@@leonarddai4998 Personally I prefer the ML60 because it's cheaper, better built, and the modifiers are more plentiful and cheaper. But, I have both and love both. If you have other Nanlite products, I would pay the little extra and stick with all Forza stuff. Hope that helps.
@@SethFox94 Sorry just saw this. I'd go ML60 personally because the build quality is much higher, it's smaller, the fan is nearly silent, and it comes with a carrying case.
Hahahaha- “I totally just made that up, and you definitely believed it.” -Please continue having fun on your channel like this. Great review! Very cool little light and seems light a great deal compared to the Nanlite.
Picked up the ML60 with the AD-S60S and couldn't be happier. I had been using a cheap bi-color LED panel to light my YT videos. After testing the ML60, no doubt it will up my lighting quality immensely. Thanks for the review. It was very helpful.
Just ordered a Forza 60B, watching this video was great for me to see some of the aspects and differences from other manufacturers. Great video thanks.
@@visualfocusphotographymedi100 It's a great light with some kick to it. The battery power option is not great though so I always have to run it on AC power. I use it all the time for my work. Not ultra bright but can easily light up a whole room.
hey man Thanks for this review. I literally bought ML60 while watching this video. Before that I was considering forza 60. Thanks for the helpful comparison.
Very helpful video. I am just getting into continuous lighting and picked up an ML60B on sale the other week after watching a number of videos and reviews. I enjoy it a lot. But I saw the Forza's products today at the camera store and they were pushing the Forza 60 with a free softbox. i was very tempted but after watching your video, it seems that the ML60 was a good purchase (especially at the deep sale price) and I probably will pick up a second. The only negative that I can see is the non-Bowens mount, but it does have the adapter and I probably will pick up the native softbox anyway because it is compact and cheap.
Thanks! The Forza lights don't do anything the ML series doesn't do, and vice versa, so I wouldn't switch at this point. The money you'd lose reselling wouldn't be worth a free softbox IMO. The Godox softboxes that fit the ML series natively are relatively inexpensive, so unless you REALLY need a huge softbox (which would need the adapter), I tend to stick to those. Hope that helps, I'm sure you'll have fun with it.
I was just thinking, it's funny how they used to be known for super loud fans, but really that was ONLY the SL series. The SL II, FV, VL, and now the ML are all super quiet, and the UL150 is obviously silent. It's a great time to get into lighting :)
@@nexttvc The Forza 60 accessories used to cost way more, like almost $200 for the small softbox if I recall correctly, so now it's at least more affordable. I tend to avoid the Bowens adapter on the 60 because it's not super sturdy, so if I use the kit, I stick with the 24" native softbox. If I need something bigger I use a bigger, Bowens mount light.
@@NewLayer Great Idea. thank you but I do have bigger lights but for small space and 24'' softbox even If I put on Bowens mount adopter bcoz I already have the softbox but to just spend extra money on forza 60 that was my concern. I also got the Godox Softbox for speedlight Godox 200 Pro so I thought I can use that.
Nicely reviewed. I'm glad to see competition in the 50/60w LED category, it's quite useful as a scratch/fill/hair light, although I personally prefer 300w and higher units for a key in most situations. Thanks for the light comparison tool. Super handy once you get a decent sized database of lights. I just tested the CAME-TV Bolzen 55QII against a Dedo and 300w tungsten, so I'd love to see it tossed into the mix against the Godox and Nanlite.
Thanks, glad you liked it. I used a Forza 60 as a key light for quite a while, although just for talking head stuff. Indoors it can be more than enough, but I typically prefer 150 watt lights for indoor key lights. 300 would just make it extra easy to not have to worry about it :) I am getting more and more lights every week, so the tool should continue to grow for quite a while!
MAGNIFICENT LIGHT!!!!!! Damn you and your amazing b-roll sequences. Love it. I'm loving everything that Godox has been putting out lately man, it's really making me consider just ignoring Aputure.
My kids made me replay that part about 10 times because they thought it was so funny. So at least I know I have a career in TH-cam videos for 6 and 7 year olds. Each Godox release seemingly gets better, so although there's a few drawbacks overall, like the non-unified control system you and I talked about, and lack of DMX, they are amazing options.
Really really great video! I'm considering getting the ML60 as a Key Light for my desk shot (my main Aputure 300x is most likely too heavy) and this video was extremely informative. I realized that I could just use one of the AD softboxes instead of getting the S2 Adapter + a larger softbox. Does that sound about right?
Thanks, glad it was helpful! You can definitely get one of the native mount soft boxes for a desk shot and be totally fine. They are much more light weight, but still large enough to be nice and soft. Let me know how you like it when you get it set up!
It’s definitely a killer back or accent light option, especially paired with the VL150. With the reflector or small softbox, you can run it at lower power like 25% for half a day on a single set of batteries. I do wish the VL and UL used the same remote as the ML60 but...
Thanks! And 💯 to that. A VL150 + ML60 might only be beat by an SL150W II + ML60 since they use the same remote, but if you need the V-Mount capability and carrying case of the VL, both are great choices.
Issue is these little lights need adaptors to fit bowens mount modifiers and then by the time you double diffuse the output is just not enough. Great as a rim, accent or background light I suppose but for that use might aswell just stick with some panels or flex led lights.
I too think they are ideal for back or accent lights, but it works well as a key light too, indoors at least. The SL60W is the main key light for many solo creators with 36" softboxes, and this light is a teeny bit brighter. If you get the 25-33" Godox-mount softboxes, they'll lose less light too. Like you mentioned, using a Bowens adapter isn't ideal, although, the S2 bracket Godox has is much stronger than the Forza 60 adapter, so it can easily handle 36" or 48" softboxes, whereas the Forza 60 adapter is at its weight limit much sooner. I would probably still recommend the SL150W II or VL150 if brightness is the main concern, but the ML60 does make a great light if you need the portability, and can definitely work as a key without much trouble.
@@FKfilmphotography Definitely. I think 150 watt lights are the best choice for a key in the majority of situations outside of simple talking head videos.
Love the videos, I’m picking up this light thanks to you, what stand would you recommend, this is my first more professional light, everything else I have bought is on the cheaper flimsier side, but not sure which more expensive ones are worth it.
Thanks for the support! I think you'll like this one because the build quality is top notch. I always prefer C-stands when I can use them because they are so sturdy. The Impact and Neewer ones are awesome for the price. This one has removable legs and a boom arm which can be really handy too: geni.us/impactcstand This one is more basic: geni.us/neewercstandblack If you want something that folds up more compact without having to remove the legs, I have really like these Laofas HD air-cushioned stands I got. They are 42" collapsed, and should be plenty sturdy, especially for the ML60 + modifiers geni.us/laofashdlightstand Hope that helps :)
I need to see how bright this is for photography and if it could replace the Lowel G1 light for us or even the practilite 602 for larger areas that need lighting
The Lowell G-1 is only around 1000 lux at flood (39 degree beam angle) while the Godox ML60 is 3040 Lux bare bulb, which is a much, MUCH wider 120 degree beam angle. At full spot (10 degree beam), the G-1 is 6-7000 Lux. The ML60 with the stock reflector is around 13,000 Lux and the reflector is around 45 degrees I believe. So the ML60 is VERY significantly brighter than the G-1, while having wider beam angles as well for more area coverage. Although I don't have experience with the Practiclite, it is 90 watts and a Fresnel, so you can spot focus the light for higher efficiency. It's also bi-color though, so raw output wise, the ML60 should be very, very similar. You can use the Godox S2 Bowens adapter and buy a Bowens mount Fresnel if you need more controlled focusing power apart from the stock reflector. I hope that helps!
Love how you make lighting videos interesting. Do you have a recommendation for a particle lights. Want to add some depth in my shots. I have the godox vl200 as my keylight.
Thanks! I’m assuming particle was autocorrected from “practical”? The Aputure B7c are unbeatable for putting in lamps geni.us/aputureb7c I had 3 brands of cheap RGB LED bulbs and they all flickered. Pocket lights also look really good, especially if they have a silicone diffuser on them. My current favorite pocket light is the Nanlite LitoLite 5C geni.us/nanlitelitolite5c Tube lights are also awesome as practicals, and I think the Nanlite Pavotubes are my favorites. They come in 10”, 2’, and 4’. geni.us/nanlitepavotube6cii geni.us/nanlitepavotube15c geni.us/nanlitepavotube I have a couple videos on tube lights you might like too. Hope that helps 👍
Another great video! You basecally cover evrithing we filmmaker need to know. But can you make another video comparing this light with the jinbei? Thanks!
Waiting to see Aputures offering. 🤔🤔A 60D and 60x has been mentioned and is coming. It has a zooming head, a Bowen’s adapter for Bowen’s modifiers and the mini spotlight also looks cool. The Sidus link app is incredible which is why I keep buying Aputure products vs the Forza and Godox COBs / LEDs.
I am super pumped for that too! I would expect it to be double the price or more, but like you said, it has some additional features and Aputure remote control is unmatched at the moment.
The ML60 is right on par with top of the line single color COBs with a CRI of 96.4, TLCI of 97, and SSI of 73 when I measured. You can see all the specs here: newlayer.com/gear/lights/compare?light1=Godox+ML60&light2=Godox+SL60W The R9, R13, and R15 values, which are the most important for skin tones, are 97.1, 98.7, 97, which can't get any better. All that said, Godox color rendering accuracy, especially on this light, is essentially as good as it gets.
