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I'm looking forward to that video as someone who hates the definition of Roguelike as it spawned Roguelite and I feel like if we just redefined Roguelike we could finally drop the Roguelite term cause it's point is pretty much useless.
@@NeoCinnamon I just call proper roguelikes "traditional roguelikes" at this point. I'm still an old grump who believe that 95% of the games on this list are not roguelikes, but I can't be bothered with the argument anymore.
@@ataronchronon well you aren't wrong, most things nowadays are rougelites, I'd say 95% is a fair estimate. That's the issue, the subgenre to the genre has way more entries than that of the non subgenre. Either we redefine what Roguelike is and call those that aren't roguelites, as you said proper or traditional rougelikes, and the rest is just roguelikes. Or we make roguelikes the subgenre or something I don't know.
Nice list. One game that im surprised is missing from this list is: Griftlands. An excellent deckbuilder with a decent story. Love the doubledeck-aspect of the game and the challenges that it brings with the higher difficulty system. Check it out if you havent!
I remember hearing about it but I wasn’t sure.. Massive props to him, doing it all by himself. I will be checking it out again because I do think the game has great potential ;)
@@nopizzawithoutpineapple I played a couple weeks ago and it was a lot more balanced and I really like it but I don't play it too often, but that's mostly because I have too many games and not because it's a bad game.
Came to argue with your thumbnail on Dead Cells being C tier, stayed for really engaging commentary and an in-depth ranking of several great games, only to then see the true placement. Well played.
Great list, thanks for including Crab Champions- I completely agree with the placement, it's my first game and I've a LOT to improve on in pretty much every aspect before it can be in any way competitive- learning a lot with each update. I've made a large amount of balance changes for the next update that'll be out in the next month or so (I saw in another comment that you may check it out again so maybe worth holding off until that update is out before you do). My original goal was to allow players to completely break the game with the right combinations but there are a lot of ways this can happen too easily so a lot of the most common power spikes are harder to get in this update: I still am on the side of allowing the game to be broken over a super balanced game (as I think it's just more fun) but there are many ways to do that more effectively than I'm doing now. Lots of content planned for the next few years, early days still! P.S. Amazing work on your "What makes a good roguelike" video, you do a great job breaking down what makes the genre so good! I've been watching it on and off over the last few days and every section is packed with good stuff.
Thanks for the kind message! I’ve gotten back to the game and I must praise you for adding very impactful improvements through the updates. I always respect single developers, awesome job. I’m currently working on a video series where I talk about the design process of certain Roguelikes with interviews from the developers and I think this game is a great example of constant learning and improving. If you’re interested, I might want to eventually reach out ;)
@@PepperHeadGamingAbsolutely interested, that sounds like a very cool idea. Let me get the game into good shape and then it’ll be fun to explore the journey getting there 🦀
Sounds good. I’m finishing up a couple videos in the meantime. Feel free to reach out to me on Discord at Pepper Head Gaming. Looking forward to future updates ;) 🌶️
Hey noisestorm. I just want to let you know that my wife and I love crab champions and we look forward to every update. It is a really fun game for us to play as a couple. We also play risk of rain 2 and gunfire reborn, but we prefer crab champions because it is kind of a nice balance between the two. Anyways, we love what you're doing and look forward to the game's completion.
Usually, tier list videos are low to no effort content made by "big" streamers just to have something or by random people just to share their opinion. This tier list video, however, is really high quality and can be a reference when looking for something new to play. Great work! I would even call this a comprehensive list of worth to play roguelike/roguelite games. This is more than a tier list.
I actually agree. That’s when the Roguelike terms starts getting a bot twisted.. But it does "unfortunately" have the Roguelike tag on steam so I still felt like bringing it up. I probably should of mentioned it being a bit less of a Roguelike all things considered.
This dude managed to make a video called "Ranking The Best DESIGNED Roguelikes", then includes exactly 1 roguelike game in the total list and then does not rank it. Hahahaha! I actually enjoy the real roguelike games but it is a smaller market and this new wave of roguelites has messed with the definition of roguelike games as well. Because actual roguelike games are not as popular, most people don't seem to care about the abuse of the name. It does annoy me.
@@timm8998Yeah, I get your frustration. I’ve become used to it by now but the new “roguelikes” feel nothing like the original. Ragnarok on DOS was my favorite. :)
This feels like more of an objective list which felt nice, even with some games I like being lower your analysis I felt was very "fair" and I appreciate when people do lists like this to help broaden my knowledge of available roguelike games to try out in the future :)
What a video! And so under-rated. As an long time youtube lurker, this video is so nice to listen to, compare your experience, find recomendations and so on and so forth. Love the Darkest Dungeon review, hits hard...but I have to say, mods is THE thing that keeps DD fresh. New characters, items, rebalances and even regions. Still a violent experience...
