It's unfortunate that the memory seat is only available in the latest trim + package (CAN). Do you know if the seat would adjust automatically based on the fingerprint digital profile?
Great videos, keep your good work. At @ 16:00 I see another problem: you stop for No1 and café and all charging stations are taken. Happened to me many times, fortunately I was with a PHEV...
@@Debate_everything I think it depends on the person. For me after about 250 I'm ready to stop, use the restroom, stretch my legs (I'm 6ft4), grab some snacks so might as well charge. Im single with no kids but some who travel with others and kids may be stopping anyways often with them. For me even with my Ariya that charges at a max 130kw/hr I have been fine. Getting this that charges nearly 2x as fast will really be all I need
I heard that they remove the bench in the middle to reduce the weight of the car and increase the range to fall under the transport authority policy or something. That's the official statement from car manufacturers.
The Kia EV9 has just been released here in Australia. While our north american cousins may treat it as a "mid-size" SUV, to us it's a massive and very heavy car. The infrastructure required to charge it is considerable. Most homes here are limited to around 80-100a feeders coming into them. At 240v that is around 20 kw for a typical 80a feeder on single phase. Given that this has to supply the house as well as extra power for the charger, how long would it take using a typical 30a "fast charging" solution to top up the largest of those batteries? And what is the charging infrastructure like in the US or Canada? First time that I saw one such station, was at a market in Vancouver 3 years ago. The specs, however, ARE impressive, as are the equipment levels. We have a Kia Sorento, an "AWD" 2.2l diesel which is a nice car to drive and on long trips we can get up to 800 km (500 miles for those who still measure stuff in cubits) from it, with economy as low as 6l/100km (yeah yeah, stupid way to measure fuel economy, I know) which competes with many smaller hybrids out there.
Hi guys! Love your videos. My wife and I tried the ev9 wind trim. While the car drive excellent, the seats felt a bit too firm... almost uncomfortable. Did you get that sense at all?
Great to see a review conducted in Arizona. Since I live in Phoenix my big question is how well does the HVAC handle the Arizona heat? I test drove an Aryia and it was a fine car, but couldn't keep the interior cool enough at only 105.
Thank you Andrea and Zack as usual for the amazing review. I am planning to purchase this EV and would like to ask for your comment on these two concerns please. 1. What is the estimate waiting time for this EV9 ? 2. I am planning to tow a boat and its weight is approximately 2000 lbs below the towing capacity of the EV9. The only pitfall I am facing is during the boat launching and retrieving. This is due to the fact that the rear wheels of the EV9 would be submerged approximately 3/4 of its diameter in the water and as a result, the rear motor and/or part of the battery compartment might predictably be under the water as well. Would this cause thermal runaway even if for a short period of time being under water? Thank you for your comment.
We are doing a follow-up video on this with new quotes from Hyundai Canada on their battery replacement costs and what their battery warranty includes. Hyundai Canada is now taking charge of all battery related issues that customers are having. We are still doing some research on all this and gathering information so we have the correct facts to present but once we have it all we will drop the video. Hoping to release it this week sometime.
@@stevenstewart1308 If you watched their previous video, you would know what I’m talking about. $60,000CAD for an out of warranty replacement on the Ioniq5. It does not cost you $60,000 CAD to replace the battery in a Model Y for example.
@@LiquidTurbo have you priced a Tesla battery? Do you know the actual price? And as fast as the other video goes, you don't have to replace the entire battery pack. You can take it apart and replace the individual battery modules which there are 32 of, and I know this because I've had one of those batteries apart before. This whole 60K battery thing got blown way out of proportion by people who don't actually know what they are talking about.
@@stevenstewart1308 it’s really simple. You don’t have to make it out like you’re some genius of EVs and talking down to everyone like you’re superior. You’re not. You can look up the cost of a full Tesla EV pack replacement. It’s everywhere. You can also look up the cost of an entire pack replacement for the Ioniq5. It’s an actual part number you can find directly on Hyundai’s website. Will Hyundai offer individual cell replacement for their customers? I don’t think so, so your comment is a moot point. If I’m wrong, show me where I can get a service from Hyundai to change a specific cell only when the pack is out of warranty?
@@LiquidTurbo holy shit man. I'm a tech at Kia. I know for a fact you can buy the individual battery modules, replace them and then Kia send a guy to the dealership with the cell balancing machine to balance the charge in all the cells since the new cell only comes with half a charge in it. I'm not talking like I know everything but the vast majority of people on here have no clue what they are talking about and are just regurgitating wrong info they get from others that don't have a clue either.
Not a fan of all the haptic buttons and screen for the HVAC. Why didn't any one at Kia actually try using them while driving before green-lighting them?
Merry Christmas Is it powered tilt and telescoping steering wheel? I have never seen this future in any non luxury brands. Me and my partner has different preferences for the steering wheel adjustment and its quiet annoying to manually adjust it every time.
@@carlnelson9162 Derecho was local. You can drive 5 minutes. Had an ice storm this spring some without power again for 3 days. Some for a week. Power grid. Power grid is pretty crappy and hasn't been maintained for years. Québec for a fact is like that. They wait to break then fix. Québec roads are in bad shape. Now add the extra weight of these EV's. That should increase infrastructure deterioration.