I just don't understand that why your channel is not going up like a rocket considering the kind of information you are providing and how much it helps to individual filmmakers. I just don't understand?
really nice review! the only reason I still consider forza 60b is it's bi-color feature for potential gold color hair light usage. I really hope Godox will release a ML60bi color as well. Maybe I should wait a bit?
Godox is releasing the SZ150R soon, which is a 150 watt full RGB+WT COB, so not only will it be bi-color, but have full color support as well if that interests you. I'll do a video on that as soon as they become available.
Assuming it's a typical dark dance floor, then it would be great. If it's some kind of super brightly lit dance floor, then maybe, but I can't say I've seen that before, hehe.
I've used a Forza60 in an S2 bracket. You have to mount it on its side to avoid fouling the modifier release button on the top but otherwise no problems. One nice thing about the Forza60 is the excellent native mount fresnel. It would be great if Godox made a Godox mount fresnel. In the UK the street price of the Forza60 has dropped recently. I bought one for £185 a few weeks ago, the ML60 costs £250 at the moment.
I love it! That honestly never crossed my mind. The S2 adapter is nicer than it seems in photos, so that's a great solution. And again, you're totally right about the Fresnel. I have the Forza 60 Fresnel and their larger one and both are fantastic. I was slightly hesitant to talk about the higher pricing for the Forza light and accessories because I've noticed a lot of items going on sale from Nanlite, so I wonder if we'll see a permanent price drop. I know they are working to revamp their entire mobile app to work with newer lights without the need for a hardware bridge, but the original Forza 60 is not firmware upgradeable, so I wouldn't be surprised if they release a Mark II in the next year.
@@NewLayer The Forza 60B is firmware upgradeable via a USB port under the rear. I too would not be surprised if they came up with a MK II Forza 60. The Forza 60B page promises a projection attachment for it which should be quite interesting. I wish Godox would offer a VLock battery power option for the S30 and the ML60. The Forza 60 has the DTap cable but it's surprisingly expensive.
@@tugwilson Yep, the 60B should be good to go once the new Nanlite app is done. I've been trying to confirm V-mount support on the ML60, but haven't heard back. I don't see why it wouldn't work with a standard D-tap to barrel cable since 2 NP-Fs are the same voltage as 1 V-mount, but didn't want to say anything without testing it myself since they don't mention it. I'll try to update the pinned comment if it ends up being possible.
Brilliant video, just what I was looking for after your recent review of the Amaran P60 twins. Subscribed too. BTW, I'm really caught up between choosing a CoB vs a panel light for my small home setup. I really prefer something compact and easy to setup and dismantle. Don't really mind paying a few extra bucks to save valuable space. What are the smallest softboxes or diffusers I can use with the ML60bi? Would the silicon ones that are out for the ML30 be suitable and work for compact setup?
Thanks. Panels are great because of their size, however, there's a lot more softbox options for COB lights, so it just depends. The 24-25" softboxes in the description are the smallest ones for the ML60 that fit the native mount. The only thing to keep in mind is that COB softboxes are deeper than the P60c/x softboxes, but they are softer because the surface area is bigger. geni.us/godoxads60s geni.us/glowgodoxads65 Hope that helps.
If it's indoors in a controlled environment yes, assuming you are using a 2-3' softbox and can get the light within a few feet, or if you're shooting with the reflector into external diffusion. You may need to use it at a high brightness, but the fans on these lights are the quietest I've ever heard, so you'll have no issues with that and can move it very close if necessary. The "maybe a little bit more" is tougher, because I guess that depends. A 150-watt light is a safer bet if you're worried about brightness. I would recommend a 150-watt light if you think you'll be working with ambient light coming in through windows, but 60 watts is great if you have full control over the setup. Hope that helps.
Thanks for a great review! I found your channel trough this review and have watched many of your videos. Greta content!. Would this be an option for your own studio as a replacement to the Intellytech LiteCloth LC-160RGBW? Im looking for a light that is light enough to hang from the sealing on a microphone boom arm like the rode psa 1.
Thanks! Glad you like my videos :) Before the LiteCloth I had a Forza 60 in just a 24" softbox, so the ML60 would definitely be good for a desk mounted setup, especially with the AD-S60S, AD-S65S, or AD-S85S (or the Glow equivalents). Although, the Rode PSA 1 isn't strong enough to hold anything I can think of with any kind of softbox. It would hang down fine, but you couldn't really reposition the height since the boom springs are too weak to hold it in a specific spot. Honestly I don't have a lot of experience with ceiling mounted lights, so I'm not sure what the best solution would be. Here are links to the softboxes I mentioned though if that helps. geni.us/godoxads60s geni.us/godoxads65s geni.us/godoxads85s geni.us/glowgodoxads65 geni.us/glowgodoxads85
The ML60 is the quietest fan out of any fan-cooled light I've used, so it definitely wins there. Brightness and color accuracy are the same. The ML60 is a much, much better build, and more portable since it's a Godox mount light, and all those soft boxes and accessories are very lightweight and cheap. If you can afford it, I highly recommend the ML60.
Great review 👌🏻 I’m looking for a small led continuous light for my watch photography do you think this would be good for this ? I’d only be using a small modifier so this looks like it could fit the bill.
Yes it does! It's part of the handle, so that must be attached to use an umbrella. Or, you can use the Bowens mount adapter, which also has a built in umbrella adapter.
Great review. Just recently bought a vl300 and 150 and was looking for a 3rd effect light. I’d like to use the SA-P Projection Attachment. Is it the same mount?
Unfortunately it's not the same mount as the S30, so can't natively use the projection attachment (geni.us/godoxsap) I use it on my Bowens mount lights with the SA-17 adapter (geni.us/godoxsa17) but the only way I see being able to use it on the ML60 is using that AND the S2 Bowens adapter bracket at the same time geni.us/godoxs2bracket I really hope they come out with a direct adapter for the Projection Attachment to the Godox Mount, because the ML60 would be a great candidate for that.
@@NewLayer If you like small portable lights, I recommend getting a D18 Emisar fashlight (the 95 CRI verion). It's tiny, 3000 lumins, dimmable and waterproof. intl-outdoor.com/emisar-d18-151.html
@@nakleh Thanks! I try to be as unbiased as possible, but I do get excited about gear, so I guess that helps. Although, I wouldn't say I have the most enthusiastic appearance on the outside, haha.
Hi, first thx for your great videos.😀 I have very small place for photo and now I have only Godox C5R RGB light. I am interested for small products photography. Do you think that ML60bi will be much better choice than C5R? Thx
I've found your channel really useful for looking at lights! I'm looking at a battery powered light and am considering the Jinbei EF II 60 or the ML60 as good options. I already have a Godox SL-60W and SL-150W II, but am looking for a smaller, portable option for certain shooting situations where I may not be able to plug it into power or have limited space. I can buy the Jinbei for less than half the price of the ML60 ($185 vs $400 in AUD). Is the ML60 really that much better? Also I already have Bowens mount light modifiers so I would have to either buy a bowens mount adapter or a new softbox for the ML60. Would love your thoughts on these two, or perhaps their is another suitable option I have missed?
You should also consider the Amaran 60d/x th-cam.com/video/m1cXOypWocc/w-d-xo.html The Jinbei is good, but the build quality is lacking and I'm hearing more issues from people that it doesn't work with some brands/types of batteries, and it's impossible to make a list of which ones work and don't.
@@NewLayer Thanks so much for your thoughts! Really appreciate it and the Amaran 60d looks like it might be a suitable fit for what I'm looking for and is definitely more affordable than the Godox ML60. Also really helpful to know the Jinbei has a few flaws. Thanks!
Unfortunately they dont. The AK-R1 modifiers do fit the Godox R1 pocket lights though (geni.us/godoxr1) The problem is that the ML60 is bigger, and doesn't have magnets in it like the other products that support those.
@@IOS.mobile It should work great, even though their Fresnel is perfectly matched to the distance of their COB from the lens, the functional difference should be nearly nothing. AND, with the S2 adapter, you can actually slide the ML60 back and forth to get the best coverage anyways :)
@@NewLayer Thanks! Being able fine tune it in the S2 seems like a great way to go. The ML60 looks to have a round COB. Not having a square spot like many of the other cheaper COB's would also be a plus. I wonder if this setup would overpower bright sunlight for outdoor shoots.
@@IOS.mobile If you used the stock reflector you'd get a usable brightness for fill or back light for sure. Definitely don't count on it to overpower the sun in any kind of soft box though.
Great review! Was looking forward to this review and it doesn’t disappoint. I think the ML60 is a clear winner over the Forza 60 unless you’re invested in Nanlite. The Godox looks more refined, has quieter fans and has more included for the money. Still slightly pricey though. They could have packaged this light without the extras and sold it at like $199 and it would be a no brainer over the popular SL60W. Now the only thing missing for me is I wish they released a bicolor version of this as well. Thinking some Major League Bicolor MLB60 lol. I think I’ll pick up this light still. Can you recommend any gels to make it bicolor? Another question, do you find that the AD-S60S paired with the ML60 is soft and good enough for a talking head key light for its size or better to step up to the AD-S65S? I know there’s the AD-S85S as well but find that too big.
I'm happy to hear you liked this one! I have many of the same thoughts, and think if the ML60 was even $249 or $229 it would sell out immediately. When the rumors started for a new Godox light, I was expecting a bi-color option, so I still think that's coming soon. And I promise if they have an MLB60 I'll use that joke haha. For my talking head videos I only use a 24" (although square) softbox, so the AD-S60S should do well, as long as it's pretty close. I use mine at just 2-3 feet away. The 85 would be a safer choice if you need a bit more distance. Hope that helps!
