PingSkills Hey ....i had heard somewhere thaht even wood rackets are going to be banned from 2015,i also hear plastic rackets would replace wood ...if thats true what do you think will be the impact on the rubbers on plastic blades?
The plastic racket article is clearly a joke, and supposed to be a jab at the change to the new ball. If you didn't figure that out on your own the author follows the article with (and I quote): "For those that haven’t figured it out, this article is a satire"
HII Ping skills i need your help can u please tell me Sports 101 Shield 3 Star Ping Pong Ball or check out it is avilable in flipkart.com is it good for play table tennis. PLEASE HELP ME .
I always thought that there couldn't be much difference in the tt balls, but when my friend came over to play with his Nittaku SHA balls they didn't have the same sound or bounce as my Nittaku Premium ones and even the Palio ones were not as easy to spin with as the NP balls (I also noticed over a course of about 3-4 months that Buterfly balls would get cracked far more than Nittaku ones)
Hi jeet,now for rubber,you now need a grippy as possible topsheet.You need a medium to hard sponge, soft is out now dead feel, and i would tend to lean towards a harder sponge.With my coaching we have been doing extensive work in this area.Have found the new rakza x fantastic for the new ball, we haven't found better yet although the boys with tenergy 05 are still producing very good results as this has always been a harder stiffer type rubber which was to springy for the old ball but now with the new slower ball you now have better control with the 05,remember try to get harder grippy top sheet as in rakza x, and harder sponge rakza x we love it.
Unless you've already beat up the nittaku ball in games and drills I think it's a "formality sake" thing to test the roundness by spinning it on the table. I mean have you seen the video on how they make these nittaku balls? They check literally each ball. It's not going to be a 3 star if it has just a minor issue with it.
jajaja, i used for first time this new plastic ball, is almost imposible to make errors(put the ball inside the table) comapre with the celuloide ball... the plastic ball.. for me has much less speed. but the sound is HORRIBLE.. looks like as you bought it at wal mart.. for 1 cent..
In the 4 test rallies(without sound), I would guess you used the plastic ball in the 1st and 3rd rally, because the ball seems to bounce a little bit more. I could be wrong though; the difference is very slight. The plastic ball not being as round as the celluloid could just be a coincidence, I think the ball manufacturers will able to produce perfectly round plastic balls as well.
I played with both the Nittaku, and Nittaku plastic...I also found the plastic bounces higher, and I felt it was a tad slower than the other ball. Spin, I found no difference between the two. The higher bounce may favor offensive players more than defensive players. I still like the older ball better, but still like the new plastic ball. I believe technology will get better and the plastic balls will be improved :)
Great job guys. I've felt for a while now that people are overreacting to this change. Looked like to me the differences where splitting hairs outside of the ball roundness test. I should add a ball not being perfectly round isn't a poly ball issue. It's a manufacturing/quality issue. There are plenty of celluloid balls out there that are not round. That problem is easily correctable. I agree with the guys that in no time flat, we will all adjust and play will be largely the same.
I have also tried the New palio 40 mm ball and i noticed also that it wobbles too much. i saw the wobbles when i threw the ball on the racket while the racket was in an angle so the ball Bounces upwards i noticed right away that the ball wobbles.. not good..
Excellent review, very well done. Thanks for putting this together. There's a lot of discussion around whether or not this new ball will be a disadvantage for choppers/denfensive players. Any thoughts on that?
It's hard to tell until it's released and everyone starts playing with it. My guess though is that it won't make any difference. It's still going to be a hard game for choppers.
hi jeet here it is,neither carbon or wood,what you should look for is a stiff blade and a hard blade to compensate for slower speed, topspin is slower with a lack of spin, counterhitting back in with the new game now relying on closer to the table play with massive influence with placement and being prepared for shorter serves. Now the slower you play the higher the ball sits up and your opponent says thanks, so now you have to learn to get to those serves quicker and flick quicker.Now you can wait a little longer for the approaching ball and have lots more time on the slower balls so you now need that harder snappy bat for in close work.Loops now die a lot quicker so be careful as they will not bounce as high when they hit on your side and will tend to go under your bat.
There are still mixed reviews about the roundness. They are now using the new plastic balls in some tournaments so hopefully they will keep improving and everyone will be happy!