@Motormouth I'd love to hear your thoughts on CBC's investigative report regarding KIA Canada's decision to withhold the majority of car deliveries for the rest of the year, choosing to store available vehicles on lots instead of expediting them to long waiting customers.
I’ve been waiting for this review, you guys always give the best reviews, watching from NL, loving my 21 Telluride SX, guaranteed id love this even more. Thanks
Hey, maybe I missed it but for future EV reviews, could you please tell us how many kW is required per 100km/60 miles and what you achieved? (when possible of course, sometimes you don't have it for long enough). That way we can know how much it will cost us, once we multiply the amount by local per kW price. For example, Tesla model Y needs at least 15 kW of energy for each 100km, where as a larger and heavier EV such us the Hummer EV need over 30 kW for same distance. When not charging at home, the difference can be quite significant. Thanks!
Thanks again for the Motormouth team about bringing another great review to NA users like us. By chance I am visiting the International MotorXpo Hong Kong (IMXpo) 2023 this weekend. Traditional brands really needed to step up their game to compete with EV offerings from China.
You are right about range BUT, how many places can we find a charging station?? And one that works or has no one already getting their car charged? I have NO plans on buying an EV. I also will not wait for a hybrid, buying gas is not an issue in my world.
I like the look of this one if not the cost as per usual with all these current generation EVs. I am waiting for more updates on the whole battery replacement story as that was enough to make me lean away from EVs all together until there is more clarity on that particular issue/ your mother would just drive her own hybrid! :)
I did hear that the $60K was very much miss quoted by someone at Hyundai , The Ioniq Guy did a very good video on that . I think because of that $60K video it will open the eyes of buyer and dealership for more awareness .
@@caseybowman1243 From other video and what I have read there are places that can repair a battery for a lots less , I think as current owner of an EV I would be doing a lot research before paying out that much for a new battery.
@@shaunmckenna1923 all I mean is the video the other guy is talking about is a fake/lie.. look at the invoice and google the prices for yourself. I don’t know why these people are misrepresenting this, but they are.
Thanks for the review. As always, great job. You guys are super charming, and well spoken. Typical Canadians... I wish the EV9 had a bit more range, but I guess for the price it sort of falls in line with the competition. After your look at the battery fiasco in BC with the Hyundai Ionic 5, I am now more curious about the warranty details on Hyundai/Kia vehicles though.
Great review as always Andrea and Zack! What a beast of a vehicle. What was the weather and temp like out there in AZ? Planning a trip out there in January. Thanks, John (Vancouver)
Amazing looking vehicle...could definitely see myself in one after the charging networks builds out. Update of EVs I think will really happen once next gen SSB (Solid State Batteries) takes us to the same range as ICE/Hybrid and likely even better range..
Very impressive ranges & features for the size. For RWD model, is this a 50/50 balanced vehicle because that would be the only time when a RWD is as safe as a FWD vehicle in the snow? Do I loos my warranty when the battery protection shield is scratched and how much is the replacement battery cost?
Great review, as always. Thank you. I noted that only the driver's seat has massage. I test drove a loaded GV80 and would have bought it on the spot to replace an aging ML350, but it did not have a passenger massage seat option. What the heck? Do the Hyundai/Kia/Genesis engineers and marketing people all hate their spouses? If you have any contacts over there, please let them know that dual front massage seats is a requirement, if massage seats are in the car. That aside, I have been very impressed with theiir products. We had a smaller KIA SUV rental a couple of weeks ago - with 44,000 miles on it - and it was still solid, no rattles, seats were in great condition, steering was tight. That is phenomenal for a car that has been in rental service for that many miles.
16:30 Another point on the range/road trip with kids issue is that EVERY stop takes longer with kids. Everyone always brings up how much faster it is to throw the gas in the tank, but you're always there much longer. Even just getting the kids out then back in the damn car takes 5-10 minutes lol.
I would like to see more competition in USA ...bring BYD, NIO, Xpeng, Huawei, etc to the market. This will bring better quality, innovation, range, and cost down!
This review really makes the case for the Genesis that will surely follow. Thanks for a great review, although, I always wonder what a replacement battery on one of these babies is gonna cost. 💸💰💸
It wasn't Kia (and Hyundai) that didn't want wireless, they had a contractual dispute with their navigation provider, TomTom, that prevented them from having it in cars with built-in navigation. Looks like they've switched partners with their latest generation of infotainment, thankfully.
I finally got to see the GT model today at my local dealer. It’s definitely a little bit more compact that I was expecting it to be not necessarily a bad thing however, it looks pretty spacious. I am disappointing in the range this vehicle for a vehicle that is being pushed as a passenger vehicle, etc. 280 miles is very low.
500 miles range ???? wow... people not knowing about electric vehicles don't understand.... how much time do you think it would take to charge such a battery??? Ask any F150 lightning owner. Nowadays, you're better off with a smaller battery/but quick charging capacity. That's the key to make it to destination in about the same as an ICE
There are situations where big batteries are important, in particular driving into and then out of a remote area. I recently took a trip to a destination with no fast chargers or even public level 2 chargers. The nearest en route fast charger was 150 miles away, meaning I would have needed at least 300 miles of real world range, with no margin for error or for driving around at the destination. I had to resort to level 2 chargers along the way, which added hours to the trip. The good news is that there is a closer fast charger under construction that will make the trip much easier next time. But, it's not complete yet, and there are other similar places without infrastructure. Until the infrastructure gets fixed, big batteries will have their place.
