YES! Of course!! We belong there BECAUSE Non-binary and gender-fluid people and etc are welcomed also, and thats not a sexuality. But everybody should just accept eachother that are in the community.
I mean lately I've noticed a big push for masculine lesbians to transition when they dont need to. The trans community has been very oppressive to women and lesbians yet no one mentions it.
Better Now I’m unsure if I have offended you in some way, but I partially understand where you are coming from. It’s a shame that gender expression has been made a part of sexuality when they are two very separate aspects.
Ikr? As if people didn't already think asexuality isn't real and that "you just haven't met the right person", people also discredit trans people as if they know better. Truth is, you know yourself best and nobody can change that. So I don't get why people still insist on denying other people of who they are. It clearly doesn't "help them change" or whatever they want. All it does is cause harm. And it's extremely hypocritical coming from the community because they should know how it feels to be discriminated against.
As an old gay man I have to say: Exclusion is NOT what we have been fighting for! We are stronger together, stop these ppl who are trying to divide us.
@@clockywork Nothing could be further from the truth. Your first mistake: You seem to suffer from the illusion, that transgender men and women (or anyone else who fits under the LGBTQAI+ umbrella) somehow is holding certain same views as a collective. That is false! Your second mistake: You assume to know whom I support or which views I support. You do not!
@@owent.2306 it's not just names. it's actually happening to kids. Puberty blockers and pushing to transition kids as early as 12. There are a few stories of former trans women who were transitioned so young and full blown regret it and want to be a boy. Unfortunately the deal was already made and it's to late for them to go back
@@benjaminreyes3624 kids who go on puberty blockers can just go off of them if they realize they aren't trans. i've never heard of anyone under the age of sixteen medically transitioning, and i don't know of any people who are advocating for that
At first when I saw the “drop the t” community stuff I thought that it was just people wanting trans people to have their own community/ voice Boi was I wrong as hell Lgbt people should work together... like how bi and pan people get slagged by other lgbt people Why would people just turn around and push the hate they get onto trans and bi and pan people
Fluffer Pupper it’s a type of internalized oppression, not unlike a black person who doesn’t like black people. Many cis non heterosexuals desperately want to be accepted by cishets. Instead of coming to the conclusion that some people are just gonna be homophobic, they try to find a justification for why one might be that way. This leads them to look for a scapegoat which usually takes the form of either trans people, enbys, bisexuals, or anyone else in the lgbtq community that isn’t exclusively gay or isn’t cis.
No one seems to remember when bisexuality was “stupid and greedy” and we wanted them to “choose a side”, can’t even imagine what will happen when they notice so many different ways we express sexuality.
I KNOW! and when that one person was suggesting that bi people should 'be against' pan people I was just sooo confused. like what about someone like me who *identifies* as bi, but by DEFINITION I'm pan?? it just makes no gotdamn sense haha
As a cis lesbian, let’s start accepting EVERYONE in the community. Let’s stop biphobia acephobia and transphobia inside and outside of the community. we should all support each other and fight for each other rights because we know how hard it is to not be expected by other people. Let’s make our community a safe place for everyone❤️🏳️⚧️❤️🏳️🌈
As a lesbian, something that will always confuse me is when LGB people try to push down trans people is that they're doing the exact same thing they fought against. Why cause people the same pain we've had to go through? These exclusionists will never make sense to me, ever.
That’s because you refuse to let gay people think on their own. People like you need to believe everyone on your side thinks the same. It’s homophobic and bigoted.
@@juniorqindes8335 I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, could you potentially explain further? My point is saying that exclusionists need to let people find themselves and exist as themselves, in the LBTQ+ community, without fighting back against what they deem "not valid" or "not LBGT" enough. Gay people can of course think on their own, I'm by no means saying that people have to agree with my point of view - I was just expressing it on a video that I agreed with. Also, how exactly am I homophobic and bigoted for saying that people deserve... to exist in our community?
@@atallus_ “deserve to exist IN OUR COMMUNITY” I’m gay, am I in the lgbt? If so, what if I don’t like bi lesbians or trans people? Also, seriously how are we at all a community? Just saying that is ignorent. Why do you have to lump us all together? You certainly didn’t take a poll. :T also how are we “excluding” :T you are literally including everyone you want to and not asking first. Another thing, what is the lgbtq? Other than “everything that isn’t str8” here’s a news flash…. THE LGBT IS EXCLUSIONARY. It’s designed to be. So is POC. Both these terms are basically saying “everyone I like” because saying “I don’t like so and so” or “we are different than so and so” sounds wrong. But guess what? Both are horribly wrong. Pride, the lgbt, and the rainbow are all things forced on gay people through politics. All terrible and all preventing what we ACTUALLY considered progress before people like you took over. Remember normalizing? Guess that’s over right?
@@juniorqindes8335 due to this comment being very glitchy due to length, i've put my response into a google doc. docs.google.com/document/d/1w90547KIZ2CsrN3hX1lIeTcQEgYOv5EFTHEVCQCBkYE/edit?usp=sharing
@@atallus_ my favorite part is when you called all gays, bi people, and lesbian bigoted. :T you are in fact a bigot. You are a bigot because you are still forcing the term community which implies plenty of bigoted things. You are ignorant because you speak in this way completely against the point. Even twisting it to try and say it back. “ you don’t know the history” oh look the ignorent are claiming the opposition doesn’t know better. I’m a gay man. You know they literally changed around the letters to put lesbians in front of us? You know by adding trans and queer they completely crapped all over the progress we caught for because people like you wanted different? Again, how are we a community? You still haven’t answered. That’s just a cult term they use to lump us together. Go look at what that word means. :T go look at the time each definition put. I know all the things the lgbt ACTUALLY DID. All you know is the good stuff they told you they do and how great it is. You are an enemy of gay, lesbian, and bi people. Saying you aren’t homophobic doesn’t help. You are like one of those people who says “I’m not homophobic, I just don’t think gays should get married” I blame people like you more for the hate crimes, suicides, and abused kids. Why? Because if not for the lgbt we would have done what we wanted. And gay would just be a normal thing. Not some celebrated thing you need to have pride in or you hate yourself. Pride and the lgbt are political movements. To suggest someone is against themselves for being against them is inherently homophobic. Even if you don’t think that word fits you… remember all the crap you said. Even if you don’t hate us you are still terrible to us. And I would rather have a hateful neighbor than abusive siblings.
All of these people give me “I’m not like other girls” vibes. The type of people that in order to gain acceptance or some weird sense of individuality have to put others in the same marginalised group down. It’s so silly 😭
IKR? Also it's so ironic that these kind of people talk about "individuality" when their ultimate goal is to look cool and be accepted by the majority aka straight cis people
I think it's kind of an issue with well meaning liberals who think "sexuality/gender shouldn't matter", "LGBT people are just like you". It sounds nice but in practice it's quite heteronormative because it basically discourages any distinctive queer expression of sexuality and gender. After I first came out to my straight friends as gay, I felt like I had to prove that "this doesn't change anything about me, I'm still the same person" but in hindsight it's clear I was experiencing internalized homophobia and I'm still kinda working on it.
Same.. It sucks people are not being to smart about stuff. I am a trans guy myself also and them saying the community is only for gays etc. What about the non-binary people and gender fulid people (Sorry if I spelled that wrong) also? Thats not a sexuality but they are in the community also. Etc, (demi-male, demi-female.) Etc I dont know all. But why get rid of people from the community? We are trying to help eachother! And I agree with you this shouldnt be a conversation.
You can’t be kicked out of the LGBT community because it’s not a CLUB. If you say something that’s harmful to a group of people, those people are gonna give you shit for it, that’s just how it works. You’re still LGBT, your opinions and the things you say are just hurting other people who are LGBT and you’re gonna get backlash for it.
as a trans woman, i don’t think it’s transphobia. getting rid of a letter in an acronym that doesn’t relate to the other letters at all? how is that transphobic lmao. if you’re not trans, please don’t speak on our issues
It infuriates me when people try to discredit your argument by accusing you of "gEttInG oFfEndEd". Forgive me for getting emotional while partaking in a conversation in which my identity and value as a human being is disputed. Very commendable that you, someone with no personal stake in this debate that is life or death for me, can stay calm and collected. If I reveal any degree of investment, I must be childish and illogical. Not only is it a non-argument, it also fails to address what the other person is saying in any way.
