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Note that the frostburn break got nerf because of the anomaly/disorder frost damage changes they made. You can find the exact buffs on the r/miyabimains. It is not 100% official but still significant.
You can't just show a character chasing away a giant flower boss in one single ult and then go "oh, she's only as powerful as everyone else cause we balanced it". She is suppose to be built super powerful, and that's why people are upset.
@@kiyomikulol it's still a game that players play to challenge themselves. You're doomposting over balancing which is unnecessary. If every character was lore accurate in every series, then those games would be super unbalanced and would be no fun to play. I mean she has her own unique element and it's not enough for you guys lmao
kokomi xd. char that could only fit in morgana teams on release and its wasnt even upgrade at all. just wait 2 years until char could find his niche loooooool
@@kiyomiku if every character would be as strong as they would seem in the story ghen there is no reason to pull for some of them, while some would be broken others would have to deal negative damage to be story accurate
Might do exactly that. Not because miyabi is "weak" (she isn't) but because she needs yanagi (skip) and 99% because she doesn't work with lighter. Thé fact that I could do lighter lycaon Ellen (no it's not méta, I want both m'y man in one team) and not miyabi lighter flex is thé selling point for Ellen vs miyabi
Theyre trying so hard to sell yanagi for miyabi that they've wrapped around to people getting yanagi and realizing they dont even fucking need miyabi so now those people who follow the leaks and shit are probably just skipping Miyabi because Yanagi works fine on her own but Miyabi is the one out here with a restrictive ass kit. This feels like the same situation with Kafka and Black Swan where Kafka NEEDS Black Swan but BS does NOT need Kafka.
Kafka and black swan had four star options. Both black swan and kafka benefit being a top tier team together To kafka black swan is the strongest application of dot to black swan kafka forwards dot the best. Difference is both had alternative teams both were spaced far from each other excluding reruns. Miyabi is reliant on disorder no other character has a passive that allows disorder to be consistent. Yanagi is also reliant on disorder but her kit allows her to disorders easily.
ZZZ makes a habit of coming out with a busted unit and then nerfing them until release. Yanagi and Jane had the same "problem" now look at them So I'm not worried at all lmao
I'm not super crazy for Miyabi but this still a painful sight to witness as the hyped for her are now slowly decreasing as the balancing for her just hurting us as much it will hurt her as a future powerhouse. As for the team option im set since i got Yanagi myself. But still for the rest of the F2P guys with bad luck it's quite the torture
@GothamThotSlayer Nah I just felt bad for the others who's waiting her for so long just to see her get nerfs after nerfs. While it is good to balance her out, I don't think you need Yanagi like she's going to break the meta too much.
@@M_night69420yeah but you don't want her to focus on anomaly build up anyways. Her main focus will be crit damage. Thats why she will pair up with support instead of anamoly. I'm skipping Yanagi anyway and hope I get M6 Soukaku with Miyabi
they are not even out yet, its always the same thing, a character recieve some kinda of Nerf and everyone think ITS the end of the world, but then they came out as broken, just like yanagi, relax bro
@@morichiiii Bro stop gaslighting. People are not losing interest in miyabi because she is getting nerfed. People are losing interest in miyabi because Mihoyo is making the character as unattractive to pull as possible for f2p. After all, you need yanagi or miyabi is useless for your account and not only that, you need Miyabi's W-engine on top of that or you lose out on 50% of her damage making her useless. You need her M2 to get the hypercarry that was hyped. This is basically Archeon from honkai star rail all over again so why bother when players can wait for another Feixiao?
@MarkFin9423 and? even if you loose dmg bc you dont have her W-enginee she'd still being one of the most broken agents, just like acheron was in the 2.1-2.5, and what is that logic? the meta is always changing If you dont pull a character bc theres a possibility that in the Future a stonger one will be release, smt that eventually will happen, you'd never play the game and never pull anyone, bro you just want to shit in the character and its okay, see someone as hyped as miyabi start with crazy numbers and end with relatively smaller ones is kinda shock, but remember the same happened with yanagi and shes where she sorry for the long answer 😭
i skipped yanagi to get lighter assuming he would do well with miyabi aside from being part of my soldier 11 team and hearing about miyabi needing yanagi is kinda painful. Really hope she is good without needing top tier characters to make her work.
People getting mad at the devs for a character that hasn't even come out of beta yet is actually hilarious 😂 - This happens every single patch before release. You make a character over tuned and then incrementally decrease their values to a healthy state before release. Especially because Hoyo doesn't really buff or nerf characters so they make them as balanced as they can at release. You complainers really wanted Miyabi to do millions of damage and sh*t on all other DPS units in the game so badly 😂 - "I can't believe they nerfed her *7000%* atk scaling on her ultimate! She's so bad now and it's killing my hype!" LMAO, no it's called balance and appropriate game development. Miyabi will be fine.
@@iflgames3245 okay so? She can hyper carry with Soukaku ice buff/anomaly build up and still disorder with ice too. Also if that's the case then just change your disc set. She's meant for high crit damage anyways. Frostburn anomaly is just a bonus. The rest just comes down to skill
Miyabi combat animation is so peak and I was going to pull for her despite having a really solid Ice team but with each nerf I get less and less exited and now I actually think I'll just skip her because she's just not worth it for me. I don't plan to pull for Yanagi and it really does seem like Miyabi will be good with anyone but Yanagi
Thanks for the video. 👍 I unfortunately don't have fun playing with Yanagi, so I don't pull her, but I have Burnice and Lucy M6W5 to possibly go with Miyabi. But I think I'll wait until we have info on 1.5 before pulling, unless of course I like her gameplay. ❤
Honestly i think as always characters end up with new better teams with the released characters like when jane doe released we played her with seth and a flex like grace but then we put Cesar and then burnice. Here i feel like the support is going to help a lot and someone from her faction is gonna be anomaly something and synergies with her. Its a lot of coping but if they're willing to sell characters for miyabi it makes more sense than selling yanagi in her next rerun
While y'all are doomposting Miyabi, remember that Yanagi and Jane were nerfed to the ground before release, and they're still some of the best DPS in the game when they're actually released. Y'all are overreacting so much that it's becoming a sitcom at this point. Anyways, anyone want some popcorn? 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
I really hate the nerf part on the frostburn. Since Frostburn is going to be her main dps, and they nerfed it from 2000℅ to 1500℅, Hoyo never fail to kill the hype for characters in their games.
@revo5124 well if with 1500℅ and her damage is still op, then yeah its fine. No one knows the multiplier for her damage with 1500℅ so yeah i called it nerf
@nagiba8645 and the dipshits acting like it doesn't get benefits from all stats so : atk%/ap/pen%/cr/CD. There's a reason it's half of yanagis scale. And it's charged via disorders, so stupid amount of dmg to change even more stupid dmg. I swear the new generation of gamers is utterly clueless about basic arithmetic.
They are newbie team but working under genshin team and producer. However Hsr and Hi3 is on another team. Which make me worry that some day ZZZ might turn into stupid casual game like genshin.
@@cawashka IF you have her weapon her m2 and yanagi and an upcoming mystery support, she looks great. I call that a raw deal and a very high maintenance lady. I like ubiquitous / flexible characters. I think they caught on that a lot of people have been saving 500 pulls for her and are intent on purging them savings.