@@dansanger5340Will be situations like you described for awhile. Infrastructure will get there. Fact is…the majority of people in family SUVs drive less than 50 miles per day…like 98% of the time.when you really think about it buying a car to fit your road trips is like buying a pickup because you move every 2 years. But yes, more chargers are needed. 👍
You two do an amazing job with your car reviews. I like watching the both of you as well as Anna on Roads. Keep up the great work and keep the car reviews coming. BTW, when will you review 2024 BMW X7 or X5 (maybe I missed it 😁)...and 2024 Ranger Roover.
Anybody notice that in a number of their videos filmed in the USA (e.g. this one Arizona) that the vehicles have province of Ontario license plates. How is that?
Kia dealerships, specifically South Florida, and Del Ray Kia, are marking up these cars by a lot. If you lease it, they are increasing the money factor by .004 or 10% over bank rate. Don't buy from dealers.
I own today Telluride and EV6 and was all up for this EV9. But with the KIA badge, price tag for GT-Line and range, they just don’t go along. The range needs to be around 400 miles for it to work. Putting Genesis badge will not work either as that does not sell well. So either need to bring the price down or need to increase the range to make it appealing to the KIA customers.
question for us Canadian fans about the $5000 federal rebate. Is that $5000 off the price of the vehicle if you lease or buy OR is that a $5000 credit towards my taxes in tax season?
Looks like a great vehicle, but in Canada EV range and recharging infrastructure (not to mention time to charge) just isn't there yet for drivers outside large metropolitan areas - especially in winter. I have a Kia PHEV but won't be going for a full EV until sold state batteries with double the range and 10 minute charging times are available. That'll be a game changer.
This is why EV's make sense as small urban commuters, not big inter-urban cruisers. The problem is that the car companies can't/won't make a profitable small EV at today's economies, so they can only sell big premium EV's that are too expensive for normal city people and have too short range for inter-urban/rural.
@@robertduklus6555 I get that but 400km would still be enough for the 29 other days. It's no different than the people who buy a huge truck cuz they might need to put something in the box a few times a year. I'm not saying you need to buy an EV, or anyone else does, but you, me and most others could easily live with 400-500km of range.
at 5 C one person on board, hwy drive, 120 kmh, 30 kwh/100 km so works out to 340 km. add a family and in the winter at below zero you will get maybe 300 km.
Yeah, I was at first excited but the faux leather they had in the prototype I sat in seemed very plastic-like. Seemed to be nothing I’d accept for the price.
Hey hey I never said “dislike”. ‘Change in mind’ as in deciding to finally marry someone after hesitating a lot. Dislike is too extreme and negative. Anyways English is not my first language. 🤷🏻
From my point of view, the reason why EV's are not selling as much as it was anticipated is the range of the vehicle itself and unreliable charging stations. In my case, I do interstate road trips and the range of this Kia is very dismal. I do not wish to spend so much time at a charging station. Next is the cost of the vehicle, EV's are just too expensive compared to gasoline-engined vehicles.
Totally agree. It's a different experience in Europe, and I am assuming Korea as well. I spent a month in Sweden recently and was renting a Volvo EV. The charging stations were everywhere, and it was super easy to charge up. Also, the condo I was staying in had free charging so every morning I basically went out to a car that was ready to go. The Volvo C40 recharge only had a 240 miles of range, but I drove it long distance twice, and it was actually no problem. I stopped at about 215 miles at a burger bar and let the car charge for about 20 minutes. Worked out great! But yeah, not sure this would be as easy in North America without a Tesla.
It looks great. Nice job Kia design department. After watching the Motormouth video about the $61k Hyundai Ioniq5 battery replacement, EVs are not worth considering. I also find it concerning that these big EVs weigh so much. 7,000 lbs. is a lot compared to the average vehicle. I worry about the safety of everyone else on the road should one of these boulders slam into someone.
Those aren't really the biggest concern, it's mostly the residual value of the ride with a battery that cost more than the SUV. I would probably lease this vs owning it.
@@brokeboy87 the battery replacement is higher than the value of the car as soon as it's driven off the lot. I agree a lease is probably the best way to go with an EV. You're limited by mileage with a lease though. It's usually 12k miles per year, which is less than the average miles driven per year.
I'm still in the 500 mile range club, not because I need 500 miles but because I need 300 miles range with winter tires in 20 below zero (F) at 75mph on the highway. That probably corresponds to close to a 450-500 mile rated range.
don't forget the range isn't all really usable even in optimum situations. you're not supposed to routinely charge let alone fast charge above 80% (it slows down so much anyway after 80%) nor routinely drain your battery below 20% for battery longevity. you know, the most expensive part of the car...
@@joeisawesome540 200 miles (round trip) isn't a long road trip. it isn't even a road trip. 2000 miles would be. 200 miles could be a long commute or visiting friends or family out of town or out of state, going camping or skiing or an amusement park etc. i don't know how often that would be. more than twice a year. certainly more often than most people tow and they make such a big deal of towing as a selling point. 200 miles is the realistic usable range of a 300 mile range EV in optimum conditions at legal highway speed. 20 miles or more over the limit and/or with full load or very cold (wet or dark or other inclement) weather will shorten that "usable" range quite a bit more...