@voilaviolamh I'm not trans and my comment is not specific to the video. It's a comment on how this is in general a moronic argument to use. If we're talking trans issues, you are downplaying the very real effects discriminatory attitudes have on marginalized people. To voice those feelings helps normalize them and validates those who hold them at any level of severity. Thus, they feel justified in their bigotry while those targeted feel unwelcome and unsafe. It stands to reason that a trans person being told they don't belong in the community would get defensive about it because you are claiming that they don't belong in what is possibly the only place where they don't feel othered, out of nowhere and with, in my opinion, bogus reasoning. A lot of the time accusations like this are used the context of politics, and I hope I don't have to explain to you how big an effect political decisions can have on the downtrodden. It is ridiculous to claim that your opinion is invalid if, again, you betray at any point that the subject concerns you, and only something that someone very lucky to be able to view the subject as totally divorced from themselves could say.
This video just pissed me off. How could you be so ignorant?? And the girl reading from the scripts saying pansexuals are offending bisexuals was so stupid I'm honestly lost for words. It's not just LGBT it's LGBTQ+ or lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, aromantic, pansexual (There are more). Including sexuality and gender. It's about acceptance in everybody not pushing people out.
New to your channel, but I just want to comment on the "nobody wants sex changes for children" thing. For cis people maybe, but people who are born intersex will often have surgery to "correct" the issue against their will. It is a horrific practice.
"Non-binary people make trans people look like a joke because trans people have gender dysphoria and non-binary people don't." Me: *waves a paper that says I have gender dysphoria* *Is this what you wanted?*
also, I'm trans and I'm not comfortable in my body, but I don't think I have gender dysphoria bc it's not as bad as other people describe it. but that doesn't mean I'm not trans, right? (btw, ik this comment is old but I just saw it and wanted to respond :D)
@@auggienussbaum honestly, if you think you're trans then you're probably trans Some trans people experience dysphoria differently or not at all, so, it's up to you to realize whether you're trans or not
@@auggienussbaum I'm no expert so I don't know how much my opinion matters to you, but I think you're valid. I heard the question (I think it was in a Samantha Lux video) of why do trans people have to justify their existence by suffering and it's a very good point. If a cis woman like me can imagine how it would be like to be a man and think "no, that's not for me, I'm happier and more comfortable in a woman's body" without feeling pain or much discomfort and never change my mind about it, then why can't trans people figure out their feelings about that unless they prove they have bad gender dysphoria? I do understand the use of gatekeeping when it comes to permanent changes to your body (though maybe that is also up for debate) but other than that if someone says they're trans I see no reason to not believe them. You know better than anyone else how you feel and who you are.
The LGBT+ community is literally for gender and sexuality. The T shouldn't be removed because this community was made for people who go outside of the cisgender/heterosexual "norm". I get that Sexuality and Gender are not the same but, we are both affected by a lot of the same hatred, and called by the same hateful names. Trans people as well as Gay people are kicked out of their homes, beaten, ridiculed, and made to feel like we're all less than by many people. Not all go through this but people who go against the gender and sexuality "norm" deserve to stick together and feel safe in our communities.
trans people have been in the lgbT community since forever??????? people are just so transphobic and self centered they want to make everything about themselves “the lgbt community is for sexual orientation” the lgbt community is and has always been for people who don’t fit in the cishet spectrum, and for all i know that includes trans people???? i love this community so much but if there’s one thing i hate here is the gatekeeping and as a bisexual i’ve been a “victim” of people who are so self entitled and think they have the right to say who belongs and who doesn’t belong in the community like noah said trans people have been fighting’s for decades for gay/lgbt rights and now that we have some rights some people think it’s okay to just throw away the t? that’s bullshit, gatekeeping is bullshit, these people should mind their own damn business and focus on themselves rather than tell people if they belong or not in the lgbt community
This is the same thing with asexual and aromantic exclusionists as well as trans gatekeeping it's bullshit I swear to god some people just need to shut the fuck up
This is genuinely the first time I’ve heard someone comparing the “trans lobby/trans trender” thing to the “gay agenda,” and it makes so much sense. Well said, I can’t believe other people aren’t noting this.
Yes. 100%. We (The LGB) wouldn’t have the rights we do today if it wasn’t for the T. It was trans women and street kids who first stood up at stonewall and started the whole gay rights movement. I feel like excluding the T community now would be like a spit in the face to all the people who fought for us over the years. Gays today seem to forget their history and its saddening
The transgendered may well have joined LGBT movement but that doesn’t change the fact that being gay and transgendered are totally different things that shouldn’t be lumped together.
I love the gay guy saying that we shouldn't be at extremes, it's just the stereotype of white middle class gay, that just wants to be included. We didn't get where we at by not being extreme
Why do people say we should fight “radical” people without defining radical. It was once radical for a Black woman to refuse to give up her seat on a bus.
Yes everyone belongs somewhere, but maybe trans ppl dont belong in the lgbt community specifically? Thats almost like saying black people beling in the lgbt community just because theyre oppressed as well?
@@vincentfields286 and that's why we have black history month I just don't get how like they said trans people would of have been supportive of gay/lesbians for the longest But than randomly it hurts to know people are stabbing us in the back There also talking about removing the B because "there's no such thing as liking both"
@@raeechllee Its understandable if you think about it like this: there are certain stereotypes that make trans ppl look bad. Like the whole "uwu bigender lesbian femboy" type stuff. So when cishets think "lgbt community" they usually think of that (even though obviously not all trans ppl are like that at all). Being trans isnt a sexuality, and being gay or bi isnt about transitioning. So where are we in the same community at all? Just because majority of trans ppl support and love lgb ppl, doesnt mean we should be a part of the same community
@@vincentfields286 Because it has been founded that way. You of course could split it, but I think that that would just spread toxic relationships between the community in these times. Why should we split it at the same time when (as? Someone please tell and correct me) trans people getting discriminated? I'm okay with dividing it when the river has calmed down again and everyone can make a decision about it in neutral times without doing it to invalidate the other group.
so there’s this quote that goes “you are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts,” and i wish i could say that to every person in that video that Noah reacted to.
Man, as a woman married to a trans woman, it’s really frustrating when transphobic people look at trans women and cis women together as straight couples. I met my wife right after I came out as lesbian and went through a lot of weird shame and isolation from community because I felt I couldn’t be respected no matter what label I used. It seems like the greater lgbt community is getting better with this but it’s still an issue
Homosexuality rights activism is not transphobia. You are actually a heterosexual couple. You've nothing to do with actual lesbian, gay and bisexual people. It is homophobia when you try to silence us into not fighting for the respect of our sexual orientations.
@@dadeusfortunae Lol what? A few things, 1. We are not a straight couple. If you believe that, look at how actual homophobic straight people treat people like us. 2. My wife is bi, which still stands whether you view trans people as valid or not. And 3. I don’t believe that anyone should be pressured into dating/engaging sexually with ANYONE including trans people, so I have absolutely no idea how you think gay-trans couples existing is oppressive to other people
"pansexuality and omnisexuality harm the bi community" I almost CHOKED WTF I'm bi, these are just terms that are more specific and fall under the bi umbrella, and that's valid ?? Like ??
