that! I'm glad you are enjoying the content and I hope you enjoy the future videos to come. Cheers from Western Australia.
the best explanation of those features i have seen. thanks for uploading
Thanks mate, I appreciate that. Thanks for watching 👍 cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz do you know if the centre diff lock be engaged while driving? i understand you wouldn't engage if you had wheel/s spinning
Luke Vandeleur Yes, it can be activated while driving. But there is a threshold for speed. I believe it’s around the 40km/h mark.
Well that explained it a 100% better than the manual. Great video.
Thanks mate, glad it could help.
Cheers, Nathan.
Thank you, been looking for this
Glad you found it. Enjoy.
Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks for you’re videos are great very informative
Cheers mate, the feedback is much appreciated. Glad you are enjoying them 👍
Another informative vid. Cheers!!
Thanks mate! Appreciate it. Glad you are enjoying the channels content.
Cheers, Nathan.
Great video, should help many.
Thanks mate, appreciate it 👍
Great Vid! love it!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
Just bought a lc200 here in ca, headed to Moab next week. I must say your vids had some influence...Toyota send this man a commission check.
Awesome purchase mate, I hope you enjoy the new cruiser! Thanks for the feedback on the video's mate, I appreciate it.
Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks again for your Video 👍
No problems mate 👍
Good job
Australian land cruisers are just some special machines. I live in Zambia, Africa, and My dad got a land cruiser from Australia and has had it for almost 13 years. Till this day he has never had issues with anything. The 4WD and all other modes seem to be working just fine. However he got another Land Cruiser (same as your model) which are manufactured in South Africa. A simple bash to the rear end tire and the cars sensors went mad. Wipers started to only operate in fast mode and the whole AC unit had to be replaced. Now many people here are going back to the more reliable Australian SAHARA make.
It's good to hear that these models are standing up to the test over there. It's comforting to know that I've got a good one.
I wonder why the models available over there are soo different. I could imagine changes here and there, but nothing too major.
I hope your dad's LC continues on for some time to go!
Good place for social distancing ! Yep, your video was spot on. Unfortunately my 200 series does not have this functions installed. So what’s left is the fashion way, Diff locks. Have a nice day. Cheers
Cheers Holger. Which model of cruiser do you have? I'm assuming you will still have the traction control and crawl control functions, just maybe not the crawl control assist?
Cheers, Nathan.
XploringOz confirmative： 2012 Altitude . Rear diff lock installation in progress, then see how it goes. Cheers
Awesome, hope to see you out on the tracks sometime
Just found your channel,enjoyed watching.
Now my 2008 gxl is looking old compared to your newer sahara and doesn't have those cool features.
So i just have to drive like i stole it lol, still very capable truck.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the channel!
They are great vehicle's, new or old. Hopefully once the lockdown is finished, I'll get some videos up of it getting out and dirty!
Thanks your video is one of the most useful. Having always had Land cruisers I had found the 200's frustrating in the sand until now, naturally I hadn't read the manual :(
Thanks Michael, I appreciate that. I'm glad you have found it helpful and hopefully I can continue to release some more informative content. Cheers, Nathan.
I find that crawl control works best for me when descending a hill. Particularly a very steep hill with loose terrain, it has proven to be a very safe option in this situation. The turn assist is also very useful when descending in a similar situation, the track is steep and you need to negotiate switchbacks. If the terrain is loose I prefer not to apply the brakes to attempt a 3 point turn, the vehicle can lock up. Turn assist just takes me around the switchback, or at least into a better angle. Thanks for the video. PS I still want lockers at some point.
Thanks mate! Unfortunately, in Kalgoorlie where I live we don't have much in terms of hilly terrain or tight switch backs, but I'll definitely keep this in mind when 4WD'ing away.
I do agree, still can't beat a good locked set up, but Toyota's system is getting me through at the moment.
Thank for watching, glad you enjoyed the video.
Great video, I don’t have a land cruiser (but want a 200 series) but always wanted to know what the crawl control did. Cheers!
Awesome, glad you enjoyed it.
Cheers, Nathan. 👍
Nice instructional vid.👍
Glad you enjoyed it.
Cheers, Nathan.
very cool video excellent, i have a LC prado (LEXUS GX460) works very similar
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it.
Cheers, Nathan.
Very good tutorial on the electronic traction features of the LC200. I too, have a current model Sahara with those features. However, I was not happy with them as they are clunky and cause the vehicle to throw itself about uncontrollably in tough situations. I have now fitted ARB Front & Rear Air Lockers and I can tell you the difference is 'chalk & cheese'. By comparison, the Toyota system just doesn't cut it.
