Personally I'm not a fan of vertical. Though TBH I tend to listen to the content more than watch. So if vertical allows you to put stuff on short media platforms to drive more views, then that will ultimately drive more content. So it's all good either way.
15:12 TECHNICALLY, The Head of the Hydra can be true, AND Horus can still be the first found. Since all the other Primarchs were scattered and considered lost, but Alpharius was still on Terra and basically recovered immediately, he could in theory be considered never lost to begin with.
Not a fan of vertical for full-length vids generally. It's fine for a talking head vlog but action on the screen needs landscape. Mobile users can always rotate display if they want to use the whole screen.
Love the idea of the streams for December, but don't push yourself too hard! Not as big a fan of the vertical camera, but the content is still amazing, so I'm happy to have it either way.
I think we all have to start pretending like Clonegrim is gonna come back until we can OrkMagik it into happening Also Clonegrim being ''doomed to fall'' because Fabius saw a bit of arrogance on his face while he was saying undeniably morally good things is a little insane. Its like a parent seeing his kid laugh at a racist joke once and being like ''yup, post birth abortion for this one'' I think the idea of him having an arrogant streak, but seeing what Fulgrim has become and learning a lesson from it, to then become what he was truly meant to be, quite literally like a Phoenix rising from his ashes... Thats much better, and i think alot of people want that
Sandman, bro i love your content, you are absolutely one of the best warhammer creators on TH-cam. Just wanted to say that i really appreciate you and the time you put in to your work man, thank you.
Wow, having seen the vertical layout on my phone and thought "Yeah this is fine" then seeing it on my computer to continue watching, and it is actually awful.
I mainly just listen to you on my phone while I'm at work and driving around so vertical is fine with me. but yeah maybe on the big Lord Ives keep it traditional style to help with the imagery
An enjoyable listen, mate. Like others - not a huge fan of the vertical but I listened more than watched so it wasn’t a bother. Make of that what you will. December can’t come soon enough!
@MiarmudVon-v5zi mean when a lot of your actions are sabotaging the enemies of mankind and pointing out weakpoints in imperial defenses prior to strikes. Theyre a mixed bag at both best and worst
That's the thing, though: there's one side that the XXth is on, and that is the Emperor's. Not Loyalists (who are complicit in warping his vision of the secular, science-led Imperium, to the religious-fascist hellhole we all know and love), not Chaos (most of which couldn't care less if humanity bit it), but the Emperor himself. With Valdor's and Papa Smurf's conflicting ideas on unscrewing up the Imperium, we might see AL taking sides with either of them in particular cases more than Chaos, as they used to while the Ecclesiarchy and Inquisition were in power. In particular, they (or at least Alpharius himself, if that the teaser in the Bequin series is anything to go by) might be keen on seeing the Star Child come to being, which I think is why they got involved with Bequin to begin with.
Yes, an Alpha Legion that is Chaos aligned and an Omega Legion that is Imperium aligned, but both sides are spies. So the Alpha legion are actually the good guys only PRETENDING to be Chaos to spy on them, while the Omega legion are actually the bad guys only PRETENDING to be loyalist to spy on the Imperium!
I believe Omegon is the one that survived. Alpharius appearing working for the Inquisition suggests how they got back the spear Or maybe is all just a lie
@@SandmanofTerra The problem with it is bad writing. Alpharius fighting Rogal Dorn is way out of character and goes against how he operated during the Great Crusade (how he does things actually all the time). It also makes the Alpha Legion's schtick worthless at that single important time. It also diminishes the Emperor and Malcador's upbringing of Alpharius. But this is still AL, retcons are part of who they are
So, two things: Are we sure Omeegon was also a "traitor" during the Heresy? I thought it strongly implied he wasn't and their legion was having a minor civil war? Also I have a hard time believing that he didn't have an identical spear made for him (Big E would not just say "Share it" like some pauper). And even if so, saying that Alpha legion can't steal a spear back with 10,000 years to spare seems unlikely. Omeegon just materializing behind Roboute saying "hi Brother" in a dark room would be epic.
I think it's pretty clear that the actual Alpharius (the first found primarch, the first found twin) was more loyal leaning. I think in head of hydra it's heavily implied that Omegon doesn't have any meaningful connection with Big E unlike Alpharius. The second found twin seemed more loyal to Horus
Alpharius is cool, Omegon is cool; that's good for HH players. Personally, I would like a model and rules for Solomon Akurra, but that's extremely unlikely
I enjoy your videos. And some people don't like the vertical but I don't care. I listen while I'm working and don't really "watch " the video. But your lore and theories are great. Wish you could make them more often but I understand the time it takes and the effort to make content. Not including normal life going on
I only just started watching. But if you check Alpharius spear it actually has different sides to the blade. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it is just a slight remodel However I think it might be AoS Deepkin or Darkelf stuff.
My theory is that it’s one of that goober Mike Brooks’ Alpha Legion characters using part of the Pale Spear, as one of the Black Library models. Alpharius/Omegon would be cool, too.
The Alpharius primarch book is a true origin story. People that havent read the book and only heard the big punch line take it out of context. That being the "i am alpharius, this is a lie" in the prologue and, "i am alpharius, that was a lie" in the epilogue. People take that as the whole book being a lie, but it was just that they didnt want to spoil both the purpose of the absolutely mad chicanery in the prologue/epilogue and spoil them finding omegon. Its just the writer saying, "this isnt what you think is going on" in the prologue and "in case you havent caught on yet, this is omegon" in the epilogue.
Pretty sure Lorgar and corax are gonna be the next 2 after Fulgrim. Lorgar is supposedly back in real space, and you know Corax is going to come screaming out of the warp to kill him.
With how all the Primarchs are supposed to be spooky and supernatural, I could see the twins being a kind of amorphous warp entity at their core, possessing marines as needed to get their objective done.
Fulgrim vs the Khan would be great. They’ve been waiting for this fight since Ullanor. Phoenix Lord vs Fulgrim would be nice but we know the Eldar aren’t allowed to have a win so we can foresee the outcome of that fight.
