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Well, Teller seemed in fact surprised... Regarding the trick itself, I believe he had to have 4 different kinds of signals in the cards. Perpahs even more, for example, one kind of «tell» for each suit, so that he could rule out the suit that didn't had the card fastly enough. Then, perhaps a second signal, to see the order, at least that, or even 4 or 5 different «tells» total, one for kind of different approaches he had, suit, face/number, odd/even, etc. Very cool, but effectively the deck might have been in a specific order to be easy to catch up those «tells»... Keep bringing them up! And like I've mentioned you on FB, try to react to some of Shin Lim's magic videos too, with his friends... Who knows he invites you too to be there!
Enjoy your videos man. As to the trick, we never see the faces of the deck penn uses. maybe it’s loaded with 7d and he has a way to get the rest of the cards he needs. i missed it too though because of the shock of him bringing teller up to watch. the viewer automatically grants him that the deck is legit, which is a crazy good form of misdirection on penn’s part.
I love Teller's reactions to really good magic. Even when they figure out how the trick was done, he still smiles, laughs, gasps, and sometimes bounces around in his seat like a little kid. You can see it here.
I love that Teller has a wireless microphone on him given he doesn’t speak for the show…Kinda a shame cause he’s extremely well spoken and a genuinely great dude!
this is actually a very basic (but nice one, I really liked it) math-based counting trick: the cards are initially ordered red/black (then suits, then face/numbers, even/odd) and Penn performs kind of a binary search for the missing card by counting half each time with the help of these weird phrases "... so per-fect-ly wrong ..." (about 25 syllables in the complete first phrase -- then the middle card #26 tells the opposite color from the missing card, and so on)
@@NomTom twice: once before he takes the card out and once after. which is why Penn (normally) needs only a few cards to cycle to fully recover the initial state before he puts his hands under the jacket.
I see two ways this could be done: 1: an ordered deck, with 1 or more cards having a touch-based tell. Then it's just a matter of counting for Penn to figure out Teller's card and perform the rest of the story. 2: We never get to see the cards before Teller makes his selection. It could just be a deck of 7 Diamonds. Then, when Penn's hands are under the jacket, he pulls out some other cards (sleeve, plant, doesn't matter). Then, he just uses those extra cards to perform the story, knowing the whole first deck was just 7 Diamonds.
That second theory would mesh with Penn repeatedly telling audiences for years that everything they see magicians do is based on lying and cheating. Sounds plausible.
I think given that he only allows Teller to use cuts it's a pre-sorted deck. Penn sneaks a peak at the cards as Teller is taking off his jacket and cuts the deck back to get a known card to the bottom of the deck, I catch a flash of it being black - so probably the Three of Clubs. I've spent a bit of time reverse engineering it this evening and could perform the same effect as Penn, although it may not be his method. The top half of the deck is red, the bottom half is black. You reveal the 26th card from the deck, if it's red you know he's not picked the card from the red half, this is your first miss. I think this is why he's being so precise with his words, it's probably 26 syllables or words he's using to help count the cards. You put the top (red) half to one side and reveal the 13th card from the black deck (which again, is sorted into clubs/spades). This is your suit miss, and you take the appropriate other half of the black deck. The next step doesn't cut into half, each suit is sorted KQJ/Odds/Evens, so when you have narrowed down the suit, you take the third card, if it's a face card (which will be a jack) then you take the 10 non-face cards. Take the fifth card from that pile shows if it's odd or even and then the remaining half it's from is all of the odd/even cards it isn't.
My guess: Penn had a prepared deck of cards consisting only of diamond sevens, which Teller picked. He also had the "wrong" cards in his sleeve and pulled them out under Teller's coat to put them on the table. He switched out the prepared deck of cards below the coat with a regular one sans the 7 of diamonds to give Teller in the end.
@@a.j.8926 i as well thought this when i saw it. because at no point does penn show that each card is different. it would be super easy to do a deck swap under the coat too if teller had asked to see the cards afterwards. combine that with the fake shuffles, this seem like the most "penn gilette" way of doing this
Tom yeah... i thought that as well... but you get to see the 3 and 4 of spades... that at least suggests they were in some order. And he could undo a pair of cuts if he had som tactile clues
No, that's not it. The effect was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" . There's a bunch of really fooling magic in the book.
The fact that Piff the Magic Dragon has been in so much stuff that they do after performing for them is amazing. I absolutely love his act and it's great to see them bring him on XD
Eric leclerc said before his act was 2 bad magicians.its why they loved his act and was refreshing to see. I never knew they had bad acts.i thought only the ones we saw , were the only ones who were on the show.
Seems like he can feel by touch the cards, which means they are marked. He took a very long time talking slowly and concentrating on going through the deck and accounting for all the cards that are left while memorizing them. It's very impressive and must have taken a long time to learn. This also explains how he pulls out a card from under the jacket and already knows what it is without looking.
My guess is that it is a simple marking system. So you stack the deck in a pre-memorized order. Then you, for example, put a dot you can feel on the top left of every other card. Then you feel around until you find the place where there is either two dotted cards in a row or two non-dotted cards in a row. That is the missing card. And since the deck is in a pre-order you can just go a certain number past it to get to a card of different suit, different color, so on... you can do that with CHSD order but there are many differen't creative ordering systems.
As well as being able to tell which card was Teller's, he also had to identify all the "wrong" cards as well. Since his hands were covered, that was quite a feat as well. As for the fable, I have always said, "If you give a group of people a plate of cookies, someone will always annoyingly ask, 'Where's the Oatmeal Raisin?'" Good point about us being grateful as well! :-)
You look like the nicest guy, I really hope your channel grows as much as you seem to deserve. I don't usually comment on videos, but I saw that you still have not that many comments and thought it would be good to show that your work was appreciated. It's always great to watch someone with good intentions doing a great work as an entertainer. I sincerely wish you the best.
My first guess was that, since Penn never actually showed the cards in the original deck to anyone (though we did see two cards that weren't the 7 of diamonds), the original deck could have had only 7s of diamond, and then Penn did a simple deck swap under the jacket. But that doesn't explain how Penn could ensure that Teller not pick one of those two cards we saw (double-sided tape on the bottom card before the cut doesn't really solve much), and it also doesn't explain how he could ensure that Teller not accidentally see that there were multiple 7s of diamond during the selection. I'm fooled.
Clément Mihailescu I‘d say, you got half of the trick. I think I figured out the other half. Please check my comment 5 minutes if you want to compare thoughts.
The effect was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" . There are many fooling routines in that book.
The cards had all the faces in order, but they were sorted according to their own code (everyone can come up with their own so that the sequence is not visible, and yet you can determine the next or previous card.). However, the cards must be special, which you can buy in every magic shop. We don't take Penn's shuffling of cards seriously, just turning half the deck 180 degrees. You will then offer cards to cut. Then you spread the cards about 1/3 and let Teller pick any card. You group the cards and offer them again for cutting. What happened? The features of the special cards and this precise procedure will allow you to easily discover the dividing plane in the form of a small number of cards. The upcoming card (+1) is the first card of the small number that is the divider, and the previous card (-1) is in front of this dividing plane, or in front of the first card. The selected card was between these two specific cards. All you have to do is place these two cards on the table and deduce the missing card from your own sequence made before the performance. It's a good idea to lay out a few more free cards and talk about even or odd cards and colors. This trick can be done very quickly, but in order not to reveal special manipulations with special cards, it is necessary to do it secretly. That is all. Mr. Jason was wrong to say that Penn knew from the beginning which card Teller had chosen. Penn didn't know until he put the first two cards on the table. The rest was a matter of fantasy. I have tried this trick several times with success, but I am not tempted to have special cards with me. I would rather choose the "plants" option, ie provide the required card to a friend before the performance, which he will then reveal. Any card you choose would remain hidden in your pocket. To avoid suspicion of an agreement or the supernatural, you can perform the same theater as Penn for a long time - it intensifies the illusion that the card is actually sought by a special algorithm. Never trust television, notabene entertaining shows. ))
@@richardnewell8478 I think in 2:40 penn put those in the deck. Originally deck has only 7 of diamonds. 2:28 you can see a diamond at the bottom. 2:30 its also a diamond at the bottom, Which was hard to recognize, its not much clear. Try in slow motion.
This trick is called "I always miss, so I never miss" created by Ramon Rioboo who passed away in 2021. It is based on the “The Black-Hole Principle,” When card is removed from a particular stack, you know about the characteristics of other cards at certain positions.
Someone under the table grabs the deck while hidden by the coat, finds the missing card and feeds the show cards back up to Penn, who is pretending to count cards to give them time. Magicians so rarely have hidden help like that, that I can totally see Penn arranging it, and also getting Piff in sort of as a hint. He /might/ even have had Piff be under the table and use a pre-existing fast-travel to the back of the theater, JUST to make it more of a magician’s joke.
I'm assuming it's a backwards svengali setup, or Si Stubbins, but in backwards order. The reveal seems to be similar to when you count out "color" followed by counting "number" then "matching card" (no space) and end up with the same card of the opposing suit.
