Triumph Scrambler 400X - Better Than KTM ADV 390 ?
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Best review of this bike, so far. And by a fair margin.
Thanks bro.. 🫡🫡🫡
completely agree!
I was just gonna say that... Thanks for doing that already!
Yes completely agree
The best review on TH-cam by leaps n bounds
EXCELLENT review/comments.
10/10 !!!
YOU are one of the VERY VERY BEST motorcycle reviewers out there. VERY natural, you have a REAL talent.
I like the natural way you review, NO stupid LOUD music (NOISE). You tell it as it is.
This is what we want.
Please do not change.
Greetings from 'OZ'. (Australia)
Thanks for the motivating words. This keeps me going.
Very nice review, and that intro was nothing short of lit. Fantastic work !! ❤
Glad you liked it!!
Excellent review. Fair and balanced. Great handling of the bikes shortcomings which are legitimate ones. I still believe this is the next bike for me. There will definitely be aftermarket upgrades in the future and I love modifying my bikes. My previous bike was a 2016 Bonneville T120 which I sold to move to Portugal.
I agree.. This will be a hoot of a machine if the suspension is moded..
An excellent review of this motorcycle. Many thanks to you! 🙏
This review was fantastic. Im based in Jakarta and really hope triumph bring this bike over here.
Very detailed review, nice work 👌🏼
Seat height section was particularly helpful
Thanks You very much..
Review Game Strong. You are doing a better job than most of the loud reviewers out there.
Thanks Ketan for the encouraging feedback..
Thank you! Great review, went and saw one at the Triumph Road Show and, based on your test, ordered one.
Glad you liked it. Cheers ! And Best of luck
Nice review! I like those little bikes. They are still underrated here.
Greetings from Germany :-)
wooow thanks a lot for your review. It was perfect, the best one out there. you gave the correct information that I needed to know. Well done.
Fabulous review thank you ,I’m test riding one this coming week as I’m 75 in April thinking of chopping in my 1200 speed twin😮 regards Fred 🇬🇧😎☕️👌
Hi. Thanks for an excellent review. Just a question, would it make sense to switch to this bike from. 2021 390 adventure? I’ve been using ktm since 2017, and am looking for a more relaxed machine with more premium build.
Been watching a lot of reviews on this bike. This review was by far the best. Subbed.
Thanks for the feedback.. And taking out time .
Great review. Very detailed, thank you and Guri for your work. I actually wanted to buy a big bike again as usual but this 400X has something which speaks to me. Not heavy, nice ergonomics and a sweet "little" engine. I mean here in Germany they buy a BMW 1300 GS because they think they need it for their 3-Day-Trip on fine roads but actually all they "need" is a 400cc like this. Drive safe.
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loved the intro!
Thanks bro.. Brain fried in editing .. whole day today..
that is the passion Paaji ! 💛@@Twenty3Rides
Thank you for this thorough and thoughtful review! Most complete I've seen on the new 400X so far. Now I'm even more interested in a test ride when they become available here in Jan 2024 (California). At ~$7k OTD (600,000 Rupee) it's not quite as great a price for what it is, but still worth a hard look.
It does sound costly at that price. How does it compare to Himalayan 450 prices? If it is equal or more then it is overpriced. If it's less than it, then it's ok price there.
@@Cadambank Good point. I haven't seen the price for the new, updated Himalayan, which looks like a great update. The previous Himalayan was about the same price, maybe a little more than the Triumph, but not by much.
That was a very good review. Thank you very much.
Nice review. Few other things added here are:
Wider handlebar
Brace and that cover on handlebar
Tank pads
Different seat & split
Twin/ split exhaust
Rear view mirrors on the bars
Thanks..
Best review! Cheers from Brazil
Thanks Mate.. 🙂
Best review so far on youtube !! Someone who is telling what the facts are, the positives and negatives both. Great Review !!
What will you say regarding the vibrations.. what is a comfortable crusing speed?
I didnt experience any major vibes.. can easily cruise 110-110.kmph effortless..
@@Twenty3Rides great !! Finally an engine which is delivering good torque across the rpm band.. with good speed. And yes of course, lighter the bike the better it is for touring
Nice review. Very much appreciated. I like to ride it in Ireland.
Thanks..
Great review. Thanks
brilliant and smooth narration
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Really good and thoughtful review and from afar you spoke well to my reservations. If we're lucky triumph will introduce an XE model with better travel suspension & spoked wheels. I'd also like to see a more robust bash plate that also reaches out to cover the exhaust.