When Huron talked about Alpharius's death fighting Dorn he mentions that he read about what really happened, or something like that, and that he doesn't know if the Alpha Legion claiming to be Alpharius is really him. Figured it was odd to add that info on Alpharius if they weren't planting the seeds to bring him back. Personally I would like a Spy vs Spy situation with Alpharius vs Omegon, with one loyal and one traitor.
Vertical is fine, honestly have no preference between vertical & horizontal for this sort of content. I usually watch after the stream, and treat it similarly to a podcast, and so format is mostly irrelevant. Currently listening to this while painting my Custodes army.
If the teaser is indeed for a wielder of the Pale Spear (either Alpharius/Omegon or, more likely, Solomon Akurra getting rules as the first official 40k AL character), it would be awesome if GW came up with rules allowing certain "renegade" forces like the Alpha Legion or Cypher to be fielded in Loyalist armies as "allies of convenience".
re: Alpharius returning GrimDarkLore spurred an interesting idea for this - the "Threefold Serpent" and the myth of the Hydra. Right now there are TWO Primarchs for the Alpha Legion, and we consider them Twins - but what if they aren't twins? What if they're essentially the same person, just split in two? When Heracles slew the Hydra, he had to have the necks cauterized or else two heads grew back in its place. So perhaps in the Gestation Pod, there was only ONE infant - then when the Primarchs were scattered, that Primarch actually died... then because he didn't die "properly", he came back as TWO people. One who was ejected from the Warp on Terra (Alpharius) and one who was scattered (Omegon). As for why Alpharius wasn't introduced as a returned Primarch, it could be because the recovered infant was slightly - but perceptibly (perhaps when the Emperor looked at him, he didn't see a Future he recognized for any of his Primarchs, or perhaps the inherent power in the infant was less than he expected, etc.) - different from the Infant who was in the Incubation chamber and no one knew why, so his survival was kept a secret. Then you would have everything going exactly as the Lore states - including being killed by Dorn. No Alpha Legion Shenanigans, no "But wait! You didn't kill me, you killed my Second Captain Twice Removed Who Had Ingested Two Drops of OMEGON'S Blood That Morning!", straight up Dorn killed our best bald buddy. But Dorn didn't kill him "properly" either, so via (Shenanigans - maybe the Warp storm caused problems, for example), the TWO new "Alpharius"'s eventually manifest after the end of the Heresy. And now we have the Threefold Serpent in truth - Omegon, Alpharis 1 and Alpharius 2. Personally, I'd have it so that neither of the two new Alpharius' were exact copies of him - they got MOST of his memories, and MOST of his skills and abilities, but there was something missing - that the power of One Primarch is being imperfectly shared by Three. (As a group they're stronger than any of the other Primarchs, but individually they're weaker.) And really, what's more Alpha Legion than having THREE sides in a conflict? Maybe Omegon IS the Loyalist, who is supporting the Imperium from the shadows. One of the new Primarchs has completely turned on the Imperium and serves Chaos. And the third Primarch supports neither side, but has their own agenda.
Horizontal is always preferable for long-form. Most often, I’m sure, the video is on tv, or on a phone that someone isn’t fully paying attention to. Rather than holding the phone the whole time, I just set my phone in my pocket or on a table.
I'd love to see the clone fulgrin some how give his body to ferris Manis soul. Then you would have demon lord fulgrin incensed at both Ferris being back AND looking like his perfect version before he fell to chaos. Imagine the rage. A reborn Iron hands legion with a journey of the iorn hands to regain thier humanity.
My Fan Theory is that the " I am Alpharius" line is more than a Legion mantra, I think deep down that Alpharius is a Psychic mind virus made flesh. That those who are in the vicinity of an Alpha Legionnaire who psychically resonates with Alpharius will be infected, and when the time is right will be come another clone. That said, I don't see it as a hive mind as it goes against the Primarch's purpose.
Honestly I would love the eldar to get some love when fulgrim returns maybe that could cause the craft worlders and imperium to ally and be what gets the golden throne repaired
At no point can I imagine Alpharius-Omegon wanting to 'take over Chaos' when they were at a minimum sabotaging the cause of Horus at best. They're spooks!
Could set Omegon as an imperial agent model, maybe deathwatch blackshield if he needs space marines, or inquisition troops? OR I remember a theory a long time back that Omegon was one of the founding grey knights, but I think that got Janus'd?
TH-cam tells me I was in the top 0.2% of your viewers. I really like your content the only videos I have avoided are because I plan to read the book. Hope you have a good day. Hydra Dominatus
Oly pearson (king in yellow), vulkan is architect of the yellow kings domain, Valdor? May be there In old legends Greek? his name is muciber I think translating to Vulkan Muciber was architect of pandamonuum. Alpharius is there perhaps doing blood games with Bequin Death row is Pech Hydra Dominatus
You could argue Horus is still considered first found even if Alpharius is telling the truth, since he was immediately recovered on Terra and intentionally kept secret.
Would be kinda interesting if we end up finding out.. That the reason why Alpharius and Omegon even were a thing... Was because Alpharius died when he was young. or when he was transported through the warp when the pods were sent out. Mutating his soul to be something more than normal. When he dies. A part of his soul is separated.. And becoming a new being.. A new person. But still same person. So at this point. For all we know. Alpharius is alive.. And he is now more than just 1 person.. or 2.. But 3 people.
