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In his apology he made, he said he was switching back and forth between his character's voice and his own because he was still trying to be in the scene.
I forget that Christian Bale is English sometimes, I've heard him speak with an American accent so many times I have to remind myself that it isn't his normal voice. 😂
Several critics who even if they did not otherwise care for the film, *commended Anton Yelchin's performance as young Kyle Reese for matching Michael Biehn's original portrayal without feeling like an overt imitation.*
@@TrueMohax Yeah Joker would've bee a good movie on it's own about a mentally unstable guy going nuts. But it wouldn't have been a box office hit or even known if it didn't ride on Joker so everyone knows who they're talking about. Sad they can't do anything original anymore from scratch like Forest Gump or One Flew Over the Coo Coo's Nest
Agreed. And honestly, with all its flaws included, this is still easily my 3rd favorite Terminator movie. I liked Worthington, too. Sometimes I felt like Doug went a little out of his way to diss his lines and acting in the movie.
To give you an idea of how much the ownership of this series has been passed around over the years: - The first Terminator film is owned by MGM through Orion Pictures - Terminator 2 is owned by StudioCanal while the US home video rights are currently held by Lionsgate via their acquisition of Artisan Entertainment - Terminator 3 and Salvation are owned by Warner Bros and were distributed by Columbia Pictures internationally - Genisys and Salvation are owned by Paramount
What irritates me the most is that how does Skynet know of John Connor's father and why would John Connor include Kyle Reese in his rant to Marcus bot? And Marcus bot actually think a pubescent boy fathered a 30 year old man without the knowledge of time travel?
John including Kyle makes sense. Earlier they established that Kyle Reese was higher on Skynet's kill-list than even Connor himself. With that info, it makes sense that John would assume the machines including Marcus who appeared to be a Terminator, knew that Kyle is his father. That being said, the other 2 don't have any explanation.
Skynet knew because something-something time travel. One of the more subtle things that flew under people's radar was that the timeline had been messed with. One of John Connor's things was that he was concerned about how soon the T-800's were being developed because it was earlier than it should've been. Same with Marcus-bot's existence not being known to John, even though it seems like that's the sort of thing Kyle should've passed on to Sarah given that he was in the middle of the Marcus-bot event.
@@AdmiralBlackstar you know in hindsight that almost makes sense. Genesis, for all its flaws, established the concept that Skynet has been jumping to parallel timelines. It is possible that a version of Skynet wound up in this timeline and gave a dumber version of itself a helping hand.
Well, Skynet likely had access to the files on Kyle from the past, like the police tapes. Given Skynet could access all the world's information. Likely they don't know he is John's father, but know he is important to John.
I was looking forward to a good time of 80s post apocalyptic combat with killer machines with plasma rifles. Instead it's just a generic, uninspired post modern post apocalyptic movie. I was wanting that Cameron future war style of a movie, not just dudes with ARs.
genisys was so bad the movie set was just depressing and unenjoyable to be on. Interestingly, Emilia Clarke also reveals that as reports of the Terminator tumult started making the news cycle, the crew of another (nearby-shooting,) contemporaneous controversy-plagued production in Fox’s Josh Trank-directed Fantastic Four reboot poked some fun at the expense of Genisys, stating that they had jackets made that read, “At least we’re not on Terminator.” -
I might have an unpopular opinion, though. I wouldn't want to compare this film with the likes of Mad Max: Fury Road, but from my point of view, seeing how this film could've been amazing, they DO have a few in common as well as having a few differences. They both came out several years after the original in the series and both had troubled productions and both have a British star as the lead. One was critically acclaimed and was a box office hit while the other was critically panned and was a box office bomb. The leads have a little in common as well, one bearly does anyone while the other bearly says anything and they even often have minimal screentime. I havn't seen either films but thats as much as I can add.
@@YuniorGamboa They resolved it perfectly in DCEU with voice modulation. its not Conroys voice but if we are talking about movies simply changing Batman voice would sound bad.
RIP Anton Yelchin, the man who brought the Trollhunter to life. Seriously, watch the _Tales of Arcadia_ franchise. It's the magnum opus masterpiece of both Dreamworks AND Guillermo del Toro. #TalesOfArcadia
Is anyone else sick to death of time travel, and just wants a straight up post-apocalyptic War film? I want to see John Connor and Kyle Reese meeting, fighting in the War together with Connor mentoring Reese in a reserve son-father relationship. And the film culminating in a final victory against SkyNet, and sending Kyle Reese back in time to preserve the timeline?
That is the movie I wanted to see. No point in that other Marcus storyline. What I wanted was Connor figuring out what to do, getting the resistance together, figuring out how to defeat Skynet, and finally doing it. Connor is pretty much a useless side character in this movie when he should finally have been the undeniable main character so we could finally see why he and his existence was so important in the first movies.
@@DoratTheKiller that type of future is probably too boring or cliche for them to do that type of series these days. Post apocalyptic movies was more of a pre-90s thing when everyone was afraid of nuclear war with the Russians. Disease, poverty, and massive civil unrest seem more like a reality to us in the 2000s. IMO the most notable PA movies I can think of in the last decade were book of ELI and the Road.
Damn, I didn't remember how perfectly Anton Yelchin nailed Kyle Reese! He got Biehn's performance down so well that it's almost scary. Such a shame what happened to him. RIP.
Just for the record: I actually like Terminator Salvation. It's one of the most unique of the movies and I wish more Terminator movies take place in the future
Thank you! If you ask me, Terminator Salvation is not only “not bad” but is actually *good.* the soundtrack was great, the robot designs were great, the set designs and effects were great (except de-aged Arnold) and was the first movie to actually try to do something different. It was definitely flawed and obviously not as good as the first two but it’s far from being the complete forgettable trash that a lot of people make it out to be. It’s also the only one that can actually fit into the Terminator timeline as a prequel to 1 and 2 without addressing any of the others.
That's actually a good idea for a rewrite. Make Marcus wake up with John around in the beginning of the movie, they fight the machines together, find Kyle Reese, try to return to base, John says something to the effect of "we have mines but don't worry, they're magnetic to target the machines only, just keep your guns elevated and you'll be fine" and he blows up
Yeah, hell they could even still have that scene with him in prison selling his organs, but put it after he gets blown up, and is hanging. Hell it would even make the final scene that much more emotional if John even tells him, "You're our only hope now.....keep humanity alive." And then John dies there......FUCK,
Yes and that is very true that is the ONLY thing good about this we got an arcade shoot out game which was 100 times better than the piece of crap we got which don’t get me wrong the terminators looked fucking great and I say the LOOK of them everything else was just a cluster fuck of wtf moments
@@swagmaster5103 the arcade shoot out definitely though is one of the best arcade games ever. Proving some movies make better video games than Hollywood blockbusters...
Everytime I see Anton Yelchin as Jim Lake Jr. I get teary eyed that he wasn't around to see how people reacted to his preformance. But what makes me feel better is that he voiced him in Trollhunters for 41 of the 52 episodes.
Focus Group Ending: The film originally ended with John Connor dying, and his corpse was skinned and placed over Marcus so that Marcus would impersonate him from then on. Test audiences hated it. The "heart transplant" ending saving his life was a quickly filmed re-shoot to change the ending into one that audiences would accept.
@@MUSICLOVER23429 But it would still work. Because the machines being fooled by that made sense. They know that John Connor is important, so of course they'd save him over the machine. And the humans would have to keep up the idea that he's important to them (and still needs to keep continuity with Marcus having his skin) so they send the hacked Terminators back to save him
Without time traveling aspect, it doesn't really feel like Terminator. I wished they elaborated Marcus is actually from the future but has a consciousness from a man in the past. The entire film could've been more focused on Kyle Reese's story, a coming of age teenager surviving the post-apocalyptic world. How he was enslaved by Skynet and was rescued by John Connor.
Plus Connor knows that machines can be re programmed. That future Marcus you describe could have been the one to help him hack the T 800 that he sends into the past in T2
I have a lot of issues with this movie but I say just one of them the title this is no terminator we know from the film so why call it terminator they should have called it terminated future that name is cooler
i don't think there is anything wrong with not having time travel be in the film i think the real issue is it never looked anything like the future we saw in T1 and T2. The human soldiers feel to "tacticool" looking more like modern SF rather than how the Soldiers looked in the films. plus they are armed with AR-15 type rifles which would not be good for taking out armored Terminators.
