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I predict that it is going to have a burst phase every 2 minutes where it uses empowered abilities and gains access to more ogcds. It will also have a gauge that builds through gcds that gives access to an additional ogcd with both an aoe and single target version.
God I can't even really be excited for the new jobs beyond aesthetic reasons. Like Corsair is probably just going to be RDM 2.0, but instead of spells they use a gun.
Meanwhile community: omg, that is such fun Job to play, they’re so creative, yoshiP is s god. Pls add more Mounts to the Shop and give us more Haircuts.
You mentioned the green mage "shell" skill in older games, and this also ties back to the TMNT t-shirt. Green turtles with shells starts to look more like green mage.
I want to add on to the theory that there are 4 turtles. The typical clover every one uses for images has four leaves too. Idk, maybe I'm just reaching or looking to into it
I want green mage so bad. They have all the other mage colors, they need to complete the collection! I'm not quite sold that it will be the caster, but I hope it is.
I want it to be Pictomancer as that would be my permanent main, but specifically nature Green Mage would suffice if I can beat the shit out of Ifrit with a tree.
I think a proper nature mage would be quite cool, like you said, I could see them doing something with Green Mage like they did with Sage - take the idea and do something new with it. I'm inclined to think we'll have Corsair & Green Mage, can't wait to see more info at EU fanfest!
would be cool to see a more western style druidic caster, using natural magics like vines and thorns. I'm still at a complete loss for what the caster class will be since I haven't been a huge FF fan prior to 14.
I really want a western styled druid type mage as well. Or the Apothecary as it's a really interesting concept. But beyond everything, please just don't call the new mage class green mage...
I'm in the Green Mage + Mystic Knight camp. It's just over a week till we find out at least one of them, which is awesome. Time sure flew since the NA Fanfest.
Even if it is green mage, I'm not sure what to expect. After all, Sage was completely different from how it traditionally is in other games, so we might see an entirely different path laid out for green mage.
If it is leading to green mage, I could see them setting it up as something like a druid style class. Offensive spells that do direct damage while having supportive spells to control and incapacitate foes. We can only wait and see.
Except that any kind of mob cc has been completely worthless so far (who uses sleep or bind?) with how this game plays, so I really doubt they'd go that route. And since shell/protect/stoneskin type stuff was already in the game once and then removed, along with the continuous removal of any and all DoTs, I don't see Green mage being viable without it just being Conjurer.
I’m thinking possibly Geomancer but I’m going off the outfit that the “legs” had on in the last scene before text and how inspired it looked from the tactics outfit.
I would happily have a DoT mage back, with even more of a focus on keeping certain debuffs continuously running to fill a gauge, similar to how Bard used to be. that combination back on Summoner with Bio, Miasma and Bane and fester was a fun part of the job. While I dont think they have a place in the new summoner style, i would be happy to see them made a core part of a job. Maybe a basic gauge gets filled by dealing damage with a dot, that unlocks a powerful, shorter duration dot that increases damage taken by other abilities during that time, to work it around the buff window. Could have something similar to Ley lines where they extend roots into the earth and it buffs Dot potency or adds in additional effects while stood in it.
My logic for Green Mage is: The clover = symbol on Ivalice Green Mage, we know YoshiP loves Ivalice. Turtles are green = Green Mage. "Heroes in a half shell" = Shell is a signature spell of Green Mage(and most often green, to differentiate it from the blue Protect). Likely raidwide mitigation ability. Turtles are named after artists = Ivalice Green Mage has a beret, commonly associated with painters. If this is all a big red herring, I'm okay with that too, though. xP
i would absolutely love a buff/debuffer class in ffxiv, i know it doesn’t really work in ffxiv but it’s one of my favorite playstyles in games so i’m on massive copium
I've been on team "druid/nature mage" this whole time. I'm not familiar with the old ff games, so idk if this aligns with "green mage", but my original reasoning was because SE commented that this area is very in-tune with the natural world, the plant graphics in particular were highlighted, and a plant-themed mage would immediately be distinct from the other jobs. ♥
@@blkguy3rd I don't think they will ever bring that system back. I'd kind of like it because it would mean less leveling if you've already leveled those jobs, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
aligns more to Geomancer but if like Happy said they want to take a prexisting job like Sage and take their own spin thats fine. take green mage and take the green literally and turn it into our nature mage thats fine too.
I'm 100% on board with that. I'd love to throw a literal jungle at my enemies by utilizing plants and vines. They could also toss a healthy dose of water into the mix, allowing us to "seed" the enemies and then blast them with water-based spells, growing the seeds into dangerous plants that have varying effects. I could see it as an interesting take on the dot-mage class.
Green mage and spellblade, two formerly vierra specific jobs. That's why the WoL weapon's wasn't corsair-ish but instead felt like some sort of short runic rapier and he laughed when his robe caught fire.
The experiment they seemed to be doing on the instance servers right after the 6.5 release with an increased buff limit (before it got rolled back because Dark Knights were getting freecure procs and Dancers were getting infinite tech step lol) makes me think one of the new jobs *is* meant to be very buff-heavy, and that would kind of support the GRM theory.
I could maybe see a green mage working in FF14's system if they go all in on the debuffing angle. Part of its gameplay loop being building up the right combination of debuffs on your enemies so that your damaging spells hit super hard, and/or having DPS spells that have different effects depending on which debuffs the target as.
Green mage = Geomancer with Eorzean job naming conventions. Also of Note, The first 'turtle' you meet ingame is Soroban and the first thing that everyone thinks of the moment they see him? TMNT of course :P (i.e. the shirt reference) And what is Soroban training to be, but a Geomancer! We also have Gosetsu also training in what appears to be Geomancy in the EW Role quests too.
I remember seeing some speculation on what the 3-leafed clover means and some pointed out iirc it's symbolism for druids. Which would fit the "nature themed caster" idea. And if that's the case sign me up for some black robes next summer because I'm swapping to caster.