EXACTLYYY agh like, I don't mind at all if people call me bi instead of pan. There are some people that argue that pan people can like nb people, but bi people can't, and that seems like a weird way to target bi people as somewhat transphobic, and also it's a weird way to sneakily further ostracize or fetishize nb people. I'm sure some people don't view it as that, and it's fine to have different interests, but it's not fine to basically say bi people as a whole are less progressive somehow. For me, I feel I am pan because I notice a person's personality first as my way of being attracted to them (that's just my personal reasoning and identity, though). Before I started T, I used to feel I was gay with some bi leanings (mostly biromantic, as I had fallen for a few women, but was mainly interested in men both romantically and otherwise). I now just think "wow, cute person! wowee" when I see or am around someone that is my type. That type is wider now, and more amorphous. I have a hugeee thing for creative types and people who enjoy pondering most anything, so that to me is the most defining aspect of my sexuality; it is based on person to person without their gender affecting it much or any. I used to feel different varieties and levels of attraction to different identities of gender before (when I felt somewhat bi leaning), if that makes sense. I have no qualms with how people identify me under the larger Bi umbrella, but people saying only pan people can like trans or nb people is pretty whack. No one should feel forced to change how they identify their sexuality based on how other people view it. There are some nb people that identity as gay or lesbian, and it may be more difficult for people to understand currently, but it's absolutely valid for someone to have individual preferences and interests, as long as they aren't based on ignorance or prejudice. Some trans people wont date other trans people because of dysphoria they tend to get from that, and that's absolutely fine with me, because they want to take care of themselves, and realize they could become toxic to themselves and/or others because of how they experience and feel things. I used to not want to date other trans men before I fully came out, and that was due to deep rooted self esteem and dysphoria issues, but now I am more than happy to date other trans men. whew I went on a big thing there. Sorry lol. I haven't been able to talk many LGBT+ nuanced things with people lately ahhah
@@its_the_bird Fucking same my dude. Being pan doesn't make someone above or somehow "more woke" than bi people. Everyone has their own relationship with labels and their definitions, but identifying as something similar to someone else does not justify hate. I have also encountered a lot of people who think that people identifying as pan is disrespectful to bi people because it is ignoring our history and I'm just like. Bro- It's MULTISEXUAL history. As in PEOPLE WHO LIKE MORE THAN ONE GENDER. Not just bi history. By that logic we should never evolve or change our language ever because it's "disrespectful to history." Like even though Marsha P Johnson identified as a drag queen doesn't mean that she is not a part of TRANS history. Just because it is not the same exact label doesn't mean that it is not our history. Overall I think people just try to find ways to make themselves feel above people when in reality, we should just respect each other and our differences and our similarities and experiences and choices because we're all on the same team and go through the same struggles of being multisexual.
@@its_the_bird You said it all aha ! Personally it's just that I feel differently attracted to genders, like I feel more "sexually" attracted to men & men-aligned people, and more romantically attracted to women & women-aligned people. I guess I could use the label "omnisexual" but I don't want to have to explain all the time what it means... And I just hate when some people say that Bi are not attracted to trans people (including NB) I mean I get why some people wouldn't want to date trans ppl, like it can be pure transphobia but sometimes it's just that the other person is not willing to go with everything that comes with being trans in a relationship, but that doesn't mean you have to generalize :'))) Anyway we're all fucking valid
@@AllDaGoodUsernamesWereTaken Omnisexuality is being attracted to all genders, but without being genderblind like pansexuals. That means that you may have a preference for a gender, or you like them differently, anyway gender matters but you are attracted to all of them
Guys, if we get rid of the T, next there gonna pick off other letters until there is nothing left, we stand together, that’s the point of lgbtq+. We are a community and if a part of it is picked off, then the rest will be picked off. It’s simple.
Wow! Hate is hate! How freaky that people that were terrorized, hated and repressed for hundreds of years are so quick to hate others! But I've seen it. "Now that we've arrived, we don't need you anymore, go away!" I hate labels for anyone, and I strongly resist the idea that people must conform to other peoples standards and expectations.
She has NO idea what she's talking about. She is spouting stereo type rhetoric. Please get your facts straight or announce your "facts" as truly "your opinions". Noah is absolutely correct. A person can be trans and be either straight or gay, however, it is all about identity and not actual "assignment". Trans means that you are transitioning from one gender to another. Also, there is a spectrum of trans people-- from simple name change and appearance to total and complete medical procedures. Though not trans myself, I fully support the Trans Community and each individual struggling to make the needed changes, sometimes totally without needed support. My heart and soul are with you. It's about being "different" from societal norms that makes it important the the 'T' remain in LGBTQ+ community. Mark.
I'm non binary and I've been diagnosed professionally with gender dysphoria and am planning to get surgery for my chest dysphoria. Most non binary people have dysphoria 🙄
Thing is tho its not just LGBT anymore, there is a lot of sexualities and gender expressions. We are all in a community and are all valid. No matter what we identify as. Whether you are pan, bi, poly, ace and everything else. We all matter!
The whole acronym for LGBTQ+ is lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, aromantic, pansexual (I missed some).
The fact that the trans guy can sit there and say that one of the problems he would have with the t being removed from lgbt is that thErE wiLl Be mOrE LeTteRs sinCe tHere ArE so mAnY gEndeRs is beyond infuriating like s i r think about all the people that would lose their safespace, think about the transphobes that'll win and feel like their ideas are valid and so many more problems like come ON
you were very well spoken in this one! i really loved "where are you getting these ideas? because they're not coming from the trans community." which I feel like can be applied to a lot of conversations around trans people
I'm an older male. Not part of the LGBT community. Anyway I agree with your views on the video. You made me laugh a few times too. I've seen a few of your videos. This video made me a subscriber. You are one cool dude Noah.
I came out as a gay man in 1984, I'm a cis gay man but I don't think that term was around then. Anyway I joined in with the LGBTQ civil rights movement and marched, wrote letters, helped create our local LGBTQ Community Center. Those of us who were out never questioned who belonged, we welcomed everyone. Because we were all fighting against the same discrimination and seeking the same civil rights. It's better now, but we are all still fighting for the same thing, everyone belongs, always have and always will as far as I'm concerned!!!
@@seeawn www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/03/18/canadian-man-jailed-after-misgendering-his-daughter/ here’s one example and also that’s one of the reason people hate the lgbt. The dishonesty. “Oh so little have been arrested for it” that’s because they give out the choice between time and a fine. .-. Don’t ask why people don’t like you guys. This is why.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with my girlfriend at the time. She and I disagreed on wether asexuality should be included in LGBT. In my eyes, asexuality is a diverging form of expected sexuality and therefore belonged to the LGBT community. In her eyes, asexuality isn't something people are systematically being discriminated on, such as gender expression in the workplace or same sex marriage. We couldn't convince one another because we saw the essence of the LGBT community differently. She saw it as a political united front who fights for human rights, whereas my focus layed more on the social community aspect of it. I believe the community can be both, but I understand why people get anxious about making a less precise point by "diluting" the message. But I believe that's why having subgroups for political action makes sense. There can be a Trans chapter in the community, that doesn't require boundaries between other chapters/letters.
asexuals are pretty discriminated against. most arguments i've heard about ace people not being in the community is because if they are cishet (romantically) then it'd make no sense since they don't experience ssa/sga nor gender dysphoria. the good arguments (against it) will say that it's not inherently lgbt when they are cishet (romantically)
I've been out for about a decade now, and never once did I question if trans people should be included in the LGBT-groups. Trans people and gay people have always been in the same community, at least to my knowledge. We've always had each others back and supported each other. I'm not about to turn my back to trans people just because it has become easier for me to be myself, I want them to have the same rights.
Imagine how spineless you have to be to throw a whole community under the bus just to get some love from The Straights. Like why would you even do that, it's not like they'll date you now??
I’m a cis bisexual girl, I welcome trans people into the community with open arms! We are stronger together! (Also, I’ve always connected so much with pan people, they get me in a way people only attracted to one gender don’t). Love defeats hate ❤️
I've got so much internalised transphobia already that I feel like I'm suffocating and people like this aren't helping, it's so hard to accept myself and especially now when I'm stuck with my family and hearing this stuff it's harder and harder to fight what they're saying in my head
Just remember most of the world will never accept you and your support comes from an echo chamber you surround yourself with. Also* the approval rating for LGBT issues among young people is going down from the last generation. So theres a very good chance things will get harder not easier.
Better Now, I shouldn’t have to explain why what you said was needlessly cruel. How can you possibly justify attacking someone in a fragile state of mind with the intention of making it worse? That will never be the right thing to do, no matter what you believe. There is no excuse.
@Alex Percy I know its been a long time but i hope you're doing well, also the people in the video have no idea what they're talking about and you are the only one that knows how you feel so don't let them get to you. You're valid and deserve to be happy.
