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26:09 if, he was damaged and either became vashtor unlikely or better yet he is with him he is a fusion of all the demon engines with his soul bound do it keeping him alive with gifts and parts from all the gods with or without them wanting it, but vashtor decided to do it, so it's not his perfect body hut it's vastors attempt to create his engines in to a demon prince. Like the forced ascension idea but he could save himself but vashtor did / could. 😅
I love the idea that Perturabo only *appears* to be a Daemon Prince, because hes so huge, horrific and powerful- that hes more like an archaeotech-super dreadnought that burns greater daemons for fuel to shore up his waning,wounded soul,hence the ability to use nurglite abilities,for instance. Perhaps the Iron Cage was used to barter this tech from Vashtorr, and that hes got a close connection with the dark mechanicum. Maybe Kelbor-Hal even lives on Medrengard, the Savage Morticians are dark magi that are already known to reside there. It would be a neat opportunity for there to be a unique traitor primarch who gets to have a consistent characterization from start to finish- Perturabo becoming a true daemon prince just doesnt sit right with a lot of fans,this would allow him to have a cool spotlight inspite of his neglect both in lore and in real life.
It’d be cool if it he turns against the traitors whilst also not joining the Imperium Having a traitor Legion that isn’t chaos but is just out to make their own Imperium would be a cool twist, although I bet that’s their plans for the Alpha Legion
I've always head cannoned that Perterabu is a deamon prince of nobody. He studied the process of becoming a deamon, and he essentially recreated it to become a sort of deamon without alaegance to the chaos gods. More of a warp entity rather then a true daemon in the traditional sense.
Let's not forget that in Slaves to Darkness, Perturabo witnessed the Daemon Sa'ra'am change his son Volk into the first Obliterator. "I'm not going to give him back to you. I'm going to give you a weapon." I think that when Perturabo decides he wants to become the perfect weapon, he's envisioning something like this, even using the same verbiage. Sa'ra'am was a Daemon of Khorne who, much like Drach'nyen, was formed when the first human crafted a tool to kill another human being. And Sa'ra'am was perfectly happy to be bound to the forge moon of the tech priests. This left him relatively free from authority because Khorne was no longer able to control him. This is the ideal alliance for Perturabo, who also does not want to be bound by the authority of the Chaos Gods. I would not be at all surprised if Perturabo returns to Sa'ra'am and strikes the bargain for which Volk was merely the prelude. And I think it's pretty clear that hatred is the vehicle by which Perturabo is changed, likely even fueled. So the Iron Cage becomes his method of his ascension because Dorn is the object of his hatred. And because Sa'ra'am is free from the influence of Khorne, Perturabo could be considered Undivided, not because he has the power of all four of the gods like Abaddon, but because he has a power that is beyond any of them.
I like that people think the warp is only four chaos gods but it is so vast yeah the chaos gods owns a lot of it but there are gaps to which the chaos gods are unaware of or even afraid of
chaos undivided acension is accomplished by managing to appear all 4 gods of chaos knowingly or not. it is a harder route to become a deamon prince from and those who accomplish it managed with a greater challenge
@@Diditallforthexp I meant to say "thank you" and "you're welcome". Maybe I'm a scholar, but I think of myself more as "a creative" who's a big fan of The Iron Warriors. I've tried to absorb the lore and the mood and the vibe in order to illustrate my models. I don't *really* know what Perturabo would do, but I do believe the seeds of the story have already been planted. At this point of the story, I think Perturabo wants two things: he wants to be no one's tool ever again and he wants revenge against the ones he hates and that's Horus, Dorn and The Emperor. He's lost everything. And as Bob Dylan once said "when you ain't got nothin', you got nuthin' to lose". He now lives to inflict destruction and construct the great monument to his loathing, and that will eventually be Medrengaard. But first he must possess the power, the ability to wreak his vengeance. It'll be interesting to see how he chooses to gain that power and what form he will take. Grahama McNeill has described him as a white, dead face staring out of an Iron Sarcophagus. He is still wearing his original armor, changed by The Warp into a dreadnought type of form? I suppose? His hammer has completely changed. But that's about all we know. We don't know what his powers as a deamon are, but that will be really cool to see. Most people I've talked to would like to see him as a super Obliterator, fleshmetal cannons to the max! I really look forward to a model one day!
I had that exact thought when I saw vashtorr when he was gathering all the components and the Dark age ai. And assaulted the rock I was like that hammer is sort of like what i envisioned perturabos hammer would've looked like as a demon primarch Its a very interesting thought
My pitch is that Perturabo is Vashtorr, but doesn't know it. In replacing his body with machines he's been unwittingly performing a rite to create his idealized self, and that's why we suddenly have this S-Rank creation-and-analysis Mecha Demon that keeps his word, wields a hammer, refuses the four, and comes pre-loaded with a beloved rival. They'll need to work to differentiate them if that isn't what they're going for.
If Dorn returns, do you think he could show enough respect for his brother to make a difference? Perturabo was never given the respect he deserved, and that ate him. What if Dorn could give him that? Dorn may be strong enough to allow that show of respect and humility, despite his betrayal, (death), and rage. Like, Primarch level of self control and mindfulness..
If Dorn returns I hope he returns dressed in black with gold trim and has been on crusade with his Templar Brethren all this time... It would be glorious!
P.S Dorn isn't dead. GW already retconned the date the Rynn's World incident happened so the aftermath lines up with the end of the Indomitus Crusade. How does this prove Dorn lives on? Well in the book Rynn's World they specifically mention an artifact on the Crimson Fists homeworld that contains some of Dorns still living blood. Something like his blood still being fine proves he still lives on and is watching over his sons is said, hinting he is perfectly fine. No other reason why GW would retcon the date of the incident. Towards end of Indomitus Crusade Guilliman reaches Rynn's World and meets Chapter Master Kantor. He instructs him to finish clearing the system of xenos and then to stand ready...... Hinting at later lore progression.
I think one of the most interesting things for the perty story, would be if his attempt to use chaos powers like a "tool" (ie how he thinks he was used by the emperor), the chaos gods "betray" him by showing him that they cant be used as simply a tool. The paralell being it proves to perty that he was wrong, the emperor DIDNT use him like a tool, horus DIDNT use him like a tool. But these realisations come too late and his attempt "backfires" locking him into his failed chaos demon prince form. His final betrayal is effectively him betraying himself.
Becoming a Daemon Prince doesn't take away his free will though does it? iirc Mortarian did things here and there that Nurgle wouldn't have liked either and he was tied to him specifically.
@@Oppen1945 It does. The only question is if you are aware that it is taken away from you. I believe in the fall of cadia book, this one guy become a demon prince. And realises suddenly how he loses his free will, being allowed to ponder that loss just enough to feel some regret then that does not matter anymore either.
@@NeloBladeOfRanni Until they want to do something that crosses their gods. The impression of free will is not the same as free will. Magnus wanted to kill ahriman, was stopped. Mortarion wanted to kill typhus, was stopped. They likely have some agency to do things, but the chains are there. Just not seen.
That'd be amazing and would leave the door open for him becoming a loyalist. Of all the traitors other than horus, Perturabo is the one I wish had stayed loyal. Imagine him joining vashtor and failing and before he can be punished tormented by chaos, he's saved by his father. Full circle.
Neither of them could manage the politics of being Warmaster, despite their talents in war itself- the only ones capable of the job were Horus, Guilliman or Sanguinius
You don't promote people who can actually do their job to manager. You promote people who can't or don't do their job well, and hope they'll be better suited for management.