@@MrChickennugget360 That is so true. There are rarely any night scenes. Even when it is at night, it was not gothic and iconic. It felt like a student film in a desert. Too much yellow and green hues, lacking a lot of blue, purple and black hues.
or maybe he was raised by Marcus and ends up joining John toward the end to avenge him in some way? idk just thought of the idea after reading your comment, either way a good jumping off point to pitch other ideas.
I hate how they ruined the Marcos is a terminator thing in the trailer. That would’ve been a fantastic twist and couldve brought such depth to many of the characters.
Would have made for a better twist, but I can’t see how it would bring more depth to the characters. How much depth a character has would stay exactly the same regardless of you knew the twist or not.
@@windowsVD Doug says it pretty well in the review: Marcus could’ve come in, integrated himself with the resistance even become friends with John....and THEN is revealed as a terminator. They look up his past and find out he was a real human and maybe some of his nonexistent backstory. Like maybe he had been protecting someone and that’s why he was sentenced. It would’ve forced the group to confront their own prejudices about the machines, fact their morality, and cause some real conflict.
Apparently it's a bit of a thing, because they did the same thing with Genesys and I think even Judgement Day with spoiling a big reveal through the trailer.
I'm with you on that one, way too many people complained that T3 was just a rework of the past 2 movies, so they make a complete different style and people complained there was no time travel. This isnt the best movie ever made but it is so very far from the worst. I enjoyed salvation because I went into it not expecting T2.
Terminator is very much like the Alien franchise: two classic films, a stream of shitty sequels, and the only one that stands in some way is the one that tries something different (Terminator Salvation/Alien vs Predator)
@@jean-lucpicard5510 I believe it was at the skynet base. They used the old railyard and had the big bulldozer looking machine push us towards a corral pen, then it was the in processing lines that are seen briefly at the base. Three days of shooting for about a minute of screen time.
Honestly, the best portrayal of John Connor was in the Terminator: Resistance game; which also had a way better story than any of the movies that came after T2.
saw the gameplay on yt for it, the feel of the deserted parts of the maps really stuck out, they captured how lonely the world really was now that a marching 'terminator line' of machines was literally combing across US. when the huge HK tanks show up in the city in the distance, i was just omg "that. run.". the romance arc was very cleverly done too.
@@joepittssavedmusic you should have read my other post. I gave a movie script for Terminator 7: March of the John Connors: Terminator 7: March of the John Connors. This time, the movie has a piss yellow theme over the entire movie. Plot: John Connor travels back and forth in time, accumulating as many John Connors as he can, of all different ages, from 2 years old up to 90 years old. The massive team of thousands of John Connors, march through cities saying "JOHN CONNOR" over and over in an attempt to stop SkyNet. Although the only robot is shown the last 15 minutes of the movie and only a screen time of a combined total of 35 seconds, when you see the robot, it's somewhat rewarding, even though it looks more like Johnny 5 from Short Circuit was made by a bunch of 5 year old kids. The movie ends when the single robot accidentally shoots itself in the leg and falls off a bridge into the water, followed by zooming out to show all the John Connors and a voice over saying "SkyNet has failed again. I... am John Connor" followed by the theme song.
Did anyone else feel like this movie was supposed to be an ad for becoming an organ donor? I halfway expected a post credit scene where the actors point out that becoming an organ donor saves lives, so do your part and become an organ donor with your strong heart. So in that way we can all save JOHN CONNOR.
NC: "What DJ is still playing music in the apocalypse?" RADIO: "Hey everybody, this is Three Dog, your friendly neighborhood disc jockey. What's a disc? Hell if I know, but I'm gonna keep talking anyway."
18:58 The reason the effect for the T800 is that good is that the mold of Arnold's head that was used to make the animatronic Arnold head in the first Terminator film was still intact and kept in a storage room somewhere; the makers of this film found it and the effects team used that to digitally recreate Arnold's head.
A machine impersonating John Connor? Well that would be an amazing twist! Unless someone did something incredibly stupid and spoiled that twist in a trailer !
To be fair it wouldn't have gone over well, it would have been more salt in the wound for fans to have a bad movie then have John killed off. Plus we didn't know the shitshow that would follow in Genysis, we had hope that maybe the next movie might answer some questions. I think we're just more accepting of an ending like that now because the movies that followed were so safe and stupid and boring, so much so that a risky move in hindsight is welcomed.
They have the arcade game at my local theater. At least... they did the last time I was there. Back when people could actually still go to movie theaters.
One of the biggest problems I have this movie is how "the future" looks NOTHING like what we saw in T1 nor T2. Where is the ground littered with human skulls? Where are the machines you saw in those clips? Where is the line of Terminators, slowly walking towards the resistance, shooting everything moving? To me, this movie is just pretending to be a terminator movie, when in reality, it could fit in any number of franchises. Also, yeah - John Connor does nothing of signifigance in this movie. He's just talking and staring half the time. I always expected him to be a strategtic mastermind, and a brilliant soldier. Leading squads of resistance soldiers, first in line, doing guerilla warfare again Skynet. Being not only a symbol, but also motivation, hope and inspiration for the remaining humans alive. Here? Not so much...
In regards to how the future looks, I think the idea is that this movie takes place a lot earlier in the war than the flashbacks from T1 and T2; in the flashbacks, John Connor is older and in charge whereas here he isn't yet in charge. That second point about John Connor is definitely a good point. Apparently, the reason for that is that John Connor was originally only supposed to have a very small role in the film, but his role was greatly expanded after Christian Bale was recast from portraying Marcus to portraying John Connor.
@Matthew Muir Not to mention Judgment Day happened in 2004 instead of 1997 so everything happens much later, this is still early in the 'future war' and why Terminators can still be killed with guns and plasma weapons haven't been invented yet.
Honestly I would prefer to see a new Terminator movie about the war with the machines rather than another robot assassin from the future that has been done to death at this point.
What's his name? John Connor No, but what's his name? John Connor Wait, his name is what? John Connor And what does Pot of Greed do? "It lets me draw 2 cards."
nobody's genitals were changed arbitrarily so I agree. by far the most frustrating thing about dark fate was the fact they felt they needed a strong female lead WHEN MOVIES LIKE TERMINATOR 2 PRACTICALLY INVENTED THE BADASS FEMALE ACTION HERO and sarah connor...the OG of bad bitches, is in the movie...but she has to take back seat to a justin bieber on puberty blockers look alike? terminator 2 sarah connor was probably hands down my favorite character in that series...her ripley and vasquez basically wrote the book on believable female action heroes. I'm tired of the woke bunch pretending like these ridiculously awesome characters don't exist. Sarah connor's assault on the home of that cyberdine research scientist set the standard for not to be fucked with...when she switches on full auto and comes out of cover 100% believable could seriously understand why she was such a problem for the machines that they would expend every resource trying to take her out any way they could...and they still didn't get it done. best of all she doesn't start out as some merc, she starts out as a regular woman who gets thrown into extraordinary circumstances and thrives like it was her first taste of water in the desert...She is single minded, determined and scary as hell.