The vertical was a bit unusual and I couldn’t get used to it so I just zoomed in on the top and it made it look like your regular format 😊 I tested the zoom method on the phone the iPad and the PC and it worked fine on all of them
Sanguinius will be the last loyalist to return. He's the most honorable and respected of his loyalist brothers...and would start off a major plot line [a tiny bit more on that concept later]. Kurze will be the last renegade to return, just so he can say, "See, brothers? I told you so.", and just be a general dick to everyone... might also bring Sevetar out of the shadows. And, if true, might bring the Space Sharks into the fray in Sev's wake (if he's still alive). "Oh! Hello, Tyberos. My, my, but you're a big bastard." Based upon what we know right now, if they were to all come back, I'd say that the order would be: Omegon (just to stir the pot and eventually cause "trouble" for Dorn, Russ, and possibly Corax later on) Jaghatai (some Webway/Drukhari nonsense to pave the way for Fulgrim to come mess things up for the loyalists) Fulgrim (some Slaaneshi/Commorragh shenanigans to disrupt the Khan's goals, amongst other things probably) Dorn (because some BS would go on with Perutabo and there'd need to be a counterbalance to it) Russ (kick off the Emperor's resurrection w/ Valdor... long-term, tangential story line that requires both spears) Corax (because Lorgar will inevitably get his panties in a wad and start some crap somewhere... hopefully that POS Erebus finally dies) Kurze (because he always shows up when you least expect him to...probably save Lorgar's ass from Corax...again.) Vulkan (highly pissed at Kurze, but the future return of Sanguinius and the possibility of a new Great Crusade will somehow force Vulkan to abandon the hunt) Sanguinius (to become the Warmaster and put the the Imperium Secundus team back together - Sang., Bobby, Lion, Dorn - for a new Great Crusade) Horus will stay dead/obliterated. Ferrus will likely stay dead just to be a loyalist counterbalance to dead ol' Lupercal. The 2nd Primarch will stay gone forever, because he's pretty much always been dead and will remain a footnote. Malibron will stay in his rooms deep beneath the Imperial Palace as a mopey/broken conscientious objector. Also to balance out the nameless 2nd Primarch being absent. Magnus, Mortarion, & Angron..... all are just buzzing around the Milky Way being pains in the asses of everyone else and spoiling/upsetting plot lines. Magnus will bug the crap out of Russ (and Valdor). Mortarion will yet again try to get back at Guilliman and caused general chaos all over the place. Angron will face off against the Lion again.... and lose again.... and come back.... again. But then he'll eventually square off with Sanguinius in an Angel Battle Royale. A 2nd Great Crusade would make a shit pot of money for GW, and they could draw it out for an easy 10 to 20 years if they expand the model/enemy lines to include other xenos and re-discovered alien races from 30k and a handful of really nasty things from the Dark Age. I wonder what fresh hells could be stirred up? Revenge of the Men of Iron, anyone? Or, what if the Rangda suddenly came out of nowhere and started wreaking havoc across the stars after seemingly being wiped out for over 10,000 years? All factions would be threatened by a Rangdan return.... the Lion, for one, would crap his pants. That type of event would buy GW a few years of business. At the end of the 2nd Crusade, they could sort of cool things down a for a little while (like they do) then start the End Times thing, and GW could cash out big on that too. After that, it would be a truly galactic game sphere with many new and different factions, armies, specialist squads from xenos races, and possibly wars against the Gods themselves. There's an easy 30+ years of content if GW lays things out correctly, and plays their cards right. Warhammer 40k could hit its 75th anniversary before its proverbial candle burns out.... we're already half way there.
Yeah, honestly the author is just saying shit because you can even tell the twins apart due to the way they talk to others. The twin that Malcador pretty much raised & the one that invented the blood games, talks to people in a cooler, calmer tone. He always stays level headed & is a bit narcissistic. The twin found on the planet later on, is a bit more outspoken & likes to mingle with his other brothers more. He usually isn't as brooding as the OG one. Now, if you read the Dorn VS "Alpharius" fight... anyone who likes the Alpha Legion can tell by how he speaks to Dorn, that this is the twin who was found on the planet later (Omegon). At the end of Head of the Hydra, OG Alpharius is pretending to be Omegon when Horus calls... he then states something to the effect of "The lie is over, I must become what I hid from".. something like that... this is him saying he can no longer flip-flop names because Dorn openly killed one & this twin has to choose to return back to his original name when he accepts the ping from Horus.
Do you think it was the emperor that was responsible for clonegrim getting his true soul? We know Bile kept failing before and after to bring back a primarch, so maybe it was the hand of the emperor that made it possible that one time?
Alpharius return would be interesting, i'm not so sure if he would be a traitor or a loyalist, i think he would be like on his own , even if he still kinda tend to help mankind i'm not sure sure if he will help the imperium, maybe he know the Emperor should not be trusted , The primarch must take their own way , they are his gene sons but they are not him .
Imagine the corresponding loyalist primarch to Fulgrim is Alpharius, because gw releases a loyalist primarch and a traitor almost in the same time. Lion and Angron, Guilliman and Mortarion. Only Magnus is left alone
as an alpha legion enjoyer, the most alpha legion thing ever would be to just release a primaris lieutenant with the pale spear and unique bolter on the sprue, a unique stat sheet that had lone operative, infiltrator, leader and stealth with a ridiculously high melee and shooting accuracy profile and no explanation whatsoever. :D
Nah, writing wise, Alpharious should be kept completely away from a position of warmaster or demonhood or any of that crap. He and his sons don't care for that kind of thing and it's entirely for the better. Everyone else is trying to play chess while they are cooking meth in the corner and moving the pieces around for the lolz. In my opinion the alpha legion are the most interesting renegade/chaos/loyal legion by far right now, because they are 100% just doing their own thing while everyone else is butting heads. Their goals and methods are not as one dimensional as the rest (hur dur! worship demons and be a bad evil guy!) and it's greatly appreciated!
Personally I'd love to see a Daemon Fulgrim get his ass absolutely dusted by A mech'ed out Perturabo in his Armor of damnation style war gear! Emperor's children and Iron warriors got some unfinished business to settle!
No way is the Lion getting defeated in a duel by Fulgrim after what we saw in Arks of Omen. I think that if El Jonson were to die, they'd come up with a different set of circumstances that could justify that. There is a Keeper of Secrets that specifically hunts Bloodthirsters (I think it's called Shelaxi Hellbane or something), but in my headcannon Khornate daemons are the mightiest fighters in the warp. Which is why I believe that having the Lion win a duel against Angron was intended to show that he is among the very best fighters in the entire setting and it's unlikely they'd undermine that achievement so quickly. Also, I think it's on brand for a grimdark universe to see a demigod fall to Chaos, get "elevated" to daemonhood, and then discover that the same flaws which got him there overshadow his newfound powers to the extent he is able to be defeated by someone of sufficient skill who can think clearly. The daemon primarchs are supposed to be all mad in their own way after all, and will respawn until we see one get destroyed by a higher power.