Horus was promoted to babysit the primarchs and make sure they don't kill each other. Sanguinius and Horus were the only viable picks for warmaster because they couldnt have any obvious horrible feuds., both thought the other was more deserving.
I think Perturabo will essentially be a giant Obliterater and his warp ability will allow him to transform parts of his body into any weapons he can think of with warp fuelled ammunition ( similar to Apocalypse from X-Men.)
We all know he is the traitor primarchs favorite tool. As a matter of fact I would dare to say he is the most effective tool chaos has ever had at its disposal. All you have to do is blow a little bit of smoke up his ass by giving him a compliment and give him a near impossible task and watch him go like a wind up toy!
Thinking Dorn is the shield and Perturabo the sword in terms of types of original creation. But with the new fifth chaos god, Vashnor angle that we see a stable techno virus demon prince to heal and refine the weapon idea. So allows a character arc and redemption arc or allows for a non aligned faction. Which ties nicely with Civil war of imperial and also the fall of a loyalist primarch.
That's a very unfair analogy towards Perturabo. He was obviously very capable of creating and destroying. He was just never allowed to build all the designs he had that were not related to war.
What I think would be awesome is if he is a fusion of Daemon Primarch and Obliterator. This would be insanely powerful. Iron Warriors can already exert control over the Obliterator virus. Perturabo would be the master of it. Maybe even able to absorb a Leviathon or Contemptor dreadnought. He could shift armor, Atomantic shielding or switch weapons as needed. He would be a perfect weapon.
Perturabo is like the kid who's homework everyone copies. He's kind of a pushover, and suspects other kids don't like him and only use him, but he's too afraid to actually stand up for himself, so he turns into a ball of rage.
In the gate of bones novel (Second book of Dawn of fire novels) It is once more confirmed That Pert did ascend to demon prince undivided, as stated by one of his sons in that book. So demon Pert I can see going down a similar, but more subtle path, like Bel'akor. Seeking more and more independence, and thus also making deals with Vashtor, seeing how this powerful entity managed to become a fully neutral entity in the warp, not sidding with any particular god, but having deals with all their servants.
Me personally, I think that Perterabo is using his "daemon prince" form as a sort of "cocoon" and is using the (currently) wannabe chaos god vashtorr as the springboard to full godhood.
My head canon for Daemon-Primarch Perty is that he is basically twice the size he used to be, encased in just this MASSIVE hulking dreadnought looking thing. He can then also integrate himself(the logos) in to an even bigger "frame" that looks kinda like metal gear Rex. Perty would be "hanging"(connected obvs) right in the middle but he would then be a mobile artillery platform with rockets, machine guns, plasma launchers, the whole nine yards. Then, if he needs to drop down and engage in one-on-one combat, he separates from his extra frame so he can smash with Forgebreaker
It would be a mistake to make Perturabo ascend to Daemonhood. Perturabo always resisted mutation and the chaos gods themselves, he was always the unwilling ally to the chaos legions. That's what makes him interesting as a character.
I think all the reasons you gives are the perfect argument for him to be a demon prince actually 🤣 He is most above all characterised by the purest of spite toward anything and anyone. Being tricked by fulfrim and forced to rely on something that he utterly hate, forcing himself to serve a purpose that he despise so much in order to survive... Now that would generate some incredible amount of hatred. Look at Mortarion himself, equally hateful of the warp if not more and yet forced into being a servitor of nurgle. Having perturabo in a constant state of hate toward the entire universe because of what he was forced to become is the best kind of development i could see for him. I get why iron warrior fans are advert to change for their primarch, but it would be too much of a waste to have him just being his 30K self
I think maybe he just asked the chaos gods to heal the poison by sacrificing the geneseed from the iron cage, thinking that they would accept the sacrifice and not take a piece of him. But then the chaos gods thought it would be hilarious to turn an anti warp traitor into a demon by which I mean Tzeentch.
Well, how in the Start from "End and Death III" Perty wanted to become the perfect Weapon to beat Horus when he comes to punish him. At this Point, he thought Horus wins the Siege. So the Iron Cage wasn´t intented for Dorn at first because the Imperial Fists would be all dead. Sacrificing the Gene Seed was 100% NOT his Plan, if he even ever did that. It would be cool if he didnt become a Human but his entire Armor is a Demon Engine and he kind of "absorbs" Demon via Machines and uses their Power, hence the Nurgle Magic. Maybe a lot of his Armor contains Life Support. It would explain why he looked like a Corpse, it was sayed the Wound on his Soul would kill him, not how long it will take.
If the Emperor ascends to godhood, do you think that Loyalist Primarchs will receive the Daemon Prince treatment so that they will be on equal footing when the 42k encounters between the factions begin to occur more frequently?
MY headcannon is that since he represents chaos undivided, and seems to be some sort of demon prince engine, i suspect he may have made a deal with Vashtorr. This would explain how he could gain such power, because Vashtorr is getting insanely powerful in the setting. It would also explain how he got the knowledge of how to make himself a demon engine, which is something vashtarr does for the other chaos gods. which means he has some ability to imbue their warp energies into the demon machines he makes.
In the case of the Daemon Primarchs I think it's easy to explain why we haven't gotten any books from their perspective. The reason is twofold: Chaos may be the biggest threat to Humanity, but they're not the biggest merchandise sellers. Games Workshop wants to capitalize on the Imperium most of all, given how people view it as the "good guys" and the "protagonists" of the setting. Two, Chaos changes you, especially when you've become a Daemon Prince. By that point, you're no longer a creature of the materium, but a being of the Warp, twisted and corrupted into a foul thing, no longer even remotely sane. As for the Primarchs, well, they naturally were created by the Emperor as beings of both the physical realm and of the immaterium. Corax himself states he's shed the visage of his physical form and become what he was meant to be. Not a daemon, mind you, but something else. Moreover, I suspect the Chaos Primarchs daemon forms are in fact, corrupted parodies of what they were meant to be.
I believe it’s Lost and the Dammed but it may be First Wall where we can see more about Perturabo’s plans for using the warp. The chaos sorcerer from the Word Bearers along with Typhus summon the star worm to create the Plague of Unbelief. Through the narrator and Abbaddon we see Perturabo intently watching the ritual and both he and Abbaddon ask questions about the nature of the warp and how the rituals work. The sorcerer tells them it’s not necessarily anything to do with ritual but the use of powerful symbolic gestures and INTENT that feeds chaos/bends it to your intended use, example he gives being a sacrifice isn’t an automatic gift to the warp but a sacrifice with the intention of gaining notice from the gods does. I think Perturabo being a Primarch makes it easier for him to see how this works. My guess aligned with yours that he does try to do a warp ritual, the Cage of Iron wasn’t only a challenge to Dorn but a symbolic ritual combat to gain favor with the gods. In Fulgrim we see how the Layerin sword lies to Flugrim using his obsession with perfection to lure him towards chaos, SLANEESH IS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFECTION, but obsession is the gateway to extremity and excess. I think Perturabo made contact with a warp entity and it told him he could be more powerful ‘without giving himself fully to chaos’. It lied like the demon lied to Flugrim. Either Perturabo backs out of the deal at the last moment gaining some power but essentially still eternally dying or he just got screwed over like the other demon Primarchs did.
You are correct he would basically look at rituals and can break it down into a science and would be able to do some crazy things that hasn't been written yey@@undercovertakodachi4301
I am posting this only about 1/3rd if the way theough your video, so hopefully this isnt contradicted by something later, but my personal theory for Perturabo is that he has done sone kind of deal with Vashtor. The warp is timeless (meaning cause and effect dont necessarily run in order), so assuming Vashtor ascends to godhood at some point Perterabo could be the first of his Daemon Princes . . . or more likely, have parlayed his assistance in Vashtor's ascension to gain the status of an independent warp entity, since he has always wanted to preserve the freedom of his will.
