Wow, this video had everything. Current release review. Alternatives for every bottle with a quick taste+review. Quality to price analysis. And most importantly, a rant. Had to be done. I felt the same way myself. Keep sending this man samples, everyone. He's one of the few that doesn't pull punches or hold back on unbridled emotion when sh*t is good. Excellent work, Bill. Cheers.
I like how you always do a comparison, so much better than just an "it's good" in a vacuum. Reduces the amount of "yeah, but is it better than...." brain cycles on our end. Thanks for the review! 👍🏿
You really gave Heaven Hill a good taking to lol. Agree with you wholeheartedly though, never gonna pay that much for a 6-7 year old whiskey. Great review.
I think the cost is more of a difference of buying a specialized strain from a family farm instead of massive quantities of feed grade yellow dent corn than it is a pure money grab. Also applaud heaven hill for the innovation, and trying something new, and not going crazy with the pricing like when Buffalo Trace did the Daniel Weller with Emmer wheat.
That’s a good perspective on it. But I would bet the transportation savings and economies of scale Heaven hill has help balance the cost difference in the corn. I think they did go a bit overboard on pricing should have been about $65 a bottle. Buffalo trace of course went way more overboard but that’s not surprising from them
Way NOT to sugar coat it Bill! 😂I'd never buy these at $100. So many crazy amazing options out there. Just got a UPS delivery with Dad's Hat BiB Monongahela Mash (want to taste against A Overhold), and Cask Strength. I'm a big Rye fan. Just cracked James E Pepper last night. Super good, saw your review on that guy. Keep it real, refreshing to watch your content.
I had a chance at all 3 but passed. Seemed like just another $100 a bottle whiskey. Everything is 100 bucks now it seems like. I'll take a Green River Full Proof for 50 bucks.
You had mentioned sponsors here, which reminded me ... A while back I had joked with you about possibly getting a Manscaped sponsor. Well, just the other day, I saw a whiskeytube channel that actually *was* sponsored by Manscaped. (That channel has a guy with a beard so he was demonstrating the shaver on his face but, like I said before, one motto of Manscaped is, "Show them you care by caring for your pair." 😁)
“None of these are Barrell Proof”…That’s incorrect…”The first edition of Heaven Hill Grain to Glass Kentucky Straight Rye Whiskey aged for six years in rickhouse W3 on the third, fourth and fifth floors. It was bottled at barrel proof without chill filtration at 123.2 proof. The corn seed varietal chosen for this release was Beck’s 6158.” Taken from their website.
Speaking of Wilderness Trail, I just saw a bottle of Wilderness Trail Settlers Select Single Barrel Barrel Proof Rye (longest f**king name ever) with the green label and was so tempted to snag it at $70 as a WTrail fan. Alas, I did not. Wonder if anyone has had it?
This idea isnt that new when it comes to whiskey. Scotch brands can often have "local barley" editions of their stuff. Although it does come with a price premium (as Heaven Hill is well aware of). But since we're all piling on in the comments, if anyone really wants a "farm to glass" experience, look no further than Frey Ranch. They're growing everything they distill on-site. THEMSELVES!
@@bourbonbill had a couple single barrel barrel strengths. They are grain forward but in a very good way. Check out their website for even more crazy stuff (quad malt, single malt and a malted corn whiskey), they have some bundle options that can be shipped right to your door.
@@bourbonbill, Josh Stuff said, "Frey Ranch highlights the grain so can be polarizing." And another channel, when talking about a craft barrel pick they went on -- not a *Frey Ranch* barrel pick -- said that the five barrel pick samples they were given all tasted like "young bourbon with a ton of flavor." And then summarized that that bourbon they had been sampling "feels small town like Frey Ranch." If you ever review Frey Ranch I'll watch but, from what I've heard so far, *I'm* not tryin' it.
The wheated was surprisingly my favorite of the 3 but I’m still not a fan of the price when you can get larceny barrel proof for less that’s better or just as good batch depending of course
As a sample bottle enthusiast I appreciate the Liquid Ministries info! Very nice! Edited: I was thinking - I have seen that....They kinda look like Frank August LOL. Cheers
Great review! I drank my HH rye along with you. I really liked it but im with you on the price. Gotta get me a wilderness trail rye pick from DC. Cheers Bill🥃.
Oh man. Speaking of Farm to Glass. I just got my hands on a Dad's Hat cask Strength Founders' Cask VII. Omfg, if you haven't tried. I recommend highly at 127 proof. But pass on the Monongahela Mash BiB. Nose is crazy but the rest is very lackluster, A Overholt is far superior on the Mon Mash.
@@bourbonbill I mail ordered from the distillery. In PA it's a flat $10 shipping. FWGS sells some of the lower offerings, but not the cask strength. I heard they've done barrel picks for out of state stores as well.
