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This video I feel while it leans towards China's side, it overall says that China is a totalitarian regime, Bill Clinton was wrong, and China's citizens are blind to the real world because of the state media
China should kowtow to us. Not us to them. We must be prepared to suffer rather than abandon our values and allow restrictions of rights. They are giving people scores now. Not credit scores, but value as a human scores. Considering the population imbalance there, we should be prepared for when they are forced to try and expand their territory
Imagine your favorite athlete public says "I support ISIS, what they do is right" and the NFL manager public supports him and says He has freedom of speech. Boom! logic hmm? freedom hmm? human right hmm? Our US consumers don't deserve an apology hmm? Everything for money hmm?
@@beef-jerky China's form of government is right for China and has led more than a billion people out of poverty whereas US constructed a crisis that nearly brought down the entire financial system which is better?
From Judd Apatow, two days ago: "We started trading with China in the hope that they would be enticed by our freedom but what happened was we became addicted to their money and traded our freedom for it."
I understand all of what you said such as freedom of expression. But, there is only one thing I had to mention. every country has its red lines. And in China, any single comment that tried to break up our country and spilled our territory badly hurt and offense our values and dignity. We welcome anyone from the world to be our friends and earn money in China. But, respecting our people's values and dignity should be concerned. I don't think it is an undue request just like when we come to America, we respect your lifestyle, your values, your concern and your respect of the black people. I sincerely hope you can understand these. what Daryl Morey said is right a free comment and a free expression, but it broke up our red line, and as a normal and independent country, we have the right to let you decide to respect us or be the enemy. I really don't think it is unreasonable. And also, I always wonder that you guys always think our Chinese people are suppressed by the CCP or Chinese government. But, what is joyful is that you are not Chinese. I, as a real real and can't be more real Chinese people, guarantee that our life couldn't be finer, we feel safe and free and be respected in China! I beg you guys never use "we want to free Chinese people" as a slogan to interfere with or restrict or blame China any longer! Find other reasons if you have, we don't need "your help" at all. in a word, firstly, IT IS RIGHT AND FEASIBLE TO RESPECT OTHER COUNTRIES' OR NATIONS' RED LINES. secondly, PLEASE DO NOT SAVE US FROM CCP, WE DO NOT NEED THAT AS A NAME OF FREEDOM. I entirely hope we can respect each other equally and be great friends.
Dasd Da ? That's horrible but that still doesn't remove the fact that in Hong Kong, half the seats are not up for a vote in the legislative council so corporations and mainland China will always control the people of Hong Kong. There are sometimes violent acts from Palestinians against Israelis but that doesn't remove the fact how they are occupied people with little rights. China execute the most people in the world. The US kills thousands in drone strikes. Governments are just better at lookong less violent than protesters and can be much more discrete with murder.
human rights are relative in politics given that the biggest violator in modern history, the united states of america, is never given even a small percentage of the scrutiny their adversaries take.
@@minus21334 You know about one man who died by the other side but you don´t know about the millions who got murdered by your side. A man was shot by the police and millions get censored because they disagree with your government. Is this ok for you?
@小熊维尼 strongest for the past 4000 years? Sure, if you exclude most of modern history. I dont deny China is 'strong' now, but to say that its strength has spanned over 4000 years is just dilusional.
@小熊维尼 Yes and no. It's always been one of the biggest countries with the biggest populations. Though that does not necessarily mean "strong", let alone "strongest". If you look through those 4000 years of history, the meaning of the term and the countries claiming that title of "strongest" have been all over the place (though yes, that also includes China). Also it's not necessarily US being an anomaly for the past 200 years. It's rather that we've seen the "fall and rise" of China, where it kept tripping over its own feet until only the past two decades.
The last year-and-a-half has seen a steady escalation of a trade war between the world’s two major capitalist powers, the United States and China. This dispute takes place against the background of the world economy undergoing a period of what has been described as “slowbalisation” and a reversal of the process of globalisation
dunno man, I think china is scarier base on their growth and slowly controlling over countries. Its like china is playing chess while the world is playing checkers
china also got huge population as we all know.. many companies depends on those people and may be a big loss for them if they cut ties and economy will also decrease.
@@LuElv1 You don't necessarily give up "natural Liberty," which was the type of Liberty Franklin was commenting on. In fact, you cannot give up natural Liberty without creating a paradox. Natural Liberty can only be stripped by the use of force. The most pure natural Liberty is liberty of thought. Second to that is liberty of speech. And finally, there's the liberty of self ownership. If you give any of these up, how can you continue to do so of your own free will. You have effectively destroyed your own free will, which is impossible. Because how could you sustain not having a free will without a free will to do the sustaining with. This is what Franklin is referencing. To maintain civilization and order one need only forgo the ancillary benefits of existence, but not existence itself. And houman existence boils down to these three things: freedom of thought, freedom of speech, and self ownership.
A similar incident recently occurred involving Arsenal (one of Europe's biggest soccer clubs) over their player (Mesut Ozil) posting his condemnation at China's treatment of the Uighur community in the country's North-West region. It led to an Arsenal match being pulled from Chinese television.
@@chaospilot2142 you know businesses and corporations exit in China, albeit under their surveillance and compliance, right? Most of them are public and you can buy and sell their stocks.
You all act like it was just the nba and Lebrun, before it was this bad there were most likely white men, who made low key deals that led to all this. Think about a full picture instead of just memes.
