I am astounded you guys are still doing this series during the strike. All this will do is showcase the lack of skill of the referees you’re replacing with Also I like how much the VAR has to baby these refs through the process. “Make the TV signal”, carefully dictating every little thing that they are showing them, etc. nothing against the refs of course, just funny to see
When is enough enough? Youth games pay $50 an hour. High school games refs get over $100 per game, usually a double header. Schools have cut their schedules in half because they can't afford it. People blame the parents or coaches for yelling, but you never see refs throwing them out when they're already allowed to. The real reason is that you have grifters making course requirements higher than full-time, licensed professions and local unions that do things like say you can't ref Wednesday high school games if you can't make their meetings that only happen during church on Sundays. Get the unions out and open access and you'll see what happens.
Weren't MLS referees already being paid the contract they agreed to previously? I'm pretty sure that MLS made a good faith offer during the current negotiations. Honestly? MLS referees complaining about their salary is like listening to teachers complain about theirs. I mean, The salary scale isn't a secret. There's no bait and switch. Why go into a field of work that you know what the salary is, and then complain about the salary?
They are getting paid...the ones on the field working that is. Not the whiny losers who think they are making a statement. Making a statement so that now I know which ones to boo and heckle extra hard at when they actually get back to their real jobs. If you wanted to be paid more, do it in the offseason. Not literally snubbing your nose at a great offer literally on the eve of the new season. That is just shitty negotiation.
I wonder why it was such a busy opening week? Maybe if you paid the referees what they’re asking instead of hiring scabs you wouldn’t need 3x the normal VAR checks and have a red card rescinded in the first week.
The thing is though, MLS fans don’t care and honestly aren’t even really noticing the difference in performance. 2-3x as many VAR reviews as normal, but all the fans see is the call being fixed anyway, so the end result is all that matters. Also, don’t act like red cards were never rescinded with the normal referees, you can’t really hold that against the replacements. But the extremely numerous offside reviews needed because the replacement ARs aren’t as good with offside, that you can call out
@@Not_a_smart_man but those 3-4X as many VAR reviews are just the calls that were reviewable and would strongly indicate that many more non-reviewable decisions were missed (which they were). In the match I watched last weekend it was clear from the referee’s body language that he was out of his depth, and the players and fans suffered as a result.
@@SkamhesOh shut up. As a fan, I just want you whiny asses to get back on the field. You talk so much shit about the current refs, but they are doing an amazing job in the situation the striking refs put them in.
I agree with christina unkle, if your boss is the one who give you a "recommendation" but he is also the one who grades you and give you the next assignments, then thats really not a recommendation anymore
People who accept jobs knowing what the pay scale is and then bitching about it after the fact should get red cards. Referee simps should get red cards too.
@@mikehunt5637Bro if you knew me you would not say i'm a simp for refs lol. Go off though, bootlicker. Workers have the right to bargain for better pay. Scabs undermine others in the working class.
@@danwest3340 'poor match management' is the part I picked up on. It wouldn't be relevant to this show. Yes, the number of VAR interventions was certainly high this week.
I don't support morons who say words like "scab". I'm sorry, all I see are working refs doing an amazing job in the place of some whiny losers who don't get that they look like idiots.
Greg, i’ve been a fan of this show for its transparency since the beginning, but it’s unconscionable that you continue to work with PRO as they hire replacement referees to do high-level matches while the ACTUAL professional referees are striking for fair working conditions. As a referee myself, I want to see a future where referees can ACTUALLY do this field as a full-time job. I want referees to be respected and full trained at the highest level. When this show was first introduced, I thought PRO was working towards that goal. Now, I’m not so sure. PRO, pay your fucking refs!
Do you know where a lot of these former professional referees are coming from? They had to move for work or family but their new state association either ignored their transfer request or demoted them back to the lowest rank even if they met all the requirements to keep their rank. US Soccer policy is you get an automatic transfer, but instead of doing their jobs, the state associations act like unions trying to keep out people that are "taking their jobs." Why wouldn't or shouldn't these referees want to come back?