@@NewLayer You could get 2 jinbey efii60 for that price, if you are looking for value to money. I don't know both but build quality seems to be the difference www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1567165-REG/jinbei_1_05_031304_efii_60_led_sun_light_incl.html/reviews
@@danielvilliers612 Yep. The build of the Jinbei is the lowest out of almost every light I have. It’s also louder, has en exposed COB, and doesn’t have a case or handle for handheld use. It’s still a good light, but definitely has tradeoffs for the price. Not to mention it’s hardly ever in stock, haha.
Do you think it is even usable when you put ML60 in a softbox? I have a UL150 and even that does not produce enough light when in a softbox with diffusion on... I am asking because I am thinking of buying one because of portability but I am not sure if it is bright enough...I want to be able to use it for both video and (sometimes) photo with my AD300 and AD400....for fashion and beauty applications...appreciate your feedback...
The ML60 is 1 full stop dimmer than the 150 watt Godox lights, so if the UL150 is not bright enough, the ML60 will be 1 stop darker. You can compare all kinds of lights here: newlayer.com/gear/lights/compare?light1=Godox+ML60&light2=Godox+UL150 A lot of people coming from strobes don't find continuous lights bright enough, because they are used to shooting at ISO 100, f/8, and 1/125, but video is different. A comfortable brightness for continuous lights if in this zone: f/2.8-5.6, 1/50-1/125, ISO 400-800. So, long story short, you need strobes for photos, or to get comfortable shooting at higher ISOs and wider apertures. The other option is to buy 300 watt+ lights, or use multiple 150 watt lights in place of a single strobe. I hope that helps :)
@@NewLayer Thank you very much the link is awesome. I thought ML60 would be 2 stops dimmer than UL150 comparing the LUX output. You are right about video vs photo lighting. I think the size and portability of ML60 could be very useful and might be worth giving up one stop for it. it is a good looking light.
@@fhdstudio Doubling the output (in lux, or any other measurement) will be 1 stop brighter. Then doubling that again will be another 1 stop, etc. And I agree, the ML60 is one of my favorite lights :)
@@NewLayer thank you, I understand but I was basing my numbers (app two stops) on Godox website. It mentions 13000 lux for ML60 and 58000 Lux for ul150 @1m with the reflector....)
@@NewLayer i love how fast you reply to comments! Thanks a lot bro! Do you have any experience with the Jinbei EFD 300? I love Jinbei lights and flashes. They seem to be pretty good and relatively cheap!
Good point! The SLB60W is honestly just overpriced by 100%. The ML60 beats it in every single way, except for the Bowens mount. You can get the ML60 + S2 Bowens mount for much less than the SLB60W, so it's a much better deal even then. The SLB60W is louder, uses proprietary batteries, has no carrying case, is larger/heavier, worse build quality, costs more... In my mind it's such a no brainer I kind of forgot to mention it haha.
The Forza 60/60B mini Fresnel won't fit the ML60 since they are different mounts, and I wouldn't really recommend a Bowens fresnel on the ML60 because you'll need the Bowens adapter and the distance from the COB to the lens will be out of whack. If you mean the Godox native Bowens mount lights, it works, just may not be the perfect match like same-branded lights and Fresnels. I always recommend matching when you can.
In one of your other videos I think you mentioned a bag/case recommendation for the Godox lights since most of them don't come with cases. Is there a link to that you can provide? Thanks!
I'm in the midst of that video right now! Hopefully just a couple more weeks. Luckily the ML60 comes with a good case, but I'll have 10 options in the upcoming video :)
The SZ150R is pretty expensive. And Aputure and Nanlite both make bi-color 60 watt lights, so hopefully Godox will too, although I haven't heard anything yet.
I've got the RC -A5II Godox remote, but can't connect it to my ML60. Also - what kind of batteries are compatible with it? Only the NP-F970 L-Series or can I get something more powerful?
Hmmm... are you sure the channel and group are set the same on both the light and remote? And yes, only NP-F batteries. The big ones should last quite a while though.
Both lights are identical in output bare bulb, but I haven’t measured both with the stock reflectors, because they might be different beam angles, so not an accurate comparison. They should be very close though. Sorry I don’t have a definitive answer.
I am looking for a first proper video light to shoot product videos and talking heads. Before this came out I was already decided to go for godox vl150. I like the portability of the ml60 since I travel a lot but on the other hand I am not sure if getting vl150 light isn't a better option (I like the universal softbox mount). Are you planning to make a comparison video or could suggest straight away which one is better for my needs?
I'm not planning on a VL vs ML specific comparison, but I did a big comparison of ALL the 150 watt+ Godox lights here th-cam.com/video/2DEuihHpJ00/w-d-xo.html as well as an in-depth review of the VL series here: th-cam.com/video/u8nnQe2Ec4c/w-d-xo.html I have other Godox light reviews in this playlist as well: th-cam.com/play/PLEjFMg29XlSy01gDykVjfayHZdFFCcdrP.html The VL150 is one of my favorite lights of all time, and apart from the Bowens mount, it is also a good deal brighter, making it more flexible as a key light. You could always get the ML60 and if you find it's not quite bright enough in some situations, pick up a VL150 and use the ML60 as a back/hair light, because it's perfect for that as well.
@@KarolPlucinski I don't think you'll be disappointed. It's a killer light. I'd greatly appreciate if you used one of my links if you found my videos helpful. It really helps the channel a lot geni.us/godoxvl150
Great video man, I'm torn between investing on a Godox ML60 or a VL150 as my first light. I know the VL150 is more expensive, but it's also more powerful. I also considered a FalconEyes flexible LED panel, but I want something that gives me more options... any thoughts?
Thanks! Both are good choices, so I guess it depends on your goals. The ML60 makes a good key light for controlled situations indoors, but also a great back/hair light. So you might pick that up and down the road if you want more brightness, it can become the perfect secondary light to the VL150. At the same time, I've never regretted having too bright a light :) I am all about efficiency, so a small light like the ML60 is nice to have when you know you don't need the brightness. Overall, I typically steer away from panels and towards COBs because they have infinitely more modifier choices, so I would go that direction. I hope that helps!
i gonna buy a light for my video work . at first i was choosing sl60 but now i see this video i m little confuse .. plz make a comparison video between sl60 and ml 60
@@PulakChowdhury ML60 is 1/3 stop brighter than the SL60W. You can compare them here newlayer.com/gear/lights/compare?light1=Godox+SL60W&light2=Godox+ML60
No, you need a separate battery charger. This is a high capacity, very inexpensive set I've used that has worked fine for a long time geni.us/powerextranpfkit
Hi ! Thank you for your great review ! I owe a forza 60 with a bowens adapter. I got the godox softbox s65s... would it be possible to use this godox softbox with my forza 60 with an adapter ? I tried to look around but didn't find any clear answer... Do you have any idea ? Thank you for the great work !! ;)
If you're talking about shooting during the day, then I would highly suggest a 150 watt or brighter light. A 60 watt light would be OK only if you used the stock reflector, but then you'd get very harsh light. If you're hoping to use a softbox of any kind in daylight, you'll need a 300 watt light or brighter. I hope that helps :)
Great review! I was interested to know whether such a light would be sufficient for portraits at/just after sunset? Using a reflector 1-2 meters away from the model? Thanks!
How does this compare sizewise to the Jinbei EFII-60? Despite stock issues, leaning towards the Jinbei as it has the batteries in unit and has a bowens mount built in so I can use my current softboxes.
The EF II 60 is about the same size as the Godox SL60W, which is around 9" x 9" x 5.5". The ML60 is a good deal smaller at 5.7" x 3.5" x 3.5". Of course, that's before you add the handle to it.
All the 60 watt lights are pretty much the same brightness. With that said, if you're using a 24" or smaller soft box, you can use them as a subtle fill light, but they definitely won't be bright enough as a key light except maybe if you're using the stock reflector, but in that case, you'll get harsh shadows. You could also maybe use one as a key light in a 24" soft box if the light is within just 1-2 feet of the subject.
Hi, I have read and watched enough videos on the comparison and I still could not decide which I should get. So I am just gonna seek your advice point-blank. Which of the 2 would you buy today? ML60 or Forza60.
Without saying too much, I’d buy the ML60 simply because it’s less expensive for something that serves the same function, especially after adding up the accessories, and I’ll all about saving money when possible. Hope that helps 😅
I have not tried that light. It looks like it could be a decent light with not so good build quality, but depending on the type of work you do, it could be perfect. Does it only hold one battery at a time? I can’t imagine that light putting out anywhere near what the Godox lights can using 1 battery at just 7.4V.
@@NewLayer that is strange..... apurture amaran cob 60x had app control. You have used both......which one gives more value for the price if buying with a softbox ( ligh dome SE or godox 65 cm correspondently) ?
@@ashotgaziyan8876 I would pick the Amaran 60d/x most of the time because it's native Bowens mount and has Sidus Link mobile app control. If you haven't already seen my review on the Amaran lights, you can check it out here: th-cam.com/video/m1cXOypWocc/w-d-xo.html
You can, although continuous lights in general are not nearly as bright as even small dedicated strobes. You'll get 3-4 more stops of light from a cheap strobe than even a 150 watt continuous LED, so if you do just photography I'd still recommend strobes.