Good day PingSkills. When the celluloid ball was used, the rule was the ball shall bounce up 24-26 cm (9.4-10.2 in) when dropped from a height of 30.5 cm (12.0 in). Since the change to the plastic ball, has the rule changed? I'm asking, because I'm noticing a big difference in bounce for the DHS plastic balls compared to the other plastic balls like the Xushaofa plastic ball.
Great question. I'm not really sure about this. Would you please ask this on the PingSkills website and we can see if anyone has the answer? Thanks :) www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum/ask
The chinese dominated the sports with speed glue and ball size (the speed of the game is so fast). by changing the ball and its size ... the game became slower giving chance to others to keep up and letting them to at least rally. this also makes table tennis "better" to watch for the viewers. but its less fun for the players
Hi Alois, Can you please suggest if Carbon Blades or Wooden blades are better against a plastic ball. I have heard rumors telling Wooden Blade would be better as compared to carbon composite blades.
Hi JEET MUKHERJEE, Neither are better, it is really a personal preference. If you currently prefer wooden blades then stick with that, if you currently prefer carbon blades then stick with that.
Thank you so much, I currently use Tibhar Inferno but was thinking of upgrading to Timo Boll Spirit so thought of asking the question. I think I can choose a wooden one as well, specially Tibhar Stratus Power Wood. Glad if you had inputs.
JEET MUKHERJEE We are not really equipment experts. My only advice is to see if you can try out the combination beforehand if you know someone who uses it. Once you have a decent combination though, it's the training that counts! :)
Nice video! But what about the spin generated with the plastic? There are discussions about the spin and people say that the spin with the plastci ball will be less. Do you agree?
The plastic ball (in contrast to the celluloid balls) seems to stop in mid air once it bounces off the table. Plus when I do my forehand top spin, I can't lend force from in the incoming plastic ball, and I must 1. use my own brutal force when I am in mid distance from the table to sustain the same powerful play and 2. lean forward more as the plastic one seems to bounce up in different angles randomly. I play mid range top spin, and this is certainly not that fun for me.
I see a couple of people asking what the new ball will sound like when it's cracked. When was the last time you saw a celluloid ball that started cracking anywhere other than the seam? Since this new ball doesn't have seams, maybe a better question is 'will it crack'?
In Table Tennis, when you hit the net on a server it's a re-serve. Right? But in the middle of a play and it hits the net and goes over, does that point count? Or also a re-serve.
I have a yenhi 40+ plastic ball(seamless) Can you please tell me whats the difference between seamed and seamless balls. And please tell me about the durability of the new plastic ball compared to old celluloid ball
Hi Anirudh Verma, The seamless balls are better for table tennis as they don't have the seam so it doesn't affect the bounce. As for the durability of the new plastic balls, most people are reporting a lot more breaks. Hopefully the manufacturers will keep developing them and solve this issue.
+PingSkills the documentation stated that the end goal will be the plastic ball will perform similar to the celluloid in terms of everything such as rebound, roundness and etc. mr. samsonov on the other hand ask the ittf to give a little bit in terms of flexibility for the manufacturer little more freedom so they can make it durable. i'm using xu shao fa balls and its pretty durable although it still slower than celluloid. i wonder dhs ball can end up the same.
Hi, Can you help me find information? in 80's I started to play TT and my father bought me Nittaku 5 star ball with blue letters (that is what I remember), I crashed it later and never got another one. I can't find anything on the net about 5 star Nittaku like that ball never existed. Is my mind remember wrong or in that period were 5 star Nittaku balls. I remember that it ha almost no sound and that they were very lite. Is that true? I am bashing my head over it for a long time.
Hmmm, interesting. I only remember Nittaku having 3 star balls. Try asking on our forum and we'll see if anyone else has more information - www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum
My apology for limited knowledge on the 40mm table tennis balls. Looks like they are making: (1) 40mm celluloid balls with seam (until superseded). (2) 40mm poly or plastic seamless balls, I'd like to know. (1) What is meant by 40mm + on some balls made by some manufacturer? Please clarify what the + sign means. I've searched the net but no one seems caring enough to explain this point. (2) Are there any more variations besides these two types? Thanks in advance.
Wing Lau That is a good question and I'm not sure of the answer. If you like you can ask this using the ask the coach section of the PingSkills website and we'll then open this up to our readers and I'm sure we'll get an answer.