Thats somewhat true, but Pert also defeated Angron once, and hes not even known as one of the strongest fighters amongst the Primarchs, Fulgrim however, is. But yeah no way they would kill the Lion
The switch to me feels much more likely. Alpharius was raised by Malcador so it is assumption he would remain loyal (the hidden shield) and was raised with much more structure. Also, Alpharius was active in the Imperium much longer than Omegon and to me Alpharius believing he can have that talk with Rogal just feels wrong. Omegon, in my mind, might be arrogant to think he can sway Rogal. It just feels more likely to me, from the source given to us in novels, that Dorn killed Omegon not Alpharius.
They should copy the Tomestone duel between Ringo and Doc Holiday. I want Fulgrim to force a fight with Gman. Gman has PTSD about how he got his ass kicked last time, but since he isnt a bitch, he goes to fight anyway. But when the duel is about to go down, the Lion show up outta nowhere, Fulgrim shits his pant leg and gets curb stomped. Gman and the Lion finally get their reunion, the Emperors Children get a giant L and all of right in the Imperium.
I think both Terra loss as well as the "death" to G was part of a broader plan. Assuming the Primarch novel was remotely accurate and hints in the novel, "Omegon" was raised on Terra and had a personal connection to E/Malcador. He also seemed to be leading pro-Imperium element in the legion to subvert the greater leagion. I think he preferred working in the real shadows, unlike the sudoshadows the later legion. So he meets his other half who wants take the legion public on the big scale. He goes along with it. Then Alpharius also decides to turn on the Emperor. Omegon realizes the error. He allows Alpharius to lead the legion to terra with the bukc of the more big legion minded force, which leads to Alpharius death and lose of those traitor minded people. This is similar to the Word Bearers at Calth, Omegon is purging thiis legion of the taint of Alpharius and many of the same mindset. FInally his "death" is the final big purge those that are traitors and/or want to think "big legion" like Alpharius did. With his "death" no one will be looking for him and he can take his remaining loyal and secretive forces back to act like the ghost legion they originally were. Back to serving as a very indepedent agent stricking at the enemies only he can see. Of course there are still traitor Alpha legion forces left over that are going to be a pain for the Imperium, but he can lead another force as well but I doubt he even wants to create another "Alpha Legion".
What if alpharius killed rogal but to the outside it looked like rogal won with alpharius. And alpharius took rogals hand and played his part till rogal was lost and left his hand behind to effectively faking his own death earlier and "loosing rogal" so he could abandon the persona. No better position for such a spy master
"I. Am. OMEGON." Fool...THERE IS ONLY ALPHA- "SILENCE, WARP TAINTED WELP. Your better is speaking to his sons." I wouldn't be surprised if Omegon wasn't so much a twin, but a brand change in case his sons went in a...distasteful direction after his disappearance since he most likely planned out his own death.
Alpharius and Omegon are in reality the primarchs of the 2nd and the 11th legions. Remember how they conveniently revealed themselves just after these primarchs were officially lost. And why would the Emperor make 2 primarchs for one legion? The real mistery is what happened to the primarch of the 20th legion.
Why are we assuming the returning Alpha Legion primarch will be at traitor? Perhaps he’ll be revealed to be a loyalist? Usually GW release a new traitor primarch and a new loyalist primarch around the same time nowadays. If we’re getting Fulgrim perhaps Alpharius surprisingly will be fighting on the side of the Imperium again?
I always thought Abaddon was a douche and never gave him a second look as a character until I was forced to actually deal with him in the Siege of Terra series. After that I had a lot of respect for the character and enjoyed learning about him a lot more. Actually got excited when the story would come back around to him at times. So you're not alone. Saturnine... under the fortress walls when he gets teleported out of the ambush... Oh man did my heart break for him during that scene. That's what actually solidified him as a great villain. Human Abaddon anyways. Still not a fan of The Despoiler.
Hey all, tried a vertical stream for a change to experiment with different types of content. But do let me know your thoughts
Personally I'm not a fan of vertical. Though TBH I tend to listen to the content more than watch. So if vertical allows you to put stuff on short media platforms to drive more views, then that will ultimately drive more content. So it's all good either way.
Didnt love it!
Even on mobile vertical feels kinda wrong🙈
Purge it as Curze purged Nostramo.
No but seriously it feels wrong. especially on a big screen.
Seems oddd.😊
Definitely not a fan of the vertical, although the content is great as always!
Vertical is bad for non-phone viewers.
I think it's just has bad for phone users. It complicates the touch screen navigation.
Even on phone it’s bad bro
tbh its bad for both my yes are not used to the up and down movement on long videos its ok for short videos but ... not for streams .
Awesome comment 😅
Nah it's just shit
15:12 TECHNICALLY, The Head of the Hydra can be true, AND Horus can still be the first found. Since all the other Primarchs were scattered and considered lost, but Alpharius was still on Terra and basically recovered immediately, he could in theory be considered never lost to begin with.
True! That's a good way of looking at it
@@SandmanofTerra im still not conviced that the Alpha legion had a primarch at all.
@nox5555 that's what THEY WANT you to think! 😅
Can't be found if you were never lost in the first place.
Horus: The First Found Son. Alpharius: The Neverlost
Not a fan of vertical for full-length vids generally. It's fine for a talking head vlog but action on the screen needs landscape. Mobile users can always rotate display if they want to use the whole screen.
I prefer rotating when on mobile anyway
Love the idea of the streams for December, but don't push yourself too hard! Not as big a fan of the vertical camera, but the content is still amazing, so I'm happy to have it either way.
I think we all have to start pretending like Clonegrim is gonna come back until we can OrkMagik it into happening
Also Clonegrim being ''doomed to fall'' because Fabius saw a bit of arrogance on his face while he was saying undeniably morally good things is a little insane. Its like a parent seeing his kid laugh at a racist joke once and being like ''yup, post birth abortion for this one''
I think the idea of him having an arrogant streak, but seeing what Fulgrim has become and learning a lesson from it, to then become what he was truly meant to be, quite literally like a Phoenix rising from his ashes... Thats much better, and i think alot of people want that
I'd sell my unborn sons for this plotline
Get so happy when I see a new sandman of terra vid to watch. Thanks much man.
Sandman, bro i love your content, you are absolutely one of the best warhammer creators on TH-cam. Just wanted to say that i really appreciate you and the time you put in to your work man, thank you.