Sad to see that it is still a problem, especially among lesbians. I used to hang out in lesbian circles in the 90's and felt ostracised because I'm pansexual and trans. But there wasn't any place else to go back then for a masculine presenting "girl". Basically I was kicked out by terfs, the term didn't exist but the attitude was exactly the same.
“People trying to erase” way to pretend you didn’t add that on there before. .-. “Why are people removing the thing from a list that it doesn’t belong in? Don’t they know I forcibly added us to their movement?” Also you are aware that it used to be “homosexual” before they made it an acronym to add trans people right? Then they called us the Q word. :T oh and honosexual meant anyone interested in the same sex. Not “only the same sex.” Thanks for dragging bi people in this though
I think that even though sexuality and gender identity are very different, but because they have always being included in LGBT, they have just as much right to it as LGB. You could just as easily “drop” those letters, but that won’t happen because LGB people are much more mainstream and accepted. We gay/bisexual people should be supporting the trans people who have fought with us against the same kind of people who have discriminated against us. Like you said, it’s “interesting” that now that LGB people got mainstream approval, some of them are suddenly starting this “remove the T” thing. As if THEIR oppression was all that mattered, and now that they have acceptance, they dont want to associate themselves with people who have less acceptance at the risk of losing some of their acceptance.
I only started seeing this trend pick up when *some* members of the TQ part of the community started accusing others of being bigots for not dating them and for redefining sex and gender. This has led to people on both sides feeling invalidated for a multitude of reasons. Make of that information what you will, however you feel about the subject, but I am not surprised there is turmoil.
This video is so good and so important! Thank you for this! I’m ashamed to say that I regularly watched Arielle throughout my whole teenage and young adult years until I was about 24, thinking she was really good... but I unsubscribed about 1-2 years ago when I realised everything had become so utterly transphobic. I’ve only recently seen her newer videos and, well, I’m horrified. Trans people are ALWAYS welcome in the LGBT+ community and I’m sorry you’re having to deal with this rubbish, from not only her but all those others too! You are all loved and valid as heck
Watching Noah's react videos physically and mentally hurt, not because of his reaction, no that's gold, but because of the hypocritical, transphobic, and ignorant people in the videos he's reacting to. I need to go dunk me head in a bucket of cold water to get those videos out of my mind.
Wow. Well first off f**k my life. When you finally think you belong somewhere and that you've found the community that will accept you to then hear from someone in that community that you don't belong is a really s**t feeling.
DO YOU THINK TRANS PEOPLE BELONG IN THE LGBT COMMUNITY?
OF COURSE Y'ALL ARE VALID
NoahFinnce Yes
indeed
NoahFinnce Hell yeah. Where else do I go? 💙💖⚪️💖💙
YES! Of course!! We belong there BECAUSE Non-binary and gender-fluid people and etc are welcomed also, and thats not a sexuality. But everybody should just accept eachother that are in the community.
“Lesbians are typically more masculine” Femmes: ._. “ok”
Bears are the chopped liver of the gay community, and femmes are the chopped liver of the lesbian community.
Do you not know what the word typically means?
ayax moji I could really do with some help looking for where i asked :/
I mean lately I've noticed a big push for masculine lesbians to transition when they dont need to.
The trans community has been very oppressive to women and lesbians yet no one mentions it.
Better Now I’m unsure if I have offended you in some way, but I partially understand where you are coming from. It’s a shame that gender expression has been made a part of sexuality when they are two very separate aspects.
I'm not even trans and I'm offended by this stupidity.
Same
Same
Same
Same
And you guys are the reason I have hope for the future. Thanks!!
Imagine being Ace AND trans
*Double the damage*
It hurts worse when people IN the community hate on you too
you are valid bro!!!!!
Ikr? As if people didn't already think asexuality isn't real and that "you just haven't met the right person", people also discredit trans people as if they know better. Truth is, you know yourself best and nobody can change that. So I don't get why people still insist on denying other people of who they are. It clearly doesn't "help them change" or whatever they want. All it does is cause harm. And it's extremely hypocritical coming from the community because they should know how it feels to be discriminated against.
Lary does stuff Thank you c:
Milly Bays Exactly
P e a c e P a n d a same here. I’m a demi biromantic asexual closeted trans non binary. What even is that? Like nobody believes I exist!
As an old gay man I have to say: Exclusion is NOT what we have been fighting for!
We are stronger together, stop these ppl who are trying to divide us.
Thank you ❤️
Dis man dis man you bloody legend I hope you live forever
you say, supporting a group that segregates people based on their sexuality...
@@clockywork It's marginalized groups working together towards their common interests. It's completely different you troglodyte.
@@clockywork Nothing could be further from the truth. Your first mistake: You seem to suffer from the illusion, that transgender men and women (or anyone else who fits under the LGBTQAI+ umbrella) somehow is holding certain same views as a collective. That is false!
Your second mistake: You assume to know whom I support or which views I support. You do not!
when that guy said "toddlers having sex changes" i paused the video and took a walk around my house because i needed to calm myself down
There are kids being transitioned though
@@benjaminreyes3624 some kids might be going by different names and pronouns but they're not getting sex change surgeries
@@owent.2306 it's not just names. it's actually happening to kids. Puberty blockers and pushing to transition kids as early as 12. There are a few stories of former trans women who were transitioned so young and full blown regret it and want to be a boy. Unfortunately the deal was already made and it's to late for them to go back
@@benjaminreyes3624 kids who go on puberty blockers can just go off of them if they realize they aren't trans. i've never heard of anyone under the age of sixteen medically transitioning, and i don't know of any people who are advocating for that
@@owent.2306 that's why there is youtube I can send you link to stories if you like.. would you like to me too?
when arielle is the least transphobic person is a video you know it’s a bad video
Ya lol. I’m not even trans and I’m so offended by this whole “lgb” alliance thing
At first when I saw the “drop the t” community stuff I thought that it was just people wanting trans people to have their own community/ voice
Boi was I wrong as hell
Lgbt people should work together... like how bi and pan people get slagged by other lgbt people
Why would people just turn around and push the hate they get onto trans and bi and pan people
Fluffer Pupper it’s a type of internalized oppression, not unlike a black person who doesn’t like black people. Many cis non heterosexuals desperately want to be accepted by cishets. Instead of coming to the conclusion that some people are just gonna be homophobic, they try to find a justification for why one might be that way. This leads them to look for a scapegoat which usually takes the form of either trans people, enbys, bisexuals, or anyone else in the lgbtq community that isn’t exclusively gay or isn’t cis.
But noah...
No one seems to remember when bisexuality was “stupid and greedy” and we wanted them to “choose a side”, can’t even imagine what will happen when they notice so many different ways we express sexuality.
I KNOW! and when that one person was suggesting that bi people should 'be against' pan people I was just sooo confused. like what about someone like me who *identifies* as bi, but by DEFINITION I'm pan?? it just makes no gotdamn sense haha
Still happens.
Laura Patrick exactly! I agree
People still ask me which I like more😂😂
And I’m still like BOTH, thats the whole point😂😂😂
Dizzy Giggleflix theres an account i follow and he had an interview with a biphobe, it’s gross they still exist, and the biphobe was gay i think
When he saw Arielle and just said “nooooo” I died😂
Noah: I havent watched this video beforehand
Arielle: I'm about to ruin this man's whole career
When I saw her I was like "Not this annoying fake feminist terf" like nooooo
@@mxiy8 ahahahaha ikr, I'm still internally screaming
As a cis lesbian, let’s start accepting EVERYONE in the community.
Let’s stop biphobia acephobia and transphobia inside and outside of the community.
we should all support each other and fight for each other rights because we know how hard it is to not be expected by other people. Let’s make our community a safe place for everyone❤️🏳️⚧️❤️🏳️🌈
I concur.
agreed
As a gay man let’s not speak for the rest of us based on your opinion. “Our community” what definition of community are you using?
@@wacawaka1802 I didn’t speak for everyone, just said my opinion . Also “our community “ is the lgbtq+ community, I thought it was obvious
PERIODT
As a lesbian, something that will always confuse me is when LGB people try to push down trans people is that they're doing the exact same thing they fought against. Why cause people the same pain we've had to go through? These exclusionists will never make sense to me, ever.