Hello, I found this information on a Chinese website. 40 is the old celluloid 40+ means new material (plastic) ball. Also, with the new material there are only 3 factories in the world, one factory is for DHS, double fish, Butterfly... And they are seamed. One factory is for Xushaofa, Palio... and they are seamless. One factory is of course Nittaku in Japan and they only manufacture one ball (other two in China).
Sorry for the late reply, but the + sign means that the plastic balls are just a bit larger than the old celluloid balls, going to approximately 40.5 millimeters.
I yesterday destroyed three plastic balls in one game. That never happened before with the old type of balls in years. So either those ones didn't have the quality and a more advanced type of plastic balls should have been used or plastic balls just aren't that resistant. If that's the case, then the whole reason to use those type of balls is more or less obsolete. Any other experiences here?
I have had the same problem with the new ball breaking. Tibhar were useless and Nittaku SHA not so good either. The Nittaku Premium, though, seems to be unbreakable, plus it seems plays really nice, more like the old ball.
I stockpiled celluloid balls and still use them. Have manufacturers somehow improved the spin on these plastic balls yet? I don't even want to try them. Anyone?
Yes Yudhistira Sulaeman, if they don't get the ball to be perfectly round, it will be an issue. I believe they will sort this out before the balls are to be used in ITTF competitions.
Double Fish and Double Happiness (DHS) 3 stars are pretty good cheap Chinese balls, but make sure don't get the fake ones. They are about 1/3 the price of Japanese balls (Nittaku and Buterfly). I don't really recommend European balls.
xxxlittleGremlinxxx the stars denote the quality of the ball. 1 star balls are less likely to be a perfect sphere and be made of lower quality material. These will affect the consistency of its bounce. 3 star balls are made sturdier, and one 3 star ball will be less likely to differ greatly from the next in terms of shape and bounce.
In my opinion,the main reason of the change is only the profit for the manufacturers. Two weeks ago i visited the German National Championship. Unbelievable how fast and easy that ball breaks. Had the feeling,that nearly two balls broke in every match. If the players hit the edge of their racket by a faster stroke,the probability that the ball breaks was 90%. The quality is a joke. It´s only to make money...in a sport like football,they would never do a change like that. Especially if it changes the game a little bit. One of my teammate play´s there too and often change from plastic to celluloid. I haven´t nearly the "feeling for the ball" like he does,but he says that it makes a different for him everytime. Maybe for professional players it could be more difficult by reason of their style to play. On the whole I hate the change,cause it makes no sense to me.
Thanks for sharing your experiences PlatzvomMax. We can only hope that the manufacturers improve the quality of the ball and that it also becomes cheaper.
I heard the new ball material is more eco-friendly and cheaper to manufacture, which is probably the reason. I've also heard the new balls tend to crack more easily though, probably because the new technology is not mature enough yet.
Hi Paul Armel, I heard the same reasons as Aron Lee although the new plastic balls seem to be more expensive at the moment. Hopefully the price will come down and the quality will go up!
I don't really get this. I mean how much damage could it actually do to the environment? There are surely bigger problems than the celluloid ball. I hate the new ball and I heard that it will take somewhere around 5 years to develop a plastic ball being similar to the celluloid one.
Yep^ . They want to introduce a market with faster rubbers. There would be no need for faster rubbers past tenergy and esn tensors with the old ball. Therefore, slow the game down. Introduce faster rubbers and make people feel the need for them.
The real reason money. A board member of ITTF ball testing and approval committee Dr. Joacchim Kuhn behind the report on how great the plastic balls has a MAJOR conflict of interest. Dr. Kuhn's wife Sook Yoo is one of two patent holders on the new plastic balls. The Kuhn's are making money on every 40+ ball sold. The new balls are slower and have less spin.
I like your review! In my country, Russia, there was a test also uploaded to youtube, where they came to a conclusion that the plastic ball is harder to spin, that it is harder to give much spin, e. g. with a backhand brushing movement. That test was made at the end of 2013. Here you say it is more grippy. So that plastic ball is alright as far as its spin characteristics go?