Thanks man, that means a lot
Wow, having seen the vertical layout on my phone and thought "Yeah this is fine" then seeing it on my computer to continue watching, and it is actually awful.
I mainly just listen to you on my phone while I'm at work and driving around so vertical is fine with me. but yeah maybe on the big Lord Ives keep it traditional style to help with the imagery
An enjoyable listen, mate. Like others - not a huge fan of the vertical but I listened more than watched so it wasn’t a bother. Make of that what you will. December can’t come soon enough!
For me, it kinda looks like we will get an Alpha Legion that is Chaos aligned and an Omega Legion that is Imperium aligned.
@MiarmudVon-v5zi mean when a lot of your actions are sabotaging the enemies of mankind and pointing out weakpoints in imperial defenses prior to strikes. Theyre a mixed bag at both best and worst
@MiarmudVon-v5z The lion be like (and Vulkan too)
That's the thing, though: there's one side that the XXth is on, and that is the Emperor's. Not Loyalists (who are complicit in warping his vision of the secular, science-led Imperium, to the religious-fascist hellhole we all know and love), not Chaos (most of which couldn't care less if humanity bit it), but the Emperor himself. With Valdor's and Papa Smurf's conflicting ideas on unscrewing up the Imperium, we might see AL taking sides with either of them in particular cases more than Chaos, as they used to while the Ecclesiarchy and Inquisition were in power. In particular, they (or at least Alpharius himself, if that the teaser in the Bequin series is anything to go by) might be keen on seeing the Star Child come to being, which I think is why they got involved with Bequin to begin with.
Yes, an Alpha Legion that is Chaos aligned and an Omega Legion that is Imperium aligned, but both sides are spies. So the Alpha legion are actually the good guys only PRETENDING to be Chaos to spy on them, while the Omega legion are actually the bad guys only PRETENDING to be loyalist to spy on the Imperium!
@@hyko8355 RIP English Language.
The Serpent beneath. Why no one ever brings this amazing book up on Omegon.
Fulgrim and Alpharuis vs the Lion and Guilliman and maybe Clonegrim?
I kinda feel like it"s just a Solomon fig, and everyone is hyping themselves too much.
I believe Omegon is the one that survived.
Alpharius appearing working for the Inquisition suggests how they got back the spear
Or maybe is all just a lie
Yeah, officially its omegon
@@SandmanofTerra The problem with it is bad writing. Alpharius fighting Rogal Dorn is way out of character and goes against how he operated during the Great Crusade (how he does things actually all the time). It also makes the Alpha Legion's schtick worthless at that single important time. It also diminishes the Emperor and Malcador's upbringing of Alpharius. But this is still AL, retcons are part of who they are
So, two things: Are we sure Omeegon was also a "traitor" during the Heresy? I thought it strongly implied he wasn't and their legion was having a minor civil war? Also I have a hard time believing that he didn't have an identical spear made for him (Big E would not just say "Share it" like some pauper). And even if so, saying that Alpha legion can't steal a spear back with 10,000 years to spare seems unlikely. Omeegon just materializing behind Roboute saying "hi Brother" in a dark room would be epic.
I think it's pretty clear that the actual Alpharius (the first found primarch, the first found twin) was more loyal leaning.
I think in head of hydra it's heavily implied that Omegon doesn't have any meaningful connection with Big E unlike Alpharius. The second found twin seemed more loyal to Horus
Recent lore had them both loyal but not trusting each other
Alpharius is cool, Omegon is cool; that's good for HH players. Personally, I would like a model and rules for Solomon Akurra, but that's extremely unlikely
I enjoy your videos. And some people don't like the vertical but I don't care. I listen while I'm working and don't really "watch " the video. But your lore and theories are great. Wish you could make them more often but I understand the time it takes and the effort to make content. Not including normal life going on
I only just started watching. But if you check Alpharius spear it actually has different sides to the blade. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it is just a slight remodel
However I think it might be AoS Deepkin or Darkelf stuff.
My theory is that it’s one of that goober Mike Brooks’ Alpha Legion characters using part of the Pale Spear, as one of the Black Library models. Alpharius/Omegon would be cool, too.
Guilliman AND the lion vs fulgrim
Awesome sandman, as always
December is about to be blessed as heck
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"By our powers combined, we are one sneaky git!"
The Alpharius primarch book is a true origin story. People that havent read the book and only heard the big punch line take it out of context. That being the "i am alpharius, this is a lie" in the prologue and, "i am alpharius, that was a lie" in the epilogue. People take that as the whole book being a lie, but it was just that they didnt want to spoil both the purpose of the absolutely mad chicanery in the prologue/epilogue and spoil them finding omegon. Its just the writer saying, "this isnt what you think is going on" in the prologue and "in case you havent caught on yet, this is omegon" in the epilogue.
Pretty sure Lorgar and corax are gonna be the next 2 after Fulgrim. Lorgar is supposedly back in real space, and you know Corax is going to come screaming out of the warp to kill him.
One soul in two bodies? Sounds like a potential blueprint for the emperor and the starchild to me
With how all the Primarchs are supposed to be spooky and supernatural, I could see the twins being a kind of amorphous warp entity at their core, possessing marines as needed to get their objective done.
Fulgrim vs the Khan would be glorious!!
Fulgrim vs the Khan would be great. They’ve been waiting for this fight since Ullanor.
Phoenix Lord vs Fulgrim would be nice but we know the Eldar aren’t allowed to have a win so we can foresee the outcome of that fight.
When Huron talked about Alpharius's death fighting Dorn he mentions that he read about what really happened, or something like that, and that he doesn't know if the Alpha Legion claiming to be Alpharius is really him.
Figured it was odd to add that info on Alpharius if they weren't planting the seeds to bring him back. Personally I would like a Spy vs Spy situation with Alpharius vs Omegon, with one loyal and one traitor.
Vertical is fine, honestly have no preference between vertical & horizontal for this sort of content.
I usually watch after the stream, and treat it similarly to a podcast, and so format is mostly irrelevant.
Currently listening to this while painting my Custodes army.