Terminator Salvation aimed to finally show fans what the Future War was like, but it took a beating getting to theatres: The film was stalled out for several years as Vajna and Kassar (the franchise rights holder) originally planned to create a sequel to Rise of the Machines (with Nick Stahl and Claire Danes reprising their roles as John Connor and Catherine Brewster) before shopping the franchise to prospective buyers, eventually culminating in the rights being sold to The Halcyon Company in 2007. Warner Bros. agreed to distribute stateside while Sony Pictures handled international distribution. The writing process was muddled and confused, with various parties contributing additions in the weeks leading up to filming (and even on-set). Though the original script treatment was written by T3 writers Michael Ferris and John Brancato, later revisions were made by Anthony Zuiker and Shawn Ryan. Screenwriter Jonathan Nolan (the brother of Christopher Nolan) reportedly contributed heavy rewrites to the script and was characterized more than once as the "lead writer", up to an including dialogue written on-set, but had to leave the project for another commitment after the 2007-08 Writers' Guild of America strike. Things were so confusing that novelization author Alan Dean Foster had to rewrite his entire book after learning that the final shooting script was completely different from the script he was given in early production. Christian Bale, who would later refer to the production of the film as "troubled" was the first actor hired for the film - but it took multiple attempts for him to agree. He later admitted in an interview that he took the role of John Connor to get back at a number of people who insisted he wasn't the right fit for the part, and told McG he would only do so if the John Connor role was beefed up, bringing in Nolan to help write as a result. An early script summary, which would have seen the half-human/half-Terminator Marcus Wright switch faces with a mortally-wounded Connor to keep his legend alive, before massacring the leadership of the Resistance (including Kyle, Star, Marcus and Kate), was leaked online to vehemently-negative feedback, prompting additional script changes. Filming was no walk in the park, either. Shooting was delayed by four months after cast member Helena Bonham Carter lost members of her family in a car crash, and had to go back to England to tend to her relatives, thus necessitating major changes to her role (as Serena and the human avatar shown by Skynet). Stan Winston (who was also contributing Terminator designs) was originally intended to have a cameo, but his worsening health prevented this, and he died during production - the film would be dedicated to his memory. Bale's clashes with the crew led to other storylines, like those of General Ashdown (Michael Ironside) and Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington) being trimmed down. Most infamously, Bale lost his temper after the film's director of photography, Shane Hurlbut, walked into his field of view during shooting of a scene with Bryce Dallas Howard, causing Bale to dress him down and swear repeatedly in front of the crew. Unfortunately, someone on the crew recorded and posted audio of the rant online, to scathing critical reaction, and forcing Bale to pen a lengthy apology for his remarks. The resulting film debuted to mediocre reviews and middling box office, coming in second in its opening weekend and grossing $371 million against a $200 million budget (not counting advertising). Despite Brancato and Ferris alleging that elements of the production team deliberately made the film a Springtime for Hitler-esque Failure Gambit to bankrupt the production company so they could swoop in and scoop up the company's assets for cheap, McG largely enjoyed the experience making the film, and wanted to make a T5, though he would eventually go on to blame the Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles TV series for impacting the film's financial performance. What happened next, however, made Salvation's production look like small beans...
@@dillonohlemiller9027 because he's that kind of actor. He did the same with American Psycho, apparently some of the crew thought he was american because he never dropped the accent
I just figured that John Connor United what was left of humanity through diplomacy and fought the machines successfully through brilliant military tactics
“Let’s talk about the one you forget exists” I'd argue its one of the most memorable ones. Not good at all, but being the most original one in its setting, much less likely to forget it than any of the others
That Starfox reference @10:04 hit me right in the nostalgia hard. I actually caught myself checking the corner of the screen, to see how many nova bombs I had left.
Na, I agree with you. Salvation was probably among the best of the sequels because it at least tried to do something new. Wish they could have fleshed that out more.
The original plot where Marcus live instead of John Connor is COOL "AF", but it may need one or more movie to build more relationship between Marcus and audience to pass the baton
Marcus did live. Because he’s also a Terminator, so he can live without a heart. But no sequels, so it didn’t really matter in the end that both Conner and Marcus were alive. Instead we got the two train wrecks that were Genysis and Dark Fate.
See and I think that would've been awful too as it would've totally killed the point of the first two movies. I mean Genisys did that for me anyway by making John the big bad. Why set up John as the savior of mankind, just to kill him or turn him into a terminator? It was piss poor writing all around. It's like someone went "Hey we need to throw a twist in here for no reason. What should it be?" and then some asshole says "Well, John Connor has been set up to be the hero right? So why don't we make him the villain instead?" and then the first guy was like "YES!!!! That's it. We'll just shit all over the character. That's a great idea."
@@decimation9780 Marcus is a proper hybrid rather than a robot with a flesh disguise, so he still needed his heart. That said, apparently, a comic book that continued the story revealed that his heart slowly regenerated and, when it was complete, he revived.
@@matthewmuir8884 Slowly regenerating a heart from what is essentially the ground up would take days if not weeks, even with Skynet's technological advancements. Marcus suddenly got up from being dead a few hours after Connor and the rest of the resistance members at that location left. Okay, heart regenerated, but Marcus was up and walking well before that happened if we take what we saw at the end of the movie.
This was basically a prequel to the terminator 1. The fact this movie never included time travel was a great change. This movie could've had potential for a spinoff series solely set in the future. And the fact part of the plot asked if John was the savior or not was actually perfectly added. And fun facts; the actor who played the T-800 is Roland Kickenger. He is actually from Austria himself and was in a documentary film in 2005 cast in the role of Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Also because of the late-but-still-great Anton Yelchin perfectly channeling Michael Biehn (who, for us Xennials, is what Burt Reynolds is for Sterling Archer).
Exactly. I couldn't remember a damn thing about this movie before watching this video and yet somehow people still think this is better than Genisys. Genisys wasn't great, but it was miles better than this garbage. I think Salvation is actually the worst Terminator movie with Rise of the Machines in a close second for that category. I can't comment on Dark Fate, but for the ones I've seen, this is definitely at the bottom of the pile.
This was a movie that would have done better as a trilogy showing the evolution of the war, how everyone came together under the leadership of Connor, with the final beats of the third movie being the downfall of Skynet and the discovery of the time travel device and sending Kyle back to save Sarah completing the time loop.
I remember my dad took me to go see this movie as a kid cause I loved Terminator. I got a milkshake. Had a lot of fun. This movie will always have a place in my heart just because of that memory.
The most memorable thing about this movie is Christian Bale's temper tantrum as he went off on a crew member for several minutes; swearing at him and shouting the whole time
@@sarmeister1699 if I recall correctly, it was either that the DP (director of photography) either walked around the set during filming or messed about with the lighting during filming. Or some such. The DP did something and Bale found it objectionable. 😂
Every work place has had an outburst like this.. I don't get why actors get shit for it.. It's like Tom Cruise last year, everyone gives him shit for yelling at the crew when he paid for the filming and is paying the crews salaries.. I would have lost my shit to if they put that shoot in jepordy by not following the rules
On one hand, I kind of admire Salvation for at least *trying* to do something different. A Terminator movie focused on the future war *should* be really cool. On the other, the execution...leaves something to be desired, but they tried, anyway.
The only other film series to have more inconsistencies was Highlander, every movie changed the rules, changed romantic leads, and you would have to just go into the movie with understanding the concept but ignoring most of what you saw in previous films or tv series
That might be why I thought he looked goofy in the Batman movies. He was my least favorite part of all three movies. Honorable mention goes to Joker calling Maggies Gyllenhaal beautiful. That's a total lie.
yes he was born in england but he american.that is his voice not him trying to sound american.when he was yelling at those people did he sound british?
@@randolphdefreese7874 what are you on about. He clearly has an English accent in every interview he's in. Also, American? He himself says he's English (though was actually born in Wales).
The problem I had with the ending when I saw it was how they had no issues with doing a full heart transplant in a field hospital during an apocalypse. That's no small feat. The risk of losing both should have just made them forget about the whole thing
Uh no? Only Skynet knows how to create robots and improved technology, the resistance doesn’t have the intelligence or resources to do anything remotely close to that.
@@rossthebesiegebuilder3563 that doesn't mean they have the resources to do so, they would know how to make a rocketing, doesn't mean they have what that requires to build it, particularly with the fact they would also have to have one nearby, it's like saying that a sniper shouldn't be able to kill a poltican because the poltican could have worn a 400lb suit of armor
@@rossthebesiegebuilder3563 yeah but remember, a literal apocalypse happened. They live in sewers have to catch and eat rats to stay alive. It’s astronomically unlikely that they’d have an artificial heart just lying around and I’d they did, someone would have most likely already used it or stolen it and they definitely do not have the resources to just make another one.
And it gets hate. People bitch about wanting something new then hate it, it was a bit rough at times but no where close to the hate that it actually received.
I really do like the idea, always wanted to delve into the apocalyptic future but the execution was well objectively mediocre at best and given the series' pedigree it needed to be at least just good. Took too much inspiration from Transformers me thinks.