I like the idea Perturabo being basically a dreadnaught, I wonder if the idea of him being demon engine like and having access to the other ruinous powers power, would simply be technologies he's developed to ape them, stealing what he needs and making it serve his purposes alone. His changes over time manifesting due to the needs of keeping him alive and bargains to gain access to add to his arsenal, while giving the least of his resources back to the gods of the warp.
What if he was attempting to do what Abbadon was working on when Kayon found him within the vengeful spirit? Except he succeeds but needs the Logos to contain his new form or use his new power?
I fully believe that Perturabo is doing the same thing that Corax did. Not servant to Chaos, yet being of the warp. Not to mention it aligns very well with the depictions. The chaos gods based primarchs take a lot of resemblance from their patrons, while Lorgar is just a generic prince. Perturabo on the other hand turns to almost a machine which suits him well, just as Corax turning into shadow being.
The cool thing is that Chaos has eight facets, not four, and these eight facets are called Aetheric Domains. That's why the chaos star has eight points. Khorne represents Heedless Slaughter, Tzeentch represents Infernal Tempest, Slaanesh represents Rapturous Sensation, and Nurgle represents Putrid Corruption. However, the other four domains are Encroaching Ruin, Malevolent Artifice, Ravenous Dissolution, and Formless Distortion. Right now, Vashtorr is on his way to becoming the Chaos God of Malevolent Artifice, with Perturabo as his Daemon Primarch.
In some way, Perturabo could be like Prometheus, stealing the fire from the Gods, and paying the price for it (never reaching the recognition he craves). It would be a callback to how the Emperor is also considered Prometheus in the final novel of the Heresy, and how each Primarch is a reminiscence of him. Also, it's quite possible that Perturabo is not a Daemon Prince per se, but instead did like Corax and "unlocked" their full Warp potential, with all his rage and hate giving him this horrendous walking-dreadnought shape. The Chaos Undivided thing should truly be retconned. Chaos is far more interesting if we look past beyond the 4 great Gods, with the Chaos Undivided being just for those who channel the dark warp energies without giving tribute to the 4 Gods. It would create very risky situations, like a fully wap Corax being loyal but siphoning dark warp energies at the cost of his own soul, a Wulfen Russ purified by the tears of Isha, whatever-prize-versus-doom story. Belakor fits very well in this kind of retcon, as he represents someone who plays the long game to climb step by treacherous step into the power ladder of Chaos.
Corax became a Daemon without a chaos pact as he learned to control the primarchs warp core the Emperor created them with. What if Perturabo ACCELERATED the emptiness inside and became a vast black hole of warp energy just absorbing chaos itself as his fuel source? (Magnus should avoid a hug from more than just Vulkan).
@@mrfluffyribs3141 I think that from the Daemon Primarchs, Magnus and Mortarion will be redeemed in the “end times”. I can’t see this being the case for Angron, Fulgrim or Lorgar, and I honestly have no idea what will happen with Perturabo.
I agree. Any power or upgrades if you will he gets from the warp is going to come at a very steep price. As we all have seen time and time again you cannot get anything from the warp without out a price! The question is what is his price?
Maybe he is not a Daemon Prince. maybe the machine armour absorbs and traps the Immaterium to give him power. Mixed with the genesplicing, he simply appears as a DP but could in fact more of a Daemon Engine genebrute Primarch.
I never had a problem with it really, there aren’t many dawn sides to demonhood and Purturbo was always about naked military power. Once you split with The Mechanicum you have to fill in the gap with a little Chaos, he’d probably be dead by now if he hadn’t.
I’m sure this isn’t the direction that Games Workshop will go in but, I love the idea of Perturabo selling the wealth of Iron Fist gene seeds to Vashtorr for either knowledge or resources to build himself into a deamon prince using deamon infused machines.
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I think Lion is going to go for a little forest walk onto the Vengeful Spirit to snaffle back the shard of Hawkboy, but he has to keep it in his head until the peices can be reunited. Could have some fun conversations in his own head
This may be a bit of a stretch, but I always thought that the Perty and the obliterator virus went hand in hand. If he could just find a way to keep his sanity intact from the virus, then he could reach that perfect form he is longing for.
I like symbolism of the knight in the forest rescuing the wolf from the poachers trap. Gives GW an easy way to reinforce the more Arthurian knight aspects of the dark angels thats been missing with the modern focus in super secret traitor hunting. Tangentially related sidenote, is there any established lore between Cypher and Cegorach?
There are more powers and influences in the Warp than the four gods alone. Bel'akor and Vashtor are just the most well known examples. It's not impossible, with the right preparations, for Pertarabo to become a demonic entity into himself. He wouldn't even be the first. The emperor was born a man and has become a god, and Corax has become a daemon. Celestene and other saints too, and the Legions of the Damned.
Instead of chaos undivided, how about being a demon prince of Vashtorr, with the powers Vashtorr takes as payment from the chaos gods being the origins of the wide display of chaos powers
There is a possibility that in the same way the emperor gained power from the chaos gods without becoming subjugated to them, Perturabo may have sought a similar path (while probably not succeeding in those goals.)
I like the idea that the demon primarchs may all try to overthrow/replace the current chaos gods, with maybe Perturabo and vashtorr vying for the fifth chaos god position
Would be so fkin cool and explain the "ascension to demonhood" maybe he stole power from the gods like his father to empower himself and make himself a god of his own???
@MohammedS2001 perhaps part of that ascension required a shedding of your past self or an option to which perty might just take. It just doesn't necessarily line up with the perfect weapon story arc he's looking to follow though
@@HalcyonDaze149 depends on what kind of weapon he wants to be. Concepts can be weapons just as easily as a gun. Make someone believe in something hard enough and you can start wars
I think Perturabo first talked to nurgle to gain access to the obliterator virus and some powers in exchange for the imperial fists geneseed and later on talked to the other chaos gods, offering his service as the master of forge of souls in return for gifts. This angered nurgle, so they are now at war with each other.
I imagine Peter Turbo returning as a mini Knight, which is essentially what I think a Primarch dreadnough should be. Basically a massive weapons platform that has no busy coming at you that fast. Although I guess that would be almost too close to current Gaz. Also, since we're speaking of returning primarchs, is it "confirmed" that Corvus transformed into a giant demon crow?
Maybe use the drukarhi/golden throne line for having them doing some good ol torture to the khan. But in the process of doing so it gives the emperor an in. Maybe he puts the noble shard into him making khan a psycher?
Heartbreaking when you have the context of modern day imperium vs malcadors thoughts in the end and the death volume 3 when he sees the loyalist primarchs carrying the emperor to the throne and he can only hope they have learned enough from himself and their father to carry on. Side note: comment doesn’t sense to be posted here, just happened to be listening to this when my mind wandered there
You know Purty probably fails colossally in the effort to become the ultimate weapon because all the other demon primarchs serve one master, however it would be abit poetic if the guy that didn't want any part of any of the chaos gods ended up serving all four, four masters and not one.
I Sa thinking the same, he could have had a hand in crafting his own god, and since it aligns with his will, it would not be a surrender in his view. And then Vashtorr, due to warptime being wonky, ended up having existed all along in retrospect.
I think they might retcon him being a demon prince and when he says “it will be a tough decision and he will need to be persistent” I think he is making himself into a weapon and essentially getting rid of the soul of the sword that he described himself as having. And now he is just a sword.