Oh lebron James, I thought “injustice is a threat to justice everywhere” or are these injustices you speak of only relevant when they don’t threaten your bank account?
@@tyrokertaylor1723 thats not what he's talking about. He's talking about the hypocrisy in talking about human rights when your taking money from one of the biggest offenders. Take the money but don't pretend that you stand for something else.
@@greenstill58 You realise is not just his money that is on the line, right? Lebron can probably live a good life not earning a single cent from now on. But thousands of people working at NBA is not.
@@kaixuanjaw3173 I never said dont take money from China. Take the money but don't pretend to be better then the rest when you happily take money from China.
why would you have to promote your values in business? Becaus you always right, and any different means someone else is wrong? Business should stay business, not poltics
And we have problems, too. Why your companies and business like comment so much even only know one side story, we have deep bound with hongkong. 80% water of hongkong comes froms mainland, and all they cost is a paper says we are short of water.
If you are willing to study the monetary policy and international trade and economics, you will understand that everything you advocate will have an unintended consequence. BTW, Apple needs China way more than China needs Apple cuz around 30% of iPhone sales come from China.
More like "Why the NBA censored itself in order to please China". The NBA didn't have to walk anything back. They chose to do so in order to ensure profit. Such is capitalism where enough money is stronger than any conviction.
Which means you cant ride trains or cabs anymore btw. Good luck not starving, and try to save your women! The Chinese government wants all women over 15 "Breed Ready"
@@thonks8729 Capitalism is focused on one specific freedom. And that is private ownership of property. Now when we talk about property in this context we focused on utility producing property. Thing that help you make stuff or services. Sadly this actually often comes in to conflict with the notion of you being able to be self sustaining. The system of Capitalism is not only OK with people working for other people. But promotes this from of relationship as something good. Someone own the factory, farmland, building and so on you work in and is not you (For most people in a capitalist model that is. There are of course exceptions). As such your not really free. Especially not if we hold that private prosperity right are above all other rights. In such a system you do as your told when you employed by someone else or just exist on there property. There commands are laws not to be broken as doing so not respecting someone private property rights. This is by far not a new concept. In fact old feudalism works on a similar mode. Though the rights officially often is given by god, then transferred to the king which may then transfer it to other feudal lords. (Though in reality is more that the guy with commands most troops and arms gets to decide and we created some sort of justification for this sort of power balance to help them strength there claim.) Anyway with such strict adherence to property rights it can really be exploited to oppress people. You need other rights to. And modern democracies actually do try to provide you with lot of rights. Right that may limit prosperity rights. You are for example not allowed to excuse someone on you own property in most parts of the world. Especially not that person is considered invited (but most part of the world actually have laws against putting up traps and using to much violence against trespassers to) Again people tend to conflate this other rights with a part of capitalism but that is not something you should be sure are there. And when these right are there there actually limiting private ownership rights in some ways. Naturally I could go on in to more detail. This is actually a extremely complex topic and we likely need to get down to just setting our definitions first so we know we talking on the same level. These terms can mean different thing to different people. Like the term Private Property vs Personal Property used by some can get people confused who are not used to the jargon. But I think this post is long enough. Especially since my original post was just a once sentence statement meant to make people think about the terms and how mixing them up can be problematic.
I love the NBA but this is a situation between money or ethics. So you either stand up to the wrong doing to China and basically erasing half or more of your whole fan base and losing a large amount of your income or turn a blind eye and earn billions of dollor from China. To the NBA it was a no brainer and would take the second option. any day of the week.
I'm clear. China is now the verge violating OUR rights through economical enslavement. If it goes on, we should all stop trading with China. If this ends up in economical enslavement
"All" the shots would be an overstatement... US did literally just destroy Huawei's reputation in the West, blocking them from crucial Android updates and banning them from distribution in some places (namely the US). I think "Money is calling all the shots" would be more accurate. Those China millions coming in from NBA = 100s/1000s of jobs in the US too, so it's a double-edged sword, no doubt.
This is why the US really needs to push India to develop faster. The US and rapidly developing India working together would be a powerful counter force to China.
@@krim7 One of the thing I hate Trump for this. He took office and cut off deal with Vietnam. To fight China, US need to empower all countries neighboring China, those countries are more afraid of China than anything.
nobody puts a gun to their head. they can choose to comply with chinas demands and keep doing business there, or they can choose not to do business there.
Nhzharuthopar they do have a choice , but at the end of the day it is about money that’s billions of dollars they are just gonna give up , not only that but NBA players shoes are made in China for a ridiculously low price ... they know it’s ethically wrong , but with that much money coming in they do not want to give them up .
Um the NBA stood by Morey and refused to bend to China. I have no idea why the public narrative is that the NBA kowtowed to China when they defended freedom of speech and lost billions in the process. What else should they have done?
The West should never have invested in China in the first place. It's like feeding a small monster and expect it to grow into a good monster. A monster is forever a monster, you can't change its nature.
When I moved to China, I actually thought Yao Ming was just famous for doing adverts. He was advertising about 6 different products on TV simultaneously.
Fun Fact: NBA players are black! Also, if you want to talk about Hong Kong, then talk about it. You expecting others to do work you want them to is called laziness
Very well put Vox.Thank you for not taking a direct political stance but rather supplying information for the viewer to interpret what is being said for themselves and not just being force fed ideologies.