Slay the Spire was my first deckbuilding roguelike, which ended up becoming my all-time favorite genre. I put about 200 hours into it while it was in early access and about another 70 after it left early access. Then about another 150 into the super-expansive Downfall mod that essentially provides a brand new gameplay experience on-par with the base game. It gave me the into to discover other fantastic games in the genre like Meteorfall: Krumit's Tale, Dicey Dungeons, Wildfrost, Into the Breach, and Slice & Dice, all of which are in my top 100 all-time favorite games. Despite its influence, I couldn't put Slay the Spire at the top of my list, as that honor has to go to Monster Train. While I totaled up around 400 hours into Slay the Spire including mods, Monster Train pulled me in for over 600 hours and still has my attention. It's one of the only roguelikes I can name that entices me to play it on its own without the thrill of progression. Perhaps more than any other game in its genre, it understands how important it is for a roguelike to have a dynamic early game that doesn't ask you to go through the motions until you reach the challenging part. Every part is the challenging part, and the finesse of the game's difficulty control is on the level of Hades.
Lol, we’re kind of the inverse. Ive played sts for over 600 hours and monster train closer to 300. I feel like when runs are doomed in monster train they’re a lot more tiresome, but I think the game has so many mechanics that the combinations and sheer replayability outmatch slay, yet at the same time I find slay’s gameplay loop more compelling and alluring.
I agree with you. I appreciate both Slay the Spire and Vampire Survivors for what they've done and they were both undoubtedly S tier when they were released but since then the genres they established have added many new games to their number that just do more interesting things with the idea. Kind of like Lord of the Rings.
@@futrecacao There's a ton of better fantasy stories out now than lord of the rings. lotr's biggest flaw is that is has absolutely horrendous pacing. The movies largely solve this but I was talking about the trilogy of books. Baldur's Gate and LotR are not even the same category.
FYI, the true grandfather of roguelike deckbuilders is not Slay the Spire. Its actually Dream Quest. The guy behind it was such a design genius that he was instantly hired by blizzard afterwards to work on hearthstone. An insane guy, huge talent in design, mindblowing ideas. A literal masterpiece. Check it out. You will be surprised, even though the graphics are basic, the gameplay design and choices in it, the class variety is awe-inspiring and sublime to say the least. It will easily show you how slay the spire built upon it and got ideas from it. Of course slay the spire is the perfect evolution and game for the genre, but its nice to know the roots, when the roots are this amazing! Oh, and dream quest is BRUTAL keep it in mind. If you think you have played hardcore roguelike deckbuilders, think again! I have done everything in slay the spire including all achievements and dream quest is still up to this day probably the most brutal one I have played and one I want to go back to. The true final boss is bonkers in that game! Cheers!
I did a quick Ctrl F for Dream Quest to see if anyone posted this because I was going to say the same thing. You can't talk about deckbuilders without talking about the genius of Peter Whalen.
It's funny because Hearthstone's very first Dungeon Run which Whalen worked on was what made me look for more games similar to that, and that lead me to Slay the Spire.
I find Hades to be really incredible and I played it all throughout early access from day one, but it’s lacking in the kind of long term replayability that games like Isaac, STS, and Gungeon have. Feels like once you’ve gotten through the story and leveled the weapon aspects that there’s really nothing left for you. You’re always fighting the same bosses, weapon aspects kind of lock you into a certain boon build path right from the jump, it’s always the same maps, and the limit of one weapon boon/one dash boon/etc. really hurts the crazy one more run to see what you can do feeling of other games. High A tier for me.
Agreed. The beauty of Hades is the action combat, but the systems behind the scenes are pretty barebones compared to say BOI which has so many variables that can alter a run at any given time. All Hades has is the weapons/buffs you go in with and the boons/upgrades you get during the run.
I feel like I'm really missing something in your comment -- you do know about Hades' heat system, right? It's also a game, like he mentioned, that many people speedrun. It has a ton of replayability after beating the final boss. Haelian is a perfect example of someone who continues to milk Hades for content.
The interesting thing about Darkest Dungeon is that it's actually easier to list the things you cannot control than it is to list the things you can control. The key to success is just game knowledge and once you have it it is quite easy to complete the game deathless consistently. The issue is that a lot of the information on various mechanics are buried in change logs or in the game files themselves which means that a lot of people don't get to see how everything works which makes the game feel more random. The nice thing is that the community as a whole has done a lot of work moving this information onto various wikis and hubs for the game. There are also many comprehensive community guides that cumulatively cover the entire game and all DLC, which is part of the reason that the game is still alive years later.
Darkest dungeon suffers a lot from progression, losing your heroes sucks, and some of the design choices feel really bad. But overall you can easily change your experience using some Quality of life mods. Definitely one of my favorite games, but only if it has some mods.
I don’t really see why DD is considered a roguelike outside of rng’d room encounters It’s the same feeling as trying to call XCOM a roguelike… just.. no lol.