Thanks Rodney. For sure, there is always room for improvement with these systems, however I do believe that Toyota are definitely up there for their traction controlled system when compared to the current industry standard.
I too have come from a vehicle with diff locks and understand your observation of the difference. For me at the moment, this system is doing the job without having to spend the extra cash.
Appreciate the feedback and the support.
Cheers,
Nathan.
@@XploringOz Keep up the videos and the good work, Nathan. The 200 Sahara is a great 4WD. I'm having a love affair with mine and I can tell you, the relationship hasn't come cheap!
I think this vid will help many LC owners, well done 👍 Too often I see cruisers stuck with only two wheels turning. Rock mode FTW. I still reckon the ABS should kick in a bit sooner though
Cheers, thanks mate 👍 appreciate the feedback. It would be great if they could prevent wheel spin all together, but not complaining with the system that I’ve got. 👍Cheers, Nathan.
except mine Dave :-)
Awesome video mate they are pretty capable rigs with those systems, that crawl control makes a hell of a racket when it is engaged though. also Subbed mate cant wait to see more
Thanks mate 👍 appreciate it.
They do make a fair bit of noise, but they work well when it is activated.
Cheers man, I’ve been following your channel for a couple of years now, got some good stuff on there.
Thanks again, Nathan.
XploringOz thanks for the reply Nathan! You popped up in my feed hooked now it’s a hell of a rig mate.
Cheers man. I'm happy with this setup now, perfect for mild 4WD tracks and touring with the caravan and family.
XploringOz can’t ask for much more than that mate
After having seen this video I now have an even greater appreciation for the Land Rover Terrain Response system. Even the system used in the Discovery 3 seems to be smoother than any of the systems implemented by Toyota, even on a 2020 model cruiser.
🤷♂️
@@XploringOz Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking a shot at Toyota or the 200. We all know that as rudimentary and archaic as Toyota's systems may be, they will keep working long after the LR3 and 4 have rusted away or been broken for scrap metal. I was just noting that while the LR systems work, they work really well 😅
Great clip thankyou.
Thanks mate, appreciate it.
Had a safari company back in the late 90s called exploring oz
Hi. I enjoyed the video and learnt a few things. Re your comment on turn assist ... go back and look at the footage, your turning circle diameter looks to be about another car with wider not using turn control, where as when using TC the circle was tighter ... but with either turn you hound always com back to the same starting point. So to my eyes, TC worked a treat. I’ve just got a new LC200 and looking forward to testing it out and appreciated your input.
Thanks for watching mate! For sure, look it didn't do too bad at all. I guess for me, it's just one of those systems that doesn't get used too much in a real world situation commonly.
Otherwise, I'm very impressed with how Toyota have developed their systems!
Have fun with your cruiser mate, they are awesome vehicles and you won't be disappointed!
Cheers, Nathan.
Really enjoyed your video. I assumed using level 1 on the crawl control would get you out cleaner, but 4 works well. I'm putting together a video on the new LC300, could I use some of your footage of the LC200 using crawl control please?
I actually find the crawl control setting 1 way too slow. It causes the vehicle to jump around unless on extreme angles. Happy for you to use some footage, all I ask is that a watermark is included I the footage in regards to the clips source.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Thanks Nathan. I'll send you a link once its uploaded.
Bonjour merci encore pour vos astuces je suis un fan du tout terrain et associer vos astuces est un gain de temps énormes quand on ai bloque j'ai appris de vous merci bien
vous êtes le bienvenu. Je suis heureux que ces vidéos aient été utiles et j'apprécie les commentaires. tout le meilleur pour vos aventures
I’m a bit new to off-road and still learning about my 2010 Land Cruiser on what modes I can turn on/ use , wanted to ask about what exact modle yours is since my screen layout is different from yours , this might be too much to ask but if you can contact me personally so I can ask some questions about what mods I can do to my car like type of rims , tires , suspension and ect
Much appreciated.
Great video mate.......seems like a lot of stuffing around tbh and I would hate to see what would happen when the electrics start playing up....but it is the way all the vehicles are going now!
Cheers mate. Once you get the hang of it and become confident with the system, it is relatively quick and easy to operate. I'm hoping that I won't have to ever find out what happens if the electrics ever fail!
Thanks for watching, Nathan.
If you are driving in deep sand pulling a caravan? What settings would you use?