8:24 Penn did say that the trick he was doing was pretty procedural, he was definitely doing something with his hands under the jacket, and he was speaking in a weird pattern (as if he was saying a word per card taken off the top, for example. What that could be? I have no clue, but that's my only guess.
Well I’ve watched this for the first time and I’m amazed that Penn really fooled Teller with this already published effect. I love Penn and Teller but the real creator should get all the credit it is a superb stack from a great thinker in Magic.👍😊👍
Yes, Ramon Rioboo is a genius! Everyone here should support him and purchase his book from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" from Second Thoughts. He deserves the credit!
I love to see that look of absolute wonder on Teller's face. I've commented on a few people's videos that I view it as more of a win than the FU trophy. When he realized that Alison was talking about Penn...priceless. My first impressions: Penn's "This shuffle is for the people at home" wasn't a shuffle, and "this cut is for people at home." wasn't a cut. So basically the only out of order cards were because of Teller's cut. The way he emphasized his words sounded kinda like an "Eeny-meeny-miney-mo" and it's possible he chose his words (or rather the length of sentences) very deliberately. I'd have to re-watch to be sure, but I think he legitimately didn't know which card Teller chose, and It wasn't magic, per se, so much as math. The whole thing reminded me of a computer program. If so, it was brilliantly executed. After hearing your thoughts and Teller's (well, Piff's anyway.) I stand by my theory. There were an awful lot of red herrings that Penn pulled, but I don't think the card was forced. I don't think there was a deck switch or any sleight of hand (Teller's too clever for that and Penn, frankly, isn't good enough to pull that on Teller,) I don't think it's a special deck, or special cards, and I don't think they were marked in any way. I do think they had a special order, and he used some kind of mathematical algorithm to find the card. I can think of a few ways that I would do it, but on the whole I consider myself, like Teller, half fooled. Maybe I'm wrong and it's a deceptively *simple* trick.
The method is much more sophisticated than you might think. It was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. The effect is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss". The whole principle is interesting. It's available from Penguin Magic.
I played the shuffle in slow motion. That is crazy! I don’t even know how that worked. It doesn’t seem like it should work. It sounded like a shuffle. I now have to go play around with this myself.
Since the cards weren’t shuffled at all, they were likely in new deck order, making it easy for anyone who could see the deck, to know which one was missing. Since Penn isn’t looking at the cards at all, and he is still pulling out the wrong cards, my guess is someone else under the table was handed the deck, and then fed Penn the cards. I just can’t think of any other way. And Penn saying it’s just you and me, “one on one,” could also be a fun clue Penn through out there. He loves talking in code.
Teller picks a card, Teller cuts the deck (We see 7 of Diamonds and know it's been cut into the ~middle of the deck), Teller takes his jacket off while Penn shuffles the deck in his hands. Everything after doesn't really matter. - Penn can't have snuck anything into Teller' jacket unless its very light (ie. no deck inside his jacket) - Teller sees the cards from start to them being put under the jacket. - Penn says he half-fooled him. My guess: The deck isn't shuffled by Penn initially, and merely reset to their original place. What supports this, is if you go frame by frame when we see a close-up of Penn' shuffle, we see 3 of Clubs and 4 of Spades. The cut is 'real' - as in he probably puts exactly one half on top of the other and the cards are now back in their original order. So when Teller cuts, the trick is now for Penn to figure out where Teller has cut the deck. Note that when Teller puts the card in his pocket, he touches it with 6 fingers across the entire card. When Penn spreads out the deck (Penn touches the cards) and Teller picks a card - Penn can get a hint about the cards if they're marked here; but he'd have to fool Teller with it (but that might be the half he didn't fool him with). Penn touched the cards four times while spreading the deck with a flat hand - you feel for marks with you fingers. Remember that Teller has only cut the deck and picked a card - meaning that if the deck was in original order, it'd now have been cut and has a card missing. When Teller takes off his jacket, Penn shuffles the cards and looks at the deck + some cards at 2:44 after doing something with the deck 3-4 times in front of Teller. After this, the jacket is over his hands and he needs to have completed the trick. Conclusion: Marked cards is only possible, if they're small enough to fool Teller. But it seems like the best solution; Penn took almost 2 minutes hiding the deck under the jacket before revealing the first card. If he knew where the card was in the deck, it'd have taken him 5 seconds - but because this is the simplest and best solution, I believe it's a red herring. I actually believe Penn fooled Teller with his shuffles in front of his face - and I believe him having to take off his jacket and be moving while Penn handles the cards is the key. We see him do something with the deck 3-4 times but I believe he did something at least 5 times: We see Penn take a half out of each deck and look at each card - each time he does this, assuming the deck is in it's original order - he sees which two halves of the deck currently he is holding before cutting it. He then does it with one half of the deck, looks at the cards and resets the deck to the original order and repeats with the other half. He now knows 8 cards and which ones are out of order: 1) Sees one half' cards (each containing 1/4 of the deck) and checks if any are out of order. Let's say Penn sees a card out of order in one of these 1/4 of the deck cards - he now knows that quarter contains the card, because the removed card makes that pile 1 card thinner and when the half is cut, one of the cards has switched places and a new card is in the other half. He now knows which half of the deck the card is in. 2) Repeat, now he knows which 1/4. 3) Repeat, now he knows which 1/8. 4) Repeat, now he knows which 1/16 5) Repeat, now he knows which 1/32 6) Repeat, now he knows which 1/64 - and sees the card Teller picked. That's 6 shuffles - we do see 3-4, so we could easily have missed two because of camera. TL;DR Probably not marked. When Teller removes his jacket, Penn cuts the deck while looking at the cards and then figures out which card it is.
i thought it was si stebbins stack mainly because at the beginning he never actually shuffled the deck it just looked like he did and second cutting the deck doesnt shuffle the deck it just puts the break point somewhere else and picked out the 'right cards' to decipher what his tellers card was
My first thought on this trick was an assistant under the table. Penn passed them the deck while his hands are covered with the coat. They then sorted the deck quickly and passed Penn the cards he needed to make the trick work. He used the very slow cadence to his speech in the beginning to buy them some time.
Hahah, that's great! The effect was actually taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" .
One possibility is a remote RFID reader placed in Teller's jacket by the wardrobe department. Reader gets the card upon placement to jacket, relays to Penn (via radio or other means), Penn now knows the specific card and can complete the trick by knowing the undisturbed order of the cards.
Easiest way to do it would be this: Stacked deck, half the cards are marked, false shuffle, peak at the bottom card of the deck, cuts don't influence the stacking of a deck anyway. Go through the deck until you find either 2 marked or 2 unmarked cards in a row - the one between them has been taken out. Also, if you stack it so it alternates colours, you can simply pick either of those 2 same cards in a row and they will be of the wrong colour. If you also alternate suits (D-S-H-C-D-S-H-C-...), it means that the suit after the card you've shown will not be the suit of the picked card. Now, because you've shown the adjacent card to the chosen one, as well as the one following that, knowing the stack you can figure out the missing card, so you just have to look for face or number depending on what you need (which again is fairly simple for someone like Penn in a stacked deck). The rest follows the same principle.
Me commenting with the video paused at 7:56. Penn said that he wouldn't look, and I trust him. He didn't say that someone else wouldn't look. He was taking cards out from under the suit jacket on the table - then looking at those cards and using the information on them to tell him Teller's card. Conclusion - An assistant is hiding inside the table, and Penn passes the cards to them, through a trap door and hidden by the jacket. The assistant, who knows Teller's card (because it's the only one missing from the deck) is passing cards to Penn through the same trap door, who looks at the card and then calls out the information that card tells him (wrong suit, etc). Penn's initial shuffle and cut are clearly false - so the cards are only cut twice which keeps them in pretty good order, which helps the assistant both identify the correct card and grab the other cards of the same suit and odd/even order.
When Teller is squaring the cards after picking his own, you can see the bottom card looking very much like it's the 7 of diamonds. And so might the card on the bottom of the stack he cuts off the top after that. But as soon as Penn takes the deck and starts shuffling it, it shows black cards... so if he does have a 1 card deck for Teller to pick from, when does he do the switch?
I like your idea but there is one problem: around 2:40 we can clearly see that there are 2x 4 of spades in the deck... so maybe the deck only contains 4 of spades and 7 of diamonds and Penn could somehow find out which one of the two Teller picked?
Okay, I think there were only potential a hand full of different cards (13x 3 of spades, 13x 4 spades, 13x 6 spades, 13x 7 diamonds). The cards we saw at the beginning were different on purpose but at 2:44 when Penn is shuffling you see TWO 4 of spades. My guess is there is a micro mark on the card, and he is simply putting the cards into piles. Then he counts the piles to find the lowest number, then hides those cards up his sleeve and brings out a prepared set of cards to do the reveal.
