In one of the early episodes of your podcast with Pat Flynn, you said something that really helped me. I don’t remember your exact words, but it was about weighing the risks versus the rewards of doing any particular exercise-which I believe, perfectly applies to the workout that shall not be named. At the time of that particular episode, I was a fairly aggressive mountain biker, and I had been for many years. But I was 57 years old and I was wrestling with the fact that I was beginning to crash with more regularity. Your advice made me realize that I was only one good crash away from ending up in a nursing home. In addition to that, many of the things you said during that episode helped me give myself permission to make some serious changes in my life. I’m 63 now, I continue to work out with kettlebells, and I still ride my bike. However, I only stick to gravel roads and light trails, and I’m healthier and happier for it. So, thank you, Dan!
I served in the active duty military when Crossfit came on the scene. Every unit jumped on the bandwagon and lacked the controls to make the workouts safe for a broad range of participants. . . Needless to say, whatever gains we chased with Crossfit were totally negated by the number of injuries.
I’ll preface this with saying I have been involved of some level of CrossFit since around 2006, but slowly walked away around 2015/2016-ish… Some of the concepts behind the old crossfit (15+ years ago) were great. When you start doing kipping/butterfly pullups, and ring muscle up’s “for time” you lose me fast. Risk to reward in training should always be considered, and I think they lost sight of that fairly early on. From the standpoint of building a total program by combining aspects of raw strength training, cardiovascular elements and muscular endurance, with aspects of gymnastics was fantastic. The emphasis on GPP was very different for many. It helped fuse different specialties in a way for the general public that had not been done before. It also brought a resurgence to the fitness community in general. There were some really great things before they lost the forest for the trees. I don’t say any of this negatively with where it is today. I wish them nothing but the best.
Crossfit doesn't take building a foundation and the importance of recovery/fatigue management seriously enough. And I feel that those are the two most important things to drill into beginners.
Perhaps that is why people with former lifting experience and a good foundation tends to do "less bad" in crossfit than people without this experience?
Huh? What do you mean by “CrossFit doesn’t”? The methodology as a whole or some gym or person you’ve seen? I don’t think your statement could be further from the truth, from my experience.
I love crossfit. It introduced me to the kettlebells and Olympic lifting. I never experienced an injury in the 4 years I did it. That's because I knew when to scale the workout. Especially if I knew I my technique sucked. Though I don't practice crossfit presently I still practice my kettlebell and olympic lifts and I'm very gratefully I added those two lifts to my belt.
I haven't talked to someone who "does this" or "practices this," the "this" meaning your third word, in quite a while. People tell me they love it but don't do it.
@@DanJohnStrengthCoach it's been two years since In haven't practiced it. I'm looking forward to going back to it. After the lock downs I bought my own equipment and turned my garage into a mini crossfit. Not the same. So right now it's more continent to workout out of my garage. I do love it. It's structured I don't have tu think as to what the workout is going to be. The workouts are subtle so they don't look hard initially but after some experience you learn not to take it for granted. I'm 50... so I'm no spring chicken and been around the block. I am grateful for it because of what it exposed me to. To be fair crossfit put Olympic lifts on the map for the masses. Outside of watching it on the Olympics it is a little known sport. I never got injured but I scaled. What people doing talk about is that they do have a scale which makes movements that your aren't comfortable with you can replace it with something you can. People that critique it the most never lived crossfit. I did for four years. I been working out and into active most of my life. To be frank it's the best bank for buck. With the drama you are faced with in regular gyms these days, you go in and you are out in an hour. You can stay longer to work on technique if you like. Coaches if they are good will help you. You will always find crossfitters attending clinics for Olympic or kettlebell lifts because they are always looking to improve on their technique. We are people with regular day jobs but we still want to get the most out of a 1hr workout. Which for an average Joe is hard to do. Since you drawing conclusions about me because I might have said something you may not agree. I respect the opioni of this video? I didn't critique the opioni. I am saying if it wasn't for crossfit a video like this would not have gotten my attention. I learned the value of kettlebell workouts because of crossfit. Look how lucky I am. Now I'm a student trying to learn from true masters and appreciate the value on this channel. Life is about growing and sometimes anomalies like crossfit are channels people walk through to be exposed to things other wise they wouldn't have.