Wondering how much they lose on each EV9.. hope they make lots as the Tesla Model Y needs more competition. I would get an EV9 instead of the Y if they are easy to find
I’m nearly 60 and highly doubt I will ever purchase an EV. Serious changes have to be made before the majority of North Americans will be convinced this type of vehicle is the way to go. Government mandates be damned. Your video earlier this week should be watched by everyone. As always, great review. You two are the best in the business of car reviewers.
The Genesis models have the fingerprint scanner. Nobody uses it in Canada because it doesnt really do anything but set up a profile for different radio stations. Doesnt change seat positions, etc, doesnt work with a digital key in Canada...it's useless here. :(
My bladder won't handle anything more than 2-3 hours. So 500 miles is nuts. You have to buy the right vehicle for you. If you don't want an EV, don't buy one. There's lots of great cars/trucks and more choice in hybrids. One thing I'll agree with companies saying we will be all electric by x date. Companies that offer a wide choice of vehicles are going to do very well.
Got kona ev ..300 miles range for $32k ..free charging for 2 years..have 220V outlet at home just in case
No more gas bill!!
Love it
9:16 😂😂😂 pure gold. When Andrea smiles I smile too. 😊 The intro was funny as well! Great job guys. Too bad this doesn't have 7 seats for the GT-line.
looks like another winner from Kia...now the quality test after a few years of these roads and winters for us in Canada..
Thank you! Was really looking forward for your review of the EV9
Awesome, thank you!
Does it have bullet proof panels? I need that in my everyday commute when I drive my kids to school.
It's unfortunate that the memory seat is only available in the latest trim + package (CAN). Do you know if the seat would adjust automatically based on the fingerprint digital profile?
No, not if it works like Genesis vehicles.
Great videos, keep your good work. At @ 16:00 I see another problem: you stop for No1 and café and all charging stations are taken. Happened to me many times, fortunately I was with a PHEV...
Agree with your thoughts on the hot topic. Fast charging vehicles and enough reliable chargers are key to ev road trips, not range.
In reality the Cost of insurance is a number one topic. It wipes out and puts you into negative territory with all your imaginary gas savings.
Really? I went from a Sorento to an Ariya and insurance still about the same. Maybe depends on where you live
@@Antoinemalone Same
Mostly disagree. A 7 passenger ev need a min 350m range. For me anything less than that means I’m stopping a lot to travel city to city
@@Debate_everything I think it depends on the person. For me after about 250 I'm ready to stop, use the restroom, stretch my legs (I'm 6ft4), grab some snacks so might as well charge.
Im single with no kids but some who travel with others and kids may be stopping anyways often with them.
For me even with my Ariya that charges at a max 130kw/hr I have been fine. Getting this that charges nearly 2x as fast will really be all I need
Having the option to have 2nd row bench seats on all trims would be ideal.
I heard that they remove the bench in the middle to reduce the weight of the car and increase the range to fall under the transport authority policy or something. That's the official statement from car manufacturers.
@@FreedomOf_Speech I don't know as they do offer 6 and 7 seats option in all the other markets
How's the battery cover? Would replacing the battery cost more than a new car?
The Kia EV9 has just been released here in Australia. While our north american cousins may treat it as a "mid-size" SUV, to us it's a massive and very heavy car. The infrastructure required to charge it is considerable. Most homes here are limited to around 80-100a feeders coming into them. At 240v that is around 20 kw for a typical 80a feeder on single phase.
Given that this has to supply the house as well as extra power for the charger, how long would it take using a typical 30a "fast charging" solution to top up the largest of those batteries?
And what is the charging infrastructure like in the US or Canada? First time that I saw one such station, was at a market in Vancouver 3 years ago.
The specs, however, ARE impressive, as are the equipment levels. We have a Kia Sorento, an "AWD" 2.2l diesel which is a nice car to drive and on long trips we can get up to 800 km (500 miles for those who still measure stuff in cubits) from it, with economy as low as 6l/100km (yeah yeah, stupid way to measure fuel economy, I know) which competes with many smaller hybrids out there.
Great review!
Hi guys! Love your videos. My wife and I tried the ev9 wind trim. While the car drive excellent, the seats felt a bit too firm... almost uncomfortable. Did you get that sense at all?
Great to see a review conducted in Arizona. Since I live in Phoenix my big question is how well does the HVAC handle the Arizona heat? I test drove an Aryia and it was a fine car, but couldn't keep the interior cool enough at only 105.
Thank you Andrea and Zack as usual for the amazing review. I am planning to purchase this EV and would like to ask for your comment on these two concerns please.
1. What is the estimate waiting time for this EV9 ?
2. I am planning to tow a boat and its weight is approximately 2000 lbs below the towing capacity of the EV9. The only pitfall I am facing is during the boat launching and retrieving. This is due to the fact that the rear wheels of the EV9 would be submerged approximately 3/4 of its diameter in the water and as a result, the rear motor and/or part of the battery compartment might predictably be under the water as well. Would this cause thermal runaway even if for a short period of time being under water?
Thank you for your comment.
How much is it to replace the battery in this one 😅
Hyundai was $60k so this might be $90k lol
We are doing a follow-up video on this with new quotes from Hyundai Canada on their battery replacement costs and what their battery warranty includes. Hyundai Canada is now taking charge of all battery related issues that customers are having. We are still doing some research on all this and gathering information so we have the correct facts to present but once we have it all we will drop the video. Hoping to release it this week sometime.