Late to the party, but haven't read the other comments. Pen sub-divided his predictions by colour (color), suit (soot?) etc. He could have marked the cards accordingly by those categories to quickly identify the card in question. He didn't need 52 separate markings and his hands were under the jacket for quite a while.
i watched something somewhere, if you are good enough, you can tell each card by its weight might have been on fool us, not sure but i do remember watching it
My thoughts: he had 2 decks of cards, the one he showed was all 7diamonds so he could only pick 7 of diamonds, then under the jacket he swaps out the packs and uses the second pack of cards that were in order and penn just had to count out the right cards under the jacket
My first thought is that there was a mirror on the table that he used to the coat to cover and on the side teller sat on was the reflection on the lip of the table... so as he was under the coat he could pause or ramble or draw out his words as he quickly searches for the missing card.
The deck was in a cyclical order. The method he used to shuffle, taking a bunch of cards from the top and putting them on the bottom, doesn't change the cyclical order, it just changes where you start in the cycle. Same with a completed cut. Both are essentially the same as taking one card from the top & putting it on the bottom, but doing so multiple times. We'd have to examine the cycle he used to say anything beyond that
It looked to me like the shuffle was just OPTICS for the audience or a shuffle that you might see a farmhand do in a friendly game in a barn after someone is mowing hay. Day in day out, life being a cycle. And at the end of the day the farm hands finding their way home after enjoying a familiar bowl of punch.
Great video. Love your videos!! I think he did a fake shuffle they were all in order. Once they were under the coat all he had to do was count and separate piles of cards (spades, clubs, hearts, diamonds) his pulling out the king of spades was to deduce which pile of cards he had ordered under the coat and to get any reaction from Teller. This is just a fresh deck that has been fake shuffled and cut once for misdireciton. Once the cards were under the coat he could pull any card out (the top card) see his reaction and count to 13 until he arrived at a different suit and continue to do it until he deduced which card Teller pulled. No slight of hand, no force, just simple deduction and counting from a freshly new deck of cards.
I'm writing this directly after he finished his trick i swear . I think he had 2 Deck of card one with only seven of Diamond cards and the other one with these King , ace ....
That's an interesting theory! The effect was actually taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" .
There is a stage hand inside the podium and the top has a pass-through pocket. He passed a deck with 51 cards to the hand, who quickly sorted it and handed him the reveal cards. Penn didn't actual know Teller's card until the end.
No, he can do this trick completely solo, and you can too lol. The effect was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" . There's a bunch of great magic in the book.
The shuffle and cut for the audience were definitely not real, the cards don't change position at all other than the two cuts Teller makes and we never see what order the cards are in. One thing that stands out is that when Penn picks up the deck at 2:40, he appears to be looking at the cards and changing the card order while Teller takes his jacket off. Teller is watching his hands like hawk though. Teller also takes the cards with him at the end and inspects them, which you assume would reveal if they had any kind of braille-like markings on them.
I'm thinking either shaved cards or clipped corners and then just a very in depth observation of that under the coat? However, to be that multi tasked while talking as you count cards would be a magic trick in and of itself. Either way, talent at it's best! These guys are Kings!
I can offer some insight. The shuffle and cut Penn did...they were not what they appear to be, and TBH I wish Penn would put a bit more motion on that shuffle because it shows badly especially from that particular angle we had. Now, I give some Penn Style Code a try. Through the trick Penn demonstrated how much heart he had, a person could think he had multiple hearts, duplicate hearts! When you know how much hearts the man has, it really helps you see how the trick is done, and done beautifully. His years with Teller have really given him a sense of touch akin to Richard Turner, and with that the trick almost works itself even in pitch darkness. Great routine, but I don't think he fooled me. (The funniest part...I can think of a dozen different ways I could perform the same effect, and as Penn likes to say, they only get one bite at the apple. If I've honed in on the wrong method, it doesn't matter that it too would work.)
I know I'm late to the game for commenting on this, but I have a few notes. Remember that Penn gives the deck to Teller after the trick, and Teller takes the deck back to his seat. If the cards were all alike, I'm pretty sure Teller would have noticed. If there were tactile clues, like bumps or cuts, they would have had to have been extremely subtle. If you want my opinion, this reminds a lot of a similar trick by Woody Aragon. I know P&T are big fans and friends with Woody, so it would not surprise me if Woody taught Penn this variation of his trick. I don't know if there is a way to PM on this format, if there is, hit me up and I'll tell you exactly where I saw this from Woody.
I think the main thing is that there are several ways it could have been done, and it's really hard to work out which one it is. For example we only ever see that there is a 4 of spade, 3 of clubs and an 8 (or 7) of diamonds (the card on the bottom of the deck you see after Teller takes his card) in addition to the 7 of diamonds Teller takes. We don't know the rest of the cards. Interesting to note is that the 8 or 7 of diamonds was the bottom card before teller completes the cut after he pulled his card from the deck (you can see it in the video). This is either some kind of coincidence that the 8 was on the bottom, or the deck could have been mostly 7 of diamonds duplicates with only a few other cards that Penn then knows and can identify. The trick could have been done by being made up of fifty 7 of diamonds cards with two others, and just hoping that teller doesn't take the 4 of spades or the 3 of clubs. There are several rules that Penn gives but I think most of these are just misdirection. Including the fake shuffles, which may not have been necessary, they could have been just to try and misdirect Teller.
If you look closely, at 2:44 Penn places the four of ♠️ in the bottom. So, if the decks is in chess order, he knows Tellers card because the four of spades is one card before the seven of diamonds( Α♥️ 4♠️ 7♦️) To understand the trick more see the others comments which I didn’t want just to copy
I think he had two decks. One was all the same card except two cards in which he shows at the bottom of the deck while cutting/shuffling. The second he snuck under the jacket (or slipped in before the trick) that was organized so he couldn't alway pick the opposite color, suit, etc. Then revealed the card.
I assume it's a stacked deck. Like CHSD order. Whenever you only cut cards then the stack doesn't change. Plus you can literally see and hear him count off cards under the jacket.
Hey Jason, here are some thoughts. First on Code. I think Penn actually uses Code during the presentation. „Exaggeration“ and „Round“ seem to be keys to the trick. After the show he probably came up to Teller and said with a grin, „do you remember how I mentioned, …“ „Round“ could mean that he clipped some of the card‘s corners. „Exaggeration“ could mean that all the movement under the jackett is just misdirection. „Shuffling for the audience“ does not mean the live audience. It means us, the „pause and repeat in slomo“ audience on youtube. We shall be misdirected by Penn deliberately flashing two black cards. (In none of P&T‘s shows have you ever seen them flash the bottom cards in a shuffle) The handling: Since Penn had no chance to see the card or the back of the card and Teller placed it back to where it was I think we can eliminate peeking, a marked deck or a control. If this is true, he must have forced the card. So how did he do that? It‘s not r&s or svengali. Teller would have felt that. I‘d say it‘s a deck with 7d plus one 3k on the bottom and a 4c in the middle, which Penn does a false cut to. How? He clipped the corners. The chances that Teller will pick one of the black cards is 1 in 26. So the chance that Teller picks a 7d is 25/26. I‘d suggest, he took the bold chance. I would. And I bet he had an out, in case the trick actuall goes „totally wrong“, as he announced. His „marker cards“ where sleeved an in order all along. No counting cards, no high level math, no memorization, no deck switch. This method is as simple and bullet proof as it is fooling. Please like if you feel that this makes sense.
My guess: there was someone under the table. The table has a slit to pass the deck. The person down there has a machine to go quickly through the cards and in seconds finds out what the card is. The cards are given to Penn in the exact order he needs to show them to narrow down the selected card. They might even have told him what the card was in his earpiece
I think the middle of the deck is loaded with 7 of diamonds, and Penn's story-telling cards are in order at a certain known position at the time he produces them. Penn's shuffle and cut "For the people at home" are totally fake and the order of the deck is preserved. Teller's cut is near the middle, so we know the cards are in sequence from around the middle to the end, and from the top to around the middle. Penn spreads the cards out, exposing mostly middle-to-bottom cards, and Teller pulls from near the bottom. So Teller is pulling from around the centre of the original deck. Teller cuts the deck again, almost cleanly in the middle, so the deck is now mostly in the original order, but with a few cards at the top or bottom which need to be swapped to the other side. You can see Penn hastily swapping cards around before asking for Teller's jacket. With the Jacket over Penn's hands, he just needs to queue up his story card sequence, which he'd know the position of by observing the cards beforehand. Rummaging around under the jacket is just misdirection. Another piece of evidence that supports my theory is that when Teller scrapes up the deck he just picked from, ready to do the second (real) cut, it looks like the card right on the bottom is also a 7 of diamonds.
It doesn't matter if the selection was forced or not.....Penn pulled out a spade to show that it was a red card, a heart to show it was a diamond, a Jack to show it was a number card, and a 10 to show it was an odd card.....then he pulled out the A, 3, 5, & 9 to show it was the 7. The ONLY way he could have done that under the coat was if the cards were physically altered so he could know what they were by touch. It's the only possible explanation and it would explain how he did every aspect of the trick.....unless he had two decks and one of them was ONLY the 7 of Diamonds 52 times, and the other was those cards in the order he brought them out in. Except at 1:48 you CLEARLY see the 3 of clubs and 4 of spades in the deck he hands Teller so he would have had NO WAY of knowing what card was going to be picked.