Yeah I'm sure GRM would be reworked unique to XIV to fit in, would definitely love return of dot mage outside of BLU with dot bursts doing the damage all at once
Do other FF games have the job stones we do in XIV? Cuz I saw someone state, unequivocally, that the clover is the job stone for Green Mage. But couldn't find any supporting details on such.
Another point for the Green Mage theory is the fact that in the FF tactics games Green mage was a Viera exclusive job, and we know that Tural as a population of Vieras
4:30 i mean personally, whenever i say Green Mage thats what i expect lol, is that theyd make it a new thing like Sage. I also personally expect them to make it a DoT mage, especially because, like you said, theyve been trimming a lot of DoTs, potentially to make room for a "dedicated" DoT job. And, i really expect it to be a "Reaper has Heavy Thrust" situation, where they "recycle" an old job mechanic that didnt work for that job, but could work for this job. Just my thoughts lol.
I've always been leaning green mage, basically their chance to clearly define a job that just hasn't been defined yet. White, Black, Red, Blue... Green would slot right in. As for what it would play like I don't know, but I think it's a much clearer design path than Picto. I suspect it would relate to a form of geomancer or druidic/shamanism.
I like the ideas you brought up. Still feel it's Corsair and Geomancer/Green Mage, especially now that the nature attack magics idea is out there (for the green mage), would be cool. It's very unlikely but a chemist caster could be cool too. Also love the mention of War of the Visions, really wish they would do some colab glamours for both Brave Exvius games. Appreciate the video MrHappy!
Good on the Sage call. When people get uppity on Green Mage's spell options, I'm just like "Yes and Sage is known for being a Poison/Bleed casting Barrier + Gundam". We can get Nature Mage out of this, or even that Pictomancer but called Green Mage, under the same weirdness as Sage. Maybe this is Galuf's job, inherited by Krile. Corsair has the opposite problem and I consider it far more copium. We have Rogue/Thief, and an abundance of actual Pirates no less as Gladiators and Marauders... the key elements of a piratey melee job are covered in 14 already. It's not impossible, but by what elements does the "piratey melee job" stand out or distinguish itself?
Happy, prepared to be upset, once I saw this scene and my wife reminded me about Yoshi's shirt? Yeah, I'm on the Green Mage train now. Also yes, 100% expecting it to be nothing like the FFTA2 Green Mage. A complete reimagining along the lines of what happened to Sage.
I think Green Mage is the obvious pick. I'd love to see them let GRN lean into support, like a more party buff oriented RDM. Shell, Protect, and Bubble could all work similarly to Magic Barrier & Tactician. Drain and Syphon could easily become DoTs, Oil could be a caster Trick Attack, or they could do a split phys/mag version with Deprotect & Deshell.
I was thinking if it is Green Mage it could retain the buffer/debuffer, but be more focused on buffing oneself or something and be the scouting melee class. The idea being that your burst window would potentially have debuffs like trick and mug (or something similar), buffs for days, and then no idea how they'd implement the actual physical/magical attacks. Some of the buffs maybe could be enhancing your weapons and others being your body. That being said, kinda see it more as a possibility than a "this is what I think will happen." Would be cool to get a twist like that.
I'm leaning more towards Green Mage personally, and I really hope they make it a bleed mage, so to speak. I think a bleed type job would be fitting, honestly think we need one. I didn't play Summoner back when it had a bunch of them, so I feel like this would be a good idea considering how many they've removed over the last couple expansions.
Green Mage - DoM Job. Will most likely be based around DoT gameplay. With the job Guage allowing you to track the duration of the dots as opposed to looking at the enemy's HP bar. 2 dots plus a 3rd "super dot" that's an OGCD but with a cooldown and cost "green mana" (longer duration the more green mana spent). A spell that removes dots from the target to deal X damage depending on the time remaining (3rd super dot doesn't count). Bain (AoE dot spreader) and pre-EW Tri-Dissaster (applies both dots instantly) making a comeback under different names. Of course GRN will most likely have a rez spell. Anyways. This was fun to speculate.
I actually don't want to see that dot remover ability. Too close to dragon kick which was WAY to clunky, and got reworked so many times until they just removed it entirely and used it's animation as one of the monk pb abilities.
Haha, using the gauge to track dots was what I've imagined a reworked scholar dot system would look like; you'd tether to an enemy and they'd take constant damage depending on your "bio gauge" which you had to refill with certain skills and each gauge has different durations. Bane would spread the tether on a shortish duration to nearby enemies. The problem with dots is that they take up debuff space so the tether debuff exists to only take up only one debuff slot.
Maybe green mage as a very specialized form of blue mage lore wise? Like, a Blue Mage who focuses on nature/plant based spells, or maybe even mix in swashbuckler elements to it?
I could see this being a pet class, kind of like a druid who aligns with an animal and synergises their aether. Tulal looks like it is abundant with nature, and if the flow of aether is weaker there then it could make sense to use the aether of other living creatures to produce magic, in the same way Red Mage uses an aether accelerator to turn small amounts of aether into big spells.
I'm personally in the camp that sees green mage as a smokescreen. However, I actually want it to be green mage/geomancer over say pitcomancer, so I do hope it ends up being the real deal, even if the hint feels a bit on the nose.
I still think Green Mage, just to fit with the other chromatic mage names. when you mentioned sage though it got me thinking that it could play in a similar way that Eukrasia augments a sages spell. you could apply a buff/debuff. with another spell. so say it could cast Toxify. or Bio. putting a dot on the target. but sat you could Syphon + Toxify, now applies the dot but also heals the mage. expanding further, instead of being like a Sage stuck with 1 prefix spell. a green mage has several prefix spells and only a few base spells but so you could use whatever prefix spell to enhance the base. making the base spell Aoe, buff party, debuff target further, change element type etc. some interesting play possibility
Feeling the class might not be called Green mage. It feels like it'd be really confusing considering the fact that DPS has a red icon plate and healers have a green icon plate. On top of that there really isn't anything about green Mage that is particularly interesting or unique. In the games that it's from it is typically a buff debuff made and used poison based damage over time spells. And while that might be good for a game like Final Fantasy Tactics, they've shown to be pushing us away from dots for the most part
My guess is green mage will be more geo/elemental based, like Soroban and Genbu, which is actually what i think the TMNT shirt pointed to more than just the colour green.