Apart of my died when you played with the new plastic ball it you can hear how its "broken" but its not. Ive growned up with as soon as you hear that sounds its ENYOING and bad! And you yell at people to throught it in the trash since it broken... Will stop playing if they change to that ball
Well Ive was on a Tourney this weakend and the ball dont sound the same as this one you used did. It dident sound diffrent at all. But it cracked easy as hell. Only on the warmup 17 balls broke on 3 tables... thats 17 balls in 10 min on 3 tables.... Our club wont be able to buy that many balls when they cost allmost dubble as the old once. And they break 10 times more easy. So maybe will have to quit anyway since our club might have to end
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This is the best way to review anything! Great job guys! You covered all the aspects! Great video :)
Thanks Parakram Basnet
I'm glad you liked the review.
PingSkills Hey ....i had heard somewhere thaht even wood rackets are going to be banned from 2015,i also hear plastic rackets would replace wood ...if thats true what do you think will be the impact on the rubbers on plastic blades?
Riwaz Marhatta I don't think that's true so there's no need to worry about that.
The plastic racket article is clearly a joke, and supposed to be a jab at the change to the new ball. If you didn't figure that out on your own the author follows the article with (and I quote): "For those that haven’t figured it out, this article is a satire"
HII Ping skills i need your help can u please tell me Sports 101 Shield 3 Star Ping Pong Ball or check out it is avilable in flipkart.com is it good for play table tennis.
PLEASE HELP ME .
Why test a Palio brand ball? The ball quality is linked to the brand in most cases.
Always played with the old balls. I tried new ones a while back, it was so much different. And I had a really hard time.
I always thought that there couldn't be much difference in the tt balls, but when my friend came over to play with his Nittaku SHA balls they didn't have the same sound or bounce as my Nittaku Premium ones and even the Palio ones were not as easy to spin with as the NP balls
(I also noticed over a course of about 3-4 months that Buterfly balls would get cracked far more than Nittaku ones)
Hi jeet,now for rubber,you now need a grippy as possible topsheet.You need a medium to hard sponge, soft is out now dead feel, and i would tend to lean towards a harder sponge.With my coaching we have been doing extensive work in this area.Have found the new rakza x fantastic for the new ball, we haven't found better yet although the boys with tenergy 05 are still producing very good results as this has always been a harder stiffer type rubber which was to springy for the old ball but now with the new slower ball you now have better control with the 05,remember try to get harder grippy top sheet as in rakza x, and harder sponge rakza x we love it.
Unless you've already beat up the nittaku ball in games and drills I think it's a "formality sake" thing to test the roundness by spinning it on the table. I mean have you seen the video on how they make these nittaku balls? They check literally each ball. It's not going to be a 3 star if it has just a minor issue with it.
Have you ever considered that the less "roundness" of the plastic ball is due to your first test of pushing your fingers in the balls at first?
Yes, no should always do roundness, high bounce ... before any strength test or pressure test
jajaja, i used for first time this new plastic ball, is almost imposible to make errors(put the ball inside the table) comapre with the celuloide ball...
the plastic ball.. for me has much less speed.
but the sound is HORRIBLE.. looks like as you bought it at wal mart.. for 1 cent..
I really wish this was an early model of nittaku sha. Ohh boy, those things were eggs 😂
You guys need to get a lot more lighting equipment for much better video quality, especially in the high frame rate shots.
Thanks for your feedback.
In the 4 test rallies(without sound), I would guess you used the plastic ball in the 1st and 3rd rally, because the ball seems to bounce a little bit more. I could be wrong though; the difference is very slight. The plastic ball not being as round as the celluloid could just be a coincidence, I think the ball manufacturers will able to produce perfectly round plastic balls as well.
It's been a while since we filmed this so I can't remember any more which rally used which ball. :(
Great review! Do you know when are we going to have to play with these balls?
I played with both the Nittaku, and Nittaku plastic...I also found the plastic bounces higher, and I felt it was a tad slower than the other ball. Spin, I found no difference between the two. The higher bounce may favor offensive players more than defensive players. I still like the older ball better, but still like the new plastic ball. I believe technology will get better and the plastic balls will be improved :)
Thanks for sharing your experience with the new plastic balls Mike D. It's good to get a wide range of opinions.
Great job guys. I've felt for a while now that people are overreacting to this change. Looked like to me the differences where splitting hairs outside of the ball roundness test. I should add a ball not being perfectly round isn't a poly ball issue. It's a manufacturing/quality issue. There are plenty of celluloid balls out there that are not round. That problem is easily correctable. I agree with the guys that in no time flat, we will all adjust and play will be largely the same.
