Korean Music Critics Claim That HYBE Is Destroying K-Pop!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ย. 2023
- Korean critics are not happy with the way HYBE is dealing with K-Pop and they spoke up about it recently after Jungkook's Golden got released!
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At this point, I’m just afraid Hybe will become the Disney of Kpop. They keep buying smaller companies and pushing new groups. Disney bought Marvel and Star Wars, dry it out and now nobody cares. Too much of a good is not for the best
Oops dont u see kakao buying out companies and have huge impact on most of the industries in sk. OOPS U'LL BECOME BLIND TO THOSE & CAN ONLY SEE HYBE
smartass, Disney fall because of how they embrace SJW and their 100+ gender type
I hate how HYBE is purposely staying away from K-pop using KOREAN PEOPLE to sing english
I actually never thought about it this way, you're right
It almost feels like he's trying to "prove" his Korean idols can sing and make English music, since Koreans usually have a hard time learning English@@TootiFry
I agree that the numbers you see for streaming on K-pop songs isn't organic. When Gangnam Style became the most viewed video on TH-cam that was from real people being interested, not legions of fans streaming on multiple deviced all day. When albums get high sales, it shouldn't be because legions of fans buying multiple copies of the album to drive up sales or collect photocards. I wish there was not such emphasis on numbers when they are so manipulated.
this is so true
If fandoms don't bulk buy you will see the true numbers of album sales. BTS would be selling only around 700k (which is still a lot) and popular girl groups like aespa (I still love em to death) would be selling more like 400-500k
That's why Gangnam Style will always be the #1 most-viewed K-Pop video. ARMY and Blinks can stream all they want, but fact is that video still gets so many organic views. I honestly hope it remains at the top because I truly hate the mass-streaming culture. It's become a battle of who has the most fans with no lives (ie: children) and their parents' money to spend.
@@tubby_1278 bro BTS wouldn't sell the fewer numbers you're showing, aespa did sell more than 500k albums
@@spectral__ Gangnam style is only one song hit. People like it because the dance is funny. They don't care about the lyric and the artist. Many western people think Psy is Chinese at that time. ARMY is not like other kpop fandom, they are all ages (literally from babies to grandma and grandpa) and all gender and mostly they well organize, like making donation to people around the world.
But we really missed the old Kpop era
As a 2nd gen enjoyer kpop fan I have to agree...
Agreed
That os such a stupid take, sorry but don't ya'll just follow the groups who do the suposed "typical" Kpop sound? Like there's over 200 Kpop groups, don't tell me there's not one doing it. And if there's no one, I would asl myself why.
@@skarbuskreska why are you so triggered and emotional over this comment? Maybe take a nap and cope?
@@likhwezititusbeing a tab bit dramatic, they are not that emotional. It's just a bit hypocritical, seems like people have issue just because it's in English. K-pop has always been heavily influenced by the west, just a fact. You want straight up Korean music, listen to trot! Some amazing trot songs I can recommend
What Hybe doesn’t understand is that the whole appeal of K-pop to western audiences is that it’s K-pop! It’s in Korean, they (used to) have a different sound, a lot of it is infused with interesting Korean culture, it’s refreshing from mainstream pop music. But now that the songs are in english, and they sound western, it’s boring, and has lost the intrigue.
What are examples of Korean culture infusions in kpop?
@@robtucker6303 Yes.
@@ClrrcIr To name a few:
BTS-Idol,Stray kids- Thunderous, Red velvet- one of these nights, Sunmi- lalalay, VIXX- Shangri-la
I hope these will suffice for now
@@nikkonikkoni8264 Thank you. Those are great examples. None of them are pop.
@@ClrrcIr Your bluntness in this comment chain made me laugh, at least you’re straight up
I totally agree with the music critics.ive been a kpop fan since 2014 and I feel in love with it because of its uniqueness unfortunately current kpop releases are now getting tinted by western influence.Kpop isn't as good as it was back then, it's a shame.
Great, you were there when Taeyang released Rise - Intro. It wasn't just tinted, it was the whole paint can of western song.
You can leave anytime
completely agree. The music starts to get more repetetive then usually in kpop and ofc a lot shorter and less interesting overall. Smaller groups with unique sound are really great and give me alot of the old kpop feeling back when they always tested new sound, new style but they dont have success in it what a shame.
it's only now that it's getting "tinted by Western" being prominent since they have more audience globally now, back in the early 2000s and 2010s kpop tried to being global yet they didn't gather that much impact to pull in audience to be called "westernized", it's just unfair that now that they have wider audience music critics call them being too westernized when they have been trying to enter that scene way back and (kinda) failed, or failed to gather global audience. It's like,,,,we want (kpop) them to be famous, gather more audience, sell more, but not too famous cuz then they'll be called westerns.....whut? success comes with change, whether people like it or not, if it sells it will continue to be produced and improve, but it is sad that they will potentially lose that essence of Kpop.
What kind of attitude is this? We do NOT want to leave, we love KPop and are just disappointed at it losing some of its unique identity which attracted us in the first place! It's because I personally was sick of the fake, superficial Hollywood business that I love KPop so much. Criticizing doesn't mean rejecting. Sorry, but I'm not a yes man/woman just because I like something. JK is an amazing artist extremely talented, I know he loves pop and I respect his choices, doesn't mean it's what I would prefer to hear from him. This idea they have to measure themselves against the western market and be valued according to that criteria is demeaning and I don't like it.@@crazylittlebigthings
All things aside, I honestly miss the concepts and hidden stories BTS used to convey through their music. Like I used to die waiting for the new albums and songs to release. Those easter eggs and depictions were fascinating. And I felt disconnected from their music since 2020. Maybe it's because I'm a save me era fan? but these are my personal opinion about them.
Edit : I really don't want to start a civil war in the comments. I never said that I don't support BTS anymore please stop calling me a fake fan and all. If you don't find this comment appropriate please scroll down.
If that's how you feel, then I respect that. But I want to say that you can't really compare BTS' before pandemic and after pandemic music. Since after MOTS 7 they were supposed to use No more dream in their next album (like boy in luv vs boy with luv and N.O vs On) but things didn't go as planned.
In my opinion they still released music with messages BE & pandemic feelings and Proof & We have to be away for a while but we are gonna come back. And I guess they are gonna continue their hidden stories with hyyh 10th anniversary in 2025.
My point being that I don't think their music lost all the hidden stories and messages. They were just different because their situation was different.
I hope I could explain myself well. English is not my first language.
how I get you, I was a big fan of them and even went to their concert in 2019 but after their album map of the soul:7 (that I liked a lot btw) their music didn't work with me as much as before
Disappointing for an earlier fan to have no understanding of their artists at all. Do you think you're the only one affected by the pandemic? When they released singles as a group, tried something for the fans, when they had no more to wring themselves of, uncertain when they'd get back to normal, looming two-year absence with the d4m mItry, yall were thinking something else and forming meetings with antifans.
True, after Map Of the Soul: 7 , I have lost the urge to listen to their music. I feel like they lost what made their music amazing.
Same.. I became Army because of their old music, but now they are no longer making such music or have deep meaning lyrics (some songs was exception) or interesting concepts I somehow lost interest.
Ngl , I agree with the korean music critics , I don't like how k-pop is getting influence from the western. Hybe is just using the western market for more popularity. HYBE DO BETTER!!
BTS has proved that you don't need anything to do with the western side of music to become popular.
As if rest of the kpop groups doesnt want western audience and are so loyal to korean audience only. GROW UP KIDDO, ITS BUSINESS FOR THESE COMPANIES, its that Hybe got into it through Bts , but others tryn but failing
@@safasathar1019it may be all business for these changes but it'll hit them hard in the end. There are groups that have voiced wanting to be more active I Korea e.g. Got7.
@@likhwezititus well said.
Ummm what about the last three years? They've been releasing commercial music to appeal to the western audience and that's how they blew up. Before that, they were doing collabs with international artists which wasn't common.
True and same. It’s sad to think that BTS thought they needed to make full on English songs to fully promote in the west specifically in USA. It would have been better if they did all this western promotion with mostly Korean language songs.
Let's be honest hybe does not care of kpop he cares of the money. And other companies are doing something similar
Agreed.