Indoors in a controlled environment (meaning no window light or anything contaminating the scene) the Forza 60 (or any 60+ watt light) will be bright enough in a 24-36" softbox to film something like that. Especially if you're shooting close ups, you can get the light just 1-2 feet away and have plenty of brightness to work with. Hope that helps :)
Absolutely. The UL150 is awesome, even if it’s a little large and heavy. The only thing to watch out for is that the UL/VL lights use the RC-A5II remote and the ML60 uses the RC-A6 remote, so you’d have to buy that separately.
The ML60 uses the RC-A6 remote, while the old SL series uses the RC-A5 remote. The FV and SL Mark II lights use the RC-A6 remote, so if you have those, you can control the ML60 with the same remote. The VL and UL lights use the RC-A5 II remote.
@@NewLayer so basically there is no way to control them both at the same time. Since godox used different types of controller for each light. Thank you
Someone else asked this so you may want to look for my reply to that just in case I forget anything here. This light is much quieter, top-of-the-line build quality, comes with a case, and maybe most importantly, is easy to buy. The Jinbei light has been in and out of stock a lot and most people have not even been able to find the remote. It also does not come with any kind of hand grip, so keep that in mind if you plan to use it handheld. This light also shares a remote with other very popular lights so it’s easier to build a complete set, although I know you said that’s not a huge consideration. The only things the Jinbei light has over this are the native Bowens mount and the price. I hope I’m not making either one sound better or worse than it actually is, because I do love both lights.
@@NewLayer yes I've seen your review, I've been looking for another review of the jinbei but I can't find any. It's definitely not a very popular option. Thanks for your quick and detail reply, you definitely have one of the most informative channels I know of!
@@louiedc8703 Another issue with the VL200 is that it uses 2 v-mount batteries, making it even more cumbersome. The ML60 is definitely designed to be mobile.
Somewhat. You definitely could but a dedicated strobe will be brighter than a continuous light in almost all cases. The Godox FV series has some built in flash functionality that gives you a couple of extra stops of brightness over running then in continuous mode. I did a video on those here th-cam.com/video/XbzPndcSKbI/w-d-xo.html
*QUESTION:* If my aim is to achieve soft key / fill light as my first purchase of lighting- how do you think the ML60 will compare to a flexible LED panel like the Falconeyes? Since these flexible LEDs are Bi-Color or even RGB- this means that instead of advertised 100W or 150W - they will give you about half the power, making them probably closer to 60W, as the ML60. On the other hand, probably getting a different color other than daylight from the ML60 might be a hassle [or impossible to mount gels], and the ML60's softbox would be huge compared to a softbox+honeycomb of a flexible LED. Any thoughts, buddy? [Amazing review btw!]
I did a review on a similar product to the FalconEyes panel here if that helps th-cam.com/video/cc6wD-PrzMQ/w-d-xo.html Having bi-color can be nice for sure if you’re shooting in situations where you can’t control the ambient light as well, but like you said, you lose some power. Honestly, once you add diffusion to the flexible panels, they are essentially the same brightness as a COB with a softbox, so it depends more on whether you like the form factor. The ML60 is lightning quick to set up, which I like. I personally prefer COBs unless I am physically limited in a way where a panel works better. You can get a bunch of different modifiers whereas the flexible panels are basically just 1 locked in size. Hope that helps :)
It definitely is, depending on the size of your softbox, and if you're indoors with controlled lighting. I used a Forza 60 (which is the same brightness) for my talking head setup for a long time in a 24", double diffused softbox with a grid, and only had it at 33% power at 1/50 sec, f/2.8, and ISO 400. It was only about 2-3' away. So you could use this in a 36" softbox from 3-5 feet and be fine, but just may need to go closer to 100% brightness. Hope that helps :)
Sorry, you'd have to contact the retailer you bought from. If you have the same channel/group/ID selected on the light and remote it should work instantly. If not, there might be an issue with your light.
Do you think the ML60 is worth the cost over any of the other Godox lights? Or do you think the Forza 60 is a better choice?
What about you? Is nanlite forza 60 better than ml60?
@@leonarddai4998 Personally I prefer the ML60 because it's cheaper, better built, and the modifiers are more plentiful and cheaper. But, I have both and love both. If you have other Nanlite products, I would pay the little extra and stick with all Forza stuff. Hope that helps.
@@NewLayer The real question is, Jibei EF-ii or ML60?
@@SethFox94 Sorry just saw this. I'd go ML60 personally because the build quality is much higher, it's smaller, the fan is nearly silent, and it comes with a carrying case.
@@NewLayer is it brighter than the jibei ?
Hahahaha- “I totally just made that up, and you definitely believed it.” -Please continue having fun on your channel like this.
Great review! Very cool little light and seems light a great deal compared to the Nanlite.
Honestly, that was probably my favorite part of the video, haha. I had mixed expectations for this light, but ended up really liking it!
Picked up the ML60 with the AD-S60S and couldn't be happier. I had been using a cheap bi-color LED panel to light my YT videos. After testing the ML60, no doubt it will up my lighting quality immensely. Thanks for the review. It was very helpful.
Awesome, thanks great to hear. I hope it serves you well :)
Just ordered a Forza 60B, watching this video was great for me to see some of the aspects and differences from other manufacturers. Great video thanks.
Thanks! Glad you liked it. Godox has an ML60 bi-color as well, which I should get ahold of soon :)
Looking to purchase Forza 60B, how are you personally liking it?
@@visualfocusphotographymedi100 It's a great light with some kick to it. The battery power option is not great though so I always have to run it on AC power. I use it all the time for my work. Not ultra bright but can easily light up a whole room.
@@tristangellatly8498 AWESOME man, I appreciate the quick reply as well ! I'll be making my purchase tonight
i just got myself the SL 150 II and this would be a great addition for my next lighting piece, thanks for the review!
I agree! And thanks, glad you liked it.
Very helpful review. I decided to go with Godox ML60 as my desktop light.
Thanks! I'm glad to hear it was helpful. Let me know how you like it :)
This channel keeps dropping gems I never would’ve known about 🙌
Thanks! Glad you few that way 😁
hey man Thanks for this review. I literally bought ML60 while watching this video. Before that I was considering forza 60. Thanks for the helpful comparison.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the support :) Let me know how you like it when you get it.
Very helpful video. I am just getting into continuous lighting and picked up an ML60B on sale the other week after watching a number of videos and reviews. I enjoy it a lot. But I saw the Forza's products today at the camera store and they were pushing the Forza 60 with a free softbox. i was very tempted but after watching your video, it seems that the ML60 was a good purchase (especially at the deep sale price) and I probably will pick up a second. The only negative that I can see is the non-Bowens mount, but it does have the adapter and I probably will pick up the native softbox anyway because it is compact and cheap.
Thanks! The Forza lights don't do anything the ML series doesn't do, and vice versa, so I wouldn't switch at this point. The money you'd lose reselling wouldn't be worth a free softbox IMO. The Godox softboxes that fit the ML series natively are relatively inexpensive, so unless you REALLY need a huge softbox (which would need the adapter), I tend to stick to those. Hope that helps, I'm sure you'll have fun with it.
Godox has been killing it lately
I was just thinking, it's funny how they used to be known for super loud fans, but really that was ONLY the SL series. The SL II, FV, VL, and now the ML are all super quiet, and the UL150 is obviously silent. It's a great time to get into lighting :)
@@NewLayer not all SL series, I got the SL150 1st gen that is not noisy..
Hi, Can we use Godox AD-S60S Softbox on Nanlite Forza 60?
Unfortunately no, the AD-S60S has a Godox mount, while the Forza 60 is a proprietary "mini-Bowens" mount.
@@NewLayer Thank you. Means I have to Invest on Accessories for Forza 60. or use the Mowens Mount Adopter.
@@nexttvc The Forza 60 accessories used to cost way more, like almost $200 for the small softbox if I recall correctly, so now it's at least more affordable.
I tend to avoid the Bowens adapter on the 60 because it's not super sturdy, so if I use the kit, I stick with the 24" native softbox. If I need something bigger I use a bigger, Bowens mount light.
@@NewLayer Great Idea. thank you but I do have bigger lights but for small space and 24'' softbox even If I put on Bowens mount adopter bcoz I already have the softbox but to just spend extra money on forza 60 that was my concern. I also got the Godox Softbox for speedlight Godox 200 Pro so I thought I can use that.
Finally a review on this product
And it would've been a day or two earlier if my S2 bracket wasn't delayed from Amazon. Thanks Bezos!
Thanks for the comparison with the Forza 60. Really helped with my decision.
Glad to hear it! They are still both great lights.
This light would be so nice for wedding filmmakers. Nice, portable, bright, battery powered and no hassle
100%! Super quiet, portable, and inconspicuous.
Nicely reviewed. I'm glad to see competition in the 50/60w LED category, it's quite useful as a scratch/fill/hair light, although I personally prefer 300w and higher units for a key in most situations. Thanks for the light comparison tool. Super handy once you get a decent sized database of lights. I just tested the CAME-TV Bolzen 55QII against a Dedo and 300w tungsten, so I'd love to see it tossed into the mix against the Godox and Nanlite.
Thanks, glad you liked it. I used a Forza 60 as a key light for quite a while, although just for talking head stuff. Indoors it can be more than enough, but I typically prefer 150 watt lights for indoor key lights. 300 would just make it extra easy to not have to worry about it :)
I am getting more and more lights every week, so the tool should continue to grow for quite a while!