How ironic that the guy who nearly ended NBA China relations was the GM of the team that drafted first pick the Chinese legend and NBA legend (for business of course).
Morey was absolutely within his right and its so infuriating that so many people in the US have tried to say he shouldn't have said that. We are supposed to be a free democracy but apparently not when pockets are deep
First of all, the US is about 7800 miles away from hk so it doesnt actually concern them. Most BLM protesters aren’t actually black and are white people feeling the need to interfere. Hong Kong rightfully belongs to china, even if their political standpoints are different. You can’t just say that hk isnt apart of china. Thats like saying hawaii isnt apart of the US, even tho the US did illegally and brutally take over hawaii, the place is still theirs
I live in China and people in China and people on Chinese social media already forgot why they were angry. Everyone is back to loving basketball and the NBA.
ive watched countless videos on this incident, so i thought about not watching this one for a second just because I already know what went down, but man Vox is really able to provide so much new information and backstory that no one else puts effort into researching, thank you for this great video
@steve crawford god do you even know that Shanghai is currently running out of underground space cuz to the metro? Plz use your mind to fabricate a story. It's like we say there is a ton of US spies post comment on social media (Like Weibo) in order to break down China in NewYork. A spy has been caught on social media by people using the internet cuz the weird self-introduce (I'm from the north of China, Chinese just identify themselves by province in most cases) and lack of knowledge of Chinese meme, while he explain that he is too old to understand the meme the viewer found it's impossible cuz the meme started at 1996 Spring Festival and repeated on TV for years. It's considered a classic show.
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This video I feel while it leans towards China's side, it overall says that China is a totalitarian regime, Bill Clinton was wrong, and China's citizens are blind to the real world because of the state media
Now reverting to the results, NBA is expanding its Bussiness in India. Please make a video on this also
China should kowtow to us. Not us to them. We must be prepared to suffer rather than abandon our values and allow restrictions of rights. They are giving people scores now. Not credit scores, but value as a human scores. Considering the population imbalance there, we should be prepared for when they are forced to try and expand their territory
Imagine your favorite athlete public says "I support ISIS, what they do is right" and the NFL manager public supports him and says He has freedom of speech. Boom! logic hmm? freedom hmm? human right hmm? Our US consumers don't deserve an apology hmm? Everything for money hmm?
@@beef-jerky China's form of government is right for China and has led more than a billion people out of poverty whereas US constructed a crisis that nearly brought down the entire financial system which is better?
From Judd Apatow, two days ago: "We started trading with China in the hope that they would be enticed by our freedom but what happened was we became addicted to their money and traded our freedom for it."
Perfectly said.
woahhhh
Yep. As the saying goes, "The love of money....."
Totally wasn’t a cynical use of “freedom and democracy” to enrich themselves and the billions class
The freedom to create 2008 financial crisis that took down the global economy...or freely elect incompetent presidents...that's enticing indeed
Harden didnt even know what he was apologizing about.
Tomato soup
That is the bad side of capitalism, they have to do what their bosses ask for.
Suraj Verma that’s not capitalism, it’s facism
hahahahaha
@@TaiwanLife2024 and the bad side of communism is if u don’t do what ur boss asks for u get the axe
NBA: China bad but money good so we stay friends
Capitalism in a nutshell
Don't criticize our system! I like it the way it is! Business with China is more important than some irrelevant protest.
@@luxembourgishempire2826 Irrelevant?
@@anihtek yeah irrelevant...what is relevant is having US presence in Syria where the true threat is
@@anihtek What do you mean?
Wise man once said, having morals is not profitable.
China would beg to defer
"Any society that will give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both" - Benjamin Franklin
demoralizing entire countries and populations is profitable, it's what the US is good at.
A wise man also said that Ideology and politics plays second to pragmatism
@@rickychen7103 then why does USa have law?
every player looks like they’re being held at gunpoint in this
@Gela A wrong ask klay thompson
D W 0:00 you’re really gonna tell me shaq looks happy in that picture
@Gela A people buy there swag and they get a % they do commercial and ads in china. They definitely do make money from China.
Probably are.
they are held by money. everyone wants to make money
Everybody is a so-called "pro-democracy freedom fighter" until their wallet is directly tied to the matter
Nba are full of sellouts.
Not everyone
I think Shaq came out and said China was wrong. Not all are sell outs
Unless there's no money to begin with.
@@thenoicemango1827 ehh he also said to respect to China's Values. So he still refrains from criticism
US: we are the best
China: take that down and apologise
US: right away sir!
Comments in 2019 but posted a video 6 years ago smh
Manuel Ruiz and why is that relevant?
@@sylky6900 umm who r u exactly let him defend himself
Lewis LA ✎ Its frankly disgusting
@@sumtingwong2768 what do you even mean by that? No relevance.
This video should have been titled,"NBA sells out to China"
The entire USA sells Out to China
If it's a vox video you also have to put the classic "how" and "why" in there
True
"I'd stand with Hong Kong, but China bought me a fancy new chair"
M3ŘĶ Don’t talk to me if your chair doesn’t have a child skull on it 😤✋
I understand all of what you said such as freedom of expression. But, there is only one thing I had to mention. every country has its red lines. And in China, any single comment that tried to break up our country and spilled our territory badly hurt and offense our values and dignity. We welcome anyone from the world to be our friends and earn money in China. But, respecting our people's values and dignity should be concerned. I don't think it is an undue request just like when we come to America, we respect your lifestyle, your values, your concern and your respect of the black people. I sincerely hope you can understand these. what Daryl Morey said is right a free comment and a free expression, but it broke up our red line, and as a normal and independent country, we have the right to let you decide to respect us or be the enemy. I really don't think it is unreasonable.