For the few games in this list that I have played personally: 1:01 - 20 Minutes Till Down is indeed a middle-of-the-road game. Very enjoyable to play for a bit, but doesn't have much to set it apart. It's just your average solid roguelike. 2:13 - I'm surprised Across The Obelisk managed to reach A tier, especially since this is judged from a singleplayer perspective. I'm definitely not complaining that it's so high, I really love the game myself, but while playing it alone, I always wished I had more people to play it with, because managing 4 decks of cards on my own felt pretty overwhelming 7:51 - Backpack Hero has a pretty neat concept, but I noticed myself getting bored with the game pretty quickly and I didn't even know there were different characters in the game until I watched this video. So yeah, C-tier does reflect my own experience with the game 36:03 - I'm surprised Darkest Dungeon is on this list, but the second game isn't. The second game is structured like a roguelike, meanwhile the first game is more of a campaign, the closest thing it has to the roguelike genre is the random levels and enemies. But yeah, the RNG during fights really holds this game back, and the cycle of playing for a few hours, leaving for a year and then coming back is very recognizable. I'd probably have put it in A-tier, but I do think B tier is perfectly reasonable. 58:55 - FTL is really good, I agree that mods shouldn't be taken into account when ranking the game, but it's really hard not to take the multiverse mod into account as it feels really vanilla, and manages to expand on it a bunch. I'm tempted to put the base game in S as well, but it probably does belong in A tier, but if you can take the multiverse mod into account, it's an easy S-tier. 1:09:30 - Hades is S-tier no question. Voice acting, Visuals, Gameplay, Story and Characters, this game manages to excel in all of them. This is a "Jack of all traits, Master of ALL". 1:18:08 - I don't think I can really say much more about Inscryption than you've already said, because I really shouldn't spoil this game. Kaycee's Mod is worth mentioning tho, which, despite having "mod" in the name, is made by the devs, and allows you to enjoy the roguelike aspect of the game, without progressing the story. Inscryption as a whole does deserve S-tier, but not because it's a good roguelike, just because it's a good game. 1:20:28 - Loop hero gains extra points in my eyes for having very unique mechanics and executing them really well. I also love the music of the game. For me, it's definitely A-tier, and it's the first game where I do disagree with the placement on this list (but I do understand why it's placed in B-tier). 1:36:41 - I'm surprised Noita didn't make it to S-tier, it just has so much going for it. Secrets, depth, replay value, interesting concept. Noita has it all. 1:42:40 - Whenever I see One Step From Eden, I get a warm, fuzzy feeling inside. Thinking about the game just always makes me happy, yet, there is no way I'd ever put it higher than the B-tier. It's weird how connected I feel to the game despite having played it way less than most other roguelikes, and me generally not being a fan of fast-paced games. The game has very good music, which is probably why Violet is one of my favorite bosses in all of gaming. Her moves follow the beat of the music, and her boss theme sounds amazing. 1:48:12 - Wow, I'm really surprised to see Peglin in S-tier. To be fair, I've played a lot of Peglin myself as well and I have to admit that the concept just works. But still, S-tier?! Saying it's a random S-tier is very accurate. I really can't justify putting it higher than A tier for myself, because, unlike the other S-tiers, I really can't say this one is a masterpiece. But I can respect it, the game is quite addicting. 2:03:52 - My thoughts on Rogue Tower are exactly the same. I love tower defense, I love roguelike, this game combines the 2 and has so much potential, but the tower upgrades don't feel very special. Also, small correction: you said it's a roguelike rather than a roguelite, but it has a bunch of permantent upgrades you can spend your money on in-between runs, so it definitely is a roguelite and I doubt it's beatable on your first run. 2:21:15 - Shotgun King has an interesting concept, and it was fun for 1 run, but I got bored of the game extremely quickly and this is the only roguelike I've ever ended up refunding. D-tier for me. If you want a chess-based roguelike, I'd recommend The Ouroboros King. It more closely follows the rules of chess and has more variety than shotgun king does. 2:29:01 - Ah yes, the classic, Slay The Spire. While I wouldn't put it above Hades personally, it's just a really solid, well-balanced, deckbuilding roguelike and the game that most new deckbuilding roguelikes base themselves on. 2:58:02 - Vampire Survivors has no right being this good, just unlocking everything in the game gives you hours of content, and that's not even taking into account all the secrets. It has popularized the genre that's currently known as "bullet heaven" where instead of the enemies sending so many bullets at you that it's a hell to dodge, instead you're the one who is sending a bunch of bullets everywhere to keep yourself safe from the enemy. This honestly deserves an S-tier in my eyes. 3:07:12 - I'm surprised to see Wildermyth on the list, as it can barely be considered a roguelike. I personally really like the game and would put it in A-tier, but not because it's a good roguelike, rather because it's just a good game. It'd be S-tier if it had more than just 3 very basic classes. To be fair, these classes can be pushed in different directions that play quite differently from each other, but whenever you get a new character, they always feel same-ey and you need to invest in them before they get their own unique playstyle.