Re: Dorn & Perty playing Warhammer type games during Great Crusade, and Dorn always winning. Does that reveal Dorn is Andy Chambers and Perty is Jervis Jonson? ;)
i always thought it would be good if he transfers his conciousness into a robotic body, and siphons power from the warp to power it but never actually ascends himself
Would be cool if he tried to bound the deamon part to the Logos to have a "deamon prince engine" but then got stuck in the armour an slowly got fused to it anyway.
I have thought recently that the Void dragon is the Omnisiah. The reason for that is because according to lore technology took off on mars once he was imprisoned there.
Bringing Perturabo back into the Imperial fold would be huge for humanity. I forget which book it was in the heresy series but there are passages where he ponders upon what he could do to leap the Imperium forward instead of being used to grind foes down. Imagine his ingenuity mixed with Guilliman's organizational mind. Would be like a living STC lol
Perturabo has worked with Vashtorr in the past. My bet is that he'll be "bound" or something like that to Vashtorr (thinking Vashtorr is his way out) to escape the big 4 gods but will be right back where he started by being enslaved to Vashtorr.
Any thoughts on what pert would think of Corvus? Corvus uses the part of himself from the warp without being enslaved to any gods and really makes it his own power. I think his pseudo-demonic form is maybe what Perturabo wanted to become, of course with his own aspect of war manifesting itself.
That bit about Perturabo's thought processes in the very beginning though. There are a lot of jokes, and a lot of legitimate arguments to be made about neurodivergency or the like in the Primarchs. Perturabo though...Perturabo understands data, but not people. Never people. Couple that with obvious depression, it's no wonder he took the path he did. Many of us *know* someone like this. Many of us have been this, if only briefly, and much less impressive in other ways. Perturabo never could understand people. It was his one true failing. And it will always undo him, in the end.
If there is one primarch who is capeable of believing that his own actions are always justified it's good old Perty. Perturabo will always find a reason for himself to use the powers from the gods. But a Primarch Dreafnought would be pretty metal!
I think it would be cool if Perturbo didn't surender to Chaos, so Chaos made his armour and augments a Deamon Prince, trapping him inside, puppeting his body from within and without, being fuelled by his rage and fraustration. It would be awesome to get a book about him in which he breaks free and enslaves Vashtor, impriosoning him in a titan.
Perterabo was/is brilliant.. anything he sets his mind to, he accomplishes.. had the Emperor found Perty first instead of Horus, I believe he would have been elevated to Warmaster. The thing is he wasn’t allowed to do what he wanted.. he was always forced to do the things he didn’t want to do. Perty and the Iron Warriors broke their backs carrying Horus’s rebellion and most specifically the Siege of Terra.. Perty is living his best life now.. he got his revenge on Dorn and now he’s just ruling his little regime and he doesn’t really want to do anything else really.. though I believe if Dorn returns, Perty will come out to reassert his superiority.
In terms of alignment, with the release of Vashtor I lean more into Perty enacting his plan to become "the perfect weapon" and failing. At this point rather than receiving the gifts of the Undivided, he essentially died, only to be saved by Vashtor - which can tie in nicely with his description as essentially a Primarch Dreadnaught. Whilst he is not quintessentially a vessel of the Undivided, he could be able to utilise the effects of the Ruinous Powers either through bargaining or technological means. After all, if he is essentially a Primarch Demon Engine then having access to alligned demons within his sarcophagus could grant him a faux Undivided status/abilities. Him using Nurgles influence a few times, specifically with regards to techno-viruses, doesn't give the impression of a true Undivided Primarch.
The part of the emporer that he throws into the warp. Is worshipped by the Mutants as the Star Child, that when the emporer dies on his throne the star child will be birthed and lead humanity out of its dark age.
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are there books that are set just after Horus loses?
@@johnwayne4927 I'm thinking they're gonna start The Scouring book series soon
I liked the idea of the Horned Rat in 40K, but I like the idea of Nagash and a true undead faction not aligned to Nurgle in the 40K universe more.
26:09 if, he was damaged and either became vashtor unlikely or better yet he is with him he is a fusion of all the demon engines with his soul bound do it keeping him alive with gifts and parts from all the gods with or without them wanting it, but vashtor decided to do it, so it's not his perfect body hut it's vastors attempt to create his engines in to a demon prince. Like the forced ascension idea but he could save himself but vashtor did / could. 😅
I love the idea that Perturabo only *appears* to be a Daemon Prince, because hes so huge, horrific and powerful- that hes more like an archaeotech-super dreadnought that burns greater daemons for fuel to shore up his waning,wounded soul,hence the ability to use nurglite abilities,for instance. Perhaps the Iron Cage was used to barter this tech from Vashtorr, and that hes got a close connection with the dark mechanicum. Maybe Kelbor-Hal even lives on Medrengard, the Savage Morticians are dark magi that are already known to reside there.
It would be a neat opportunity for there to be a unique traitor primarch who gets to have a consistent characterization from start to finish- Perturabo becoming a true daemon prince just doesnt sit right with a lot of fans,this would allow him to have a cool spotlight inspite of his neglect both in lore and in real life.
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Thank you! I wish I could articulate the point like you, new lore is awful and you have solidified my head cannon lore
@@cegesh1459cope harder
Maybe the fckr became a literal machine spirit 😂💀
It’d be cool if it he turns against the traitors whilst also not joining the Imperium
Having a traitor Legion that isn’t chaos but is just out to make their own Imperium would be a cool twist, although I bet that’s their plans for the Alpha Legion
Perturabo & Vastorr are gonna drop the hottest mixtape.
I've always head cannoned that Perterabu is a deamon prince of nobody. He studied the process of becoming a deamon, and he essentially recreated it to become a sort of deamon without alaegance to the chaos gods. More of a warp entity rather then a true daemon in the traditional sense.
Daemon Prince of Necoho
Kinda like Corvus
I love that idea! As a horror fan, my favorite 40K demons are the ones that just show up in stories and you have no idea what God they actually serve.
Aye. Tapping into his true Inner Warp Power like Corvus Corax did feels far more in line with Peter Turbo's character over selling his soul to Chaos.
I like to think he made a deal with Vashtorr and is NOT(!!!) a daemon prince, but basically still is
I really hope we get Perty back soon and I hope he looks as dope as all the fan art makes him out to be!
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Let's not forget that in Slaves to Darkness, Perturabo witnessed the Daemon Sa'ra'am change his son Volk into the first Obliterator. "I'm not going to give him back to you. I'm going to give you a weapon." I think that when Perturabo decides he wants to become the perfect weapon, he's envisioning something like this, even using the same verbiage. Sa'ra'am was a Daemon of Khorne who, much like Drach'nyen, was formed when the first human crafted a tool to kill another human being. And Sa'ra'am was perfectly happy to be bound to the forge moon of the tech priests. This left him relatively free from authority because Khorne was no longer able to control him. This is the ideal alliance for Perturabo, who also does not want to be bound by the authority of the Chaos Gods. I would not be at all surprised if Perturabo returns to Sa'ra'am and strikes the bargain for which Volk was merely the prelude. And I think it's pretty clear that hatred is the vehicle by which Perturabo is changed, likely even fueled. So the Iron Cage becomes his method of his ascension because Dorn is the object of his hatred. And because Sa'ra'am is free from the influence of Khorne, Perturabo could be considered Undivided, not because he has the power of all four of the gods like Abaddon, but because he has a power that is beyond any of them.