I will say the amount of mysterious large space Marines that aren't quite primarch size is suspicious
If the teaser is indeed for a wielder of the Pale Spear (either Alpharius/Omegon or, more likely, Solomon Akurra getting rules as the first official 40k AL character), it would be awesome if GW came up with rules allowing certain "renegade" forces like the Alpha Legion or Cypher to be fielded in Loyalist armies as "allies of convenience".
re: Alpharius returning
GrimDarkLore spurred an interesting idea for this - the "Threefold Serpent" and the myth of the Hydra. Right now there are TWO Primarchs for the Alpha Legion, and we consider them Twins - but what if they aren't twins? What if they're essentially the same person, just split in two? When Heracles slew the Hydra, he had to have the necks cauterized or else two heads grew back in its place. So perhaps in the Gestation Pod, there was only ONE infant - then when the Primarchs were scattered, that Primarch actually died... then because he didn't die "properly", he came back as TWO people. One who was ejected from the Warp on Terra (Alpharius) and one who was scattered (Omegon). As for why Alpharius wasn't introduced as a returned Primarch, it could be because the recovered infant was slightly - but perceptibly (perhaps when the Emperor looked at him, he didn't see a Future he recognized for any of his Primarchs, or perhaps the inherent power in the infant was less than he expected, etc.) - different from the Infant who was in the Incubation chamber and no one knew why, so his survival was kept a secret.
Then you would have everything going exactly as the Lore states - including being killed by Dorn. No Alpha Legion Shenanigans, no "But wait! You didn't kill me, you killed my Second Captain Twice Removed Who Had Ingested Two Drops of OMEGON'S Blood That Morning!", straight up Dorn killed our best bald buddy. But Dorn didn't kill him "properly" either, so via (Shenanigans - maybe the Warp storm caused problems, for example), the TWO new "Alpharius"'s eventually manifest after the end of the Heresy. And now we have the Threefold Serpent in truth - Omegon, Alpharis 1 and Alpharius 2. Personally, I'd have it so that neither of the two new Alpharius' were exact copies of him - they got MOST of his memories, and MOST of his skills and abilities, but there was something missing - that the power of One Primarch is being imperfectly shared by Three. (As a group they're stronger than any of the other Primarchs, but individually they're weaker.)
And really, what's more Alpha Legion than having THREE sides in a conflict? Maybe Omegon IS the Loyalist, who is supporting the Imperium from the shadows. One of the new Primarchs has completely turned on the Imperium and serves Chaos. And the third Primarch supports neither side, but has their own agenda.
Horizontal is always preferable for long-form. Most often, I’m sure, the video is on tv, or on a phone that someone isn’t fully paying attention to. Rather than holding the phone the whole time, I just set my phone in my pocket or on a table.
I'd love to see the clone fulgrin some how give his body to ferris Manis soul. Then you would have demon lord fulgrin incensed at both Ferris being back AND looking like his perfect version before he fell to chaos. Imagine the rage. A reborn Iron hands legion with a journey of the iorn hands to regain thier humanity.
My Fan Theory is that the " I am Alpharius" line is more than a Legion mantra, I think deep down that Alpharius is a Psychic mind virus made flesh. That those who are in the vicinity of an Alpha Legionnaire who psychically resonates with Alpharius will be infected, and when the time is right will be come another clone. That said, I don't see it as a hive mind as it goes against the Primarch's purpose.
The reveal is all the Emperors Children were Alpharius all along.
I'm ready to see Alpharius return, but he's now 3 feet taller because he "absorbed" his twin. 😂
Honestly I would love the eldar to get some love when fulgrim returns maybe that could cause the craft worlders and imperium to ally and be what gets the golden throne repaired
Donkey Kong December!
God I hope Alpharius/Omegon comes back
I meeeean technically Alpharius was never scattered/lost, so Horus could still be first found.
At no point can I imagine Alpharius-Omegon wanting to 'take over Chaos' when they were at a minimum sabotaging the cause of Horus at best. They're spooks!
Could set Omegon as an imperial agent model, maybe deathwatch blackshield if he needs space marines, or inquisition troops?
OR
I remember a theory a long time back that Omegon was one of the founding grey knights, but I think that got Janus'd?
Alpharius has the enigmatic planning of the emperor
TH-cam tells me I was in the top 0.2% of your viewers. I really like your content the only videos I have avoided are because I plan to read the book. Hope you have a good day. Hydra Dominatus
I can see Fulgrim fighting Trazyn to get hold of Clonegrim to reunite his soul
Would be really funny if this was for a drukhari model, it's far from identical to the HH model and Wyches have similar weapons in their current kit.
I'm going to assume the vertical layout is intended to be an indirect mockery of the Leagues of Votann so I am forced to greatly approve of it. ;)
Oly pearson (king in yellow), vulkan is architect of the yellow kings domain, Valdor? May be there
In old legends Greek? his name is muciber I think translating to Vulkan
Muciber was architect of pandamonuum.
Alpharius is there perhaps doing blood games with Bequin
Death row is Pech
Hydra Dominatus
You could argue Horus is still considered first found even if Alpharius is telling the truth, since he was immediately recovered on Terra and intentionally kept secret.
Would be kinda interesting if we end up finding out.. That the reason why Alpharius and Omegon even were a thing... Was because Alpharius died when he was young. or when he was transported through the warp when the pods were sent out. Mutating his soul to be something more than normal. When he dies. A part of his soul is separated.. And becoming a new being.. A new person. But still same person. So at this point. For all we know. Alpharius is alive.. And he is now more than just 1 person.. or 2.. But 3 people.
Do you think if Dorn comes back and he reattached his skeletal hand it would heal like new because of his Primarch physiotherapy?
The vertical was a bit unusual and I couldn’t get used to it so I just zoomed in on the top and it made it look like your regular format 😊
I tested the zoom method on the phone the iPad and the PC and it worked fine on all of them
Sanguinius will be the last loyalist to return. He's the most honorable and respected of his loyalist brothers...and would start off a major plot line [a tiny bit more on that concept later].
Kurze will be the last renegade to return, just so he can say, "See, brothers? I told you so.", and just be a general dick to everyone... might also bring Sevetar out of the shadows. And, if true, might bring the Space Sharks into the fray in Sev's wake (if he's still alive). "Oh! Hello, Tyberos. My, my, but you're a big bastard."