@@nitedk the very beginning... shuffle for the audience at home, cut for the audience at home... its there, then at 2:30ish you can see a 3rd card when Teller cuts them again.
The cards have been modified in some way, let's say small cuts in the edges or glued sand so that he can know exactly what card he is touching without looking, this allowed him to order the cards back to square one thus simply finding the missing card. For this trick, not all the cards were modified which increases difficulty, thats why he had to pull all odd diamonds to then visually determine the missing card.
I like your micro-braille theory. I do think Penn was feeling-figuring it out with the process of elimination. I very much enjoyed your candid explanations. Getting the mind in motion in this way will lead to new ways to expand the art.
He's not feeling anything out. It's an ungimmicked deck. The effect was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" .
7:51 before i watch the rest, My idea to how it was done would be Pen forced the first card (he didnt show the deck, coulda been a stack of 7 of Dimonds (the majority of them anyway) and switched the deck with another one under the jacked. Then presented it from there... what do you think?
what do you think of my theory @Jason Parker, simple but 95% chance that it would work? Or Do you think pen been thinking of this for a long time and was extremely creative?
Penn didn't actually shuffle or cut the deck in the beginning, and with the two cuts that Teller did, the deck would be pretty close to how it was at the start of the trick. My guess is he sorted the cards into suits if they weren't already, and then worked out which one was one short of a full suit. Proceeded as necessary.
ah! two separate deck of cards. The first deck was given to Teller was a force card which all assuming all seven of diamonds. Then, under the coat, Penn hides or ditching the first deck and swaps it with a new second deck which is a sequence card that he memorized.
Dont think so, as we were able to see one of the cards and it wasn’t the 7th of diamonds; therefore there would be a possibility if teller getting the wrong card
I see the four of clubs multiple times and the seven of diamonds appears to be visible in tellers second cut? Hard to tell but it’s a diamond of some kind
There is a disposition with the cards and when teller cut and take a cart cut the bottom part to the top and pen mixing look the top one and make the trick
I think this is pretty easy to figure out. Would be surprised if Teller was actually fooled. If you pre-arrange a deck in order and make a cut, and then make another cut you are only out of order by a couple of cards. So the whole thing of shuffling uder the coat is to seperate the suits which are mostly in order. Then it's only process of elimation which one is missing. The shuffle at the beginning was a fake shuffle
I have an idea. Penn didn't do a shuffle, and he only asked teller to cut. Meaning he couldve used a stack and all the cat does is circle the decks. If for example every card adjacent to every card was oppossite color (meaning black red black red) he can use the cards around the card to draw information. I am not sure about the specifics and I will try to attempt to create a stack like that, I don't even know if its possible, or it may be but penn used a different method entirely, but It will be a fun experiment for me.
My Take. At 2.48 - 1.49 one can see the 3 Clubs and 4 Spades. I believe purposely shown to provide strong contrast to the 7D. But 3C is still on bottom of deck after the cut. So I think the deck is all 7D except for those 2 cards. So my question was did he remove those cards before handing the deck to Teller. If so I did not see it. But Penn did spread the deck for Teller in a way that it would be very very unlikely Teller would accidentally pick one of the non 7Ds, but certainly risk there. When he ask Teller to take off his jacket at 2.41 the deck goes out of camera range, but look at Teller he is not being suckered by taking off his jacket. He is laser focused on the deck of cards. I think at this moment Teller might add some more cards to the deck to be able to show more none 7Ds AT 2.42 you can see the 4 Spades again when he cuts and notice Teller looking at the 4 Spades at that moment. Teller is bulldog and knows exactly what to be looking at. Anyway the odds of him cutting to the 4S again is very unlikely, so he is manipulating the deck to show specific cards. The rest of the trick is easy if he know the card was 7D and if Penn did not remove the 3C and 4S, I didn't see him remove them, then I think he had a backup plan. Maybe a stripper deck so he could quickly pull the 3C and 4S and some sorta braille on those 2 cards so he quickly knew which card Penn took. This also might be the reason Penn was 1/2 fooled. He did not know the backup plan for the 3C and 4S.
No it's not weird he really has an amazing personality that you feel comfortable watching there's really no stress one of my go to channels for when I feel miserable and Jason ever makes it to New York I'm definitely buying him a drink
I think you are mostly right. But I don't think there was any tactile identification. As you noted, the cut and shuffle at the beginning were all fake and maintained the order of the deck, then Teller was told to very carefully follow instrustions and only performed cuts to the deck throughout the rest of the trick. I think the deck was originally configured in a cyclical pattern, one where, no matter where you began in the deck, the cards would always reflect the same pattern. The deck could be cut repeatedly without breaking this pattern, which it was several times throughout the trick. When Teller selected his card, he would have disrupted that pattern by only one card, so the rest of the trick was about Penn finding the place where the pattern was disrupted. When Penn had his hands under the jacket, I think he was counting through groups of the cards in order to hone in on a specific part of the pattern. That's why in his patter, he was talking so slowly in parts and emphasizing groups of five syllables at a time. He was using his patter to help him keep track of the pattern of the cards in his head as he manipulated them under the jacket. Then, he literally was discovering the suit and value of Teller's card as he was pulling out each card in the process of elimination. Once he has narrowed it down to an odd-numbered, faceless, diamond card, he then produces all of the remaining cards that fit that description, then deducing that it must be the 7 in Teller's pocket because it was the only one not in the deck. That's what I think happened. But I dont know enough about cards to theorize what kind of order the cards were in in the beginning. My idea hinges on this concept of a cyclical pattern in the cards that Penn could count his way through to find the missing space from Teller's card, but if such a pattern doesn't exist, then I'm totally wrong. But hey, that's just a theroy....a magic theory!
i believe that penn actually took the whole "offbalance your guinea pig" thing to the next level, as basically with the first four cards he revealed, he revealed a king and a jack (representing themselves, in unequal values in his typical deference to teller's intellect), in colorwise-unmatching suits (like they typically dress themselves), linked by a 2 that arguably resembles the symbol &, then he revealed the number 10 which is how long the show runs. Which is actually awesome storytelling, as there is a story within the story; it's just not being narrated.
1) Penn did not shuffle the deck 2) Teller did 2 cut but that would only change the order of the cards at 2 positions. The majority of the cards still in order that Penn knows 3) He rearranged the decks and figured out the order of the cards after Teller got the chosen card and gave back the deck 4) The cards have tactile symbols (little bumps) aka words for people with blindness (you can see these symbols on elevators sometime) - The rest is just to feel and figure out which card is missing (that is why it took Penn a while)
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Yeah tellers face was soooo surprised and stunned
Well, Teller seemed in fact surprised...
Regarding the trick itself, I believe he had to have 4 different kinds of signals in the cards. Perpahs even more, for example, one kind of «tell» for each suit, so that he could rule out the suit that didn't had the card fastly enough. Then, perhaps a second signal, to see the order, at least that, or even 4 or 5 different «tells» total, one for kind of different approaches he had, suit, face/number, odd/even, etc. Very cool, but effectively the deck might have been in a specific order to be easy to catch up those «tells»...
Keep bringing them up! And like I've mentioned you on FB, try to react to some of Shin Lim's magic videos too, with his friends... Who knows he invites you too to be there!
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Enjoy your videos man. As to the trick, we never see the faces of the deck penn uses. maybe it’s loaded with 7d and he has a way to get the rest of the cards he needs. i missed it too though because of the shock of him bringing teller up to watch. the viewer automatically grants him that the deck is legit, which is a crazy good form of misdirection on penn’s part.
Youve been killin it with the rapid fire vids... Thank you for your entertainment...
I got it. The dragon can talk because it is actually a man in a costume. Didn't fool me at all.
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You're wrong. He's a dragon disguised as a man disguised as a dragon
Precisely. Its Mushu inside of there
He's the man in the dragon costume,
He's poutry man's best friend
@@yiguozhang2921 grian!!!!!!!!!!!
I love Teller's reactions to really good magic. Even when they figure out how the trick was done, he still smiles, laughs, gasps, and sometimes bounces around in his seat like a little kid. You can see it here.
I love that Teller has a wireless microphone on him given he doesn’t speak for the show…Kinda a shame cause he’s extremely well spoken and a genuinely great dude!
after second watching i realized that he didn't even shuffle and cut at all and IM ABSOLUTELY sure Teller knew it and Penn knew he knows
It's refreshing to see new magicians featured on Fool Us. Looking forward to many good things from this young guy!
This was super cute. I felt the love and caring between them. A true friendship.
The order of the cards appeared to matter a great deal, so I am guessing it is a very advanced math-based counting trick.
Look at my answer it may have a few more things involved but I think that it forms the basis.
this is actually a very basic (but nice one, I really liked it) math-based counting trick: the cards are initially ordered red/black (then suits, then face/numbers, even/odd) and Penn performs kind of a binary search for the missing card by counting half each time with the help of these weird phrases "... so per-fect-ly wrong ..." (about 25 syllables in the complete first phrase -- then the middle card #26 tells the opposite color from the missing card, and so on)
@@mr.username But Teller also cut the deck once
@@NomTom twice: once before he takes the card out and once after. which is why Penn (normally) needs only a few cards to cycle to fully recover the initial state before he puts his hands under the jacket.