Also didn’t Hybe get a new CEO a while back? I miss the old one 😔
💯💯💯
I wish that were true. Then the kpop industry wouldn't be able to tag along with the success of Hybe; then Hybe wouldn't be associated with kpop's sIave Iabor, idols having zero input, and all that kpop is notorious of. But bch Hybe has a vision of expanding the Korean training and development. Albeit with no messy music, and with better conditions.
Exclude YG,, yg is way different to hybe. They are the only company that most of thier artist grow through organic system
Hybe can gratefully leave the kpop industry if they don't think its good enough for them but like wanting to ruin and change the whole industry is a reach who do you think you're.. Just creating one successful group does not make you own the industry
He's so arrogant for wanting to change the entire industry bc HE thinks that's whats better for kpop.. I hope he'll never succeed in "removing the k in kpop" it's ridiculous
@@yasminchan7425I just need him to step aside and leave the industry alone sm jyp and other smaller companies can carry this mission bro thinks he really created kpop?? Lol
I swear I love many groups under Hybe but god do I hate the CEO@@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechan
Here we are again with the antis. People full of judgment, feeling perfect!!! Dang! Don't be so stupid. Bang Pd said he wants K to be removed from the KPOP yes but that doesn't mean that he is disregarding the music artistry, the essence of KPOP. What he meant by that technically is for the Award Giving Bodies or whatsoever in the Western Countries to acknowledge the songs of Korean Singers as part of their circle and not limiting them by putting them in a KPOP Category only. GETS? Is that wrong? No! Does that make him greedy? No! And what's wrong with the Album of Jungkook? What's wrong if he has collaborations, if all songs are in English? So what? If he wants that, let him be. If you dont want so don't talk about it, dont listen to his songs or whatever. My goodness!!! Get a life people! If you aren't happy with the success of JK or anyone who's going to do the same thing, mind your own business because these artists are doing this out of their passion, they do this for their fans and at the same time giving Pride to Korea. If you aren't proud of it, then don't be. As simple as that.
in a sense however i kind of understand where he's coming from. "kpop" as its known is very mainstream now and is just as popular as westernized pop. removing the "k" in kpop will only make it more mainstream.
I agree with the Korean Music critics tho I'm an ARMY myself. Trying to change the whole industry really doesn't sit well with me as I got into kpop because it was KPOP. It was different from what I was used to and that's why I liked it so much. I hate all the sudden westernization in kpop.
Yeah I know wht u mean I also don't want it but why criticising jk or bts they did nothing wrong they made more korean sings and whenever they releas eng sings then korean fans never get happy u should happy bvz bts doing so good not disgrace them just bcz they r entering in western music
Dude l also got into kpop because it was different but now l really hate what it has became and still going to be
Sudden westernization? You're aware YG performed hip hop with a 🇰🇷man who dressed and was styled hair and makeup to look like a BIack man, and made his own TLC? And BoA had her US studio album in the early 2000s?
I know I also got into k pop and like k pop music but it's not artist fault the way k pop growing in other countries especially in western so its good opportunity for artist to achieve more and do other generas and they r involving in western industry does not mean they going to change their dressing they still showing their feelings in songs weather its western or korean just support them its great that they showing us something new
Yeah I aware of that k pop was in in western industry from the start it's nothing new alot of artist from the 2009 or before that already made album and sell well in US so hybe is not the one who is involving in western industry western industry is already involve in k pop many western artist doing concerts in korea its already involved
I don't speak a word of Korean, but I have to say that there's a totally different vibe than the older stuff. It seems like the songs sung in Korean with a little English sound more real, if that make sense. Most of the groups sound much more relaxed and sincere while singing in their native language.
Never understood why these kpop companies and groups see the need to cater to and seek validation from western audiences. The bulk of their audiences are from Asia and SEA, and there is a reason why people love kpop for what they are. Changing kpop to cater to the West is just to their own demise. I still hate the fact that Hybe acquired Pledis, and Seventeen had to be under that greedy company. Everything became so commercialized and that company is just trying ways and means to milk every single cent out of the fans. Hybe's greed have no limits and it's disgusting. Hybe is every fans' nightmare came true.
Could not have said it any better.
How much milk they got from you? Other companies lead the years that created the dark side of kpop and idoI expIoitation but I've never seen kpop stans paint a bigger bad enemy more than Hybe.
You nonsense person...do you know that Pladis was literally in bankruptcy and if Hybe didn't purchase it, probably Seventeen would be disbanded by now...and only after Seventeen is under Hybe, they gain the resources to promote more Internationally making them in top 5 of the Kpop boy groups now....omg...the utter ignorance....Does Seventeen sound like BTS or any other group under Hybe??? They still retain their own sound and individuality!!!!
American and European are big fan base for kpop.
because despite the huge "number' in views and streams it didn't translate to real numbers. While it looks like "popular" and significantly bigger than a decades ago, it still relatively small compared to western music markets. With ban from China, and dwindling of economy and population in S.K, they seek to find more market in the west the 1st biggest music market just like how they did with Japan in the late 90s when S.K was facing the economic crisis and the music industry was crumbling.
Call me odd but I feel this was always going to happen. Kpop has ALWAYS been following western influences, so with Kpop getting more & more international fame this was bound to happen. If you don’t like it then don’t interact with groups who are “westernized.” Just keep in mind music always has trends, what you’re seeing HYBE do now is a trend. They aren’t going to do this forever, that would make no sense. So either tough it out or ignore the genre for awhile. I know I left the Kpop scene for awhile when noise music was the trend, it shouldn’t be difficult to do that.
There is no problem with kpop being in the western market...the problem is groups/artists changing just to fit in....latin snd afrobeat artists embrace their culture and language in thr west and are veryyyy popular...kpop needs to do the same thats all
What if the artists don't like noise anymore?
@@unojd2936 So you're mocking kpop music just because you don't like it? You're calling it noise as an insult.. disappointing. Fix your attitude and learn some manners.
This is basically my view on it too. All music pulls influence from each other to some extent which is totally fine, like how kpop always had some western influence, however I don’t like it when artists abandon what makes their music unique just to appeal to a different market. There are ways to incorporate trends or styles to capture new audiences without dropping their own style.
I do think part of the reason this is affecting kpop groups is that the base market for Korean music is smaller than say afrobeats or Latin as those styles span countries. However I think kpop has shown it can find an audience everywhere without having to sacrifice what makes it kpop.
@@AaronSKZ true..although I think that kpop is actually bigger than Latin and afrobeat music....I think the western industry are actually intimidated because the kpop industry is veryyyy high in quality when it comes to music and promotion....if western music fully let's kpop into the industry(radio play, award shows,etc) they might take over because people will begin to see the difference in quality...western musicians have become so lazy while kpop idols work very hard and it shows....so the western industry is limiting them..but kpop is growing so fast globally that they cant be ignored anymore
@@bluewolf2708 Noise is unambiguous rather than terms as "kpop feel" and "kpop vibe." It's the predominant sound that they refer to that is changing.
This is just my opinion:
We all joined kpop because we loved the Korean lyric we wanted to explore something different than we used to listen everyday and so we got into kpop but we if look in artist's point of view they all want to explore more just like we did they are entertainer and they want to try different options as a designer myself I love explore more in designing from manga, manhwa to animation and graphics logo designing which are totally different from one another it's ok to play around with your choices as a human you have right to do that as long as you are not hurting someone.
These are just my opinion
nop
Whose “we”?
@@Chaewonsolostan me and my bestfriend who love to hear different type of songs
@@siddhisalvi1628idols discovery western music is okay but too much is not okay
@@btsokok8519 I agree as a fan of k-pop not just BTS but also disagree because I don't want to be the one to hate them or criticize them, I would like to hear various music they will make but at one side of my delusional mind I think company is pressuring them to create only english songs (which is not true I know)
I only care if my fav group enjoys what they are doing and releasing good music. Idc if its in korean/Japanese/English as long its sounds good. Im happy they getting more fans overseas :)
I respect you for what your saying I believe the same thing music is music it will always change if it English and goof I'm down for it I don't care about the standards they put on k pop at the end of day it music something we all love
genuine question, are hybe fans even capable of considering listening to a song because they genuinely enjoy it, and not for the numbers?