Well done with this review :) Loved getting know about the Forza 60 a bit as well
Thanks! I wasn't sure whether I'd like it or not, but it grew on me quickly :)
MAGNIFICENT LIGHT!!!!!! Damn you and your amazing b-roll sequences. Love it. I'm loving everything that Godox has been putting out lately man, it's really making me consider just ignoring Aputure.
My kids made me replay that part about 10 times because they thought it was so funny. So at least I know I have a career in TH-cam videos for 6 and 7 year olds.
Each Godox release seemingly gets better, so although there's a few drawbacks overall, like the non-unified control system you and I talked about, and lack of DMX, they are amazing options.
Hi there, thanks for the great info as always
What are those speakers behind you
Fantastic review. Perfect blend of technical and practical. Thanks for this!
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Really really great video! I'm considering getting the ML60 as a Key Light for my desk shot (my main Aputure 300x is most likely too heavy) and this video was extremely informative. I realized that I could just use one of the AD softboxes instead of getting the S2 Adapter + a larger softbox. Does that sound about right?
Thanks, glad it was helpful! You can definitely get one of the native mount soft boxes for a desk shot and be totally fine. They are much more light weight, but still large enough to be nice and soft. Let me know how you like it when you get it set up!
@@NewLayer awesome, will do!!
This is on my list for sure. I have the VL150, so the 60 could be my carry around light or my fill/hair light for the 150.
It’s definitely a killer back or accent light option, especially paired with the VL150. With the reflector or small softbox, you can run it at lower power like 25% for half a day on a single set of batteries.
I do wish the VL and UL used the same remote as the ML60 but...
@@NewLayer Do they use the app?
@@themanfromgoteborg No app control on this, only on the VL and UL lights as far as I know.
There actually appears to be an umbrella holder on the Godox ML60. It's built right into the handle just like the Godox AD300.
Yep, I mentioned how the Forza 60 doesn’t have one, but I guess didn’t make it clear that I mentioned that because the ML60 DOES!
Thank you for this. It really helps me make some decisions. Very concise and relavant.
You're very welcome! If you decide to get one, I'd greatly appreciate it if you used my link. It really helps the channel :)
@@NewLayer Yes, I certainly will.
Great review of a great looking product. I've added this to my wish list - it'll make a decent backlight paired with the VL150
Thanks! And 💯 to that. A VL150 + ML60 might only be beat by an SL150W II + ML60 since they use the same remote, but if you need the V-Mount capability and carrying case of the VL, both are great choices.
I love your indepth review. Keep em coming 😉
Thanks! Got a ton more in the works.
Issue is these little lights need adaptors to fit bowens mount modifiers and then by the time you double diffuse the output is just not enough. Great as a rim, accent or background light I suppose but for that use might aswell just stick with some panels or flex led lights.
I too think they are ideal for back or accent lights, but it works well as a key light too, indoors at least. The SL60W is the main key light for many solo creators with 36" softboxes, and this light is a teeny bit brighter. If you get the 25-33" Godox-mount softboxes, they'll lose less light too.
Like you mentioned, using a Bowens adapter isn't ideal, although, the S2 bracket Godox has is much stronger than the Forza 60 adapter, so it can easily handle 36" or 48" softboxes, whereas the Forza 60 adapter is at its weight limit much sooner.
I would probably still recommend the SL150W II or VL150 if brightness is the main concern, but the ML60 does make a great light if you need the portability, and can definitely work as a key without much trouble.
@@NewLayer I think however you'll need that key in pretty tight to the talent which sometimes can be limiting.
@@FKfilmphotography Definitely. I think 150 watt lights are the best choice for a key in the majority of situations outside of simple talking head videos.
BEST ON POINT REVIEW!
Thank you! I really appreciate the support 👍
Love the videos, I’m picking up this light thanks to you, what stand would you recommend, this is my first more professional light, everything else I have bought is on the cheaper flimsier side, but not sure which more expensive ones are worth it.
Thanks for the support! I think you'll like this one because the build quality is top notch. I always prefer C-stands when I can use them because they are so sturdy. The Impact and Neewer ones are awesome for the price. This one has removable legs and a boom arm which can be really handy too: geni.us/impactcstand This one is more basic: geni.us/neewercstandblack
If you want something that folds up more compact without having to remove the legs, I have really like these Laofas HD air-cushioned stands I got. They are 42" collapsed, and should be plenty sturdy, especially for the ML60 + modifiers geni.us/laofashdlightstand
Hope that helps :)
I need to see how bright this is for photography and if it could replace the Lowel G1 light for us or even the practilite 602 for larger areas that need lighting
The Lowell G-1 is only around 1000 lux at flood (39 degree beam angle) while the Godox ML60 is 3040 Lux bare bulb, which is a much, MUCH wider 120 degree beam angle.
At full spot (10 degree beam), the G-1 is 6-7000 Lux. The ML60 with the stock reflector is around 13,000 Lux and the reflector is around 45 degrees I believe.
So the ML60 is VERY significantly brighter than the G-1, while having wider beam angles as well for more area coverage.
Although I don't have experience with the Practiclite, it is 90 watts and a Fresnel, so you can spot focus the light for higher efficiency. It's also bi-color though, so raw output wise, the ML60 should be very, very similar. You can use the Godox S2 Bowens adapter and buy a Bowens mount Fresnel if you need more controlled focusing power apart from the stock reflector.
I hope that helps!
@@NewLayer thanks man! You rock! I am ordering this asap!
@@WeddingDocumentary Happy to help! Thanks for the support :)
Love how you make lighting videos interesting. Do you have a recommendation for a particle lights. Want to add some depth in my shots. I have the godox vl200 as my keylight.
Thanks! I’m assuming particle was autocorrected from “practical”?
The Aputure B7c are unbeatable for putting in lamps geni.us/aputureb7c
I had 3 brands of cheap RGB LED bulbs and they all flickered.
Pocket lights also look really good, especially if they have a silicone diffuser on them. My current favorite pocket light is the Nanlite LitoLite 5C geni.us/nanlitelitolite5c
Tube lights are also awesome as practicals, and I think the Nanlite Pavotubes are my favorites. They come in 10”, 2’, and 4’.
geni.us/nanlitepavotube6cii
geni.us/nanlitepavotube15c
geni.us/nanlitepavotube
I have a couple videos on tube lights you might like too. Hope that helps 👍
Another great video! You basecally cover evrithing we filmmaker need to know. But can you make another video comparing this light with the jinbei? Thanks!
It’s not a direct comparison by I have an in depth review on the Jinbei already 😁 th-cam.com/video/3pRWDAF9IGE/w-d-xo.html
Waiting to see Aputures offering. 🤔🤔A 60D and 60x has been mentioned and is coming. It has a zooming head, a Bowen’s adapter for Bowen’s modifiers and the mini spotlight also looks cool.
The Sidus link app is incredible which is why I keep buying Aputure products vs the Forza and Godox COBs / LEDs.
I am super pumped for that too! I would expect it to be double the price or more, but like you said, it has some additional features and Aputure remote control is unmatched at the moment.
Which light is best for skin tone? I think aputure, would love to know for an upgrade...
The ML60 is right on par with top of the line single color COBs with a CRI of 96.4, TLCI of 97, and SSI of 73 when I measured. You can see all the specs here: newlayer.com/gear/lights/compare?light1=Godox+ML60&light2=Godox+SL60W
The R9, R13, and R15 values, which are the most important for skin tones, are 97.1, 98.7, 97, which can't get any better.
All that said, Godox color rendering accuracy, especially on this light, is essentially as good as it gets.
@@NewLayer thanks, awesome, subscribed ! :) going to watch now
@@neofilm Thanks for the support!
Best b roll best introduction best review and first comment baby 😂❤️
YEAHHH!! What a start to the weekend, haha.
I just don't understand that why your channel is not going up like a rocket considering the kind of information you are providing and how much it helps to individual filmmakers. I just don't understand?
Thanks! I appreciate that. Hopefully that'll happen soon :)
Hi there, thanks for great contents
By the way what is your speakers behind you, I’m shopping for one pair
I use the KRK Rokit 5s and love them 👍 geni.us/krkrokit5g4pair
really nice review! the only reason I still consider forza 60b is it's bi-color feature for potential gold color hair light usage. I really hope Godox will release a ML60bi color as well. Maybe I should wait a bit?
Godox is releasing the SZ150R soon, which is a 150 watt full RGB+WT COB, so not only will it be bi-color, but have full color support as well if that interests you. I'll do a video on that as soon as they become available.
Would you say this is good for lighting dance floor on wedding reception. Thanks for sharing.
Assuming it's a typical dark dance floor, then it would be great. If it's some kind of super brightly lit dance floor, then maybe, but I can't say I've seen that before, hehe.
This lights looks extremely tempting.
You won't do it... you won't buy 3 of them.
@@NewLayer 3? You mean I have to return one of them?
@@drigodesousa I just want you to leave some for the rest of the people, haha.
Hi, QUESTION ? Is the any 1/4 or 3/8 inch hole at the bottom of the handle ?
Good question! Unfortunately I don't have my light any more to check, but I don't think so.
@@NewLayer thanks for responding! Very much appreciated.
I've used a Forza60 in an S2 bracket. You have to mount it on its side to avoid fouling the modifier release button on the top but otherwise no problems. One nice thing about the Forza60 is the excellent native mount fresnel. It would be great if Godox made a Godox mount fresnel. In the UK the street price of the Forza60 has dropped recently. I bought one for £185 a few weeks ago, the ML60 costs £250 at the moment.