That’s because you refuse to let gay people think on their own. People like you need to believe everyone on your side thinks the same. It’s homophobic and bigoted.
@@juniorqindes8335 I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, could you potentially explain further? My point is saying that exclusionists need to let people find themselves and exist as themselves, in the LBTQ+ community, without fighting back against what they deem "not valid" or "not LBGT" enough. Gay people can of course think on their own, I'm by no means saying that people have to agree with my point of view - I was just expressing it on a video that I agreed with. Also, how exactly am I homophobic and bigoted for saying that people deserve... to exist in our community?
@@atallus_ “deserve to exist IN OUR COMMUNITY” I’m gay, am I in the lgbt? If so, what if I don’t like bi lesbians or trans people? Also, seriously how are we at all a community? Just saying that is ignorent. Why do you have to lump us all together? You certainly didn’t take a poll. :T also how are we “excluding” :T you are literally including everyone you want to and not asking first. Another thing, what is the lgbtq? Other than “everything that isn’t str8” here’s a news flash…. THE LGBT IS EXCLUSIONARY. It’s designed to be. So is POC. Both these terms are basically saying “everyone I like” because saying “I don’t like so and so” or “we are different than so and so” sounds wrong. But guess what? Both are horribly wrong. Pride, the lgbt, and the rainbow are all things forced on gay people through politics. All terrible and all preventing what we ACTUALLY considered progress before people like you took over. Remember normalizing? Guess that’s over right?
@@juniorqindes8335 due to this comment being very glitchy due to length, i've put my response into a google doc. docs.google.com/document/d/1w90547KIZ2CsrN3hX1lIeTcQEgYOv5EFTHEVCQCBkYE/edit?usp=sharing
@@atallus_ my favorite part is when you called all gays, bi people, and lesbian bigoted. :T you are in fact a bigot. You are a bigot because you are still forcing the term community which implies plenty of bigoted things. You are ignorant because you speak in this way completely against the point. Even twisting it to try and say it back. “ you don’t know the history” oh look the ignorent are claiming the opposition doesn’t know better. I’m a gay man. You know they literally changed around the letters to put lesbians in front of us? You know by adding trans and queer they completely crapped all over the progress we caught for because people like you wanted different? Again, how are we a community? You still haven’t answered. That’s just a cult term they use to lump us together. Go look at what that word means. :T go look at the time each definition put. I know all the things the lgbt ACTUALLY DID. All you know is the good stuff they told you they do and how great it is. You are an enemy of gay, lesbian, and bi people. Saying you aren’t homophobic doesn’t help. You are like one of those people who says “I’m not homophobic, I just don’t think gays should get married” I blame people like you more for the hate crimes, suicides, and abused kids. Why? Because if not for the lgbt we would have done what we wanted. And gay would just be a normal thing. Not some celebrated thing you need to have pride in or you hate yourself. Pride and the lgbt are political movements. To suggest someone is against themselves for being against them is inherently homophobic. Even if you don’t think that word fits you… remember all the crap you said. Even if you don’t hate us you are still terrible to us. And I would rather have a hateful neighbor than abusive siblings.
All of these people give me “I’m not like other girls” vibes. The type of people that in order to gain acceptance or some weird sense of individuality have to put others in the same marginalised group down. It’s so silly 😭
HOLY SHIT THIS RLY IS A NOT LIKE OTHER GIRLS VIBE OH MY GOD BIG BRAIN MOMENT
Internalized homophobia/transphobia
IKR? Also it's so ironic that these kind of people talk about "individuality" when their ultimate goal is to look cool and be accepted by the majority aka straight cis people
I think it's kind of an issue with well meaning liberals who think "sexuality/gender shouldn't matter", "LGBT people are just like you". It sounds nice but in practice it's quite heteronormative because it basically discourages any distinctive queer expression of sexuality and gender. After I first came out to my straight friends as gay, I felt like I had to prove that "this doesn't change anything about me, I'm still the same person" but in hindsight it's clear I was experiencing internalized homophobia and I'm still kinda working on it.
@@ElaborateTiger I don't think that has anything to do with being liberal though
Irrelevant: you’re hair is very fluffy today
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It hurts as a young trans guy that this is even a thing or conversation
Same.. It sucks people are not being to smart about stuff. I am a trans guy myself also and them saying the community is only for gays etc. What about the non-binary people and gender fulid people (Sorry if I spelled that wrong) also? Thats not a sexuality but they are in the community also. Etc, (demi-male, demi-female.) Etc I dont know all. But why get rid of people from the community? We are trying to help eachother! And I agree with you this shouldnt be a conversation.
Even though I may not be a trans person, I'm a lesbian and I think trans people should be included into the lgbt community
Same here mate
same im so mad
Hey, this L thinks you guys are a valid and amazing part of our community
You can’t be kicked out of the LGBT community because it’s not a CLUB. If you say something that’s harmful to a group of people, those people are gonna give you shit for it, that’s just how it works. You’re still LGBT, your opinions and the things you say are just hurting other people who are LGBT and you’re gonna get backlash for it.
Exactly
this is definitely transphobia. I’m gay and I would never drop my Trans sisters and brothers
And siblings (non binary peeps can be trans too)
Exactly, like my sister is a cisgender bigot, but as a cisgender, I would never drop my trans friends
Bigot?
as a trans woman, i don’t think it’s transphobia. getting rid of a letter in an acronym that doesn’t relate to the other letters at all? how is that transphobic lmao. if you’re not trans, please don’t speak on our issues
I agree
It infuriates me when people try to discredit your argument by accusing you of "gEttInG oFfEndEd". Forgive me for getting emotional while partaking in a conversation in which my identity and value as a human being is disputed. Very commendable that you, someone with no personal stake in this debate that is life or death for me, can stay calm and collected. If I reveal any degree of investment, I must be childish and illogical. Not only is it a non-argument, it also fails to address what the other person is saying in any way.
I want to copy and paste this EVERYWHERE
literally what i wanted to say
Just like when women ask for rights, we're always "hysteric"
Well put.
@voilaviolamh I'm not trans and my comment is not specific to the video. It's a comment on how this is in general a moronic argument to use. If we're talking trans issues, you are downplaying the very real effects discriminatory attitudes have on marginalized people. To voice those feelings helps normalize them and validates those who hold them at any level of severity. Thus, they feel justified in their bigotry while those targeted feel unwelcome and unsafe. It stands to reason that a trans person being told they don't belong in the community would get defensive about it because you are claiming that they don't belong in what is possibly the only place where they don't feel othered, out of nowhere and with, in my opinion, bogus reasoning. A lot of the time accusations like this are used the context of politics, and I hope I don't have to explain to you how big an effect political decisions can have on the downtrodden. It is ridiculous to claim that your opinion is invalid if, again, you betray at any point that the subject concerns you, and only something that someone very lucky to be able to view the subject as totally divorced from themselves could say.
MARGINALIZED PEOPLE STOP TRYING TO ALLY WITH YOUR OPPRESSOR TO OPPRESS OTHER PEOPLE CHALLENGE
Also being a radical trans ideologue is a good thing
@@gracetriendl721 what about people like myself who advocate for gay and lesbian rights yet dont agree with trangenderism?
@@betternow1906 If you're marginalized then reread my first comment if not you're just bigoted
{Better Now} people like yourself partake in trans erasure.
It's sad as hell.
Me: *Sees video title*
Also me: *This video could've been 1 second long. Just YES*
This video just pissed me off. How could you be so ignorant?? And the girl reading from the scripts saying pansexuals are offending bisexuals was so stupid I'm honestly lost for words. It's not just LGBT it's LGBTQ+ or lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, aromantic, pansexual (There are more). Including sexuality and gender. It's about acceptance in everybody not pushing people out.
Pre-fucking-cisley
ally doesn't belong in lgbt, we can have a place without straight/cis people, they can still support us, but why throw them in?
@@carmenq7339 I could take it out if you want? But that's the official acronym for LGBTQ+.