Tom he cut the deck but also flipped the cards. Teller didn’t. This gives him the starting point.
I see two ways this could be done:
1: an ordered deck, with 1 or more cards having a touch-based tell. Then it's just a matter of counting for Penn to figure out Teller's card and perform the rest of the story.
2: We never get to see the cards before Teller makes his selection. It could just be a deck of 7 Diamonds. Then, when Penn's hands are under the jacket, he pulls out some other cards (sleeve, plant, doesn't matter). Then, he just uses those extra cards to perform the story, knowing the whole first deck was just 7 Diamonds.
That second theory would mesh with Penn repeatedly telling audiences for years that everything they see magicians do is based on lying and cheating. Sounds plausible.
my thoughts too
Watch as Teller is splitting the deck, the card on the bottom looks like a 7 of Diamonds. I think you're right.
I think given that he only allows Teller to use cuts it's a pre-sorted deck. Penn sneaks a peak at the cards as Teller is taking off his jacket and cuts the deck back to get a known card to the bottom of the deck, I catch a flash of it being black - so probably the Three of Clubs.
I've spent a bit of time reverse engineering it this evening and could perform the same effect as Penn, although it may not be his method.
The top half of the deck is red, the bottom half is black. You reveal the 26th card from the deck, if it's red you know he's not picked the card from the red half, this is your first miss. I think this is why he's being so precise with his words, it's probably 26 syllables or words he's using to help count the cards.
You put the top (red) half to one side and reveal the 13th card from the black deck (which again, is sorted into clubs/spades). This is your suit miss, and you take the appropriate other half of the black deck.
The next step doesn't cut into half, each suit is sorted KQJ/Odds/Evens, so when you have narrowed down the suit, you take the third card, if it's a face card (which will be a jack) then you take the 10 non-face cards.
Take the fifth card from that pile shows if it's odd or even and then the remaining half it's from is all of the odd/even cards it isn't.
@@patio87 Look at when Penn splits the deck
Penn has a deck of cards. Can you believe that?
My guess:
Penn had a prepared deck of cards consisting only of diamond sevens, which Teller picked.
He also had the "wrong" cards in his sleeve and pulled them out under Teller's coat to put them on the table.
He switched out the prepared deck of cards below the coat with a regular one sans the 7 of diamonds to give Teller in the end.
I thought the same thing
@@a.j.8926 i as well thought this when i saw it. because at no point does penn show that each card is different. it would be super easy to do a deck swap under the coat too if teller had asked to see the cards afterwards. combine that with the fake shuffles, this seem like the most "penn gilette" way of doing this
while he's doing his fake shuffles and cuts you can see some faces
Tom yeah... i thought that as well... but you get to see the 3 and 4 of spades... that at least suggests they were in some order. And he could undo a pair of cuts if he had som tactile clues
No, that's not it. The effect was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" . There's a bunch of really fooling magic in the book.
Watching Piff just nonchalantly eating popcorn makes this great.
The fact that Piff the Magic Dragon has been in so much stuff that they do after performing for them is amazing. I absolutely love his act and it's great to see them bring him on XD
Eric leclerc said before his act was 2 bad magicians.its why they loved his act and was refreshing to see. I never knew they had bad acts.i thought only the ones we saw , were the only ones who were on the show.
Seems like he can feel by touch the cards, which means they are marked. He took a very long time talking slowly and concentrating on going through the deck and accounting for all the cards that are left while memorizing them. It's very impressive and must have taken a long time to learn. This also explains how he pulls out a card from under the jacket and already knows what it is without looking.
My guess is that it is a simple marking system. So you stack the deck in a pre-memorized order. Then you, for example, put a dot you can feel on the top left of every other card. Then you feel around until you find the place where there is either two dotted cards in a row or two non-dotted cards in a row. That is the missing card. And since the deck is in a pre-order you can just go a certain number past it to get to a card of different suit, different color, so on... you can do that with CHSD order but there are many differen't creative ordering systems.
As well as being able to tell which card was Teller's, he also had to identify all the "wrong" cards as well. Since his hands were covered, that was quite a feat as well.
As for the fable, I have always said, "If you give a group of people a plate of cookies, someone will always annoyingly ask, 'Where's the Oatmeal Raisin?'" Good point about us being grateful as well! :-)
I like that part of the show, it is so great to see Teller genuinely surprised and excited.
You look like the nicest guy, I really hope your channel grows as much as you seem to deserve.
I don't usually comment on videos, but I saw that you still have not that many comments and thought it would be good to show that your work was appreciated.
It's always great to watch someone with good intentions doing a great work as an entertainer.
I sincerely wish you the best.
I appreciate that!
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“ I exaggerate more than anybody in the world”😂😂😂😂
Well, given the fable you shared, I think I have to say I appreciate you doing these reaction videos. They're interesting. Thanks!
Glad you like them!
My first guess was that, since Penn never actually showed the cards in the original deck to anyone (though we did see two cards that weren't the 7 of diamonds), the original deck could have had only 7s of diamond, and then Penn did a simple deck swap under the jacket. But that doesn't explain how Penn could ensure that Teller not pick one of those two cards we saw (double-sided tape on the bottom card before the cut doesn't really solve much), and it also doesn't explain how he could ensure that Teller not accidentally see that there were multiple 7s of diamond during the selection. I'm fooled.
Clément Mihailescu I‘d say, you got half of the trick. I think I figured out the other half. Please check my comment 5 minutes if you want to compare thoughts.
The effect was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" . There are many fooling routines in that book.
The cards had all the faces in order, but they were sorted according to their own code (everyone can come up with their own so that the sequence is not visible, and yet you can determine the next or previous card.). However, the cards must be special, which you can buy in every magic shop. We don't take Penn's shuffling of cards seriously, just turning half the deck 180 degrees. You will then offer cards to cut. Then you spread the cards about 1/3 and let Teller pick any card. You group the cards and offer them again for cutting. What happened? The features of the special cards and this precise procedure will allow you to easily discover the dividing plane in the form of a small number of cards. The upcoming card (+1) is the first card of the small number that is the divider, and the previous card (-1) is in front of this dividing plane, or in front of the first card. The selected card was between these two specific cards. All you have to do is place these two cards on the table and deduce the missing card from your own sequence made before the performance. It's a good idea to lay out a few more free cards and talk about even or odd cards and colors. This trick can be done very quickly, but in order not to reveal special manipulations with special cards, it is necessary to do it secretly. That is all. Mr. Jason was wrong to say that Penn knew from the beginning which card Teller had chosen. Penn didn't know until he put the first two cards on the table. The rest was a matter of fantasy.
I have tried this trick several times with success, but I am not tempted to have special cards with me. I would rather choose the "plants" option, ie provide the required card to a friend before the performance, which he will then reveal. Any card you choose would remain hidden in your pocket. To avoid suspicion of an agreement or the supernatural, you can perform the same theater as Penn for a long time - it intensifies the illusion that the card is actually sought by a special algorithm. Never trust television, notabene entertaining shows. ))
You can see at 1:49 that there is a 3 and a 4 in the deck.
@@richardnewell8478 I think in 2:40 penn put those in the deck. Originally deck has only 7 of diamonds. 2:28 you can see a diamond at the bottom. 2:30 its also a diamond at the bottom, Which was hard to recognize, its not much clear. Try in slow motion.
Honestly, they are so cute together. You can tell they've enjoyed their nearly 4 decades working with each other.
This trick is called "I always miss, so I never miss" created by Ramon Rioboo who passed away in 2021. It is based on the “The Black-Hole Principle,”
When card is removed from a particular stack, you know about the characteristics of other cards at certain positions.
Someone under the table grabs the deck while hidden by the coat, finds the missing card and feeds the show cards back up to Penn, who is pretending to count cards to give them time. Magicians so rarely have hidden help like that, that I can totally see Penn arranging it, and also getting Piff in sort of as a hint. He /might/ even have had Piff be under the table and use a pre-existing fast-travel to the back of the theater, JUST to make it more of a magician’s joke.
3:17 "I exaggerate more than anybody in the world" lol
Yeah like. Who gets the F and who gets the U!!! lmao, but that was very heart warming. Penn Jillette "The best a man can get!"
I'm assuming it's a backwards svengali setup, or Si Stubbins, but in backwards order. The reveal seems to be similar to when you count out "color" followed by counting "number" then "matching card" (no space) and end up with the same card of the opposing suit.
Penn likes keeping his tricks simple. He also likes taping things to his forearm and dealing a loaded deck.
8:24 Penn did say that the trick he was doing was pretty procedural, he was definitely doing something with his hands under the jacket, and he was speaking in a weird pattern (as if he was saying a word per card taken off the top, for example. What that could be? I have no clue, but that's my only guess.