-Tiny Rogues is receiving a HUGE update on december, that will TRIPLE the content that is already in the game. The dev said yesterday that the amount of items in the game will go from 150 to 500; he's also adding alternative levels for each existing level, and a new set of secret levels that you can go after you beat the final boss, all new levels with their new respective bosses and enemies. If that was not enough, he said this update would be 0.2v or so, so if you trust in this dev's commitment (he's certainly hard-working), this would only be about 20-25% of the full game, which is an insane perspective. -Revita's dev recently announced on Twitter the update is no longer happening, apparently because of lack of support from its publisher or something related with hard-to-meet deadlines and so. -Another simple game with a ton of content (and it's about 70% completed in early access) is The Void Rains Upon Her Heart, a bullet hell shmup roguelite with an insane amount of achivements. Def one of my faves -Monolith is another recomendation, that I've seen commented already. Def one of the bests if you, again, like bullet hell/shumps. It has an update in the works for quite some time now, and maybe even a future DLC planned.
Great list and explanations! a few I would recommend to check out off the list are Synthetik Legion Rising, We Who Are About to Die, Mortal Glory, Otxo, Trials of Fire, and Doomsday Hunters!
This is honestly really awesome and i appreciate making a tier list with so many games! A lot of these look really interesting and i kind of wanna try them out ngl. I never would've discovered them without this honestly! Great job.
Crab champions in C tier? you gotta try it again, its had a few major updates and I think the issues you addressed have been mostly fixed, its a high B now imo
Really surprised monolith (now rebranded as star of providence) isn’t on here. It’s got an overwhelmingly positive rating and is in my opinion one of the best out there. It’s also getting a giant update at some point under video game dunkey’s publishing company.
Fantastic game, I still call it monolith! Though I think @PepperHeadGaming will agree, the upgrades don't change your play style, at all, it's hetic and you're constantly on the move with the dash bullet hell style, but the upgrades you're kinda chosing the one that fires the fastest with the most damage. REGARDLESS as a bullet hell game, one of my fave.
Wow, respect for the crazy effort that went into this video. One of the most comprehensive lists out there, for sure. I would really like to know your opinion/placement of In Celebration of Violence, also. And maybe Returnal.
Not having “The last Spell” and “Against the storm” on this tier list is criminal!! I have just liked you played rogues for an eternity and those two titles are my absolute favourite in their respective regard. If you haven’t played, you should! :) ❤
Hive Jump 2: Survivors has entered the fray! Adds Jetpack for more unique stage traversal across bespoke levels within a sci-fi aesthetic + Starship Trooper vibes!
I mostly agree with you, slay the spire being my lost played roguelike. But i think you should revisit and play Soulstone Survivor. The game is incredible and i feel like it did a lot of things better than Vampire Survivor gameplaywise. The skill having a lot of tag you can scale and build very different games. And since a few weeks/month they added a unique mechanics to every class and a skilltree to each character, so the meta progression is great. You also have the new rune system which add a lot of starting specializations with a lot of build defining runes. And you can combine all of this to have a great replayability ! It's done by a small team and they deserve some visibility, so go play it !
Vault of the Void is one of the best deckbuilder roguelikes with unique mechanics etc.! Your negative points mostly had nothing to do with the game itself but with the artstyle/graphics. Of course not every game is everyones cup of tea BUT then name your list accordingly aka as YOUR PERSONAL best!
Wow, I still don't totally know what a rogue-lite or rogue-likes are, but this was a pleasure to watch! Turns out I actually a handful of these games for free without realizing it (like from Epic & Amazon's weekly giveaways). I'm looking forward to watching your part 2!
Was surprised you didn't mention how wild and original the guns in Gunfire Reborn are, although i'm sure you appreciate it because of how much you like that game. That's one of its' strongest points for me because the gun you choose to use shapes the playstyle so signficantly.
Please bring more videos like this! This was definitely the best gaming tier list video I've ever seen, it kept me entertained until the end and showed me and informed me about a lot of new games
I love roguelikes, like A LOT, they are easily more than 50% of my steam library, and i came here not to see the popular ones (Isaac, STS, risk of rain, etc) But i love watching other roguelikes that i love that didn't get that much of attention being rated fairly high, like Moolighter, One step from eden and specially Wizard of legend, i love those games so much Great video
Love this video, Thank you for taking the time to put it all together. I have been in a roguelike mood lately, and been playing a lot of them but I hadn't heard of several games in your list that I am going to check out!
I have close to 7k hours into all the Isaac games and I still go back to it from time to time. With the mods that are constantly being released, the game just keeps getting better.
Great video! Sad to hear Spelunky isn't your thing. It's definitely my #1 roguelike spot along with Isaac. Perhaps you also played something from this list? If not, consider it as a recommendations. Not all of them are actually good, but pretty unique for my taste: AK-xolotl. Airheart Below Colt Canyon Crown Trick Dead End Job Dicey Dungeons Dreamscaper Gods will fall Frost Into the pit Nongunz Sea Salt Tainted Grail: Conquest The flame in the flood Vambrace: Cold Soul West of Dead
Oh thank you so very much for the recommendations. I am adding many games to my wishlist hoping to play most recommended Roguelikes before the end of the year. I’ll check those out ;)
Spelunky didn’t have the weak to overpowered fantasy that keeps me playing in this genre, I wish I could get into it or the sequel but it never feels rewarding to me 😢
Lolz you kept referencing your previous video "What Makes A Good Roguelike/Roguelite?" but it's cool you did because I saw that video first then this one so that helped in understanding where you were coming from in your rankings. I haven't played many rough-lite games and recently started astral ascent which I really enjoyed. Where you placed that game, I can agree with and that made the other games ranked more trustworthy and I agree with the list. I intend to try out the other games also on A-tier, so great job and I hope you continue the great content!