And also, I always wonder that you guys always think our Chinese people are suppressed by the CCP or Chinese government. But, what is joyful is that you are not Chinese. I, as a real real and can't be more real Chinese people, guarantee that our life couldn't be finer, we feel safe and free and be respected in China! I beg you guys never use "we want to free Chinese people" as a slogan to interfere with or restrict or blame China any longer! Find other reasons if you have, we don't need "your help" at all.
in a word,
firstly, IT IS RIGHT AND FEASIBLE TO RESPECT OTHER COUNTRIES' OR NATIONS' RED LINES.
secondly, PLEASE DO NOT SAVE US FROM CCP, WE DO NOT NEED THAT AS A NAME OF FREEDOM.
I entirely hope we can respect each other equally and be great friends.
@M3ŘĶ So, have you thrown out everything out of your house that is Made in China? Obnoxious people!
@M3ŘĶ Some papers.. but with values
You sure there's only the chair? How about some nice hat, shirt, and shoes?
Ok so money is more important than human rights, nothing new.
human right? an old man was set up on fire today for disagreeing with the hong kong rioters.
@@minus21334 That is just a crime commited by ordinary citizens. You don't call that 'violation of human rights'
Dasd Da ? That's horrible but that still doesn't remove the fact that in Hong Kong, half the seats are not up for a vote in the legislative council so corporations and mainland China will always control the people of Hong Kong. There are sometimes violent acts from Palestinians against Israelis but that doesn't remove the fact how they are occupied people with little rights. China execute the most people in the world. The US kills thousands in drone strikes. Governments are just better at lookong less violent than protesters and can be much more discrete with murder.
human rights are relative in politics given that the biggest violator in modern history, the united states of america, is never given even a small percentage of the scrutiny their adversaries take.
@@minus21334 You know about one man who died by the other side but you don´t know about the millions who got murdered by your side. A man was shot by the police and millions get censored because they disagree with your government. Is this ok for you?
China used to be the one who's trying to please US and now US is the one trying to please China. Wheel of life.
And it looks like China is serious of staying on top 😕
@小熊维尼 strongest for the past 4000 years? Sure, if you exclude most of modern history.
I dont deny China is 'strong' now, but to say that its strength has spanned over 4000 years is just dilusional.
@小熊维尼 Yes and no. It's always been one of the biggest countries with the biggest populations. Though that does not necessarily mean "strong", let alone "strongest". If you look through those 4000 years of history, the meaning of the term and the countries claiming that title of "strongest" have been all over the place (though yes, that also includes China).
Also it's not necessarily US being an anomaly for the past 200 years. It's rather that we've seen the "fall and rise" of China, where it kept tripping over its own feet until only the past two decades.
NBA doesn't represent all of USA bud
The last year-and-a-half has seen a steady escalation of a trade war between the world’s two major capitalist powers, the United States and China. This dispute takes place against the background of the world economy undergoing a period of what has been described as “slowbalisation” and a reversal of the process of globalisation
When Money is more important than Ethics and truth....
It has been that way since the start of human civilization buddy.
Gotta put Chinese food on the table.
Lol really the USA don't care a ethics all they want is to remain a superpower and make every country capitalist which is very bad
Uighur lives matter
@@mikemikeetoo9094 but don’t all countries use capital?
USA: We are the free world
CHINA: hold my money
you mean nba/disney. USA is winning the trade wars with china.
Yeah. Free world free bullet! Hope every like you are get free bullet!
haha USA and their people losing their confident，they only have“freedom ” for just say fxxk to president and do nothing🤣🤣🤣
@@trump2807 yes long live qing dynasty
More like
USA: We are the free world
CHINA: How much is free?
"America is for sale" - Kanye West
Not worth buying it
he would sell his mouth for anyone who gives money
With Kanye West leading the way LOL🤣😂🤣😂🤣!
He would, because he keeps walking into street signs here. Maybe he would do better somewhere without sufficient *roads*
@@HaruSakamoto That's not what the Chinese think. They see the USA as a massive farm and they have billions of mouths to feed.
I wish any of these big American companies had some morals.
Destroy the profit motive then
Then when your economy goes down you will blaming Obama Trump or China?
South Park still has its tegrIdy
If wishes were horses....
how much can you sell morals for?... I thought so.
Can’t believe we just made another USSR because we wanted a trade deal.
dude now they both are threatening to democracy
@MANCHESTER UNITED F.C it's football not soccer.Only US call it as soccer
☠️China has so much control over US companies it is sad
dunno man, I think china is scarier base on their growth and slowly controlling over countries. Its like china is playing chess while the world is playing checkers
china also got huge population as we all know.. many companies depends on those people and may be a big loss for them if they cut ties and economy will also decrease.
Imagine trying to make a country more liberal and democratic but in the end giving up their own freedom.
Sir Casm that was just Clinton’s excuse. It was always about china being open to US investment.
Sounds the plot of a horror movie
You mean the Patriot Act?
Give up freedom to intervene others domestic affairs ¿
It's nba, Disney who are ruining the world.
In this world only the language of money is understandable
which is what clinton is all about
its at least the easiest to do
@J.C. Denton no, violence in fuction of money.