Well I’ve watched this for the first time and I’m amazed that Penn really fooled Teller with this already published effect. I love Penn and Teller but the real creator should get all the credit it is a superb stack from a great thinker in Magic.👍😊👍
Yes, Ramon Rioboo is a genius! Everyone here should support him and purchase his book from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" from Second Thoughts. He deserves the credit!
I love to see that look of absolute wonder on Teller's face. I've commented on a few people's videos that I view it as more of a win than the FU trophy. When he realized that Alison was talking about Penn...priceless.
My first impressions:
Penn's "This shuffle is for the people at home" wasn't a shuffle, and "this cut is for people at home." wasn't a cut. So basically the only out of order cards were because of Teller's cut. The way he emphasized his words sounded kinda like an "Eeny-meeny-miney-mo" and it's possible he chose his words (or rather the length of sentences) very deliberately. I'd have to re-watch to be sure, but I think he legitimately didn't know which card Teller chose, and It wasn't magic, per se, so much as math. The whole thing reminded me of a computer program. If so, it was brilliantly executed.
After hearing your thoughts and Teller's (well, Piff's anyway.) I stand by my theory. There were an awful lot of red herrings that Penn pulled, but I don't think the card was forced. I don't think there was a deck switch or any sleight of hand (Teller's too clever for that and Penn, frankly, isn't good enough to pull that on Teller,) I don't think it's a special deck, or special cards, and I don't think they were marked in any way. I do think they had a special order, and he used some kind of mathematical algorithm to find the card. I can think of a few ways that I would do it, but on the whole I consider myself, like Teller, half fooled. Maybe I'm wrong and it's a deceptively *simple* trick.
The method is much more sophisticated than you might think. It was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. The effect is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss". The whole principle is interesting. It's available from Penguin Magic.
Teller looks like an emoticon 😯😄😮 ha ha!
I played the shuffle in slow motion. That is crazy! I don’t even know how that worked. It doesn’t seem like it should work. It sounded like a shuffle. I now have to go play around with this myself.
The method he's using is from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss"
Since the cards weren’t shuffled at all, they were likely in new deck order, making it easy for anyone who could see the deck, to know which one was missing.
Since Penn isn’t looking at the cards at all, and he is still pulling out the wrong cards, my guess is someone else under the table was handed the deck, and then fed Penn the cards.
I just can’t think of any other way. And Penn saying it’s just you and me, “one on one,” could also be a fun clue Penn through out there. He loves talking in code.
Teller picks a card, Teller cuts the deck (We see 7 of Diamonds and know it's been cut into the ~middle of the deck), Teller takes his jacket off while Penn shuffles the deck in his hands.
Everything after doesn't really matter.
- Penn can't have snuck anything into Teller' jacket unless its very light (ie. no deck inside his jacket)
- Teller sees the cards from start to them being put under the jacket.
- Penn says he half-fooled him.
My guess:
The deck isn't shuffled by Penn initially, and merely reset to their original place. What supports this, is if you go frame by frame when we see a close-up of Penn' shuffle, we see 3 of Clubs and 4 of Spades. The cut is 'real' - as in he probably puts exactly one half on top of the other and the cards are now back in their original order. So when Teller cuts, the trick is now for Penn to figure out where Teller has cut the deck. Note that when Teller puts the card in his pocket, he touches it with 6 fingers across the entire card.
When Penn spreads out the deck (Penn touches the cards) and Teller picks a card - Penn can get a hint about the cards if they're marked here; but he'd have to fool Teller with it (but that might be the half he didn't fool him with). Penn touched the cards four times while spreading the deck with a flat hand - you feel for marks with you fingers.
Remember that Teller has only cut the deck and picked a card - meaning that if the deck was in original order, it'd now have been cut and has a card missing.
When Teller takes off his jacket, Penn shuffles the cards and looks at the deck + some cards at 2:44 after doing something with the deck 3-4 times in front of Teller. After this, the jacket is over his hands and he needs to have completed the trick.
Conclusion:
Marked cards is only possible, if they're small enough to fool Teller. But it seems like the best solution; Penn took almost 2 minutes hiding the deck under the jacket before revealing the first card. If he knew where the card was in the deck, it'd have taken him 5 seconds - but because this is the simplest and best solution, I believe it's a red herring.
I actually believe Penn fooled Teller with his shuffles in front of his face - and I believe him having to take off his jacket and be moving while Penn handles the cards is the key. We see him do something with the deck 3-4 times but I believe he did something at least 5 times:
We see Penn take a half out of each deck and look at each card - each time he does this, assuming the deck is in it's original order - he sees which two halves of the deck currently he is holding before cutting it. He then does it with one half of the deck, looks at the cards and resets the deck to the original order and repeats with the other half. He now knows 8 cards and which ones are out of order:
1) Sees one half' cards (each containing 1/4 of the deck) and checks if any are out of order.
Let's say Penn sees a card out of order in one of these 1/4 of the deck cards - he now knows that quarter contains the card, because the removed card makes that pile 1 card thinner and when the half is cut, one of the cards has switched places and a new card is in the other half. He now knows which half of the deck the card is in.
2) Repeat, now he knows which 1/4.
3) Repeat, now he knows which 1/8.
4) Repeat, now he knows which 1/16
5) Repeat, now he knows which 1/32
6) Repeat, now he knows which 1/64 - and sees the card Teller picked.
That's 6 shuffles - we do see 3-4, so we could easily have missed two because of camera.
TL;DR
Probably not marked.
When Teller removes his jacket, Penn cuts the deck while looking at the cards and then figures out which card it is.
i thought it was si stebbins stack mainly because at the beginning he never actually shuffled the deck it just looked like he did and second cutting the deck doesnt shuffle the deck it just puts the break point somewhere else and picked out the 'right cards' to decipher what his tellers card was
Penn rocking those fan-backed Tally Ho! like a boss.
It’s really magical how the 7 of diamonds keeps appearing as the card in question 🧐
My first thought on this trick was an assistant under the table. Penn passed them the deck while his hands are covered with the coat. They then sorted the deck quickly and passed Penn the cards he needed to make the trick work. He used the very slow cadence to his speech in the beginning to buy them some time.
Hahah, that's great! The effect was actually taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" .
One possibility is a remote RFID reader placed in Teller's jacket by the wardrobe department. Reader gets the card upon placement to jacket, relays to Penn (via radio or other means), Penn now knows the specific card and can complete the trick by knowing the undisturbed order of the cards.
Easiest way to do it would be this: Stacked deck, half the cards are marked, false shuffle, peak at the bottom card of the deck, cuts don't influence the stacking of a deck anyway. Go through the deck until you find either 2 marked or 2 unmarked cards in a row - the one between them has been taken out. Also, if you stack it so it alternates colours, you can simply pick either of those 2 same cards in a row and they will be of the wrong colour. If you also alternate suits (D-S-H-C-D-S-H-C-...), it means that the suit after the card you've shown will not be the suit of the picked card. Now, because you've shown the adjacent card to the chosen one, as well as the one following that, knowing the stack you can figure out the missing card, so you just have to look for face or number depending on what you need (which again is fairly simple for someone like Penn in a stacked deck). The rest follows the same principle.
Me commenting with the video paused at 7:56. Penn said that he wouldn't look, and I trust him. He didn't say that someone else wouldn't look. He was taking cards out from under the suit jacket on the table - then looking at those cards and using the information on them to tell him Teller's card. Conclusion - An assistant is hiding inside the table, and Penn passes the cards to them, through a trap door and hidden by the jacket. The assistant, who knows Teller's card (because it's the only one missing from the deck) is passing cards to Penn through the same trap door, who looks at the card and then calls out the information that card tells him (wrong suit, etc). Penn's initial shuffle and cut are clearly false - so the cards are only cut twice which keeps them in pretty good order, which helps the assistant both identify the correct card and grab the other cards of the same suit and odd/even order.
When Teller is squaring the cards after picking his own, you can see the bottom card looking very much like it's the 7 of diamonds. And so might the card on the bottom of the stack he cuts off the top after that. But as soon as Penn takes the deck and starts shuffling it, it shows black cards... so if he does have a 1 card deck for Teller to pick from, when does he do the switch?
I think you're probably the one who worked it out. He can switch to a different deck under the coat, can't he?
You got it!
@@IamGrimalkin yep.alot of movement under that jacket. Teller is smart.he knows alot about card magic
Well a seven could have been on the bottom since they were all 7
I like your idea but there is one problem: around 2:40 we can clearly see that there are 2x 4 of spades in the deck... so maybe the deck only contains 4 of spades and 7 of diamonds and Penn could somehow find out which one of the two Teller picked?
Okay, I think there were only potential a hand full of different cards (13x 3 of spades, 13x 4 spades, 13x 6 spades, 13x 7 diamonds). The cards we saw at the beginning were different on purpose but at 2:44 when Penn is shuffling you see TWO 4 of spades. My guess is there is a micro mark on the card, and he is simply putting the cards into piles. Then he counts the piles to find the lowest number, then hides those cards up his sleeve and brings out a prepared set of cards to do the reveal.
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Pen: “I exaggerate more than anyone in the world”
Me: “You’ve never met my wife”
wife: thats an exaggeration.