Thanks Steve Soper
I have also tried the New palio 40 mm ball and i noticed also that it wobbles too much. i saw the wobbles when i threw the ball on the racket while the racket was in an angle so the ball Bounces upwards i noticed right away that the ball wobbles.. not good..
Excellent review, very well done. Thanks for putting this together. There's a lot of discussion around whether or not this new ball will be a disadvantage for choppers/denfensive players. Any thoughts on that?
It's hard to tell until it's released and everyone starts playing with it. My guess though is that it won't make any difference. It's still going to be a hard game for choppers.
hi jeet here it is,neither carbon or wood,what you should look for is a stiff blade and a hard blade to compensate for slower speed, topspin is slower with a lack of spin, counterhitting back in with the new game now relying on closer to the table play with massive influence with placement and being prepared for shorter serves.
Now the slower you play the higher the ball sits up and your opponent says thanks, so now you have to learn to get to those serves quicker and flick quicker.Now you can wait a little longer for the approaching ball and have lots more time on the slower balls so you now need that harder snappy bat for in close work.Loops now die a lot quicker so be careful as they will not bounce as high when they hit on your side and will tend to go under your bat.
plastic ball is similar to the bulk balls that you buy at kmart or big w. save money, use those instead.
when you're watching the video and someone enters the room at 4:21
haha :)
Can u do a video on sidespin chop/push especially on returning them thankyou.
We have these on our website under the strokes & techniques section of our lessons page. Just look for the lessons on the "push" stroke.
Thankyou for this AWESOME review. Have the balls gone under commercial production now? And are the balls now rounder in shape?
There are still mixed reviews about the roundness. They are now using the new plastic balls in some tournaments so hopefully they will keep improving and everyone will be happy!
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Good day PingSkills. When the celluloid ball was used, the rule was the ball shall bounce up 24-26 cm (9.4-10.2 in) when dropped from a height of 30.5 cm (12.0 in). Since the change to the plastic ball, has the rule changed? I'm asking, because I'm noticing a big difference in bounce for the DHS plastic balls compared to the other plastic balls like the Xushaofa plastic ball.
Great question. I'm not really sure about this. Would you please ask this on the PingSkills website and we can see if anyone has the answer? Thanks :) www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum/ask
Which ball is better seam or seamless
It probably only lasts an hour of use before it needs replacing
by the way PingSkills what playing equipment do you guys use??? Your blade and rubbers?? ( both Jeff Plumb and Alois Rosario's equipment)
Alois was a ping skills touch blade
And both the rubbers are Xiom Vega Pro
So why the change to a plastic ball?
+pbsmick to handicapped chinese?
Christian What do you mean
The chinese dominated the sports with speed glue and ball size (the speed of the game is so fast).
by changing the ball and its size ... the game became slower giving chance to others to keep up and letting them to at least rally.
this also makes table tennis "better" to watch for the viewers.
but its less fun for the players
They were setting on fire in warehouses thats one of the reasons they changed
Fire safety cellulose was also banned on airplanes for shipment.
Which one will be used on Olympic Games?
Plastic ball
Anyone know if an orange ball is on the way?
Show how to do the kenta matsudiara serve
Is the out of roundness of the plastic ball a quality control issue in manufacturing? Were both of your balls ITTF approved?
Hi Alois,
Can you please suggest if Carbon Blades or Wooden blades are better against a plastic ball. I have heard rumors telling Wooden Blade would be better as compared to carbon composite blades.
Hi JEET MUKHERJEE,
Neither are better, it is really a personal preference. If you currently prefer wooden blades then stick with that, if you currently prefer carbon blades then stick with that.
Thank you so much, I currently use Tibhar Inferno but was thinking of upgrading to Timo Boll Spirit so thought of asking the question. I think I can choose a wooden one as well, specially Tibhar Stratus Power Wood. Glad if you had inputs.
JEET MUKHERJEE We are not really equipment experts. My only advice is to see if you can try out the combination beforehand if you know someone who uses it. Once you have a decent combination though, it's the training that counts! :)
4:23 balls
Lol
Any site where we can start buying those balls?