To also further that argument beam has knob creek which is always a better value in terms of age but they very rarely release barrel proof knob creek. Meanwhile heaven hill over here offering us older and barrel proof for $70ish a bottle but then charges more for the younger non barrel proof stuff lol
@@bourbonbill I got a KC 14y pick a month ago for 55. Bookers is 100. I can get a ECBP for 70ish and even a pick in WV for 65ish. Then there is these things for 100 bucks. (I really can't let HH off the hook for the HH18 pricing either. That killed my wallet...) All the distilleries feel a bit disjointed right now with pricing and releases. I'd still rather have a KC Pick or ECBP over most booker and special releases nowadays. No fomo needed. (Man that HH18 was such a bummer haha)
@@natestrings673dang where did you find a 14yr KC pick this day and age? And yeah the HH18 was not a worthy successor to the HH17 that’s for sure and yeah the whole market feels disjointed with pricing and quality right now only beam is holding fast at decent values for age these days
Yeah I don't mind spending $100 on a very good bottle... But I wouldn't reach for this one even before your review. ECBP and Larceny BP are just too damn good for 35% less dollhairs. I could (edit: could NOT) reach past either of those to give more money for a grain to glass Heaven Hill lower proof.
My man BB, giving a decent shake of the hands to start off this review 😂 I saw a bottle of the wheated today at $115... PASS. This was a cash grab for tater suckers! Hopefully these will just sit on the shelf at that price. Heck, today I passed on JM Cigar Blend $189. Just can't do it in this economy 😂
Haha yeah it’s overpriced stuff for sure. I feel the same way about the cigar blends I hear they are getting back to what they used to be but it’s such a gamble on a batch and an expensive gamble
@bourbonbill before seeing the price I thought about picking one up if I saw it. I usually don't care for the nuttiness typical of HH stuff, so after seeing the price it was an easy pass. I think they played shenanigans with their BiB.... let it age an extra year and double or triple the price. But I get it, distillers probably want some of the higher profits the distributors and retailers are making.
@@bourbonbill It's part of your brand identity. I picked up saying "America" when I pull a cork out because I watch Matt from ADHD Whiskey and he consistently says it. It's part of your Schtick.
Love your videos, as I've stated before. Maybe just me, but I only wish you wouldn't edit out your tasting (the actual pouring into your mouth and swallowing and reacting to it on the spot - think ADHD Whiskey) and just keep it rolling. It can't save but a few seconds of time, I'd think.
@@bourbonbill fair enough that makes sense. I guess "reasonable" time is relative to the viewer and if they just want to bang out info on the juice and move on vs if they actually enjoy everything surrounding the experience and the topic itself. I find myself in the latter camp but I may be the exception. Regardless, thanks for the reply and keep killing it. Me and my bourbon crew enjoy your takes on whiskeys we drink and hunt.
Wow, this video had everything. Current release review. Alternatives for every bottle with a quick taste+review. Quality to price analysis. And most importantly, a rant. Had to be done. I felt the same way myself.
Keep sending this man samples, everyone. He's one of the few that doesn't pull punches or hold back on unbridled emotion when sh*t is good.
Excellent work, Bill. Cheers.
Haha thanks Ralph! It was hard to pack all that into less than 20 mins
Well said!
I like how you always do a comparison, so much better than just an "it's good" in a vacuum. Reduces the amount of "yeah, but is it better than...." brain cycles on our end. Thanks for the review! 👍🏿
Thanks and yeah I hate doing just a singular review gives no context
@@bourbonbill,
Finding comparisons must be easy for you with what seems like 500 bottles in the collection. 😉😄
@@Best_Served_Neat_On_Icehaha you need to watch my collection video I make do with about 60ish bottles lol
Favorite Bourbon Reviewer right here
Thanks!
You really gave Heaven Hill a good taking to lol. Agree with you wholeheartedly though, never gonna pay that much for a 6-7 year old whiskey. Great review.
Haha i gave them a piece of my mind lol but I doubt anyone from Heaven Hill will watch
I think the cost is more of a difference of buying a specialized strain from a family farm instead of massive quantities of feed grade yellow dent corn than it is a pure money grab. Also applaud heaven hill for the innovation, and trying something new, and not going crazy with the pricing like when Buffalo Trace did the Daniel Weller with Emmer wheat.
That’s a good perspective on it. But I would bet the transportation savings and economies of scale Heaven hill has help balance the cost difference in the corn. I think they did go a bit overboard on pricing should have been about $65 a bottle. Buffalo trace of course went way more overboard but that’s not surprising from them
Way NOT to sugar coat it Bill! 😂I'd never buy these at $100. So many crazy amazing options out there. Just got a UPS delivery with Dad's Hat BiB Monongahela Mash (want to taste against A Overhold), and Cask Strength. I'm a big Rye fan. Just cracked James E Pepper last night. Super good, saw your review on that guy. Keep it real, refreshing to watch your content.