Great video mate...what size and style wheels are you running they look fantastic
Cheers mate, these are 305/65 18 BFG AT's on 18x9 Method NV305 wheels with +25 offset. Fit really well. I've actually got a video on my channel just about the wheels and tyres.
Cheers, Nathan.
What year vx had front camera from? Have a 2012 so wondered if was lost in the last owner adding bull bar?
Awesome thanks.
No problem, glad you enjoyed it.
hi gents
i own VXR 2020
you miss to mention that turning assist actually made to turn car outside the hole it made
avoiding to dig to lift the car
so car will jump out from its place smoothly specially rear tires
thanks
appreciate if you try it with camera in soft sand you will notice how car is drifting greatly
Crawl control can get out of a full bog with all wheels in their own holes from traction loss, seen it in sand happen a lot. Can get you out of anything basically
For sure, it's a great system. I've done couple of videos of this system in sand and it's worked super well!
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Dont forget the centre diff is a torsen diff. Its a torque multiplying diff. Leaving it unlocked it still performs exceptionally well and is very complimentary to the TC systems
Ray Hart or when you accidentally forget to turn it on 🤣😉
These vehicles sure have great systems that work well together 👍
@@DASHOffRoad damn you got me there:-)
G'day. Love the channel. This vid is excellent. Slightly random, but the 'chattering' noise made by the turbos under load at 9:04-9:08 and 9:38-9:42. Is that normal? Mine makes the same noise and always told my self the turbo impellers are rubbing or something haha. Have you ever thought the need to look into it? Cheers
I know how you feel. When I first purchased the vehicle I thought, this doesn't sound right. From all the research I've done, this is completely normal and I hear many other cruiser at the sound vintage do the same thing. I've yet to experience any issues and here's hoping nothing comes from it 🤞
Cheers, Nathan
Great video. What is the maximum speed crawl control will do?
Thanks mate, its about 10km/h 👍
I have a 22 Bronco Badlands and a 11 VXR 5.7 LC 200, Man the LC can do shit in ways, that the new cars sweat. LC is 👑
For sure mate, they are something impressive that's for sure! 👍
Try doing a 180° turn, measuring each time with/out Turn Assist, there's to many variables trying to do a 360°.
Great video. Not sure when to lock the centre diff.?????
Hi Leroy, this can be a little bit of a debate. Personally, I lock my centre diff whenever going off-road. I usually don't lock it on good quality unsealed roads and rely on the AWD system, but if the road gets rough, or I'm hitting any sort of 4WD track, centre diff lock is engaged.
Hope that helps.
Cheers, Nathan.
1)- I did try the turn assist on sand and it made a big difference, so you might be right when you say that the surface plays a bit part in the end result.
2)- The GX version doesn't have the terrain control, do you know which traction control map Toyota uses for such model?
Great Video, very well explained and I'm sure it'll be very helpful to many 200 series 4wders.
Thanks
Max Germasi Thanks Max for your comments 👍 glad you enjoyed the video.
Not sure which traction control setting Toyota use for their GX and GXL vehicles, I’m going to assume it’s going to be somewhere in the middle to try and cover as many terrains as possible.
Thanks again, Nathan.
Definitely much more effective in sand, the locking of the brake builds up a sand block in front of it, thus aiding effect.
What about mogul mode, personally I would have used that as that is what it is for, to prevent the most amount of wheel slip, however best explanation of the traction aids, Keep up the great work🤟👍👍
Thanks mate, appreciate the comments. I’m glad you enjoy the videos. 👍 cheers, Nathan.
Mogul mode is a very good mode. In this application not super necessary as it has high traction. Mogul mode is awesome if you need a bit of momentum. I find Rock and Rock/Dirt will pull power to try and assist traction control. Mogul mode doesnt control the engine power anywhere near as much so, is an advantage where the surface is slippery, and you need some momentum to pop up an obstacle
Thanks mate ... this was really useful, but I'm confused. You start by going up the hill saying you wont use the rear diff lock on Multi-Terrain settings (7:51), but on your second attempt at 8:53, the Diff Lock icon was illuminated on your dash. So which is it?
Cheers mate, I'm glad it helped out somewhat.
So you are correct and in fact this vehicle is not equipped with a rear diff lock. In this video, I'm only referring to the centre differential lock. This provides even power to front and rear axles, not between the individual axles. Part time 4WD vehicles won't have this function as they are true 2WD on road, however all time 4WD or AWD vehicle require a centre diff lock to assist.
I hope this makes sense.
Cheers, Nathan.
Ever thought about a front and/or rear locker?