@@andreaspencer9813 it is pretty sad that it took “go public” for Hyundai Canada to do what should have been done at the first place.
Why is there an Ontario license plate in Arizona?
These are Canadian vehicles that were shipped to Arizona for the drive event.
Hi/andrea.Zack. Has rear wiper blade issue been corrected on ev6? Thanks victorious
great review. does it has a rear wheel steer and separate battery warranty...?
I wonder if Kia List the battery pack the same price as the brand new car like they do with EV6 in Canada
Can you confirm to us the cost of the battery replacement? Feels like this is critical data to know now when purchasing a Korean EV now. :)
What does the price of a battery have to do with it being a Korean brand? Do you think any brands EV battery is going to be cheap?
@@stevenstewart1308 If you watched their previous video, you would know what I’m talking about. $60,000CAD for an out of warranty replacement on the Ioniq5. It does not cost you $60,000 CAD to replace the battery in a Model Y for example.
@@LiquidTurbo have you priced a Tesla battery? Do you know the actual price? And as fast as the other video goes, you don't have to replace the entire battery pack. You can take it apart and replace the individual battery modules which there are 32 of, and I know this because I've had one of those batteries apart before. This whole 60K battery thing got blown way out of proportion by people who don't actually know what they are talking about.
@@stevenstewart1308 it’s really simple. You don’t have to make it out like you’re some genius of EVs and talking down to everyone like you’re superior. You’re not. You can look up the cost of a full Tesla EV pack replacement. It’s everywhere.
You can also look up the cost of an entire pack replacement for the Ioniq5. It’s an actual part number you can find directly on Hyundai’s website. Will Hyundai offer individual cell replacement for their customers? I don’t think so, so your comment is a moot point. If I’m wrong, show me where I can get a service from Hyundai to change a specific cell only when the pack is out of warranty?
@@LiquidTurbo holy shit man. I'm a tech at Kia. I know for a fact you can buy the individual battery modules, replace them and then Kia send a guy to the dealership with the cell balancing machine to balance the charge in all the cells since the new cell only comes with half a charge in it. I'm not talking like I know everything but the vast majority of people on here have no clue what they are talking about and are just regurgitating wrong info they get from others that don't have a clue either.
I’m curious to see how much the battery replacement cost is like
Not a fan of all the haptic buttons and screen for the HVAC. Why didn't any one at Kia actually try using them while driving before green-lighting them?
It has buttons for fan and temp control
Merry Christmas
Is it powered tilt and telescoping steering wheel? I have never seen this future in any non luxury brands. Me and my partner has different preferences for the steering wheel adjustment and its quiet annoying to manually adjust it every time.
Can you include a section where you mention what a replacement battery would cost on EV reviews? O_O
can you tell us what a full engine rebuild costs on an ICE car?
Which would you buy (and why) between this Kia EV9 and the Genesis electrified GV70?
Had a Derecho blow through eastern ontario couple years back. Took out power grid for three days. How do I charge my car to go to work?
If there is no power, how do the gas stations provide fuel???
@@carlnelson9162 Derecho was local. You can drive 5 minutes. Had an ice storm this spring some without power again for 3 days. Some for a week. Power grid. Power grid is pretty crappy and hasn't been maintained for years.
Québec for a fact is like that. They wait to break then fix.
Québec roads are in bad shape. Now add the extra weight of these EV's. That should increase infrastructure deterioration.
@@carlnelson9162 oh and many gas stations have back up generators. You can't let a crisis go by. Saw it with my own eyes. Line ups for gas!
Don't have a Generac whole home generator?
@@mowcowbell have a generator. Works on natural gas!
@Motormouth I'd love to hear your thoughts on CBC's investigative report regarding KIA Canada's decision to withhold the majority of car deliveries for the rest of the year, choosing to store available vehicles on lots instead of expediting them to long waiting customers.
Physical hvac controls please
Did you ask Kia how much would it cost to replace the battery pack?
How much do you guys get paid by big oil to bitch about battery prices in 10 years for a vehicle you will never buy?
Do you ask how much a new engine is when you buy a new ICE car?
@@timorumgood one 👍
I’ve been waiting for this review, you guys always give the best reviews, watching from NL, loving my 21 Telluride SX, guaranteed id love this even more. Thanks
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed the review and are happy with your Telluride, great vehicle.
I actually seen my first EV9 on holiday in Las Vegas definitely beautiful car.
Hey, maybe I missed it but for future EV reviews, could you please tell us how many kW is required per 100km/60 miles and what you achieved? (when possible of course, sometimes you don't have it for long enough). That way we can know how much it will cost us, once we multiply the amount by local per kW price. For example, Tesla model Y needs at least 15 kW of energy for each 100km, where as a larger and heavier EV such us the Hummer EV need over 30 kW for same distance. When not charging at home, the difference can be quite significant. Thanks!
Thanks again for the Motormouth team about bringing another great review to NA users like us.
By chance I am visiting the International MotorXpo Hong Kong (IMXpo) 2023 this weekend.
Traditional brands really needed to step up their game to compete with EV offerings from China.
You are right about range BUT, how many places can we find a charging station?? And one that works or has no one already getting their car charged? I have NO plans on buying an EV. I also will not wait for a hybrid, buying gas is not an issue in my world.