@@carmenq7339 There I changed some of it around
New to your channel, but I just want to comment on the "nobody wants sex changes for children" thing. For cis people maybe, but people who are born intersex will often have surgery to "correct" the issue against their will. It is a horrific practice.
I feel like the dude in the tank top just tried to put a bunch of big words in to sound smart
something about the phrase "your local toddler" made me cry laughing tbh
Why don't I remember that? That sounds like exactly the kind of thing that would have set me off, can I have a time stamp for it?
Noah's reaction when Arielle's face appeared is a whole mood
Yo, if these cis people are "exhausted" by our existence, how do you think we feel?
The “I can’t say statistic” part melted my heart it was so cute omfg
"Non-binary people make trans people look like a joke because trans people have gender dysphoria and non-binary people don't."
Me: *waves a paper that says I have gender dysphoria* *Is this what you wanted?*
also, I'm trans and I'm not comfortable in my body, but I don't think I have gender dysphoria bc it's not as bad as other people describe it. but that doesn't mean I'm not trans, right?
(btw, ik this comment is old but I just saw it and wanted to respond :D)
@@auggienussbaum honestly, if you think you're trans then you're probably trans
Some trans people experience dysphoria differently or not at all, so, it's up to you to realize whether you're trans or not
@@auggienussbaum I'm no expert so I don't know how much my opinion matters to you, but I think you're valid. I heard the question (I think it was in a Samantha Lux video) of why do trans people have to justify their existence by suffering and it's a very good point. If a cis woman like me can imagine how it would be like to be a man and think "no, that's not for me, I'm happier and more comfortable in a woman's body" without feeling pain or much discomfort and never change my mind about it, then why can't trans people figure out their feelings about that unless they prove they have bad gender dysphoria? I do understand the use of gatekeeping when it comes to permanent changes to your body (though maybe that is also up for debate) but other than that if someone says they're trans I see no reason to not believe them. You know better than anyone else how you feel and who you are.
Nonbinary people have gender dysphoria WTF educate urself
When your hair is *SO FREAKING FLUFFY* that you can’t see your eyebrows
omg i’ve seen you on other videos recently 😂
TH-cam: 2 comments
Me: can I see then
Also youtube: no
it’s 5 minutes in and it’s telling me there’s no views
@@NOAHFINNCE impossible for your videos
@NoahFinnce I had to reload seven times before it showed any views
@@NOAHFINNCE Tom Scott actually explains this just look up Tom Scott: why computers can't count sometimes. It's a really interesting video
ollie b ...you have sam and colby in your pfp and you’re also a fan of noah... youre officially my soulmate... deal with it
That third girl just wants to remove any labels she cant get her head around 😂
The LGBT+ community is literally for gender and sexuality. The T shouldn't be removed because this community was made for people who go outside of the cisgender/heterosexual "norm". I get that Sexuality and Gender are not the same but, we are both affected by a lot of the same hatred, and called by the same hateful names. Trans people as well as Gay people are kicked out of their homes, beaten, ridiculed, and made to feel like we're all less than by many people. Not all go through this but people who go against the gender and sexuality "norm" deserve to stick together and feel safe in our communities.
trans people have been in the lgbT community since forever??????? people are just so transphobic and self centered they want to make everything about themselves
“the lgbt community is for sexual orientation” the lgbt community is and has always been for people who don’t fit in the cishet spectrum, and for all i know that includes trans people???? i love this community so much but if there’s one thing i hate here is the gatekeeping and as a bisexual i’ve been a “victim” of people who are so self entitled and think they have the right to say who belongs and who doesn’t belong in the community
like noah said trans people have been fighting’s for decades for gay/lgbt rights and now that we have some rights some people think it’s okay to just throw away the t? that’s bullshit, gatekeeping is bullshit, these people should mind their own damn business and focus on themselves rather than tell people if they belong or not in the lgbt community
This is the same thing with asexual and aromantic exclusionists as well as trans gatekeeping it's bullshit I swear to god some people just need to shut the fuck up
This is genuinely the first time I’ve heard someone comparing the “trans lobby/trans trender” thing to the “gay agenda,” and it makes so much sense. Well said, I can’t believe other people aren’t noting this.
Yes. 100%. We (The LGB) wouldn’t have the rights we do today if it wasn’t for the T. It was trans women and street kids who first stood up at stonewall and started the whole gay rights movement. I feel like excluding the T community now would be like a spit in the face to all the people who fought for us over the years. Gays today seem to forget their history and its saddening
And there is trans erasure. People still claim that Stonewall was just about gay people, the trans people involved have become chopped liver.
Gay rights movement start in Germany on 1860... The US isn't the center of the world.
@@paulogibaldi2411 A lot of information was lost because of the Nazis, too.
The transgendered may well have joined LGBT movement but that doesn’t change the fact that being gay and transgendered are totally different things that shouldn’t be lumped together.
@Mr Realist About what? Stonewall happened and it was startwed by trans POC. I think you're the missinformed one.
I love the gay guy saying that we shouldn't be at extremes, it's just the stereotype of white middle class gay, that just wants to be included. We didn't get where we at by not being extreme
Why do people say we should fight “radical” people without defining radical. It was once radical for a Black woman to refuse to give up her seat on a bus.
Lgbtq stands for acceptence of everyone
It hurts knowing people are getting upset cause they don't think
"They belong"
Everyone belongs somewhere
Yes everyone belongs somewhere, but maybe trans ppl dont belong in the lgbt community specifically? Thats almost like saying black people beling in the lgbt community just because theyre oppressed as well?
@@vincentfields286 and that's why we have black history month
I just don't get how like they said trans people would of have been supportive of gay/lesbians for the longest
But than randomly it hurts to know people are stabbing us in the back
There also talking about removing the B because "there's no such thing as liking both"
@@raeechllee Its understandable if you think about it like this: there are certain stereotypes that make trans ppl look bad. Like the whole "uwu bigender lesbian femboy" type stuff. So when cishets think "lgbt community" they usually think of that (even though obviously not all trans ppl are like that at all). Being trans isnt a sexuality, and being gay or bi isnt about transitioning. So where are we in the same community at all? Just because majority of trans ppl support and love lgb ppl, doesnt mean we should be a part of the same community
@@vincentfields286 Because it has been founded that way.
You of course could split it, but I think that that would just spread toxic relationships between the community in these times. Why should we split it at the same time when (as? Someone please tell and correct me) trans people getting discriminated? I'm okay with dividing it when the river has calmed down again and everyone can make a decision about it in neutral times without doing it to invalidate the other group.
Oh we do? I believe as a gay man I’m forcibly appart of it aren’t I? Mind not speaking for me?
You know the video is wack when Arielle’s take was the most tame :0
Literally she was kinda ... respectful?!
"The T has nothing to do with sexuality" yes and LGB has nothing to do with transitioning - your point is?
I think you just said what the point is. That sexuality and transitioning have nothing to do with each other, so why are they together?
Ayannna Harrison-Riley because its a community of oppressed people
@@ayannnaharrison-riley7129 it's a community about acceptance in everybody not pushing people out
@@ayannnaharrison-riley7129 LGB and trans people are all opressed by the same people, that's why we are together on the same community
Trans ppl started the community. How ungrateful and privileged are we to just drop them and act like they dont exist. It's disgusting.
so there’s this quote that goes “you are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts,” and i wish i could say that to every person in that video that Noah reacted to.
Man, as a woman married to a trans woman, it’s really frustrating when transphobic people look at trans women and cis women together as straight couples. I met my wife right after I came out as lesbian and went through a lot of weird shame and isolation from community because I felt I couldn’t be respected no matter what label I used. It seems like the greater lgbt community is getting better with this but it’s still an issue
Homosexuality rights activism is not transphobia. You are actually a heterosexual couple. You've nothing to do with actual lesbian, gay and bisexual people. It is homophobia when you try to silence us into not fighting for the respect of our sexual orientations.