I found that comment by Penn to be amusing sadly no one in the audience got it.
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Deck switch
First deck all 7,the coat afforded cover to swap an elephant....up the sleeve ,even Penns own pockets
Late to the party, but haven't read the other comments. Pen sub-divided his predictions by colour (color), suit (soot?) etc. He could have marked the cards accordingly by those categories to quickly identify the card in question. He didn't need 52 separate markings and his hands were under the jacket for quite a while.
i watched something somewhere, if you are good enough, you can tell each card by its weight
might have been on fool us, not sure but i do remember watching it
My thoughts: he had 2 decks of cards, the one he showed was all 7diamonds so he could only pick 7 of diamonds, then under the jacket he swaps out the packs and uses the second pack of cards that were in order and penn just had to count out the right cards under the jacket
I love Fool Us....best magic "series" ever
My first thought is that there was a mirror on the table that he used to the coat to cover and on the side teller sat on was the reflection on the lip of the table... so as he was under the coat he could pause or ramble or draw out his words as he quickly searches for the missing card.
The deck was in a cyclical order. The method he used to shuffle, taking a bunch of cards from the top and putting them on the bottom, doesn't change the cyclical order, it just changes where you start in the cycle. Same with a completed cut. Both are essentially the same as taking one card from the top & putting it on the bottom, but doing so multiple times. We'd have to examine the cycle he used to say anything beyond that
It looked to me like the shuffle was just OPTICS for the audience or a shuffle that you might see a farmhand do in a friendly game in a barn after someone is mowing hay. Day in day out, life being a cycle. And at the end of the day the farm hands finding their way home after enjoying a familiar bowl of punch.
If penn ends up doing this trick again in a future season of penn and teller fool us I want to see him do it to Alyson
Teller isss absolutely ADORABLE. 😃
Great video. Love your videos!! I think he did a fake shuffle they were all in order. Once they were under the coat all he had to do was count and separate piles of cards (spades, clubs, hearts, diamonds) his pulling out the king of spades was to deduce which pile of cards he had ordered under the coat and to get any reaction from Teller. This is just a fresh deck that has been fake shuffled and cut once for misdireciton. Once the cards were under the coat he could pull any card out (the top card) see his reaction and count to 13 until he arrived at a different suit and continue to do it until he deduced which card Teller pulled. No slight of hand, no force, just simple deduction and counting from a freshly new deck of cards.
Well apparently that was a surprise that teller did not see coming
I'm writing this directly after he finished his trick i swear . I think he had 2 Deck of card one with only seven of Diamond cards and the other one with these King , ace ....
That's an interesting theory! The effect was actually taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" .
There is a stage hand inside the podium and the top has a pass-through pocket. He passed a deck with 51 cards to the hand, who quickly sorted it and handed him the reveal cards. Penn didn't actual know Teller's card until the end.
No, he can do this trick completely solo, and you can too lol.
The effect was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" . There's a bunch of great magic in the book.
The shuffle and cut for the audience were definitely not real, the cards don't change position at all other than the two cuts Teller makes and we never see what order the cards are in. One thing that stands out is that when Penn picks up the deck at 2:40, he appears to be looking at the cards and changing the card order while Teller takes his jacket off. Teller is watching his hands like hawk though. Teller also takes the cards with him at the end and inspects them, which you assume would reveal if they had any kind of braille-like markings on them.
I'm thinking either shaved cards or clipped corners and then just a very in depth observation of that under the coat? However, to be that multi tasked while talking as you count cards would be a magic trick in and of itself. Either way, talent at it's best! These guys are Kings!
I can offer some insight. The shuffle and cut Penn did...they were not what they appear to be, and TBH I wish Penn would put a bit more motion on that shuffle because it shows badly especially from that particular angle we had. Now, I give some Penn Style Code a try. Through the trick Penn demonstrated how much heart he had, a person could think he had multiple hearts, duplicate hearts! When you know how much hearts the man has, it really helps you see how the trick is done, and done beautifully. His years with Teller have really given him a sense of touch akin to Richard Turner, and with that the trick almost works itself even in pitch darkness.
Great routine, but I don't think he fooled me.
(The funniest part...I can think of a dozen different ways I could perform the same effect, and as Penn likes to say, they only get one bite at the apple. If I've honed in on the wrong method, it doesn't matter that it too would work.)
I know I'm late to the game for commenting on this, but I have a few notes. Remember that Penn gives the deck to Teller after the trick, and Teller takes the deck back to his seat. If the cards were all alike, I'm pretty sure Teller would have noticed. If there were tactile clues, like bumps or cuts, they would have had to have been extremely subtle. If you want my opinion, this reminds a lot of a similar trick by Woody Aragon. I know P&T are big fans and friends with Woody, so it would not surprise me if Woody taught Penn this variation of his trick. I don't know if there is a way to PM on this format, if there is, hit me up and I'll tell you exactly where I saw this from Woody.
I think the main thing is that there are several ways it could have been done, and it's really hard to work out which one it is. For example we only ever see that there is a 4 of spade, 3 of clubs and an 8 (or 7) of diamonds (the card on the bottom of the deck you see after Teller takes his card) in addition to the 7 of diamonds Teller takes. We don't know the rest of the cards. Interesting to note is that the 8 or 7 of diamonds was the bottom card before teller completes the cut after he pulled his card from the deck (you can see it in the video). This is either some kind of coincidence that the 8 was on the bottom, or the deck could have been mostly 7 of diamonds duplicates with only a few other cards that Penn then knows and can identify. The trick could have been done by being made up of fifty 7 of diamonds cards with two others, and just hoping that teller doesn't take the 4 of spades or the 3 of clubs. There are several rules that Penn gives but I think most of these are just misdirection. Including the fake shuffles, which may not have been necessary, they could have been just to try and misdirect Teller.
You nailed it again JP !
Teller knew it was Penn before Allyson announce Penn name. The way he turn to Penn
I think this trick involves the order of the stacked deck, what makes it fun is Penn vs Teller.
If you look closely, at 2:44 Penn places the four of ♠️ in the bottom. So, if the decks is in chess order, he knows Tellers card because the four of spades is one card before the seven of diamonds( Α♥️ 4♠️ 7♦️)
To understand the trick more see the others comments which I didn’t want just to copy
I think he had two decks. One was all the same card except two cards in which he shows at the bottom of the deck while cutting/shuffling. The second he snuck under the jacket (or slipped in before the trick) that was organized so he couldn't alway pick the opposite color, suit, etc. Then revealed the card.
I assume it's a stacked deck. Like CHSD order. Whenever you only cut cards then the stack doesn't change. Plus you can literally see and hear him count off cards under the jacket.
Hey Jason,
here are some thoughts. First on Code. I think Penn actually uses Code during the presentation. „Exaggeration“ and „Round“ seem to be keys to the trick. After the show he probably came up to Teller and said with a grin, „do you remember how I mentioned, …“
„Round“ could mean that he clipped some of the card‘s corners.
„Exaggeration“ could mean that all the movement under the jackett is just misdirection.
„Shuffling for the audience“ does not mean the live audience. It means us, the „pause and repeat in slomo“ audience on youtube. We shall be misdirected by Penn deliberately flashing two black cards. (In none of P&T‘s shows have you ever seen them flash the bottom cards in a shuffle)
The handling: Since Penn had no chance to see the card or the back of the card and Teller placed it back to where it was I think we can eliminate peeking, a marked deck or a control.
If this is true, he must have forced the card.
So how did he do that? It‘s not r&s or svengali. Teller would have felt that.
I‘d say it‘s a deck with 7d plus one 3k on the bottom and a 4c in the middle, which Penn does a false cut to. How? He clipped the corners.
The chances that Teller will pick one of the black cards is 1 in 26. So the chance that Teller picks a 7d is 25/26.
I‘d suggest, he took the bold chance. I would.
And I bet he had an out, in case the trick actuall goes „totally wrong“, as he announced.
His „marker cards“ where sleeved an in order all along.
No counting cards, no high level math, no memorization, no deck switch.
This method is as simple and bullet proof as it is fooling.
Please like if you feel that this makes sense.
The method he's using is from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss"
He did buy a LOT of time while his hands were under the jacket. Maybe raised bumps like you suggested?
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My guess: there was someone under the table. The table has a slit to pass the deck. The person down there has a machine to go quickly through the cards and in seconds finds out what the card is. The cards are given to Penn in the exact order he needs to show them to narrow down the selected card. They might even have told him what the card was in his earpiece
I think the middle of the deck is loaded with 7 of diamonds, and Penn's story-telling cards are in order at a certain known position at the time he produces them. Penn's shuffle and cut "For the people at home" are totally fake and the order of the deck is preserved. Teller's cut is near the middle, so we know the cards are in sequence from around the middle to the end, and from the top to around the middle. Penn spreads the cards out, exposing mostly middle-to-bottom cards, and Teller pulls from near the bottom. So Teller is pulling from around the centre of the original deck. Teller cuts the deck again, almost cleanly in the middle, so the deck is now mostly in the original order, but with a few cards at the top or bottom which need to be swapped to the other side. You can see Penn hastily swapping cards around before asking for Teller's jacket. With the Jacket over Penn's hands, he just needs to queue up his story card sequence, which he'd know the position of by observing the cards beforehand. Rummaging around under the jacket is just misdirection. Another piece of evidence that supports my theory is that when Teller scrapes up the deck he just picked from, ready to do the second (real) cut, it looks like the card right on the bottom is also a 7 of diamonds.