Very much the most original but really surprising how dull it was and little John Conner had in the film. Should have done something to look like the hero of humanity
My roommate and I have had a running joke for a solid decade now about Bale's John Conner. It was so clear he was mid-Batman during the filming of Salvation, we keep imagining him slipping between Bruce and John (because in this Terminator film, they're basically interchangeable) What's your name? "John Connor" What was that? "Bat Connor" Who are you?? "John Wayne" One more time "Hnnnrrhghhh, J-JOHN MAN BACK FAT" and just crumbles into tears.
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It’s not the worst, but it’s up there
I imagine it gets worse for the Critic than this.
Can you do a review of Peter Pan (2003) or The Shadow (1994)?
Genesis is still worse
"Dark Fate" is
I just realized that Christian Bale yelled at that guy in his American accent. So even as angry as he was, he still stayed in character.
In his apology he made, he said he was switching back and forth between his character's voice and his own because he was still trying to be in the scene.
He's a professional
He sounded british to me.
I noticed the same thing lol
I forget that Christian Bale is English sometimes, I've heard him speak with an American accent so many times I have to remind myself that it isn't his normal voice. 😂
Several critics who even if they did not otherwise care for the film, *commended Anton Yelchin's performance as young Kyle Reese for matching Michael Biehn's original portrayal without feeling like an overt imitation.*
Damn shame he passed away, very talented actor
So sad the way Anton Yelchin passed away too. Such a brilliant young actor taken in such a tragic way.
He was really channeling Michael Biehn here. Best performance in a mostly crappy movie.
@@nedflandershome
He was great as the voice of Clumsy Smurf.
well michael biehn delivered every line like he was just shot in the leg an hour ago.
"We're just supposed to love him because he exists?"
Pretty much sums up most of Hollywood's characters these days.
Actually that pretty much sums up Hollywood altogether these days, regardless if the individual is fictional or not.
@@TrueMohax Yeah Joker would've bee a good movie on it's own about a mentally unstable guy going nuts. But it wouldn't have been a box office hit or even known if it didn't ride on Joker so everyone knows who they're talking about.
Sad they can't do anything original anymore from scratch like Forest Gump or One Flew Over the Coo Coo's Nest
@@magnusm4 Those were both books first, and they cut a LOT from Gump to make a movie out of it.
@@magnusm4 Hollywood has never been original. At least 99% of movies are based on a novel, comic, game, or tv series.
And you could add "We're just supposed to be sad for this character because he is dead"
Anton Yelchin’s portrayal of Kyle Reese was the best (and probably most memorable) part of the film.
I agree. He was such a good actor. He was awesome in the Star Trek movies too
I had no idea that Yelchin was that good in the film. I just saw more Anton. But man, now it's been pointed out, I totally see it.
We lost him way too soon.
Agreed. And honestly, with all its flaws included, this is still easily my 3rd favorite Terminator movie. I liked Worthington, too. Sometimes I felt like Doug went a little out of his way to diss his lines and acting in the movie.
@@AceOfClubsHUN Sam Worthington is an underrated actor. I wish they used him and the original actor for Woods in Black Ops: Cold War.
Drinking game: Take a shot every time someone says “John Connor”
*wakes up the following morning on the living room floor*
Jaegermeister would help lol
That's on par with the steven king drinking game
Do you want alcohol poisoning because that's how you get it
Finally a new challenger to take down the Stephen King Drinking Game
To give you an idea of how much the ownership of this series has been passed around over the years:
- The first Terminator film is owned by MGM through Orion Pictures
- Terminator 2 is owned by StudioCanal while the US home video rights are currently held by Lionsgate via their acquisition of Artisan Entertainment
- Terminator 3 and Salvation are owned by Warner Bros and were distributed by Columbia Pictures internationally
- Genisys and Salvation are owned by Paramount
Wait, Salvation is owned by both WB and Paramount?
It's like they were playing pass the fire ball
That actually makes a lot of sense and explains why (in the UK) only salvation and genesis are on netflix
@@themysteriouscatperson9483 And why T3 and Salvation are the only ones on HBO Max.
@@MissBarker93
Damn it seems like everyone has salvation, Amazon prime has it, so has Netflix, and hbomax
What irritates me the most is that how does Skynet know of John Connor's father and why would John Connor include Kyle Reese in his rant to Marcus bot? And Marcus bot actually think a pubescent boy fathered a 30 year old man without the knowledge of time travel?
John including Kyle makes sense. Earlier they established that Kyle Reese was higher on Skynet's kill-list than even Connor himself. With that info, it makes sense that John would assume the machines including Marcus who appeared to be a Terminator, knew that Kyle is his father. That being said, the other 2 don't have any explanation.
@hunterkiller1440 WHY ARE YOU EVERWHERE
Skynet knew because something-something time travel. One of the more subtle things that flew under people's radar was that the timeline had been messed with. One of John Connor's things was that he was concerned about how soon the T-800's were being developed because it was earlier than it should've been. Same with Marcus-bot's existence not being known to John, even though it seems like that's the sort of thing Kyle should've passed on to Sarah given that he was in the middle of the Marcus-bot event.
@@AdmiralBlackstar you know in hindsight that almost makes sense. Genesis, for all its flaws, established the concept that Skynet has been jumping to parallel timelines. It is possible that a version of Skynet wound up in this timeline and gave a dumber version of itself a helping hand.
Well, Skynet likely had access to the files on Kyle from the past, like the police tapes. Given Skynet could access all the world's information. Likely they don't know he is John's father, but know he is important to John.
Anybody remember constantly seeing the arcade game for this film literally everywhere , cause I sure do ?
Of course it was everywhere, it was a DAMN good arcade game after all, it probably raked in tons of cash
I grew up with that game. Movie sucks tho.
Yep, I see it everywhere, I'm pretty sure Peter Piper Pizza still has it.
While does suck, the game is pretty fun and i remember seein one at a chunky cheese
I loved that game. And TBH I really enjoyed this film. Saw it 4 times on the big screen.
“Let’s talk about the one you forget exists” That one would honestly still be Genisys. I’d say Salvation is the one that had potential
How could we forget Genisys, the fanfiction-y one?
I was looking forward to a good time of 80s post apocalyptic combat with killer machines with plasma rifles. Instead it's just a generic, uninspired post modern post apocalyptic movie. I was wanting that Cameron future war style of a movie, not just dudes with ARs.
genisys was so bad the movie set was just depressing and unenjoyable to be on. Interestingly, Emilia Clarke also reveals that as reports of the Terminator tumult started making the news cycle, the crew of another (nearby-shooting,) contemporaneous controversy-plagued production in Fox’s Josh Trank-directed Fantastic Four reboot poked some fun at the expense of Genisys, stating that they had jackets made that read, “At least we’re not on Terminator.” -
Oh, Genisys is memorable yet not for good reasons.
I might have an unpopular opinion, though. I wouldn't want to compare this film with the likes of Mad Max: Fury Road, but from my point of view, seeing how this film could've been amazing, they DO have a few in common as well as having a few differences. They both came out several years after the original in the series and both had troubled productions and both have a British star as the lead. One was critically acclaimed and was a box office hit while the other was critically panned and was a box office bomb. The leads have a little in common as well, one bearly does anyone while the other bearly says anything and they even often have minimal screentime. I havn't seen either films but thats as much as I can add.
Christian Bale's voice was so gravelly in this movie I kept expecting him to say, "I'm Batman!"
Right?
@@robertswartzer3257 You men great Throatcancerman.
Cause he was to busy yelling at Shane
Every time he talks in Batman
I just can't hold my laughter
@@YuniorGamboa They resolved it perfectly in DCEU with voice modulation. its not Conroys voice but if we are talking about movies simply changing Batman voice would sound bad.
RIP Anton Yelchin, the man who brought the Trollhunter to life. Seriously, watch the _Tales of Arcadia_ franchise. It's the magnum opus masterpiece of both Dreamworks AND Guillermo del Toro. #TalesOfArcadia
Nostalgia Critic should review the Tales of Arcadia franchise.
RIP
(I LOVE Trollhunters. That show’s awesome)
Is anyone else sick to death of time travel, and just wants a straight up post-apocalyptic War film?
I want to see John Connor and Kyle Reese meeting, fighting in the War together with Connor mentoring Reese in a reserve son-father relationship. And the film culminating in a final victory against SkyNet, and sending Kyle Reese back in time to preserve the timeline?