I have, however I've been so impressed with these systems that I just haven't needed it just yet...
Awesome
Cheers mate.
Interesting video. I am going to do a video comparing the Ford F-150 to the LC 200 on specs. Do you prefer the Crawl Control tech to Front and Rear Lockers?
That comparison would be interesting 👍 I still think that twin locked would still be king, however I won’t be throwing that sort of money at the car with this system that works so well.
@@XploringOz I have a 122" wheel base regular cab F-150 FX-4 that weighs 4550 lbs dry. Has a 10 speed trans. A 395 hp V8, rear e-locker 9.75" axle, and a front 8.8" axle with a Torsen Diff. All factory for around $40,000 AUS. It tows 9700 lbs and with proper tires it can payload 3300 lbs. and they are both about the same width.
FABULOUS OFF ROAD DESIGNS That’s awesome mate. I wish we had access to these vehicles for that price in Australia, I reckon they would be quite popular. The import taxes and costs associate with right hand drive conversion pits these vehicles into the 100k AUD mark, which is hard to justify.
One of my dream vehicles in the F-150 Raptor. Maybe one day... 🤞
@@XploringOz $100,000 is about what a LC200 is here in Canada. (Our dollars are close to equal to Australian dollars). They are different yet so similar in so many ways.
hi thamks ....this is a very good video but my car is vxr and has not vcs botton ....so my car has that or not? cuse you told in another video it has without botton ?thank you so much friesnd (sorry ...my english is not good)
Thanks mate. Hmm, so I'm not too familiar with the VXR variant. My advice would be to test the vehicle off-road and see if there is any ABS intervention. If so, there must be another way to deactivate this setting.
Cheers 👍
Hey mate, can you do a video in trades to the KDSS?
I'll add it to my list mate.
Cheers, Nathan.
It would have been nice if the dealer I bought my 200 series through had shown me this. Instead I had to go bush and work it out for my self, never quite sure if i was doing it correctly. They take your money and can't get you out of the door quickly enough. Interestingly, just days prior to my warranty expiring, the centre diff light started to come on intermittently on cold starts. Once the engine was stopped after a few minutes running all was back to normal. When this centre light event happened it negated the cruise control and low range application, and as I was about to undertake yet another Nullarbor trip it needed to be fixed. I phoned the dealership and organised for it to be looked at, making sure that when I took it to them the centre diff light was engaged. I was phoned several hours later and told to pick the car up, they could find nothing wrong with it. I was not happy about this, and as I questioned the "service adviser" he suggested to me that I just disconnect the light !!!!! (Yes, really !) Had I done this it would still have left me without cruise control or low range. I took the car to another Toyota dealership under the same banner (AHG) and within half an hour the service manager phoned me and told me that it was an actuator in the transmission, an apparent $3000 part (which required approval from head office to replace!) and would take anywhere up to 7 weeks to be done. Fortunately for me it took only about ten days. The transmission was then good until several months ago, now with 180K km on board the problem recently re-emerged. I took the vehicle out into bushland and attempted to engage the centre diff, and at first it engaged somewhat reluctantly. I ran the car for a distance in low range then disengaged the system. With each subsequent re-engagement the centre diff engagement became more positive and audible in its engagement, so I carried out the whole procedure about ten times. Since then the problem has not re-occurred. May be a case of "If you don't use it you lose it ". Just glad I didn't go the $3000 (+ labour) replacement route. Many thanks for your video.
Mate, sounds like you've had a bit of a run a round there. I'm glad to hear that you did eventually get it sorted and that you didn't have to pay the originally quote $3k bill.
I guess it does make sense that if those actuators aren't used often they would may seize up. Good bit of advice there, making sure these systems are used from time to time to keep it all fresh and in good working order.
Thanks for watching, hopefully we'll see you out there on the tracks one day.
Cheers, Nathan.
Im kind of old school and have had 4wd with open diffs and also selectable lockers - one of the techniques to get the most out of open diffs was to drive through the brakes - a poor mans traction control i expect? Im interested to know if using this old technique can modify the now so super smart traction control - when its just not cutting it ?? Give me a manually operated double diff locked vehicle any day but - they are now a thing of the past !!
Hey mate, to be completely honest I haven't tried this. My guess would be two fold, one I believe that the vehicle wouldn't allow the brakes/engine to fight under heavy load and would likely electronically reduce power output (not tested), secondly, I would imagine the traction control to be more effective than this.
Again, would be more than happy for someone to prove me wrong as again, I haven't personally tested this.