I like that people think the warp is only four chaos gods but it is so vast yeah the chaos gods owns a lot of it but there are gaps to which the chaos gods are unaware of or even afraid of
chaos undivided acension is accomplished by managing to appear all 4 gods of chaos knowingly or not. it is a harder route to become a deamon prince from and those who accomplish it managed with a greater challenge
I like this, and it will now live in my brain. Thank you random scholar of nerdy things!
@@Diditallforthexp I meant to say "thank you" and "you're welcome". Maybe I'm a scholar, but I think of myself more as "a creative" who's a big fan of The Iron Warriors. I've tried to absorb the lore and the mood and the vibe in order to illustrate my models. I don't *really* know what Perturabo would do, but I do believe the seeds of the story have already been planted. At this point of the story, I think Perturabo wants two things: he wants to be no one's tool ever again and he wants revenge against the ones he hates and that's Horus, Dorn and The Emperor. He's lost everything. And as Bob Dylan once said "when you ain't got nothin', you got nuthin' to lose". He now lives to inflict destruction and construct the great monument to his loathing, and that will eventually be Medrengaard. But first he must possess the power, the ability to wreak his vengeance. It'll be interesting to see how he chooses to gain that power and what form he will take. Grahama McNeill has described him as a white, dead face staring out of an Iron Sarcophagus. He is still wearing his original armor, changed by The Warp into a dreadnought type of form? I suppose? His hammer has completely changed. But that's about all we know. We don't know what his powers as a deamon are, but that will be really cool to see. Most people I've talked to would like to see him as a super Obliterator, fleshmetal cannons to the max! I really look forward to a model one day!
I had that exact thought when I saw vashtorr when he was gathering all the components and the Dark age ai. And assaulted the rock I was like that hammer is sort of like what i envisioned perturabos hammer would've looked like as a demon primarch
Its a very interesting thought
My pitch is that Perturabo is Vashtorr, but doesn't know it. In replacing his body with machines he's been unwittingly performing a rite to create his idealized self, and that's why we suddenly have this S-Rank creation-and-analysis Mecha Demon that keeps his word, wields a hammer, refuses the four, and comes pre-loaded with a beloved rival.
They'll need to work to differentiate them if that isn't what they're going for.
Mine Is that Perty Will turn vashtor into a suit of armor. He Will wear vashtor.
If Dorn returns, do you think he could show enough respect for his brother to make a difference? Perturabo was never given the respect he deserved, and that ate him. What if Dorn could give him that? Dorn may be strong enough to allow that show of respect and humility, despite his betrayal, (death), and rage. Like, Primarch level of self control and mindfulness..
Nah, dorne's too smooth brained to have any deep thought processes beyond building a better wall
If Dorn returns I hope he returns dressed in black with gold trim and has been on crusade with his Templar Brethren all this time... It would be glorious!
P.S Dorn isn't dead. GW already retconned the date the Rynn's World incident happened so the aftermath lines up with the end of the Indomitus Crusade. How does this prove Dorn lives on?
Well in the book Rynn's World they specifically mention an artifact on the Crimson Fists homeworld that contains some of Dorns still living blood. Something like his blood still being fine proves he still lives on and is watching over his sons is said, hinting he is perfectly fine.
No other reason why GW would retcon the date of the incident.
Towards end of Indomitus Crusade Guilliman reaches Rynn's World and meets Chapter Master Kantor. He instructs him to finish clearing the system of xenos and then to stand ready...... Hinting at later lore progression.
There is the little detail that Perty helped kill Dorn's dad, i cant see them being on civil terms after that.
Short answer? No.
Long answer? Nooooooooooooo
My favorite description of Perturabo is when he creeps out his own men by the most terrible smile ever
I think one of the most interesting things for the perty story, would be if his attempt to use chaos powers like a "tool" (ie how he thinks he was used by the emperor), the chaos gods "betray" him by showing him that they cant be used as simply a tool.
The paralell being it proves to perty that he was wrong, the emperor DIDNT use him like a tool, horus DIDNT use him like a tool.
But these realisations come too late and his attempt "backfires" locking him into his failed chaos demon prince form.
His final betrayal is effectively him betraying himself.
Becoming a Daemon Prince doesn't take away his free will though does it? iirc Mortarian did things here and there that Nurgle wouldn't have liked either and he was tied to him specifically.
@@Oppen1945 It does. The only question is if you are aware that it is taken away from you. I believe in the fall of cadia book, this one guy become a demon prince. And realises suddenly how he loses his free will, being allowed to ponder that loss just enough to feel some regret then that does not matter anymore either.
@@drankrurtbf that's only one that we see who doesn't seem to have free will. Daemon primarchs specifically seem to have a lot of free will
@@NeloBladeOfRanni Until they want to do something that crosses their gods. The impression of free will is not the same as free will. Magnus wanted to kill ahriman, was stopped. Mortarion wanted to kill typhus, was stopped. They likely have some agency to do things, but the chains are there. Just not seen.
That'd be amazing and would leave the door open for him becoming a loyalist. Of all the traitors other than horus, Perturabo is the one I wish had stayed loyal. Imagine him joining vashtor and failing and before he can be punished tormented by chaos, he's saved by his father. Full circle.
I like how Perty and Dorn were both the hard carries for their sides in the heresy. Like it has me wondering why neither of them were the Warmaster.
Too important. Shiny crowns and tedious meeting would slow down the ACTUAL most valuable players.
Neither of them could manage the politics of being Warmaster, despite their talents in war itself- the only ones capable of the job were Horus, Guilliman or Sanguinius
You don't promote people who can actually do their job to manager. You promote people who can't or don't do their job well, and hope they'll be better suited for management.
Horus was promoted to babysit the primarchs and make sure they don't kill each other.
Sanguinius and Horus were the only viable picks for warmaster because they couldnt have any obvious horrible feuds., both thought the other was more deserving.
@@whitewall2253that was a terrible coin flip
Got here as soon as the stream ended. Dam Warp storms
Oddly enough, I clicked after it was done and arrived two days before it started.
Watching it live right now. Feeling kinda itchy though.
I think Perturabo will essentially be a giant Obliterater and his warp ability will allow him to transform parts of his body into any weapons he can think of with warp fuelled ammunition ( similar to Apocalypse from X-Men.)
A real girl boss then, slay queen!!
@@venga3 😂😂
Obliterator dreadnought
Perturabo: I'm gonna become PERFECT WEAPON!
Slaanesh: Did you say "Perfect"?
Khorne: Did you say "weapon"
Tzeetch: is someone scheming?
Perturabo: Hop into this engine room for me.
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"*Fulgrim hops in beside Perturado*"
We all know he is the traitor primarchs favorite tool. As a matter of fact I would dare to say he is the most effective tool chaos has ever had at its disposal. All you have to do is blow a little bit of smoke up his ass by giving him a compliment and give him a near impossible task and watch him go like a wind up toy!
Nurgle: smells like cybernetics!
Thinking Dorn is the shield and Perturabo the sword in terms of types of original creation.
But with the new fifth chaos god, Vashnor angle that we see a stable techno virus demon prince to heal and refine the weapon idea. So allows a character arc and redemption arc or allows for a non aligned faction. Which ties nicely with Civil war of imperial and also the fall of a loyalist primarch.
More like a hammer than a sword
@@Dreadbringer that's fair. A hammer destroys and creates.
@@MatthewAdlard my thought exactly
That's a very unfair analogy towards Perturabo. He was obviously very capable of creating and destroying. He was just never allowed to build all the designs he had that were not related to war.