@@dadeusfortunae Lol what? A few things, 1. We are not a straight couple. If you believe that, look at how actual homophobic straight people treat people like us. 2. My wife is bi, which still stands whether you view trans people as valid or not. And 3. I don’t believe that anyone should be pressured into dating/engaging sexually with ANYONE including trans people, so I have absolutely no idea how you think gay-trans couples existing is oppressive to other people
not gonna be mean, not gonna be mean, not gonna be mean
"pansexuality and omnisexuality harm the bi community" I almost CHOKED WTF
I'm bi, these are just terms that are more specific and fall under the bi umbrella, and that's valid ?? Like ??
EXACTLYYY agh like, I don't mind at all if people call me bi instead of pan. There are some people that argue that pan people can like nb people, but bi people can't, and that seems like a weird way to target bi people as somewhat transphobic, and also it's a weird way to sneakily further ostracize or fetishize nb people. I'm sure some people don't view it as that, and it's fine to have different interests, but it's not fine to basically say bi people as a whole are less progressive somehow.
For me, I feel I am pan because I notice a person's personality first as my way of being attracted to them (that's just my personal reasoning and identity, though). Before I started T, I used to feel I was gay with some bi leanings (mostly biromantic, as I had fallen for a few women, but was mainly interested in men both romantically and otherwise). I now just think "wow, cute person! wowee" when I see or am around someone that is my type. That type is wider now, and more amorphous. I have a hugeee thing for creative types and people who enjoy pondering most anything, so that to me is the most defining aspect of my sexuality; it is based on person to person without their gender affecting it much or any. I used to feel different varieties and levels of attraction to different identities of gender before (when I felt somewhat bi leaning), if that makes sense.
I have no qualms with how people identify me under the larger Bi umbrella, but people saying only pan people can like trans or nb people is pretty whack. No one should feel forced to change how they identify their sexuality based on how other people view it.
There are some nb people that identity as gay or lesbian, and it may be more difficult for people to understand currently, but it's absolutely valid for someone to have individual preferences and interests, as long as they aren't based on ignorance or prejudice. Some trans people wont date other trans people because of dysphoria they tend to get from that, and that's absolutely fine with me, because they want to take care of themselves, and realize they could become toxic to themselves and/or others because of how they experience and feel things. I used to not want to date other trans men before I fully came out, and that was due to deep rooted self esteem and dysphoria issues, but now I am more than happy to date other trans men.
whew I went on a big thing there. Sorry lol. I haven't been able to talk many LGBT+ nuanced things with people lately ahhah
@@its_the_bird Fucking same my dude. Being pan doesn't make someone above or somehow "more woke" than bi people. Everyone has their own relationship with labels and their definitions, but identifying as something similar to someone else does not justify hate.
I have also encountered a lot of people who think that people identifying as pan is disrespectful to bi people because it is ignoring our history and I'm just like. Bro- It's MULTISEXUAL history. As in PEOPLE WHO LIKE MORE THAN ONE GENDER. Not just bi history. By that logic we should never evolve or change our language ever because it's "disrespectful to history." Like even though Marsha P Johnson identified as a drag queen doesn't mean that she is not a part of TRANS history. Just because it is not the same exact label doesn't mean that it is not our history.
Overall I think people just try to find ways to make themselves feel above people when in reality, we should just respect each other and our differences and our similarities and experiences and choices because we're all on the same team and go through the same struggles of being multisexual.
@@its_the_bird You said it all aha !
Personally it's just that I feel differently attracted to genders, like I feel more "sexually" attracted to men & men-aligned people, and more romantically attracted to women & women-aligned people. I guess I could use the label "omnisexual" but I don't want to have to explain all the time what it means...
And I just hate when some people say that Bi are not attracted to trans people (including NB)
I mean I get why some people wouldn't want to date trans ppl, like it can be pure transphobia but sometimes it's just that the other person is not willing to go with everything that comes with being trans in a relationship, but that doesn't mean you have to generalize :')))
Anyway we're all fucking valid
Whats omnisexuality?
@@AllDaGoodUsernamesWereTaken Omnisexuality is being attracted to all genders, but without being genderblind like pansexuals.
That means that you may have a preference for a gender, or you like them differently, anyway gender matters but you are attracted to all of them
"we have to fight all radicals" IF WE DID THAT STONEWALL WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED WHA-
You know nothing about what happened do you?
Guys, if we get rid of the T, next there gonna pick off other letters until there is nothing left, we stand together, that’s the point of lgbtq+. We are a community and if a part of it is picked off, then the rest will be picked off. It’s simple.
Wow! Hate is hate! How freaky that people that were terrorized, hated and repressed for hundreds of years are so quick to hate others! But I've seen it. "Now that we've arrived, we don't need you anymore, go away!" I hate labels for anyone, and I strongly resist the idea that people must conform to other peoples standards and expectations.
She has NO idea what she's talking about. She is spouting stereo type rhetoric. Please get your facts straight or announce your "facts" as truly "your opinions". Noah is absolutely correct. A person can be trans and be either straight or gay, however, it is all about identity and not actual "assignment". Trans means that you are transitioning from one gender to another. Also, there is a spectrum of trans people-- from simple name change and appearance to total and complete medical procedures. Though not trans myself, I fully support the Trans Community and each individual struggling to make the needed changes, sometimes totally without needed support. My heart and soul are with you. It's about being "different" from societal norms that makes it important the the 'T' remain in LGBTQ+ community. Mark.
Allies like you make me feel so much better after witnessing the bullshit those transphobes were spouting
I thought you were calling Noah a she for a hot second- thank god you weren't
I hope I'm not the "she" lol
noah just going "nO NO NO No no no no..." and decending into madness the moment arielle appears on screen is a big mood
You shutting these transphobes down so assuredly and confidently is such an unbelievably refreshing voice amidst the sea of hate
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the T will always stay in lgbtq+ they shaped this community and we need to help them out like they helped us as a community
I'm non binary and I've been diagnosed professionally with gender dysphoria and am planning to get surgery for my chest dysphoria. Most non binary people have dysphoria 🙄
Thing is tho its not just LGBT anymore, there is a lot of sexualities and gender expressions. We are all in a community and are all valid. No matter what we identify as. Whether you are pan, bi, poly, ace and everything else. We all matter!
Uncanny Dani PREACH 🏳️🌈💞
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK : WE👏ALL👏MATTER
Exactly. Its LGBTQ+. And even then there are ppl who think the q+ should be dropped. Those ppl drive me mad to no end!!
And that’s why I say LGBTQ+ Community
The whole acronym for LGBTQ+ is lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, aromantic, pansexual (I missed some).
The fact that the trans guy can sit there and say that one of the problems he would have with the t being removed from lgbt is that thErE wiLl Be mOrE LeTteRs sinCe tHere ArE so mAnY gEndeRs is beyond infuriating like s i r think about all the people that would lose their safespace, think about the transphobes that'll win and feel like their ideas are valid and so many more problems like come ON
I was actually standing but ok
you were very well spoken in this one! i really loved "where are you getting these ideas? because they're not coming from the trans community." which I feel like can be applied to a lot of conversations around trans people
Are you ready for Arielle response "lesbian react to homophobic accusation"?
I'm an older male. Not part of the LGBT community. Anyway I agree with your views on the video. You made me laugh a few times too. I've seen a few of your videos. This video made me a subscriber. You are one cool dude Noah.
i hate how lgbt community is fighting so much for equality and can't even deal with it inside the community
Personally I'm glad as an older Gay guy that the T was added as We are all family Fighting for our rights and acceptance in this strange world
I came out as a gay man in 1984, I'm a cis gay man but I don't think that term was around then. Anyway I joined in with the LGBTQ civil rights movement and marched, wrote letters, helped create our local LGBTQ Community Center. Those of us who were out never questioned who belonged, we welcomed everyone. Because we were all fighting against the same discrimination and seeking the same civil rights. It's better now, but we are all still fighting for the same thing, everyone belongs, always have and always will as far as I'm concerned!!!
10:01 FYI """"""compelled speech laws"""""" is it euphemisms for using trans people's correct pronouns 🙃🔫
Also no one has been arrested from those laws anyway, transphobes are conflating it to be something bigger than it is
@@seeawn www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/03/18/canadian-man-jailed-after-misgendering-his-daughter/ here’s one example and also that’s one of the reason people hate the lgbt. The dishonesty. “Oh so little have been arrested for it” that’s because they give out the choice between time and a fine. .-. Don’t ask why people don’t like you guys. This is why.