Do not stick Mamamoo up there with those who "Don't write their own music" when Moonbyul is literally on the list for highest credited idols... 😭😭😭
i love kpop...i started listening in 2006-2007, W.Girls and SNSD(girls generation) got me hooked.. i have seen steady change since 2nd Generation. while most change has been good, i love the sound of the Korean language and when i listen to kpop i want to hear at least some korean in the lyrics. i don't have anything against an Idol doing songs in English but please don't abandon the Korean language altogether. the songs, the music, the cultrue, the language is all the stuff that brought me to kpop in the first place. i love kpop and while small changes are ok to an extent , please don't change the formula that got kpop where it is..if kpop ends up being just another top 40 english pop participant then what would happen to the kpop we all love so dearly. Hold on to the original idea about kpop, don't become too westernized, we have enough of that...LOVE FOR KPOP ALWAYS, you guys ROCK !!!
Totally agree, hope more people do and say so!
So true
I agree with you.
The formula has been buying from western producers. Why the issue now?
@ClrrcIr Even if they do buy samples sometimes from foreign producers, they add their own touch to the instrumentals and recreate the lyrics based on an original theme or concept in the korean language. The sample just serves as a basic idea that they can develop on to create something more unique.
i agree with the korean music critics. HYBE is actually monopolizing the kpop industry. there's no uniqueness in kpop anymore, the singing standard in kpop getting bad, the only things are matter is how much of a fandom a group have and how many views a group MV have.
nowadays, agencies don't care if the artist is known in korea or not as long as the artist is getting exposure in western as if they don't really put attention with their home-country's audiences.
all i'm saying is that, kpop isn't as fun anymore and that's why people don't stay long in the kpop community.
the only thing that keeps the korean entertainment alive is K-Drama.
@@Noneofyabusiness_123 yes thank you for agreeing with me.
a lot of kpop fans don't understand this especially if you join the kpop community recently, because most of them are too focused on hyping their group that they forgot what the actual "K" in K-pop is.
The music industry in Korea isn't respectable anymore especially by Koreans. Most Koreans don't even listen to kpop cuz there's no difference listening to kpop and pop music in general.
there used to be some kind of pride when I listened to kpop because it's different from any other genre.
@@bomipark628 You're projecting your taste to them. Anne Marie's 2000 reigned SK's music charts for a long time. You're in another planet if you think they ever "respected" idol music. They respect the group who brought them national prestige on a global level.
@@flngerj i can see that you know nothing about Korean music industry
@@bomipark628 Put idol music next to other Korean music see where SK public put idol music in that hierarchy of respect.
@@flngerj yeah i can see where you're going with this, especially from the outsider point of view. K-Pop has been very big since the 90's in Korea if you don't know, people from various ages would listen to K-Pop groups especially those 1st and 2nd generations. people would recognize the group just by listening to one of their songs no matter if you're from big or small companies. but at the end of the 3rd generation, up until K-Pop was known in the western, we feel a very big change towards the music. the similarities between each groups like the style, the sound, the way of singing is very much alike.
a group would be called success if they are known in their own home. but nowadays, agencies and the artists would prefer promoting outside the country which makes the groups not really well-known except if you're a fan of them. so don't blame all of it to korean citizens who don't really listen to K-Pop because unfortunately, they don't even put efforts on promoting themselves to people back home.
HYBE doesn’t realize the K in “K-Pop” at this point, so if someone asked me who do I stan I would say only groups that have the perfect amount of Korean lyrics in their songs
what is "perfect amount" to you? just a curious question
I think you have misunderstood something he is not saying everything should be in English but that pop is pop no matter the language used
Do you? What is the K? If it is the language, why should everything in K be categorized into pop when it's not pop?
Well what I mean by perfect amount is like when it has a good amount of Korean lyrics in the song for example Sunny summer by GFriend it has a bit of English language and most of it is korean that’s what I mean by perfect amount sorry if I confused you guys😂
music is music..it's either you listen to it or you don't listen to it. no one is telling you'll what to listen too or not to listen too. it's just as simple as that. damn!
wow, this is the most needed comment. I definitely agree with you. now i can peacefully exit the comment section
Exactly 💯
@@salonigore8750Same, I was just waiting for someone to set me free-😂😂
Anyone who says people are "jealous" for whatever reason just don't wanna see the criticism for what it is. There's no reason to be jealous about the music and industry they love being turned into something else. Grow up
What is it about the kpop industry that you so love?
@@ClrrcIrthe music obvi
@@bruh-zs4mb If it is the music, something that has been heavily western influenced from the beginning is not "turning into something else" with the heavy western influence now.
@@ClrrcIr pop is pop it exists everywhere lol, USA isn't the first one to come up with it
@@ClrrcIr The music, the pretty idols, the cool synchronized choreo, the sweet moments shared between idol and fan, the cool album packaging, how the idols are just fun loving in general etc etc
Broo jungkook wanted to do something new . He has been into this industry for 10 years now , if he wants to try pop, then let him do, bro . Let him try something new, mann
Yeah, he spent his teenager and 20s singing music about love yourself and in Korean and Japanese language and as a group, they have only 3 English song and now he wants to do something different let him do
Honestly feel like this is Hybe trying to manipulate the global market. This isn’t about kpop anymore, it’s about Hybe trying to take the entire market globally. JK’s album was over sexualized and the furthest thing from why a lot of kpop fans get into it. Hybe only cares about money, not the fans, hell not even their own artists (look at V’s hair getting pulled at the Celine event, it’s evident they don’t even spend money on security). Let’s let Hybe leave the kpop industry if they’re so “limited”.
Exactly. Bang PD wants to be the center of music lol...he's power and money hungry af
@@tubby_1278 you know right Bang PD is only the producer and not the CEO anymore😂😂
JK's album is pop and western sounding is becausr his idols are all westerners be it Charlie Puth, Ariana Grande etc, he always wanted to make that kind of music, if Hybe wanted to "manipulate" stuff they would have made all the BTS members release english albums and songs for their solos but it wasn't the case💀💀
@@BELIEVER78989 Jimin and JK both...really pandering to the west. Idk bout any of the other members
Honestly kpop is dying so it’s good hybe leaves so they can get out.
The issue is not the westernization of kpop but that current pop lacks story, soul and creativity. It's more about selling, lyrics are repetitive and unoriginal. Yes Kpop used to be influenced by pop and black artists initially so it's not new, but at that moment the industry looked so much different and the effort made into artistry was better. The current industry is just a selling machine. YT views reflect fandom, that's it.
90%of idol lyrics were and always will be repetitive and unoriginal what's your point exactly lol?Idol music did not have any story, soul and creativity since after Seo Taiji. That's the reason he only named BTS as his successors.
This is hypocrisy! The whole Kpop industry was in heaven praising BTS a few years ago to win prises and have recognition from the west, speaking on UN or entering the billboard. Now is everything wrong? Music has now language or country, important is the feeling you get listen to. If is not your cup of tea don‘t listen to but hating is not good option. Every artist put a lot of work in his music and performance and deserve respect!
i literally love you. this is the comment i have been looking for. i completely agree with you. you spoke my mouth
they just hate bts because they are damn successful than other kpop groups
They are just jealous and have hidden agenda
Do you know what makes you armies toxic? The thing that you guys don’t know the difference between criticism and hating
@@Dreamer89878 well you are right, when an immature fan don't understand the difference between criticism and hating their reaction really makes them a toxic obsessed fan, I completely agree with you 👍. But also let me clarify it happens in all the fandoms, afterall other fandoms are humans as well just like ARMIES. So don't you think mentioning only ARMIES is bit harsh. I am a multi stan so I can definitely tell what goes around, and every fandom has a part toxic fans but they surely do not propagate the thoughts of whole fandom right?
Let's just listen to the music our artists produce and heal and comfort ourselves and make this world a better place💖
What Bang doesn't understand is that people love kpop because it's original everybody love it bcoz it's not similar to western culture
Because its fun it's not all about love and s3x sometimes it's about other stuff..it has a real touch of art in its production dnace music video unlike western music they do the same thing every time
Kpop isn't original. Kpop has come from all different types of cultures and industries. If you guys don't like kpop honoring those industries by being influenced and promoting in their audiences that made kpop, am sorry but that's not rl
Whose everybody? ☠️
I wont say its original but I agree its so different
Nah, I just like BTS and a couple songs here and there that don't sound awful
It's actually So Disgusting How Hybe is Running after Western Validation too. Like Stop forgetting we chose kpop because It has it's own Taste and flavour. Just because of streams and charts - Making Minors sing abt their PvSsys 💀 Then Releasing A full English Album for a person who can't even speak 3 sentences in English with 57 Remixes and tracks with Heavy playlisting💀💀💀 Atp Just Leave kpop. We don't want u.