It's Green Mage for sure. "Teen Age" sounds like "Green Mage". The turtles are very team oriented (ie buffs/debuffs). Now this hint. After this I would be very surprised if it wasn't Green Mage.
I'm sticking with Geomancer. I know Daddy Yoshi P said no more old jobs, but Turtles, come on. 4 Turtles, 4 Lords, one of the 4 Lords being a Geomancer. PLEASE.
Not to mention it sort of ties into the story as well. Erenville confirmed it IS where he is from in the expansion trailer & he's bringing the person from 6.5 (the pair of legs) to the WoL. With Green Mage having direct ties to Viera it makes sense.
Green Mage could fit a neat almost bard like role for the caster group still a dps but focused on maybe debuffing the enemy so your group does more damage as a whole, i'm sure that would be hell to balance but still would kinda love to see it Green Mage or Not i'm 1000000% on team give Krile more screen time
Hot take prediction for casters: SMN will lose res, RDM and Green Mage will both have it. Two "utility" casters, 2 "pure" casters. RDM/SMN will want Crit>Sps and BLM/Green will want Sps>Crit. 2 pairs in 2 different ways. I doubt they'll go for DOT mage due to issues with TOP boss having too many buffs/debuffs on them at one point IIRC.
I'm on team "please no...", mostly just because the name is dumb. It's like Dragon Ball Super, where you just name every transformation after a new colour... It's so uncreative. And if you change the name and make major changes to how it's played, you might as well drop the entire thing. I'd be fine with something like Druid though, that might be fun.
Turtles are green and all the turtles have shells and the clover charm? I think green mage. Im really hoping they bring back shadowflare in a fashion and let green be the dot mage. I've missed that actually.
I am very cautiously optimistic as for two things, Krile being more forward in the expansion hopefully and second, I really want the new job as Pictomancer as it feels generally much more interesting as a class than what I "could" see as green mage. It also would give some love/lore to older dungeons like the Antitower back in Heavensward. But besides all that I hope its picto but i don't generally mind if its another class anyhows.
The support/debuff aspect may not be completely out of the question. Augment Evoker in WoW has been pretty successful even if it's not exactly balanced. I could see them doing something similar in FF14. Personally I'm hoping for more of a dot based caster but we'll see.
Dark Knight in 14 isn't particularly Dark Knight either. Dark Knight has traditionally been a "What is a tank? I'm here to burn my HP for more damage." class in almost any incarnation outside DRK, so fitting Green Mage into something outside the typical wouldn't surprise me.
@@yumnits2946 Because the ice is forming out of nothing. Usually trees and vines are sprouting of the ground when they're summoned in other fantasy stuff. It's the difference between the thing you're summoning already existing or not.
Im all for a Green Mage, mostly because Green is my favorite color so i kinda dont care what they do with it i just want it lol. I already try to glam mostly green outfits on my WoL so this would just fit perfectly. But im honestly not picky on any potential new jobs, im just excited to see what they are
A friend of mine did say that Yoshi P said to finish the 6.5 msq before fan fest, potentially because it could tie in with the new job reveal. I couldn’t find anywhere where he said that, but I’m not the best at that kind of information gathering.
I'm kinda hoping it's the compliment to Red Mage As in, instead of a caster with healer abilities, it's a caster with tank abilities (decoy, bubble, reverse, shell etc)
RE the TMNT T-shirt, worth noting that the film that's referencing, from what I read at the time, has the turtles much more mystically/magically focused, rather than melee focused iirc. I can see how a green mage with abilities that augment physical attacks with some kind of super simple poison dot (5 damage per tick for example) could be quite good fun.
Always felt like they were leaning away from dots in part because they were an issue for hunts though I guess in the long run that’s pretty minimal content and not a reason to not make a dot user at all. Just would be funny to see them kicking each other’s dots off those bosses lol I was hoping a bit more for pictomancer but I won’t lie it was mostly so we could have paintbrush styled weapons or some such outside the makai rod for blam mages. Whatever we get I hope it has a cool weapon as I’m unsure with the melee - feeling like we’re just going to get another sword styled job potentially
Dont forget that necromancer and berserker was shown to be a job class that exist back in the hero's gauntlet dungeon maybe we will allso visit the reflection there those champions came from
Green mage makes sense. Healers and Melee DPS got a new job in EW. Tanks and rphysDPS got a job in SB. Now, a job that slots into the R magic role, that hasn't been touched since SB, makes sense. Plus whatever shares scouting armor with NIN... Corsair.
Also a reminder, while their official art often portrayed then using staff, green mage also can use mace as their weapon That alone already give them unique flavor since we finally get a non tank using heavy blunt weapon
Now that we know what the first job will be, Viper, Leonardo was a Dual Sword wielder, and Donatello was a staff wielder. I'm thinking part of the tease with the shirt was just that for Viper, no idea if it teases the other job as well.
Tbh I feel if it WASNT Green Mage at this point, it would be a shock. Obviously it would be more like the sage modification and I think making it nature/druid/nature magics based makes sense and keep some of the classic green mage stuff on it but as an offensive nature themed rework. Would main that for dawn trail if it happened
There are some jobs they can choose from FF11 that aren't in FF14. There is also a lot to choose from, primarily from FF Tactics. I want Thief for a second job for Rogue, Ranger for a second job for Archer, Knight, or some other kind of tank, and Green Mage, who looks cool, might be a healer. There's also Geomancer or Time Mage, which could be a magic DPS, and with that, I have given my guesses for each role. Let's be honest, we're only getting 2 of these and the remaining 2 in the next expansion after Dawntrail.