Hey Dan, that's a great response, by the way. I've lifted for 25 years now, competed in athletics and powerlifting and my one big no-no is tackling a technical lift under load in a fatigued state, the chance of injury is multiplied ten-fold. Not hating on CrossFit, it's just not for me for that reason.
I actually just searched “Dan John girevoy sport” the other day, wondering if you shared your take on “hardstyle vs soft-style/sport.” I think you answered it here, partially with your CrossFit concerns. I’m not tribal, at all, with modalities, but I’m also cautious of high volume compound lifts, day in day out. Thank you.
I love the idea of a fitness craze that encourages Olympic lifting, kettlebells, basic gymnastics movements, strength training as well as running and cycling etc. I’ve never seen a CrossFit class in person so I’ll assume the talk of training power movements and so on to dangerous fatigue is true, but from the outside looking in there still seems to be a lot of positives to it.
I’ve been lifting since Nautilus equipment was the rage. Worked out with Arnold at World Gym in Venice, CA. I’ve been doing CrossFit for three months now, and love it. However, at 54 YO, I scale the workouts and I don’t push the needle into the red. I know when to say that’s enough. I’ve watched people get injured in that three months. Our “Box” has good coaching, but they do not encourage trainees to seek out videos or instruction on all the “basics” that are VERY necessary before attempting complex exercises, i.e. strict ring muscle ups. Great video and I agree! Cheers!
Thanks for sharing this...good point. I remember those Naut ads in Scholastic Coach, like 16 pages!, that were never a complete sentence. I remember asking my high school coach about using them instead of barbells and he gave me a review of "cost to benefit." I will never forget that.
Even box stepping is tricky. Theres a big difference between doing ordinary "bouncy" step and steps where you lean forward and really load the posterior chain. The first is easy the second way is much harder. Regarding crossfit its kinda hilarious how sensitive they are to critique. Thinking of the recent hate storm Lebe Stark got from pointing out that the crossfit athletes could perform better if they used correct kettlebell technique =D
I feel as though the kettlebell snatch is why I can sprint very fast, but I don't know how to prove this (I intentionally kind of "jump" the bell up a little bit instead of rely on a glute drive, and I am also not sure if that really helped either). I do them for time, though, for like 45 minutes to an hour, ultra sub-maximal weight. I don't know if that makes a difference. Sports style. No crossfit bs. I don't see the need for hardstyle when I already train weightlifting. Honestly, I love weightlifting so much I will never stop until nature forces me to, but if I just wanted to be the best runner and sprinter possible, I would only train kettlebells and plyo (except squats).
Interesting to hear about pressing a bell half your weight. I tried the RKC with a 24 and managed it without really training but there's no way i could do the secret service, so that might be a fun goal. Is the kettlebell press a strict press or can it be a push press?
I train High schoolers and some of the kids think i do crossfit when i share workouts with them. I tell them it's not because i don't get injured. Hahaha. I know what i can and cannot do, and set slow methodical goals to achieve more aspects to my training. In my experience, crossfit gyms try to push the weight and frequency without creating the technical foundations required.
I think it would work for a lot of things, but let me know if you see any studies on this. At the schools I have been at, VO2 Max is usually measured with the simple bikes or the treadmills because it is just so complex to hold everything together.
@@DanJohnStrengthCoach I think it's the students reaction to incorporating Kettlebells into programming for conditioning and strength purposes. They don't quite understand it until I break it down for them. As for VO2 max, I would assume it would improve due to the sheer amount of cardiovascular stress that occurs. Anyway, I love your videos. They are extremely insightful, I learn something new everyday.
Dan, do you any experience with golfers elbow? Ive been dealing with those for a while now and it impairs my training a lot, from pull ups to KBs, everything suffers.
I talk about this a lot on my TH-cam channel here. In fact, Pat Flynn and I just discussed this on his podcast. The biggest issue is it doesn’t cure very quickly. I would prefer a total hip replacement over an elbow injury. I know that sounds crazy, but I can almost guarantee you’ll be fine in six months after a total hip replacement. I still like hanging from a bar, but other than that it seems like rest is the best cure. And, I know that’s not a very good answer.