What I think would be awesome is if he is a fusion of Daemon Primarch and Obliterator. This would be insanely powerful. Iron Warriors can already exert control over the Obliterator virus. Perturabo would be the master of it. Maybe even able to absorb a Leviathon or Contemptor dreadnought. He could shift armor, Atomantic shielding or switch weapons as needed. He would be a perfect weapon.
Perturabo is like the kid who's homework everyone copies. He's kind of a pushover, and suspects other kids don't like him and only use him, but he's too afraid to actually stand up for himself, so he turns into a ball of rage.
Dorm army got dismantled, man handled fulgrim. Watchu mean? deception is a bitch, dude was deceived.
In the gate of bones novel (Second book of Dawn of fire novels) It is once more confirmed That Pert did ascend to demon prince undivided, as stated by one of his sons in that book. So demon Pert I can see going down a similar, but more subtle path, like Bel'akor. Seeking more and more independence, and thus also making deals with Vashtor, seeing how this powerful entity managed to become a fully neutral entity in the warp, not sidding with any particular god, but having deals with all their servants.
There’s about 280 sources saying Perturabo is a demon and about 0 that have said anything other than that
Imagine Perturabo initial failure to ascend into daemonhood using Dorn's geneseed because it turns him into a literal fucking wall.
you think he injected himself with Dorn's geneseed or what?
Me personally, I think that Perterabo is using his "daemon prince" form as a sort of "cocoon" and is using the (currently) wannabe chaos god vashtorr as the springboard to full godhood.
I want Perty to return as a giant helbrute and to mirror this Dorn returns as a giant dreadnought.
maybe it willbe something closer to a knight with a defiler bottom
My head canon for Daemon-Primarch Perty is that he is basically twice the size he used to be, encased in just this MASSIVE hulking dreadnought looking thing. He can then also integrate himself(the logos) in to an even bigger "frame" that looks kinda like metal gear Rex. Perty would be "hanging"(connected obvs) right in the middle but he would then be a mobile artillery platform with rockets, machine guns, plasma launchers, the whole nine yards. Then, if he needs to drop down and engage in one-on-one combat, he separates from his extra frame so he can smash with Forgebreaker
It would be a mistake to make Perturabo ascend to Daemonhood. Perturabo always resisted mutation and the chaos gods themselves, he was always the unwilling ally to the chaos legions. That's what makes him interesting as a character.
I think all the reasons you gives are the perfect argument for him to be a demon prince actually 🤣
He is most above all characterised by the purest of spite toward anything and anyone. Being tricked by fulfrim and forced to rely on something that he utterly hate, forcing himself to serve a purpose that he despise so much in order to survive... Now that would generate some incredible amount of hatred.
Look at Mortarion himself, equally hateful of the warp if not more and yet forced into being a servitor of nurgle. Having perturabo in a constant state of hate toward the entire universe because of what he was forced to become is the best kind of development i could see for him.
I get why iron warrior fans are advert to change for their primarch, but it would be too much of a waste to have him just being his 30K self
I think maybe he just asked the chaos gods to heal the poison by sacrificing the geneseed from the iron cage, thinking that they would accept the sacrifice and not take a piece of him.
But then the chaos gods thought it would be hilarious to turn an anti warp traitor into a demon by which I mean Tzeentch.
Mistake? He was always a demon prince they haven’t made any decisions his character since day 1 was that of a demon
He should align with the Dark Mechanicum and uncover some God tier dark age tech to turn his armor into some kind of ultra overpowered dreadnaught.
Well, how in the Start from "End and Death III" Perty wanted to become the perfect Weapon to beat Horus when he comes to punish him.
At this Point, he thought Horus wins the Siege. So the Iron Cage wasn´t intented for Dorn at first because the Imperial Fists would be all dead.
Sacrificing the Gene Seed was 100% NOT his Plan, if he even ever did that.
It would be cool if he didnt become a Human but his entire Armor is a Demon Engine and he kind of "absorbs" Demon via Machines and uses their Power, hence the Nurgle Magic.
Maybe a lot of his Armor contains Life Support. It would explain why he looked like a Corpse, it was sayed the Wound on his Soul would kill him, not how long it will take.
If the Emperor ascends to godhood, do you think that Loyalist Primarchs will receive the Daemon Prince treatment so that they will be on equal footing when the 42k encounters between the factions begin to occur more frequently?
MY headcannon is that since he represents chaos undivided, and seems to be some sort of demon prince engine, i suspect he may have made a deal with Vashtorr. This would explain how he could gain such power, because Vashtorr is getting insanely powerful in the setting. It would also explain how he got the knowledge of how to make himself a demon engine, which is something vashtarr does for the other chaos gods. which means he has some ability to imbue their warp energies into the demon machines he makes.
In the case of the Daemon Primarchs I think it's easy to explain why we haven't gotten any books from their perspective. The reason is twofold: Chaos may be the biggest threat to Humanity, but they're not the biggest merchandise sellers. Games Workshop wants to capitalize on the Imperium most of all, given how people view it as the "good guys" and the "protagonists" of the setting.
Two, Chaos changes you, especially when you've become a Daemon Prince. By that point, you're no longer a creature of the materium, but a being of the Warp, twisted and corrupted into a foul thing, no longer even remotely sane.
As for the Primarchs, well, they naturally were created by the Emperor as beings of both the physical realm and of the immaterium. Corax himself states he's shed the visage of his physical form and become what he was meant to be.
Not a daemon, mind you, but something else.
Moreover, I suspect the Chaos Primarchs daemon forms are in fact, corrupted parodies of what they were meant to be.
I believe it’s Lost and the Dammed but it may be First Wall where we can see more about Perturabo’s plans for using the warp. The chaos sorcerer from the Word Bearers along with Typhus summon the star worm to create the Plague of Unbelief. Through the narrator and Abbaddon we see Perturabo intently watching the ritual and both he and Abbaddon ask questions about the nature of the warp and how the rituals work.
The sorcerer tells them it’s not necessarily anything to do with ritual but the use of powerful symbolic gestures and INTENT that feeds chaos/bends it to your intended use, example he gives being a sacrifice isn’t an automatic gift to the warp but a sacrifice with the intention of gaining notice from the gods does. I think Perturabo being a Primarch makes it easier for him to see how this works.
My guess aligned with yours that he does try to do a warp ritual, the Cage of Iron wasn’t only a challenge to Dorn but a symbolic ritual combat to gain favor with the gods.
In Fulgrim we see how the Layerin sword lies to Flugrim using his obsession with perfection to lure him towards chaos, SLANEESH IS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFECTION, but obsession is the gateway to extremity and excess. I think Perturabo made contact with a warp entity and it told him he could be more powerful ‘without giving himself fully to chaos’. It lied like the demon lied to Flugrim. Either Perturabo backs out of the deal at the last moment gaining some power but essentially still eternally dying or he just got screwed over like the other demon Primarchs did.
pretty sure Perturabo has that Uncanny ability of Looking at Something and Immediately Understands It.
You are correct he would basically look at rituals and can break it down into a science and would be able to do some crazy things that hasn't been written yey@@undercovertakodachi4301
I found a forge world Purtarabo, I am repairing him. I know he doesn’t look like that anymore but it was a cool find 😊.
Cool vid as always 😊
Eyy that's very cool. If a new model comes out, the pair would make a sick display
I am posting this only about 1/3rd if the way theough your video, so hopefully this isnt contradicted by something later, but my personal theory for Perturabo is that he has done sone kind of deal with Vashtor. The warp is timeless (meaning cause and effect dont necessarily run in order), so assuming Vashtor ascends to godhood at some point Perterabo could be the first of his Daemon Princes . . . or more likely, have parlayed his assistance in Vashtor's ascension to gain the status of an independent warp entity, since he has always wanted to preserve the freedom of his will.