I was hoping for a more druidic type job that actually has a connection to nature since WHM has moved past it's initial origins there. And with the graphical update (and the FOLIAGE!!) maybe we'll see some really cool animations.
When I played WoW Classic I played affliction warlock and that class was awesome. I'd love to manage dots in XIV. I get a taste of that with blue raiding but a more dedicated class for it would be appreciated. Granted I also think they'd just use the name and it won't be dot based but we'll see.
That’s what summoner was until 6.0. Summoner was basically if you combined affliction and destro and people loved it. Unfortunately bc people complained about how it didn’t feel like a summoner, the devs lobotomized it in Endwalker.
Team Green Mage as a nature mage, with White Mage leaving behind most of it's elemental spells in offense and only keeping stuff like the lilies and the bell, it gives room for maybe the other side of the coin, White Mage heals nature, Green Mage defends it, or maybe this is wishful thinking cause it's my favorite aesthetic and I REALLY want that Artifact armor lol
My fantasy (lol) seeing Yoshi-P wearing TMNT shirt, the charm leaf at the end of 6.5, and the whole trailer of Dawntrail is a special job in the form of Yokai, mystic form in the world of TMNT. The power of Yokai is resembled in the form of a leaf of 3, 6 or 9. This one has 3. The trailer reflects exploration, mysteries, food, magic, combat, festivities, personality and those sort of stuff which make Yokai..a Yokai :P The true power is born when Yokais are hit with elemental so they can imbue their weapon with it. The fight scene uses fire. And last of all, the Warrior of Light always wear a coat to hide his personality, how Yokai walk the land of man. Should be awesome fighting with imbued weapons!
i'm hoping they do what they did with sage to green mage. White mage feels more like a priest of nature rather than a druid found in other fantasy settings. FF14 needs a druidic themed job that goes harder on the nature aspect.
There is another job that might use that as a clue the gambler job class as you have hearts, diamonds, spades and clubs which look like the clover charm
I really hope for green mage purely because of the job gear I see in other FF games. It's so cute! It doesn't super matter to me either way though because I'll try out any new job they add. I am really hoping we get the Corsair/Melee job reveal in EU fan fest though because I wanna see that full section of the trailer please and thank you square.
I really hope the "Corsair" melee will be the one featured in London, mostly because of the hot WoL from the trailer and I wanna know more about it. If it ends up being Green Mage I sure hope it's more on the original side as you said, like Sage, because I love how they integrated this new healer into the game so we know they can do a great job with it.
I think Green Mages might be connected to Garlemald, since Oil is a core mechanic to Green Mages and Ceruleum is both a Garlean substance and the world's Oil equivalent
The thing is, GRM could *technically* be a buffer/debuffer in a way. With DoTs and maybe a Chain Stratagem/Mug equivalent sort of skill. Really leaning into party dps instead of personal dps would be interesting. In any case, if we get our nature mage I'll be very, very happy regardless of the playstyle.
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I predict that it is going to have a burst phase every 2 minutes where it uses empowered abilities and gains access to more ogcds. It will also have a gauge that builds through gcds that gives access to an additional ogcd with both an aoe and single target version.
damn didnt see that coming
Lmao it’s so sad how spot on this probably is
God I can't even really be excited for the new jobs beyond aesthetic reasons. Like Corsair is probably just going to be RDM 2.0, but instead of spells they use a gun.
idk how you came up w that
Meanwhile community: omg, that is such fun Job to play, they’re so creative, yoshiP is s god. Pls add more Mounts to the Shop and give us more Haircuts.
You mentioned the green mage "shell" skill in older games, and this also ties back to the TMNT t-shirt. Green turtles with shells starts to look more like green mage.
I want to add on to the theory that there are 4 turtles. The typical clover every one uses for images has four leaves too. Idk, maybe I'm just reaching or looking to into it
Also, green mages sometimes use time based spells. 95% chance its green mage at this point.
I am absolutely on team Green Mage, but in a more cautiously optimistic way.
I want green mage so bad. They have all the other mage colors, they need to complete the collection! I'm not quite sold that it will be the caster, but I hope it is.
@@khinzaw77 Thats the same boat Im in! I really want it to be the caster, but I dont necessarily believe that it will be.
@@khinzaw77collection won't be complete without yellow, orange, and purple
Plus I think pink mage was a thing in one game?
@@DrakeWurrum Don't think any of those are a thing in FF.
@@khinzaw77 - they're not. But they could be!
Still been hoping for the Pictomancer guesses people had.
Though a Nature-focused Green Mage/Geomancer would also be very nice.
I want it to be Pictomancer as that would be my permanent main, but specifically nature Green Mage would suffice if I can beat the shit out of Ifrit with a tree.
WoL: "I'm not only a master of blades, but also something of an artist as well." :)
Could be a mixture of both
Maybe get protect, shell and stoneskin back in some form :o
I think a proper nature mage would be quite cool, like you said, I could see them doing something with Green Mage like they did with Sage - take the idea and do something new with it. I'm inclined to think we'll have Corsair & Green Mage, can't wait to see more info at EU fanfest!
Maybe more aligned with the concept of druid?
I could see them combining Green mage and Geomancer together as a job.
would be cool to see a more western style druidic caster, using natural magics like vines and thorns. I'm still at a complete loss for what the caster class will be since I haven't been a huge FF fan prior to 14.
Would be super cool if it became a DoT sort of caster with poison and stuff
I really want a western styled druid type mage as well. Or the Apothecary as it's a really interesting concept.
But beyond everything, please just don't call the new mage class green mage...
it´s GEOMANCER! calling it now!