Dan John, First of all I adore your work. You are wise (and funny), a true inspiration. I tried your "hinge don't fold" exercises and for the first time I felt like something clicked with training. The exercises knit together. I am overthinking training (and everything else. Sorry for this being long, but I would love it if you could help me out. Thinking myself does only bring me inaction. The opposite of what I want. I want to train for longevity. You said a couple videos ago people should train strength for longevity, not hypertrophy. Why? And is thus strength better for longevity than bodybuilding? In addition, what type of training should I do to train for longevity. I just turned 18 and I am lean, I never properly trained in my (entire) live. I wanted to run easy strength, but I do not have access to a barbell, and only have low weight kettlebells and dumbells (10 kg all). Should I do low rep weighted ring pushups and weight vest squats with higher rep low weight overhead press and deadlifts. Or choose a different program. Besides, would this even work? This is not easy strength anymore... Is easy strength best for longevity? Let's just say I have fomo, there are too many diamonds and I do not know where I want to go. Shortly, I want to train for longevity, but I am lost in the fog. What should I do? Max
Well, this is a question for the podcast. But basically hypertrophy training is good for longevity, but you also need to practice learning how to fall in a bunch of other small things. Send this question to the podcast.
@DanJohnStrengthCoach ah thank you. I just figured out I should email my question to you to get it on the podcast. I will modify it a bit, since I think I misunderstood one of your videos after just rewatching it.
@DanJohnStrengthCoach haha I thought some more, did some calisthenics and realised my questions don't make sense! I should just combine everything, keep improving, and have some fun. The answers are obvious. Thanks a lot for putting your workshops out for free.
I love the idea of combining olympic lifting powerlifting strongman calisthenics kettlebells etc. but I have the feeling that you’re better off doing 3-4 month blocks/seasons where you prioritize one domain be it endurance or strength or something else and you just rotate your goals over time. Crossfit feels like it bites off more than it can chew by doing everything at once. Not to say cross training doesn’t work for many things but you can only do so much. If people like it tho I don’t wanna rain on their parade
Hi Dan, I know this video is several months old and you may not be responding to comments anymore, but I have a question about girevoy sport. You mentioned you used the sport techniques when you did your competitions (I didn’t know you did kettlebell sport!). Obviously you’re an RKC instructor, so I know you are a proponent of the hardstyle hinge in general, but I was wondering if there is a benefit in using the sport style pendulum in kettlebell training for people who don’t plan to compete but are doing a high rep session.
I would say "no." But...the GS people think it is the answer, but it's a whole skill set that needs lots of fine tuning. Comp techniques are always valuable to know and learn, but they are for competitions.
FWIW I found you from early early CrossFit stuff. Crossfit was a good thing for me and I think they do some good stuff. But putting weights overhead for time became too dangerous for me. The speed component of CrossFit doesn't seem wise because it pushes you easily into "sloppy reps."
I've always thought that Crossfit was founded by the physiotherapists' association because at one moment or another all crossfit practitioners will need therapy...
I thought that thing that I shall not name was a thing you tell your kids about to scare them into behaving well. Like the logh ness monster, bigfoot, vampires or the monster under the bed.😅
Thank you for being a fair, straight shooter about "The Workout That Shall Not Be Named..." I was indeed a fan of it until I saw a competition where a female athlete absolutely wrecked her shoulder due to the purposely bad programming involved... Shoulders are already sensitive joints... The competition pre-exhausted the muscle group and ended with walking-on-hands for 25 yards unbroken... Athletes are prideful, and the whole crowd pushed her to continue to worsen her injury... She never progressed beyond her initial painful collapse... As a Football Player, and Combat Athlete I was irrate... Their events were structured so there was no competitor, teammate, or referee to look out for the safety of the athletes... It's an exploitive meat grinder like the Gladiator bouts...