Thanks for the long video and the roguelike recommendations! I generally agree with a lot of the tierlist - I would put some games a few tiers higher or lower (especialy crypt of the necrodancer, vault of the void and rogue legacy 2), but it's all pretty sensible. For vault of the void it might be kind of hard to get into, but I think it does a lot to minimize the feeling of losing a run because you drew a bad hand or because you were not given the right stuff, and it's in my top 3 favorites of the genrea. The threat system is basically that enemies do damage to you 1 turn later than normal, giving you another hand to draw and plan. You are also able to discard cards in hand for energy, which makes planning a turn pretty fun while also meaning that if you had a bad hand you can just stock up energy for next turn. It also feels pretty unique that at any time before a fight you can change your deck to fit the fight, as it is always 20 cards but also always customizable. It is also the kind of game that can get really nuts with the damage and synergies if you know what you are doing. As for some games that weren't mentioned - I was surprised you haven't played nova drift yet, since even though it's still in early access it has a ton of content. It has some of the best build creation out of any roguelike imo (20 minutes til dawn took some inspiration from it). The void rains upon her heart is also one of the best roguelike shmup games currently out there (still 100% positive on steam right now!). Monolith is amazing in the same genrea too. Also, into the breach is a really well designed game and got a major update recently from the makers of FTL. Ziggurat 2 is also one of the best FPS roguelikes, it improved a lot on the first game. Slice and dice is a really amazing roguelike strategy game. On a personal note, Synthetik 1 is my favorite action roguelike of all time, it just feels amazing when you get into it. Lastly, OTXO is basically roguelike hotline miami.
great vid. skul the hero slayer is my favorite rogue-lite and i completely agree with what you said. ive played this game for such a long time and for so many hours and im still having fun with it. i think that the best thing about skul is that its starts as a rogue-lite but as you sink more time into the game and start to understand the ins and outs of it, it slowly becomes more of a sandbox rogue-lite. instead of trying to win you try to test new potential builds and get the strongest run possible. instead of just wanting to win you also want to win quickly and with style. and i believe that that is what makes the game so fun for such a long time
Another Rougelike that i think is great is Astrea: six-sided oracles. It is a tactical dicebuilder rougelike that got released last week. You have to balance risk in ways different than deckbuilders because of the inherent risk of dice. I can highly recommend.
This is such an excellent video. I learned about MANY new games that are going under the radar. Great work, thanks for putting so much time and energy into the community like this! :-)
great vid! some other games to consider on next tier list: alina of the arena, ember knights, beneath oresa, legend of Keepers, curse of the dead gods, darkest dungeon II, downfall - a slay the spire fan expansion, halls of torment, yet another zombie survivors, dome keeper
So surprised atomicrops isnt on here. Have you played it?? it was the most chaotic roguelite / like ive played (then i played voidigo) but i think its super fun and unique
Finally finished the video. Very solid list. The only one I disagree with is Peglin. I really want to like that game, but every time I play it it just makes me angry. Too much rng for my taste. You have to check Into the Breach if you haven't. That's a nice puzzle roguelike from the same dudes that made FTL if I remember correctly.
Have you played Into the Breach? I'm interested to know where it would land for you. For me it's probably landing in high A or S, and I typically prefer action over turn based games.
You are not the first to being that one up to me. I was even considering playing it before the Tier list but didn’t have the time. Definitely trying it out in the next few weeks.
Thanks for making this - watched the entire 3 hours. I'm a big roguelike/lite fan and learned about some new ones here to try out. Hades is my all-time favorite. Here are some that you should check out that I didn't see on your list - Darkest Dungeon 2, Ravenswatch, Wildfrost and Robo Quest.
You have some opinions that I definitely agree with. The vast majority of them, to be honest. I've kind of fallen of roguelite games specifically, I get tired of them starting you out so damn weak and trickle feeding you upgrades so that it'll take you a super long time to beat. But, I have played most of these and I appreciate you including SO MANY games.
It's the perfect way to do a tier list video, love it ! Across is a piece of art,with friends it was one of the game i playes the most ! If you like tower defense rogue lite, and if you haven't, try natti, it's really fun !
Haven't seen it recommended yet so id love to throw some love at Griftlands! Developed by Klei, its an excellent deck building roguelike with a strong story focus, unique art style, and a fun conversation card battle system that is fairly unique. Lots of fun!
I love rougelike and rougelite games, I love tier list videos, and I love long form youtube videos (seriously my favorite youtube video of all time is 3 and a half hours long, mgs4 was a mistake) so I have a feeling I am going to absolutely love this video.
