Breaking down the biggest calls from MLS is Back
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.พ. 2024
- Andrew Wiebe breaks down the most consequential decisions from Matchdays 1 and 2
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As a ref, I really appreciate this show. Thanks!!
The whole LA and Int Miami game, I'm honestly not sure where the ref was, but some calls are good, some don't meet protocal
Very convenient that the game with the most eyes on it for this weekend was tipped in favor of miami
@@EpicGammingCrewcertainly with that second yellow. Even then, LA had plenty of chances to win that game, none of which had to do with the officiating. Miami just isn’t that great. Even the opening game they were fortunate not to settle for a draw against a basically incomplete RSL. Galaxy should have won that game by a comfortable 2 goals.
There is a ref lockout/labor dispute happening that the video failed to mention. Crazy to think that guys with no pro refereeing experience are on the same field as Messi.
@@mathew1904 Maybe MLS should pay their refs better…you want the best, pay them. Pretty simple. It’s not like there isn’t enough to go around, and the league relies on top-quality refs.
My brain says "he looks offside"
It's also whispering "these are amateur referees who agreed to cross the picket line, they're actually making people want the MLS refs back"
Except VAR was an experienced PRO referee (retired a couple years ago but in management) and it doesn't matter who the on field referees were, this was being reviewed by VAR either way.
@4 Except VAR can't overturn a close bad call, even if they put Alan Kelly on every single match. And the comment was general - refereeing overall this past week was horribly bad.
@@rockinmel1 You referenced Andrew's comment on a specific offside call. I don't believe that call would have been any different with a different crew. It was a close enough offside that it not being called on the field with a different crew is very possible. So that leaves VAR to recommend an on field review. VAR for the game is not unexperienced.
In general, yes, the refereeing was not at a standard anyone would like to see on an on-going basis.
@@MrCho14 Sigh...
Delgado shouldn’t have gotta a red, and Busquets should have gotten a second yellow for diving, could have already had a couple at that point, and then also could have gotten another after
Busquest should have gotten a second red
MLS said nah we need Messi to do something
I can't stand Busquets already
Delgado did not deserve the second yellow
However, Busquets did deserved a second red by fulltime
[Starts video off with Messi goal]
...."we don't show Messi goals here"
In an MLS commanded youtube channel smh
LA-Miami was the worst officiated game. LAFC-Seattle was the second worst. Chicago-Philadelphia was brutal (the ref had no control, so it got very physical). I watched most of the other games, and those were decently officiated. I thought most of the big decisions were correct--except for the calls in the LA-Miami game.
Bring back the old refs, out with the scabs
I was at LAFC-Seattle. Nothing really stood out. They missed the Long foul on Morris but VAR fixed it. If anything, a lot of times the ref wasn’t going for the slight nudges on the back that players were falling over from.
@@kessel12I watched it on TV, and it was noticeably bad. On the plus side, it didn't really favor either team. Give it a rewatch.
@@kessel12 foul on obed not called a yellow, then roldan gets booked?
I'd argue the RSL v Miami game was even worse. That ref looked like a starstruck little boy reffing players he idolized growing up.
Putting aside everything else, I'm still an advocate of being allowed to have VAR review 2nd yellow cards. Delgado highlights this. I'm not big on expanding VAR very much, but this just seems like a no brainer.
considering BOTH yellows create a red situation, I'm in favor of VAR on foul based yellows, too. What if the "2nd" yellow was fine but the 1st yellow was dubious?
@@hengineer That's always the argument, but I'm okay with it only being the 2nd yellow. Someone playing on a yellow, even a potentially badly received yellow, knows where they stand.
2:42 - This is exactly how VAR is meant to make offside decisions. Use the video feed ONLY. If you can't make a decision, if it's not *clear and obvious*, the call on the field should stand. Do NOT use computer generated lines that are drawn arbitrarily (Yes, I'm looking at you, PGMOL).
Nothing from RSL vs Miami 🤔 don't want to criticize your star studded team to much. I guess. The officiating was awful in that game, a disgrace to not cover it here.
They’re trying to not mention the referee lockout by the MLS and PRO because they’re company men.
There were plenty of other games not mentioned either. Inter on on the segment which is the goal of every show. It's already too much.