I mean basically, Crossfit at a high level involving serious athletes is impressive as hell. I love watching the CF games. But as a training modality? The idea that it's "infinitely scaleable" is laughable. Average gen-pop off the street is gonna get hurt, or at least fail at it and feel discouraged from doing it again. I kinda think the idea of a solid powerlifter, Strongman, or Olympic lifter going into CF AFTER they've developed that base might be fun, but for someone with limited mobility, or skill, or severely obese, more functional, basic movements like the kind Dan would have you start with makes way more sense. The best kind of "Crossfit box" is the kind that ditched the "Crossfit" in its name, turned to normal strength training principles, and still allows people to do WODs and stuff if they want. And don't even get me started on their nonsense political stances and combative approach to nutrition and lifestyle.
But also, watching the Crossfit Games is a bit like watching the Tour de France... I have a bike as well, and I ride it..but I would die on a tour de france stage. The same for Crossfit Games level workouts....
Crossfit games just make absolute no sense though. Crossfit is all about strength exercises and then they just throw random crap like cycling and swimming in there, which is just not part of the crossfit gyms. The fact that they caused the death of an athlete this year just shows they have no idea what they are doing really.
In one of the early episodes of your podcast with Pat Flynn, you said something that really helped me. I don’t remember your exact words, but it was about weighing the risks versus the rewards of doing any particular exercise-which I believe, perfectly applies to the workout that shall not be named.
At the time of that particular episode, I was a fairly aggressive mountain biker, and I had been for many years. But I was 57 years old and I was wrestling with the fact that I was beginning to crash with more regularity. Your advice made me realize that I was only one good crash away from ending up in a nursing home. In addition to that, many of the things you said during that episode helped me give myself permission to make some serious changes in my life. I’m 63 now, I continue to work out with kettlebells, and I still ride my bike. However, I only stick to gravel roads and light trails, and I’m healthier and happier for it.
So, thank you, Dan!
Much appreciated
Dan, I quit crossfit and did easy strength. Gained a bunch on my 1RMs and feel alot better. Thanks for all you have done for the world.
Nice work! It's nice to see you doing ES.
No apologies for being brilliantly honest!
Dan, you are magnificent.
Well, I blush
I served in the active duty military when Crossfit came on the scene. Every unit jumped on the bandwagon and lacked the controls to make the workouts safe for a broad range of participants. . . Needless to say, whatever gains we chased with Crossfit were totally negated by the number of injuries.
Thank you for sharing that
I’ll preface this with saying I have been involved of some level of CrossFit since around 2006, but slowly walked away around 2015/2016-ish…
Some of the concepts behind the old crossfit (15+ years ago) were great. When you start doing kipping/butterfly pullups, and ring muscle up’s “for time” you lose me fast. Risk to reward in training should always be considered, and I think they lost sight of that fairly early on.
From the standpoint of building a total program by combining aspects of raw strength training, cardiovascular elements and muscular endurance, with aspects of gymnastics was fantastic. The emphasis on GPP was very different for many. It helped fuse different specialties in a way for the general public that had not been done before. It also brought a resurgence to the fitness community in general. There were some really great things before they lost the forest for the trees.
I don’t say any of this negatively with where it is today. I wish them nothing but the best.
Thank you for sharing that
Word! Excellent podcast. A great workout ends with smiles not puking!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Crossfit doesn't take building a foundation and the importance of recovery/fatigue management seriously enough. And I feel that those are the two most important things to drill into beginners.
Agreed
Perhaps that is why people with former lifting experience and a good foundation tends to do "less bad" in crossfit than people without this experience?
or the age/conditioning level of its participants in it.
Pavel, Dan, Mark Wildman...they have saved me.
Huh? What do you mean by “CrossFit doesn’t”? The methodology as a whole or some gym or person you’ve seen? I don’t think your statement could be further from the truth, from my experience.
@@PrimalPetersen Specific boxes and athletes may have good programming and methodology, but Crossfit at large has inconsistent quality of instruction.
I love crossfit. It introduced me to the kettlebells and Olympic lifting. I never experienced an injury in the 4 years I did it. That's because I knew when to scale the workout. Especially if I knew I my technique sucked. Though I don't practice crossfit presently I still practice my kettlebell and olympic lifts and I'm very gratefully I added those two lifts to my belt.
I haven't talked to someone who "does this" or "practices this," the "this" meaning your third word, in quite a while. People tell me they love it but don't do it.
