These Vampire Survivors clones are REALLY GOOD ACTUALLY?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- Here's another video where I take a look at the games inspired by a viral hit. Don't take the word "clone" too seriously please!
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0:00 - Intro
1:57 - Rogue: Genesia
5:54 - Brotato
8:59 - Her Name was Fire
11:11 - Soulstone Survivors
16:27 - 20 Minutes til Dawn
18:55 - Boneraiser Minions
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Woah... This guy survives vampires, that's nuts, nobody's done that, if I saw a vampire, I would die fr.
Actually, Vampire Survivors is also a "clone" itself, Magic Survival was the inspiration, a mobile game. Thought it changed a LOT progression wise (for the worse for me...) these past few months...
That is why I quit maguc survivor
Omg yes I've been waiting for someone to point this out I played magic survivors years before it came out
Magic survivor changed for the worst?
@@sielbel6782 I'll change your insides for the worst daddy
Been playing magic survival from when fusions existed
I've been a sucker for the riffs on Vampire Survivors for months now, the consistent Monday updates that Boneraiser Minions gets has had me revisiting it regularly since it launched.
This video got me to finally play vampire survivors, a game that somehow never came up on my radar when it was more popular. And man! It’s so fun. As a college student who only ever has her laptop at any given moment and has odd 45 minute sections between classes and stuff, it’s so great. Thanks boss
Slay the Spire and all similar titles that have a RNG based drafting mechanic forces players to think differently. Instead of starting a run and saying "I'm going for x build" you have to take a step back and improvise. Which choice will give you the most power for x circumstance. At the beginning of a run, you need raw sustain, whether it be enough health to tank hits or enough damage to wipe things out before they get to you, you need something to handle the trash. Once that's settled, you start seeking your elite and boss killers. These won't do much during normal waves/enemies but when the big boss comes out, it just melts. It's a completely different mindset from most games with builds and theorycrafting. The problem Rogue Genesia has is not actually "bad rng" it's the lack of interesting options early game and the fact that late game you now have too many options for rng to favor you. Many games of this type are experimenting with a sort of favor system. Example being if you start building a lot of attack speed, you see more weapons that benefit from that high attack speed.
Agreed. This is a super hard balance to strike though, and it's why Slay the Spire is still the GOAT of the genre.
Good to see you working on other content, despite everything! Proud of you!
Shout out to Snake RX, the OG rogue-like synergy-focused auto-battler! Still beats out the other games I've played even though it has a relatively small amount of concept.
Rogue: Genesia seems super interesting and definitely going on my list. On this one I must say I felt the way about Vampire Survivors that you did about R:G. Once you have all of the upgrades it becomes very difficult to lose and on many stages you can reach the point where you can basically AFK 15 minutes in. The strategy also doesn't go much further than "get matching items" for the most part which is okay because strategy isn't really the point of the game.
Brotato I've also been enjoying even though the style is less charming. Your point about feeling like you aren't getting the items you need is actually a positive for me. Part of what makes roguelike games such as Slay the Spire so replayable and enjoyable for me is that you can't always get the items you want, you have to play the hand you are dealt. Sometimes it feels like a run is unwinnable and sometimes it truly is, but most of the time if you weighed your options carefully it actually is winnable if you don't get caught up on trying to force a certain kind of build. In Vampire Survivors you can basically force it to give you the exact items you want every time and the variety really comes from trying to complete all of the challenges.
Anyways, good video but unfortunately it's not Elden Ring related so I will have to hit you with a dislike and unsubscribe and report the video for infringing my rights.
Aw man youtube never showed me you uploaded this, I'm glad I went back and checked!
Wish you'd mentioned Mystic Survivors!
For people who enjoy Vampire Survivors not just for its genre, but as a well-balanced product, Mystic Survivors gives a VERY familiar experience, in a new 3D & anime style many may enjoy.
Played everything on this list save for Her Name is Fire, very briefly:
-Rogue: Genesia is pretty good once the builds click and you have enough unlocks + meta progression. Only flaw I feel is the WILD variance in build viability, which will likely be fixed later on when all weapons have Evolutions (many of the common weapons without evolution just cannot compete with the legendary rarity weapons that do have them).
-Brotato is alright, not got much to say about it. I feel it loses out a bit for how much of a run is picking up small-to-middling % bonuses to stats. Better than 80%+ of games in this micro-genera, anyway.