I have not other ice agent other than soukaku and also have no other stun agent other than anby and i really want lighter so I hope I get him early pull and save the rest for miyabi
Miyabi enhanced basic atk still stronger than Ellen ultimate. Miyabi Disorder also stronger than Jane. They should at least nerf Miyabi 10 more times to make her balance.
Lmfao thank you!! People here are doomposting saying she's worthless which is insane because her stats are stupid stacked. And she will even have more value being paired with support instead of anamoly
Seriously hope the CN community complains enough to at least revert some of this but it all seems very unnecessary. We'll have to wait for release because when a flagship character is received poorly they actually try to buff post release but hoyo can be super stubborn sometimes.
From the title alone, I say yes. This game isn't hard and it really gives you freedom to play what you want. I never use the recommended Anomaly teams and Shiyu is always pretty easy to S rank. Examples would be using Lucy with Jane and Caesar or Yanagi with Rina and Seth. I just don't like using 2 DPS in one team and it's never needed anyway. I'm training my Soukaku to pair with Miyabi right now and I know it'll be perfectly fine, clearing "Hard" content at 4 minutes instead of 2 minutes has honestly never bothered me.
Yepp. I don't know why he's trying to sell the idea that she's being nerfed when this is just the devs balancing her out the same way they did with Yanagi lol
@@GothamThotSlayer Lol mate, he does it to get view and subs. At the end of the day he still knows what he's talking about if you watch his Twitch streams. And I mean they did nerf her a little bit but they also buffed her a lot, mainly changed the way you need to play her. She still is gonna be crazy strong.
I was thinking the insane motion value buffs from last version were too good to be true. But the shift from A mastery to A proficiency really is sketchy to me since from what I understand, her frostburn break is supposed to scale off typical crit values.
Damn those damage nerfs, to her ult specifically like sure it probably was dumb strong and there still is like a 700% dmg mv difference between her and zhu yuan, but i wanted a 2000% difference. :(
My issue is that I wanted to build a strong team for Miyabi and I am ok with waiting until we get information on the new support but for me there’s no way to tell what will end up being miyabis best team in the future because I was assuming it was going to be miyabi new support and a stunner but then someone brought it to my attention because of how strong miyabis synergy is with Yanagi that the best team could be miyabi Yanagi and the support which puts me in a thought situation because Yanagi is Gone in less than 34 hours and I have no way of knowing how important she will be for miyabi long term
I had the same situation in patch 1.2. I was going to skip burnice but was sold by others that she would be yanagis bis team comp. As a yanagi enjoyer I pulled for burnice and got lucky. Now I have M2R1 Yanagi with current bis burnice. Imma pull miyabi still tho. F2p btw
Yeah everyone is in the same mindset but i think the faction of the support can have an anomaly unit as well that synergies with her too tbh (if they want to sell their units like burnice for jane doe). Yanagi is a no no for me (too much field time for a gameplay I hate, and I wanna save for upcoming characters more) and it might not be her best option but honestly it will still clear the endgame no doubt.
This game makes it clear from day 1 that it focuses heavily on FACTION SYNERGY, ofc agents within the same faction are gonna be their best in slots, to think otherwise is simply a you problem. If you want to wait for agents from other factions for specific teams that is perfectly fine but what annoys me the most is when people have the nerve to act surprise that a character from the same faction work well together?!?!?!? NOOOO WAAAYYYYYY 😱 ofc yanagi was gonna work well with miyabi how can you think that she wouldnt?
If you can pull Yanagi then go for it.. the reason why other players not pulling for Yanagi is due to resource management like mine, If I will exhaust my resources on Yanagi then I will ruin my chances to get Miyabi and her Wengine.. But for you it seems it’s not a problem.. Yanagi is one of the strongest dps currently in the game and just like Jane, she is fine on her own even if the real bis for Miyabi comes from next patches..
I feel that Burnice will do just as well as Yanagi or just slightly worse. She has much lower fieldtime and faster annomally application. Her ult lets swap to Miyabi too mid animation. Prob same will go for future anomaly chars, they will balance them out, coz they want to sell them.
I cant follow the updates on unreleased characters because the emotional damage of seeing things get changed is too much. Miyabi is my waifu so I’m pulling her no matter what, I hope she’s still a good agent, and honesty let’s kill the hype a bit as it is all the whales are going to be running around with their M6 Miyabis making me feel bad.
Ignore them. These same cry babies said the same when Yanagi got nerfed when it was just Hoyo doing usual balancing. And now every ZZZ YTuber is saying how broken Yanagi is. I didn't even pull for her cuz I'm saving for Miyabi and hopefully will get Lycaon cuz I'm close to my 300 pull so that I can have my solid ice team: Lycaon, Miyabi, Soukaku
Well pretty much dps reduce by 50% overall ... they really like to nerf hard in last version . This and fugue in hsr they really like not to sell those sweet characters ! Hell we need a shit ton of premium unit just for 1 unit every single time . Hope miyabi will still top tier at her release .
For those wondering "do i need to pull yanagi too?" Your miyabi team would be less useful without miyabi in it. All in miyabi (rate on/200 pulls and counting)
Could lighter, lucy miyabi be a team? Would that make lighters passive viable or no, if you build both lucy and lighter with anonaly proficiency then could they together act as buffer and disorder proc?
@@aquasis995 Issue is they are pinching Miyabi for sales so hard I doubt many people will pull for her. If a character requires massive investment to make the character viable (Miyabi's W-engine+Miyabi+Yanagi) then why bother? It's much more practical at that point to wait for a future character that outperforms her at a lower investment.
@@MarkFin9423that's like basically every future character. Why not just pull for who you want? Everybody in the comments are just doom posting over here
So i suck at numbers. Pls, like im stupid. Can someone explain what has happened to Miyabi here. Can she, bottom line, still be built mono ice with soukaku and lycaon?
You're fine. You don't need to depend on disorder for Miyabi when her crit rate/dmg will be very high. The anamoly is just bonus damage which she STILL can do since she disorder with any element in the game. Including ice.
@@GothamThotSlayerThank you for answering. I was worried and just wanted to know. Cause as much as i want her, i cant justify yanagi and lighter both. So thanks, i was worried.
To be fair i dont think those nerfs are that huge, imo if they nerfed the ammount of dmg and anomaly build up its because she was overperforming every other unit so much it doesnt make sense... A bit of nerfing wont damage her and in that way the in game balance maintains in a good spot, plus the core isnt nerfed in fact that allowed her to have a support to boost her dmg even more plus we can nearly say for sure that the changes to her core means the next S rank support will be probably made for her... In the end if you wanted to pull her from the start then pull for her as she will outperform every other unit right now even with the nerfs, if you dont wanted to then just skip her, she will have a rerun sooner or later if you change your mind...
But something I don't really understand, at least with my current knowledge of Miyabi's kit. Isn't Miyabi suppose to be an on-field anomaly dps which is the same as yanagi, won't that just make the team comp of yanagi, miyabi, (future support?), a little off since you'd have 2 on field dps
@kirinrias6912 so for that instance on the field she does massive dmg, apply some buffs and stacks and during for example no energy smtg like that just switch back to yanagi?
@@darren0802 something like that, as far as I understand she plays in such a way that she deals a lot of damage in a short time with a downtime afterwards. But for that she needs stacks which can be built up by herself but also by others like Yanagi. So you can play her as a "main DPS" but it is more effective to use someone else to build up the stacks for her. But I have to say that I only followed the whole thing a little bit in passing, so I'm not 100% sure if that's true.