I love it! That honestly never crossed my mind. The S2 adapter is nicer than it seems in photos, so that's a great solution. And again, you're totally right about the Fresnel. I have the Forza 60 Fresnel and their larger one and both are fantastic.
I was slightly hesitant to talk about the higher pricing for the Forza light and accessories because I've noticed a lot of items going on sale from Nanlite, so I wonder if we'll see a permanent price drop.
I know they are working to revamp their entire mobile app to work with newer lights without the need for a hardware bridge, but the original Forza 60 is not firmware upgradeable, so I wouldn't be surprised if they release a Mark II in the next year.
@@NewLayer The Forza 60B is firmware upgradeable via a USB port under the rear. I too would not be surprised if they came up with a MK II Forza 60. The Forza 60B page promises a projection attachment for it which should be quite interesting. I wish Godox would offer a VLock battery power option for the S30 and the ML60. The Forza 60 has the DTap cable but it's surprisingly expensive.
@@tugwilson Yep, the 60B should be good to go once the new Nanlite app is done.
I've been trying to confirm V-mount support on the ML60, but haven't heard back. I don't see why it wouldn't work with a standard D-tap to barrel cable since 2 NP-Fs are the same voltage as 1 V-mount, but didn't want to say anything without testing it myself since they don't mention it.
I'll try to update the pinned comment if it ends up being possible.
Awesome man! 🤩👌🏻🎥
Thanks for checking it out!!! 😀
Brilliant video, just what I was looking for after your recent review of the Amaran P60 twins. Subscribed too. BTW, I'm really caught up between choosing a CoB vs a panel light for my small home setup. I really prefer something compact and easy to setup and dismantle. Don't really mind paying a few extra bucks to save valuable space. What are the smallest softboxes or diffusers I can use with the ML60bi? Would the silicon ones that are out for the ML30 be suitable and work for compact setup?
Thanks. Panels are great because of their size, however, there's a lot more softbox options for COB lights, so it just depends.
The 24-25" softboxes in the description are the smallest ones for the ML60 that fit the native mount. The only thing to keep in mind is that COB softboxes are deeper than the P60c/x softboxes, but they are softer because the surface area is bigger.
geni.us/godoxads60s
geni.us/glowgodoxads65
Hope that helps.
@@NewLayer Thanks for your response. I gather I'll not go wrong with either then :)
Is this bright enough to do a head and shoulders interview and maybe a little bit more?
If it's indoors in a controlled environment yes, assuming you are using a 2-3' softbox and can get the light within a few feet, or if you're shooting with the reflector into external diffusion. You may need to use it at a high brightness, but the fans on these lights are the quietest I've ever heard, so you'll have no issues with that and can move it very close if necessary.
The "maybe a little bit more" is tougher, because I guess that depends. A 150-watt light is a safer bet if you're worried about brightness. I would recommend a 150-watt light if you think you'll be working with ambient light coming in through windows, but 60 watts is great if you have full control over the setup.
Hope that helps.
@@NewLayer Thanks for the info!
Thanks for a great review! I found your channel trough this review and have watched many of your videos. Greta content!. Would this be an option for your own studio as a replacement to the Intellytech LiteCloth LC-160RGBW?
Im looking for a light that is light enough to hang from the sealing on a microphone boom arm like the rode psa 1.
Thanks! Glad you like my videos :)
Before the LiteCloth I had a Forza 60 in just a 24" softbox, so the ML60 would definitely be good for a desk mounted setup, especially with the AD-S60S, AD-S65S, or AD-S85S (or the Glow equivalents). Although, the Rode PSA 1 isn't strong enough to hold anything I can think of with any kind of softbox. It would hang down fine, but you couldn't really reposition the height since the boom springs are too weak to hold it in a specific spot.
Honestly I don't have a lot of experience with ceiling mounted lights, so I'm not sure what the best solution would be. Here are links to the softboxes I mentioned though if that helps.
geni.us/godoxads60s
geni.us/godoxads65s
geni.us/godoxads85s
geni.us/glowgodoxads65
geni.us/glowgodoxads85
compared to jinbei ef ii 60, which one should i choose? I really need the quieter fan noise, brighter, n better color production. Thank you.
The ML60 is the quietest fan out of any fan-cooled light I've used, so it definitely wins there. Brightness and color accuracy are the same. The ML60 is a much, much better build, and more portable since it's a Godox mount light, and all those soft boxes and accessories are very lightweight and cheap. If you can afford it, I highly recommend the ML60.
Great review 👌🏻 I’m looking for a small led continuous light for my watch photography do you think this would be good for this ? I’d only be using a small modifier so this looks like it could fit the bill.
Thanks! This light would definitely be killer for small item photography like watches 👍👍
@@NewLayer thanks very much 🙏🙏👌🏻
Does Godox ML60 has umbrella holder?
Yes it does! It's part of the handle, so that must be attached to use an umbrella. Or, you can use the Bowens mount adapter, which also has a built in umbrella adapter.
Great review. Just recently bought a vl300 and 150 and was looking for a 3rd effect light. I’d like to use the SA-P Projection Attachment. Is it the same mount?
And therefore the same mount than the s30?
Unfortunately it's not the same mount as the S30, so can't natively use the projection attachment (geni.us/godoxsap)
I use it on my Bowens mount lights with the SA-17 adapter (geni.us/godoxsa17) but the only way I see being able to use it on the ML60 is using that AND the S2 Bowens adapter bracket at the same time geni.us/godoxs2bracket
I really hope they come out with a direct adapter for the Projection Attachment to the Godox Mount, because the ML60 would be a great candidate for that.
Too bad. Thanks for quick and full response
Godox is making a lot of neat stuff right now.
💯 I’m hoping they release a bi-color COB next.
@@NewLayer If you like small portable lights, I recommend getting a D18 Emisar fashlight (the 95 CRI verion). It's tiny, 3000 lumins, dimmable and waterproof. intl-outdoor.com/emisar-d18-151.html
@@jesseyules Looks pretty interesting. I recently got the Bitlighter, so it would be fun to compare the two.
Great review, I'm sold.
I just present the facts, so the light sold itself :)
If you pick one up, I'd be very grateful if you used my links!
@@NewLayer definitely will do! (And your review style is great, it definitely helps sell products!)
@@nakleh Thanks! I try to be as unbiased as possible, but I do get excited about gear, so I guess that helps. Although, I wouldn't say I have the most enthusiastic appearance on the outside, haha.
This might be the little light I need 🤔 Godox looks super portable for run and gun setup
Definitely is, especially with the detachable battery clip. It will save your arm on long handheld shoots!
Hi, first thx for your great videos.😀
I have very small place for photo and now I have only Godox C5R RGB light. I am interested for small products photography. Do you think that ML60bi will be much better choice than C5R? Thx
Thanks! And yes, the ML60/Bi would be a huge upgrade over the C5R. Both in brightness, and in quality of light with a softbox!
thanks a lot for this video! really great review. i'm looking to buy some video lights, and this settles it: ML60 it is
You're welcome, it's still a great light!
I've found your channel really useful for looking at lights! I'm looking at a battery powered light and am considering the Jinbei EF II 60 or the ML60 as good options. I already have a Godox SL-60W and SL-150W II, but am looking for a smaller, portable option for certain shooting situations where I may not be able to plug it into power or have limited space.
I can buy the Jinbei for less than half the price of the ML60 ($185 vs $400 in AUD). Is the ML60 really that much better? Also I already have Bowens mount light modifiers so I would have to either buy a bowens mount adapter or a new softbox for the ML60.
Would love your thoughts on these two, or perhaps their is another suitable option I have missed?
You should also consider the Amaran 60d/x th-cam.com/video/m1cXOypWocc/w-d-xo.html
The Jinbei is good, but the build quality is lacking and I'm hearing more issues from people that it doesn't work with some brands/types of batteries, and it's impossible to make a list of which ones work and don't.
@@NewLayer Thanks so much for your thoughts! Really appreciate it and the Amaran 60d looks like it might be a suitable fit for what I'm looking for and is definitely more affordable than the Godox ML60. Also really helpful to know the Jinbei has a few flaws.
Thanks!
Great video. Dude, you look exactly like a young Kirk Douglas.
No one has ever said that before, but I 100% agree! Aaron Rodgers and Jake Gyllenhal a few times... but I'll take any of the three, haha.
Thanks for the great video! Do you have any idea if this light works with the Godox AK-R1 modifiers?
Unfortunately they dont. The AK-R1 modifiers do fit the Godox R1 pocket lights though (geni.us/godoxr1)
The problem is that the ML60 is bigger, and doesn't have magnets in it like the other products that support those.
@@NewLayer Thank You! I still think these are GREAT! I wonder how well this would work with the Godox S2 and Aputure Fresnel 2X. Have a good one!
@@IOS.mobile It should work great, even though their Fresnel is perfectly matched to the distance of their COB from the lens, the functional difference should be nearly nothing. AND, with the S2 adapter, you can actually slide the ML60 back and forth to get the best coverage anyways :)
@@NewLayer Thanks! Being able fine tune it in the S2 seems like a great way to go. The ML60 looks to have a round COB. Not having a square spot like many of the other cheaper COB's would also be a plus.
I wonder if this setup would overpower
bright sunlight for outdoor shoots.
@@IOS.mobile If you used the stock reflector you'd get a usable brightness for fill or back light for sure. Definitely don't count on it to overpower the sun in any kind of soft box though.