-Soulstone does not feel good at the higher difficulty modifiers, it breaks under the strain of how much bullshit is on screen and how spongy enemies get. Baffling choices abound, like most dot effects feel unless past Curse Tier 2 with how they do flat rather than % damage and enemy/boss health scales waaaaaay past their ability to do anything. It kinda feels like it needs more meta-progression overall to compensate for how nuts numbers get later, but idk if there's any fixing the chaos - what's the point of ground damage indicators when you're plastering the screen in multiple layers of them? This is all a shame because I feel like there's some really cool ideas and spell effects, and the boss attack patterns are neat when, you know, you don't have six bosses firing everything them have at you on screen at the same time.
-20 Minutes Till Dawn is the real deal, maybe the best on the list. Like Rogue: Genesia it can take a few runs to click with builds and viability, but man oooohhh man, when you know what to do it makes you feel like a GOD, like you've taken apart a game that was bullying you and gave it a thrashing. Very satisfying to have a build work and beat another tier of the difficulty prog. And best of all, level upgrades in a run are CHUNKY, either BIG % boosts or entirely new attack patterns and effects, and sometimes you get benefits AND drawbacks that further crystalize a build's uniqueness. No piddly +2% Attack Speed shit here!
-Boneraiser Minions: VERY good but I feel it has more Auto-Battler DNA than Vampire Survivors DNA. Updates are coming FAST with this one, I feel like we get a new class with entirely new builds and play-styles every other week.
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A few more not mentioned in the video:
-Spellbook Demonslayers: Middling to Decent. Does some interesting things in meta-progression, main drawbacks are I feel a lot of attack patterns and weapons just don't click, no matter what I do. Suffers a little from "small +% levelups". Oh, and it has an ATROCIOUS meta-gaming thing during a run where you have a merchant that can spawn and as one of the guaranteed offers he will trade you unique, merchant-exclusive patterns/weapons for whatever current pattern/weapon you have at the lowest level. This is an issue because when bosses die the chests they drop will have random levelups for one or two weapons. Meaning, if your strat makes you want to dump a *specific* weapon at the merchant, it is optimal to avoid all boss chests until you do so. I do not feel the game should be encouraging this kind of meta-play but who knows, maybe others enjoy it...
-Spirit Hunters: Infinite Horde: Avoid. I don't know how, I don't know what: there's not a single weapon or pattern I enjoy using in this game. It's baffling. Also it feels slooooow... Good production values, wretched design.
-Crimson Dawn: Middling offering, but the levelup metaprogression is neat. Current last map feels poorly balanced. Still very under-cooked.
-Void Scrapers: I wish I could turn off the background effect because something about it is hard to look at for me. Bleh.
-Bio Prototype: I wanted to love this game but it is feels Eurojank as fuuuuuck. Those who know, know. Probably an avoid, for most.
We are starting to call the genre "bullet heaven" now. It's shorter than "Vampire Survivors-like" or "Reversed bullet hell" as I heard some say... I don't know who did it first, but I'm glad they invented this formula. Amazing for the average busy gamer in search of a quick and satisfacing session.
I played Boneraiser minions before it was fully released since I was really interested in the concept, its surprisingly rare to get a full blown Necromancer game even with all the potential there, and its really cool to see the constant updates and content added to it
hey, really great video! i like VS a lot, and definitely want to check out some of the ones here when i can.
i'm also excited by the potential of this type of gameplay, i feel like 'be the bullet hell' could end up meshing really well with genres other than 'topdown roguelite' and i hope we get to see some of that eventually, maybe even get some fun discourse on 'survivorlikes' vs. 'survivorlites' lol. ty for the content!
Hey bro I know you think your challenge runs are the only content people are interested in, but I love videos like this. I came for the challenge runs, but stayed for the analysis’
This video convinced me to finally try vampire survivor
HoloCure, Sexy/Beautiful Mystic Survivors and Spellbook Demonslayers are ones I liked quite a bit.
You know its strange that the videos are not getting as much view as before these are really high quality videos it feels like its getting suppressed
Love the video. I would like to see a follow up. I just bought Bonerasier, thanks for letting me know about that one. I missed it. Regarding games not covered Halls of Torment is amazing, and Death Must Die is a bit cheesy with it’s Hades like inspiration but the gameplay is fantastic.
well you're in luck, a followup is what I'm currently working on!
"Death Must Die" demo on steam was really enjoyable.
Brotato is so much fun. And then there's loads of top mods when you want to go further into the realm of daftness
The music in Boneraiser Minions is amazing
Soul stone has the same appeal as risk of rain 2
I believe Ris of Rain 2 was low key defining the genre already before it became popular
Brotato is probably the most popular alternative to VS on here.
N its de best imo
Hye, love the vid and totally agree with soulstone survivors, although I did love playing it for quite some time.