It depends. It's probably better if you do Miyabi, Burnice, and Lucy since Miyabi can pair with any support. She's still has a lot of worth plus you have a chance to get M6 Soukaku as well. Yanagi, Miyabi, and Soukaku will most likely be the BEST team but they have to share field time together for constant disorders. If you wanna MAIN Miyabi, then Yanagi is not NEEDED for your team. Miyabi wants support to heighten her attack damage since she will come with high crit rate/dmg as her base stats. Yanagi is honestly just bait
Please forgive me if this a stupid take but why is no one talking about soukaku? I don't get it? She's a support so she works with miyabis passive and she buffs ice damage so why is no one talking about her? Does she not work with miyabi or something? I'm genuinely confused...
No she definitely does. Most people who are crying are those who are finding excuses to whale for her M2 and beyond. Most average players don't have that kind of money to spend unless you're just insanely lucky. Lol there's a reason why Hoyo put Soukaku on her banner so that you could possibly get her M6. She's an amazing support for her but people are too busy crying about Miyabi not being able to "hypercarry" 🙄
People dislike her mainly because she's "too slow" their words not mine. By that I mean her buff of flying the flag takes to long to apply versus someone like lucy or Nicole you swap in and be done with it. Because its a long animation, it usually results in soukaku being hit. But being honest that doesn't really matter for a "casual" playee just does who want to min max for optimal times and rotations.
Soukaku should work well with her, yeah. Miyabi’s absolute best team will probably be Her, Yanagi and Soukaku/Rina/Burnice. Due to the ice buffs Soukaku may be the best for maximising Miyabi’s personal damage.
Depends. Miyabi can disorder with any element in the game and will have higher crit damage that might even scale more than Zhu Yuan. She's great for an ice team with Lycaon & Soukaku. But you technically don't "need" her if you have Ellen. She's more amazing with Yanagi though so it's up to you
this comment section makes me worry about the future, even in HI3 they will make the character so OP and its not even joke at V1, like 25% damage increase from previous DPS, then on the V2 they will nerf it to 8 - 12%, then adjustment on V3 like some clunky mechanic and restriction. so take this beta just to show how the character works, not the overall performance.
No. You don't need Yanagi. Miyabi wants support so Soukaku is a great substitute. You'll have a chance to even get Soukaku's M6 as well. Miyabi needs good support and if you have a Lycaon as a stunner then that's even better. Hoyo wants you to invest using a solid support unit because Miyabi will be built with HIGH CRIT RATE/DMG. Anamoly is just a bonus since her unique element can disorder with any other element in the game
Yanagi is only great cuz both her and Miyabi can share field time for constant disorders but to maximize that dmg, you'll NEED support like Soukaku regardless
Ngl my hype for her is dying down with these changes, it's not even the damage nerfs since they usually release very balanced characters (Yanagi was heavily nerfed throughout beta but on release she slaps) It's just the stupid restrictivness with additional abilities where they funnel you into a certain team, it's extremely consumer unfriendly (Hoyo are greedy scum so no surprise really) and honestly kills any type of team build experimentation, you are shoehorned into a certain team/playstyle and you either conform or fuck off. While i love ZZZ for it's art/design and overall gameplay loop, i much prefer Kuro Games and WuWa as developers and a game. In WuWa every new character released just opens up new team options and you can experiment all you want, there are optimal teams in WuWA as well but sub optimal team won't be completely worthless, usually difference in damage potential between optimal and sub optimal is like 100% and 75-80%, while in ZZZ feels like it's much worse. Only saving grace in all this is that Shiyu is relatively easy to S rank, and the only actually min-max game mode (tower) doesn't reward anything other than prestige after level 25 🤷♂
Those same people who always beg Miyabi to break the game while complaining about powercreep are so annoying. Miyabi's multipliers are still insane compare to others, they should have nerf her more
My main concern is i want to main her it's pointless if i have to use yanagi. And burnice doesnt work since i dont want to run yanagi on mono electric so this is sound bleh.
This is bait. All my limited S banners are M0 and i can still sweep endgame content. M0 Miyabi and her W-engine is all i need. Can't afford to whale like the rest of you. Because I'm gonna still have fun with the character regardless which is the whole point. Also, Yanagi was nerfed even worse before launch and now she's like the strongest unit in the game. I think yall are being overly dramatic for no reason tbh
I just saw a showcase in shiyu def, and even with the shiyu buff, she looked pretty mid. Like nothing out of the ordinary. Not to mention her ult did no damage😂😂😂 The team was with Lucy and Burnice and she was M0W1. Still, she killed the 7 mil new monster in 1 min and a few seconds but it looked pretty meh, to me.
The game for me is in this awkward state where it's too easy because the later agents just do too much damage for the game to be of any challenge or fun. Seriously, Yanagi is super cracked and it makes even tower easy. But more than that, build some good discs. A good disc set is a free M1 or M2 in terms of damage. Personally in a game as easy as this where characters do too much damage, there's no reason to pull for dupes. Just spend more time routine cleanup.
I see the Genshin doomposting disease is starting to spread on ZZZ... Resist the urges of being a salty hater guys! We are supposed the be a chilling community 😌. Or yall want your ZZZ content videos to be filled with hate and toxicity like Genshin ones? I play both games btw, and I like to vibe on ZZZ videos 👌
I pull because the animation hanabi has power creep every character in this game 😭 And i agree to nerf his multiplayer because wtf that nultiplayer bro ☠️
Actually no. You can use Soukaku. Even better, you can get lucky and max out M6 Soukaku with her 5 star Wengine and play really well with Miyabi(and Lycaon too). Yanagi is bait. You technically "don't" need her. The only character who still has great future value and potential is Caesar.
I'm torn ... I'm sad because her animation ate really cool and she seems fun to play but... She has no synergie with lighter (why hoyo why did you kill my man kit fir NOTHING) and lighter is my main target of ALL zzz (I'm not blind hoyo stop making husbando except in hsr...) so.... I might try everything to pull him and be broke... As she again has nothing to work with him...
Maybe, but it is drastically better to play her as hypercarry with m2. Without it, she is more of a burst nuker with her stack accumulation off mostly disorders.
@@Miwhedrastically better doesn't mean that's the best way to play. Most people like teams. That's why Soukaku is on her banner. M6 Soukaku will make up for those having M0 Miyabi with her signature weapon. All of my limited S ranks are M0 and I still clear endgame content like it's nothing. And it's more fun/challenging too
Something tells me regardless of the ridiculous nature of Yanagi’s damage potential .. she didn’t sell too well.. leave it to Hoyo to make a change like anomaly to support for team 🤦 just to make more money 😅
@@mcoupe69i disagree with that. You would have to share field time with Yanagi to proc disorder. I rather have a solid stunner and support to give Miyabi the field time she deserves. Yanagi is her best teammate but I don't NEED her. Especially if I have Lucy and Burnice as well
All I can say is she's fine. They're just balancing her ig. Take Yanagi herself as an example she was very OP when she was first introduced but received massive nerfs 3x but look at how monstrous she was. Imagine how OP pre-nerf Nagi was and i believe Miyabi's case was the same. Miyabi lovers were upset bc Miyabi now was not the Miyabi they wanted to be and they can't accept that fact. All the hype, drama and waiting and they'll receive a Miyabi like that? And the other downside was she's not really f2p friendly. She's too premium team comp and solo wise. She really needs M2 and her sigW to shine. Well that's within the meta if you just really love Miyabi you can pair her with whoever you want and make her use fusion comp then enjoy her gameplay.