Hybe artists don't want you as a fan either, so allnis good. Just stick to your beloved Big 3 and their artists and all is good, if they are so amazing they should for sure succed over Hybe. Just please take care, it doesn't look great at the moment with all the drug and business malpractice accusations. Kakao entertainment should have been the shining knight who rescued SM from bad bad dragon Hybe. Now they are in financial investigation, and SM being sued by their artist again, ongoing mismanagenent of their groups. YG drugs, and the "big" Bigbang comeback didn't seem that big after all. Nevermind the BP debacle.
But just ignore Hybe and the groups and all will be good, right?
@@skarbuskreskalol. Well said
@@skarbuskreskaThe korean entertainment is doing fine!
The few scandals didn't hurt the big3 at all..
Aespa is still doing fine as well as NCT and Treasure
Even older groups like Shinee, don't have a problem to sell out concerts and groups outside of the big3 like (G)idle and IVE are extremly popular so idk what u are talking about
We don't don't want you either lmao, imagine getting so triggered over music😂😂😂
You have no damn right to tell a korean person to leave kpop as a westerner. How dare you try to take Jungkook’s Korean blood out of him just because he made an album in english. Music is a universal language and your koreaboo self hates to see that it’s working for him. Kpop has been releasing English songs for years now but you guys only have a problem with bts doing it becuase they are the ones getting bigger. You guys never have an issue when kpop groups sing in Japanese but have a problem with them singing English because apparently it’s them being too westernised. NEWS FLASH!!! The only thing about kpop that isn’t inspired by the western industry is that it’s sung in korean. Kpop has continuously been taking trends and music from black artists from the singing techniques to some of the dance moves. The biggest influence to kpop is Michael Jackson and guess what??? He’s literally the biggest western artist ever. If you have no problem as a non Korean listening to Korean songs than you should have no problem with a Korean singing in English.
I miss the old Kpop the Tara, Sistar, SNSD, EXO , Old SM , Old Jyp the memories
you mean the golden age
Yeah... the trash music era
Yeap the real era of talent an artistry. These groups didn’t hop on trend.I can speak for EXO, they still refuse to hop on cringe tiktok trend.
I just don’t like that HYPE is monopolizing kpop why is no one talking about that
Because he alone can't do anything there are other companies that are driving "kpop". The more he can do is making hybe groups westernized which they already are😂😂
They are scared of the beast
After their 3 Eng songs, what other westernized did they produce to you other than jk and jm solos??? after JUST 3 songs, they released PROOF with bangers like YET TO COME and RUN BTS which is the generic kpop we love. then they released TAKE TWO as a comeback. After that, they didn't do any group comebacks. RM released INDIGO and yoongi released his solos and jhope and V too which were with the original kpop sound.
Now tell me, just how much did BTS become westernized for you guys to be reminiscing about past and saying you stopped listening or like their quality reduced??? I'm genuinely curious.
After Just 3 English songs and 2 members with pop sounding solos, what did BTS do deserve this much hate and criticism?? Against Hybe, i can understand but against BTS, I'm genuinely questioning your pov.
Jungkook always wanted to sing pop songs since childhood. He's been in this industry for 10 years giving us songs which we love, so why can't we let his give songs now which HE loves now?? is it so wrong to sing in English, which infact is his DREAM GOAL?? Why can't fans understand and accepts what he loves doing? as an artist, he too has his own desires and wants.
I don't know why fans demand songs from artist that should be to THIER liking rather that songs which the said artist love making or singing to.
What do u mean other than jimin ? Jimin album wasn’t westernized
Bruh, even Jin, my bias, I usually love his songs like Awake, Moon, Epiphany. But his last song before his enlistment is so westernized and mostly sung in English. And about Kim Taehyung, his recent songs are 98% in English language. I don't get what you're meaning. I don't blame them cos I understand they wanna be freaking popular in the West bloc and this is nothing wrong. But, recently ignoring Asian fans and appealing Western fans became too much day by day. I was a BTS fan 2015-2020 cos of their music, not cos of they became overhyped and like a trend.
@@ThantSan-lc8bn I'm convinced you ppl don't recognize music elements and are just yapping about English lyrics. Look Here from Dark & Wild sounds like Timberlake.
BTS could sing all their older songs in full English and you'd disregard everything you liked about the music because you'd relegate them all westurnized.
Let's not forget BE again, a mostly Korean album, we even made the first Korean song Life goes On debut at #1, yet EVERYONE forgets it somehow.
The irony is that most pop/kpop music is generic as whole (thats kinda the point that it has wide appeal). Im not saying BTS and HYBE cant be criticized, Im saying that the criticism should be levyed at the industry as a whole, Kpop has been ripping pop from the west (and japan) for years. Kpop has been following world music trends for years....I think golden is fine a litte too safe but its not bad.
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Others are not doing it that's why. Hybe's own is obvious
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Okay but apart from from jk having a full English album some groups also have them and were not criticized like jk or was it because they did not hut like Golden?? People complaining of hybe promoting its artist in west than home land did they ever treat them Good from the start,the reason jk fear appearing on variety shows and hates it because of what they did to him
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And then they come with I don't listen to BTS anymore because they are looking for western validation and shizz like WTF they only have like 4 English... Dude what is your problem 🤷♀️😂
@@oshuwareafegbai6114IKR they have many Korean songs if u don't like new ones go listen to the old ones there are many and underrated top like paradise , deja vu , butterfly etc no one no this songs and says shit whatever they thinks lmao an artist should be exploring new music and generas that what makes them unique and I love how the respect every gener and music style !!! I'm still waiting for 2025
Who cares about kpoppis 😂
Hybe buys bots,views,even their owned albums and now streams
I'm like 99% sure the reason why kpop stans nowadays are saying "kpop has become too westernized!", is bc most of them are 4th gen stans who knows nothing about first, second or even third gen kpop
I hate HYBE's music
It is undeniable that K-pop has always been influenced by Western music. That infleunce in and of itself is not bad. The problem comes when companies actively try to be less Korean. I like the callbacks to 90s R&B and 80s pop that I find in so many K-pop songs. What I also enjoy is that K-pop doesn't sound exactly like those songs. They took Western music and blended it with Korean culture and made something unique. It needs to maintain that uniqueness in its music production and music videos so it stays interesting. Jungkook can make whatever music makes him happy. The entire K-pop industry doesn't need to follow him.
You dislike them being "less Korean" and in the next sentence you're implying their "Koreanness" is the callbacks to 90s rnb and 80s pop, which are from where? Tell me. Kpop then sounded exactly like those songs. Even the music videos.
@@ClrrcIr You ignored the sentence where I said Kpop doesn't sound exactly like those songs. Read my entire comment before you make accusations.
This is why imo, Namjoon has had the best solo work in BTS. All the way back with Do You, it's always been unique. Then Mono came out and it's so perfect. Now the variety in indigo just continues the trend.
I don't think there's a huge difference in pop and kpop ngl, just the language. But I do think it's obvious when groups are trying to pander to the west.
The problem is only the stans feel this way. RM does not appeal to the general public at large. Bang PD and the music critic are seeing the same thing...were it not for the fandom (who are trained to support their group no matter what) very few would listen to idols music. In the west BTS is envied because of the impact Army makes when it comes to streams, views, likes, voting, sales, charting and #trending not because the guys are making impactful ground breaking or even ok music. Work with BTS and your retirement money is guaranteed because they will use your music and Army is going to push it to the limit no matter what! Of course, you will have to endure Army dragging your name through the mud as a nobody clout chaser and a no talent never was but at least you will be sitting on a fluffy pillow of cash to cushion the blow to the ego.
Well said and yes. ❤
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True, the album is so well written. And the lyrics are so poetic. RM's song-writing skills is immaculate.
It’s hilarious this video doesn’t even acknowledge that it was Army that started the whole “You’re not a real artist if you don’t write your own music” They started the narrative. They are at fault for why now JK got criticized not only by critics but by other KPop fandoms. Army became fucking hypocrites of the highest order.