I'm in the Green Mage + Mystic Knight camp. It's just over a week till we find out at least one of them, which is awesome. Time sure flew since the NA Fanfest.
Even if it is green mage, I'm not sure what to expect. After all, Sage was completely different from how it traditionally is in other games, so we might see an entirely different path laid out for green mage.
If it is leading to green mage, I could see them setting it up as something like a druid style class. Offensive spells that do direct damage while having supportive spells to control and incapacitate foes. We can only wait and see.
That would be interesting. Although, Dancer kinda already does that.
Except that any kind of mob cc has been completely worthless so far (who uses sleep or bind?) with how this game plays, so I really doubt they'd go that route. And since shell/protect/stoneskin type stuff was already in the game once and then removed, along with the continuous removal of any and all DoTs, I don't see Green mage being viable without it just being Conjurer.
I’m thinking possibly Geomancer but I’m going off the outfit that the “legs” had on in the last scene before text and how inspired it looked from the tactics outfit.
Yeah looks very similar right?
I can’t wait to see Krile in her new caster gear when the full trailer drops :)
I would happily have a DoT mage back, with even more of a focus on keeping certain debuffs continuously running to fill a gauge, similar to how Bard used to be. that combination back on Summoner with Bio, Miasma and Bane and fester was a fun part of the job. While I dont think they have a place in the new summoner style, i would be happy to see them made a core part of a job.
Maybe a basic gauge gets filled by dealing damage with a dot, that unlocks a powerful, shorter duration dot that increases damage taken by other abilities during that time, to work it around the buff window. Could have something similar to Ley lines where they extend roots into the earth and it buffs Dot potency or adds in additional effects while stood in it.
they are not going to EVER have DOT mage because of our 3 second server tick. This is why they removed it from smn
Im all for getting a buffer/dot mage in the game, i would play the hell out of that.
You would’ve enjoyed 2.0 smn I figure
@@DioDinero unfortunately I didn't start till late SHB.
Also would love a dps with buffer/debuff/dot on the rotation
I love support type dps so I'm all for it as well.
i loved 3.xx -bow mage- BRD, does that count?
My logic for Green Mage is:
The clover = symbol on Ivalice Green Mage, we know YoshiP loves Ivalice.
Turtles are green = Green Mage.
"Heroes in a half shell" = Shell is a signature spell of Green Mage(and most often green, to differentiate it from the blue Protect). Likely raidwide mitigation ability.
Turtles are named after artists = Ivalice Green Mage has a beret, commonly associated with painters.
If this is all a big red herring, I'm okay with that too, though. xP
I personally liked the interpretation of the turtle shirt for green mage relating to shell being a spell they are well known for.
i would absolutely love a buff/debuffer class in ffxiv, i know it doesn’t really work in ffxiv but it’s one of my favorite playstyles in games so i’m on massive copium
I've been on team "druid/nature mage" this whole time. I'm not familiar with the old ff games, so idk if this aligns with "green mage", but my original reasoning was because SE commented that this area is very in-tune with the natural world, the plant graphics in particular were highlighted, and a plant-themed mage would immediately be distinct from the other jobs. ♥
Geomancer from FF5 would probably fit this pretty well. I think it would be good to pair with white mage similar to scholar/summoner personally.
WHM is already the nature mage, that is it's entire story line and most of it's spells are nature based.
@@blkguy3rd I don't think they will ever bring that system back. I'd kind of like it because it would mean less leveling if you've already leveled those jobs, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.
aligns more to Geomancer but if like Happy said they want to take a prexisting job like Sage and take their own spin thats fine. take green mage and take the green literally and turn it into our nature mage thats fine too.
I'm 100% on board with that. I'd love to throw a literal jungle at my enemies by utilizing plants and vines. They could also toss a healthy dose of water into the mix, allowing us to "seed" the enemies and then blast them with water-based spells, growing the seeds into dangerous plants that have varying effects. I could see it as an interesting take on the dot-mage class.
Green mage and spellblade, two formerly vierra specific jobs. That's why the WoL weapon's wasn't corsair-ish but instead felt like some sort of short runic rapier and he laughed when his robe caught fire.
Problem with spellblade is that Redmage took it. The melee gameplay basically *is* Spellblade.
@@TheUndyingCrystalno it’s not, they can easily make it work if they want
The experiment they seemed to be doing on the instance servers right after the 6.5 release with an increased buff limit (before it got rolled back because Dark Knights were getting freecure procs and Dancers were getting infinite tech step lol) makes me think one of the new jobs *is* meant to be very buff-heavy, and that would kind of support the GRM theory.
That one video of a dancer casting standard step like 150 times in thordan unreal had me rolling lmao, 4x the damage of the next best player
I could maybe see a green mage working in FF14's system if they go all in on the debuffing angle. Part of its gameplay loop being building up the right combination of debuffs on your enemies so that your damaging spells hit super hard, and/or having DPS spells that have different effects depending on which debuffs the target as.
Green mage = Geomancer with Eorzean job naming conventions.
Also of Note, The first 'turtle' you meet ingame is Soroban and the first thing that everyone thinks of the moment they see him? TMNT of course :P (i.e. the shirt reference) And what is Soroban training to be, but a Geomancer!
We also have Gosetsu also training in what appears to be Geomancy in the EW Role quests too.
Agreed ♥️
I remember seeing some speculation on what the 3-leafed clover means and some pointed out iirc it's symbolism for druids. Which would fit the "nature themed caster" idea. And if that's the case sign me up for some black robes next summer because I'm swapping to caster.
I really want a job that involve plants and vines and trees, its a great idea
I wish one of the jobs is Geomancer. No questions asked
I don't care if they call it "green mage" but I hope it's basically a geomancer/druid.