Noah is a better person than me 😭 when he’s says ‘I don’t wanna be mean’ all I can think is ‘I DO!’
As a cis gay guy, we do not claim these people
"Radical trans", I'M WHEEZING--
That's what gonna start calling myself now. Makes me sound less like a Sad Trans Person™ and more like a cool surfboarder.
@@dyinginside8822 im radical trans. Im a rad person to be around AND trans
“I just wanna exercise my new found privilege and side with the people who hate me!! And be gay!!”
no not at all, we should be included in the lgbT community and that's the t
‘Now I have to be worried abt toddlers getting sex changes’ we love people who don’t understand how it works
*VIDEO IDEA:* reacting or rating trans films (e.g The Danish Girl, In a Year of 13 Moons, Boys Don’t Cry etc.)
This reminds me of a conversation I had with my girlfriend at the time. She and I disagreed on wether asexuality should be included in LGBT. In my eyes, asexuality is a diverging form of expected sexuality and therefore belonged to the LGBT community. In her eyes, asexuality isn't something people are systematically being discriminated on, such as gender expression in the workplace or same sex marriage. We couldn't convince one another because we saw the essence of the LGBT community differently. She saw it as a political united front who fights for human rights, whereas my focus layed more on the social community aspect of it. I believe the community can be both, but I understand why people get anxious about making a less precise point by "diluting" the message. But I believe that's why having subgroups for political action makes sense. There can be a Trans chapter in the community, that doesn't require boundaries between other chapters/letters.
asexuals are pretty discriminated against. most arguments i've heard about ace people not being in the community is because if they are cishet (romantically) then it'd make no sense since they don't experience ssa/sga nor gender dysphoria. the good arguments (against it) will say that it's not inherently lgbt when they are cishet (romantically)
I've been out for about a decade now, and never once did I question if trans people should be included in the LGBT-groups. Trans people and gay people have always been in the same community, at least to my knowledge. We've always had each others back and supported each other. I'm not about to turn my back to trans people just because it has become easier for me to be myself, I want them to have the same rights.
Imagine how spineless you have to be to throw a whole community under the bus just to get some love from The Straights.
Like why would you even do that, it's not like they'll date you now??
"Gender and sexuality are not the same."
Um, yeah? And then?
I’m a cis bisexual girl, I welcome trans people into the community with open arms! We are stronger together! (Also, I’ve always connected so much with pan people, they get me in a way people only attracted to one gender don’t). Love defeats hate ❤️
When you made your first video about arielle she made a response called "reacting to sexist hate video" lol not surprised to see her on here
I've got so much internalised transphobia already that I feel like I'm suffocating and people like this aren't helping, it's so hard to accept myself and especially now when I'm stuck with my family and hearing this stuff it's harder and harder to fight what they're saying in my head
Just remember most of the world will never accept you and your support comes from an echo chamber you surround yourself with.
Also* the approval rating for LGBT issues among young people is going down from the last generation. So theres a very good chance things will get harder not easier.
Better Now, I shouldn’t have to explain why what you said was needlessly cruel. How can you possibly justify attacking someone in a fragile state of mind with the intention of making it worse? That will never be the right thing to do, no matter what you believe. There is no excuse.
@Alex Percy I know its been a long time but i hope you're doing well, also the people in the video have no idea what they're talking about and you are the only one that knows how you feel so don't let them get to you. You're valid and deserve to be happy.
As a nonbinary person i would love more scientific research about it. It's interesting!
Sad to see that it is still a problem, especially among lesbians. I used to hang out in lesbian circles in the 90's and felt ostracised because I'm pansexual and trans. But there wasn't any place else to go back then for a masculine presenting "girl".
Basically I was kicked out by terfs, the term didn't exist but the attitude was exactly the same.
I love how even people in the LGBTQ+ community forget that pan people do exist 😀 (this isnt towards noah btw)
People be trying to erase the T and the B like they just want LG lmao
To be fair I do need a new tv but that doesn’t excuse transphobia or biphobia
“People trying to erase” way to pretend you didn’t add that on there before. .-. “Why are people removing the thing from a list that it doesn’t belong in? Don’t they know I forcibly added us to their movement?” Also you are aware that it used to be “homosexual” before they made it an acronym to add trans people right? Then they called us the Q word. :T oh and honosexual meant anyone interested in the same sex. Not “only the same sex.” Thanks for dragging bi people in this though
@@wacawaka1802 U okay fam u seem pressed
@@annieshakespeare7613 lol yeah, they’re out here replying to loads of comments trying to justify their transphobic bullshit.
Me: I know Noah’s answer on this...
Also me: yeah let’s click on this and give Noah and our community some love
1:51 why does this person look like a video game character i’m so confused
helena haha so true tho
When the guy said T community, I was like
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"A couple of years ago saying the gays want to turn everyone"
Me, a Brazilian: "years ago?What do you mean?"
"I don't like other trans people, but everyone should love me because I don't like THOSE trans people" is the vibe of that video
"IM NOT GONNA BE MEAN, IM NOT GONNA BE MEAN"
you can tell he is really trying here
“You can tell this guy just litruhly knows nothing” Noah 2020
OH MY DEAR GOD... Noah, I love you, thank you for existing... Who are these people... OMG
I think that even though sexuality and gender identity are very different, but because they have always being included in LGBT, they have just as much right to it as LGB. You could just as easily “drop” those letters, but that won’t happen because LGB people are much more mainstream and accepted. We gay/bisexual people should be supporting the trans people who have fought with us against the same kind of people who have discriminated against us. Like you said, it’s “interesting” that now that LGB people got mainstream approval, some of them are suddenly starting this “remove the T” thing. As if THEIR oppression was all that mattered, and now that they have acceptance, they dont want to associate themselves with people who have less acceptance at the risk of losing some of their acceptance.
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I'm sorry but your hair becoming your eyebrow is a vibe
ah yes. the Tea community. I enjoy a cup of tea in the morning. Black tea is good. I also enjoy chamomile.
I only started seeing this trend pick up when *some* members of the TQ part of the community started accusing others of being bigots for not dating them and for redefining sex and gender. This has led to people on both sides feeling invalidated for a multitude of reasons. Make of that information what you will, however you feel about the subject, but I am not surprised there is turmoil.
Bad news,the LGB alliance has now got charity status now,sad times
last time i was this early i was allowed to go outside
"he's got a very wet mouth"
that killed me 😂😂😂
i just got a nintendo switch and imma call my animal crossing character noah finnce
If you're trans you should call it a intend to switch instead of Nintendo switch
@@hester1871 wtf?
This video is so good and so important! Thank you for this! I’m ashamed to say that I regularly watched Arielle throughout my whole teenage and young adult years until I was about 24, thinking she was really good... but I unsubscribed about 1-2 years ago when I realised everything had become so utterly transphobic. I’ve only recently seen her newer videos and, well, I’m horrified. Trans people are ALWAYS welcome in the LGBT+ community and I’m sorry you’re having to deal with this rubbish, from not only her but all those others too! You are all loved and valid as heck
Also, the whole “agenda” thing... you’re 1,000% right, it’s so damned hypocritical, it’s unbelievable!!
Watching Noah's react videos physically and mentally hurt, not because of his reaction, no that's gold, but because of the hypocritical, transphobic, and ignorant people in the videos he's reacting to. I need to go dunk me head in a bucket of cold water to get those videos out of my mind.
i hope you have a great day noah 🥺
I'm a 12 year old and even I could explain why the "t" in "lgbt" shouldn't be dropped better than everyone you've reacted to could XD
Wow. Well first off f**k my life. When you finally think you belong somewhere and that you've found the community that will accept you to then hear from someone in that community that you don't belong is a really s**t feeling.
So much Nonsense. Thank you for reacting. I enjoy listening to your insights🥰🥰
OMFG THE BI GIRL WHO WAS READING FROM A SCRIPT WAS IN MY CLASS IN COMPREHENSIVE/SECONDARY SCHOOL