One thing I noticed you didn't say, maybe you don't know about it is the option to lower the visibility of the numerous attacks and powers on the screen, I usually start with max visibility and then dial it down in order to see things during higher levels.
I think what moves it ahead of most of the pack for me is that there's a decent variety in mechanics and skills. Way, way too many of these games, even the good ones, are just outright copying the skills from VS, which are very dull to begin with for the most part. Seeing a weapon that fires only left and right is a dead giveaway.
I'm glad the option is there, but I'd go ahead and argue that asking the user to manage that on their own is bad UX
@@ingeniousclown Ohh, I def agree with that, even with toning down the effects, the sheer number of monsters makes it almost impossible to see anything later on
@@smithsmith6402 There's def a lot of stuff in it
I'd like to add Spellbook Demonslayers as a great one you should check out. The rock/metal soundtrack really makes it kick ass.
I actually played a good bit of it, but couldn't fit it into the video. Like I said there's SOOO MANY
look who is back always crawling back for more
This list is missing "Death must die", "Bio Prototype", and maybe "An Ankou" (not sure if the genre matches there) - all absolutely amazing games as well
Oh also HoloCure, though I never played that one
HoloCure
Soulstone is my favorite of all the many clones I've played, and I kind of like it more than VS, it has crafting and more systems in general and is a little bit of Diablo thrown in, also you can turn down the spell effects. Also try Time Wasters (very deep and tough) and Scarlet Tower (very pretty and fun, but a bit unbalanced)
11:54 Couldn't be more wrong. Think about how much extra work is put in to make that many abilities and how much time that takes? How many bugs likely had to be squashed to even get that level of variety into a playable state?
It's fine to dislike it, but don't minimalize the kinda effort, focus and dedication that takes.
Ikr beeing a necro summoner is the best feeling ever in every game u can \o/
you need to do tiny rogues, bounty of one, neophyte, and (though it isn't one of these but bc you like necromancers) necrobouncer!
Try Bio-Prototype realy nice spin on the formula and a unique way of getting stronger.
I'd like to recommend "Repetendium" its pretty nice, tho still has lots to improve but i enjoyed it :D
Hah, enjoyed the intro.
If only Vampire Survivors was available on the Nintendo Switch. D:
It’s going to be in August. Rejoice!
I'm not a fan, I don't hate it but I hate the formula being already the new wave
Vampire Survivors will be a new genre
.....its been almost 4 months, i miss our brain baldy.
I ended up leaving Soulstone Survivors while trying to unlock the Deathknight. Beating a map with Curse rank 4 requires getting the abilities that optimally fit your play style. Unfortunately for me, for 30 straight attempts, RNGesus had declared lubrication to be anathema.
I did love Boneraiser Minions for a few months straight. I'll likely return to it after a few more updates.
Beautiful Mystic Survivors is straight-up a Vampire Survivors clone. It has some minor additions, like branching evolutions and level-up rarities, but 99% of its DNA is wholesale Vampire Survivors.
Sexy Mystic Survivors is for VS players who regret that mentioning that they play VS fails to make everyone uncomfortable.
Interessant
Have you tried Archero? It's not really a Vampire survivors clone, _and_ it's a mobile game=/
But I played it for some time, and its kinda fun.
FYI: If you _do_ decide to try it, there is a thing, where if you quickly flick, or sometimes just tap the joystick repeatedly, (I think some call it "stutter stepping"?) you can fire quicker!=)
Army of Ruin is AMAZING and is a survivors-like. Please please look it up
20 minutes, Spellbook Demonslayers and gunsuit guardians are all top tier IMO
For Boneraiser Minions, you should definitely try every other game by this dev. Spirit Abyss is especially brillant.
Basically Weird Spelunky.
Like all games from this dev, there's also a collector card minigames, tons of modes, of characters, and so on.
Skelly Celest and Strainium Immortaly are also neat, but Spirit Abyss remains their masterpiece.
Shoutouts to devil survivor
It's not a vampire survivors clone but it's a good game and I need to mention it every time I can
Nintendo doesn’t disrespect their most passionate fans
"game development only became better by developers ripping ideas from each other"
then they decided to patent them 😮💨
I 100% agree with you
I’m a huge fan of Brotato
Nice
One other "clone" of Vampire Survivors is Necrosmith. However "clone" is very relative here, as Necrosmith is actually kind of a strategy game.
20 Minutes Till Dawn is good, recommended
Dang, took ye 1 minutes 58 second until the videos start.
It's called a prologue.
video starts at 0:00
I like Spell Defender.