Nice video! But what about the spin generated with the plastic? There are discussions about the spin and people say that the spin with the plastci ball will be less. Do you agree?
I don't think there was a noticeable difference in the amount of spin you could generate.
Could you guys upload more frequently
We certainly hope to. We've filmed quite a few lessons that we are hoping to upload over the next few weeks. Stay tuned.
The plastic ball (in contrast to the celluloid balls) seems to stop in mid air once it bounces off the table. Plus when I do my forehand top spin, I can't lend force from in the incoming plastic ball, and I must 1. use my own brutal force when I am in mid distance from the table to sustain the same powerful play and 2. lean forward more as the plastic one seems to bounce up in different angles randomly. I play mid range top spin, and this is certainly not that fun for me.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I see a couple of people asking what the new ball will sound like when it's cracked. When was the last time you saw a celluloid ball that started cracking anywhere other than the seam? Since this new ball doesn't have seams, maybe a better question is 'will it crack'?
In Table Tennis, when you hit the net on a server it's a re-serve. Right?
But in the middle of a play and it hits the net and goes over, does that point count? Or also a re-serve.
In the middle of rally play continues.
PingSkills ok thx.
I have a yenhi 40+ plastic ball(seamless)
Can you please tell me whats the difference between seamed and seamless balls.
And please tell me about the durability of the new plastic ball compared to old celluloid ball
Hi Anirudh Verma,
The seamless balls are better for table tennis as they don't have the seam so it doesn't affect the bounce. As for the durability of the new plastic balls, most people are reporting a lot more breaks. Hopefully the manufacturers will keep developing them and solve this issue.
Take a look at this from the ITTF. www.ittf.com/stories/pictures/Plastic_balls_Q_A_v2.pdf
+PingSkills the documentation stated that the end goal will be the plastic ball will perform similar to the celluloid in terms of everything such as rebound, roundness and etc. mr. samsonov on the other hand ask the ittf to give a little bit in terms of flexibility for the manufacturer little more freedom so they can make it durable. i'm using xu shao fa balls and its pretty durable although it still slower than celluloid. i wonder dhs ball can end up the same.
+AcheLone Interesting points. I do hope that the plastic balls will continue to improve.
Hi, Can you help me find information? in 80's I started to play TT and my father bought me Nittaku 5 star ball with blue letters (that is what I remember), I crashed it later and never got another one. I can't find anything on the net about 5 star Nittaku like that ball never existed. Is my mind remember wrong or in that period were 5 star Nittaku balls. I remember that it ha almost no sound and that they were very lite. Is that true? I am bashing my head over it for a long time.
Hmmm, interesting. I only remember Nittaku having 3 star balls. Try asking on our forum and we'll see if anyone else has more information - www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum
try to use buttery 40+ plastic balls
According to you which brand's plastic ball is best and which brand of ball do you play.
Anirudh Verma We haven't used the plastic ball very much yet so we don't have an opinion yet.
I personally think that the Dunlop club match table tennis ball is the best table tennis ball ever ball.
So in your opinion what adjustments we should do with the new plastic balls as they have less spin and more bounce
Anirudh Verma I don't think you need to make any big adjustments. Just train with the new balls for an hour or so and I think you'll be fine.
My apology for limited knowledge on the 40mm table tennis balls.
Looks like they are making:
(1) 40mm celluloid balls with seam (until superseded).
(2) 40mm poly or plastic seamless balls,
I'd like to know.
(1) What is meant by 40mm + on some balls made by some manufacturer?
Please clarify what the + sign means. I've searched the net but no one seems caring enough to explain this point.
(2) Are there any more variations besides these two types?
Thanks in advance.
Wing Lau That is a good question and I'm not sure of the answer. If you like you can ask this using the ask the coach section of the PingSkills website and we'll then open this up to our readers and I'm sure we'll get an answer.
Hello, I found this information on a Chinese website. 40 is the old celluloid 40+ means new material (plastic) ball. Also, with the new material there are only 3 factories in the world, one factory is for DHS, double fish, Butterfly... And they are seamed. One factory is for Xushaofa, Palio... and they are seamless. One factory is of course Nittaku in Japan and they only manufacture one ball (other two in China).
+KevinzhangxD Thanks for sharing.
+KevinzhangxD. Thanks for sharing the search. Now I have a fairly clear picture to settle my mind.