Make great sense. Write the fan-film.
Now that would be good and is basically what I've been wanting from the series. But instead we get bad sequel after bad sequel.
We need to also end the saga with humanity's final victory over the machines.
Become a director and make that film happen, take all of my money.
That is the movie I wanted to see. No point in that other Marcus storyline. What I wanted was Connor figuring out what to do, getting the resistance together, figuring out how to defeat Skynet, and finally doing it. Connor is pretty much a useless side character in this movie when he should finally have been the undeniable main character so we could finally see why he and his existence was so important in the first movies.
I'm sure I speak for us all when I say, we dearly, dearly miss Anton Yelchin.
Well, that was a depressing read in how the poor guy died...
Rest In Peace
I don't think you do
The 'concept' of Terminator Salvation is solid - some of us do wanna see the final battle against skynet
I would've loved if they did a whole trilogy in the future instead of doing that "alternate timelines" bullshit starting from Genysis.
There is a comic book that adapts that
@@DoratTheKiller that type of future is probably too boring or cliche for them to do that type of series these days. Post apocalyptic movies was more of a pre-90s thing when everyone was afraid of nuclear war with the Russians. Disease, poverty, and massive civil unrest seem more like a reality to us in the 2000s. IMO the most notable PA movies I can think of in the last decade were book of ELI and the Road.
Damn, I didn't remember how perfectly Anton Yelchin nailed Kyle Reese! He got Biehn's performance down so well that it's almost scary. Such a shame what happened to him. RIP.
Just for the record: I actually like Terminator Salvation. It's one of the most unique of the movies and I wish more Terminator movies take place in the future
There are dozens of us, dozens!
Facts!
Thank you! If you ask me, Terminator Salvation is not only “not bad” but is actually *good.* the soundtrack was great, the robot designs were great, the set designs and effects were great (except de-aged Arnold) and was the first movie to actually try to do something different. It was definitely flawed and obviously not as good as the first two but it’s far from being the complete forgettable trash that a lot of people make it out to be. It’s also the only one that can actually fit into the Terminator timeline as a prequel to 1 and 2 without addressing any of the others.
Me too. I think it would be remembered more fondly if it weren't for the Bale recording and that horrible CGI Arnold.
I'm one of you! I've been saying for years it's better than 3, Genisys, and Dark Fate!
The most underrated terminator film. I thoroughly enjoy it. Id love to see more films set in the post judgment day setting.
That's actually a good idea for a rewrite. Make Marcus wake up with John around in the beginning of the movie, they fight the machines together, find Kyle Reese, try to return to base, John says something to the effect of "we have mines but don't worry, they're magnetic to target the machines only, just keep your guns elevated and you'll be fine" and he blows up
Yeah, hell they could even still have that scene with him in prison selling his organs, but put it after he gets blown up, and is hanging. Hell it would even make the final scene that much more emotional if John even tells him, "You're our only hope now.....keep humanity alive." And then John dies there......FUCK,
Count dooku voice: “I’ve been looking forward to this.”
The best part about this movie is the arcade shoot out game.
Yes and that is very true that is the ONLY thing good about this we got an arcade shoot out game which was 100 times better than the piece of crap we got which don’t get me wrong the terminators looked fucking great and I say the LOOK of them everything else was just a cluster fuck of wtf moments
@@swagmaster5103 the arcade shoot out definitely though is one of the best arcade games ever. Proving some movies make better video games than Hollywood blockbusters...
Sooo true
Hell yeah I remember that arcade machine was the only good thing about the Chuck. E. Cheeses that was near where I live. A damn good game.
I thank that machine is still at the Starcade in the multiplex in the next town over from me.
Everytime I see Anton Yelchin as Jim Lake Jr. I get teary eyed that he wasn't around to see how people reacted to his preformance. But what makes me feel better is that he voiced him in Trollhunters for 41 of the 52 episodes.
I'm pretty sure _Tales of Arcadia_ sometimes still use his voice during the franchise's fight scenes...
Rest in peace Anton Yelchin 😥
Terminator Salvation: *exists*
Movie Goers: “We’re done.”
Terminator Genesys: *exists*
Hollywood: “It has BEGUN!”
Movie Goers: “NOOOOOOO!!!”
Terminator Dark Fate: U R TERMINATED.
@@chasehedges6775
23:17
Chase Hedges67
Audience member: “Please, STOP!”
@Rose Jenna Prieto Arias it is actually a comic Also transformer vs terminator
Terminator Dark Fate: *It exists*
Movie goers: "Dead on arrival. I'm done."
Focus Group Ending: The film originally ended with John Connor dying, and his corpse was skinned and placed over Marcus so that Marcus would impersonate him from then on. Test audiences hated it. The "heart transplant" ending saving his life was a quickly filmed re-shoot to change the ending into one that audiences would accept.
Maybe people would remember the movie more if they'd stuck with that ending.
@@MUSICLOVER23429 But it would still work.
Because the machines being fooled by that made sense. They know that John Connor is important, so of course they'd save him over the machine. And the humans would have to keep up the idea that he's important to them (and still needs to keep continuity with Marcus having his skin) so they send the hacked Terminators back to save him
@@MUSICLOVER23429 Thank you! I agree 100%. That was actually my biggest gripe with Genisys too. Not my only gripe mind you, but my biggest one.
- Have you ever seen Sam Fisher and Batman trying to out-man eachother in cliche dialogues?
- .....no
- Would you like to?
I’m playing through the splinter cell games right now, the fricken interrogations in Chaos theory still crack me up.
Without time traveling aspect, it doesn't really feel like Terminator. I wished they elaborated Marcus is actually from the future but has a consciousness from a man in the past. The entire film could've been more focused on Kyle Reese's story, a coming of age teenager surviving the post-apocalyptic world. How he was enslaved by Skynet and was rescued by John Connor.
Plus Connor knows that machines can be re programmed. That future Marcus you describe could have been the one to help him hack the T 800 that he sends into the past in T2
I have a lot of issues with this movie but I say just one of them the title this is no terminator we know from the film so why call it terminator they should have called it terminated future that name is cooler
i don't think there is anything wrong with not having time travel be in the film i think the real issue is it never looked anything like the future we saw in T1 and T2.
The human soldiers feel to "tacticool" looking more like modern SF rather than how the Soldiers looked in the films. plus they are armed with AR-15 type rifles which would not be good for taking out armored Terminators.
@@MrChickennugget360 That is so true. There are rarely any night scenes. Even when it is at night, it was not gothic and iconic. It felt like a student film in a desert. Too much yellow and green hues, lacking a lot of blue, purple and black hues.
or maybe he was raised by Marcus and ends up joining John toward the end to avenge him in some way? idk just thought of the idea after reading your comment, either way a good jumping off point to pitch other ideas.
I hate how they ruined the Marcos is a terminator thing in the trailer. That would’ve been a fantastic twist and couldve brought such depth to many of the characters.
Would have made for a better twist, but I can’t see how it would bring more depth to the characters. How much depth a character has would stay exactly the same regardless of you knew the twist or not.
@@windowsVD Doug says it pretty well in the review: Marcus could’ve come in, integrated himself with the resistance even become friends with John....and THEN is revealed as a terminator. They look up his past and find out he was a real human and maybe some of his nonexistent backstory. Like maybe he had been protecting someone and that’s why he was sentenced.
It would’ve forced the group to confront their own prejudices about the machines, fact their morality, and cause some real conflict.
Apparently it's a bit of a thing, because they did the same thing with Genesys and I think even Judgement Day with spoiling a big reveal through the trailer.
It would have been a twist but not a good one.
@@jessedellross3245 that would make a great film.
I love how Bale’s freak out is literally the most well known bit about the film... INCLUDING THE FILM ITSELF! 🤣
He apologied later on
@@Dim4323 I know but it’s still funny
@@fireironthesecond2909
Bale: oh GOOOD FOR YOU
The only terminator that actually took a risk at being different. So I don't hate it.