Why doesn't MLS do a all goals compilation for every week anymore?
They do, it's on Apple TV
If they want more fans, they should
What about the offside call in the San Jose vs Dallas game in the 89th minute
That was the worst offside call I've ever seen
i watched 3.5 matches last weekend, and was actually quite pleased with the referring. it was very solid, to my eyes.
I do have to say that this next wave of officials are MUCH better than the ones from just 10 years ago. They work well with VAR and seem to ask for help more than just letting their egos run their calls.
Vrioni was a red
1st DC goal stands
2 DC goal offside
I was hoping there would have been analysis of the other Union goal ruled out for offside, as well as a couple of penalty appeals for handball
While the refereeing wasn’t as bad as I was expecting it’s unfathomable that a show completely dedicated to refereeing in MLS wouldn’t mention that the typical MLS refs employed by PRO were on strike and that these were effectively scab refs crossing the line of a labor dispute due to a controversial corporate lock out. But what can you expect from the company men in the media department? Weibe, you’ve gone to the dark side and it’s disappointing to see. Ever since apple entered the fray, some objectivity of the broadcasters has been lacking, meaning that as an audience we can no longer trust that we’re receiving the whole story or the real story vs just A story.
The point of this show is to discuss specific refereeing decisions, not referee news stories. Weibe is fantastic and he's sticking to what this show is meant to be about. Also, the refereeing situation has been discussed PLENTY everywhere else, so there's no reason to talk about it here.
So pretty much the Galaxy were the only ones to get screwed over.
I think I speak for most when I say that I'm okay with that.
Esmir shouldve got that Penalty. His foot was on the line and his body was over the line. It shouldn't matter the chop happened on the ankle which barely wasnt on the line. The rest of him was in the box.
Just ignoring the star struck refs in the RSL v Miami? Ruiz yellow card? No foul on Chicho at the top of the box? Only fouls called on Miami were in non dangerous positions. Don't forget the disallowing the quick restart taking away the advantage of RSL on a break.
I absolutely couldn't belive they didn't cover anything from that game, the officiating from that game was a disgrace to the MLS community. We have to expect more from the MLS, and from the MLS media to cover it fairly.
Welcome back guys, missed ya!
Benteke seems off to me--you can judge where the defender is pretty well, and I think the shoulder is past. It is a very tough call to make so ig I'm fine with call on the field, but even overestimating the angle doesn't fix it. Not the same for Gazdag though, that was clearly and obviously offside, should've been called back.
I agree, he was probably off, but there was no clear and obvious view to overturn, unfortunately.
Absolute BS that the PSRA lockout and absurd level of inexperience of these scab refs isn't talked about here. Shame on you MLS.
Seeing laliga this ref is fine👌👌👌
So how was none of the LAFCvSEA game covered here? The DOGSO penalty? The lack of persistent infringement calls? The random corner that the ref gave to LAFC? 16 (called) fouls for LAFC but only two yellows? The game was very inconsistent as to what and wasn't called.
There are a lot of games. Every game has something someone would like to see reviewed. You can't have all of them AND with the current referee lockout the league is being extra careful what they discuss.
@MrCho14 sounds like an excuse to make mediocre content and not be held accountable. If they are being so careful why not just postpone the show until the lockout is over...
@@jacksonwebsterjw They have always been 'careful' of what they discuss. It's just more right now on how they present it. It is odd they've decided to not acknowledge it at all, but MLS is all about trying to control the narrative.
That aside, it still goes back to the first part of my comment. There are many games. They only pick a few plays to talk about. People always complain that certain games aren't covered, but it's usually because they feel they were done wrong or such. Covering PI over an entire game is just boring from a show perspective and there was plenty of other content to this week to not go there.
What exactly would you want highlighted on the DOGSO? That it was correctly called? It was a tough one to get live given the CR was way up field (these refs didn't have to pass the standard fitness test) but it was properly called using VAR.
Gimme your opinion on the Galaxy goal versus Miami. I thought offside
What’s about the penalty New York City versus Charlotte
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Gazdag was less offside than Benteke.. idk what you're seeing. Get your eyes checked homie
So you mention the Cartegena tackle. But ignore the disallowed goal where the guy who scored was onsides but they called offsides on the guy behind him who never touched the ball?