Sad how people worship inanimate objects such as money... Money is good, but it’s not that special.
"Any society that will give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both" - Benjamin Franklin
Living in a society means you give up freedoms for security, thats the main reason we dont live in chaos.
@@LuElv1 You don't necessarily give up "natural Liberty," which was the type of Liberty Franklin was commenting on. In fact, you cannot give up natural Liberty without creating a paradox. Natural Liberty can only be stripped by the use of force. The most pure natural Liberty is liberty of thought. Second to that is liberty of speech. And finally, there's the liberty of self ownership. If you give any of these up, how can you continue to do so of your own free will. You have effectively destroyed your own free will, which is impossible. Because how could you sustain not having a free will without a free will to do the sustaining with. This is what Franklin is referencing. To maintain civilization and order one need only forgo the ancillary benefits of existence, but not existence itself. And houman existence boils down to these three things: freedom of thought, freedom of speech, and self ownership.
1 Timothy 6:10.......................................................😐
That's Reality. It's the FUTURE.
Piyush Mahadik And now it seems America only cares about getting Benjamin Franklins
Benjamin Franklin is Benjamin Franklin, his not god and his words shouldn't be taken for granted.
A similar incident recently occurred involving Arsenal (one of Europe's biggest soccer clubs) over their player (Mesut Ozil) posting his condemnation at China's treatment of the Uighur community in the country's North-West region. It led to an Arsenal match being pulled from Chinese television.
Oh
Well it's his choice to be idealistic eventually. If I really love Arsenal, I would be realistic and refrain from talking about Uighurs.
It eventually led to a point where Ozil was completely ousted from the squad and he left the clubs as a result. Sad.
@@aadithya7139You must not be a football fan if you think that's why Özil was dropped. He couldn't even perform in Turkish league after he left.
we wanted to entice them with our capitalism but we got addicted to their money
America were the ones to get enticed with China's capitalism rather.
Well say..
@@DakanFluff In China its more like national socialism.
It was done for money...period.
@@chaospilot2142 you know businesses and corporations exit in China, albeit under their surveillance and compliance, right? Most of them are public and you can buy and sell their stocks.
Lebron James has left the chat
@Mr. P. Enis LeBron called Daryl Morey uneducated on the situation, but completely backtracked once he got a load of criticism from national media.
Lebron got it right; following the naive populists is what got you the current president
@@metrolights891 Then why did he completely back track on what he said? If he genuinely believed what he said, he would've stayed put, but he didn't.
@@vince__2k didn't back track. You should look at Charles Barkley's comment. "Pence should shut the f*** up" NBA players are united on this
You all act like it was just the nba and Lebrun, before it was this bad there were most likely white men, who made low key deals that led to all this. Think about a full picture instead of just memes.
Next episode: The Blizzard controversy, Explained.
As somebody who's been too busy studying to pay any attention, what's up with Blizzard now?
@@azdgariarada same story different actors
It'd basically be the same video
it can easily be a 200 episode series with diffrent brands
Pretty much the same story. Just replace basketball with whatever games blizzard makes and you get the picture
Oh lebron James, I thought “injustice is a threat to justice everywhere” or are these injustices you speak of only relevant when they don’t threaten your bank account?
Yeah because he totally doesn't have a family to look after or be the reason for war breaking out think before you criticize
@@tyrokertaylor1723 thats not what he's talking about. He's talking about the hypocrisy in talking about human rights when your taking money from one of the biggest offenders. Take the money but don't pretend that you stand for something else.
@@greenstill58 You realise is not just his money that is on the line, right? Lebron can probably live a good life not earning a single cent from now on. But thousands of people working at NBA is not.
@@kaixuanjaw3173 I never said dont take money from China. Take the money but don't pretend to be better then the rest when you happily take money from China.
Oops
U.S: we’re ganna do business, but promote our values as well.
China: lol nope
Random Middle East person: free Alaska and our own nation.
U.S.: sending a missile.
Values?
Uhhh
why would you have to promote your values in business? Becaus you always right, and any different means someone else is wrong?
Business should stay business, not poltics
And we have problems, too. Why your companies and business like comment so much even only know one side story, we have deep bound with hongkong. 80% water of hongkong comes froms mainland, and all they cost is a paper says we are short of water.
That end graphic with the democracy and censorship relationship was witty
USA: *Tries to bring democracy to China*
China: Uno Reverse Card
Citavalo lol
I think instead of a reverse it would be a skip card
Bring the 'DEMOCRACY' by whom? Emperor Trump I?
That's what it bugging Chinese people. Just don't tell others how to live their lives. Respect other ideologies.
@@dbc643 Right. Cause they can just steal people's organs and put them in concentration camps with no problem.
6:57 guess who gained credit scores that day
+1000000000000 social credits
America: we are the best
China: here’s some money go get something nice
America: thank you sir
@@christiantobin6006 What is a country without people? LOL
Christian Tobin I’m pretty sure Denmark is a way better country than USA...
@@christiantobin6006 Bruh. Do some research. Chinese workers got welfare system
Christian Tobin sounds so ez, u should be the president
If you are willing to study the monetary policy and international trade and economics, you will understand that everything you advocate will have an unintended consequence. BTW, Apple needs China way more than China needs Apple cuz around 30% of iPhone sales come from China.
You should have titled this, "How China is able to censor the NBA".