Having said that I'm still 90% sure I'll buy one as soon as it reaches the UK in the new year?. What still concerns me is reliability?. As a complete new engine and bike I suspect it'll have some issues even if minor quality control issues that need sorting in the year ahead?. I've been hoping to come across a higher mileage review of the speed 400 to see what issues if any have popped up?. Sadly, though understandably, the few I've found are not done in English as you've done so I'm still none the wiser.
I'm envious that you guys in India have the first chance to throw a leg over, but I was really hoping that meant I knew what I was throwing my hard earned money at before it gets here. Cheers from blighty.
Thank You for taking out time and watching it..
i also hope and XE variant comes.. It will be a big hit world over..
the long term review for 400cc engine will take time and I understand your reservations.. But in flesh.. The build quality is just amazing..
To be fair, I own a 2017 KTM Duke 390...it was the first year of the 2nd generation and I have over 16K miles/26K KM trouble free miles on it and it's also produced in India in conjunction with Bajaj motors.
nice work mate.Great review.
Thanks brother..
Nice video well put together
Thanks .. 🥂
How is it compared to new Himalayan and which one you will choose if only one to be picked?
Well sorted video...... great review 👍👍👍👍!
Thank You for taking out time
Great review. From the info available so far, it is clear that this bike is a soft-roader and competes more closely with the 390 Adventure than the upcoming Himalayan 452.
Considering the fact that the 390 Adventure X is about 17-18k more expensive but has more suspension travel and 8 kg lower weight, it seems to be a better option off the road. Feature set is similar too. However, the Scrambler 400X has the advantage of strong low end torque which is great for more technical sections. Suspension travel is the same as the 390 Duke, though.
The Himalayan 452 seems to be a proper adv bike so it is in a different category altogether. It seems clear that if you want to do some proper off road riding, the Himalayan is the one to get. 21" front rim and long travel suspension are essential for that purpose.
In any case, I would avoid the first batches of the Triumph 400s as well as the upcoming RE 452 platform, considering they are not Japanese bikes.
You have accurately summarised everything here .. Totally agree. 🫡. Better wait now and then take a call in Jan 2024..
Agree about avoiding first batch of non-japanese bikes. ALthough from my exrensive research, Triumph is perhaps the most reliable British brand. So I would be much more vigilant in buying Himalayan first batch, than Triumph. :D
@@sanketjain9320 Most of the engineering was done by Bajaj for this bike and they manufacture it too. If KTM's first Indian batches (also made by Bajaj) are anything to go by, Triumph's first batches should be avoided or at least approached with a great deal of caution. I'm sure the 400s won't have any issue as severe and pervasive as the infamous engine immobilizer one but still. I agree about the Himalayan 452 warranting more vigilance than Triumph, though. RE quality levels are way up from before but they are not perfect yet. In any case, the Triumph 400s do not interest me at all. The Himalayan 452 does because it is an adv bike.
@@twowheeledparadoxwell the certification and pda checks are all done by Triumph and not Bajaj. Going but the reputation of Triumph and their keenness to enter the Indian market. The Triumph is the safest to buy of all three..
@@kirannaidu7209 Given Triumph's poor handling of the infamous engine immobilizer issue that affected bikes like the Street Twin, Thruxton 1200 and one of the Tigers, I would say that Triumph is only a little bit more worthy of trust than RE in the context of early batch bikes. In any case, the Scrambler 400X has the same amount of suspension travel as the 125 to the 390 Dukes. Add high profile tyres and the ground clearance is matched too. So for me it won't be an upgrade for me. The Himalayan clearly has better configuration. Regardless, I wouldn't buy the TR400s from the first batch, same as the Himalayan.
thanks for avaliation !! I m waiting this bike in Brazil to buy this !! is very beautiful !! im waiting this price here to buy !
Cheers Mate !
Hi bro, best review by far, also where are you riding this, the trails looks awesome!!
Thanks .. Bro..
Looking forward to them arriving in the states.
Cheers
Great review,don't know where Ladak is but I I want to go there now ! 😄
Yes.. You definitely should plan..
Very nice thanks for the review baba.
Excellent review. Have you ridden the Royal Enfield Scram, if so, how do the two bikes compare ergonomically ? Given that the Scram will be upgraded to a 452cc engine do you feel it would be a better buy ? Both bikes are likely to be pavement primarily with off-road riding as an option which would you favour ?
At this point in time i feel waiting to see what the RE 452 engines has to offer makes most sense. Launch happens on 31st Oct in India, so its just 7days away..
