WHICH IS BETTER? 12V Cummins OR 7.3 PowerStroke!?
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Really love this video. No bias crap whatsoever. We have both. A 7.3 in an F-250 and a 12 valve in a Crew Cab F-250 and we love both. Most of my friends that have the Cummins love the engine but the rest of their truck have fallen apart, so your video is pretty spot on.
Fummins is the way to go
7.3 All the way but much respect for the 12v
The 12 valve engine is hall of fame. The Dodge part of the truck not so much..Proud of yall keep building them all!!!
Have had (5) 7.3’s since 1996...still own 3 of them with over 300,000 miles! Still running great never any major problems and super reliable!!!
Are they still running?
I’d love to put the 12 valve in the ford. That would make a perfect truck.
I have a obs 92 2500 xlt long bed with a first gen 6bt Cummins I’m hooked up to a 5 speed manual zf5.
I'm a ford guy and have owned a 7.3. Loved it. But just because the 12 valve is so damn simple to work on its probably the better motor. But the best truck is the Ford.
Another consideration is finding a good 12v vs a 7.3. Since the 12v cummins are so much easier and cheaper to mod, more of them are going to be used and abused. I found a 1999 7.3 with 240,000 miles and the motor was 100% unmolested. The only real issue was the rocker panels and the cross member support for the bed was pretty rusted, but rocker panels and bed supports are very inexpesive.
Same
Im a powerstroke guy. My dad had a 7.3 growing up, ive driven plenty of 7.3s and 6.7s and now own a 6.0. But I do love the cummins. Its just the truck around the engine that is not up to par in my opinion
Fummins if so inclined
Im a Ford guy, so I’d have to go w a 7.3. My first truck was a 1995 7.3, so I’m a 7.3 guy.
How is the 6.0 goin for you?
I'd definitely take the 7.3l
I just overhauled my obs 7.3 at 1.5 million km..my 12 valve only made it to 600k b4 it was cooked..true story..a 12valve on a good day is gonna be $1500-$2000.a 7.3 powerstroke are $400-$500 on average..International 444 for the win!
My dads been a HD mechanic for over 30 years, always been a dodge Cummins believer until lately he learnt more about the ford 7.3 powerstroke, he would much rather the ford, better truck in general with a really good engine and everything els. Tho would be nice to have a Ford obs with Cummins and Alison trany
I have a 1971 F250 with a Cummins 6bt out of a bus. Less a few minor inconveniences of a 71 truck, I feel like I have the best of both worlds but I love that OBS Ford.
12 valve, sounds better, easier to work on, lasts longer, less stuff going on cheaper to fix, nothing really ever goes wrong, grid headers over glowplugs, the list goes on, 7.3s are great though.
Tho a 7.3 is cheaper to rebuild only costs under 2 grand cad
actually the 7.3 will last longer, no doubt the 12v is reliable tho, I love both
@@lifewaidan7517 actually 12v will
@@lifewaidan7517 lol the 12v will long outlast the 7.3…
Idk if it sounds better and they last about the same the fords are just more complicated
hard for me. I think the overall build of the Ford is way better. I think the 12v is a great motor. I grew up around 7.3s so for me it's really easy to work on even tho they're still ridiculous to work on lol. but I love the 12v I think it pulls better than the 7.3 so honestly I'd love to have both one day 🤣
After following your vids, and listening to my guy preach about diesels as work horses, I’m invested! But I’m a mix, love Fords, Powerstrokes, Dodges and Cummins! Got my entries, hope that OBS gets to go to a good home soon. ❤️
I’d clean up the engine bay a bit on the 7.3, and swap out that intake filter.
You should make a video on what to look for when buying a obs
I think you did a great job being un-biased, like you said it really comes down to personal preference and what you know! I do want to add that the VC gaskets for the 7.3L can be reused unless the wiring in them is shot. This maybe different on an OBS 7.3L like the current give away, then the later SD 7.3L's. Like you said as well, if you keep up with maintenance and don't beat on them. both these engines will outlast the frame and body! Currently have 436,587 miles on my 99 7.3L SD.
What about now? How many miles?
Hopefully I can win the OBS. Have entered so many of these. Just need a diesel
Im a ford guy but any V8 diesel in a passenger truck is a maintenance nightmare. The simplicity of a Straight six wins every time.