A caster that functions kinda like bard would be very cool, it cycles through dots like bard does songs and gives debuffs to the target
Hell no
@@guldonis1155 hell yes
Yeah I'm sure GRM would be reworked unique to XIV to fit in, would definitely love return of dot mage outside of BLU with dot bursts doing the damage all at once
Do other FF games have the job stones we do in XIV? Cuz I saw someone state, unequivocally, that the clover is the job stone for Green Mage. But couldn't find any supporting details on such.
Another point for the Green Mage theory is the fact that in the FF tactics games Green mage was a Viera exclusive job, and we know that Tural as a population of Vieras
If green mage were a copy/paste of old summoner minus the pet (and with different animations obviously) I’d be overjoyed
4:30 i mean personally, whenever i say Green Mage thats what i expect lol, is that theyd make it a new thing like Sage.
I also personally expect them to make it a DoT mage, especially because, like you said, theyve been trimming a lot of DoTs, potentially to make room for a "dedicated" DoT job. And, i really expect it to be a "Reaper has Heavy Thrust" situation, where they "recycle" an old job mechanic that didnt work for that job, but could work for this job. Just my thoughts lol.
Honestly, I think the charm is the Xpac earring, that we equip, for XP bonuses
Yep meant to throw off everyone 😂 it’s quite funny.
I've always been leaning green mage, basically their chance to clearly define a job that just hasn't been defined yet. White, Black, Red, Blue... Green would slot right in. As for what it would play like I don't know, but I think it's a much clearer design path than Picto. I suspect it would relate to a form of geomancer or druidic/shamanism.
I like the ideas you brought up. Still feel it's Corsair and Geomancer/Green Mage, especially now that the nature attack magics idea is out there (for the green mage), would be cool. It's very unlikely but a chemist caster could be cool too. Also love the mention of War of the Visions, really wish they would do some colab glamours for both Brave Exvius games. Appreciate the video MrHappy!
Good on the Sage call. When people get uppity on Green Mage's spell options, I'm just like "Yes and Sage is known for being a Poison/Bleed casting Barrier + Gundam".
We can get Nature Mage out of this, or even that Pictomancer but called Green Mage, under the same weirdness as Sage. Maybe this is Galuf's job, inherited by Krile.
Corsair has the opposite problem and I consider it far more copium. We have Rogue/Thief, and an abundance of actual Pirates no less as Gladiators and Marauders... the key elements of a piratey melee job are covered in 14 already. It's not impossible, but by what elements does the "piratey melee job" stand out or distinguish itself?
Happy, prepared to be upset, once I saw this scene and my wife reminded me about Yoshi's shirt? Yeah, I'm on the Green Mage train now. Also yes, 100% expecting it to be nothing like the FFTA2 Green Mage. A complete reimagining along the lines of what happened to Sage.
I think Green Mage is the obvious pick. I'd love to see them let GRN lean into support, like a more party buff oriented RDM. Shell, Protect, and Bubble could all work similarly to Magic Barrier & Tactician. Drain and Syphon could easily become DoTs, Oil could be a caster Trick Attack, or they could do a split phys/mag version with Deprotect & Deshell.
some sort of druidic type caster would be really cool. imo, do like they did with sage, and just borrow the name Green mage.
I was thinking if it is Green Mage it could retain the buffer/debuffer, but be more focused on buffing oneself or something and be the scouting melee class. The idea being that your burst window would potentially have debuffs like trick and mug (or something similar), buffs for days, and then no idea how they'd implement the actual physical/magical attacks. Some of the buffs maybe could be enhancing your weapons and others being your body. That being said, kinda see it more as a possibility than a "this is what I think will happen." Would be cool to get a twist like that.
I'm leaning more towards Green Mage personally, and I really hope they make it a bleed mage, so to speak. I think a bleed type job would be fitting, honestly think we need one. I didn't play Summoner back when it had a bunch of them, so I feel like this would be a good idea considering how many they've removed over the last couple expansions.
Green Mage - DoM Job. Will most likely be based around DoT gameplay. With the job Guage allowing you to track the duration of the dots as opposed to looking at the enemy's HP bar. 2 dots plus a 3rd "super dot" that's an OGCD but with a cooldown and cost "green mana" (longer duration the more green mana spent). A spell that removes dots from the target to deal X damage depending on the time remaining (3rd super dot doesn't count). Bain (AoE dot spreader) and pre-EW Tri-Dissaster (applies both dots instantly) making a comeback under different names. Of course GRN will most likely have a rez spell.
Anyways. This was fun to speculate.
I actually don't want to see that dot remover ability. Too close to dragon kick which was WAY to clunky, and got reworked so many times until they just removed it entirely and used it's animation as one of the monk pb abilities.
I like the concept, however I don't see them adding a dot based job when they are constantly removing dots from the jobs.
Haha, using the gauge to track dots was what I've imagined a reworked scholar dot system would look like; you'd tether to an enemy and they'd take constant damage depending on your "bio gauge" which you had to refill with certain skills and each gauge has different durations.
Bane would spread the tether on a shortish duration to nearby enemies.
The problem with dots is that they take up debuff space so the tether debuff exists to only take up only one debuff slot.
Maybe green mage as a very specialized form of blue mage lore wise? Like, a Blue Mage who focuses on nature/plant based spells, or maybe even mix in swashbuckler elements to it?
I could see this being a pet class, kind of like a druid who aligns with an animal and synergises their aether. Tulal looks like it is abundant with nature, and if the flow of aether is weaker there then it could make sense to use the aether of other living creatures to produce magic, in the same way Red Mage uses an aether accelerator to turn small amounts of aether into big spells.
I'm personally in the camp that sees green mage as a smokescreen. However, I actually want it to be green mage/geomancer over say pitcomancer, so I do hope it ends up being the real deal, even if the hint feels a bit on the nose.