I'd say Army of Ruin is a decent take on the genre. I got about 25 hours out of the current build and enjoyed unlocking the content. Graphically it goes for the Warcraft style which I found worked well. For about $4 what have you got to lose?
I think it make sense that vampire survival has a limit on choices and all you doing is running around without dying. There isn't any mechanics where you can switch to manual or auto attacks, there's no upgraded stats for each level you gain from experience, attack patterns are the same, no other unique upgrades, and etc. Just saying...
This guy kinda sounds like Misty Chronexia
Halls of torment?
Soulstone Survivor is easily the best of them.
i just want one of them on switch
100% agree on soul stone survivor, just way too much and can't strategize properly.
I love ya clown but did you really just say that super auto pets is like brotato?
Like I said I never played SAP lol, but the functions of the shop REALLY give me the vibe
please more elden ring video. There are many mods available now. Please make one about them.
Oh, and Super Auto Pets has almost nothing in common with any of the games you discussed here other than the fact that it's "run" based. It's more like Autochess or Team Fight Tactics. Either way I highly recommend it as a good time killer mobile game.
The Super Auto Pets comparison was strictly more about the shop and the way the upgrade and lock systems work within it. I could still be wrong on that though, so I'm ready to take that L if necessary
I played sap (Briefly) and brotato (extensively) and I can kind of see the comparison
you can go like for the souls game: survivor
games
They're more generically called _action-roguelikes._
I’m a bit late here but you can turn down the spell effects on Soulstone Survivors.
showing antimatter dimensions as an example of inapp purchases really angers me
20 mins til Dawn is more like a twin stick shooter/roguelite than a vampire survivor clone imo.
- Where's _Nomad Survival_ ‽ 🤦 It's the first and MOST VS-like game of all. And unlike a lot of other games, it doesn't pretend to "require" newer systems, so it can run on older machines, making it more accessible (its performance is even better than _VS_ itself, even when the screen is filled with sprites). The only problem I have with it is new levels get trickled out over a long time.
- _Bounty of One_ isn't bad either.
- _Boneraiser Minions_ is pretty good, but you'll quickly get all of the items and spells and end up with nothing left but waiting for the random drops to get the remaining items in the necropedia (or have to wait for an update with more stuff).
- 18:42 Agreed; some VS-like games are too simple, too basic while others are too bloated. It's a fine line, a balance.
I mean, you just literally stated why people like Soulstone Survivor. It's "too much." Like Path of Exile, or that janky immersive sims game that kind of looked like a 40k knockoff. Sometimes, too much is just what people want.
Influencer up in here making games journalists look like they're diligent about playing video games before they rate them for a living. He didn't even make it to game #2!
wat
The first 10 minutes is a little bit fun, when you get 2 super weapons, all you need to do is a simple click when you level up, just standing there and click, after 20 minutes, all you can see are color blocks, you have no idea what is happening, A game is a game, if you have fun, play it, don't like it, just refund and delete it, not too much thing to discuss. And Vampire Survivors is gonna hurt your eyes, take it easy.
The fact that you think soulstone survivors is "too much" is worrisome. You poor thing.
"worrisome"? "you poor thing"? you've done a great job of sounding unbelievably obnoxious with incredibly few words
Huh, no holocure.
I dont see the appeal in vampire survivors at all, maybe its just me but it looks extremely boring compared to other roguelites i play.
Same
Imo, almost every clone is better than vampire survivors😅
EAT MORE MEAT
why do you want me to gain weight so bad
@@ingeniousclown because you too thin. You eat more meat and milk and eggs with some tomatoes and coconut water.
I am really glad that you agree soulstone survivors isn't that great, I really only think it's popular because it has good graphics. I have played a ton of these types of games and the one that has gotten the most hours out of me is Brotato, so that should say something. I'm looking forward to the evolution of this genre and seeing more games with unique spins on it like Brotato. A clone of VS with a few differences isn't good enough imo.
Starting with "these games are actually good"
Proceeds with "this piece of shit is bad and this one I didn't even played"
Nice work (not).
Excuse me? Which one did I call bad piece of shit? Because I didn't. Not even close. And I played every game in this video.
You have some critical flaws in your comprehension if you believe the words that you typed in your comment
Ok but Hentai Survivors seems interesting
Vampire Survivors wasn't the first of its genre and its a genre these games fit in....they aren't copy paste thus not clones. They take quite unique takes compared to Vampire Survivors. Bullet Heavens. Stop abusing the "x game clone" terminology that is lazy, incorrect, and discredits other games of the genre.
Someone didn't listen to the video
@@ingeniousclown in fact my comment was directed at the title. The title doesn't magically change by listening to the video. The title is still the title.
Skumnut is better