Yeah, this is a good point. I have criticisms of Golden but not because of the bogus "you're not a real artist if you don't write your own music" pushed by Army to make BTS music seem deeper than it was. There's nothing wrong with being a vocalist and JK is a fantastic mainstream pop vocalist.
Nobody cares, Golden is still breaking records while you are still crying here😂😂
That's why I left the fandom. They're so damn toxic and sensitive.
@@kylediagon5444 thanks for stanning their fandom rather artists
RM, Suga and j-hope are the main lyricists in BTS. So it doesn't exactly shock me that JK didn't co-write the songs on his album. It's still a pity though. It feels as if he is not using his full potential.
It definitely wasn’t a kpop album though. He made it to be a pop album because that’s where he’s at in his career. I feel like it was a perfect intolerable to what more he can accomplish in mainstream pop music. We can’t lie to ourselves and say we didn’t see this coming for at least ONE member of BTS.
HYBE ruining the K-POP WORLD!
i listen to KPOP because of it's unique music videos and songs.
@@Onlyonewasinterestingit should be kpop and it should stay Korean. That’s what makes it special
@@Onlyonewasinteresting I hope all small companies rise and hybe loses everything and they go bankrupt if they start making English music
@@Onlyonewasinteresting because English music sucks it should be Korean
Txts and bts music is so bad now
i've been thinking this about kpop for a long time. thank you for talking about it!
For me , JK, eventho he sings in English ,I still sees him as a Korean artist. Why is it so wrong for an artist to sing in other languages? He already has loads of Korean songs and we know he can compose and write lyrics and even directed a music video. GOLDEN shows how versatile he is as a soloist artist and I respected how his pronunciation in English is on point. RESPECT JK.
Nothing wrong as long as the style is the same. "Dynamite" sounds too much like an American 80's Pop song. DNA is better.
@@XVa-uj8mThe visuals for Dynamite are 70s, so I’m not sure what American 80s songs you’d be referring to. Can you give an example?
@@HTE57 I am reminded of Michael Jackson. As someone quite familiar with the 80's era even if the look was 70's it sounded 80's. Oh and never forget each decade had some bleed over look into the next.
This is why when some try to make a movie or video look strictly one decade without any bleedover people will usually comment it is a bit strange.
Like Limited Run Games store looks strange. Very few to little stores in the 90's or 80's had that much neon.
It’s about money 💵 the companies don’t care about the artists
I love Jungkook but he needs to get out of that Charlie puth x Justin bieber son cave and makes his own sound.. Idk his songs weren't bad but it wasn't outstanding enough to distinguish him from other artists especially that he's targeting the western industry and I feel like that mainly why he didn't get nominated in grammys
@@Hrishi_07I'm sorry but what does go mean 😭
@@Hrishi_07 to get a grammy is not easy you have put alot work time and sacrifice alot things to get there and its lot harder than you think he is going up against other artist for grammy who have been doing this since they was child and not every artist gets grammy even though they are talented aswell and its ok your life doesnt stop if you dont get a grammy its about music not just about getting a award and then your done you should push for more
Almost every kpop group is releasing English language songs. Aespa has a number of them, while G-idle made an EP in English yet we can only blame Hybe. Saying NewJeans is taking Pinkpanthres and Le sserafim Rosalia yet we forget the whole Kpop is inspired by Black music and J-pop. What pple are mad about is Hybe coming frm nowhere and achieve all the success. It's all just bitterness. I agree about Junkook album but he also knew whY he was doing and did talk about
Sometimes I really don't like this channel because it's very misleading like there so many facts you could add but no I need to make this juicy and spread hate 🤡
Armys gonna come after me but this man is only speaking facts none of bts latest music were strong enough it's just armys streaming the hell out of it.. Thats why they have big numbers but don't get nominated or win awards outside of kpop anymore maybe even in kpop.. Please be realistic and stop over hyping mid music
After their 3 Eng songs, what other westernized did they produce to you other than jk and jm solos??? after JUST 3 songs, they released PROOF with bangers like YET TO COME and RUN BTS which is the generic kpop we love. then they released TAKE TWO as a comeback. After that, they didn't do any group comebacks. RM released INDIGO and yoongi released his solos and jhope and V too which were with the original kpop sound.
Now tell me, just how much did BTS become westernized for you guys to be reminiscing about past and saying you stopped listening or like their quality reduced??? I'm genuinely curious.
After Just 3 English songs and 2 members with pop sounding solos, what did BTS do deserve this much hate and criticism?? Against Hybe, i can understand but against BTS, I'm genuinely questioning your pov.
Jungkook always wanted to sing pop songs since childhood. He's been in this industry for 10 years giving us songs which we love, so why can't we let his give songs now which HE loves now?? is it so wrong to sing in English, which infact is his DREAM GOAL?? Why can't fans understand and accepts what he loves doing? as an artist, he too has his own desires and wants.
I don't know why fans demand songs from artist that should be to THIER liking rather that songs which the said artist love making or singing to.
Mid music has always been hyped since the 4th generation of Kpop groups started.Fans stream the hell out of other groups too for songs that are not that good, it's not just BTS.
Their last release had 3 new songs, yet to come, for youth and run BTS. All bangers especially run BTS. I'm not the biggest fan of their 3 total English releases but let's not pretend that they've release millions of English songs. Their albums have always been fantastic.
Um... have you listened do Run BTS?? Banger
Proof and be album are deserving don't shit if u don't know the proper info
Kpop is western music with a Korean infusion not the other way around. Even the dancing etc. Is old school western music. The industry is just catching up with what it has been imitating and trying to infiltrate for forever. The difference is that the door has finally been open after all the knocking.
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The reason why Jungkook is getting criticized is not because he wants to be a pop star, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, the problem is the means at which he is doing so. Releasing so many versions is crazy, how can one song have over 20 versions?? How can multiple versions be combined just to get high chart placement? Then his fans & others wanna praise him as the first to break this record or that record, the fastest to get to 1 billion streams without acknowledging the fact that it’s combined, so technically it wasn’t one song that did that. And like the video rightly states, Hybe is doing things to give the illusion of him being very big in the US individually when in reality, he’s not. Even pushing the “global pop star” label when in reality only his fan, the company and paid media call him that.
It’s ok if he wants to focus on the US and be a pop star here but I think the company should have taken it step by step, and acquired a genuine following as JK instead of all the crazy things they did. The truth is, those chart placement numbers are not indicative of reality at all. Then to top it off, you have his fans insulting other artists, calling them flops & all when his achievements were a result of all the industry games him & his company played.
And as far as I can tell BTS are the only people whose sales are matching streams. 4 million sellers and less than 100,000 streams for the title track on release day? Which one smells fishy? Because BTS was accused of sajaegi for "inflated" sales back then
Taylor Swift also released an eye-watering amount of versions and remixes to her music, far more than Jungkook, but not a single soul on earth would honestly delegitimize her success because her sales still match her streams. Jungkook’s sales still match his streams.
Also consider the fact that Jungkook is the more widely known member because he performed main theme song at the largest sporting event in the world- The World Cup. The World Cup is watched by more people than the Summer Olympics, so he gained a broader audience outside of his already massive core fanbase. Plus, Seven went viral not because of the multiple versions but because people picked up the Explicit version, which quickly outpaced the streams of the Clean version (even in South Korea). His monthly listeners on Spotify exceeded even BTS’ a few times while Seven was seeing its viral success. Seven Explicit version was at the top of the Global Spotify chart for weeks because it was legitimately viral, not because of some industry tactics.
@@Hrishi_07 lmao ofcourse one of his dumb childish fans. I’m in the US and not to burst your bubble but he’s known as a member of bts that’s it. And the collabs you yell about were all thanks to scooter. You better humble yourself before the truth humbles you.