Great video as ever
Thanks Curtis, I appreciate it 😁
Great review! Was looking forward to this review and it doesn’t disappoint. I think the ML60 is a clear winner over the Forza 60 unless you’re invested in Nanlite. The Godox looks more refined, has quieter fans and has more included for the money. Still slightly pricey though. They could have packaged this light without the extras and sold it at like $199 and it would be a no brainer over the popular SL60W. Now the only thing missing for me is I wish they released a bicolor version of this as well. Thinking some Major League Bicolor MLB60 lol. I think I’ll pick up this light still. Can you recommend any gels to make it bicolor?
Another question, do you find that the AD-S60S paired with the ML60 is soft and good enough for a talking head key light for its size or better to step up to the AD-S65S? I know there’s the AD-S85S as well but find that too big.
I'm happy to hear you liked this one!
I have many of the same thoughts, and think if the ML60 was even $249 or $229 it would sell out immediately.
When the rumors started for a new Godox light, I was expecting a bi-color option, so I still think that's coming soon. And I promise if they have an MLB60 I'll use that joke haha.
For my talking head videos I only use a 24" (although square) softbox, so the AD-S60S should do well, as long as it's pretty close. I use mine at just 2-3 feet away. The 85 would be a safer choice if you need a bit more distance.
Hope that helps!
@@NewLayer You could get 2 jinbey efii60 for that price, if you are looking for value to money. I don't know both but build quality seems to be the difference www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1567165-REG/jinbei_1_05_031304_efii_60_led_sun_light_incl.html/reviews
@@danielvilliers612 Yep. The build of the Jinbei is the lowest out of almost every light I have. It’s also louder, has en exposed COB, and doesn’t have a case or handle for handheld use. It’s still a good light, but definitely has tradeoffs for the price.
Not to mention it’s hardly ever in stock, haha.
Super helpful! Thx so much. 💛🙏🏼
Happy to help! Glad you liked it :)
Do you think it is even usable when you put ML60 in a softbox? I have a UL150 and even that does not produce enough light when in a softbox with diffusion on... I am asking because I am thinking of buying one because of portability but I am not sure if it is bright enough...I want to be able to use it for both video and (sometimes) photo with my AD300 and AD400....for fashion and beauty applications...appreciate your feedback...
The ML60 is 1 full stop dimmer than the 150 watt Godox lights, so if the UL150 is not bright enough, the ML60 will be 1 stop darker. You can compare all kinds of lights here: newlayer.com/gear/lights/compare?light1=Godox+ML60&light2=Godox+UL150
A lot of people coming from strobes don't find continuous lights bright enough, because they are used to shooting at ISO 100, f/8, and 1/125, but video is different. A comfortable brightness for continuous lights if in this zone: f/2.8-5.6, 1/50-1/125, ISO 400-800. So, long story short, you need strobes for photos, or to get comfortable shooting at higher ISOs and wider apertures.
The other option is to buy 300 watt+ lights, or use multiple 150 watt lights in place of a single strobe. I hope that helps :)
@@NewLayer Thank you very much the link is awesome. I thought ML60 would be 2 stops dimmer than UL150 comparing the LUX output. You are right about video vs photo lighting. I think the size and portability of ML60 could be very useful and might be worth giving up one stop for it. it is a good looking light.
@@fhdstudio Doubling the output (in lux, or any other measurement) will be 1 stop brighter. Then doubling that again will be another 1 stop, etc. And I agree, the ML60 is one of my favorite lights :)
@@NewLayer thank you, I understand but I was basing my numbers (app two stops) on Godox website. It mentions 13000 lux for ML60 and 58000 Lux for ul150 @1m with the reflector....)
@@fhdstudio Ah yeah. Can’t trust those w/reflector numbers 😅
Do you feel the ml60 is just a portable, silent sl60?
Pretty much! Portable and silent + carrying case with Godox-mount instead of Bowens mount.
Do you have a comparison video of the Jinbei EF 60 II and the Nanlite Forza 60? I need to know if the fan noise on the Forza is better than Jinbei’s.
I don’t have a direct comparison, but they are very comparable. I wouldn’t choose one over the other because the fan noise is so close.
@@NewLayer i love how fast you reply to comments! Thanks a lot bro! Do you have any experience with the Jinbei EFD 300? I love Jinbei lights and flashes. They seem to be pretty good and relatively cheap!
@@mustafak4378 I don't sorry. I've only ever used the EFII-60, EFII-200, and EF-200Bi.
Why wouldn't this be compared to the slb-60? Just curious since that was the other Godox light @ 60w that was portable?
Good point! The SLB60W is honestly just overpriced by 100%. The ML60 beats it in every single way, except for the Bowens mount.
You can get the ML60 + S2 Bowens mount for much less than the SLB60W, so it's a much better deal even then.
The SLB60W is louder, uses proprietary batteries, has no carrying case, is larger/heavier, worse build quality, costs more...
In my mind it's such a no brainer I kind of forgot to mention it haha.
Do you know if the nanlite fresnels work well with the godox? Apparently the Aputure fresnels aren't ideal. Cheers!
The Forza 60/60B mini Fresnel won't fit the ML60 since they are different mounts, and I wouldn't really recommend a Bowens fresnel on the ML60 because you'll need the Bowens adapter and the distance from the COB to the lens will be out of whack.
If you mean the Godox native Bowens mount lights, it works, just may not be the perfect match like same-branded lights and Fresnels. I always recommend matching when you can.
In one of your other videos I think you mentioned a bag/case recommendation for the Godox lights since most of them don't come with cases. Is there a link to that you can provide? Thanks!
I'm in the midst of that video right now! Hopefully just a couple more weeks. Luckily the ML60 comes with a good case, but I'll have 10 options in the upcoming video :)
Thanks for the quick response, I'll keep my eye out for the new video.
I want the Godx ML60 in bi-colour :( do you think they will release one??
also the Godox SZ15R is out of my budget.
The SZ150R is pretty expensive. And Aputure and Nanlite both make bi-color 60 watt lights, so hopefully Godox will too, although I haven't heard anything yet.
I've got the RC -A5II Godox remote, but can't connect it to my ML60. Also - what kind of batteries are compatible with it? Only the NP-F970 L-Series or can I get something more powerful?
Hmmm... are you sure the channel and group are set the same on both the light and remote?
And yes, only NP-F batteries. The big ones should last quite a while though.
How Nalite Forza 60 compares in pure light output strenght to Godox ML60 with reflector on them both in your opinion? Thank you and regards.
Both lights are identical in output bare bulb, but I haven’t measured both with the stock reflectors, because they might be different beam angles, so not an accurate comparison. They should be very close though. Sorry I don’t have a definitive answer.
I am looking for a first proper video light to shoot product videos and talking heads. Before this came out I was already decided to go for godox vl150. I like the portability of the ml60 since I travel a lot but on the other hand I am not sure if getting vl150 light isn't a better option (I like the universal softbox mount). Are you planning to make a comparison video or could suggest straight away which one is better for my needs?
I'm not planning on a VL vs ML specific comparison, but I did a big comparison of ALL the 150 watt+ Godox lights here th-cam.com/video/2DEuihHpJ00/w-d-xo.html as well as an in-depth review of the VL series here: th-cam.com/video/u8nnQe2Ec4c/w-d-xo.html
I have other Godox light reviews in this playlist as well: th-cam.com/play/PLEjFMg29XlSy01gDykVjfayHZdFFCcdrP.html
The VL150 is one of my favorite lights of all time, and apart from the Bowens mount, it is also a good deal brighter, making it more flexible as a key light. You could always get the ML60 and if you find it's not quite bright enough in some situations, pick up a VL150 and use the ML60 as a back/hair light, because it's perfect for that as well.
@@NewLayer thanks for the reply ! I will go with the vl150 :) keep up the good work!
@@KarolPlucinski I don't think you'll be disappointed. It's a killer light. I'd greatly appreciate if you used one of my links if you found my videos helpful. It really helps the channel a lot geni.us/godoxvl150
Great video man, I'm torn between investing on a Godox ML60 or a VL150 as my first light. I know the VL150 is more expensive, but it's also more powerful. I also considered a FalconEyes flexible LED panel, but I want something that gives me more options... any thoughts?
Thanks! Both are good choices, so I guess it depends on your goals.
The ML60 makes a good key light for controlled situations indoors, but also a great back/hair light. So you might pick that up and down the road if you want more brightness, it can become the perfect secondary light to the VL150.
At the same time, I've never regretted having too bright a light :)
I am all about efficiency, so a small light like the ML60 is nice to have when you know you don't need the brightness.
Overall, I typically steer away from panels and towards COBs because they have infinitely more modifier choices, so I would go that direction.
I hope that helps!
i gonna buy a light for my video work . at first i was choosing sl60 but now i see this video i m little confuse .. plz make a comparison video between sl60 and ml 60
SL60W is bigger, louder, has a Bowens mount, doesn’t have a case, and has no battery option. That’s pretty much the gist of it 😃
@@NewLayer but is ml 60 powerful enough like sl60 ?
@@PulakChowdhury ML60 is 1/3 stop brighter than the SL60W. You can compare them here newlayer.com/gear/lights/compare?light1=Godox+SL60W&light2=Godox+ML60
thank u...
The batteries are not included but can the batteries be charged with what is supplied
No, you need a separate battery charger. This is a high capacity, very inexpensive set I've used that has worked fine for a long time geni.us/powerextranpfkit
Nice review and video
Thanks! Happy to help.