I still think Green Mage, just to fit with the other chromatic mage names. when you mentioned sage though it got me thinking that it could play in a similar way that Eukrasia augments a sages spell. you could apply a buff/debuff. with another spell. so say it could cast Toxify. or Bio. putting a dot on the target. but sat you could Syphon + Toxify, now applies the dot but also heals the mage. expanding further, instead of being like a Sage stuck with 1 prefix spell. a green mage has several prefix spells and only a few base spells but so you could use whatever prefix spell to enhance the base. making the base spell Aoe, buff party, debuff target further, change element type etc. some interesting play possibility
Green and turtles have what? Shells. What is a common FF buff that geen mages have been known to use? Shell. Soooooooooooo.
Feeling the class might not be called Green mage. It feels like it'd be really confusing considering the fact that DPS has a red icon plate and healers have a green icon plate.
On top of that there really isn't anything about green Mage that is particularly interesting or unique. In the games that it's from it is typically a buff debuff made and used poison based damage over time spells.
And while that might be good for a game like Final Fantasy Tactics, they've shown to be pushing us away from dots for the most part
A plant-based Green Mage would be a good opportunity for them to show off their new plant graphics.
I'm likely to go with green mage/druid/shaman of sorts. Given the shamrocks history with Gaelic culture as well.
My guess is green mage will be more geo/elemental based, like Soroban and Genbu, which is actually what i think the TMNT shirt pointed to more than just the colour green.
Clovers could mean Gambler since 4 leaf clover is a luck symbol. But yes I think Green mage or Geomancer.
It's Green Mage for sure. "Teen Age" sounds like "Green Mage". The turtles are very team oriented (ie buffs/debuffs). Now this hint. After this I would be very surprised if it wasn't Green Mage.
I'm sticking with Geomancer. I know Daddy Yoshi P said no more old jobs, but Turtles, come on. 4 Turtles, 4 Lords, one of the 4 Lords being a Geomancer. PLEASE.
Exactly!
How green mage would work?
debuff- Dots
buff- be a magic support class (maybe aim more to helping healers/tanks)
Not to mention it sort of ties into the story as well. Erenville confirmed it IS where he is from in the expansion trailer & he's bringing the person from 6.5 (the pair of legs) to the WoL. With Green Mage having direct ties to Viera it makes sense.
If they do "green mage" please, PLEASE people: understand that all your glams for it do not have to be green.
Green Mage could fit a neat almost bard like role for the caster group still a dps but focused on maybe debuffing the enemy so your group does more damage as a whole, i'm sure that would be hell to balance but still would kinda love to see it
Green Mage or Not i'm 1000000% on team give Krile more screen time
Druidy/plant wizard ‘Green Mage’ is what I’m expecting now. I was on the pictomancer train but the 6.5 ending says otherwise.
Perhaps. That would be cool.
Always thought that the Green Mage design from FFTA series looks adorable, like these junior scouts who bake and sell cookies.
Hot take prediction for casters: SMN will lose res, RDM and Green Mage will both have it. Two "utility" casters, 2 "pure" casters. RDM/SMN will want Crit>Sps and BLM/Green will want Sps>Crit. 2 pairs in 2 different ways. I doubt they'll go for DOT mage due to issues with TOP boss having too many buffs/debuffs on them at one point IIRC.
I'm on team "please no...", mostly just because the name is dumb. It's like Dragon Ball Super, where you just name every transformation after a new colour... It's so uncreative. And if you change the name and make major changes to how it's played, you might as well drop the entire thing.
I'd be fine with something like Druid though, that might be fun.
Turtles are green and all the turtles have shells and the clover charm? I think green mage.
Im really hoping they bring back shadowflare in a fashion and let green be the dot mage. I've missed that actually.
I am very cautiously optimistic as for two things, Krile being more forward in the expansion hopefully and second, I really want the new job as Pictomancer as it feels generally much more interesting as a class than what I "could" see as green mage. It also would give some love/lore to older dungeons like the Antitower back in Heavensward. But besides all that I hope its picto but i don't generally mind if its another class anyhows.
It's not a clover, it's a club like in playing cards. We're getting Gambler job lol.
I thought the same thing. Gambler would be amazing!
The support/debuff aspect may not be completely out of the question. Augment Evoker in WoW has been pretty successful even if it's not exactly balanced. I could see them doing something similar in FF14. Personally I'm hoping for more of a dot based caster but we'll see.
MrHappy, i haven't watched you in a while but I'm happy that you're looking toned rn. Good work man
Buffer/Debuffer, essentially a supporter Mage with dots sounds good. I'm team Green Mage. The game could use some fresh air.
what if they mix both green mage and geomancer together
A clover could literally just as easily mean GEO
Dark Knight in 14 isn't particularly Dark Knight either. Dark Knight has traditionally been a "What is a tank? I'm here to burn my HP for more damage." class in almost any incarnation outside DRK, so fitting Green Mage into something outside the typical wouldn't surprise me.
I like the idea of Green Mage you presented, with it being nature themed with plants and what not. I feel like you can do a lot with that
I like the concept, but I imagine it would look more weird than cool to summon vines and shit in most settings and instances outside Gridania.
@@Daniel-qt5ib I mean, Black Mage is out here summoning giant chunks of ice, I don't see the issue with summoning giant trees or vines
@@yumnits2946 Because the ice is forming out of nothing. Usually trees and vines are sprouting of the ground when they're summoned in other fantasy stuff. It's the difference between the thing you're summoning already existing or not.
@Daniel-qt5ib well who's saying the plants also aren't being summoned from nothing?
Im all for a Green Mage, mostly because Green is my favorite color so i kinda dont care what they do with it i just want it lol. I already try to glam mostly green outfits on my WoL so this would just fit perfectly.
But im honestly not picky on any potential new jobs, im just excited to see what they are
Wow u really slimmed down took a break a few months back glad to see ur diet payed off
A friend of mine did say that Yoshi P said to finish the 6.5 msq before fan fest, potentially because it could tie in with the new job reveal. I couldn’t find anywhere where he said that, but I’m not the best at that kind of information gathering.