I like the look of this one if not the cost as per usual with all these current generation EVs. I am waiting for more updates on the whole battery replacement story as that was enough to make me lean away from EVs all together until there is more clarity on that particular issue/ your mother would just drive her own hybrid! :)
I did hear that the $60K was very much miss quoted by someone at Hyundai , The Ioniq Guy did a very good video on that . I think because of that $60K video it will open the eyes of buyer and dealership for more awareness .
Read the invoice in the video, then google or call a dealers parts department and ask the price of a battery.
@@caseybowman1243 From other video and what I have read there are places that can repair a battery for a lots less , I think as current owner of an EV I would be doing a lot research before paying out that much for a new battery.
@@shaunmckenna1923 all I mean is the video the other guy is talking about is a fake/lie.. look at the invoice and google the prices for yourself. I don’t know why these people are misrepresenting this, but they are.
Thanks for the review. As always, great job. You guys are super charming, and well spoken. Typical Canadians... I wish the EV9 had a bit more range, but I guess for the price it sort of falls in line with the competition. After your look at the battery fiasco in BC with the Hyundai Ionic 5, I am now more curious about the warranty details on Hyundai/Kia vehicles though.
Great review as always Andrea and Zack! What a beast of a vehicle. What was the weather and temp like out there in AZ? Planning a trip out there in January. Thanks, John (Vancouver)
Just guessing, but sunny with a high of 75F is reasonable.
Would Canada get the ADAS system on GT Line with radar and lidar?
It will be but likely next model year
Amazing looking vehicle...could definitely see myself in one after the charging networks builds out. Update of EVs I think will really happen once next gen SSB (Solid State Batteries) takes us to the same range as ICE/Hybrid and likely even better range..
Sedona is beautiful. I’d make a video for a 93 ford escort if I got to do it in Arizona
Sedona is a nice place to visit, but would never want to live there.
Toyota grand highlander or this ? Which one is more reliable?
I have a Kia niro plug in hybrid and I removed the lane assist function
Love it !
Shame about the lack of power stations to supply power to the 2 charge points in the state.
This is an excellent option for families looking for a 3 row EV.
Very impressive ranges & features for the size. For RWD model, is this a 50/50 balanced vehicle because that would be the only time when a RWD is as safe as a FWD vehicle in the snow? Do I loos my warranty when the battery protection shield is scratched and how much is the replacement battery cost?
Yes, one minor scratch and the warranty is void and it's $113K to replace out-of-pocket.
@@nicholassmith7048 😂😂😂 that's about right. One way to sell extended warranty!!! 😏
Great review, as always. Thank you. I noted that only the driver's seat has massage. I test drove a loaded GV80 and would have bought it on the spot to replace an aging ML350, but it did not have a passenger massage seat option. What the heck? Do the Hyundai/Kia/Genesis engineers and marketing people all hate their spouses? If you have any contacts over there, please let them know that dual front massage seats is a requirement, if massage seats are in the car.
That aside, I have been very impressed with theiir products. We had a smaller KIA SUV rental a couple of weeks ago - with 44,000 miles on it - and it was still solid, no rattles, seats were in great condition, steering was tight. That is phenomenal for a car that has been in rental service for that many miles.
16:30 Another point on the range/road trip with kids issue is that EVERY stop takes longer with kids. Everyone always brings up how much faster it is to throw the gas in the tank, but you're always there much longer. Even just getting the kids out then back in the damn car takes 5-10 minutes lol.
Maybe you can ask Kia/Hyundai how much is the replacement battery for this car?
Do we really know what it is for any brand? Maybe Tesla, I hear $20-$25,000.
I was waiting for yalls review
5:16 red turn signals are unacceptable and need to be illegal. They're amber in South Korea so what happened to them across the pacific?
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Andrea the speed demon!
Say no more!!
I love it!! ❤❤❤
Maybe one day there will be an available fast charger every place you might need to stop for a restroom break.
I'm looking forward to that day. Unfortunately, it's still a long way off.
Good review 👍 👏
If you have the 2nd row bench seat, yes you can open it and keep the child seat installed!
I would like to see more competition in USA ...bring BYD, NIO, Xpeng, Huawei, etc to the market. This will bring better quality, innovation, range, and cost down!
Nice seats. What is the rest of the Industry doing in this regards again?
Range isn't an issue, it's the lengthy charging and lack of a vast and reliable charging infrastructure, especially in Canada.
We need to change and called this show the Andrea and hubby youtube car show! Andrea is great and Zack!
This review really makes the case for the Genesis that will surely follow. Thanks for a great review, although, I always wonder what a replacement battery on one of these babies is gonna cost. 💸💰💸
Kia navigation AND wireless CarPlay? Has Kia backed off nav fight for 2024?
It wasn't Kia (and Hyundai) that didn't want wireless, they had a contractual dispute with their navigation provider, TomTom, that prevented them from having it in cars with built-in navigation. Looks like they've switched partners with their latest generation of infotainment, thankfully.