Inscryption has way more than just the campaign. The side mode 'Kaycees' mod' is way more balanced than the main game and its pretty much the entire reason i have 100+ hours in the game. if you haven't checked out Kaycees' mod please do. its honestly brilliant.
A friend and i where playing a little nuclear throne drinking game. Everytime we would lose a coop round we had to drink a shot of rum. We didn't expect anything aside from playing worse and drinking more. But at one point we hit a magical sweetspot. We played so well we were not drinking for almost an hour. I love this game. And rougelikes in general. Let me choose one genre for the rest of my life and i would choose rougelikes.
Yes, I'm watching this whole video. I really appreciate your positivity and willingness to acknowledge personal biases and respect what devs were going for. I'm not a huge gamer but I do like rogue likes, and I enjoyed this vid so much that I'm basically going to be using it as my guide for buying new games! First stop: Peglin, and Revita
A bit late here but One Step From Eden is my favorite rougelike of all time! Honestly I'm not a super big fan of the genre and only a few really stick out to me, though something about the gameplay is incredibly smooth and the sfx (and soundtrack) are a complete eargasm. It's a lot of trial and error like you said but learning the spells and figuring out which ones you enjoy using or not and building your ideal deck through a run is super fun!
Great video and list! Most games that I have played from it I would rank more or less the same - in fact, the highest tiered out of these games that I've played (StS, Hades, Dead Cells, Inscryption) I have in my top 10 of all time AND in the same order... I have two extra recommendations for fans of roguelike deckbuilders that are not on this list: Cobalt Core and Griftlands. Cobalt Core takes a LOT from StS but with very different playstyles and the addition of 2D navigation. This is an easy high A-tier for me, probably just above Roguebook. GL is a heavily story-based deckbuilder where you can resolve conflict with either your combat or your negotiation deck. The one detail that makes this not A but B-tier for me: a run takes a bit too long, often 3+ hours, which stifles the replayability.
Great vid, enjoyed watching. Returnal is one of my favorite roguelikes. It’s more of a campaign style game, but like Hades you get more story for completing a run. There aren’t many 3rd person bullet hell shooters with AAA level visuals in the roguelike field.
Have you tried out deadlink? It’s a cyberpunk fps roguelite and it’s incredible with aesthetics, music and doomlike gameplay, also ravenswatch? By the same team who made curse of the dead gods with fantasy and folklore inspired characters with a big twist on their stories fighting off nightmares and revenants in a map where the time goes from day to night with big changes that occur when it happens as the clock tick downs towards your inevitable boss fight. Just 2 games I didn’t see on the list that I absolutely adore
I tried Ravenswatch when it first released and I was very not impressed. Might be one of those games that’s not good to play single player? Or maybe updates have helped?
Just a heads up, you called Tangledeep a "top-down strategy board roguelike". That's actually what roguelikes were back in the day and what us old gamers now have to call traditional roguelikes since everyone else hijacked the genre term. Tile-based, turn based RPGs. I highly recommend checking out some more like Caves of Qud or Tales of Maj'eyal, especially if you're working on a video about the definition of a roguelike.
Considering that Rogue (the game the genre is named after) was exactly that, a topdown strategy adventure, i agree with you. and i can also highly recommend Tales of Maj´eyal. one of the games that is pretty true to the gameplay the original Rogue was.
I've tried and failed to get into roguelikes several times. But over the last 2 weeks I've been binging the only RL to finally work for me: Wizard of Legend
I really appreciate your descriptions and explanations for your opinions. I've played the large majority of these games, and even when I disagreed, I definitely understood what caused you to have the opinion that you have. There were a few games that I haven't played that you talked highly of, so I'm excited to add those to my wishlist and keep an eye out for an upcoming sale! Also, the shuffling animation on Storybook Brawl is the most egregious animation. So slow.
No "dungeon of dreadmore"? ... cataclysm dark days ahead? Ancient domains of mystery? If you're making a rougelike tier list I'd expect to find Rouge on it. The game after the genre was named.
Shotgun King was made in a game jam, and was so well received that the developers continued to work on it to release it as a finished and more polished game, so its normal that its not to long.
Agreed, I’ve had this game recommended to me many times throughout the years and I’ve been eager to try it out, just haven’t found the time yet. Going to be trying it out on my steam deck in just a few weeks ;)
Was hoping to see brutal orchestra, it somewhat a really polished strategy roguelike. Great tier list so far ! I'll keep returning to this video to hear bit by bit your reviews !