Superb intro music 👌
Great review. Do you feel annoying vibrations after 105 kmph? Many reviews have said they do. That was my only concern as I would like to cruise at 110-120 without feeling that I'm straining the engine. Look forward to your response
Generally those cruising speeds need higher cc engines but maybe Honda CB 300R may be suit, still not meant for more than 100 kmph..
Hi sir ,i am very confused between Royal enfield himalayan 450 and scrambler
Can you guide me which bike i bought
Thanks for the feedback on the pillion bit. My better half absolutely loves long bike trips, and I was looking to upgrade her experience soon enough.
Also, roosters, cows and old dadu/dadis can come in front of you out of nowhere at any given time. 🤣
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The best overall review! Also, can I get the details of riding boots you are wearing in this video?
Thanks mate.. I am wearing TCX drifter boots..
Great intro for 400x
Thank you ji
Himalayan 450 vs scrambler 400x. City and highway ride, zipping through traffic. Which is the better bike in your opinion?
Your going to see a lot of these very soon. The price of £5k is great. New and and riders will want them.its the perfect second bike if you own a GP race replica. Something to jump on without leathers and boots and go to the shop etc.
Hi. Nice informative video. Great voice clarity. just one basic Q. How do you rate it for daily citi rides?
Its excellent for city rides.. Infact its the best In the segment for comfortable city rides.. and looks like a million dollars..
Beautiful bike!!! As a 50 years old beginner (1,82 cm high with 110kg weight) looking for his first bike, love this scrambler!!! Will do 70% commuting (town, work etc..) and 30% touring... Do you thing that bike can do some light touring? Thanx and regards from far away Serbia :)
Hi there, its a very good bike . I would recommend it for touring but maybe not up there in Serbia.. In that weather you might want something that protects you from the windblast. And no matter what wind screen you addon, it will never be able to protect you at 6’2”. Thats my only concern. Otherwise engine and riding position is just perfect for touring. Great to see the video reach Serbia.. Big Novak fan here.. 😊
@@Twenty3Rides Thank you for your reply man, maybe to wait also to see the new Himalayan 450 for our European weather :). All new bikes are coming late in our country, this Triumph and RE will arrive here beginning of 2024... So I have time. To be honest, my first choice is the cb500x from Honda, but this Triumph scrambler is also a beauty :). Btw, Novak is the really best tennis player :)
@@Motoristika if you are eyeing CB500X then you wont go wrong with it..... thats a tried & tested reliable machine....
What the actual ****! For the first time, I got to see this motorcycle from the designers perspective. The lighting from 6:36 to 8:17 hits with all the right angles and the grab rail and pillion seat looks like a hornet's tail
excellent review. comprehensive. how about the NVH levels?? At what speed/ rpm and how badly does the buzz start?
Nothing to worry about before 120kmph.. Keep your expectations in check , its a single cylinder after all..
Ha ha.. That's true
Super good review! I would like to know what is your feeling for street driving, does it make a good job?
Absolutely fantastic for street riding. the best compared to KTM adv 390 and Himalayan 450. Checkout may detailed comparison of these 3 machines that i posted yesterday.
Good review. I was set to reserve a new Scrambler 400 X until I was given the OTD price.
The price quote I received is as follows:
Nearest dealership starting price is $5,995. (The price on Triumph website is $5,595. Price already increased)
Freight: $1,200.
Set Up: $500.
PDI: $300.
Plus taxes and fees.
Total price is $8,752.66.
I was looking forward to adding another Triumph to my collection. Sad to say I will pass on the Scrambler 400 X.
Find another dealer. I reserved one in Richmond VA for $5600 plus 530 freight and 400 setup.
@@Tmagri4 Set up is b.s., if you've ever seen it done. They take it out of the box. Put the mirrors on it. Put some gas in it. Uh, maybe charge the battery. Done. LOL. Takes maybe a 1/2 hour, max. BTW, I've heard the manufacturers pay the dealers a stipend to take the bike out of the crate, so the dealer is really getting paid twice. There's a dealer around here that sells Honda, Harley, KTM, and Yamaha and they charge -0- for set up, as it should be.
I love the speedo instrument cluster, the rest look like a video game console..
If it didn't have one of those gaudy AF gold forks it'd be beautiful. It looks like an Oscar Award next to a bowling trophy.
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Thanks bro. How would you compare it with upcmoing 450 Himalayan?
From what we have seen so far , Himalyan looks very promising, but quality and service issue always have been there with RE, thats what has me concerned.
The triumph scrambler is too notch quality , fit and finish plus the added peace of mind with 5 yr extended warranty included is so cool..