12v all the way, I’m 14 ,saved up my money from restoring a tractor to buy my first truck, 1997 dodge 3500 12v. Your videos are very inspiring and happy to say I’m a subscriber of LNP.
I’m 15, saved up and bought a 1997 Ford F-250 7.3 power stroke.
@@tinytproductions6238 15 might be tough to keep her running unless you have rich parents
@@nickfox919 well, I’ve had her all winter, and now all spring, all I’ve done is do a brake job when I got it and so far I haven’t had to fix anything
@@tinytproductions6238 that's good, hopefully the front end is good for ya. Definitely can get spendy to fix a worn out front end on those old 4x4s
Ford hands down. I.love the channel inspite of the 2nd gens.
I LOVE the 7.3 but the 12v takes the cake
For the sake of simplicity i would prefer a 12v over my 7.3 but i love a v8 diesel
PSD, as a previous 7.3 owner I prefer the IDI or a mechanical diesel over the 7.3. BUT for reliability & the $ it takes to fix I’d prefer the 7.3.
The 7.3 u get a better truck, the 5.9 u get a good engine but crappy truck. I’m a V8 guy, but for the truck a 7.3 is easier IMO.
Then again my first truck was a 1995 7.3PSD, so I was fixing my 7.3 when I was 15-16. The 7.3 needs $ if u gotta change injectors.
@@michaelbenoit248 im 17 and working on my powerstroke lol it makes me want an inline 6 so bad
There’s a guy on TikTok who has a 7.3 in a 4th gen dodge but the 7.3 still takes the cake
12 valve all the way any Cummins really is the best
It is...but,the Ford is the better all around truck.I know your head will spin around.understood.
12 valve alright motor, but trans if trash. 7.3 is descent motor, trans is tuff. If the dodge sits in your driveway most of the time, then it’s a good truck
Cool opinion
Lies lies lies
Ford better
Had them both . Got a 24 valve , and a 318 1500 . My 7.3 dually ran fine too. No problems. Even had a 6.9 that ran great .
That 7.3 is beautiful and also the 2nd gen
12 valve in any application
You should go over the interior as well. I hear that the dodge interior on these older trucks are garbage.
I've had my 96 Dodge with a manual 5 speed since 99 it's still a good running truck I had to put a track bar in mine to eliminate the death wobble. And I had to replace the driver's door. And I put a straight pipe on it a few years ago and the fuel was turned up on it which in turn make the clutch slip so I had to have that replaced. The only thing I've done to the engine is get the killer dowel pins issue fixed. And just regular maintenance but this truck pulls all my heavy loads like my bulldozer my back hoe etc. And all my friends that had their 7.3s got rid of theirs years ago and I'm still driving my Dodge. I don't know any details on why they don't have their Fords anymore I just know I'm still driving my Dodge!
As for the ford E40D trans, the stock torque converter tends to be it's weak link. Replace with billet 3 disc.
I have one of each. I like them both. They are both different. The 12 valve has much more power potential as can be cheaper to an extent. The navistar will cost more to get more power. In stock form the navistar pulls as hard as the 12 valve. They both have shortfalls. The Cummins has the dowel pin issue in the timing case. The navistar has the oil cooler issue.it also can have cavitation in the coolant passages of the block. Both are a pain to fix.
Also in later 7.3's (2001.5 I believe they switched), the PMR's instead of Forged Rods. Meaning you can really only push 450hp, before your rods decide to take a trip to the moon. Forged Rods you could push 500-600hp safely.
The cavitation is only the 7.3 idi. Not powerstroke, very different engine
@@conwayfox6233 I'm glad you told that Joe Biden loving gun banning clown off...
The goal is to have both 😂
You should build a excursion 7.3 or 6.0
Do something about Duramax I just wanna hear what you got to say about the 6.6!! But I've had both 7.3 and 12v loved both!!