Based upon what we know right now, if they were to all come back, I'd say that the order would be:
Omegon (just to stir the pot and eventually cause "trouble" for Dorn, Russ, and possibly Corax later on)
Jaghatai (some Webway/Drukhari nonsense to pave the way for Fulgrim to come mess things up for the loyalists)
Fulgrim (some Slaaneshi/Commorragh shenanigans to disrupt the Khan's goals, amongst other things probably)
Dorn (because some BS would go on with Perutabo and there'd need to be a counterbalance to it)
Russ (kick off the Emperor's resurrection w/ Valdor... long-term, tangential story line that requires both spears)
Corax (because Lorgar will inevitably get his panties in a wad and start some crap somewhere... hopefully that POS Erebus finally dies)
Kurze (because he always shows up when you least expect him to...probably save Lorgar's ass from Corax...again.)
Vulkan (highly pissed at Kurze, but the future return of Sanguinius and the possibility of a new Great Crusade will somehow force Vulkan to abandon the hunt)
Sanguinius (to become the Warmaster and put the the Imperium Secundus team back together - Sang., Bobby, Lion, Dorn - for a new Great Crusade)
Horus will stay dead/obliterated.
Ferrus will likely stay dead just to be a loyalist counterbalance to dead ol' Lupercal.
The 2nd Primarch will stay gone forever, because he's pretty much always been dead and will remain a footnote.
Malibron will stay in his rooms deep beneath the Imperial Palace as a mopey/broken conscientious objector. Also to balance out the nameless 2nd Primarch being absent.
Magnus, Mortarion, & Angron..... all are just buzzing around the Milky Way being pains in the asses of everyone else and spoiling/upsetting plot lines.
Magnus will bug the crap out of Russ (and Valdor).
Mortarion will yet again try to get back at Guilliman and caused general chaos all over the place.
Angron will face off against the Lion again.... and lose again.... and come back.... again. But then he'll eventually square off with Sanguinius in an Angel Battle Royale.
A 2nd Great Crusade would make a shit pot of money for GW, and they could draw it out for an easy 10 to 20 years if they expand the model/enemy lines to include other xenos and re-discovered alien races from 30k and a handful of really nasty things from the Dark Age. I wonder what fresh hells could be stirred up?
Revenge of the Men of Iron, anyone?
Or, what if the Rangda suddenly came out of nowhere and started wreaking havoc across the stars after seemingly being wiped out for over 10,000 years?
All factions would be threatened by a Rangdan return.... the Lion, for one, would crap his pants. That type of event would buy GW a few years of business.
At the end of the 2nd Crusade, they could sort of cool things down a for a little while (like they do) then start the End Times thing, and GW could cash out big on that too.
After that, it would be a truly galactic game sphere with many new and different factions, armies, specialist squads from xenos races, and possibly wars against the Gods themselves.
There's an easy 30+ years of content if GW lays things out correctly, and plays their cards right.
Warhammer 40k could hit its 75th anniversary before its proverbial candle burns out.... we're already half way there.
I've read much around the topic but not of the topic. With my limited knowledge, Cypher fits nicely as Alpharius. Is this possible?
Give Craftworlds some love and have Fulgrim rematch Eldrad Ulthran.
Let the Eldar have a reckoning with the chosen of Slaanesh.
I wouldn't say Dorn kills Alpharius with the spear. Maybe the chopchop of the hands and decapitation with an uberhuge chainsword did the trick ^^
Alpharius and Omegon switched, so Alpharius is still alive, atleast to me. And I can't wait for his return!
Yeah, honestly the author is just saying shit because you can even tell the twins apart due to the way they talk to others. The twin that Malcador pretty much raised & the one that invented the blood games, talks to people in a cooler, calmer tone. He always stays level headed & is a bit narcissistic. The twin found on the planet later on, is a bit more outspoken & likes to mingle with his other brothers more. He usually isn't as brooding as the OG one. Now, if you read the Dorn VS "Alpharius" fight... anyone who likes the Alpha Legion can tell by how he speaks to Dorn, that this is the twin who was found on the planet later (Omegon). At the end of Head of the Hydra, OG Alpharius is pretending to be Omegon when Horus calls... he then states something to the effect of "The lie is over, I must become what I hid from".. something like that... this is him saying he can no longer flip-flop names because Dorn openly killed one & this twin has to choose to return back to his original name when he accepts the ping from Horus.
Getting the spear from the Inquisition prob isn't a big problem for the alpha legion, as they've more than likely infiltrated it long ago.
when there is a primarch death there is an explosion of light
How do the Nightlords have depth? They're just a bunch of psychotic killers, or have I missed something really big about them in the lore?
Didn't they confirm Alpharius was dead in the End and the Death part 2, when Ferrus Manus' ghost spoke to Sanguinius?
Curze could have seen Dorn die, but he might die in like the year M50 or something!
The vertical with gameplay at the bottom is awful. You however are amazing and I’ll watch regardless
Do you think it was the emperor that was responsible for clonegrim getting his true soul?
We know Bile kept failing before and after to bring back a primarch, so maybe it was the hand of the emperor that made it possible that one time?
Alpharius return would be interesting, i'm not so sure if he would be a traitor or a loyalist, i think he would be like on his own , even if he still kinda tend to help mankind i'm not sure sure if he will help the imperium, maybe he know the Emperor should not be trusted , The primarch must take their own way , they are his gene sons but they are not him .
He's like a young Valrak 😮
I feel like the most likely fit in for this is an alpha legion kill team
Imagine the corresponding loyalist primarch to Fulgrim is Alpharius, because gw releases a loyalist primarch and a traitor almost in the same time. Lion and Angron, Guilliman and Mortarion. Only Magnus is left alone
as an alpha legion enjoyer, the most alpha legion thing ever would be to just release a primaris lieutenant with the pale spear and unique bolter on the sprue, a unique stat sheet that had lone operative, infiltrator, leader and stealth with a ridiculously high melee and shooting accuracy profile and no explanation whatsoever. :D
could it be a New Dorn model with the pale spear for 30k before he hands to inqusition
I watch on the phone so vertical is fine for me personally
got my like and comment for the reminder to look for cults.
Nah, writing wise, Alpharious should be kept completely away from a position of warmaster or demonhood or any of that crap. He and his sons don't care for that kind of thing and it's entirely for the better. Everyone else is trying to play chess while they are cooking meth in the corner and moving the pieces around for the lolz.