I'm kinda hoping it's the compliment to Red Mage
As in, instead of a caster with healer abilities, it's a caster with tank abilities (decoy, bubble, reverse, shell etc)
I'm still holding to my original guess.
The new magic job is Geomancer. The new melee job is going to be an FFXIV original.
I think the same.
RE the TMNT T-shirt, worth noting that the film that's referencing, from what I read at the time, has the turtles much more mystically/magically focused, rather than melee focused iirc.
I can see how a green mage with abilities that augment physical attacks with some kind of super simple poison dot (5 damage per tick for example) could be quite good fun.
I can see it being Green mage in name but using elements from other classes like geomancer as you said, still would like to see pictomancer.
Always felt like they were leaning away from dots in part because they were an issue for hunts though I guess in the long run that’s pretty minimal content and not a reason to not make a dot user at all. Just would be funny to see them kicking each other’s dots off those bosses lol
I was hoping a bit more for pictomancer but I won’t lie it was mostly so we could have paintbrush styled weapons or some such outside the makai rod for blam mages. Whatever we get I hope it has a cool weapon as I’m unsure with the melee - feeling like we’re just going to get another sword styled job potentially
Dont forget that necromancer and berserker was shown to be a job class that exist back in the hero's gauntlet dungeon maybe we will allso visit the reflection there those champions came from
Green mage makes sense. Healers and Melee DPS got a new job in EW. Tanks and rphysDPS got a job in SB. Now, a job that slots into the R magic role, that hasn't been touched since SB, makes sense. Plus whatever shares scouting armor with NIN... Corsair.
Also a reminder, while their official art often portrayed then using staff, green mage also can use mace as their weapon
That alone already give them unique flavor since we finally get a non tank using heavy blunt weapon
Now that we know what the first job will be, Viper, Leonardo was a Dual Sword wielder, and Donatello was a staff wielder. I'm thinking part of the tease with the shirt was just that for Viper, no idea if it teases the other job as well.
Tbh I feel if it WASNT Green Mage at this point, it would be a shock. Obviously it would be more like the sage modification and I think making it nature/druid/nature magics based makes sense and keep some of the classic green mage stuff on it but as an offensive nature themed rework. Would main that for dawn trail if it happened
There are some jobs they can choose from FF11 that aren't in FF14. There is also a lot to choose from, primarily from FF Tactics. I want Thief for a second job for Rogue, Ranger for a second job for Archer, Knight, or some other kind of tank, and Green Mage, who looks cool, might be a healer. There's also Geomancer or Time Mage, which could be a magic DPS, and with that, I have given my guesses for each role. Let's be honest, we're only getting 2 of these and the remaining 2 in the next expansion after Dawntrail.
I was hoping for a more druidic type job that actually has a connection to nature since WHM has moved past it's initial origins there. And with the graphical update (and the FOLIAGE!!) maybe we'll see some really cool animations.
When I played WoW Classic I played affliction warlock and that class was awesome. I'd love to manage dots in XIV. I get a taste of that with blue raiding but a more dedicated class for it would be appreciated. Granted I also think they'd just use the name and it won't be dot based but we'll see.
That’s what summoner was until 6.0. Summoner was basically if you combined affliction and destro and people loved it. Unfortunately bc people complained about how it didn’t feel like a summoner, the devs lobotomized it in Endwalker.
Team Green Mage as a nature mage, with White Mage leaving behind most of it's elemental spells in offense and only keeping stuff like the lilies and the bell, it gives room for maybe the other side of the coin, White Mage heals nature, Green Mage defends it, or maybe this is wishful thinking cause it's my favorite aesthetic and I REALLY want that Artifact armor lol
My fantasy (lol) seeing Yoshi-P wearing TMNT shirt, the charm leaf at the end of 6.5, and the whole trailer of Dawntrail is a special job in the form of Yokai, mystic form in the world of TMNT. The power of Yokai is resembled in the form of a leaf of 3, 6 or 9. This one has 3. The trailer reflects exploration, mysteries, food, magic, combat, festivities, personality and those sort of stuff which make Yokai..a Yokai :P The true power is born when Yokais are hit with elemental so they can imbue their weapon with it. The fight scene uses fire. And last of all, the Warrior of Light always wear a coat to hide his personality, how Yokai walk the land of man. Should be awesome fighting with imbued weapons!
i'm hoping they do what they did with sage to green mage. White mage feels more like a priest of nature rather than a druid found in other fantasy settings. FF14 needs a druidic themed job that goes harder on the nature aspect.
There is another job that might use that as a clue the gambler job class as you have hearts, diamonds, spades and clubs which look like the clover charm
It's not only that the turtles are green. They also have a shell, which is one of the most iconic Green Mage spells. ♥
I really hope for green mage purely because of the job gear I see in other FF games. It's so cute! It doesn't super matter to me either way though because I'll try out any new job they add.
I am really hoping we get the Corsair/Melee job reveal in EU fan fest though because I wanna see that full section of the trailer please and thank you square.
I really hope the "Corsair" melee will be the one featured in London, mostly because of the hot WoL from the trailer and I wanna know more about it. If it ends up being Green Mage I sure hope it's more on the original side as you said, like Sage, because I love how they integrated this new healer into the game so we know they can do a great job with it.
They could be enhancing buffs and element resist buffs, while the debuffs are more centered around reducing the enemies effectiveness.
My first thought when I saw the earring was that it was gonna be a 7.0 pre order earring
I think Green Mages might be connected to Garlemald, since Oil is a core mechanic to Green Mages and Ceruleum is both a Garlean substance and the world's Oil equivalent
The thing is, GRM could *technically* be a buffer/debuffer in a way. With DoTs and maybe a Chain Stratagem/Mug equivalent sort of skill. Really leaning into party dps instead of personal dps would be interesting. In any case, if we get our nature mage I'll be very, very happy regardless of the playstyle.