Sorry for the late reply, but the + sign means that the plastic balls are just a bit larger than the old celluloid balls, going to approximately 40.5 millimeters.
I yesterday destroyed three plastic balls in one game. That never happened before with the old type of balls in years. So either those ones didn't have the quality and a more advanced type of plastic balls should have been used or plastic balls just aren't that resistant.
If that's the case, then the whole reason to use those type of balls is more or less obsolete.
Any other experiences here?
Hmm, thanks for sharing your experiences.
I have had the same problem with the new ball breaking. Tibhar were useless and Nittaku SHA not so good either. The Nittaku Premium, though, seems to be unbreakable, plus it seems plays really nice, more like the old ball.
I stockpiled celluloid balls and still use them. Have manufacturers somehow improved the spin on these plastic balls yet? I don't even want to try them. Anyone?
Iron Lee We actually haven't used them much yet either. We'll need to get some more and try them out again soon.
i am more concern to the shape of the ball, it will be difficult to control if the move/run of the ball abnormal :-)
Yes Yudhistira Sulaeman,
if they don't get the ball to be perfectly round, it will be an issue. I believe they will sort this out before the balls are to be used in ITTF competitions.
I'm looking to buy some good quality reasonably cheap table tennis balls, do you have and recommendations?
There are lots of options. We've used Yasaka training balls in the past and they have been good.
Thanks!
Looks like the size is the same (40mm)? please confirm.
the new balls will be slightly bigger 40.3 to 40.5 mm approximately
It counts.
What about spin? Is the poly ball as easy to spin?
Yes, it's pretty much the same. You can see from the slow motion video of Alois serving that there is not a lot of difference.
Se re nota la diferencia en el ruido
New video please?
Coming soon :)
Just need clarification for my learning ,Was the serve approx during 3:23 -3:40 was illegal? because you threw the ball towards the body ?
I think that the angle of that was not to severe so I would say that is fine.
nice review on new plastic balls.
Thanks!
What about rubber wear? Will the rubbers last longer with the new plastic balls or maybe not? What is your opinion?
Good question Pavle Barta. I don't know the answer but my first thought is that it wouldn't make much difference.
PingSkills Thanks.
Pavle Barta You're welcome.
Does it still sound the same when it is cracked?
Good question. As we only had the one ball, we haven't used it when it is cracked.
Is yinhe H40+ seamed balls good to play? Or is it bad? Please respond
I haven't tried them myself. Table tennis balls get a star rating with 3 starts being the best.
@@pingskills So is 3 star seamed balls bad for playing? Please do respond
@@elizabethgeorge3369 They are OK, it really depends on if you are looking for the best quality. If that is the case get a 3 star ball.
Double Fish and Double Happiness (DHS) 3 stars are pretty good cheap Chinese balls, but make sure don't get the fake ones. They are about 1/3 the price of Japanese balls (Nittaku and Buterfly). I don't really recommend European balls.
I do recommend 3 star Donic balls
If there is no significant difference, what is the point of changing the ball to begin with? Shouldn't any change be for the improvement of things?
where can i purchase those balls? :)
Hi +Laderen,
Sorry I don't know. We were lucky to be given one of them. I'm sure they will start appearing in the online table tennis stores soon.
Will the new plastic ball be more durable than the old one?
Excellent question. I really don't know. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
PingSkills
yes that is a interesting issue! They cost more so I hope on their durability.
Plastic ball? Interesting :D
Let's hope you are right!!!
Indeed RevanII93
r u from india?
Alois was born in India but moved to Australia when he was very young. Cheers, Jeff.
What is a kicker serve and how refund it?
A kicker serve refers to a long fast serve with topspin and some sidespin. To return it you would normally try and topspin the ball back.
@@pingskills thank You
Ahahahaha, this video was full of laughs! So is the plastic one better?
To be honest, I don't think it will make any difference to how table tennis is played.
I never understood the difference between say a 1 star and a 4 star ball, is it to do with spins or something?
xxxlittleGremlinxxx the stars denote the quality of the ball. 1 star balls are less likely to be a perfect sphere and be made of lower quality material. These will affect the consistency of its bounce. 3 star balls are made sturdier, and one 3 star ball will be less likely to differ greatly from the next in terms of shape and bounce.
Emmy L Cool! Thanks!