More like "Why the NBA censored itself in order to please China". The NBA didn't have to walk anything back. They chose to do so in order to ensure profit. Such is capitalism where enough money is stronger than any conviction.
Or how China censor USA via the NBA
@@chaosof99 yeah, if China hadn't put pressure on the NBA, nothing would have happened. By extention, China censored the NBA.
They can’t because that will not be Interesting which means less views and less views means less money. Everything Is about money nowadays .
@@chaosof99 美国没有政治正确吗？美国可以随意侮辱黑人群体吗？
Why are Vox uploads so rare these days??
didnt they have premium series? maybe thats why
Cuz no more free videos for you working class plebs, thats why😂
Quality over quantity
@@NovaCantera They seem exactly the same though
They are trying not to offend China
It shows how shallow and corrupt everyone is, influenced by greed and money!
Well you know what they say, everyone has a prize in this world.
USA: We love freedom but we love Chinese money more
That's what the democrats AND big corps want!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not the USA Trump isn't bending over to them!!!
@@lurkingsoldi2107 So corporations are people until they do something bad. Then they're all Democrats, right?
@@543soldier anything bad is democrat according to people like that
They only care about money.
jasper budiono U.S. is the worlds largest oil exporter. Get a grip.
You’re all having 100 social credits deducted from your account.
Which means you cant ride trains or cabs anymore btw. Good luck not starving, and try to save your women! The Chinese government wants all women over 15 "Breed Ready"
At least they tell you that in China, unlike shadow banning tech in the United States
@@FinalStooge I wonder if we live in the same world
@@potatopotato1639 you don't. atleast not in the real one.
@@SkyForceOne2 Yeah maybe. The world is too good for some Americans
That is the danger with conflating democracy with capitalism.
@@thonks8729 Capitalism is focused on one specific freedom. And that is private ownership of property. Now when we talk about property in this context we focused on utility producing property. Thing that help you make stuff or services.
Sadly this actually often comes in to conflict with the notion of you being able to be self sustaining. The system of Capitalism is not only OK with people working for other people. But promotes this from of relationship as something good.
Someone own the factory, farmland, building and so on you work in and is not you (For most people in a capitalist model that is. There are of course exceptions). As such your not really free. Especially not if we hold that private prosperity right are above all other rights.
In such a system you do as your told when you employed by someone else or just exist on there property. There commands are laws not to be broken as doing so not respecting someone private property rights.
This is by far not a new concept. In fact old feudalism works on a similar mode. Though the rights officially often is given by god, then transferred to the king which may then transfer it to other feudal lords.
(Though in reality is more that the guy with commands most troops and arms gets to decide and we created some sort of justification for this sort of power balance to help them strength there claim.)
Anyway with such strict adherence to property rights it can really be exploited to oppress people. You need other rights to. And modern democracies actually do try to provide you with lot of rights. Right that may limit prosperity rights. You are for example not allowed to excuse someone on you own property in most parts of the world. Especially not that person is considered invited (but most part of the world actually have laws against putting up traps and using to much violence against trespassers to)
Again people tend to conflate this other rights with a part of capitalism but that is not something you should be sure are there. And when these right are there there actually limiting private ownership rights in some ways.
Naturally I could go on in to more detail. This is actually a extremely complex topic and we likely need to get down to just setting our definitions first so we know we talking on the same level. These terms can mean different thing to different people. Like the term Private Property vs Personal Property used by some can get people confused who are not used to the jargon.
But I think this post is long enough. Especially since my original post was just a once sentence statement meant to make people think about the terms and how mixing them up can be problematic.
I love the NBA but this is a situation between money or ethics. So you either stand up to the wrong doing to China and basically erasing half or more of your whole fan base and losing a large amount of your income or turn a blind eye and earn billions of dollor from China. To the NBA it was a no brainer and would take the second option. any day of the week.
just like another comment i read - NBA: China bad but money good so we stay friends
We stand with you hong kong, unless our income is disrupted
There are still many Hong Kong people who oppose separatism. Which Hong Kong people do you support?
@@yj8628 The protests are not about separation, they are about police brutality
Not your income,their income.
@@morgan4tm217 not small margins of income. Hundreds of millions of viewers worth of income.
You mean your color revolution？then make my country become another Ukraine？
usa failed at their own game
where's the laugh button
China has gone too far.
I'm clear. China is now the verge violating OUR rights through economical enslavement. If it goes on, we should all stop trading with China. If this ends up in economical enslavement
@@Supermariocrosser "I'm clear. China is now the verge violating OUR rights" you can't even speak English yet you put you head between america's legs
Sebastien Ban 🤣🤣😭😭
Hansheng Zhou Americans think money>human rights
Money is the only power that can bring down Americans to the knees!
Don't forget oil
@@haywoodjblome4768 oil IS money
Well any country, money is can bring down any country.
SOSA THE BOSS USA can act and care bout rights and freedoms, but once money is involve y’all go blind and deaf. And y’all voices goes silences😂😂
No, meme
All that America needs is a little bit of "TEGRIDY"
Quote by: Randy Marsh.
The worst story South Park has ever done
@@ben1ben2ben1 about
some weed
Bruh, that Chinese guy who tore his ticket will defo get +10000 social credit score 😂
Its CCP ploy to give an example
He gets more than what he lost
This is why i dont attack the people of china too much. Keep the pressure on their crooks
It's not like that. Chinese people are more patriotic than u can ever imagine
@Modus Operandi even if it's good or bad they try to defend no matter what.