Did he influenced the play?
Red card Cartegena big time and no need to mention the disallowed goal as there was clearly an offside. Sorry mate.
This is great! I do hope a deal is reached to end the strike. Not sure if I like the rent-a-refs
It feels like the ARs couldn't keep their flags down to save their lives.
Side judges in the Crew game were hilariously bad
Good thing 'side judges' have no place in soccer. What exactly are you trying to refer to?
I already can't stand Busquets in the MLS. He should be legit fined for that dive
Scab refs have been all over the place.
Why no DOGSO on the crew pk?
Its in the box and the ref ruled that the defender was trying to play the ball. It's close but with the whole debacle of the VAR confirming no Pen then coming back and telling the ref to go to the monitor to make the pen call, I'm ok with the result. I suspect that the ref wanted to make the call on the field but since the offside flag went up VAR initially didn't want to overrule his call thus confirming the call but I bet he explained that it would have been a pen if it wasn't for the offside. But that's all speculation imo.
@fleisch24 right I agree, but Farsi appears to be going toward goal and while there are 3 defenders around him, none are in a position to actively defend against him. Thus he is in a 1 on 1 position with the goalkeeper. Penalty or no penalty, fouling Farsi should be DOGSO. So I think correct call on Penalty, but the yellow should have been a red
@@tsler610 By law, if DOGSO results in a PK then it is a yellow card UNLESS the referee believes the defender was not playing the ball during the foul. Things like a big pull from behind or such would fall under that category. In this case, there was a PK and the defender was playing the ball so there is no red. The logic behind that is that it was too of a punishment to give a red plus a PK (almost sure thing goal).
I think Benteke's goal is clearly offside. While the Revs defender is obscured by DC's #12, we can then extrapolate that he is no closer to the goal than that attacking player. Thus we can use the DC player as a surrogate. If you compare his position relative to the 6yd box to Benteke's position relative to the 6, it's clear to me that Benteke is closer and thus offside.
Imagine how well these games would've been officiated with referees who aren't on strike. Maybe the MLS and PRO could learn a thing or 2 when paying them
If I’m being really honest I’m not missing the regular PRO referees even tho I support the cause
Dawg you're crazy (lol)
Good thing delgados red card was reversed after the game
You are a joke! How can you say the challenge on the nyrb player is a yellow? Lmao
At minimum, it's not clear and obvious to be able to overturn.
Pay the referees!
Pay the refs and stop handing matches to Inter Messi...
Those are two completely separate issues.
@@MrCho14 Not when Sergio draws a second yellow like that against scab refs.
Why didn’t atlanta get a red card for the foul in farsi? Looks like DOGSO to me.
By law, if DOGSO results in a PK then it is a yellow card UNLESS the referee believes the defender was not playing the ball during the foul. Things like a big pull from behind or such would fall under that category. In this case, there was a PK and the defender was playing the ball so there is no red. The logic behind that is that it was too of a punishment to give a red plus a PK (almost sure thing goal). If that foul had occurred outside the penalty area, it would have been a red and a DFK (not PK.)
@@MrCho14 ok thank you
If the mls can make an entire show out of terrible referee calls that means something
It's MLS First Kick, if anything, MLS is Back was a tournament
That was bad red card to watching MLS best all time!🥅⚽
How about some replay on what the hell took so long on the Mo Farsi penalty and in the Dynamo vs SKC game (where it took 5+ goddamn minutes)
There's no way Davis gets a yellow he's late and high, and honestly, there's not a world he would ever win the ball there. It's not a "clear or obvious" error from the ref. If stroud is a few inches shorter, your wording would have it shown as a red (purley me being a salty red bull fan and disliking var in general). And no var on second yellows is absolutely criminal when situations like the LA game come up
Davis discontinued his challenge after he knew he couldn’t win. He was also already in that position before the player arrived, thus, he tried to get out of the way and had zero malicious intent. Ref called it right.
Wow, first time I 100% agree with Andrew.
No mention that each of these decisions were made by scab refs. I get it, you work for MLS, you've been told not to mention it.
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Thank you so much for covering the miami bullshit they are so projected by mls
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