There is absolutely NO comparison between a 12 valve Cummins and a Powerjoke. Cummins is superior in every way.
until u have to actually use the truck, and not jerk off to it sitting in ur driveway
I grew up with both and i prefer my obs but i like the 12 valve also
my dream truck is a 99-03 7.3l powerstroke full 4dr(supercrew cab)4x4 dually but 12v will always win when itcomes to maintanence 12v is mechanical injection vs 7.3 which is oil/electronic injection 12v is an inline six making it easy to servive valves springs rocker arms etc 7.3 is v8 and multiple things have to come off to service things 7.3 has a better turbo but 12v has better flow and access if you ask my opinion base your purchase on what your skillset is or how big your wallet is if you got the money buy whatever if you have limited mechanichal skills get a 12v
dont forget all 2nd gen dodge dashes and interior plastic are as tough as paper mache vs the fords you can beat with a hammer and they dont break
I want a excursion with a 5.9 and a Allison transmission, that's what I want to build
They both are great 👍🏻 I’d be pleased to have either!
i have never had a injector go out on my 7.3 idi the injection pumps get tired at about 250,000 miles
So youre saying I need to put a low milage 12V into an OBS Ford? Got it!
How about a 7.3 vs 24v cummins? Could add 12v cummins in there too make for a good all around comparison for the time period because they did have 7.3 same time as the later 2nd gens
The 7.3 Powerstroke (in which I love like better, but that is just my opinion) go higher in mileage and are pure power houses (or you can say stronger) and the down side is that they waste more diesel because they are bigger motors 8 cylinders than the 6 cylinders Cumming
While the for 7.e is good I would always chose the 12 value cummins
Are you still planning on doing the glow plugs in the obs thanks for the content
He nailed it! Now go get your ALLYSON 6 speed and put it in both those trucks 😅
Cummins seems to clearly dominate in the competition truck pulls
Both are great but the ford is a better truck so the ford is better in my opinion
I'm a ford guy so I always make the joke that the 12v is so reliable cuz they don't make enough power to hurt themselves but I have much respect for them. Ford truck itself is better than the dodge. better trans. I would prefer a 7.3 because they make better power stock than the 12v and I have more experience with them. everyone loves a 12v for a swap simply because they are mechanical and simple and I don't blame them. both really good engines.
I mean, you're not wrong. The engine was designed for off-road applications, to be used in the crappiest of conditions. It doesn't make crazy power stock, and is insanely heavy for the size. But, that also means you can build the crap out of them and they don't flinch.
Great vid. I have a 7.3. I would get a 12v too in a heartbeat.
I have a very nice 98 ram 2500 12 valve no rust for sale
It would be nice to win the Red 7.3 old school Ford
To compare the engines alone. V8 vs i6 v8 is more power tho i6 is better for low rpm torque.
I6 is inherently balanced better. Typically just make more power. Look at all the iconic engines and almost every single one is an inline 6.
@@chevy6794 i new that
What is the lift height on the 7.3?
7.3 for sure
I love both trucks, but I grew up around 7.3s
Your point is spot on the way you could describe it is Cummins is a poor man's diesel and power stroke is a rich man's diesel but you are exactly right
@@Jay4.9OBSESSION yeah I forgot that lol
Lol rite considering Ford put the 12 valve in some of their super heavy duty trucks that's funny
The best outcome is a fummins. 12v in a ford obs body.
I'm on the market for one of these but am stuck because Id like to have the Ford but with the Cummins. Will the Cummins mate up to a Ford manual transmission? (like ~95 to 2000)
The 12 is always gonna beat Ford's & Chevy diesels because of the size, weight, power, less parts, more reliable time on that engine, etc.. Remember that 12v has been used in shrimp Boats, etc, for many years
Please tell me that you are planning on putting a hitch receiver on that Ford.
Really enjoy your videos Malachi.
Would love to win this truck!
Have a great evening!
I want the obs
They are both so good and I love them both so much I can't decide
7.3 wouldn’t be caught in a Chrysler product
I have always loved nasty red! I keep an eye out on facebook, craigslist, and this channel to make sure I don't miss my chance to win or buy it. I've watched the videos and seen it running around town and I would give my left arm for it.
Perfect combo is to take the 12v and put it in the obs
only good thing about the dodge is the cummins.
Alot of the problems with the rams is that people don't realize the maintenance and upkeep they require. You can't definitely tell when a second gen is taken care of vs when they have been abused. I've seen some really nice well kept 2nd gens gas &diesel and alot of clapped out pos trucks as well.
You can stuff a 12v in just about anything respectfully. Only reason it edges out the 7.3
How many miles on the Ford?