I'm with you on that one, way too many people complained that T3 was just a rework of the past 2 movies, so they make a complete different style and people complained there was no time travel. This isnt the best movie ever made but it is so very far from the worst. I enjoyed salvation because I went into it not expecting T2.
still aloth better than the 5th movie and dark fate
3rd favorite for sure
Terminator is very much like the Alien franchise: two classic films, a stream of shitty sequels, and the only one that stands in some way is the one that tries something different (Terminator Salvation/Alien vs Predator)
@@artbargra You spelled Alien 3 wrong
Random fun fact, I was an extra in this for the prisoner scenes when they were filming in ABQ NM. It was an interesting three days.
@Human Just only on the first night. They had a rain machine going the entire time and the temperature dropped to the 40s.
Thank you for trying not to make this movie bomb. Wish you were hired to direct.
@@jean-lucpicard5510 I believe it was at the skynet base. They used the old railyard and had the big bulldozer looking machine push us towards a corral pen, then it was the in processing lines that are seen briefly at the base. Three days of shooting for about a minute of screen time.
Your the one who shit all over the film arnt you...
@@Sturm01 No that was Jim, the weird guy who always sat in the corner of the break tent muttering to himself.
Anton Yelchin was an amazing young actor. So good in everything he did. What a lost and is missed
Honestly, the best portrayal of John Connor was in the Terminator: Resistance game; which also had a way better story than any of the movies that came after T2.
Yes that game is fantastic. A very unexpected low budget title that is way better than what people expected it to be.
saw the gameplay on yt for it, the feel of the deserted parts of the maps really stuck out, they captured how lonely the world really was now that a marching 'terminator line' of machines was literally combing across US. when the huge HK tanks show up in the city in the distance, i was just omg "that. run.". the romance arc was very cleverly done too.
They have to keep have him say "John Connor" so that you remember your watching a Terminator movie.
You just made a PERFECT quote for the pitch meeting video!
There's probably even more truth to this than you intended.
@@joepittssavedmusic you should have read my other post. I gave a movie script for Terminator 7: March of the John Connors:
Terminator 7: March of the John Connors.
This time, the movie has a piss yellow theme over the entire movie.
Plot: John Connor travels back and forth in time, accumulating as many John Connors as he can, of all different ages, from 2 years old up to 90 years old.
The massive team of thousands of John Connors, march through cities saying "JOHN CONNOR" over and over in an attempt to stop SkyNet.
Although the only robot is shown the last 15 minutes of the movie and only a screen time of a combined total of 35 seconds, when you see the robot, it's somewhat rewarding, even though it looks more like Johnny 5 from Short Circuit was made by a bunch of 5 year old kids.
The movie ends when the single robot accidentally shoots itself in the leg and falls off a bridge into the water, followed by zooming out to show all the John Connors and a voice over saying "SkyNet has failed again. I... am John Connor" followed by the theme song.
connor was really fleshed out in terminator sarah connor chronicles which was very underrated and never gets a mention
Did anyone else feel like this movie was supposed to be an ad for becoming an organ donor?
I halfway expected a post credit scene where the actors point out that becoming an organ donor saves lives, so do your part and become an organ donor with your strong heart. So in that way we can all save JOHN CONNOR.
Oww, the hypothetical cringe!
NC: "What DJ is still playing music in the apocalypse?"
RADIO: "Hey everybody, this is Three Dog, your friendly neighborhood disc jockey. What's a disc? Hell if I know, but I'm gonna keep talking anyway."
goddamn it, i read that in his voice
sorry bud but Three Dog is a hack- we all know that the real post apocalyptic DJ is Mr. New Vegas- because he loves you
@@MrChickennugget360 goddamn it, now i read THAT is HIS voice
I was expecting someone to Comment "TJ and the Wombat" from DBZ Abridged.
@@MrChickennugget360 Mr NewVegas is a corporate shill who don't care about fighting the good fight. 3 dog is My man
18:58 The reason the effect for the T800 is that good is that the mold of Arnold's head that was used to make the animatronic Arnold head in the first Terminator film was still intact and kept in a storage room somewhere; the makers of this film found it and the effects team used that to digitally recreate Arnold's head.
A machine impersonating John Connor? Well that would be an amazing twist! Unless someone did something incredibly stupid and spoiled that twist in a trailer !
To be fair it wouldn't have gone over well, it would have been more salt in the wound for fans to have a bad movie then have John killed off. Plus we didn't know the shitshow that would follow in Genysis, we had hope that maybe the next movie might answer some questions. I think we're just more accepting of an ending like that now because the movies that followed were so safe and stupid and boring, so much so that a risky move in hindsight is welcomed.
To be honest, most people probably remember the arcade game better than the movie.
They have the arcade game at my local theater. At least... they did the last time I was there. Back when people could actually still go to movie theaters.
Same here. It's better than the movie and it's at my local movie theater and is also in a recreation room at a college I went to.
That's actually one of the HIGHEST earning arcade games of all time! Sitting there among the likes of the original Daytona USA and others!
that arcade game is good.
Mood. The arcade game is super fun
One of the biggest problems I have this movie is how "the future" looks NOTHING like what we saw in T1 nor T2. Where is the ground littered with human skulls? Where are the machines you saw in those clips? Where is the line of Terminators, slowly walking towards the resistance, shooting everything moving? To me, this movie is just pretending to be a terminator movie, when in reality, it could fit in any number of franchises.
Also, yeah - John Connor does nothing of signifigance in this movie. He's just talking and staring half the time. I always expected him to be a strategtic mastermind, and a brilliant soldier. Leading squads of resistance soldiers, first in line, doing guerilla warfare again Skynet. Being not only a symbol, but also motivation, hope and inspiration for the remaining humans alive. Here? Not so much...
It's better than all the other one's after 2.
In regards to how the future looks, I think the idea is that this movie takes place a lot earlier in the war than the flashbacks from T1 and T2; in the flashbacks, John Connor is older and in charge whereas here he isn't yet in charge.
That second point about John Connor is definitely a good point. Apparently, the reason for that is that John Connor was originally only supposed to have a very small role in the film, but his role was greatly expanded after Christian Bale was recast from portraying Marcus to portraying John Connor.
@Matthew Muir Not to mention Judgment Day happened in 2004 instead of 1997 so everything happens much later, this is still early in the 'future war' and why Terminators can still be killed with guns and plasma weapons haven't been invented yet.
Takes place in 2018, not 2029.
OK Not gonna lie, THAT StarFox Boss Reference shortly after The 10 Min. Mark was EXCELLENT!
Was searching for this comment.
Just stop it I'm tired of your insolence
i love it!
I thought it was in the actual movie!
That was perfect
Honestly I would prefer to see a new Terminator movie about the war with the machines rather than another robot assassin from the future that has been done to death at this point.
“Thank you, black Newt.” I almost died 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fuckin dropped my phone lol 😂😂
Black mute
@@Bartman1989-i2z No it’s a reference to Newt in Aliens, who’s a traumatized mute kid too
@@acidsons3116 Oh. 😂😂😂
Christian bale was batman
Michael ironside was Darksied
This is somehow the closet thing we'll ever get to batman talking to Darksied
Sam Fisher
What's his name?
John Connor
No, but what's his name?
John Connor
Wait, his name is what?
John Connor
And what does Pot of Greed do?
"It lets me draw 2 cards."
As an Austrian myself I gotta say I really like it when you try to imitate the "Austrian" accent. God save the Critic!
Nostalgia Critic:"I am the Nostalgia Critic, I remember it so you don't have to."
Me: *OOOHHHHH, GOOD FOR YOU!*
With the current situation of the terminator franchise this movie is a masterpiece
nobody's genitals were changed arbitrarily so I agree.
by far the most frustrating thing about dark fate was the fact they felt they needed a strong female lead WHEN MOVIES LIKE TERMINATOR 2 PRACTICALLY INVENTED THE BADASS FEMALE ACTION HERO and sarah connor...the OG of bad bitches, is in the movie...but she has to take back seat to a justin bieber on puberty blockers look alike?
terminator 2 sarah connor was probably hands down my favorite character in that series...her ripley and vasquez basically wrote the book on believable female action heroes. I'm tired of the woke bunch pretending like these ridiculously awesome characters don't exist. Sarah connor's assault on the home of that cyberdine research scientist set the standard for not to be fucked with...when she switches on full auto and comes out of cover 100% believable could seriously understand why she was such a problem for the machines that they would expend every resource trying to take her out any way they could...and they still didn't get it done.
best of all she doesn't start out as some merc, she starts out as a regular woman who gets thrown into extraordinary circumstances and thrives like it was her first taste of water in the desert...She is single minded, determined and scary as hell.