I finally got to see the GT model today at my local dealer. It’s definitely a little bit more compact that I was expecting it to be not necessarily a bad thing however, it looks pretty spacious. I am disappointing in the range this vehicle for a vehicle that is being pushed as a passenger vehicle, etc. 280 miles is very low.
battery replacement cost? 80k? 😅
500 miles range ???? wow... people not knowing about electric vehicles don't understand.... how much time do you think it would take to charge such a battery??? Ask any F150 lightning owner. Nowadays, you're better off with a smaller battery/but quick charging capacity. That's the key to make it to destination in about the same as an ICE
There are situations where big batteries are important, in particular driving into and then out of a remote area. I recently took a trip to a destination with no fast chargers or even public level 2 chargers. The nearest en route fast charger was 150 miles away, meaning I would have needed at least 300 miles of real world range, with no margin for error or for driving around at the destination. I had to resort to level 2 chargers along the way, which added hours to the trip. The good news is that there is a closer fast charger under construction that will make the trip much easier next time. But, it's not complete yet, and there are other similar places without infrastructure. Until the infrastructure gets fixed, big batteries will have their place.
@@dansanger5340Will be situations like you described for awhile. Infrastructure will get there. Fact is…the majority of people in family SUVs drive less than 50 miles per day…like 98% of the time.when you really think about it buying a car to fit your road trips is like buying a pickup because you move every 2 years. But yes, more chargers are needed. 👍
Or just get an ice model
1MW charging is a few months away. Year tops. In the meanwhile, yeah. Large battery meams more charge time. Your choice
You two do an amazing job with your car reviews. I like watching the both of you as well as Anna on Roads. Keep up the great work and keep the car reviews coming. BTW, when will you review 2024 BMW X7 or X5 (maybe I missed it 😁)...and 2024 Ranger Roover.
Looks amazing! 😍 blue and black or red and black 😮💨.
Anybody notice that in a number of their videos filmed in the USA (e.g. this one Arizona) that the vehicles have province of Ontario license plates. How is that?
These vehicles were shipped in from Canada for the event.
Aha. Thanks.
What kind of battery is it-lithium ion or lithium iron phosphate?
NMC
I heard these are selling quite poorly in Korea that they’re doing 30% discounts. Wonder if it’s the price, the range, or both?
PRICE! They aren’t even selling in SoCal. Dealers are FLOODED with them!
Kia dealerships, specifically South Florida, and Del Ray Kia, are marking up these cars by a lot. If you lease it, they are increasing the money factor by .004 or 10% over bank rate. Don't buy from dealers.
Here it is, been waiting for this video all week, what a monster of a car that looks very now ✅💙
Thank you, hope you enjoyed it!
@@andreaspencer9813 Thoroughly enjoyed it Andrea and you certainly had the sunshine too ☀️💙
@@timphillips4147 Great! Yes, it was so nice to get some sunshine!
I own today Telluride and EV6 and was all up for this EV9. But with the KIA badge, price tag for GT-Line and range, they just don’t go along. The range needs to be around 400 miles for it to work. Putting Genesis badge will not work either as that does not sell well. So either need to bring the price down or need to increase the range to make it appealing to the KIA customers.
You should contact the company (who will agree with your wish) and explain *how* they can actually do it (without losing money).
Ontario license plate?
Why aren't the rest offering 3rd row yet.? What are they waiting for? Kia will have a hard time keeping this in stock.
question for us Canadian fans about the $5000 federal rebate. Is that $5000 off the price of the vehicle if you lease or buy OR is that a $5000 credit towards my taxes in tax season?
You get 5000 off the price after takes at the dealer
Great Job Kia!!❤
Really nice. My next vehicle. 👍👍
Imagine how expensive the replacement battery is for this big suv!!
Looks like a great vehicle, but in Canada EV range and recharging infrastructure (not to mention time to charge) just isn't there yet for drivers outside large metropolitan areas - especially in winter. I have a Kia PHEV but won't be going for a full EV until sold state batteries with double the range and 10 minute charging times are available. That'll be a game changer.
This is why EV's make sense as small urban commuters, not big inter-urban cruisers. The problem is that the car companies can't/won't make a profitable small EV at today's economies, so they can only sell big premium EV's that are too expensive for normal city people and have too short range for inter-urban/rural.
How often would you need more than 400km of range truthfully?
@@stevenstewart1308 2-3 times a month on average. Then what? Rent a car that can take me there and back?
@@robertduklus6555 I get that but 400km would still be enough for the 29 other days. It's no different than the people who buy a huge truck cuz they might need to put something in the box a few times a year. I'm not saying you need to buy an EV, or anyone else does, but you, me and most others could easily live with 400-500km of range.
@@robertduklus6555 charge the car during lunch? idk what to tell you man.. charging stations are there and improving.
love it when the young lady puts the hammer down
i love that blue. Subscription for drl no.
Hoping for a winter weather review. I want to see what the battery performance and capacity is like when the cold hits 🥶
at 5 C one person on board, hwy drive, 120 kmh, 30 kwh/100 km so works out to 340 km. add a family and in the winter at below zero you will get maybe 300 km.
@@robertduklus6555😂
@@robertduklus6555and the average daily commute for majority of Canadians is?????
January in Montreal Canada, real world situation you get 55% of total possible range
@@marwanmalek2147 that's more realistic. Seriously doubt anyone would get 300km in the situation described.
0.28 cd is great. Cybertruck is 0.335, Rivian R1T is 0.30 (yes, they are p/u trucks, not SUVs).
Looks like a giant Kia soul
Great job! The EV9 would be a huge hit if it was a bit less but still deserves to be a hit.