@@munizo-_- based on what I've seen as of now, she really is. Dmg, moveset and skill animations, it's all Miyabi. But she's not out yet so we can't really say now, tho it's common sense that they must make her stronger than Ellen bc if not no one will want her tbh. They're be stupid if Ellen tops Miyabi after her release.
@@nagichwaan Hey, I don’t wanna pull for Miyabi and I don’t wanna depend on characters I don’t like to play with her, would the team Ellen, Qingyi and Miyabi be at least an useable team? (I don’t remember if Miyabi additional abilities works with any other ice character like some other characters and their attributes)
Watch them do this to bait people into pulling Yanagi in this last days and then by the end of beta giga buff Miyabi back again It will honestly be a power move
@mr.contreras2639 it's fine. Remember what happened to Nagi when she was first drip marketed? She's super op to the point that devs didn't hold back nerfing her 3x and that's big nerfs but look at her now, despite all the nerfs she's still a monster. They're just balancing Miyabi no need to worry about her. I just really hope the devs make Miyabi a f2p friendly even a little bit. She's too premium as of now. Needs her wengine, needs M2 and needs Nagi to really shine. I mean, she's strong without her wengine and Nagi but almost 50% of her dmg will be gone. Devs must at least give her a f2p team and an A rank wengine that suits her.
For players that complain about Miyabi nerf, they don't know that due to decibels changes from shared ultimate to individual ultimate, Miyabi is the highest decibels producer. Meaning she needs to be nerf otherwise she produces decibels too fast that you can basically ultimate non stop every 10s😅 (including using teammate ultimate). Leak-The one you should look out for is the new support character that love singing which increase decibels generation, definitely meant for Miyabi. The 1st S rank M6 support is more op than Miyabi in a sense that she turn teammate from great to op, just imagine Zhu Yuan or Miyabi can cast 3 times ultimate consecutively. Fastest Decibels generation will be the new meta.
Even with the very bad nerf but i am like zoro if i see someone using katana i roll even better if i see with katana and also a woman i roll even harder 😂😂😂
No matter how many nerf miyabi get and hoyoverse keep trying to force me to pull yanagi for miyabi i'm not pulling yanagi, i make miyabi strong without yanagi
I'm glad that they changed her passive. Why would I want to run yanagi with Miyabi. They'd just compete for field time. I'm better off doing miyabi, piper and soukaku.
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Its worth noting that Miyabis disc set also got buffed. 2pc gives 16% Crit Damage and 4pc gives 12% Crit Rate and 30% Crit Damage.
Not a buff since its overall less damage than previous. TC said its better for low investment, though
where this info came from? any link? I cant see this on zzz leaks in reddit..
Note that the frostburn break got nerf because of the anomaly/disorder frost damage changes they made. You can find the exact buffs on the r/miyabimains. It is not 100% official but still significant.
Even if she heals the enemy ill pull for her
Same
the doomposting in comments is crazy
They do this with every character, it’s hella annoying
Good, that's what gets the characters buffed to keep the players happy and buying
for real, as if she doesn't have nukes on nukes on her kit already
True, They act like Miyabi Without Yanagi will take like 10 minutes to clear SD7 Lmao
Its all strategy. They know if they are ok with the changes hoyo will nerf more so they have to doompost so hoyo wont catch on.
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People are so overdramatic omg 😭. This reminds of rappa, mualani, kokomi, yanagi itself... y'all its called balancing the characters ._.
The level of doom posting for SO many characters is insane lol. The ones you listed and so many more
You can't just show a character chasing away a giant flower boss in one single ult and then go "oh, she's only as powerful as everyone else cause we balanced it". She is suppose to be built super powerful, and that's why people are upset.
@@kiyomikulol it's still a game that players play to challenge themselves. You're doomposting over balancing which is unnecessary. If every character was lore accurate in every series, then those games would be super unbalanced and would be no fun to play. I mean she has her own unique element and it's not enough for you guys lmao
kokomi xd. char that could only fit in morgana teams on release and its wasnt even upgrade at all. just wait 2 years until char could find his niche loooooool
@@kiyomiku if every character would be as strong as they would seem in the story ghen there is no reason to pull for some of them, while some would be broken others would have to deal negative damage to be story accurate
might just go for Ellen rerun and save my free pulls for others cause shes looking less and less like something I'd want
I also wanna get ellen, cos my anomali team is enouf. I have burnice rina and m1 yanagi. And get lycaon on my 300x pulls from standard banner😊
Might do exactly that. Not because miyabi is "weak" (she isn't) but because she needs yanagi (skip) and 99% because she doesn't work with lighter.
Thé fact that I could do lighter lycaon Ellen (no it's not méta, I want both m'y man in one team) and not miyabi lighter flex is thé selling point for Ellen vs miyabi
Theyre trying so hard to sell yanagi for miyabi that they've wrapped around to people getting yanagi and realizing they dont even fucking need miyabi so now those people who follow the leaks and shit are probably just skipping Miyabi because Yanagi works fine on her own but Miyabi is the one out here with a restrictive ass kit. This feels like the same situation with Kafka and Black Swan where Kafka NEEDS Black Swan but BS does NOT need Kafka.
Ya not sure why they are making her so limited. Like Yanagi can work fine without Miyabi. But not the other way around. Killing the hype for her.
Ik that really pisses me off I hope they change this and just let miyabi be capable on her own it’s so annoying
Miyabi can be paired with burnice and soukaku. Why bother?
Kafka and black swan had four star options.
Both black swan and kafka benefit being a top tier team together
To kafka black swan is the strongest application of dot to black swan kafka forwards dot the best.
Difference is both had alternative teams both were spaced far from each other excluding reruns.
Miyabi is reliant on disorder no other character has a passive that allows disorder to be consistent.
Yanagi is also reliant on disorder but her kit allows her to disorders easily.
Uhhh you got that back wards. Bs needs kafka or else she isn't doing dmg for shit.
ZZZ makes a habit of coming out with a busted unit and then nerfing them until release. Yanagi and Jane had the same "problem" now look at them
So I'm not worried at all lmao
And on top of that its leaked content so we should not even know about it XD
@@alexandrecarretier1748 well no one but the beta testers Hoyo hires
I'm not super crazy for Miyabi but this still a painful sight to witness as the hyped for her are now slowly decreasing as the balancing for her just hurting us as much it will hurt her as a future powerhouse. As for the team option im set since i got Yanagi myself. But still for the rest of the F2P guys with bad luck it's quite the torture
Lol yall just Doom posting for nothing lmao
@@GothamThotSlayerno her dps good but anomaly build up is trash unless they buff the passive to 145% or something
@GothamThotSlayer Nah I just felt bad for the others who's waiting her for so long just to see her get nerfs after nerfs. While it is good to balance her out, I don't think you need Yanagi like she's going to break the meta too much.
@@M_night69420yeah but you don't want her to focus on anomaly build up anyways. Her main focus will be crit damage. Thats why she will pair up with support instead of anamoly. I'm skipping Yanagi anyway and hope I get M6 Soukaku with Miyabi
@@GothamThotSlayerhope our pulls are blessed and win us both the 50/50 and 75/25 on weapon pulls. Cheers
Between this and Fugue's subpar kit, Hoyo have really gone out of their way to make me hate the characters I looked forward to the most.