PingSkills That sound thinking the ball is cracked the whole time would drive me nuts!
In my opinion,the main reason of the change is only the profit for the manufacturers.
Two weeks ago i visited the German National Championship. Unbelievable how fast and easy that ball breaks. Had the feeling,that nearly two balls broke in every match.
If the players hit the edge of their racket by a faster stroke,the probability that the ball breaks was 90%.
The quality is a joke. It´s only to make money...in a sport like football,they would never do a change like that. Especially if it changes the game a little bit.
One of my teammate play´s there too and often change from plastic to celluloid. I haven´t nearly the "feeling for the ball" like he does,but he says that it makes a different for him everytime. Maybe for professional players it could be more difficult by reason of their style to play.
On the whole I hate the change,cause it makes no sense to me.
Thanks for sharing your experiences PlatzvomMax. We can only hope that the manufacturers improve the quality of the ball and that it also becomes cheaper.
I hate them I find you have to go through the ball more and for me it's harder for some reason to spin the ball.
Thanks for letting us know your thoughts on the plastic ball.
I never heard why we are switching to the new balls. Does anyone know the answer?
I heard the new ball material is more eco-friendly and cheaper to manufacture, which is probably the reason. I've also heard the new balls tend to crack more easily though, probably because the new technology is not mature enough yet.
Hi Paul Armel,
I heard the same reasons as Aron Lee although the new plastic balls seem to be more expensive at the moment. Hopefully the price will come down and the quality will go up!
its to slow the game down further, for spectators or old folks.
I don't really get this. I mean how much damage could it actually do to the environment? There are surely bigger problems than the celluloid ball. I hate the new ball and I heard that it will take somewhere around 5 years to develop a plastic ball being similar to the celluloid one.
Yep^ . They want to introduce a market with faster rubbers. There would be no need for faster rubbers past tenergy and esn tensors with the old ball. Therefore, slow the game down. Introduce faster rubbers and make people feel the need for them.
The real reason money. A board member of ITTF ball testing and approval
committee Dr. Joacchim Kuhn behind the report on how great the plastic
balls has a MAJOR conflict of interest. Dr. Kuhn's wife Sook Yoo is one
of two patent holders on the new plastic balls. The Kuhn's are making
money on every 40+ ball sold. The new balls are slower and have less
spin.
Rubber, balls cheap rate video bnaye
plastic ball is a bit faster...
I like your review! In my country, Russia, there was a test also uploaded to youtube, where they came to a conclusion that the plastic ball is harder to spin, that it is harder to give much spin, e. g. with a backhand brushing movement. That test was made at the end of 2013. Here you say it is more grippy. So that plastic ball is alright as far as its spin characteristics go?
We found it OK for generating spin. I think that after the new ball is introduced people will get used to it very quickly.
Plastics gonna be cheaper?
Good question. I'm not sure. I guess we'll find out soon enough. :)
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I don't think ill use a plastic ball! It sounds pointless
Oh god no the plastic ones are crap
Apart of my died when you played with the new plastic ball it you can hear how its "broken" but its not. Ive growned up with as soon as you hear that sounds its ENYOING and bad! And you yell at people to throught it in the trash since it broken... Will stop playing if they change to that ball
Hi Afropalmen, they have already started making the change. Give it a chance and I think you'll get used to it a lot quicker than you think.
Well Ive was on a Tourney this weakend and the ball dont sound the same as this one you used did. It dident sound diffrent at all. But it cracked easy as hell. Only on the warmup 17 balls broke on 3 tables... thats 17 balls in 10 min on 3 tables.... Our club wont be able to buy that many balls when they cost allmost dubble as the old once. And they break 10 times more easy. So maybe will have to quit anyway since our club might have to end
Afropalmen That is not a good situation. Obviously there needs to be a lot of improvement with the new plastic balls. What brand where you using?
They used Stiga. So i can say that our club WONT buy stiga balls
The sound of the plastic ball is terrible to my ears, so distracting and in the back of my mind, the ball sounds pretty much cracked...
It certainly does sound different and like it is cracked. I don't think this will take long to adjust to though.
time for a new paddle/rubber design? change is ? email me , Adols, please see my message to you on contact page.
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Thanks for the message norman clemens. Unfortunately we are not really into equipment so aren't the right people to help you here.