I was getting withdrawals! Glad you are back!
I like the idea Perturabo being basically a dreadnaught, I wonder if the idea of him being demon engine like and having access to the other ruinous powers power, would simply be technologies he's developed to ape them, stealing what he needs and making it serve his purposes alone. His changes over time manifesting due to the needs of keeping him alive and bargains to gain access to add to his arsenal, while giving the least of his resources back to the gods of the warp.
What if he was attempting to do what Abbadon was working on when Kayon found him within the vengeful spirit? Except he succeeds but needs the Logos to contain his new form or use his new power?
I fully believe that Perturabo is doing the same thing that Corax did. Not servant to Chaos, yet being of the warp. Not to mention it aligns very well with the depictions.
The chaos gods based primarchs take a lot of resemblance from their patrons, while Lorgar is just a generic prince. Perturabo on the other hand turns to almost a machine which suits him well, just as Corax turning into shadow being.
The cool thing is that Chaos has eight facets, not four, and these eight facets are called Aetheric Domains. That's why the chaos star has eight points. Khorne represents Heedless Slaughter, Tzeentch represents Infernal Tempest, Slaanesh represents Rapturous Sensation, and Nurgle represents Putrid Corruption. However, the other four domains are Encroaching Ruin, Malevolent Artifice, Ravenous Dissolution, and Formless Distortion. Right now, Vashtorr is on his way to becoming the Chaos God of Malevolent Artifice, with Perturabo as his Daemon Primarch.
If Malice still existed it would have been Dissolution.
In some way, Perturabo could be like Prometheus, stealing the fire from the Gods, and paying the price for it (never reaching the recognition he craves). It would be a callback to how the Emperor is also considered Prometheus in the final novel of the Heresy, and how each Primarch is a reminiscence of him. Also, it's quite possible that Perturabo is not a Daemon Prince per se, but instead did like Corax and "unlocked" their full Warp potential, with all his rage and hate giving him this horrendous walking-dreadnought shape.
The Chaos Undivided thing should truly be retconned. Chaos is far more interesting if we look past beyond the 4 great Gods, with the Chaos Undivided being just for those who channel the dark warp energies without giving tribute to the 4 Gods. It would create very risky situations, like a fully wap Corax being loyal but siphoning dark warp energies at the cost of his own soul, a Wulfen Russ purified by the tears of Isha, whatever-prize-versus-doom story. Belakor fits very well in this kind of retcon, as he represents someone who plays the long game to climb step by treacherous step into the power ladder of Chaos.
Corax became a Daemon without a chaos pact as he learned to control the primarchs warp core the Emperor created them with. What if Perturabo ACCELERATED the emptiness inside and became a vast black hole of warp energy just absorbing chaos itself as his fuel source? (Magnus should avoid a hug from more than just Vulkan).
❤ the Idea of The Head being Pertys Forced Forgemaster, definitely added to MY head canon❤
Perturabo's "failure" to use the Chaos Gods as tools is a great door to leave open if GW ever does a redemption arc for him.
Technically, I can see him being good buddies with vashtor if he is still kicking when perty shows up
I really want him to get redeemed but he is right, he could have become the machine demon prince
@@mrfluffyribs3141 Ngl, I wanted Morty to be redeemed and come back to the fold with Russ… was before “plague war” that killed Morty’s character
@@TheWarlock97 I'm super curious who in the end of 40k will have been redeemed and turned evil
@@mrfluffyribs3141 I think that from the Daemon Primarchs, Magnus and Mortarion will be redeemed in the “end times”. I can’t see this being the case for Angron, Fulgrim or Lorgar, and I honestly have no idea what will happen with Perturabo.
Glad to see your back. And my boy Putrabo been busy
Thank you it’s been so hard for me to find beyond surface level information on this
I agree. Any power or upgrades if you will he gets from the warp is going to come at a very steep price. As we all have seen time and time again you cannot get anything from the warp without out a price! The question is what is his price?
I started off a huge Mortarion stan, but Perty has slowly grown on me…hoping we see him soon and that Tacticus adds Iron Warriors to the req drops!
Maybe he is not a Daemon Prince. maybe the machine armour absorbs and traps the Immaterium to give him power. Mixed with the genesplicing, he simply appears as a DP but could in fact more of a Daemon Engine genebrute Primarch.
I just wanna know the odds of my guy here being a 40k fan and being born with the perfect voice to talk about 40k?
Good to see you back it sucks i missed the live
I never had a problem with it really, there aren’t many dawn sides to demonhood and Purturbo was always about naked military power.
Once you split with The Mechanicum you have to fill in the gap with a little Chaos, he’d probably be dead by now if he hadn’t.
I’m sure this isn’t the direction that Games Workshop will go in but, I love the idea of Perturabo selling the wealth of Iron Fist gene seeds to Vashtorr for either knowledge or resources to build himself into a deamon prince using deamon infused machines.
Man, your voice and all of its inflection and tone lend itself so well to 40k lore! That is what brought me to your channel! The excellent content and the quality of your video's is what kept me here. Another excellent video, my man! Keep up the great work! 👌 👍
Glad you enjoy it!
@@SandmanofTerra have you ever thought about doing voice acting and/or book reading for company's like the ones that read and voice act the black library books. You would be absolutely fantastic at it!
@@BrianTalmage-s3w I haven't but I will take a look!
I always got a "beloved younger brother" vibe off of Guilliman and Sangies relationship.
Imagin a perturabo model be the size of a knight. Now that would be amazing!!
This is a great video that covers so much! Good job keep it up!
We have an Entity that fits the design of Iron Warrior's, Vashtor may be an entity that Perterabo could allign with
I think Lion is going to go for a little forest walk onto the Vengeful Spirit to snaffle back the shard of Hawkboy, but he has to keep it in his head until the peices can be reunited. Could have some fun conversations in his own head
i want Games Workshop to bring back the legion of the damned models back
Real And if they want to bring back Ferris It's very epic if they make Him a headless Pray mark undead serving the emperor as a imperial demon
Vashtorr would be a great medium to reintroduce demon Perturabo to 40k.
This may be a bit of a stretch, but I always thought that the Perty and the obliterator virus went hand in hand. If he could just find a way to keep his sanity intact from the virus, then he could reach that perfect form he is longing for.
Also due to his primarch ability he should be able to completely master it
Excellent content, as always!
I like symbolism of the knight in the forest rescuing the wolf from the poachers trap. Gives GW an easy way to reinforce the more Arthurian knight aspects of the dark angels thats been missing with the modern focus in super secret traitor hunting. Tangentially related sidenote, is there any established lore between Cypher and Cegorach?
Corvus Corax is loyalist undivided warp beast😅
There are more powers and influences in the Warp than the four gods alone. Bel'akor and Vashtor are just the most well known examples. It's not impossible, with the right preparations, for Pertarabo to become a demonic entity into himself. He wouldn't even be the first. The emperor was born a man and has become a god, and Corax has become a daemon. Celestene and other saints too, and the Legions of the Damned.
Instead of chaos undivided, how about being a demon prince of Vashtorr, with the powers Vashtorr takes as payment from the chaos gods being the origins of the wide display of chaos powers
There is a possibility that in the same way the emperor gained power from the chaos gods without becoming subjugated to them, Perturabo may have sought a similar path (while probably not succeeding in those goals.)
Inb4 Vashtorr is actually just Perp but as a demon prince.