You problem
Don't hate the character. Hate the dev.
they are not even out yet, its always the same thing, a character recieve some kinda of Nerf and everyone think ITS the end of the world, but then they came out as broken, just like yanagi, relax bro
@@morichiiii Bro stop gaslighting. People are not losing interest in miyabi because she is getting nerfed. People are losing interest in miyabi because Mihoyo is making the character as unattractive to pull as possible for f2p.
After all, you need yanagi or miyabi is useless for your account and not only that, you need Miyabi's W-engine on top of that or you lose out on 50% of her damage making her useless. You need her M2 to get the hypercarry that was hyped. This is basically Archeon from honkai star rail all over again so why bother when players can wait for another Feixiao?
@MarkFin9423 and? even if you loose dmg bc you dont have her W-enginee she'd still being one of the most broken agents, just like acheron was in the 2.1-2.5, and what is that logic? the meta is always changing If you dont pull a character bc theres a possibility that in the Future a stonger one will be release, smt that eventually will happen, you'd never play the game and never pull anyone, bro you just want to shit in the character and its okay, see someone as hyped as miyabi start with crazy numbers and end with relatively smaller ones is kinda shock, but remember the same happened with yanagi and shes where she
sorry for the long answer 😭
Don’t worry guys, you will still summon for her, even after all your cry baby antics.
i skipped yanagi to get lighter assuming he would do well with miyabi aside from being part of my soldier 11 team and hearing about miyabi needing yanagi is kinda painful. Really hope she is good without needing top tier characters to make her work.
People getting mad at the devs for a character that hasn't even come out of beta yet is actually hilarious 😂
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This happens every single patch before release. You make a character over tuned and then incrementally decrease their values to a healthy state before release. Especially because Hoyo doesn't really buff or nerf characters so they make them as balanced as they can at release. You complainers really wanted Miyabi to do millions of damage and sh*t on all other DPS units in the game so badly 😂
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"I can't believe they nerfed her *7000%* atk scaling on her ultimate! She's so bad now and it's killing my hype!" LMAO, no it's called balance and appropriate game development. Miyabi will be fine.
Facts
typical of this shills bro, they think they already understand the character by referencing on characters from other hoyo games
brain dead hsr players that main achereon
Her frostflame buildup has been nerfed which is huge.
@@iflgames3245 okay so? She can hyper carry with Soukaku ice buff/anomaly build up and still disorder with ice too. Also if that's the case then just change your disc set. She's meant for high crit damage anyways. Frostburn anomaly is just a bonus. The rest just comes down to skill
Miyabi, Harumasa and Lighter is my goal
Miyabi combat animation is so peak and I was going to pull for her despite having a really solid Ice team but with each nerf I get less and less exited and now I actually think I'll just skip her because she's just not worth it for me. I don't plan to pull for Yanagi and it really does seem like Miyabi will be good with anyone but Yanagi
Wait for the final changes just like acheron it'll decide everything
Thanks for the video. 👍
I unfortunately don't have fun playing with Yanagi, so I don't pull her, but I have Burnice and Lucy M6W5 to possibly go with Miyabi.
But I think I'll wait until we have info on 1.5 before pulling, unless of course I like her gameplay. ❤
She used to deal dps same tier as Jane and Yanagi(Full) however she is back to Zhu yuan tier.
Honestly i think as always characters end up with new better teams with the released characters like when jane doe released we played her with seth and a flex like grace but then we put Cesar and then burnice. Here i feel like the support is going to help a lot and someone from her faction is gonna be anomaly something and synergies with her. Its a lot of coping but if they're willing to sell characters for miyabi it makes more sense than selling yanagi in her next rerun
While y'all are doomposting Miyabi, remember that Yanagi and Jane were nerfed to the ground before release, and they're still some of the best DPS in the game when they're actually released. Y'all are overreacting so much that it's becoming a sitcom at this point.
Anyways, anyone want some popcorn? 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
I really hate the nerf part on the frostburn. Since Frostburn is going to be her main dps, and they nerfed it from 2000℅ to 1500℅, Hoyo never fail to kill the hype for characters in their games.
more like balancing
@revo5124 well if with 1500℅ and her damage is still op, then yeah its fine. No one knows the multiplier for her damage with 1500℅ so yeah i called it nerf
@nagiba8645 and the dipshits acting like it doesn't get benefits from all stats so : atk%/ap/pen%/cr/CD.
There's a reason it's half of yanagis scale. And it's charged via disorders, so stupid amount of dmg to change even more stupid dmg.
I swear the new generation of gamers is utterly clueless about basic arithmetic.
@@revo5124 She fall form Jane doe and Yanagi tiers is to Zhu yuan which is HUGE nurf. she also need W1 and Yanagi to be on par with Zhu yuan too
tbh, her charge attack is going to be her main dps lol
Loooool GUYS, dont tell me Genshin's Dev team are responsible for ZZZ this feels veeeeeeeery familiar
They are newbie team but working under genshin team and producer. However Hsr and Hi3 is on another team. Which make me worry that some day ZZZ might turn into stupid casual game like genshin.
They are doing a great job at killing the Hype for Miyabi
You are technically not supposed to know about leaks in the first place. So ig you are killing your own hype 😂
@@mortalninja8626 exactly bruh and theyre just balancing stuff
dude she's still great lmao
@cawashka We don't want "great". We want "OP OMGBBQ!!1" 😂
@@cawashka IF you have her weapon her m2 and yanagi and an upcoming mystery support, she looks great. I call that a raw deal and a very high maintenance lady. I like ubiquitous / flexible characters. I think they caught on that a lot of people have been saving 500 pulls for her and are intent on purging them savings.
I have not other ice agent other than soukaku and also have no other stun agent other than anby and i really want lighter so I hope I get him early pull and save the rest for miyabi
my pull for her went from m2 engine 1 to maybe or m0 engine 1 ill just wait until release to finally decide.
People in the comments already downplaying her. LOL.
Maybe try using her for yourselves first before judging. Haha!
funny how the biggest leak subreddit didnt mention shit about harumasa changes, thanks miyabi
Miyabi enhanced basic atk still stronger than Ellen ultimate.
Miyabi Disorder also stronger than Jane.
They should at least nerf Miyabi 10 more times to make her balance.
Lmfao thank you!! People here are doomposting saying she's worthless which is insane because her stats are stupid stacked. And she will even have more value being paired with support instead of anamoly
I see people are still getting baited. Sad.
Seriously hope the CN community complains enough to at least revert some of this but it all seems very unnecessary. We'll have to wait for release because when a flagship character is received poorly they actually try to buff post release but hoyo can be super stubborn sometimes.
This was much needed nerf, trust me no one here would want to powercreep their fav units this early in the game.
From the title alone, I say yes. This game isn't hard and it really gives you freedom to play what you want. I never use the recommended Anomaly teams and Shiyu is always pretty easy to S rank. Examples would be using Lucy with Jane and Caesar or Yanagi with Rina and Seth. I just don't like using 2 DPS in one team and it's never needed anyway. I'm training my Soukaku to pair with Miyabi right now and I know it'll be perfectly fine, clearing "Hard" content at 4 minutes instead of 2 minutes has honestly never bothered me.