Hi ! Thank you for your great review ! I owe a forza 60 with a bowens adapter. I got the godox softbox s65s... would it be possible to use this godox softbox with my forza 60 with an adapter ? I tried to look around but didn't find any clear answer... Do you have any idea ? Thank you for the great work !! ;)
Happy to help! Unfortunately I don't know of a Forza 60 to Godox mount adapter, so it's not possible, at least right now.
Hello Sir , I want to know which light is best for outdoor Shoots ??
If you're talking about shooting during the day, then I would highly suggest a 150 watt or brighter light. A 60 watt light would be OK only if you used the stock reflector, but then you'd get very harsh light.
If you're hoping to use a softbox of any kind in daylight, you'll need a 300 watt light or brighter.
I hope that helps :)
Thanks alot
Great review! I was interested to know whether such a light would be sufficient for portraits at/just after sunset? Using a reflector 1-2 meters away from the model?
Thanks!
Thanks! With the stock reflector you will have plenty of light at sunset! Once you start using soft boxes is when it gets iffy outside.
@@NewLayer awesome I feel relieved!!! Thanks so much for the quick reply 😁
How does this compare sizewise to the Jinbei EFII-60? Despite stock issues, leaning towards the Jinbei as it has the batteries in unit and has a bowens mount built in so I can use my current softboxes.
The EF II 60 is about the same size as the Godox SL60W, which is around 9" x 9" x 5.5". The ML60 is a good deal smaller at 5.7" x 3.5" x 3.5". Of course, that's before you add the handle to it.
The nanlite can run off of NPF batteries?
Yes, with the battery handle, the Forza 60/B can also be run with NP-F batteries.
Great job, thanks. Ordered.
Awesome, thanks for the support! Let me know how you like it when it arrives :)
Are any of the 60w LED lights good for shooting outdoor to brighten up the subject or shooting against windows?
All the 60 watt lights are pretty much the same brightness. With that said, if you're using a 24" or smaller soft box, you can use them as a subtle fill light, but they definitely won't be bright enough as a key light except maybe if you're using the stock reflector, but in that case, you'll get harsh shadows.
You could also maybe use one as a key light in a 24" soft box if the light is within just 1-2 feet of the subject.
can you user Godox AD-S60S Octabox for nanlite forza 60 ?
Nope, they are two different mounts.
Thanks for your answers. very helpful to me.❤
Will batteries like the npf550 and npf750 work with this light as well? Albeit with shorter running time?
Yes they will! All NP-F batteries are 7.2-7.4V regardless of capacity, so any size will work.
Hi, I have read and watched enough videos on the comparison and I still could not decide which I should get.
So I am just gonna seek your advice point-blank. Which of the 2 would you buy today? ML60 or Forza60.
Without saying too much, I’d buy the ML60 simply because it’s less expensive for something that serves the same function, especially after adding up the accessories, and I’ll all about saving money when possible. Hope that helps 😅
I have the Wellmaking HL 800, I bought It because don't need Bowens mount adapter like the Nanlite or this. Did you try the Wellmaking HL 800?
I have not tried that light. It looks like it could be a decent light with not so good build quality, but depending on the type of work you do, it could be perfect.
Does it only hold one battery at a time? I can’t imagine that light putting out anywhere near what the Godox lights can using 1 battery at just 7.4V.
@@NewLayer The light use One battery but is a 14.8V battery
@@DraculaNosferatu123 Oh I see. It’s a proprietary battery but in NP-F form factor. I’ve never seen one of those before!
is it Good ML 60 controllable from APP ?
No mobile app support for this light sadly :(
@@NewLayer that is strange..... apurture amaran cob 60x had app control.
You have used both......which one gives more value for the price if buying with a softbox ( ligh dome SE or godox 65 cm correspondently) ?
@@ashotgaziyan8876 I would pick the Amaran 60d/x most of the time because it's native Bowens mount and has Sidus Link mobile app control. If you haven't already seen my review on the Amaran lights, you can check it out here: th-cam.com/video/m1cXOypWocc/w-d-xo.html
Can I use this for portrait photography
You can, although continuous lights in general are not nearly as bright as even small dedicated strobes. You'll get 3-4 more stops of light from a cheap strobe than even a 150 watt continuous LED, so if you do just photography I'd still recommend strobes.
Hello, can you tell me if the Forza 60 is strong enough to be used as a keylight filming a coke in a kitchen setup? Hope to hear from you. Greetz
Indoors in a controlled environment (meaning no window light or anything contaminating the scene) the Forza 60 (or any 60+ watt light) will be bright enough in a 24-36" softbox to film something like that. Especially if you're shooting close ups, you can get the light just 1-2 feet away and have plenty of brightness to work with.
Hope that helps :)
@@NewLayer That helps me a lot, thank you! Like your reviews! Greetz from Holland
Would a UL150 and a ML60 would be a good choice?
Absolutely. The UL150 is awesome, even if it’s a little large and heavy. The only thing to watch out for is that the UL/VL lights use the RC-A5II remote and the ML60 uses the RC-A6 remote, so you’d have to buy that separately.
Can you control ML60 with the SL60 controller? Can you control both lights with 1 control?
The ML60 uses the RC-A6 remote, while the old SL series uses the RC-A5 remote.
The FV and SL Mark II lights use the RC-A6 remote, so if you have those, you can control the ML60 with the same remote.
The VL and UL lights use the RC-A5 II remote.
@@NewLayer so basically there is no way to control them both at the same time. Since godox used different types of controller for each light. Thank you
@@AlfaMedtech Correct, not the SL60W and ML60.
I don't have any lights like this and don't really need more then one, what would the advantage for this light vs the Jinbei EF II 60?
Someone else asked this so you may want to look for my reply to that just in case I forget anything here. This light is much quieter, top-of-the-line build quality, comes with a case, and maybe most importantly, is easy to buy.
The Jinbei light has been in and out of stock a lot and most people have not even been able to find the remote. It also does not come with any kind of hand grip, so keep that in mind if you plan to use it handheld.
This light also shares a remote with other very popular lights so it’s easier to build a complete set, although I know you said that’s not a huge consideration.
The only things the Jinbei light has over this are the native Bowens mount and the price.
I hope I’m not making either one sound better or worse than it actually is, because I do love both lights.
Also, if you hadn’t already seen, I did a full review on the Jinbei light as well th-cam.com/video/3pRWDAF9IGE/w-d-xo.html
@@NewLayer yes I've seen your review, I've been looking for another review of the jinbei but I can't find any. It's definitely not a very popular option. Thanks for your quick and detail reply, you definitely have one of the most informative channels I know of!
can this be used for weddings? (first dance and speeches)
Yes, especially if you plan to use it with the stock reflector. In dark settings you would be able to use it from a good 20 feet away.
@@NewLayer thanks! I was planning on using a V200 but figured it’s too big and too bright lol
@@louiedc8703 Another issue with the VL200 is that it uses 2 v-mount batteries, making it even more cumbersome. The ML60 is definitely designed to be mobile.
Would I be able to use the ML60 instead of a strobe (i.e. AD300)?
Somewhat. You definitely could but a dedicated strobe will be brighter than a continuous light in almost all cases. The Godox FV series has some built in flash functionality that gives you a couple of extra stops of brightness over running then in continuous mode. I did a video on those here th-cam.com/video/XbzPndcSKbI/w-d-xo.html
*QUESTION:* If my aim is to achieve soft key / fill light as my first purchase of lighting- how do you think the ML60 will compare to a flexible LED panel like the Falconeyes?
Since these flexible LEDs are Bi-Color or even RGB- this means that instead of advertised 100W or 150W - they will give you about half the power, making them probably closer to 60W, as the ML60. On the other hand, probably getting a different color other than daylight from the ML60 might be a hassle [or impossible to mount gels], and the ML60's softbox would be huge compared to a softbox+honeycomb of a flexible LED.
Any thoughts, buddy? [Amazing review btw!]
I did a review on a similar product to the FalconEyes panel here if that helps th-cam.com/video/cc6wD-PrzMQ/w-d-xo.html
Having bi-color can be nice for sure if you’re shooting in situations where you can’t control the ambient light as well, but like you said, you lose some power.
Honestly, once you add diffusion to the flexible panels, they are essentially the same brightness as a COB with a softbox, so it depends more on whether you like the form factor. The ML60 is lightning quick to set up, which I like.
I personally prefer COBs unless I am physically limited in a way where a panel works better. You can get a bunch of different modifiers whereas the flexible panels are basically just 1 locked in size.
Hope that helps :)
The godox light looks so great, i want haha.
It really is a killer all-around light, more capable than a lot of people think for its size :)
Is the battery grip as a charger as well?
It is not, so you'll still need a regular NP-F charger.
Do you think this is powerful enough as a key light with a doble diffuse softbox?
It definitely is, depending on the size of your softbox, and if you're indoors with controlled lighting. I used a Forza 60 (which is the same brightness) for my talking head setup for a long time in a 24", double diffused softbox with a grid, and only had it at 33% power at 1/50 sec, f/2.8, and ISO 400. It was only about 2-3' away.
So you could use this in a 36" softbox from 3-5 feet and be fine, but just may need to go closer to 100% brightness.
Hope that helps :)
Can it be powered through v mount batteries
Nope, just NP-F!
I was going to buy the Forza 60... now I don't know.
Great video though!
Then my job is done... haha. If you have any other specific questions let me know.
I have the remote a6 and the ml 60 but i cannot use the remote whoever i set both of them same channel and same category , please help my
Sorry, you'd have to contact the retailer you bought from. If you have the same channel/group/ID selected on the light and remote it should work instantly. If not, there might be an issue with your light.