Another fun FPS Rogue would be Roboquest!!! Version 1.0 is coming super soon, been playing with a friend since Beta and EA, and we both joined the play test, love the game
I do love Noita, and fully agree, What I think is my favorite moment is when I created a wand so powerful it could oneshot nearly anything, it did multiple damage types while casting a powerful spell every frame it collided with an enemy, and I could throw them out quite quickly. That on itself is not that special, however just as I beat one of the more annoying bosses, my wand ran out of mana, since some of the components where quite intensive, it does that a lot. However this time, it had just enough mana to cast all the relevant spells (about 500 or so mana) then however it lacked enough to cast the wand refresh (20 mana), so it dipped into the rest of the spells that where thrown on there randomly, mostly as storage. Turns out that the first castable spell (2 mana) is one that enables friendly fire in trade for damage. Of course this late game wand has 3 different ways to lock on targets, so I destroy the boss, with this wand I have been using for a good half hour now, and spontaneously explode. It took me a good 10 rewatches of the death replay and an hour of thinking before coming up with the idea that this is what happened. Noita 9/10, would not recommend to most people. the 40 min 2 hours or 2000 is a lie, I am at a comfortable 300 ish. Also shoutout to the very classic roguelike: Shattered pixel dungeon.
bro i love deadcells, but noita dificulty isn't ever close to enter the gungeon, noita is a WALK IN A PARK when you have one thing: KNOWLEDGE, i actly put noita above any game, but i totaly agree, when you don't know the tricks/tech you is just a litle insect, but learning will turn you into a ivunerable god, i love the game, but i was not able to see how this game is the pinacle of gaming is future... a physics roguelike, cud become a sandbox like minecraft, if one day someone create a sandbox survival with this physic quality but in 3D this game will MURDER all other games, will be a complete monopoly in the game industry, this isn't possible now with the tecnology of to day... but trust me, tecnology can change from water to wine in 5 years, if someone discover a super conductor we will have smartphones with quantun computers on it, there is also research of a new semiconductor that was areadly ben dicovered that can add 1000% more computing power to chips, they're seeking for cheaper substitute materials for this semiconductor, since the materials/elements of it to day cost a fortune
Good list, I shall definitely need to check out a few of these games. I played the demo of peglin before its release and enjoyed it but then forgot about it, I think I''ll need to pick it up. I am also wishlisting Inscryption based on your recommendation. The biggest difference for me was your rating of Crypt of the Necrodancer and Heroes of Hammerwatch. For various reasons these are both High A tier games on my list
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I just released a video on the topic, "why the definition of a Roguelike is so controversial." Check it out: th-cam.com/video/zOpfReqrq-0/w-d-xo.html
I'm looking forward to that video as someone who hates the definition of Roguelike as it spawned Roguelite and I feel like if we just redefined Roguelike we could finally drop the Roguelite term cause it's point is pretty much useless.
@@NeoCinnamon I just call proper roguelikes "traditional roguelikes" at this point. I'm still an old grump who believe that 95% of the games on this list are not roguelikes, but I can't be bothered with the argument anymore.
@@ataronchronon well you aren't wrong, most things nowadays are rougelites, I'd say 95% is a fair estimate. That's the issue, the subgenre to the genre has way more entries than that of the non subgenre.
Either we redefine what Roguelike is and call those that aren't roguelites, as you said proper or traditional rougelikes, and the rest is just roguelikes.
Or we make roguelikes the subgenre or something I don't know.
Nice list. One game that im surprised is missing from this list is: Griftlands. An excellent deckbuilder with a decent story. Love the doubledeck-aspect of the game and the challenges that it brings with the higher difficulty system. Check it out if you havent!
Next do roughlites
Crab Champions was actually made by THE SAME GUY that created Crab Rave, both the song and the music video, as a solo developer.
You happen it's current state of balancing?
It looks really fun, but this guy says last time he played it was pretty shotty
I remember hearing about it but I wasn’t sure.. Massive props to him, doing it all by himself. I will be checking it out again because I do think the game has great potential ;)
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@@nopizzawithoutpineappleit’s fun
@@nopizzawithoutpineapple I played a couple weeks ago and it was a lot more balanced and I really like it but I don't play it too often, but that's mostly because I have too many games and not because it's a bad game.
Came to argue with your thumbnail on Dead Cells being C tier, stayed for really engaging commentary and an in-depth ranking of several great games, only to then see the true placement. Well played.
timestamps, music and footage for every game on a THREE HOURS video is an insane ammount of effort. i wish i could sub 10 times
make a bunch of alt accounts
Great list, thanks for including Crab Champions- I completely agree with the placement, it's my first game and I've a LOT to improve on in pretty much every aspect before it can be in any way competitive- learning a lot with each update. I've made a large amount of balance changes for the next update that'll be out in the next month or so (I saw in another comment that you may check it out again so maybe worth holding off until that update is out before you do).
My original goal was to allow players to completely break the game with the right combinations but there are a lot of ways this can happen too easily so a lot of the most common power spikes are harder to get in this update: I still am on the side of allowing the game to be broken over a super balanced game (as I think it's just more fun) but there are many ways to do that more effectively than I'm doing now. Lots of content planned for the next few years, early days still!
P.S. Amazing work on your "What makes a good roguelike" video, you do a great job breaking down what makes the genre so good! I've been watching it on and off over the last few days and every section is packed with good stuff.