RE will have to come up with a flawless product to beat this..
Should i upgrade from my adv 250 to scrambler 400x my concern is not abt the top speed but the comfort and feel of riding an motorcycle which little bit am missing on my adv 250?
By the way best review video i saw on the internet all the main points are coverd ❤
Thank You 🙏.
I feel this has all it takes to be the allrounder motorcycle that anyone would need. While Himalayan 450 is in everyones mind.. But this anyday will have better build quality than RE..
and dont forget 16,000km service interval..
Regarding adv250.. This is a much relaxed machine.. No need to revv it unnecessarily.. Ride slow and fast .. Both with ease.. and offcourse premium big bike feel is also there..
Great bike that looks very cool. It may be a bit quicker than the 390 but the KTM gives you way more bike for the $$$
Where were you riding brother... Which road
Since you owned Triumph big bikes, can you touch on how your ownership experience has been specifically around the bike's reliability and how it ages? If you've had to reachout to Triumph directly for any issue, that experience would also be greatly appreciated.
For me Delhi NCR it has been OK. I have owners the tiger 800 and now 900. For such machines parts availability is always an issue and involves a wait time , be it any brand .. Customer experience wise it has been absolutely fine for me ..
@@Twenty3Rides Yeah but parts availability becomes less of an issue if the bike is ultra reliable.
Can you confirm if this bashplate and grabhandle will be available as stock? On website normal one is shown
Yes its stock.. On Bike.
Not an off-road fan, is it that good for touring (considering speed , stability, handling & breaks) as compared to the competition like upcoming RE Himalayas 452 on touring point of view.
Will have to wait for 3 more days to see what Himalayan has to offer
What About vibrations on the bike??
Great review, fantastic bike.
I want one.
I agree .. Its a looker and wonderful to ride especially at the price point it comes at.
I'm from the UK and don't ride off road. The suspension travel is fine, the coolant tank not a problem (although it would be better placed elsewhere), I like the cast wheels with tubeless tyres and the instrumentation looks good for this price. My only dislike is that the bike does not have a centre stand. 👍
I agree.. Bit should be available soon as a third party accessory.. its so good for touring if you can deal with the wind blast or are used to riding naked bikes..
I will be travelling 70% in city and 30% outside city for long drive. Which bike i should choose choose 400 or scrambler 400x ? Or i should waut for RE 452?
If i were you, i would have gone for X
Will Triumph offer a Tiger 400 next to satisfy your desire for a more adventure oriented bike? I think so. You will get your more off-road oriented bike when they do. I suspect it will include spoked wheels, longer/better suspension, a bigger fuel tank, a more comfortable saddle, and factory luggage options. That being said, I’m not sure you were fair in your review of the scrambler. Scramblers have never been great off-road, and they are used almost exclusively on roads. However, a proper ADV will have much more of a dual-sport skill set, but it will come at the cost of seat height and appearance. The scrambler is beautiful. I do not think the Tiger 400 can achieve that level of aesthetics and still have the range and function that is desired.
Even so, I’m not going to buy anything in the Triumph 400 range until I’m convinced all of the models that will ultimately be in the platform are in the lineup.
Good review Jasween bhai
Thanks bro..
The bike is classy compared to the j models and seems to be a good enough balance for casual off road and street.
I have few query
During rainy season won’t this bike back splash the mud on us
Any accessories like tyre hugger is required ?
Is pillion ok for women particularly? Or family man supposed to skip this vehicle
The pillion seat is very good.. Felt very comfortable. I would suggest adding a too box to make it even more comfortable.
Not sure of splashing thing, but after market accessories will soon be available.
@@Twenty3Rides I yet to test drive this bike bro
This bike is not available in my city
But I am worried about whether it high speed performance in risk manner and like KTM
I did hd440 test drive and I like it slow pace and handling
Will test drive this and book between one of the bike
Scrambler or hd440
Very good review❤
Glad you liked it
I am 173cm in height. Will it be a good purchase for me? Actually I had my test drive for this one and speed 400 also. And I am tip-toeing a bit. Especially taking U turns was a task. But I am still confused which one to buy. Scrambler is all good for me only its height is an issue. Speed 400 is good for height but I think lags a bit behind than scrmabler about some features? What would u suggest?
With some practice Scrambler will be manageable since its not a heavy machine. If you can get used to its seat height and develop some offroad skill, it will be worthy enough .
@@Twenty3Rides Okay, thank you for your suggestions and for a good review as well.😊
Bhai can u compare this with 452 Himalayan..