Yepp. I don't know why he's trying to sell the idea that she's being nerfed when this is just the devs balancing her out the same way they did with Yanagi lol
@@GothamThotSlayer Lol mate, he does it to get view and subs. At the end of the day he still knows what he's talking about if you watch his Twitch streams. And I mean they did nerf her a little bit but they also buffed her a lot, mainly changed the way you need to play her. She still is gonna be crazy strong.
@@kyle_senpaiFigures. Looking forward to "Miyabi breaks the game" everytime they release a character ppl do this
I was thinking the insane motion value buffs from last version were too good to be true. But the shift from A mastery to A proficiency really is sketchy to me since from what I understand, her frostburn break is supposed to scale off typical crit values.
Frostburn scales off attack and AP not crit.
remember that we shouldnt be able to have access to such info and everything is subject to change
Btw beside yanagi, there are grace and burnice, for other slot it can be lucy or soukaku
I think next drip were going to get the 1st limited support character to partner it for miyabi thats why their not changing her additional ability
Who in beta tester give recommendations to nerf her?
Damn those damage nerfs, to her ult specifically like sure it probably was dumb strong and there still is like a 700% dmg mv difference between her and zhu yuan, but i wanted a 2000% difference. :(
My issue is that I wanted to build a strong team for Miyabi and I am ok with waiting until we get information on the new support but for me there’s no way to tell what will end up being miyabis best team in the future because I was assuming it was going to be miyabi new support and a stunner but then someone brought it to my attention because of how strong miyabis synergy is with Yanagi that the best team could be miyabi Yanagi and the support which puts me in a thought situation because Yanagi is Gone in less than 34 hours and I have no way of knowing how important she will be for miyabi long term
I had the same situation in patch 1.2. I was going to skip burnice but was sold by others that she would be yanagis bis team comp. As a yanagi enjoyer I pulled for burnice and got lucky. Now I have M2R1 Yanagi with current bis burnice. Imma pull miyabi still tho. F2p btw
Yeah everyone is in the same mindset but i think the faction of the support can have an anomaly unit as well that synergies with her too tbh (if they want to sell their units like burnice for jane doe). Yanagi is a no no for me (too much field time for a gameplay I hate, and I wanna save for upcoming characters more) and it might not be her best option but honestly it will still clear the endgame no doubt.
This game makes it clear from day 1 that it focuses heavily on FACTION SYNERGY, ofc agents within the same faction are gonna be their best in slots, to think otherwise is simply a you problem. If you want to wait for agents from other factions for specific teams that is perfectly fine but what annoys me the most is when people have the nerve to act surprise that a character from the same faction work well together?!?!?!? NOOOO WAAAYYYYYY 😱 ofc yanagi was gonna work well with miyabi how can you think that she wouldnt?
You can still pull for Yanagi. Lol you got a whole day 🤣
If you can pull Yanagi then go for it.. the reason why other players not pulling for Yanagi is due to resource management like mine, If I will exhaust my resources on Yanagi then I will ruin my chances to get Miyabi and her Wengine.. But for you it seems it’s not a problem.. Yanagi is one of the strongest dps currently in the game and just like Jane, she is fine on her own even if the real bis for Miyabi comes from next patches..
I feel that Burnice will do just as well as Yanagi or just slightly worse. She has much lower fieldtime and faster annomally application. Her ult lets swap to Miyabi too mid animation. Prob same will go for future anomaly chars, they will balance them out, coz they want to sell them.
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I see Miyabi, I click and like. I’m a simple a man.
I cant follow the updates on unreleased characters because the emotional damage of seeing things get changed is too much. Miyabi is my waifu so I’m pulling her no matter what, I hope she’s still a good agent, and honesty let’s kill the hype a bit as it is all the whales are going to be running around with their M6 Miyabis making me feel bad.
Ignore them. These same cry babies said the same when Yanagi got nerfed when it was just Hoyo doing usual balancing. And now every ZZZ YTuber is saying how broken Yanagi is. I didn't even pull for her cuz I'm saving for Miyabi and hopefully will get Lycaon cuz I'm close to my 300 pull so that I can have my solid ice team: Lycaon, Miyabi, Soukaku
Well pretty much dps reduce by 50% overall ... they really like to nerf hard in last version . This and fugue in hsr they really like not to sell those sweet characters ! Hell we need a shit ton of premium unit just for 1 unit every single time . Hope miyabi will still top tier at her release .
For those wondering "do i need to pull yanagi too?" Your miyabi team would be less useful without miyabi in it. All in miyabi (rate on/200 pulls and counting)
Could lighter, lucy miyabi be a team? Would that make lighters passive viable or no, if you build both lucy and lighter with anonaly proficiency then could they together act as buffer and disorder proc?
Are they trying not to sell her
they’re *really* trying to sell both.
@@aquasis995 Issue is they are pinching Miyabi for sales so hard I doubt many people will pull for her. If a character requires massive investment to make the character viable (Miyabi's W-engine+Miyabi+Yanagi) then why bother? It's much more practical at that point to wait for a future character that outperforms her at a lower investment.
@@MarkFin9423that's like basically every future character. Why not just pull for who you want? Everybody in the comments are just doom posting over here
@MarkFin9423 wait for final changes
So i suck at numbers.
Pls, like im stupid. Can someone explain what has happened to Miyabi here.
Can she, bottom line, still be built mono ice with soukaku and lycaon?
She isn't good in that team because she does't procs disorders to get stacks for the charged attacks. Mono ice is for Ellen. Miyabi needs disorders
@@Darkmenon???? You do know her frost burn can disorder with ice right? 💀
You're fine. You don't need to depend on disorder for Miyabi when her crit rate/dmg will be very high. The anamoly is just bonus damage which she STILL can do since she disorder with any element in the game. Including ice.
@@GothamThotSlayerThank you for answering. I was worried and just wanted to know. Cause as much as i want her, i cant justify yanagi and lighter both.
So thanks, i was worried.
@@Hate24 hopefully the game will give you M6 Soukaku while you pull for Miyabi. She will make Miyabi worth it 🙏🏾
To be fair i dont think those nerfs are that huge, imo if they nerfed the ammount of dmg and anomaly build up its because she was overperforming every other unit so much it doesnt make sense...
A bit of nerfing wont damage her and in that way the in game balance maintains in a good spot, plus the core isnt nerfed in fact that allowed her to have a support to boost her dmg even more plus we can nearly say for sure that the changes to her core means the next S rank support will be probably made for her... In the end if you wanted to pull her from the start then pull for her as she will outperform every other unit right now even with the nerfs, if you dont wanted to then just skip her, she will have a rerun sooner or later if you change your mind...
But something I don't really understand, at least with my current knowledge of Miyabi's kit. Isn't Miyabi suppose to be an on-field anomaly dps which is the same as yanagi, won't that just make the team comp of yanagi, miyabi, (future support?), a little off since you'd have 2 on field dps
she is more of a burst dps. you build stacks with, in this case yanagi, switch briefly to miyabi->burst, and back to yanagi
@kirinrias6912 so for that instance on the field she does massive dmg, apply some buffs and stacks and during for example no energy smtg like that just switch back to yanagi?
@@darren0802 something like that, as far as I understand she plays in such a way that she deals a lot of damage in a short time with a downtime afterwards. But for that she needs stacks which can be built up by herself but also by others like Yanagi. So you can play her as a "main DPS" but it is more effective to use someone else to build up the stacks for her.