@@Jess1013 you can’t really compare Taylor Swift and Jungkook. Taylor Swift is very big in the US, with or without versions she will get the streams and the sales. The thing is Jk is one of the popular members of bts, so his solo debut was going to be a success regardless, would it have been as it is now without all the industry games? Probably not, but it would have done well. My thing is, to gain actual success needs to be taken step by step but you can tell that the company & maybe JK were very desperate for high chart placement to prove a point. Honestly, I feel like if bighit & bts did not place their value on doing things organically in the past, then maybe people won’t have cared much. Armys always insulted other groups & artists for doing everything jk did/ is doing. They even called Taylor Swift fraudulent for her versions when Jk’s one song has over 20 versions/remixes. At the end of the day, if an artist depends on those games to chart high, and this is not just about Jk, then maybe they need to rethink their success because this is not a sustainable type of success. Just saying
Dude, there was no reason for Hybe to release x remixes to chart before Billboard changed rules 5 times because of BTS success, now even filtering sales. Now Hybe have to play a bit dirty too.
And everyone throwing around the word organic, when 99% of these other artistic acts are clearly pushed by radio payola and other shady tactics like millions of streams for these acts coming from a town with just like 5000 inhabitants or payed playlists, their albums hardly bought. Ya'll realize that Fifty Fifty success was not GP but heavily payed for?BigHit is not playing on an even field, no need to be the justice hero in a world full of enablers . It's funny how those "successful" artists on BB Hot 100 can't even pull a proper audience sometimes and free tickets have to be given out. Yet apparently BTS have "only fans". Yeah, millions of it, they fight for tickets and assemble in masses for a surprise event with 30 minutes notice on Times square, they cross oceans to hear BTS sing, but it's "ONLY" fans. And apparently GP is so much better, when GP don't bring you any money as the streams don't really bring money for the artists, and they will let you fall instantly for the next shaking a** or Tic Tok trend. So that critic can bitch all he wants, all the artists would probably cut a finger off for a fandom like ARMY over those charting successes if they had the choice.
I really need the critics to go more into the fact that this artists album sales are fraudulent. How can you sell 5 million albums but can’t even crack 2 million streams. In a normal world,the streams should be more than the album sales because not everybody buys the album,not everybody has the money but majority supports the album by listening to it,so critics should focus on that more and yea,am an ARMY but Hybe needs to be checked into,everything has been going wrong with their company, Bang Pd and their artists with their staff has been a bitch lately. With all that said and done,y’all need to check into WayV,those guys are amazing. And yea,it’s unfair what y’all say about BTS, 3 or 4 songs doesn’t make them westerners. If y’all wanna take it that way then almost every kpop idols is trying to be westerners because everyone of them has English songs,but then again,nothing they ever do can satisfy y’all.
Bang PD is not the CEO anymore that's why
Honey they got streams in their home country - Korea and in their main markets - Japan, China and SEA and spot fyi is not the only streaming platform on this earth.
@@98aishya are we still talk about seventeen here because we all know their streams in Korea alone is not up to their album sales. And people who don’t want to stream their faves songs keep talking about how Spotify is not the only streaming platform. Spotify and Apple Music are literally one of the biggest apps where people can stream songs. If you can make on those two,believe me you can make it on other streaming platforms too. I just want them to do an investigation on it because during 2nd and 3rd generations,album sales and song streams means a lot to this artists but lately seeing this fans throw away those albums after removing the photo cards breaks my heart. Nobody deserves such things.
@@BtsWayv77 oh don't wry, 30 albums in trash can won't even change the fact that they sold 16 million albums this year. And yeah SVT is the only boygrp this yr who charted in Apple Music global for nearly 2 months not even a boygrp from a certain gen. And China and Japanese markets combined is bigger than the US market/western market.Checkout Chinese and Japanese streaming platforms, Svt pulled the most no of digitals there, also FML was the 4th highest selling album in US with zero promotions there
I'm confused by fans surprise at Jungkook's pop album. He's expressed his interest in this type of music so many times. Why would you expect something else? Also Jungkook's priority has always been performance. He's said "I'm a performer before anything else." On top of that Jungkook's always wanted to be a pop star and I think his promotions + album has reflected his desires and focused on his target audience. Also why are bts members always shamed for singing in English. Do people not realize the xenophobic undertone of telling Korean artists they shouldn't sing in other languages but Korean.
ARMIES says that without bts kpop is nothing which is so annoying, no respect for the roots & seniors. Kpop is here from 90s .
Claiming BTS paved the way. Bullshit.
funny how you can think that an all english album is still considered k-pop. I'm felt like the album landed right where he wanted it to with a more chill vibe that caters to what american are used to
This takes me back to those days when HYBE was still just “BigHit” and they were struggling…look now…overly successful and now people are hating again?!?! I think they should tell other companies (the ones that were called THE BIG 3 when BigHit was still in the mud) to wake up, continue driving “K-pop” and leave HYBE alone…Thank You💜
The other 3 companies and so many small companies driving kpop so no need to tell them. And every company start from bottom only hybe isn't the only company that struggled
@@riakristy659 If they are driving K-POP I don’t see why people are worried about HYBE’s decisions (clearly HYBE has that much impact)…HYBE started from 0 and they were under estimated and grew with only ONE group so their level of “started from the bottom” cannot be measured the same as other companies…I don’t even know why you made this some comparison argument…you already know the truth.
Yes, everyone agree he has that impact but his opinion of removing k in kpop should have kept to himself. Whe is he generalizing all kpop to become pop which is not gonna happen , like speak about your company groups. He had humble beginning but now become arrongant and thinks he can can do anything
And why every hybe stan says "their hardwork can't be compare to anyone". Everyone's struggle is different don't belittle others............
I respect Jung Kook choice as an artist about what he wants with his debut album. If Korean music critics doesn’t like it well it’s too bad. I like that he challenged himself by singing all English that’s work and plus the choreography 👏👏 soo proud of him. 💜💜💜
Exactly like I agree with the critics but if Jungkook at this point doesn’t want to exactly be a Kpop idol and just be an artist that wants to appeal to either side. If truly he’s ok with that and doesn’t want to do more that’s fine.
Focusing just on Golden, I think if this is what Jk wanted to do, there’s no insincerity in the album. We all know that he could write songs himself if he wanted to. He did what HE wanted to do and he did it wonderfully. If anything, that is exactly what BTS and the members individually have stood for.
Yep leaving kpop if this keeps going on.
Bye 🖐
@@Soraya_Lama bye your ass
yall are so dramatic
@@hellokittyontop That's what's K-pop about. Shoo shoo
kpop has always been inspired by western music, and changed genres...nothing new, listen to the songs you like, that's it
Honestly I think BTS members are definitely deciding themselves in terms of music. Their solo stuff is all over the place and definitely shows their personality. I think Jungkook leans into the western industry simply because it gives him more freedom as a person. He’s said multiple times he’s not a child anymore and his look is very alt. However, I do want them to go back to their Fire and BST roots cause those were the best days. I also agree with what someone else said about Hybe being the Disney of kpop 😭😭😭 that is so accurate
Hybe is so arrogant for wanting to change the entire industry bc HE thinks that's what's best..
kpop music has always been changing and influenced by western music...nothing new
Since 1st gen like S.E.S. did a Korean cover of “Like A Fool” by Nylon Beat and called it Dreams Come True which aespa did a cover spin to match their style a little. I don’t understand why HYBE is being criticized for something that pretty much is set on their Mission/Vision “WE BELIEVE IN MUSIC” or why critiques are criticizing one company when practically ALL OF THEM are just as guilty. It has been slowly growing and it seems these critics are afraid of change.
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kpop has always taken inspiration from western pop music, one mid album isn't going to change the entire genre and neither is one billionaire's opinion. They're concerned about two things: HYBE taking away sales from the Big 3 and fandom figuring out how to translate that power into other causes.
I find it weird how everyone is speaking about bts, saying that they've been trying to change kpop ever since they released dynamite, but they don't say the same thing when superM or any other artist released an english single...+ all of this mess is caused because of jungkook's album that he clarified and said that the intention behind it is to be mainstream , korean media has always been trying to downplay bts's success and it's impact in the korean music industry and in korea itself, there has always been Michael Jackson's seducing moves, and short or exposed clothes, and pole dancing, twerking and many things that they concider "westernised", but because some small groups do it it's "iconic", double standards at its best🤷🏻♀️
Don't know if you got what i mean since english isn't my first language but you see people following kpop, despite the fact that 90% of those groups that they follow don't participate in their music, most of the songs are meaningless, but have some iconic lyrics because it's catchy, and when it's bts, it's "they used to release meaningful lyrics" or "they used to have stories, and participate in their music" when all what they care about is the aesthetics and the trendy clothes or choreographies, and if they've only watched bts last festa they would've known that the bts members themselves were stuck, because their english songs weren't supposed to happen, but the covid happened, and the enlistment was mandatory, now honestly i don't really care about what hybe's decisions or kpop's decisions are, because this also happened just last week when the bts members had their shares separated from bang pd's so they have now full sayings in hube and aren't controlled by anyone, I'm just waiting for bts's comeback to see what they got !