If you can be replaced by a dj then your job isn't very hard, if you want more money go work somewhere else, if you don't like it, quit and try to work in Europe. MLS called your bluff and are now working just fine with literally random refs from 2nd tier leagues. Refs need to get off their high horse and accept the job.
Oh shut up. They are paying their refs. The ones who are working. The ones on strike look like bufoons who don't know how to no look a gift horse in the mouth. Shut and do your job.
One pay the refs what they need and 2 why don't you show all the reviews and not 4. We all want to see what the is going on. Specially if you don't show our teams.
*shrug* Maybe if the refs on strike weren't being obnoxious losers and acting like they are worth anything were actually doing their jobs, that check probably would have taken 3 minutes instead.
Just because some loser refs can't accept reality and don't understand that they need to just shut up and do their jobs. I support the current refs and Greg here since they are working extra hard and doing an awesome job that shows the ones on strike are just pathetic losers.
Reckless isn't a type of misconduct. It's a descriptor to help define a type misconduct. Misconduct is either careless, reckless or with excessive force 👌
Absolutely wild that PRO has the guts to produce this given the circumstances. Personally, I would not to want to pull back the curtain and show how terribly the scab referees are doing (I mean it’s obvious, but now we’re hearing the com chatter too). Like you can actually hear Greg coaching the ref through the mechanics of an OFR (and also Greg is a VAR now?? does he even have a license??). And you could hear similar reminders their giving. Seriously 15 OFR in one week? PAY👏🏻YOUR 👏🏻REFS👏🏻
You guys sound so pathetic. Like stop talking shit about refs who are working. That's all these strike refs are doing. Talking shit about other refs who are actually out there working and snubbing their noses at a good deal.
Hey Greg, you're doing awesome! I support the refs out there right now on the field. They are working their BUTTS off, while the ones on strike just demean them and snub their noses like the losers they are. This needed to happen during the offseason, but no, these idiots waited till the eve of the season to make a statement? If looks so poor on them. Not the refs working right now, or the League or PRO who are doing double time to make sure the season could start. Hats off to y'all.
Guys, they're not gonna fire all the refs from last year. They're gonna get rid of the union so they can actually fire the bad refs then they're gonna take the best replacements and train them up. It's going to get better if you have a little patience.
@@Skamhes No it wouldn't. The union is illegally bargaining in bad faith by raising their demands every time PRO says no. They also pretended to make an agreement right before the season started then voted against it by 96%. Then look at things like union board member Chris Penso using his separate position as a college referee assignor to blackmail the replacements. PRO has no reason to cave in to their hostage taking and every reason to let them walk away.
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I am astounded you guys are still doing this series during the strike. All this will do is showcase the lack of skill of the referees you’re replacing with
Also I like how much the VAR has to baby these refs through the process. “Make the TV signal”, carefully dictating every little thing that they are showing them, etc. nothing against the refs of course, just funny to see
Wrong
Why is it funny..?! They've literally not done these games with these rules. Good for them getting it right
As a lifelong referee myself...
PAY 👏🏽 YOUR 👏🏽 REFS 👏🏽
When is enough enough? Youth games pay $50 an hour. High school games refs get over $100 per game, usually a double header. Schools have cut their schedules in half because they can't afford it. People blame the parents or coaches for yelling, but you never see refs throwing them out when they're already allowed to. The real reason is that you have grifters making course requirements higher than full-time, licensed professions and local unions that do things like say you can't ref Wednesday high school games if you can't make their meetings that only happen during church on Sundays. Get the unions out and open access and you'll see what happens.