But I have to say that I only followed the whole thing a little bit in passing, so I'm not 100% sure if that's true.
@@kirinrias6912 I see alright. Thanks 🗿
Do not worry about doomposting, hoyo players are genuinely brainless this happens in literally every hoyo game
Poor lighter bro.
What about miyabi, burnice and soukaku? Is that a good team? Or without yanagi its not worth? Considering that i have burnice M1W1.
It depends. It's probably better if you do Miyabi, Burnice, and Lucy since Miyabi can pair with any support. She's still has a lot of worth plus you have a chance to get M6 Soukaku as well. Yanagi, Miyabi, and Soukaku will most likely be the BEST team but they have to share field time together for constant disorders. If you wanna MAIN Miyabi, then Yanagi is not NEEDED for your team. Miyabi wants support to heighten her attack damage since she will come with high crit rate/dmg as her base stats. Yanagi is honestly just bait
Please forgive me if this a stupid take but why is no one talking about soukaku? I don't get it? She's a support so she works with miyabis passive and she buffs ice damage so why is no one talking about her? Does she not work with miyabi or something? I'm genuinely confused...
No she definitely does. Most people who are crying are those who are finding excuses to whale for her M2 and beyond. Most average players don't have that kind of money to spend unless you're just insanely lucky. Lol there's a reason why Hoyo put Soukaku on her banner so that you could possibly get her M6. She's an amazing support for her but people are too busy crying about Miyabi not being able to "hypercarry" 🙄
@@GothamThotSlayerman her anomaly build up is trash easp since they nerfed easp charge lvl 1 and 2💀💀💀
People dislike her mainly because she's "too slow" their words not mine. By that I mean her buff of flying the flag takes to long to apply versus someone like lucy or Nicole you swap in and be done with it. Because its a long animation, it usually results in soukaku being hit. But being honest that doesn't really matter for a "casual" playee just does who want to min max for optimal times and rotations.
@@M_night69420skill issue
Soukaku should work well with her, yeah. Miyabi’s absolute best team will probably be Her, Yanagi and Soukaku/Rina/Burnice. Due to the ice buffs Soukaku may be the best for maximising Miyabi’s personal damage.
she is gonna get a crazy anomaly support later on
Are they making a Support character who will scale on Impact.??? Just like how Ceasar as a defense character scales on impact..
Nerf or not she’s still coming home
I'm glad I pull for yenagi I'm going all in for miyabi😊
Will burince , Lucy and Myabi work well ? Seems like all their ability’s would line up
That should be a solid team. 👍
Is Miyabi worth if I have Yanagi and Burnice, and Ellen?
Depends. Miyabi can disorder with any element in the game and will have higher crit damage that might even scale more than Zhu Yuan. She's great for an ice team with Lycaon & Soukaku. But you technically don't "need" her if you have Ellen. She's more amazing with Yanagi though so it's up to you
Ellen trash buuuh 👎👎
Miyabi good 👍👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️
Sorry im bored xd
@@GothamThotSlayeryup even ice tho her own anomaly build is trash💀💀💀
Miyabi is going to have to be amazing without Yanagi for me to stop using my Ellen
She already creeps Ellen with her base stats. M6 Soukaku will also help supplement Miyabi even at M0. Pull for her weapon if you get lucky enough
This is terrible! Bring back my beautiful, mighty Miyabi! I want my favorite character in the game to be the strongest, not the most flawed... 😰😭🤬
She's still cracked mate. Her beta values were so strong she would've outperform litteraly every character. She needed to be nerfed
Holy doom posters, man y'all need to chill out for real lmao
Would Miyabi not be reliable in Lycaon + Soukaku team?
this comment section makes me worry about the future, even in HI3 they will make the character so OP and its not even joke at V1, like 25% damage increase from previous DPS, then on the V2 they will nerf it to 8 - 12%, then adjustment on V3 like some clunky mechanic and restriction. so take this beta just to show how the character works, not the overall performance.
so what's the TLDR, guys? Do we need Yanagi for Miyabi? Please elaborate ( I don't have Burnice and Rina, so I'm kind of in a rough spot )
No. You don't need Yanagi. Miyabi wants support so Soukaku is a great substitute. You'll have a chance to even get Soukaku's M6 as well. Miyabi needs good support and if you have a Lycaon as a stunner then that's even better. Hoyo wants you to invest using a solid support unit because Miyabi will be built with HIGH CRIT RATE/DMG. Anamoly is just a bonus since her unique element can disorder with any other element in the game
Yanagi is only great cuz both her and Miyabi can share field time for constant disorders but to maximize that dmg, you'll NEED support like Soukaku regardless
@@GothamThotSlayeryup she wants atk
Nice accent bro. Makes it all sound cooler 😎
Ngl my hype for her is dying down with these changes, it's not even the damage nerfs since they usually release very balanced characters (Yanagi was heavily nerfed throughout beta but on release she slaps)
It's just the stupid restrictivness with additional abilities where they funnel you into a certain team, it's extremely consumer unfriendly (Hoyo are greedy scum so no surprise really) and honestly kills any type of team build experimentation, you are shoehorned into a certain team/playstyle and you either conform or fuck off.
While i love ZZZ for it's art/design and overall gameplay loop, i much prefer Kuro Games and WuWa as developers and a game.
In WuWa every new character released just opens up new team options and you can experiment all you want, there are optimal teams in WuWA as well but sub optimal team won't be completely worthless, usually difference in damage potential between optimal and sub optimal is like 100% and 75-80%, while in ZZZ feels like it's much worse.
Only saving grace in all this is that Shiyu is relatively easy to S rank, and the only actually min-max game mode (tower) doesn't reward anything other than prestige after level 25
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Those same people who always beg Miyabi to break the game while complaining about powercreep are so annoying.
Miyabi's multipliers are still insane compare to others, they should have nerf her more
My main concern is i want to main her it's pointless if i have to use yanagi. And burnice doesnt work since i dont want to run yanagi on mono electric so this is sound bleh.
She doesn't need yanagi at all.
Shit you can run Miyabi and Soukaku if you want. She would be great with Lycaon too
Or you can also run Burnice, Miyabi, and Lucy as well
guys whats the damage difference between haramusa and grace?
Haramusa is attack and Grace is anomaly
A lot , harumasa was comfortably doing DMG comparable to Zhu yuan an Ellen
I'm wondering maybe Miyabi's multiple mindscapes will be required to make her alright after all these nerfs?
Yes you need m6 if you want to play her otherwise shes worse than piper :/
Are you deadass, she's that bad. So lycaon soukaku miyabi is no go?
This is bait. All my limited S banners are M0 and i can still sweep endgame content. M0 Miyabi and her W-engine is all i need. Can't afford to whale like the rest of you. Because I'm gonna still have fun with the character regardless which is the whole point. Also, Yanagi was nerfed even worse before launch and now she's like the strongest unit in the game. I think yall are being overly dramatic for no reason tbh
@@Hate24her and sou is good
should i just give up then. I reallu like her character but if u say so... i think i will end it all @@BaraKingu
I just saw a showcase in shiyu def, and even with the shiyu buff, she looked pretty mid. Like nothing out of the ordinary. Not to mention her ult did no damage😂😂😂
The team was with Lucy and Burnice and she was M0W1. Still, she killed the 7 mil new monster in 1 min and a few seconds but it looked pretty meh, to me.