@@DanJohnStrengthCoach it's been two years since In haven't practiced it. I'm looking forward to going back to it. After the lock downs I bought my own equipment and turned my garage into a mini crossfit. Not the same. So right now it's more continent to workout out of my garage. I do love it. It's structured I don't have tu think as to what the workout is going to be. The workouts are subtle so they don't look hard initially but after some experience you learn not to take it for granted. I'm 50... so I'm no spring chicken and been around the block. I am grateful for it because of what it exposed me to. To be fair crossfit put Olympic lifts on the map for the masses. Outside of watching it on the Olympics it is a little known sport. I never got injured but I scaled. What people doing talk about is that they do have a scale which makes movements that your aren't comfortable with you can replace it with something you can. People that critique it the most never lived crossfit. I did for four years. I been working out and into active most of my life. To be frank it's the best bank for buck. With the drama you are faced with in regular gyms these days, you go in and you are out in an hour. You can stay longer to work on technique if you like. Coaches if they are good will help you. You will always find crossfitters attending clinics for Olympic or kettlebell lifts because they are always looking to improve on their technique. We are people with regular day jobs but we still want to get the most out of a 1hr workout. Which for an average Joe is hard to do. Since you drawing conclusions about me because I might have said something you may not agree. I respect the opioni of this video? I didn't critique the opioni. I am saying if it wasn't for crossfit a video like this would not have gotten my attention. I learned the value of kettlebell workouts because of crossfit. Look how lucky I am. Now I'm a student trying to learn from true masters and appreciate the value on this channel. Life is about growing and sometimes anomalies like crossfit are channels people walk through to be exposed to things other wise they wouldn't have.
Hey Dan, that's a great response, by the way. I've lifted for 25 years now, competed in athletics and powerlifting and my one big no-no is tackling a technical lift under load in a fatigued state, the chance of injury is multiplied ten-fold. Not hating on CrossFit, it's just not for me for that reason.
Thank you for sharing that
This was my reason for stopping crossfit and focusing on powerlifting exercises. I feel so much better that way as well.
I actually just searched “Dan John girevoy sport” the other day, wondering if you shared your take on “hardstyle vs soft-style/sport.” I think you answered it here, partially with your CrossFit concerns. I’m not tribal, at all, with modalities, but I’m also cautious of high volume compound lifts, day in day out.
Thank you.
Agreed
I love the idea of a fitness craze that encourages Olympic lifting, kettlebells, basic gymnastics movements, strength training as well as running and cycling etc. I’ve never seen a CrossFit class in person so I’ll assume the talk of training power movements and so on to dangerous fatigue is true, but from the outside looking in there still seems to be a lot of positives to it.
Done well, I have no objections. "Done well" is the issue.
I’ve been lifting since Nautilus equipment was the rage. Worked out with Arnold at World Gym in Venice, CA.
I’ve been doing CrossFit for three months now, and love it. However, at 54 YO, I scale the workouts and I don’t push the needle into the red. I know when to say that’s enough.
I’ve watched people get injured in that three months. Our “Box” has good coaching, but they do not encourage trainees to seek out videos or instruction on all the “basics” that are VERY necessary before attempting complex exercises, i.e. strict ring muscle ups. Great video and I agree! Cheers!
Thanks for sharing this...good point. I remember those Naut ads in Scholastic Coach, like 16 pages!, that were never a complete sentence. I remember asking my high school coach about using them instead of barbells and he gave me a review of "cost to benefit." I will never forget that.
Even box stepping is tricky. Theres a big difference between doing ordinary "bouncy" step and steps where you lean forward and really load the posterior chain. The first is easy the second way is much harder.
Regarding crossfit its kinda hilarious how sensitive they are to critique. Thinking of the recent hate storm Lebe Stark got from pointing out that the crossfit athletes could perform better if they used correct kettlebell technique =D
It's a cult. Cults generally don't handle criticism well because everything feels like a personal attack rather than objective criticism on technique.