@@Chat562what leagues do you work? 👀
Weren't MLS referees already being paid the contract they agreed to previously? I'm pretty sure that MLS made a good faith offer during the current negotiations. Honestly? MLS referees complaining about their salary is like listening to teachers complain about theirs. I mean, The salary scale isn't a secret. There's no bait and switch. Why go into a field of work that you know what the salary is, and then complain about the salary?
not always - take into consideration the funds for gas money which is probably the n1expense from the job. | @@mikehunt5637
They are getting paid...the ones on the field working that is. Not the whiny losers who think they are making a statement. Making a statement so that now I know which ones to boo and heckle extra hard at when they actually get back to their real jobs. If you wanted to be paid more, do it in the offseason. Not literally snubbing your nose at a great offer literally on the eve of the new season. That is just shitty negotiation.
Why didn’t you review the missed call in the SKC game?
I wonder why it was such a busy opening week? Maybe if you paid the referees what they’re asking instead of hiring scabs you wouldn’t need 3x the normal VAR checks and have a red card rescinded in the first week.
The thing is though, MLS fans don’t care and honestly aren’t even really noticing the difference in performance. 2-3x as many VAR reviews as normal, but all the fans see is the call being fixed anyway, so the end result is all that matters.
Also, don’t act like red cards were never rescinded with the normal referees, you can’t really hold that against the replacements. But the extremely numerous offside reviews needed because the replacement ARs aren’t as good with offside, that you can call out
@@Not_a_smart_man but those 3-4X as many VAR reviews are just the calls that were reviewable and would strongly indicate that many more non-reviewable decisions were missed (which they were).
In the match I watched last weekend it was clear from the referee’s body language that he was out of his depth, and the players and fans suffered as a result.
@@SkamhesOh shut up. As a fan, I just want you whiny asses to get back on the field. You talk so much shit about the current refs, but they are doing an amazing job in the situation the striking refs put them in.
I agree with christina unkle, if your boss is the one who give you a "recommendation" but he is also the one who grades you and give you the next assignments, then thats really not a recommendation anymore
This is the one time I actually disagree with Christina.
Scabs get red cards
People who accept jobs knowing what the pay scale is and then bitching about it after the fact should get red cards. Referee simps should get red cards too.
@@mikehunt5637Bro if you knew me you would not say i'm a simp for refs lol. Go off though, bootlicker.
Workers have the right to bargain for better pay. Scabs undermine others in the working class.
People who say "scabs" get red cards.
Not enough time to cover all the errors your scab refs made, let alone the poor match management… bring back the real refs!
This segment has always been focused looking at calls which went to VAR. It still is. I'm confused what you are looking for here.
@@MrCho14 12 VAR calls, 3x the normal amount. That’s what I mean by not enough time to review all the errors made
@@danwest3340 'poor match management' is the part I picked up on. It wouldn't be relevant to this show. Yes, the number of VAR interventions was certainly high this week.
Your mom is a scab.
Pay the refs
Pay the refs
I don't support scabbing. Pay your refs. I don't want to watch AYSO referees on TV.
I haven't noticed any difference.
I don't support morons who say words like "scab". I'm sorry, all I see are working refs doing an amazing job in the place of some whiny losers who don't get that they look like idiots.
@@mikehunt5637 Found Mark Geiger's son
Pay the refs!
pay the refs!
I think the current refs are doing just fine.
The current refs are being paid. The ones on strike look like whiny asses. Get back on the field and shut up!
@@mikehunt5637 okay bootlicker 👍🏽
Greg, i’ve been a fan of this show for its transparency since the beginning, but it’s unconscionable that you continue to work with PRO as they hire replacement referees to do high-level matches while the ACTUAL professional referees are striking for fair working conditions. As a referee myself, I want to see a future where referees can ACTUALLY do this field as a full-time job. I want referees to be respected and full trained at the highest level. When this show was first introduced, I thought PRO was working towards that goal. Now, I’m not so sure. PRO, pay your fucking refs!
Do you know where a lot of these former professional referees are coming from? They had to move for work or family but their new state association either ignored their transfer request or demoted them back to the lowest rank even if they met all the requirements to keep their rank. US Soccer policy is you get an automatic transfer, but instead of doing their jobs, the state associations act like unions trying to keep out people that are "taking their jobs." Why wouldn't or shouldn't these referees want to come back?