7.3
7.3 truly best
I love how the ford is the show truck but the cummins is the work truck
If you live in the upper midwest and drive your unit year round It dosen't matter what you drive the chemicals and salt they put on the road is a death sentence to any truck
If you dont drive a 2nd gen in the salt they wont rust. My 96 doesnt have a spec of rust anywhere
But is the dash cracked?
@@superstar64 yes it finally cracked last year. I am putting new lmc dash in it when i change the heater core
Pre 98 dashes don’t seem to crack. Not where I am anyways. My 95 still original dash. Oh and heater core is soo easy on those. That’s what I like about the dodge simplicity and ease of working on.
@@chevy6794
Okay, you have a fair point.
Can’t go wrong with either truck though.
Get the “ make money not excuses” back in stock I want one
A 7.3 truck rn is easier to come by than a 12v. A 7.3PSD or a 7.3 idi w the better truck I’d have to go w the Ford.
12,v all day
I was thinking of swapping a 24 valve Cummins into my 96 f250. Do you think that it would fit? And would a 12 valve be better?
12 valve my friend
12 v all the way
The reason people don't do a 7.3 into a Dodge?....why put a great engine into a crap truck?.The 12V goes into a Ford,because its a better all around truck.ill put this awesome 12V in a great truck,thats comfortable and tows better.You Ram/GM fanboys are lucky that Ford didn't do a Cummins in a Ford F-250/350.
You would not even be around.
Agreed😂 a fummins would be awesome!
People don't put a 7.3 into a dodge because they already have a superior platform with the 12 valve
12v in an OBS ford #1
12 valve in that red truck
powerstroke period they run forever and will on dam near anykind of oil and fuel just about and me and buddy did piss off a few dodge guys here in tennessee by put a 7.3 idi diesel in a 49 dodge 1 ton truck because we wanted to build something off the wall and piss off people.thanks
- nick
Overall Ford is the more reliable truck, but Cummins made an absolute masterpiece of a diesel! If only all engines were that reliable and easy to work on.
The 1989 to 1993 dodge cummins trucks are even easier to work on then the second gens.
Your math is bit off on the Cummins for injectors. It’s not 500 bucks. 200 an injector x 6 = 1200 bucks.
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I’m not sure what it is but from my experience I’ve seen way more extremely high mile 7.3s then 12 valves I had a guy come up to me in my 7.3 this week and he told me about his 1 million mile original motor 7.3 and I have had 3 buddies with 400k 7.3s my brothers got 370k on his my friends dad had one with 600k and I’ve just never seen that with their Cummins’s
You must not ever be around a Cummins then. You can take a Cummins truck and abuse it, pull, heavy loads, and not change the oil for 30K miles at a time and they’ll still hit a minimum of 400K miles. I hotshot all over the country and drive nothing but Dodges. How many 7.3 trucks you still see pulling loads coast to coast? I don’t see many at all, if any. You still see people working 2nd gen and 3rd gen Dodges regularly. 7.3 isn’t a bad motor but when it breaks down on the side of the road there’s not a whole lot you can do besides call a tow truck. You could pull the head of a 12V on the side of the road if you wanted to. I’ve tried working with 7.3 trucks. There’s just too many nitpicky, stupid problems with them. Cam sensors that constantly go bad, fuel filter bowls that crack and fill the valley of the motor with diesel fuel causing just a continuous stream of fuel leaking, glow plug issues that once bad enough the truck won’t even crank in 60 degree weather without plugging it in. It’s not worth the headache.
It’s a 50/50 for me
Money no object, i would have a Ford truck, as much as I don't like Ford ( inherited bias ) fact that can't be argues, Ford has a better truck, but there is no argue that nothing will ever beat a 12 valve. It's simple, mechanical, and as a matter of physics, the inline motor can not be beat. So Ford crew long bed truck with a 12 valve and a built NV 5600 and a n NP 205, old gm Dana 60 king pin front, and a Dana 80 rear...
My 97 12valve has zero rust any where.
12 into the obs ford
The only thing the dodge won on isn’t even made by dodge. In my opinion the 2nd gen is a better looking truck though and the Cummins motor makes it what it is. Wouldn’t have an automatic one
The 7.3. I mean come on. That sound.
I have a 1997 f350 7.3
12v all the way
6BT all the way
Wdym the 7.3 is alot easier to do oil changes on than a cummins unless youre talking injectors and top end gaskets
I don't know how a oil change can get any easier than a 12v or 24v but ok!