In my opinion the alpha legion are the most interesting renegade/chaos/loyal legion by far right now, because they are 100% just doing their own thing while everyone else is butting heads. Their goals and methods are not as one dimensional as the rest (hur dur! worship demons and be a bad evil guy!) and it's greatly appreciated!
Not a fan of the vertical. Rest of the content is great!
What if they gave us 2 Fulgrims in the codex, the Deamon and the Clone, the good and the evil, I think it would make a good twist.
The clone would be in a imperium codex
Personally I'd love to see a Daemon Fulgrim get his ass absolutely dusted by A mech'ed out Perturabo in his Armor of damnation style war gear! Emperor's children and Iron warriors got some unfinished business to settle!
No way is the Lion getting defeated in a duel by Fulgrim after what we saw in Arks of Omen. I think that if El Jonson were to die, they'd come up with a different set of circumstances that could justify that. There is a Keeper of Secrets that specifically hunts Bloodthirsters (I think it's called Shelaxi Hellbane or something), but in my headcannon Khornate daemons are the mightiest fighters in the warp. Which is why I believe that having the Lion win a duel against Angron was intended to show that he is among the very best fighters in the entire setting and it's unlikely they'd undermine that achievement so quickly. Also, I think it's on brand for a grimdark universe to see a demigod fall to Chaos, get "elevated" to daemonhood, and then discover that the same flaws which got him there overshadow his newfound powers to the extent he is able to be defeated by someone of sufficient skill who can think clearly. The daemon primarchs are supposed to be all mad in their own way after all, and will respawn until we see one get destroyed by a higher power.
Thats somewhat true, but Pert also defeated Angron once, and hes not even known as one of the strongest fighters amongst the Primarchs, Fulgrim however, is.
But yeah no way they would kill the Lion
The switch to me feels much more likely. Alpharius was raised by Malcador so it is assumption he would remain loyal (the hidden shield) and was raised with much more structure. Also, Alpharius was active in the Imperium much longer than Omegon and to me Alpharius believing he can have that talk with Rogal just feels wrong. Omegon, in my mind, might be arrogant to think he can sway Rogal. It just feels more likely to me, from the source given to us in novels, that Dorn killed Omegon not Alpharius.
They should copy the Tomestone duel between Ringo and Doc Holiday. I want Fulgrim to force a fight with Gman. Gman has PTSD about how he got his ass kicked last time, but since he isnt a bitch, he goes to fight anyway. But when the duel is about to go down, the Lion show up outta nowhere, Fulgrim shits his pant leg and gets curb stomped. Gman and the Lion finally get their reunion, the Emperors Children get a giant L and all of right in the Imperium.
I think both Terra loss as well as the "death" to G was part of a broader plan. Assuming the Primarch novel was remotely accurate and hints in the novel, "Omegon" was raised on Terra and had a personal connection to E/Malcador. He also seemed to be leading pro-Imperium element in the legion to subvert the greater leagion. I think he preferred working in the real shadows, unlike the sudoshadows the later legion. So he meets his other half who wants take the legion public on the big scale. He goes along with it. Then Alpharius also decides to turn on the Emperor. Omegon realizes the error. He allows Alpharius to lead the legion to terra with the bukc of the more big legion minded force, which leads to Alpharius death and lose of those traitor minded people. This is similar to the Word Bearers at Calth, Omegon is purging thiis legion of the taint of Alpharius and many of the same mindset. FInally his "death" is the final big purge those that are traitors and/or want to think "big legion" like Alpharius did. With his "death" no one will be looking for him and he can take his remaining loyal and secretive forces back to act like the ghost legion they originally were. Back to serving as a very indepedent agent stricking at the enemies only he can see. Of course there are still traitor Alpha legion forces left over that are going to be a pain for the Imperium, but he can lead another force as well but I doubt he even wants to create another "Alpha Legion".
Fire stream!
Fulgrim v trazin, he wants his clone back.
What if its dorn coming back and dorn is using the spear?
Omegon was Alpharius the whole time. They explained it through Diegesis so it isn't up for interpretation. Dorn killed Omegon, Alpharius lives.
What if alpharius killed rogal but to the outside it looked like rogal won with alpharius. And alpharius took rogals hand and played his part till rogal was lost and left his hand behind to effectively faking his own death earlier and "loosing rogal" so he could abandon the persona. No better position for such a spy master
could be a harrow master for hh but could be interesting
I am Alpharius and I can confirm I'm back.
Not a fan of vertical but I understand that you have to feed the algorithm
"I. Am. OMEGON."
Fool...THERE IS ONLY ALPHA-
"SILENCE, WARP TAINTED WELP. Your better is speaking to his sons."
I wouldn't be surprised if Omegon wasn't so much a twin, but a brand change in case his sons went in a...distasteful direction after his disappearance since he most likely planned out his own death.
No complaints about the change whatsoever 👌
This is a great topic!
Alpharius and Omegon are in reality the primarchs of the 2nd and the 11th legions. Remember how they conveniently revealed themselves just after these primarchs were officially lost. And why would the Emperor make 2 primarchs for one legion? The real mistery is what happened to the primarch of the 20th legion.
Why are we assuming the returning Alpha Legion primarch will be at traitor? Perhaps he’ll be revealed to be a loyalist? Usually GW release a new traitor primarch and a new loyalist primarch around the same time nowadays. If we’re getting Fulgrim perhaps Alpharius surprisingly will be fighting on the side of the Imperium again?
I mean he could be, and there is a story suggesting omegon may be loyal, but the actions of the alpha legion in the scouring don't suggest this
I always thought Abaddon was a douche and never gave him a second look as a character until I was forced to actually deal with him in the Siege of Terra series. After that I had a lot of respect for the character and enjoyed learning about him a lot more. Actually got excited when the story would come back around to him at times. So you're not alone. Saturnine... under the fortress walls when he gets teleported out of the ambush... Oh man did my heart break for him during that scene. That's what actually solidified him as a great villain. Human Abaddon anyways. Still not a fan of The Despoiler.
Vulkan will return because the Throne is failing and at the end of the heresy Vulkan really hated the Emperors children
The false primach next please