The game for me is in this awkward state where it's too easy because the later agents just do too much damage for the game to be of any challenge or fun. Seriously, Yanagi is super cracked and it makes even tower easy. But more than that, build some good discs. A good disc set is a free M1 or M2 in terms of damage.
Personally in a game as easy as this where characters do too much damage, there's no reason to pull for dupes. Just spend more time routine cleanup.
you can just play miyabi with lucy and burnice, bam, excellent team
Astra Yao will save the Miyabi team for those that don't have Yanagi 🙏🙏
Will she power creep Nicole? So far it's only revealed that's she supports right?
I see the Genshin doomposting disease is starting to spread on ZZZ...
Resist the urges of being a salty hater guys! We are supposed the be a chilling community 😌. Or yall want your ZZZ content videos to be filled with hate and toxicity like Genshin ones?
I play both games btw, and I like to vibe on ZZZ videos 👌
Nah dps is still really good but not anomaly. Build up💀💀💀
I pull because the animation hanabi has power creep every character in this game 😭
And i agree to nerf his multiplayer because wtf that nultiplayer bro ☠️
With the recent drips from HSR and WUWA it seems like the zZZ hype has dimmed.
That's crazy talking about dimmed hype with wuwa in the same sentence
Wuwa drips were the worst anyway. Ugliest design ever, its genshin if they had no taste
Wuwa new designs are worse than the last characters. They all look like vtubers. Only like that horned woman’s design.
I really don’t like Yanagi play style so I hope I don’t need her man. This sucks.
She plays like close range Grace but the special dashes around like Zenitsu with huge Aoe
Miyabi without Yanagi will be bad.
Actually no. You can use Soukaku. Even better, you can get lucky and max out M6 Soukaku with her 5 star Wengine and play really well with Miyabi(and Lycaon too). Yanagi is bait. You technically "don't" need her. The only character who still has great future value and potential is Caesar.
I'm torn ...
I'm sad because her animation ate really cool and she seems fun to play but... She has no synergie with lighter (why hoyo why did you kill my man kit fir NOTHING) and lighter is my main target of ALL zzz (I'm not blind hoyo stop making husbando except in hsr...) so.... I might try everything to pull him and be broke... As she again has nothing to work with him...
I'm tired with yanagi
miyabi is base on crit base, so lighter is still a great pick?
Lighter-Miyabi only will work if you're playing Lucy
Maybe, but it is drastically better to play her as hypercarry with m2. Without it, she is more of a burst nuker with her stack accumulation off mostly disorders.
@@Miwhedrastically better doesn't mean that's the best way to play. Most people like teams. That's why Soukaku is on her banner. M6 Soukaku will make up for those having M0 Miyabi with her signature weapon. All of my limited S ranks are M0 and I still clear endgame content like it's nothing. And it's more fun/challenging too
Boohoo miyabi sucks now wah wah SKIP HER BOYS, more miyabi for me
Lol right? Crying over nothing lmao. In fact, Hoyo made me like her more now that I have a reason to build Soukaku
Ok guys...let the doompostfest...BEGIN!
Long story short Skip
this is sucks, I don't like Yanagi playstyle, guess I will skip Miyabi too, f Hoyo
Yanagi is still the best character after Miyabi is out, unless M can parry and better physic jiggles 🤡
Something tells me regardless of the ridiculous nature of Yanagi’s damage potential .. she didn’t sell too well.. leave it to Hoyo to make a change like anomaly to support for team 🤦 just to make more money 😅
It was smart though because Miyabi will be on the field more than any other units during combat
@ not exactly .. gotta keep rebuilding her stacks
@@mcoupe69i disagree with that. You would have to share field time with Yanagi to proc disorder. I rather have a solid stunner and support to give Miyabi the field time she deserves. Yanagi is her best teammate but I don't NEED her. Especially if I have Lucy and Burnice as well
So, how bad or good Miyabi is now?
All I can say is she's fine. They're just balancing her ig. Take Yanagi herself as an example she was very OP when she was first introduced but received massive nerfs 3x but look at how monstrous she was. Imagine how OP pre-nerf Nagi was and i believe Miyabi's case was the same. Miyabi lovers were upset bc Miyabi now was not the Miyabi they wanted to be and they can't accept that fact. All the hype, drama and waiting and they'll receive a Miyabi like that? And the other downside was she's not really f2p friendly. She's too premium team comp and solo wise. She really needs M2 and her sigW to shine. Well that's within the meta if you just really love Miyabi you can pair her with whoever you want and make her use fusion comp then enjoy her gameplay.
@ as long as she’s better than Ellen, I’m okay
@@munizo-_- based on what I've seen as of now, she really is. Dmg, moveset and skill animations, it's all Miyabi. But she's not out yet so we can't really say now, tho it's common sense that they must make her stronger than Ellen bc if not no one will want her tbh. They're be stupid if Ellen tops Miyabi after her release.
@@nagichwaan Hey, I don’t wanna pull for Miyabi and I don’t wanna depend on characters I don’t like to play with her, would the team Ellen, Qingyi and Miyabi be at least an useable team? (I don’t remember if Miyabi additional abilities works with any other ice character like some other characters and their attributes)
I don’t wanna pull for Yanagi***. My bad.
miyabi
Watch them do this to bait people into pulling Yanagi in this last days and then by the end of beta giga buff Miyabi back again
It will honestly be a power move
Yup waiting for final changes
Miyabros….
might...skip miyabi...
Too many nerfs :(
@mr.contreras2639 it's fine. Remember what happened to Nagi when she was first drip marketed? She's super op to the point that devs didn't hold back nerfing her 3x and that's big nerfs but look at her now, despite all the nerfs she's still a monster. They're just balancing Miyabi no need to worry about her. I just really hope the devs make Miyabi a f2p friendly even a little bit. She's too premium as of now. Needs her wengine, needs M2 and needs Nagi to really shine. I mean, she's strong without her wengine and Nagi but almost 50% of her dmg will be gone. Devs must at least give her a f2p team and an A rank wengine that suits her.
For players that complain about Miyabi nerf, they don't know that due to decibels changes from shared ultimate to individual ultimate, Miyabi is the highest decibels producer. Meaning she needs to be nerf otherwise she produces decibels too fast that you can basically ultimate non stop every 10s😅 (including using teammate ultimate). Leak-The one you should look out for is the new support character that love singing which increase decibels generation, definitely meant for Miyabi. The 1st S rank M6 support is more op than Miyabi in a sense that she turn teammate from great to op, just imagine Zhu Yuan or Miyabi can cast 3 times ultimate consecutively. Fastest Decibels generation will be the new meta.
Even with the very bad nerf but i am like zoro if i see someone using katana i roll even better if i see with katana and also a woman i roll even harder 😂😂😂
No matter how many nerf miyabi get and hoyoverse keep trying to force me to pull yanagi for miyabi i'm not pulling yanagi, i make miyabi strong without yanagi
Nah id Pull M6 R5 🗣
I'm glad that they changed her passive. Why would I want to run yanagi with Miyabi. They'd just compete for field time. I'm better off doing miyabi, piper and soukaku.
Miyabi dead thank god I pulled Ellen 😂
No not really bit Hopefully they give her am back to her💀💀💀
@M_night69420 bro if you don't absolutely shat on hoyoverse they don't do anything to fix their game they are not kuro games