Let me know if you find any information on this 👍
Cheers, Nathan.
Like see it used parking at Coles
Does any of the Landcruisers have LSD or Locker differentials? Or are they both front and rear open diffs?
These Landcruisers do have a rear LSD, but lockers do not come standard on these models.
@@XploringOz Thanks mate
In the last shot of your intro, is that called wave rock?
Sure is 👍 Nice little place in the Wheatbelt.
@@XploringOz ah yep, I've been there once upon a time haha. Pretty odd place for sure
Hello,
I also live in Kalgoorlie and just brought a new 200 vx, still stock standard at the moment. Just wondering where is a good place nearby like this that I can take it to test out the crawl control and kdss.
Thank you.
Hey mate, like the choice of vehicle!
So this video was filmed at the top end of Graeme Street. There is a gravel pit out that way which has a few inclines with alternating wheel holes allowing for full flex and good tests for crawl control.
Otherwise the telecom tower south of town can also be a good place, however it's general more rocky down that way.
Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks for your reply,
went and checked it out this morning and I was quite impressed with the 200’s crawl control system it made it up everything I threw at it with ease.
is the crawl control function available in the older 2009 model?
Yes, there is still crawl control in these models, however the software is a little different. There is only 3 speed settings, rather than 5 and the system is a little more 'clunky' in it's operation, but still a good system 👍
does crawl control make a strange braking noise? tried it once but nervous it was malfunctioning
Yes mate. The crawl control activates the ABS system which is quite loud inside the cab of the vehicle. This is completely normal and won't damage the vehicle.
I believe some of the newer models have managed to reduce to volume of these systems.
Hey Mate, when you’re driving on a corrugated gravel/dirt road. What settings do you use? Cheers AJ
Hey mate, so it will depend on how bad the road is. Generally, I will engage the centre diff lock. This will just help provide more evenly distributed traction around the vehicle.
My biggest tip is tyre pressure. Adjusting your tyre pressure to suit will be your best option. Reducing tyre pressure will assist in taking out the harsh ride over corrugations and also provide extra traction should you need it. Just keep in mind, the lower the pressure the slower you will have to drive to prevent the tyre temp's getting too high.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Thanks Nathan, yeah was wondering how the traction control works with gravel slip etc. We just upgraded from a 30 yr old 80 to the 200 and there is a lot of buttons/tech. Looking forward to our first propper trip in it. Keep those vids coming 🤙 cheers AJ
@@ajcamperspantry5069 Sure is, so much technology and electronics to get your head around. Once you have some practice with them, they do become second nature and they work very well.
All the best with your new adventures, hopefully we'll see you out there one day. Cheers
Can you use crawl control without center diff lock?
Yes, I believe you can, however it would be more effective and less taxing on the vehicle with the centre engaged 👍
Does that turn assist have any practical use? I mean why not just pull a three point turn?
Yeah, I guess it’s practicability is very limited. Personally not something I use very often, but glad to know it works to some degree 👍
Nice helpful video but you should do a little research on the center diff a LC200 has. It is a torsen unit with a rear bias. Toyota has published a technical paper on why they did this. In short a rear torque bias helps avoid drama when driving on slick surfaces on the road. So the bit about it sending more power to the front is incorrect. Otherwise, great stuff.
Thanks mate, noted. Maybe I'll stick the off-road systems.
Cheers, Nathan.
My 14 lc v6 is missing the tc button. Any advise on how to turn it off?
Hmm, does traction control activate normally when wheels are slipping? Do you think the button has been removed by a previous owner, or just unable to find it? The reason I ask is that there might be an electronic way to disable the system.
@@XploringOz haven’t tried slipping the wheels. However the previous owner only drove the car for 20k miles before I got it and hasn’t done any changes to it. It’s a base model lc. Any advise on how to fixing a switch to disable tc?
That sounds VERY complicated. In the old Disco, I locked the axels and the wheels, and all four corners held the samme speed. Is this Toyota system any better than that, really. Apart from adding an automatic gearbox, a computer and a ton of sensors to a car?!
It is a little complicated, but it is easy enough to use when you get the hang of it.
For sure, twin locked axles would be awesome, but this system does well, especially considering its a Toyota factory designed system. All in all, I’m happy with how it works. Each to their own 👍
Thanks for watching, Nathan.
That's awesome not being a smart arse or anything but i'd put my money where my mouth is that i could go anywhere the 200 goes in my stock 1982 hilux without any fancy gadgets :-) love the videos buddy i just subscribed :-)
Cheers mate! I reckon those older models could definitely give these weighted beasts a run for their money. Maybe I'll see you out there one day and we can test it out! Thanks mate, Nathan.
will the transmission tune up & lock up kit interfere with the crawl control system?