I’m a big fan of Lebe’s work
@@DanJohnStrengthCoachLebe Stark is German for Live Strong. His name is Gregory, not Lebe 😄
I feel as though the kettlebell snatch is why I can sprint very fast, but I don't know how to prove this (I intentionally kind of "jump" the bell up a little bit instead of rely on a glute drive, and I am also not sure if that really helped either). I do them for time, though, for like 45 minutes to an hour, ultra sub-maximal weight. I don't know if that makes a difference. Sports style. No crossfit bs. I don't see the need for hardstyle when I already train weightlifting. Honestly, I love weightlifting so much I will never stop until nature forces me to, but if I just wanted to be the best runner and sprinter possible, I would only train kettlebells and plyo (except squats).
Thank you
Interesting to hear about pressing a bell half your weight. I tried the RKC with a 24 and managed it without really training but there's no way i could do the secret service, so that might be a fun goal. Is the kettlebell press a strict press or can it be a push press?
Strict
@@DanJohnStrengthCoach ah shucks, will have to work on that, thanks for the reply!
I train High schoolers and some of the kids think i do crossfit when i share workouts with them. I tell them it's not because i don't get injured. Hahaha. I know what i can and cannot do, and set slow methodical goals to achieve more aspects to my training. In my experience, crossfit gyms try to push the weight and frequency without creating the technical foundations required.
That would be one of the more common criticisms. I am frankly amazed we still even talk about it.
I think it would work for a lot of things, but let me know if you see any studies on this. At the schools I have been at, VO2 Max is usually measured with the simple bikes or the treadmills because it is just so complex to hold everything together.
@@DanJohnStrengthCoach I think it's the students reaction to incorporating Kettlebells into programming for conditioning and strength purposes. They don't quite understand it until I break it down for them. As for VO2 max, I would assume it would improve due to the sheer amount of cardiovascular stress that occurs. Anyway, I love your videos. They are extremely insightful, I learn something new everyday.
Dan, do you any experience with golfers elbow? Ive been dealing with those for a while now and it impairs my training a lot, from pull ups to KBs, everything suffers.
I talk about this a lot on my TH-cam channel here. In fact, Pat Flynn and I just discussed this on his podcast. The biggest issue is it doesn’t cure very quickly. I would prefer a total hip replacement over an elbow injury. I know that sounds crazy, but I can almost guarantee you’ll be fine in six months after a total hip replacement. I still like hanging from a bar, but other than that it seems like rest is the best cure. And, I know that’s not a very good answer.
Last four days had been nursing a knee injury from doing the front lounge and I now know the cause of it, so anyway I now prefer the suitcase carry
Thanks for sharing this. Injuries are a tough one.
Good stuff. Thanks!
You bet!
Dan John,
First of all I adore your work. You are wise (and funny), a true inspiration. I tried your "hinge don't fold" exercises and for the first time I felt like something clicked with training. The exercises knit together.
I am overthinking training (and everything else. Sorry for this being long, but I would love it if you could help me out. Thinking myself does only bring me inaction. The opposite of what I want.
I want to train for longevity. You said a couple videos ago people should train strength for longevity, not hypertrophy. Why? And is thus strength better for longevity than bodybuilding?
In addition, what type of training should I do to train for longevity. I just turned 18 and I am lean, I never properly trained in my (entire) live. I wanted to run easy strength, but I do not have access to a barbell, and only have low weight kettlebells and dumbells (10 kg all). Should I do low rep weighted ring pushups and weight vest squats with higher rep low weight overhead press and deadlifts. Or choose a different program. Besides, would this even work? This is not easy strength anymore... Is easy strength best for longevity?
Let's just say I have fomo, there are too many diamonds and I do not know where I want to go.
Shortly, I want to train for longevity, but I am lost in the fog. What should I do?
Max
Well, this is a question for the podcast. But basically hypertrophy training is good for longevity, but you also need to practice learning how to fall in a bunch of other small things. Send this question to the podcast.
@DanJohnStrengthCoach ah thank you. I just figured out I should email my question to you to get it on the podcast. I will modify it a bit, since I think I misunderstood one of your videos after just rewatching it.
@DanJohnStrengthCoach haha I thought some more, did some calisthenics and realised my questions don't make sense! I should just combine everything, keep improving, and have some fun. The answers are obvious. Thanks a lot for putting your workshops out for free.