The album you are calling "mid" is rulling charts and breaking records worldwide, instead of focusing so much on BTS (legends btw) go focus on your mid favs and then maybe then they will succeed too🥱
@@BELIEVER78989The album was horribly mid. Jungkook is a better producer than singer (my man can barely sing) yet he is not involved in the production of a single song on the album??!!
This is my opinion so please be respectful and give feedback
So I’ve been listening for Kpop for a while now and the reason why I into to it was because of how different it was it didn’t sound like pop music it sounded like Kpop now when I listen to it still sounds like Kpop but its sounding more to appeal to the western audience which is fine but I’ve been listening to a lot of JPOP as well and when I listen to JPOP the sound is definitely JPOP they still have there unique sound and touch to it that makes it JPOP and there Passar concepts to and even though japan is the 2nd largest music industry they don’t bother appealing it to the American market cuss they don’t need to
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Exactly 💯
I agree I don't want K-pop to lose what it has just because someone thinks "it will do better."
You took my words ❤
You weren't listening to alt pop that's why kpop sounds different to you. Brit rock and J rock have their own elements that make them actual subgenres but there is no such thing as [insert random country] rock. When music is labeled with the country, it only pertains to the language, but it belongs to the right genre. On the other hand, Korean artists' music are shoved into kpop whether they be soul, moombahton, rnb, and everything else.
I don't think BTS owes anyone if they want to sing in English. If Justin Bieber decided to sing in Spanish, I don't think anyone would call him out and say he is doing disservice to Canadian music. Why is BTS held in different standards. I'm Korean American and I hope they do more English songs. There are so many that won't give Kpop/BTS a chance because they sing in another language that they can't understand. I've had coworkers and friends that said, "I don't understand what they are saying". If they want to reach a broader audience, they have every right to do so.
Music is listened by heart, not by brain. You don't need to understand a language to feel a song. And even if you're dying to understand the lyrics, there're bunches of subtitles videos in multi languages. Americans are just being ignorant, English isn't only option.
My friend said she doesn't want to bother and will also never watch foreign movies.@@ThantSan-lc8bn
@@ThantSan-lc8bnyeah, but Korean isn't either. Xenophobia runs in both ways, why is everyone suddenly bitching about English, when nearly all Kpop groups have Japanese albums for years. What's different? It's a foreign market with a foreign language. So what is problematic on the one that isn't on the other? Is it the "bad west" narrative, when indeed SK has probably better relations to the US than it has to Japan?
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Bruh, you're just pulling the point what you wanna. They usually release Japanese comebacks, Japanese versions and always sing in Japanese. They also do like this in US and the West target English songs. Full English and named English versions. Just know the difference, we're not complaining about that.
We're just complaining about the songs titled Korean comebacks but mostly sang in English and barely Korean lyrics. 🥴🤪 No one complained Nobody by Wonder Girls English version, The Boys by SNSD English version, etc. Who said SK and US has better relationship than Japan while Kpop system is originally inspired by Japan. And do you know? Japanese and Korean are neighbours and share similar folklores, cultures and many similar words, just different spellings. Their relationship is like a bitter-sweet. There's the reason why Kpop idols have to learn Japanese as their 3rd language.
each generation has it's own taste in music you can't force a company or a group or an artist to comeback to old music to satisfy a specific public
i guess many loves the current kpop music more than the old one , do you see them complain about the old kpop ? it's the same thing
jungkook's golden is just one of so many albums who did the same , you don't see them being criticized as much as him
who knows jungkook knows that he always has been fond of western and english music , and it does really fit him , also we loved it whenever he posted an english song cover .
so seing him following his dream and not forcing himself to stick to one genre of music does only make me more and more proud of him
If you don't like it, don't listen it, don't watch the music video, don't streaming, don't buy the album. It is simple. But haters don't satisfy if the person that they hate is suffer like they are. You can choose the music that you like. You can listen the music that feel "more k-pop" to you. Haters are stupid but cruel.
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@@erenlee5212 You can dislike anything or a person. But hating is not productive. Hating is only productive if you hate the criminal act or unmoral act. Uphold the justice. It is easy to say or to write, but very hard to implement.
@@erenlee5212he is right
KPOP it self is inspiration from West music. So its time to go back to roots. Sang Korean folklore if they want to keep Korean authentic and wear Hanguk
But Kpop has used rap and hip hop for decades and somehow that is OK? Folks can pick and choose which Western influence is fine and which isn't? Is it OK to have Japanese albums but NOT English? As far as Jungkook not writing his music/lyrics, MOST Kpop don't, that is why it is unusual when they do (like most western artsists also). Seems like he is more upset that it is so mainstream and 'popular' than anything or trying something different....god forbid. Maybe he really is 'standing in the fire' like he sang.
Literally, kpop has always been influenced by western music, music genres that were trending at the time
I'm confused with this! K-pop has always done this since the beginning of time. The only difference now is the use of social media and accessibility. Artists across the world all do this. Western artists do the same thing. Incorporate other sounds into their music partly or entirely. K-pop at the end of the day is pop music. So people at getting upset at jungkook for putting out pop music that he likes! Guys just enjoy the music and if you don't that's okay move on.
My thoughts exactly!!!!
Its nothing else but jealous kpopies barking again😂😂😂
Exactly, what do you expect from kpoppis they hate bts passionately now hating jks album 😂
@@BELIEVER78989keep crying to hate kpop fan los**, with monopoly capitalist
@@invisibleJKkeep crying
The streaming era has ruined not just kpop but western music as well....the figures are not authentic and artistry is based on how many streams you have...the digital era improved alot of things but it ruined even more!!! Only a VERYYYY few groups (maybe 1 or 2) still represent Kpop authentically in the western world
I.O.I took the chorus part of Salt and Pepa What A Man song and used it for their song. Dont remember anyone getting in an up roar about that.
Im from the future and you made me say ... I TOLD YOU SOOOOOO !!!
Isn't the fact that the music they make sits well with people around the world a good thing?
Literally there are more intl fans than Asian fans in kpop but let me explain their mindser for you firstly it's not for the audience it's for the recognition and validation for the music awards and this esh also Bang nim has been for years trying to add his company to the big3 equation what I mean he did multiple controversial things like taking down v live and recently fighting bbl with weverse and trying to buy sm all of this he just want to rule the industry.. When they can't even have an og concept of them and will keep benefitting our of bts name for the rest of their lives
FR LIKE WHY ARE PEOPLE SO SAD ABOUT IT
@@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechan I'm not talking about the industry people being crazy money craving fiends most of the time. I'm talking about the fans and critics shitting on groups or solo idols for singing songs that fit into "western" standards. Calling someone a sellout just because they have an all around the world successful song is kinda ridiculous especially when the world actually has a lot of different more important issues to worry about than a song being on some charts. Who fucking cares about some charts.
No.
Hybe is a CRIMINAL SYNDICATE.
It's good until hybe et al gets obsessed with a particular market. Then content gets watered down to permeate multiple markets. Artists get subpar title tracks or singles to promote in Japan or the US, for example.
i literally became a kpop fan BECAUSE it didnt sound like ur ordinary western song, so yes it doesnt sit right with me that now they’re trying to transform kpop into an ordinary western song🤕
If HYBE removes the K in Kpop(Inhales) THINGS ARE GONNA GET CRAZY!!!
The numbers are always inorganic when it comes to Hybe … CONVENIENT!
what's bothersome is that hybe doesn't even tries to hide the fact the company doesn't care about music, it only cares about money and domination. and by doing that they strip Korean/Asian artists off their indentity, release bland generic music, recycle same sounds and concepts. Kpop became successful because it offers something new to the world' audience. those who are interested in kpop don't want to hear copypaste of Western acts.