Sir I am 6 ft tall..and going to buy a new bike....plz suggest me between ktm 390 adv & triumph scrambler 400x....which one is the best...
I would have gone for Scrambler for its better riding geometry.. It suits a 6ft guy.. Talking from personal experience of both.. i would also say ride both of them..
The placement of the coolant tank is very weirdly placed, and that can be a real issue.
Yes.. Dont know why they did that..
5 4" and do lot of long rides. Need to see how confident I feel on this seat.
Yes.. Plz do.. Seat height may be an issue.. Test ride at a showroom near you..
5.4 😂😂😂 same here 😂😂😂😂
@@sir_prize_ma_the_farcar4547 I took a test ride today. I could flat foot on one side. Tip toe on both. I felt easily manageable.
i will invest in this machine
Sir I don’t off-road. Will this bike be good for hardcore long distance touring?
Can be .. But look at Himalayan..
It's like listening to Kupropoli do a bike review
Is there any wobbling issues on the handles ?
No ..not at all.. Felt very good while riding.. near perfection
The speed the throttle has a lot of space then power comes suddenly is the throttle that way hear also.
I don’t feel any such issue on this.. very linear power delivery, not a snatching throttle
I am confused between scrambler 400 vs Cb350rs. Any tips pls?
Get Scrambler.. Much more enjoyable machine.
hi would you recommend Triumph Scrambler 400 instead of KTM390 Adventure Standard variant if price is not the criteria..?
Which boots are you using in this video?
Tcx Drifter adv boots
As you rightly concluded … it would be foolish to consider going for the motorcycle without checking out what the new Himalayan 450 has to offer !
However I do have two questions for you regarding this scrambler 400x:
1: how does this bike compare in size to other bikes? I mean which bike would you compare it with in terms of its size.
2: Does this mini triumph give a big feeling or is it a triumph only for namesake ?
Thanks
This one gives a big bike feeling and exuded amazing quality , fit and finish.. It is big enough .. even for tall riders.
I would not want to try any off-road it with that bike, the tyres are not suitable for a start. I prefer to wait for the RE 450.
Surya kumar yadav look alike,😅 review is about what everyone wants to know. But did you answer if is better than 390 adv? Thank you
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Murgey agaye beech Mei 🤣 Fist snakes, now chickens!! 🤣
Ek baar billi ke chaakar main haath toot bhi chuka hai.. 😂
Where were you riding this bike? The trail is looking beautiful
Outskirts of Pune
I don't understand why reviewers challenge automotive engg with their comments : fan kicking in too fast or the heat coming from the engine . They did this to yezdi scrambler and now this one . Scramblers are different motorcycles and not all motorcycles give you everything
400x or New Himalayan… which one i have to choose if my commute is main priority - 60% and highway and off road - 40%
Video uploading on this topic .. In next 2 hrs.
@@Twenty3Rides Lovely
The title of the video made me belive there would be a comparison to adv 399, but i was wrong.
Sir please compare the Harley 440x and Triump scrambler 400x
Sir please
Both are different machines. if i were to out in money, i would go for the Triumph 440x just becoz of the way it looks. From a ride standpoint both are very different..
Can I remove the knuckle guard ?
Yes
I did my ladakh trip from Ahmedabad on my Avenger 160
Congrats
The suspension travel in front is 130mm and rear its 140mm on speed and on scrambler they have increased to 150mm front and rear is what you said, so ideally they have increased 20mm in front and 10mm at rear. And what you advised 20mm should have been increased in front which is actually the case, do you still think they should have increased it more by 10mm?
I meant .. Front and rear se suspension travel should have been 180 and 170 respectively.. To make off-road riding more comfortable.. Right now it feels harsh on offroad.. I guess triumph wanted better handling and city ride ..
Arey Murga hi to chahiye tha, 2-3 lekar aane thhe 😛😛. Love the review though, honestly!
Thanks brother.. 😃
As far as i know this bike is not an off roader which you have been mentioning multiple times. You may do some mild off roading stuff. This is a scrambler bike which can take on bad roads but not off roading
Thats absolutely correct
Waiting for RE 452
Yes everyone is..
Three areas that the KTM win are the windscreen, the TFT display, and riding modes.
I totally agree..
See the under seat gap how its aesthetically done
I totally agree
What is your inside leg measurement?
whoa..don't make it weird !
Why are all the reviews from India ? Don’t see any reviews from USA
Its a bike made in india.. New 400cc engine .. They are trying to build multiple bikes in to operate in a relatively low priced segment..
$6 122,24 in Philippines