Yeah, I was at first excited but the faux leather they had in the prototype I sat in seemed very plastic-like. Seemed to be nothing I’d accept for the price.
Maybe this will change Zack’s mind about EVs. 😊
I don’t think he dislikes EV, there just isn’t one that he would want to buy.
@@nickolastiguan That's right, we are just not ready to make the jump and that's okay. It's not about like or disliking electric vehicles.
I don't dislike EVs, I find them expensive and personally have no use for one. There are some very good ones, this is one of them.
Hey hey I never said “dislike”. ‘Change in mind’ as in deciding to finally marry someone after hesitating a lot. Dislike is too extreme and negative. Anyways English is not my first language. 🤷🏻
From my point of view, the reason why EV's are not selling as much as it was anticipated is the range of the vehicle itself and unreliable charging stations. In my case, I do interstate road trips and the range of this Kia is very dismal. I do not wish to spend so much time at a charging station. Next is the cost of the vehicle, EV's are just too expensive compared to gasoline-engined vehicles.
Totally agree. It's a different experience in Europe, and I am assuming Korea as well. I spent a month in Sweden recently and was renting a Volvo EV. The charging stations were everywhere, and it was super easy to charge up. Also, the condo I was staying in had free charging so every morning I basically went out to a car that was ready to go. The Volvo C40 recharge only had a 240 miles of range, but I drove it long distance twice, and it was actually no problem. I stopped at about 215 miles at a burger bar and let the car charge for about 20 minutes. Worked out great! But yeah, not sure this would be as easy in North America without a Tesla.
battery replacement probably cost like 90,000.
Go Tesla. PLENTY of charging stations and they’re cheaper than many gas vehicles now
Not to mention that if you scratch the underside your car is completely written off
all ev's are selling well, 18 months wait time for all models except Tesla, bc they are producing alot and are selling
What's your thoughts on the CBC report on Kia Dealerships and Kia Canada dishonest business practices
.. Crazy Right!
I actually like that one, and think it's a pretty car.
It looks great. Nice job Kia design department. After watching the Motormouth video about the $61k Hyundai Ioniq5 battery replacement, EVs are not worth considering. I also find it concerning that these big EVs weigh so much. 7,000 lbs. is a lot compared to the average vehicle. I worry about the safety of everyone else on the road should one of these boulders slam into someone.
Those aren't really the biggest concern, it's mostly the residual value of the ride with a battery that cost more than the SUV. I would probably lease this vs owning it.
@@brokeboy87 the battery replacement is higher than the value of the car as soon as it's driven off the lot. I agree a lease is probably the best way to go with an EV. You're limited by mileage with a lease though. It's usually 12k miles per year, which is less than the average miles driven per year.
Your old school, evs are so much better, I do agree though about public charging ,it sucks, but that's why you buy tesla, not a kia.
Did they say 201hp in the RWD version with the big battery? That sounds about as gutless as a Subaru Outback.
I'm still in the 500 mile range club, not because I need 500 miles but because I need 300 miles range with winter tires in 20 below zero (F) at 75mph on the highway. That probably corresponds to close to a 450-500 mile rated range.
Alaska?
don't forget the range isn't all really usable even in optimum situations. you're not supposed to routinely charge let alone fast charge above 80% (it slows down so much anyway after 80%) nor routinely drain your battery below 20% for battery longevity. you know, the most expensive part of the car...
@@OlJackBurton but most of the time you are not using your max range.. how often do people actually do long road trips? once? twice a year?
@@joeisawesome540 200 miles (round trip) isn't a long road trip. it isn't even a road trip. 2000 miles would be. 200 miles could be a long commute or visiting friends or family out of town or out of state, going camping or skiing or an amusement park etc. i don't know how often that would be. more than twice a year. certainly more often than most people tow and they make such a big deal of towing as a selling point.
200 miles is the realistic usable range of a 300 mile range EV in optimum conditions at legal highway speed. 20 miles or more over the limit and/or with full load or very cold (wet or dark or other inclement) weather will shorten that "usable" range quite a bit more...
@@OlJackBurton so you didn't answer the question.. how often do people take trips longer than 200miles?
I was waiting for Andrea to tell us which trim would be her pick
Wondering how much they lose on each EV9.. hope they make lots as the Tesla Model Y needs more competition. I would get an EV9 instead of the Y if they are easy to find
Beautiful vehicle,but when is there going to be a more affordable EV 1,2,3 or 4 for the Joe average family!
I’m nearly 60 and highly doubt I will ever purchase an EV. Serious changes have to be made before the majority of North Americans will be convinced this type of vehicle is the way to go. Government mandates be damned. Your video earlier this week should be watched by everyone. As always, great review. You two are the best in the business of car reviewers.
Subscription for your headlights 😂😂😂
The Genesis models have the fingerprint scanner. Nobody uses it in Canada because it doesnt really do anything but set up a profile for different radio stations. Doesnt change seat positions, etc, doesnt work with a digital key in Canada...it's useless here. :(
My bladder won't handle anything more than 2-3 hours. So 500 miles is nuts. You have to buy the right vehicle for you. If you don't want an EV, don't buy one. There's lots of great cars/trucks and more choice in hybrids. One thing I'll agree with companies saying we will be all electric by x date. Companies that offer a wide choice of vehicles are going to do very well.
"the boulders" fails to mention the ruts and dry washes on the road. Been there, done em.