Haha thanks for watching and man I need to try some dads hat I’m thinking cask strength finished rye from them would be the sweet spot for me
I had a chance at all 3 but passed. Seemed like just another $100 a bottle whiskey. Everything is 100 bucks now it seems like. I'll take a Green River Full Proof for 50 bucks.
Yeah that’s the smart choice green river is a way better value
That B524 was quite the let down. Regular Heaven Hill BIB is delicious......May have to blow a hundo to try this.
I wouldn’t waste the hundo but if you did regular BIB it just might be your jam
You had mentioned sponsors here, which reminded me ...
A while back I had joked with you about possibly getting a Manscaped sponsor. Well, just the other day, I saw a whiskeytube channel that actually *was* sponsored by Manscaped. (That channel has a guy with a beard so he was demonstrating the shaver on his face but, like I said before, one motto of Manscaped is, "Show them you care by caring for your pair." 😁)
Haha that’s hilarious
“None of these are Barrell Proof”…That’s incorrect…”The first edition of Heaven Hill Grain to Glass Kentucky Straight Rye Whiskey aged for six years in rickhouse W3 on the third, fourth and fifth floors. It was bottled at barrel proof without chill filtration at 123.2 proof. The corn seed varietal chosen for this release was Beck’s 6158.” Taken from their website.
Ah so the rye is barrel proof good to know still a horrible value though
Speaking of Wilderness Trail, I just saw a bottle of Wilderness Trail Settlers Select Single Barrel Barrel Proof Rye (longest f**king name ever) with the green label and was so tempted to snag it at $70 as a WTrail fan. Alas, I did not. Wonder if anyone has had it?
Dang that sounds great how old was it?
Pricey
Yeah you got that right for sure
This idea isnt that new when it comes to whiskey. Scotch brands can often have "local barley" editions of their stuff. Although it does come with a price premium (as Heaven Hill is well aware of).
But since we're all piling on in the comments, if anyone really wants a "farm to glass" experience, look no further than Frey Ranch. They're growing everything they distill on-site. THEMSELVES!
Now they are a distillery I would like to try I hear good things about the rye and bourbon cask strength offerings
@@bourbonbill had a couple single barrel barrel strengths. They are grain forward but in a very good way. Check out their website for even more crazy stuff (quad malt, single malt and a malted corn whiskey), they have some bundle options that can be shipped right to your door.
@@javieracosta3439I don’t know lol grain forward doesn’t usually mean good in my book but I’ll have to try one regardless
@@bourbonbill,
Josh Stuff said, "Frey Ranch highlights the grain so can be polarizing."
And another channel, when talking about a craft barrel pick they went on -- not a *Frey Ranch* barrel pick -- said that the five barrel pick samples they were given all tasted like "young bourbon with a ton of flavor." And then summarized that that bourbon they had been sampling "feels small town like Frey Ranch."
If you ever review Frey Ranch I'll watch but, from what I've heard so far, *I'm* not tryin' it.
Seems pretty much like the red label is the only one that might be worth picking up from all the reviews I've seen .
The wheated was surprisingly my favorite of the 3 but I’m still not a fan of the price when you can get larceny barrel proof for less that’s better or just as good batch depending of course
Miss fire place n stockings, dont let xmas die dollar bill!!!!
Haha I’ll never let it die but we did move so no more fireplace unfortunately
As a sample bottle enthusiast I appreciate the Liquid Ministries info! Very nice! Edited: I was thinking - I have seen that....They kinda look like Frank August LOL. Cheers
Haha yeah they do! Nicest sample bottles I’ve ever seen
Great review! I drank my HH rye along with you. I really liked it but im with you on the price. Gotta get me a wilderness trail rye pick from DC. Cheers Bill🥃.
Yeah for sure wilderness trail picks are always great I think their rye is my favorite of that they do though
Oh man. Speaking of Farm to Glass. I just got my hands on a Dad's Hat cask Strength Founders' Cask VII. Omfg, if you haven't tried. I recommend highly at 127 proof. But pass on the Monongahela Mash BiB. Nose is crazy but the rest is very lackluster, A Overholt is far superior on the Mon Mash.
Man I've never had Dads Hat but that sounds great does FWGS sell that or distillery only? The Founders?
@@bourbonbill I mail ordered from the distillery. In PA it's a flat $10 shipping. FWGS sells some of the lower offerings, but not the cask strength. I heard they've done barrel picks for out of state stores as well.
He’s done it again I can’t believe. Bourbon Bill for president.
Haha I do what I can a man of the people
holdenmullaney,
Or Vice President. 😉
This video was easily 10 minutes longer than it needed to be.