Good stuff, thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
I love the idea of combining olympic lifting powerlifting strongman calisthenics kettlebells etc. but I have the feeling that you’re better off doing 3-4 month blocks/seasons where you prioritize one domain be it endurance or strength or something else and you just rotate your goals over time. Crossfit feels like it bites off more than it can chew by doing everything at once. Not to say cross training doesn’t work for many things but you can only do so much. If people like it tho I don’t wanna rain on their parade
I very much agree with you
Hi Dan,
I know this video is several months old and you may not be responding to comments anymore, but I have a question about girevoy sport.
You mentioned you used the sport techniques when you did your competitions (I didn’t know you did kettlebell sport!). Obviously you’re an RKC instructor, so I know you are a proponent of the hardstyle hinge in general, but I was wondering if there is a benefit in using the sport style pendulum in kettlebell training for people who don’t plan to compete but are doing a high rep session.
I would say "no." But...the GS people think it is the answer, but it's a whole skill set that needs lots of fine tuning. Comp techniques are always valuable to know and learn, but they are for competitions.
Many, many thanks Dan !
PS
Doing the Olympic lifts for cardio seems like a GIGANTIC red flag
I use higher reps in complexes but never just for a race. (So, we agree)
FWIW I found you from early early CrossFit stuff. Crossfit was a good thing for me and I think they do some good stuff. But putting weights overhead for time became too dangerous for me. The speed component of CrossFit doesn't seem wise because it pushes you easily into "sloppy reps."
I'm actually working on a new workshop idea explaining this all better. Your point, the last two sentences, is really the key.
I've always thought that Crossfit was founded by the physiotherapists' association because at one moment or another all crossfit practitioners will need therapy...
Well played.
That’s one snatch with 24kg every 3 seconds for 10 straight minutes.. 😵
About 20 years ago, we were supposed to hold it over head for like one second. I don’t know if that’s still part of how some people measure it.
I thought that thing that I shall not name was a thing you tell your kids about to scare them into behaving well. Like the logh ness monster, bigfoot, vampires or the monster under the bed.😅
All true
If every day is max effort, its hard to recover
Pretty good logic
Thank you for being a fair, straight shooter about "The Workout That Shall Not Be Named..." I was indeed a fan of it until I saw a competition where a female athlete absolutely wrecked her shoulder due to the purposely bad programming involved... Shoulders are already sensitive joints... The competition pre-exhausted the muscle group and ended with walking-on-hands for 25 yards unbroken... Athletes are prideful, and the whole crowd pushed her to continue to worsen her injury... She never progressed beyond her initial painful collapse... As a Football Player, and Combat Athlete I was irrate... Their events were structured so there was no competitor, teammate, or referee to look out for the safety of the athletes... It's an exploitive meat grinder like the Gladiator bouts...
I appreciate that. I get a lot of negative when I talk about that group.
I mean basically, Crossfit at a high level involving serious athletes is impressive as hell. I love watching the CF games. But as a training modality? The idea that it's "infinitely scaleable" is laughable. Average gen-pop off the street is gonna get hurt, or at least fail at it and feel discouraged from doing it again. I kinda think the idea of a solid powerlifter, Strongman, or Olympic lifter going into CF AFTER they've developed that base might be fun, but for someone with limited mobility, or skill, or severely obese, more functional, basic movements like the kind Dan would have you start with makes way more sense.
The best kind of "Crossfit box" is the kind that ditched the "Crossfit" in its name, turned to normal strength training principles, and still allows people to do WODs and stuff if they want.
And don't even get me started on their nonsense political stances and combative approach to nutrition and lifestyle.
Definitely something pretty cool about watching Mat Fraser but then I go out to my garage and am quickly reminded I am nowhere near his level
I certainly hear you on this
But also, watching the Crossfit Games is a bit like watching the Tour de France... I have a bike as well, and I ride it..but I would die on a tour de france stage. The same for Crossfit Games level workouts....
Crossfit games just make absolute no sense though. Crossfit is all about strength exercises and then they just throw random crap like cycling and swimming in there, which is just not part of the crossfit gyms. The fact that they caused the death of an athlete this year just shows they have no idea what they are doing really.
That awkward moment a workout becomes a cult... sheesh.
Well played
MURPH!
Did you ever meet him?
@@DanJohnStrengthCoach Sadly no. I did the workout though. Training for all those squats left me lame.