Kpop groups make most of their money overseas, Not in Korea. Kpop is a business.. previously their biggest markets were Japan and China … in 2016 because of political reasons they could not promote in China so they started to shift their focus… since America is the #1 music industry in the world and BTS broke through in 2017 it makes sense that they would all start to focus on the west… sadly the creativity aspen of Kpop has taken a hit… they are definitely more American trend focused.
*aspect
I miss the days of 9 Muses, Kara, T-ara, F(x), Miss A, Girls' Generation, AoA, Sistar, and Secret. The shows like Invincible Youth, and the stage collaborations/covers of other groups as well. Now days I find myself only casually listening to most groups, as their releases are so different. Although past groups had different concepts, they usually had a similar sound, something that made them stand out. They were incredibly catchy too. Some songs these days are catchy too, but often I would find myself repeating the song right after. Now if lucky, it'll pop into my head a week later or something and I have to listen to it.
Special mentions to Infinite's "Come Back Again" and "The Chaser", U-KISS's "Tick Tack", MBLAQ's "Mona Lisa" and "This is War", 2PM's "Again and Again" and "Heartbeat", TVXQ's "Keep Your Head Down".
Fortunately SM bring back 2nd vibes through RIIZE. Hopefully there's more new Idol KPop bring back 2nd vibes in their songs.
@@IcePrince9876 That's interesting, but I'm also not typically interested in groups debuting lately because they're so much younger. I'll definitely give them a listen, but my fan days are gone. I'd support my faves if they came back though.
2nd gen K-pop is evergreen. Concepts,songs, genre, artistry one can go on and on. Felt nice that people still listen to these talented groups :)
The songs seem to have gotten shorter too. Le sserafim's perfect night is 2 min 39s long. Enhypen sweet venom is 2 min 30s long. &TEAM war cry is 2 min 19s long.
I blame tiktok for that
Hybe will hv a downfall if this happens
Many 2nd-3rd gen fans will leave
2nd gen fans should be starting families by now since they are 30+
There's a reason Kpop is gaining popularity in the west and it's not because it resembles American music.
The argument about it sounding western is very weak. K-pop's influence is western - hip hop, rap, R&B, funk, blues, soul, did not originate from Korea. Even the word "pop" is western. Many legends in pop music (e.g. Whitney, Celine) did not write most of their songs either.
this is quite a balanced take i like it. i think the point where kpop is now partaking in musical trends in real time is the main thing.
K-pop is no longer the genre. It is a community/industry, because each company/artist has a different type of sound but because of the expansion, I do feel. You also have to realize Korea is a very conservative country. They hold respect, culture, honor and traditions to a much higher standard… and today’s artist are not following the same traditions within writing of songs. A lot of the older Koreans hold the Korean language to a high standard, and having artist sing items in Korean show huge amount of honor and respect. So I can understand the older generations, being a little bit sour about how many Korean artist are now putting more English songs into an album than Korean.
KATSEYE isn’t even kpop, it’s a global girl group under a korean label, People only like kpop because it’s korean music and has its own vibe, Not something for westernization
THATS WHY SM ENT. SLAYS STICKING TO THEY OG ROOTS IN KOREAN MUSIC & POP WITH TINY ENGLISH WORDS !!
👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Its not just the westernization, its also the fact songs are getting repetitive, the same lyric over and over again and it just feels boring. also, some songs are even getting rid of the bridges which sucks even more
Ngl the critic has a fair point Hybe is just mass producing and rewriting other industries work and trying to put a K in there
All the discographies of hybe artists is a knock of black American music they take jazz sounds and sped them with a touch of Korean instruments
I be listening and questioning where did I hear this melody from now I understand!
@@gabrielthuu yeah it's like I get inspiration but recycling and calling it "reaching other audiences is BS" look at groups like SNSD, FX, Sister, AOA. Then look at Blackpink(sampling every iconic AA artist song like in Pink venom) then look at Le Sserafim(heavy on the profiting off Rosalia) etc.
BTW I'm aware that Blackpink isn't a Hybe group
JK,clearly mentioned in his interview that International music market is the target for his album. And BTS members are exploring various music areas they are interested. This is almost same conversation when BTS got famous in the US people said they lost their root and forgot their culture,then we got IDOL. They are true to themselves and their ART. People run their mouth before getting to know them. And some ARMYs are easily manipulated and they just go with the narratives. STOP it and take your time to watch all of BTS interviews and see what they are saying. Some of you don't watch the official contents but say whatever.
Agreed all this people gonna shut down after 2025
@@user-jy7vx6nt1b True. I am waiting for BTS to break all the speculations.
Kpoppis always barking don’t take them seriously
@@invisibleJK yeah agreed but they went to far that called him ped@ , r@pist , many more how sick they r truly now attacking rm fr no reason and calling him ugly telling him to stay away from aespa karina :(
@@user-jy7vx6nt1b ikr, namjoon is getting unnecessary hate from kpoppis!! what do you expect from them..
I don't have an issue with the kpop industry being influenced by western music, because its kind of ALWAYS been like that. All music is influenced by some other music. HOWEVER, I do think that some HYBE groups are losing individuality in their music and their songs are starting to sound like any old charting pop song here in the West. Any charting Jungkook song I've heard recently has sounded like it could have been written by Charlie Puth. It definitely doesn't help that they're all in English (iirc). This is not the music that I personally look for when I want to listen to K-pop. I also think that Hybes biggest groups are losing their individuality from one another, though I don't really know if they even had it since the all debuted within just a few years of each other. The only group I can say that for sure seems to have their own sound is Seventeen, probably because the members are heavily involved in their music production.
It's crazy how nowadays you can't sing in a different language without being criticized. Remember when Nat King Cole sang in different languages? He did it because he loved learning about different cultures.
It's really annoying
Jungkook said in one live that he will like to be a kpop star that can do everything inside the mainstream, he did an amazing job, I love the album ❤ probably in the future will be a kpop album, I agree with your opiniom at the end, thank u for standing for our kookie🎉
So true , if big group do these what should we expect from other group
BTS is global group. No one considers them as kpop after 2020. But the fact kpop companies tries "bts formula" including hybe is the problem right now.
The only reason people get into kpop is because it doesn't sound like basic pop music. Bang sihyuk wants to make another BTS so bad but thats not how things work. That being said let's not ignore that 6 other members released music that didn't sound pop at all. People are willing to ignore the work of 6 other members just because Jungkook released an album in English?
People just want to hate on BTS atp because they only have 3 English songs, their albums have always had variety of genres and sounds. People only listen to title Tracks and pretend to be experts on their music.
This is a personal project of Jungkook, this is not about Kpop. Music is subjective, that is his opinion because he is a Korean. But JK's fans are not just Korean. What is the problem with going for a larger audience and making an album where some of his fans can sing his songs. He is not the Korean Music Industry, why pressure him to make music that will uplift KPop. Definitely, he doesnt know JK. Jungkook is a SINGER he is not a SONGWRITER. If you look in the dictionary a singer interprets the song and a songwriter writes the song. Singing in Eng does not strip one of his nationality. Why limit JK to Kpop when his talent is for global.
But... but... the whole pr strategy of then-bighit for the last 7 years was about bts being songwriters!!!🤣🤣
JK has already proven that he can write songs, he has already 22 songs i think in KOMCA. But in chapter 2 he wants to challenge himself as a singer not a songwriter. Ch 2 is suppose to be something diff fr what he was doing as BTS member. Recording an all english album and performing them live, no matter how simple or common the lyrics and melodies is a great effort considering he is not good in speaking conversational english. But saying that his album is not good just bec he did not write the song is just unfair. He can write a song if he wants, but he wants some kind of music that he knows someone can write it better than him. He sees himself more as a singer, as a performer than a songwriter. If the other members wrote their songs, its their choice. V did not write his songs but he did not get the hate like jk just bec his songs are partly sang in Korean. So it means its not the songwriting but it the all english songs that pissing them off and bec it was in collaboration with Hybe America. I am just going to wait if they will respond the same way if V and Jimin released their english songs.
when people make improvement or upgrading in music they said kill the originality..
when people is very successful they said it's not genuine...
by end of the day....nobody satisfy.
If they are removing “k” from “k-pop” then I'm leaving k-pop!
No one cares what that critic thinks because at the end of the day Golden has the numbers and JK is a super star😊
Bruh🙃