Negative, the speeds are too low. The transmission only uses 1st gear, so a remap won’t effect it. Even if you have a lock up kit that engages at that low speed, you can easily disable it for the test. 👍
@@XploringOz understood, thanks for replying man. i wonder if it's better to lock up the torque converter during crawl control operation. it'll behave like a normal dry clutched manual trans. 😀
@@QAT4969 To be honest, I haven't tried manually locking up at these low speeds. Personally my belief is that the ride would be rough, due to the traction control continuously activating and 'shuddering' the drivetrain. Further, there is a chance the engine may even stall if enough resistance is placed on the drivetrain by the traction control system. Something I might try out in a future video though.
To be honest, in this test, the gearbox temps were well within operating temps and given the low speed there really isn't much force exerted on the torque convertor.
ah yes..the shuddering effect from the brakes during crawl control operation. yeahhh..maybe not advisable to do so. thanks for your reply man..appreciate it.
@@QAT4969 No problems mate 👍
With all that off-road technology, did you ever feel like you need to add a rear or front locking diff?
Hema Nigansz Personally, I won’t be adding any diff locks. Although in my opinion, diff locks would be better again, I don’t think I need them for my application and this system provides such good traction as it is, I believe I can self recover, by winch or other means.
I reckon the difference between this system and diff locks would be minimal and the money could be better used on other mods to improve the ‘Offroad ability’ of the vehicle.
XploringOz well said, I am excited to buy a 200 series, the best vehicle Toyota has.
I’m curious why doesn’t the 200 not have a rear locker like a Prado? It seems our Prado Kakadu has nearly identical centre locker, MTS and crawl systems with the addition of a rear locker, am I missing something or does that mean the Prado actually has more 4wd tech than the 200?
Yeah, not sure why the 200 series didn't come out with a rear diff lock, but keep in mind this is a 2014 model, so it's getting on in age.
How much is this vehicle worth in your country in USD?
Current conversion rates, this would be about $83k USD for the Sahara model (top of the range) which I believe is the only model sold in the states?
And then ya get in the GX and none of this is needed and the one TC mode drives straight through all of it without all the complicated buttons and switching modes …
The world would be a boring place if we all wanted the same thing right? 🤷♂️
The cars would have been much better had they come with a factory rear locker.
Potentially, but this awesome traction control system means that we can invest the money on other modifications on the vehicle and still have a very capable 4WD
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Driver does not know that momentem is every thing
Of course momentum is everything, however you start accelerating heavily at obstacles like this where tyres are lifting and spinning wheels, you are going to significantly wear drivelines and CV axle components when they hit the ground and go from spinning fast to a sudden stop....
Why stress mechanical components when you can gentle crawl up difficult obstacles and provides mechanical sympathy...?
@@XploringOz 100% mate always one fool on the thread; keep up the great work mate I’m buying a 200 convinced me haha
@@ADayInTheLifeOfJames Haha, cheers mate.
I get so frustrated with this, a good driver can do everything this electronics can do with an older live or solid axle vehicle with good travel that kept all the wheels on the ground.Noooooooo excess electronics after corrigation no 100000000000 or sand hill no 1000 in the Simpson desert it won’t really help you .understanding throttle control and manually managing traction was one of the first things I was taught now
we get the car to do it but do we learn to drive!
I understand where you are coming from and totally agree that 4WD’ers need that underlying knowledge, skill and experience to successful and safely traverse different terrains.
However saying this, I don’t agree that these systems are all frustrating or counter-intuitive. The new cars these days are built with independent suspension to provide far superior handling on road (compared to live axle vehicles), and these electronics give it the ability to handle great off-road.
I guarantee you that an open differential 4WD will not make it up this hill in the same circumstances without $$$ spent on suspension, often at the cost of on-road handling. I know this as I own a 105 series 4.2L Landcruiser and it doesn’t.
Further, having these electronic systems, as mentioned in the video not only provide the vehicle huge mechanical sympathy in the form of reduce momentum, but also help protect our tracks and trails by avoiding unnecessary wheel spin.
Unfortunately so many people dislike these systems without any real basis apart from “back in my day, I had to actually drive the vehicle” or “electronics always fail” etc.
You can’t buy a live axle vehicle without electronics (again without $$$ modifications) with the reliability, part availability, power, torque and comfort of a Toyota VDJ V8.