It doesn't matter if the selection was forced or not.....Penn pulled out a spade to show that it was a red card, a heart to show it was a diamond, a Jack to show it was a number card, and a 10 to show it was an odd card.....then he pulled out the A, 3, 5, & 9 to show it was the 7. The ONLY way he could have done that under the coat was if the cards were physically altered so he could know what they were by touch. It's the only possible explanation and it would explain how he did every aspect of the trick.....unless he had two decks and one of them was ONLY the 7 of Diamonds 52 times, and the other was those cards in the order he brought them out in. Except at 1:48 you CLEARLY see the 3 of clubs and 4 of spades in the deck he hands Teller so he would have had NO WAY of knowing what card was going to be picked.
When did we see the face of any of the other cards? I don't recall them being shown at all
We didn't.
@@nitedk the very beginning... shuffle for the audience at home, cut for the audience at home... its there, then at 2:30ish you can see a 3rd card when Teller cuts them again.
@@snteevveetns sorry, I misread. Thought the question was if he showed us the face of the cards.
you are such a nice person Jason. Did you fooled me :p ?
Im so glad you said that about allison, I thought I was alone in that feeling! 😂😂
The cards have been modified in some way, let's say small cuts in the edges or glued sand so that he can know exactly what card he is touching without looking, this allowed him to order the cards back to square one thus simply finding the missing card. For this trick, not all the cards were modified which increases difficulty, thats why he had to pull all odd diamonds to then visually determine the missing card.
I like your micro-braille theory. I do think Penn was feeling-figuring it out with the process of elimination. I very much enjoyed your candid explanations. Getting the mind in motion in this way will lead to new ways to expand the art.
He's not feeling anything out. It's an ungimmicked deck. The effect was taken from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss" .
7:51 before i watch the rest, My idea to how it was done would be Pen forced the first card (he didnt show the deck, coulda been a stack of 7 of Dimonds (the majority of them anyway) and switched the deck with another one under the jacked. Then presented it from there... what do you think?
what do you think of my theory @Jason Parker, simple but 95% chance that it would work? Or Do you think pen been thinking of this for a long time and was extremely creative?
Penn didn't actually shuffle or cut the deck in the beginning, and with the two cuts that Teller did, the deck would be pretty close to how it was at the start of the trick. My guess is he sorted the cards into suits if they weren't already, and then worked out which one was one short of a full suit. Proceeded as necessary.
@Ron Maimon if it's a gimmicked deck then yes
ah! two separate deck of cards. The first deck was given to Teller was a force card which all assuming all seven of diamonds. Then, under the coat, Penn hides or ditching the first deck and swaps it with a new second deck which is a sequence card that he memorized.
My exact thought
Dont think so, as we were able to see one of the cards and it wasn’t the 7th of diamonds; therefore there would be a possibility if teller getting the wrong card
I see the four of clubs multiple times and the seven of diamonds appears to be visible in tellers second cut? Hard to tell but it’s a diamond of some kind
There is a disposition with the cards and when teller cut and take a cart cut the bottom part to the top and pen mixing look the top one and make the trick
I think this is pretty easy to figure out. Would be surprised if Teller was actually fooled. If you pre-arrange a deck in order and make a cut, and then make another cut you are only out of order by a couple of cards. So the whole thing of shuffling uder the coat is to seperate the suits which are mostly in order. Then it's only process of elimation which one is missing. The shuffle at the beginning was a fake shuffle
I think Penn did have the cards in order, but I also think he could peek under the jacket and see them.
I have an idea. Penn didn't do a shuffle, and he only asked teller to cut. Meaning he couldve used a stack and all the cat does is circle the decks. If for example every card adjacent to every card was oppossite color (meaning black red black red) he can use the cards around the card to draw information. I am not sure about the specifics and I will try to attempt to create a stack like that, I don't even know if its possible, or it may be but penn used a different method entirely, but It will be a fun experiment for me.
Looked like the deck was cut the same spot both times. The movement under the Coat was for show.
ok Jason, how come your ring goes between the pointer and the middle finger between shows? Sorry, if this has already been asked
1:02 Teller knew it was Penn before Allyson said his name
All the middle cards are 7 of diamonds then under the jacket Penn finds the top marked card which has the order he needs
My Take. At 2.48 - 1.49 one can see the 3 Clubs and 4 Spades. I believe purposely shown to provide strong contrast to the 7D. But 3C is still on bottom of deck after the cut. So I think the deck is all 7D except for those 2 cards. So my question was did he remove those cards before handing the deck to Teller. If so I did not see it. But Penn did spread the deck for Teller in a way that it would be very very unlikely Teller would accidentally pick one of the non 7Ds, but certainly risk there.
When he ask Teller to take off his jacket at 2.41 the deck goes out of camera range, but look at Teller he is not being suckered by taking off his jacket. He is laser focused on the deck of cards. I think at this moment Teller might add some more cards to the deck to be able to show more none 7Ds
AT 2.42 you can see the 4 Spades again when he cuts and notice Teller looking at the 4 Spades at that moment. Teller is bulldog and knows exactly what to be looking at. Anyway the odds of him cutting to the 4S again is very unlikely, so he is manipulating the deck to show specific cards.
The rest of the trick is easy if he know the card was 7D and if Penn did not remove the 3C and 4S, I didn't see him remove them, then I think he had a backup plan. Maybe a stripper deck so he could quickly pull the 3C and 4S and some sorta braille on those 2 cards so he quickly knew which card Penn took. This also might be the reason Penn was 1/2 fooled. He did not know the backup plan for the 3C and 4S.
Penn says it right during the trick, “I’m ROUNDING up our experiences on this show.” And he goes out of his way to emphasize the word rounding.
My dude. Keep this quality content up! Literally feel like I know you... Weird to say. :)
Yeah same. Jason is particularly personable.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 its kinda calming lol.
No it's not weird he really has an amazing personality that you feel comfortable watching there's really no stress one of my go to channels for when I feel miserable and Jason ever makes it to New York I'm definitely buying him a drink
@@unbroken1010 Yeah, his mood is infectious. Or maybe it's... MAGIC! :p
I think you are mostly right. But I don't think there was any tactile identification. As you noted, the cut and shuffle at the beginning were all fake and maintained the order of the deck, then Teller was told to very carefully follow instrustions and only performed cuts to the deck throughout the rest of the trick.
I think the deck was originally configured in a cyclical pattern, one where, no matter where you began in the deck, the cards would always reflect the same pattern. The deck could be cut repeatedly without breaking this pattern, which it was several times throughout the trick. When Teller selected his card, he would have disrupted that pattern by only one card, so the rest of the trick was about Penn finding the place where the pattern was disrupted.
When Penn had his hands under the jacket, I think he was counting through groups of the cards in order to hone in on a specific part of the pattern. That's why in his patter, he was talking so slowly in parts and emphasizing groups of five syllables at a time. He was using his patter to help him keep track of the pattern of the cards in his head as he manipulated them under the jacket.
Then, he literally was discovering the suit and value of Teller's card as he was pulling out each card in the process of elimination. Once he has narrowed it down to an odd-numbered, faceless, diamond card, he then produces all of the remaining cards that fit that description, then deducing that it must be the 7 in Teller's pocket because it was the only one not in the deck.
That's what I think happened. But I dont know enough about cards to theorize what kind of order the cards were in in the beginning. My idea hinges on this concept of a cyclical pattern in the cards that Penn could count his way through to find the missing space from Teller's card, but if such a pattern doesn't exist, then I'm totally wrong. But hey, that's just a theroy....a magic theory!
I feel like pen had a way to feel the cards to know what one is missing
Love your vids!!
i believe that penn actually took the whole "offbalance your guinea pig" thing to the next level, as basically with the first four cards he revealed, he revealed a king and a jack (representing themselves, in unequal values in his typical deference to teller's intellect), in colorwise-unmatching suits (like they typically dress themselves), linked by a 2 that arguably resembles the symbol &, then he revealed the number 10 which is how long the show runs. Which is actually awesome storytelling, as there is a story within the story; it's just not being narrated.
The actual setup is from Second Thoughts by Ramon Rioboo. It's available from Penguin Magic. The trick is called "I Always Miss and I Never Miss"
1) Penn did not shuffle the deck
2) Teller did 2 cut but that would only change the order of the cards at 2 positions. The majority of the cards still in order that Penn knows
3) He rearranged the decks and figured out the order of the cards after Teller got the chosen card and gave back the deck
4) The cards have tactile symbols (little bumps) aka words for people with blindness (you can see these symbols on elevators sometime) - The rest is just to feel and figure out which card is missing (that is why it took Penn a while)