If you can be replaced by a dj then your job isn't very hard, if you want more money go work somewhere else, if you don't like it, quit and try to work in Europe. MLS called your bluff and are now working just fine with literally random refs from 2nd tier leagues. Refs need to get off their high horse and accept the job.
Oh shut up. They are paying their refs. The ones who are working. The ones on strike look like bufoons who don't know how to no look a gift horse in the mouth. Shut and do your job.
@@bigsnacks2350Thank you.
@@bigsnacks2350 okay bootlicker 👍🏽
Pay the Refs!
They are getting paid, well the ones on the field actually working are.
@@TechnicolorMammoth bootlickin in ALL the comments I see. Geiger your uncle?
One pay the refs what they need and 2 why don't you show all the reviews and not 4. We all want to see what the is going on. Specially if you don't show our teams.
You don't get paid what you need. You get paid what you are worth.
would there need to be this much coaching on even the simple things if we compensated the refs appropriately?
Okay but why did the Seattle VAR check take 4 MINUTES at the monitor???
*shrug* Maybe if the refs on strike weren't being obnoxious losers and acting like they are worth anything were actually doing their jobs, that check probably would have taken 3 minutes instead.
SPA inside area with a handball is a mandatory yellow.
Pay the Refs, get the SCABS off the field.
Pay the locked out referees.
Pay the refs
I'm really surprised you're still doing this show during the strike.
Just because some loser refs can't accept reality and don't understand that they need to just shut up and do their jobs. I support the current refs and Greg here since they are working extra hard and doing an awesome job that shows the ones on strike are just pathetic losers.
9:50 misconduct should be reckless, not SPA. Two-footed scissor tackle, punish the more severe offense.
Reckless isn't a type of misconduct. It's a descriptor to help define a type misconduct. Misconduct is either careless, reckless or with excessive force 👌
11:48 I'm surprised a caution wasn't shown. This looks like clear SPA and handling is always penalized fully, including when a penalty is awarded.
Absolutely wild that PRO has the guts to produce this given the circumstances. Personally, I would not to want to pull back the curtain and show how terribly the scab referees are doing (I mean it’s obvious, but now we’re hearing the com chatter too). Like you can actually hear Greg coaching the ref through the mechanics of an OFR (and also Greg is a VAR now?? does he even have a license??). And you could hear similar reminders their giving. Seriously 15 OFR in one week? PAY👏🏻YOUR 👏🏻REFS👏🏻
I haven't really noticed any difference.
You guys sound so pathetic. Like stop talking shit about refs who are working. That's all these strike refs are doing. Talking shit about other refs who are actually out there working and snubbing their noses at a good deal.
Hey Greg, you're doing awesome! I support the refs out there right now on the field. They are working their BUTTS off, while the ones on strike just demean them and snub their noses like the losers they are. This needed to happen during the offseason, but no, these idiots waited till the eve of the season to make a statement? If looks so poor on them. Not the refs working right now, or the League or PRO who are doing double time to make sure the season could start. Hats off to y'all.
Taking away the Esmir penalty was still the wrong call "His toe and body is over the line but they kicked his ankle which wasnt quite there yet"
Guys, they're not gonna fire all the refs from last year. They're gonna get rid of the union so they can actually fire the bad refs then they're gonna take the best replacements and train them up. It's going to get better if you have a little patience.
Uhh that would be illegal.
@@Skamhes No it wouldn't. The union is illegally bargaining in bad faith by raising their demands every time PRO says no. They also pretended to make an agreement right before the season started then voted against it by 96%. Then look at things like union board member Chris Penso using his separate position as a college referee assignor to blackmail the replacements. PRO has no reason to cave in to their hostage taking and every reason to let them walk away.
Yeah this is not only a complete fantasy, but would not help reffing in the US whatsoever.
@@AndersMcA The free market is always better than cronyism and protectionism
Did a PRO executive write this?