Thanks for watching the whole thing though to confirm helps the algorithms
Great info! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Crazy to have 100 bucks for a 6-7 year product in a fancy bottle? Bookers would like to have a word with you haha
Hahah had me laughing because I do hate bookers pricing too but but at least bookers is barrel proof….. just saying
To also further that argument beam has knob creek which is always a better value in terms of age but they very rarely release barrel proof knob creek. Meanwhile heaven hill over here offering us older and barrel proof for $70ish a bottle but then charges more for the younger non barrel proof stuff lol
@@bourbonbill I got a KC 14y pick a month ago for 55. Bookers is 100. I can get a ECBP for 70ish and even a pick in WV for 65ish. Then there is these things for 100 bucks. (I really can't let HH off the hook for the HH18 pricing either. That killed my wallet...) All the distilleries feel a bit disjointed right now with pricing and releases. I'd still rather have a KC Pick or ECBP over most booker and special releases nowadays. No fomo needed. (Man that HH18 was such a bummer haha)
@@natestrings673dang where did you find a 14yr KC pick this day and age? And yeah the HH18 was not a worthy successor to the HH17 that’s for sure and yeah the whole market feels disjointed with pricing and quality right now only beam is holding fast at decent values for age these days
It seems most new releases have the same problem: tastes good, pricing bad 😂.
Thanks for the video ✌️
Tell me about it
Good whiskey, bad price. I think that sums it up. Great video
I should have kept the video shorter and just said that lol
Yeah I don't mind spending $100 on a very good bottle... But I wouldn't reach for this one even before your review. ECBP and Larceny BP are just too damn good for 35% less dollhairs. I could (edit: could NOT) reach past either of those to give more money for a grain to glass Heaven Hill lower proof.
Yeah that’s the real problem here is compared to what else they sell this isn’t really compelling and then the price kills it
My man BB, giving a decent shake of the hands to start off this review 😂 I saw a bottle of the wheated today at $115... PASS. This was a cash grab for tater suckers! Hopefully these will just sit on the shelf at that price. Heck, today I passed on JM Cigar Blend $189. Just can't do it in this economy 😂
Haha yeah it’s overpriced stuff for sure. I feel the same way about the cigar blends I hear they are getting back to what they used to be but it’s such a gamble on a batch and an expensive gamble
Testify! Too late in the bursting bourbon bubble to be touting grain to glass nonsense.
Yeah that’s also a great point. People are pushing back on the high cost etc it really was the wrong time to introduce that
I saw a wheated one on a shelf for mid $90s, and my eyes about popped out. That's a ridiculous price.
Yeah absolutely without even tasting it the on paper shock value of the price is high
@bourbonbill before seeing the price I thought about picking one up if I saw it. I usually don't care for the nuttiness typical of HH stuff, so after seeing the price it was an easy pass. I think they played shenanigans with their BiB.... let it age an extra year and double or triple the price.
But I get it, distillers probably want some of the higher profits the distributors and retailers are making.
@@SigSauerSauceyeah this is definitely less nutty than their usual stuff for sure.
SigSauer,
Guys are "flipping" these right now in the groups. Package deal of three for 400.
Heaven hill can’t fool bourbon bill😂 because he was born to keep it real…
Haha I do what I can
You really need a Bourbon Bill 100 Proof Compute Compute 50% ABV T-Shirt, or something catchy. 😁
I like that idea
Dude that's hilarious.
@@bourbonbill It's part of your brand identity. I picked up saying "America" when I pull a cork out because I watch Matt from ADHD Whiskey and he consistently says it. It's part of your Schtick.
Fair review BB!
Thanks Mike. Have you tried these yet?
Dang another hot dish of truth served here love it
Haha you are welcome
Them big wigs at the HH distillery think they need that big 6 figure salary.
They must be getting bonuses for this release lol
Love your videos, as I've stated before.
Maybe just me, but I only wish you wouldn't edit out your tasting (the actual pouring into your mouth and swallowing and reacting to it on the spot - think ADHD Whiskey) and just keep it rolling. It can't save but a few seconds of time, I'd think.
I usually have to edit a good bit to get the time down to a reasonable video length you would be surprised how many minutes that cuts out
@@bourbonbill fair enough that makes sense. I guess "reasonable" time is relative to the viewer and if they just want to bang out info on the juice and move on vs if they actually enjoy everything surrounding the experience and the topic itself. I find myself in the latter camp but I may be the exception.
Regardless, thanks for the reply and keep killing it. Me and my bourbon crew enjoy your takes on whiskeys we drink and hunt.
Not only on paper but in the glass is pretty bad too!! I’m speaking of the bourbon. It’s not good!!
Haha I didn’t hate it but it’s not worth what they are asking for it. If it was $45 to $50 I’d be a player