Terminator Salvation aimed to finally show fans what the Future War was like, but it took a beating getting to theatres:
The film was stalled out for several years as Vajna and Kassar (the franchise rights holder) originally planned to create a sequel to Rise of the Machines (with Nick Stahl and Claire Danes reprising their roles as John Connor and Catherine Brewster) before shopping the franchise to prospective buyers, eventually culminating in the rights being sold to The Halcyon Company in 2007. Warner Bros. agreed to distribute stateside while Sony Pictures handled international distribution.
The writing process was muddled and confused, with various parties contributing additions in the weeks leading up to filming (and even on-set). Though the original script treatment was written by T3 writers Michael Ferris and John Brancato, later revisions were made by Anthony Zuiker and Shawn Ryan. Screenwriter Jonathan Nolan (the brother of Christopher Nolan) reportedly contributed heavy rewrites to the script and was characterized more than once as the "lead writer", up to an including dialogue written on-set, but had to leave the project for another commitment after the 2007-08 Writers' Guild of America strike. Things were so confusing that novelization author Alan Dean Foster had to rewrite his entire book after learning that the final shooting script was completely different from the script he was given in early production.
Christian Bale, who would later refer to the production of the film as "troubled" was the first actor hired for the film - but it took multiple attempts for him to agree. He later admitted in an interview that he took the role of John Connor to get back at a number of people who insisted he wasn't the right fit for the part, and told McG he would only do so if the John Connor role was beefed up, bringing in Nolan to help write as a result.
An early script summary, which would have seen the half-human/half-Terminator Marcus Wright switch faces with a mortally-wounded Connor to keep his legend alive, before massacring the leadership of the Resistance (including Kyle, Star, Marcus and Kate), was leaked online to vehemently-negative feedback, prompting additional script changes.
Filming was no walk in the park, either. Shooting was delayed by four months after cast member Helena Bonham Carter lost members of her family in a car crash, and had to go back to England to tend to her relatives, thus necessitating major changes to her role (as Serena and the human avatar shown by Skynet). Stan Winston (who was also contributing Terminator designs) was originally intended to have a cameo, but his worsening health prevented this, and he died during production - the film would be dedicated to his memory. Bale's clashes with the crew led to other storylines, like those of General Ashdown (Michael Ironside) and Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington) being trimmed down. Most infamously, Bale lost his temper after the film's director of photography, Shane Hurlbut, walked into his field of view during shooting of a scene with Bryce Dallas Howard, causing Bale to dress him down and swear repeatedly in front of the crew. Unfortunately, someone on the crew recorded and posted audio of the rant online, to scathing critical reaction, and forcing Bale to pen a lengthy apology for his remarks.
The resulting film debuted to mediocre reviews and middling box office, coming in second in its opening weekend and grossing $371 million against a $200 million budget (not counting advertising). Despite Brancato and Ferris alleging that elements of the production team deliberately made the film a Springtime for Hitler-esque Failure Gambit to bankrupt the production company so they could swoop in and scoop up the company's assets for cheap, McG largely enjoyed the experience making the film, and wanted to make a T5, though he would eventually go on to blame the Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles TV series for impacting the film's financial performance. What happened next, however, made Salvation's production look like small beans...
The recording of Bale's Freakout was more entertaining than the movie itself.
So sad yet soook hilarious.
Why is he talking in an American accent in that recording when he’s not even American?
@@dillonohlemiller9027 because he's that kind of actor. He did the same with American Psycho, apparently some of the crew thought he was american because he never dropped the accent
Any remember the catchy remix of the Bale freakout?? 😂
@@jr2904 Method Actors do that..
I just figured that John Connor United what was left of humanity through diplomacy and fought the machines successfully through brilliant military tactics
“Let’s talk about the one you forget exists” I'd argue its one of the most memorable ones. Not good at all, but being the most original one in its setting, much less likely to forget it than any of the others
That Starfox reference @10:04 hit me right in the nostalgia hard. I actually caught myself checking the corner of the screen, to see how many nova bombs I had left.
Finally the first time I haven’t forgotten about Terminator Month
Salvation was underrated, don't change my mind I NEED THIS TO FORGET GENISYS JOHN CONNOR!
Na, I agree with you. Salvation was probably among the best of the sequels because it at least tried to do something new. Wish they could have fleshed that out more.
I agree man. I actually like the movie.
The John Conner bit is going to be the next “HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA!!” Mark my words.
Frankly I don't see it...😏
The original plot where Marcus live instead of John Connor is COOL "AF", but it may need one or more movie to build more relationship between Marcus and audience to pass the baton
i think they had planned at least two more movies but sadly that didn't happen.
Marcus did live. Because he’s also a Terminator, so he can live without a heart. But no sequels, so it didn’t really matter in the end that both Conner and Marcus were alive. Instead we got the two train wrecks that were Genysis and Dark Fate.
See and I think that would've been awful too as it would've totally killed the point of the first two movies. I mean Genisys did that for me anyway by making John the big bad. Why set up John as the savior of mankind, just to kill him or turn him into a terminator? It was piss poor writing all around. It's like someone went "Hey we need to throw a twist in here for no reason. What should it be?" and then some asshole says "Well, John Connor has been set up to be the hero right? So why don't we make him the villain instead?" and then the first guy was like "YES!!!! That's it. We'll just shit all over the character. That's a great idea."
@@decimation9780 Marcus is a proper hybrid rather than a robot with a flesh disguise, so he still needed his heart. That said, apparently, a comic book that continued the story revealed that his heart slowly regenerated and, when it was complete, he revived.
@@matthewmuir8884 Slowly regenerating a heart from what is essentially the ground up would take days if not weeks, even with Skynet's technological advancements. Marcus suddenly got up from being dead a few hours after Connor and the rest of the resistance members at that location left. Okay, heart regenerated, but Marcus was up and walking well before that happened if we take what we saw at the end of the movie.
The only reason I know this movie existed is because the arcade game is literally everywhere where arcades games are.
I love the arcade game actually 😂
Yeah that arcade game was pretty fun. Same for the aliens one.
Besides the Arcade game & Anton Yelchin, I actually remember the film solely for Bale's incident.
This was basically a prequel to the terminator 1. The fact this movie never included time travel was a great change. This movie could've had potential for a spinoff series solely set in the future. And the fact part of the plot asked if John was the savior or not was actually perfectly added.
And fun facts; the actor who played the T-800 is Roland Kickenger. He is actually from Austria himself and was in a documentary film in 2005 cast in the role of Arnold Schwarzenegger.
"I'm John Connor."
"OHHHHHHH GOOOOOOD FOR YOU"
I mean...if you try to base him off the John Connor from the visual hints from the first movie...the staring is absolutely accurate
"It needed more Arnold." and a better script XD
Why do I see you everywhere also what’s your pfp
@@aidan6471 looks like Edward Scissorhands
That "Incoming Enemy"-sample from Star Fox was so fcuking on point, I spat my coffee! Well done!
oh, i was wondering how and why there jeep could say that XD
🤣🤣🤣 I agree…great touch!
Let’s be honest it’s memorable because of Christian Bale’s meltdown.
Also because of the late-but-still-great Anton Yelchin perfectly channeling Michael Biehn (who, for us Xennials, is what Burt Reynolds is for Sterling Archer).
Well, you’re not wrong.
He freaked out after realizing what he has signed on.
And even that was a publicity stunt.
Exactly. I couldn't remember a damn thing about this movie before watching this video and yet somehow people still think this is better than Genisys. Genisys wasn't great, but it was miles better than this garbage. I think Salvation is actually the worst Terminator movie with Rise of the Machines in a close second for that category. I can't comment on Dark Fate, but for the ones I've seen, this is definitely at the bottom of the pile.
The prequel sequel nobody really talks about.
for good reason
A movie I never saw/totally forgot about.
Its not a prequel its a sequel to Terminator 3.
Or asked for
@@shadowleon659 But it's a prequel to the original Terminator.
"Even her picture is cut down to save time."