I like the idea that the demon primarchs may all try to overthrow/replace the current chaos gods, with maybe Perturabo and vashtorr vying for the fifth chaos god position
Wouldn't it be wild if pertuabo just shed his name and went by vashtor some time in the 10000 years between 30 and 40k
Would be so fkin cool and explain the "ascension to demonhood" maybe he stole power from the gods like his father to empower himself and make himself a god of his own???
@MohammedS2001 perhaps part of that ascension required a shedding of your past self or an option to which perty might just take. It just doesn't necessarily line up with the perfect weapon story arc he's looking to follow though
@@HalcyonDaze149 depends on what kind of weapon he wants to be. Concepts can be weapons just as easily as a gun. Make someone believe in something hard enough and you can start wars
I love the sound of that
Sadly, that doesn’t work as Vashtor is older than Perturabo.
Prolly gonna be a Vashtor’s first Daemon Prince. Once you’re a Chaos God then you’ve essentially been around for eternity.
First time listening to you and loved your thoughts keep at it
Thanks and welcome!
I think Perturabo first talked to nurgle to gain access to the obliterator virus and some powers in exchange for the imperial fists geneseed and later on talked to the other chaos gods, offering his service as the master of forge of souls in return for gifts. This angered nurgle, so they are now at war with each other.
I imagine Peter Turbo returning as a mini Knight, which is essentially what I think a Primarch dreadnough should be. Basically a massive weapons platform that has no busy coming at you that fast. Although I guess that would be almost too close to current Gaz. Also, since we're speaking of returning primarchs, is it "confirmed" that Corvus transformed into a giant demon crow?
Maybe use the drukarhi/golden throne line for having them doing some good ol torture to the khan. But in the process of doing so it gives the emperor an in. Maybe he puts the noble shard into him making khan a psycher?
Heartbreaking when you have the context of modern day imperium vs malcadors thoughts in the end and the death volume 3 when he sees the loyalist primarchs carrying the emperor to the throne and he can only hope they have learned enough from himself and their father to carry on.
Side note: comment doesn’t sense to be posted here, just happened to be listening to this when my mind wandered there
Could end up being something related to Vashtorr since he’s like a demigod of chaos with the whole machine domain
You know Purty probably fails colossally in the effort to become the ultimate weapon because all the other demon primarchs serve one master, however it would be abit poetic if the guy that didn't want any part of any of the chaos gods ended up serving all four, four masters and not one.
What if vashtor is just an agent of perturabos manifestation in the warp? His experiment worked but not quite
I Sa thinking the same, he could have had a hand in crafting his own god, and since it aligns with his will, it would not be a surrender in his view. And then Vashtorr, due to warptime being wonky, ended up having existed all along in retrospect.
Perturabo had so much hope when he and the Emperor had first met. I always wished that he had stayed a loyalist.
I think they might retcon him being a demon prince and when he says “it will be a tough decision and he will need to be persistent” I think he is making himself into a weapon and essentially getting rid of the soul of the sword that he described himself as having. And now he is just a sword.
Re: Dorn & Perty playing Warhammer type games during Great Crusade, and Dorn always winning. Does that reveal Dorn is Andy Chambers and Perty is Jervis Jonson? ;)
i always thought it would be good if he transfers his conciousness into a robotic body, and siphons power from the warp to power it but never actually ascends himself
I'd love it if it turns out vashtor is a creation of purturabo with the aim being create a chaos god to serve him
Would be cool if he tried to bound the deamon part to the Logos to have a "deamon prince engine" but then got stuck in the armour an slowly got fused to it anyway.
I have thought recently that the Void dragon is the Omnisiah. The reason for that is because according to lore technology took off on mars once he was imprisoned there.
I always liked to imagine him looking like some form of Leviathon dreadnought, size and all.
He sounds like one of the Lords of Gardinaal.
It’d be cool if he made a deal with Vashtor to complete his transformation into a metallic daemon-like form.
Bringing Perturabo back into the Imperial fold would be huge for humanity. I forget which book it was in the heresy series but there are passages where he ponders upon what he could do to leap the Imperium forward instead of being used to grind foes down.
Imagine his ingenuity mixed with Guilliman's organizational mind. Would be like a living STC lol
Perturabo has worked with Vashtorr in the past. My bet is that he'll be "bound" or something like that to Vashtorr (thinking Vashtorr is his way out) to escape the big 4 gods but will be right back where he started by being enslaved to Vashtorr.
The iron warriors are also really good at binding demons to machines to make demon engines so maybe something like that?
Any thoughts on what pert would think of Corvus? Corvus uses the part of himself from the warp without being enslaved to any gods and really makes it his own power. I think his pseudo-demonic form is maybe what Perturabo wanted to become, of course with his own aspect of war manifesting itself.
The data told him so etc is tellin, he could potentially reach god hood or should i say a certain god could take over his seemin corpse...
That bit about Perturabo's thought processes in the very beginning though.
There are a lot of jokes, and a lot of legitimate arguments to be made about neurodivergency or the like in the Primarchs. Perturabo though...Perturabo understands data, but not people. Never people.
Couple that with obvious depression, it's no wonder he took the path he did. Many of us *know* someone like this. Many of us have been this, if only briefly, and much less impressive in other ways.
Perturabo never could understand people. It was his one true failing. And it will always undo him, in the end.
If there is one primarch who is capeable of believing that his own actions are always justified it's good old Perty.
Perturabo will always find a reason for himself to use the powers from the gods. But a Primarch Dreafnought would be pretty metal!
what would be amazing is if perto is in a giant mech suit and he is not a deamon but his suit is powered by one.
I think it would be cool if Perturbo didn't surender to Chaos, so Chaos made his armour and augments a Deamon Prince, trapping him inside, puppeting his body from within and without, being fuelled by his rage and fraustration. It would be awesome to get a book about him in which he breaks free and enslaves Vashtor, impriosoning him in a titan.
How certain are fans that Perturabo will return to the setting in the next 10 years?
Knowing GW, Petty is coming back next week, or in 2035
He’s back! Long time no see bro
Perterabo was/is brilliant.. anything he sets his mind to, he accomplishes.. had the Emperor found Perty first instead of Horus, I believe he would have been elevated to Warmaster. The thing is he wasn’t allowed to do what he wanted.. he was always forced to do the things he didn’t want to do. Perty and the Iron Warriors broke their backs carrying Horus’s rebellion and most specifically the Siege of Terra.. Perty is living his best life now.. he got his revenge on Dorn and now he’s just ruling his little regime and he doesn’t really want to do anything else really.. though I believe if Dorn returns, Perty will come out to reassert his superiority.
In terms of alignment, with the release of Vashtor I lean more into Perty enacting his plan to become "the perfect weapon" and failing. At this point rather than receiving the gifts of the Undivided, he essentially died, only to be saved by Vashtor - which can tie in nicely with his description as essentially a Primarch Dreadnaught.
Whilst he is not quintessentially a vessel of the Undivided, he could be able to utilise the effects of the Ruinous Powers either through bargaining or technological means. After all, if he is essentially a Primarch Demon Engine then having access to alligned demons within his sarcophagus could grant him a faux Undivided status/abilities. Him using Nurgles influence a few times, specifically with regards to techno-viruses, doesn't give the impression of a true Undivided Primarch.
That metal skin bit almost makes me think of necrodermis
The part of the emporer that he throws into the warp. Is worshipped by the Mutants as the Star Child, that when the emporer dies on his throne the star child will be birthed and lead humanity out of its dark age.
I think he will be the Daemon Patriarch of the big Chaos God which Vashtorr might become someday soon.