How many bullet will you get in your head if you don't support Hongkong?
This further supports the theory that China is calling all the shots here
its not a theory, its fact.
@@TimTams_64 yes, it is. It's an overwhelming realization when you think of the ultimate repercussions that will eventually arise.
"All" the shots would be an overstatement... US did literally just destroy Huawei's reputation in the West, blocking them from crucial Android updates and banning them from distribution in some places (namely the US). I think "Money is calling all the shots" would be more accurate. Those China millions coming in from NBA = 100s/1000s of jobs in the US too, so it's a double-edged sword, no doubt.
This is why the US really needs to push India to develop faster. The US and rapidly developing India working together would be a powerful counter force to China.
@@krim7 One of the thing I hate Trump for this. He took office and cut off deal with Vietnam. To fight China, US need to empower all countries neighboring China, those countries are more afraid of China than anything.
Fight? It's not a fight when the NBA just does whatever China says...
nobody puts a gun to their head.
they can choose to comply with chinas demands and keep doing business there, or they can choose not to do business there.
@@sabin97 no they cant, they have no choice.
@@jupitervolcano
they can.
they just choose to keep doing business with china.
Nhzharuthopar they do have a choice , but at the end of the day it is about money that’s billions of dollars they are just gonna give up , not only that but NBA players shoes are made in China for a ridiculously low price ... they know it’s ethically wrong , but with that much money coming in they do not want to give them up .
Um the NBA stood by Morey and refused to bend to China. I have no idea why the public narrative is that the NBA kowtowed to China when they defended freedom of speech and lost billions in the process. What else should they have done?
USA: Let's trade with China so we can share our ideology to them!
China: *UNO Reverse Card*
I will put it plain for you: Money VS Human Rights.
cp1925 US's fight with Huawei, explained
Money always wins!
Human Rights vs Oil
Money always wins.
The West should never have invested in China in the first place. It's like feeding a small monster and expect it to grow into a good monster. A monster is forever a monster, you can't change its nature.
I really liked the part where [CENSORED BY THE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA]
American Corporations: we value freedom and all
China: aight we aren't gonna buy it stuff
Corporations: *Laura Lee apology video begins*
Corporations love money. Capitalism!
NBA: fight for freedom
China: are you sure bout that
South park: hold my cuddle fish
When I moved to China, I actually thought Yao Ming was just famous for doing adverts.
He was advertising about 6 different products on TV simultaneously.
people like money in America is this really new??
America lost at their own game that's new
Liking money isn’t uniquely American
Scott Chiste Exactly
Every country likes money. What you will give up and sacrifice for money is the question.
“And to the surprise of no one, big businesses are MORE than willing to sacrifice ideals for some more cash” whoulda thunk?
It's the liberal companies like nba and Disney.
Just like US gov is more than willing to sacrifice ideals for some Saudi cash
"Money"
The End
Don’t forget the credit roles.
Executive producer: China
Production assistant : China
Financing department: China
Special effects: China
“Correct the error”
Jesus Christ, do they want the NBA to send SEAL team 6 after him?
It's so ironic that the franchise that really boosted the nba in china is the one that almost ruined nba in China
You dont bite the hands that feed you... Real sad that the NBA has got to its lowest point... What a joke!!!
"as you stare deep into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you"
China: "I'm the captain now"
West: "Yuuup"
More like the organizations and corps, but tomato tomato in the end
I can feel my social credit score plummeting while watching this.
I wish you all would’ve included the Blizzard situation too
@@Munchausenification no.
@@Munchausenification they did?
And apple
that was basically the same thing, just with a mobile game instead of a sport
US gov.: We support Hong Kong democracy!
Chinese Government: Want that trade deal?
US gov.: We apologize for invading china's national sovereignty.
Ha, nah
Good one 😎💚🧡❤️😂 Love that part
That’s honestly disgusting. We need to take a stand against oppression and if that costs us some money, it’s worth it.
@Jay Theboss I don’t have the political or economic power to do so but I ask my representatives in Congress to. What do you do?
Please make more videos explaining current Hong Kong situation.
It's high time we the people stand with Freedom of speech.
No! Money is more important let's forgot all these irrelevant protests! Sport is more important! Support the Chinese government!
They been have freedom of "Speech" and protest for 4 month, that not enough "Freedom"?
@@davidzhu861 no, when government chooses to ignored the demand for 4 months.
"if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you"
The NBA will support BLM but not talk about Hong Kong.
@Inigo Bantok You keep going minding your business. Problem is Daryl Morey cares but he was silenced.
Fun Fact: NBA players are black! Also, if you want to talk about Hong Kong, then talk about it. You expecting others to do work you want them to is called laziness
Hahaha
Mad about the fact that it seems hypocrisy
@Inigo Bantok theres no systematic racism in the us. This isnt 1953
Who's watching this after NBA is cancelled due to Cornonavirus? 🤦🏻
Karan Sreedhar Me! But the season is suspended, not cancelled. Big difference 😣
I'm here
Renee' Thornton balance of probability : it likely will get cancelled
Me ✋
Good
Vox:Uploads a video on Hong Kong's revolution.
China:I'm about to end this man's whole career
It only brings harm to Vox's fans in China(I'm not sure are there any of them) since youtube is banned in China
@Hoang Long Nguyen ****sounds****
@@man6a18 vpn
Freedom of not watching VS freedom of being censored. Fair.