Bruce Wayne, Gwen Stacy, Chekov and the dude from Avatar battle bland color pallets.
Edit: Batman & Darkseid out-manning each other is awesome!
This was a movie that would have done better as a trilogy showing the evolution of the war, how everyone came together under the leadership of Connor, with the final beats of the third movie being the downfall of Skynet and the discovery of the time travel device and sending Kyle back to save Sarah completing the time loop.
I think that was the plan but no one seemed to like this movie so the creators said "Fucket they dont want it we wont do it." 🤷♂️
I remember my dad took me to go see this movie as a kid cause I loved Terminator. I got a milkshake. Had a lot of fun. This movie will always have a place in my heart just because of that memory.
This is actually one of my favorite movies ever, there is so much action!
sad.
“Let’s talk about the one you forget even exists”
True but I love this movie mostly because when it came out I was a huge Christian Bale fan
Was?
i could never forget about this movie because of that legendary christian bale rant that leaked on the internet.
So, should I blow up, or...?
💥💥💥
Oh, it was me. Got it.
I loved that joke! 😆
This movie: exists
Christian Bale: OOOOHHH GOOOOD FOR YOOOOUUUU
I liked Salvation for the fact it tried to do something different. Every other film has tried to recreate 2
The terminator designs are pretty decent as well
I will give you 3 and Genisys, but dark fate was enough of its own thing.
i just wanted to say that i really appreciate you guys putting so much work and effort into these episodes
The most memorable thing about this movie is Christian Bale's temper tantrum as he went off on a crew member for several minutes; swearing at him and shouting the whole time
OHHH GOOOOOD FOR YOOOOUUU!!!!
You and me are fucking done professionally. 🤣
What happened to cause that? *Curious*
@@sarmeister1699 if I recall correctly, it was either that the DP (director of photography) either walked around the set during filming or messed about with the lighting during filming. Or some such. The DP did something and Bale found it objectionable. 😂
Every work place has had an outburst like this.. I don't get why actors get shit for it.. It's like Tom Cruise last year, everyone gives him shit for yelling at the crew when he paid for the filming and is paying the crews salaries.. I would have lost my shit to if they put that shoot in jepordy by not following the rules
Christian Bale arguing with Darkseid after a scene of someone having a mental breakdown while all muddy has made my day.
@@jp3813, I’m not Michael.
@@lucasgibbs4050 So?
@@jp3813, What do you mean?
@@lucasgibbs4050 Ditto.
@@jp3813, hey, you’re the one who said Michael?
On one hand, I kind of admire Salvation for at least *trying* to do something different. A Terminator movie focused on the future war *should* be really cool.
On the other, the execution...leaves something to be desired, but they tried, anyway.
Brought to you by Christian Bale's Freakout on set.
Of course
I was thinking “shot on the same set as the Christian Bale Rant.” But yours is solid too
WHAT THE F ARE YOU DOING
@@Dim4323 no what f are you doing
Terminator: We Are f-ing done professionally!
Is John Connor perhaps the most inconsistently portrayed character in film history?
One of. If we're talking about entertainment in general, Sonic would be up there.
@@manuelalbertoromero9528 Well I was moreso refering to live action, but sure.
The only other film series to have more inconsistencies was Highlander, every movie changed the rules, changed romantic leads, and you would have to just go into the movie with understanding the concept but ignoring most of what you saw in previous films or tv series
@@petewillson205 Ain't it just lovely when creators care about continuity? ...or not
@@PikaLink91 SW Sequels: HOLD MY BEER.
This one is very underrated, it at least tried to do something new
Hollywood: “Your Wallets are MINE.”
Movie Goers: “NOOOOOOOO!!!”
18:34 What DJ is still playing music in the apocalypse?
DJ: This is John Conner.
DJohn Conner
J to the C on ZIMRock 98.5 FM from the California Wastelands!
I expected one of those John Connor voiceovers to turn into JOHN CENA at any second lmao
Broooo 👊🏻 xdd
They could cast John Cena as John Connor and there wouldn’t be a noticeable difference.
Something you'll never un-see: Christian Bale never moves his top lip whenever he does an American accent.
"Harsh times" will never look the same again, thanks
That might be why I thought he looked goofy in the Batman movies. He was my least favorite part of all three movies. Honorable mention goes to Joker calling Maggies Gyllenhaal beautiful. That's a total lie.
yes he was born in england but he american.that is his voice not him trying to sound american.when he was yelling at those people did he sound british?
@@randolphdefreese7874 what are you on about. He clearly has an English accent in every interview he's in.
Also, American? He himself says he's English (though was actually born in Wales).
He’s not american?...
This is the one that breaks my heart the most....it should have been Soooooooo much better than what we got. What a missed opportunity.
Was such a great direction for the franchise to go in too.
4:22 If Arnold Schwarzenegger was in it, he'd be credited as "Ahnold".
They did Terry Crews dirty in this movie. Cut his role to a split second cameo as a corpse.
Better than in Deadpool 2 lol
@@ninjanibba4259 Deadpool 2 is a masterpiece compared to this film.
@@chasehedges6775 they’re both pretty filled with half baked stuff with good moments, so I can’t hate on this one
@@ninjanibba4259 Fair enough.
The arcade game probably made more money than the actual film.
That game is actually pretty decent for an On Rails Shooter
It is definitely one of the better movie-to-game adaptations
RIP Anton Yelchin
1989-2016
Brah, I legit spit out my coffee with “thank you, Black Newt”! 😂
I think it's thank you black mute.
That rant from Christian Bale is legendary !! And personally i can't blame him for reacting the way he did.
Who was it to?
I think it was to a studio exec but not sure.
@@spencerdewberry8982 I thought it was a lighting guy who messed up a take. I could be wrong though
@@spencerdewberry8982 it was a guy on set.
I blame him for what he did. Nobody else did. 😐
I actually kind of liked this one. Seeing a variety of terminator models and other machines was fun
Remember guys, be hopeful! The franchise can only get better from here, right 😃
This movie honestly wasn't that bad, it was just kinda meh. The ending with 'take muh hart' was fun though.
If they can build entire humanoid robots, couldn't they just give John Connor a mechanical heart?
The problem I had with the ending when I saw it was how they had no issues with doing a full heart transplant in a field hospital during an apocalypse. That's no small feat. The risk of losing both should have just made them forget about the whole thing
Uh no? Only Skynet knows how to create robots and improved technology, the resistance doesn’t have the intelligence or resources to do anything remotely close to that.
@@l.pricetag.5207 Artificial hearts exist in real life. Surely they would have a more advanced form of that.
@@rossthebesiegebuilder3563 that doesn't mean they have the resources to do so, they would know how to make a rocketing, doesn't mean they have what that requires to build it, particularly with the fact they would also have to have one nearby, it's like saying that a sniper shouldn't be able to kill a poltican because the poltican could have worn a 400lb suit of armor
@@rossthebesiegebuilder3563 yeah but remember, a literal apocalypse happened. They live in sewers have to catch and eat rats to stay alive. It’s astronomically unlikely that they’d have an artificial heart just lying around and I’d they did, someone would have most likely already used it or stolen it and they definitely do not have the resources to just make another one.
If you think about it, this is the most original terminator since the original.
And it gets hate. People bitch about wanting something new then hate it, it was a bit rough at times but no where close to the hate that it actually received.
@@jr2904 they were ungrateful son's of ****
I really do like the idea, always wanted to delve into the apocalyptic future but the execution was well objectively mediocre at best and given the series' pedigree it needed to be at least just good. Took too much inspiration from Transformers me thinks.
@@Roflcrabs like the harvester terminator too
Very much the most original but really surprising how dull it was and little John Conner had in the film. Should have done something to look like the hero of humanity
Announcer: It’s John Conn-“
Arnold: Talk to the hand ✋🏻
My roommate and I have had a running joke for a solid decade now about Bale's John Conner.
It was so clear he was mid-Batman during the filming of Salvation, we keep imagining him slipping between Bruce and John (because in this Terminator film, they're basically interchangeable)
What's your name?
"John Connor"
What was that?
"Bat Connor"
Who are you??
"John Wayne"
One more time
"Hnnnrrhghhh, J-JOHN MAN BACK FAT" and just crumbles into tears.
I actually remember enjoying this terminator movie