In the end everything is all about money
No
Gotta give props to the commissioner for sticking by the gm
The last point was brilliant. Good stuff
Kobe has a big impact in china R.i.p Kobe and His daughter
And the other victims rip
This video is almost 1years old, and makes more sense now. COVID-19
Yup.... u r accurately right!
Very well put Vox.Thank you for not taking a direct political stance but rather supplying information for the viewer to interpret what is being said for themselves and not just being force fed ideologies.
How ironic that the guy who nearly ended NBA China relations was the GM of the team that drafted first pick the Chinese legend and NBA legend (for business of course).
Wow never really thought about that
This is what greed and the love for money can do - trade values of freedom for money thereby endorsing the lack of freedom
China: weak heart
US: weak mind
comming from soneone who doesn't live in a superpower.
China has a heart??
@@TheVisserthree well they technically don't because xi jin ping and adolf hitler are basically the same
@@mist1104 They have basically nothing in common
*Taiwan : NBA come here we have freedom !*
Glory to the real China!
Glory to RoC!!!!
王齡移 Hahahaha
Yeah but you have no 1,4 bil people!
so NO
@@tryomama Chinese Taipei has always ALWAYS been a part of China. Always has and always will be. Though one time it was Japanese...
@Mortal Shut up.
Morey was absolutely within his right and its so infuriating that so many people in the US have tried to say he shouldn't have said that. We are supposed to be a free democracy but apparently not when pockets are deep
Talking about human rights, the US loves oil more than that
And China loves dogs
@@eerievibes6854 That's right
@@simonzhang2373 lol
@@eerievibes6854 wu mao
Neoliberalism really did mess up in their strategy.
yotoronto12 no this was always the strategy.
Uyghurs facing Genocide:
Americans: ...
Hong Kong Protests:
Americans: This is where we draw the line.
Maybe the NRA wants to sell weapons to HK protesters
Yeah, just put it on Taobao or Tmall, too bad double 11 just over.
There's a lot of money in HK, which is a western-style democracy. The Uyghurs are a muslim minority.
James Harden looks clueless 😂
He has no defense
True very funny 😄😆🤣
He was just following his paymaster’s order of apologising. He didn’t know what he was apologising for. LOL 😆
this deserves its own feature length documentary
America and China be arguing while we're just vibin' here in Canada. 🇨🇦
I stand for social justice.. until my paycheck's involved
The NBA should be called the PRCBA. The peoples Republic of China basketball Association
title should read: americans self humiliate when capitalism gets the best of them
like what capitalism do to their healthcare and education
doing business with china is the equivalent of streamers selling out
Kudos to Darryl for speaking the truth
*What truth ?? We all know both America and China only care for money!*
The NBA will support BLM but not talk about Hong Kong.
First of all, the US is about 7800 miles away from hk so it doesnt actually concern them. Most BLM protesters aren’t actually black and are white people feeling the need to interfere. Hong Kong rightfully belongs to china, even if their political standpoints are different. You can’t just say that hk isnt apart of china. Thats like saying hawaii isnt apart of the US, even tho the US did illegally and brutally take over hawaii, the place is still theirs
Daryl Morey supports HongKong protestors. Now it's my turn to support all the protestors in the US. Such a beautiful sight.
Awesome presentation and a wonderful message conveyed🙏🙏
I live in China and people in China and people on Chinese social media already forgot why they were angry. Everyone is back to loving basketball and the NBA.
Wow it's the same in America. Someone says something bad, people get mad for a week and then no one remembers what happened.
NBA: *succesfull in china
Morey: "i am about to end this mans whole career
Did he just say “basketball was introduced in the 19th century?” 🤔
Wasnt basketball invented like in the late 1800s?
Cristian Villanueva 19th century is the 1800s
Yup. That is correct. I guess it was introduced in the late 1800s. Cool fact but it threw me becoming I was like “It was invented in the late 1800s 🤔”
Tony Muñoz why are you replying that?
@@jasperbudiono295 Facing toward the 22nd century, but we won't get there
that moment, when south park is faster then vox
ive watched countless videos on this incident, so i thought about not watching this one for a second just because I already know what went down, but man Vox is really able to provide so much new information and backstory that no one else puts effort into researching, thank you for this great video
0:22 My man got a Warriors headband and a Thunder phone case
Incoming "This comment was deleted by the Chinese government" comments
Simon Liang The Chinese government wants to check your vibe.
@@mikhailkolobanov490 ngl I would gladly let them
This comment was deleted by the Chinese government
xd
All this because there's only one party. A party of kings.
Sounds like Vox might have a lot of Chinese viewers
@steve crawford 牛p
I am here
@steve crawford Ya ever notice that any video critical of China has a bunch of Chinese bootlickers and "What about the US" kind of comments.
you might be right
@steve crawford god do you even know that Shanghai is currently running out of underground space cuz to the metro? Plz use your mind to fabricate a story. It's like we say there is a ton of US spies post comment on social media (Like Weibo) in order to break down China in NewYork. A spy has been caught on social media by people using the internet cuz the weird self-introduce (I'm from the north of China, Chinese just identify themselves by province in most cases) and lack of knowledge of Chinese meme, while he explain that he is too old to understand the meme the viewer found it's impossible cuz the meme started at 1996 Spring Festival and repeated on TV for years. It's considered a classic show.