Thanks for the kind message! I’ve gotten back to the game and I must praise you for adding very impactful improvements through the updates. I always respect single developers, awesome job.
I’m currently working on a video series where I talk about the design process of certain Roguelikes with interviews from the developers and I think this game is a great example of constant learning and improving. If you’re interested, I might want to eventually reach out ;)
@@PepperHeadGamingAbsolutely interested, that sounds like a very cool idea.
Let me get the game into good shape and then it’ll be fun to explore the journey getting there 🦀
Sounds good. I’m finishing up a couple videos in the meantime. Feel free to reach out to me on Discord at Pepper Head Gaming. Looking forward to future updates ;) 🌶️
Make this happen!!
Hey noisestorm. I just want to let you know that my wife and I love crab champions and we look forward to every update. It is a really fun game for us to play as a couple. We also play risk of rain 2 and gunfire reborn, but we prefer crab champions because it is kind of a nice balance between the two. Anyways, we love what you're doing and look forward to the game's completion.
Usually, tier list videos are low to no effort content made by "big" streamers just to have something or by random people just to share their opinion.
This tier list video, however, is really high quality and can be a reference when looking for something new to play. Great work!
I would even call this a comprehensive list of worth to play roguelike/roguelite games. This is more than a tier list.
darkest dungeon is in B
@@DyonisX that's where it belongs. that series is too niche for the wider audiences that the S and A games are playing to.
Glazing is wild
@@BadCrabbBrotaron more than Darkest Dungeon? WTF is that?!!
That tier list was S tier
Kinda weird Don't starve is considered a roguelike just because of the permanent death that's like calling Minecraft hard mode a roguelike.
I actually agree. That’s when the Roguelike terms starts getting a bot twisted.. But it does "unfortunately" have the Roguelike tag on steam so I still felt like bringing it up. I probably should of mentioned it being a bit less of a Roguelike all things considered.
And randomly generated levels/enemies.. its def a roguelike
@@Shellll No.
@@Shellll Minecraft is also randomly generated lol
@@dramotarker1352 my favorite roguelike
Okay, I am one minute into the only video I have seen from you but I already love you since you put links to the music you use. This is amazing.
Guys belive Noita its instant SSS tier
Best roguelite cuz you have that much to learn for normal play and become GOD to play like a pro
1:10:35 fun fact, Hades has more than 20,000 separate voice lines spanning over 300,000 words, with Zagreus having a total of around 8,500 voice lines
Thank you so much for putting gameplay during the tier list, this is such a game changer and awsome inclusion!
The amount of effort put into this and your previous video is absolutely insane, definitely earned a sub from me
If you think you are wasting your time in this life, remember me, who watched all this, just to see actual rank of Tales of Majeyal.
You just like me fr
Watched the whole video and now I feel sorry for you 😂
This dude managed to make a video called "Ranking The Best DESIGNED Roguelikes", then includes exactly 1 roguelike game in the total list and then does not rank it. Hahahaha!
I actually enjoy the real roguelike games but it is a smaller market and this new wave of roguelites has messed with the definition of roguelike games as well. Because actual roguelike games are not as popular, most people don't seem to care about the abuse of the name. It does annoy me.
@@timm8998Yeah, I get your frustration. I’ve become used to it by now but the new “roguelikes” feel nothing like the original. Ragnarok on DOS was my favorite. :)
Yeah, my 1057hr in ToME are screaming...
Only 3k subs lmao, insane. You’re gonna have crazy growth i just know it. Quality videos man.
This feels like more of an objective list which felt nice, even with some games I like being lower your analysis I felt was very "fair" and I appreciate when people do lists like this to help broaden my knowledge of available roguelike games to try out in the future :)
What a video! And so under-rated. As an long time youtube lurker, this video is so nice to listen to, compare your experience, find recomendations and so on and so forth. Love the Darkest Dungeon review, hits hard...but I have to say, mods is THE thing that keeps DD fresh. New characters, items, rebalances and even regions. Still a violent experience...
Thanks a lot! Ah yeah I could imagine the modding community being pretty great for a game as such.. I might check that out ;)
I love the editing with clips of the gameplay and timestamps for these tier lists, this is how a tier list should be
Thank you so much for your thoroughness! Shame Crying Suns and Dicey Dungeons are not in the video though.
Slay the Spire was my first deckbuilding roguelike, which ended up becoming my all-time favorite genre. I put about 200 hours into it while it was in early access and about another 70 after it left early access. Then about another 150 into the super-expansive Downfall mod that essentially provides a brand new gameplay experience on-par with the base game. It gave me the into to discover other fantastic games in the genre like Meteorfall: Krumit's Tale, Dicey Dungeons, Wildfrost, Into the Breach, and Slice & Dice, all of which are in my top 100 all-time favorite games.
Despite its influence, I couldn't put Slay the Spire at the top of my list, as that honor has to go to Monster Train. While I totaled up around 400 hours into Slay the Spire including mods, Monster Train pulled me in for over 600 hours and still has my attention. It's one of the only roguelikes I can name that entices me to play it on its own without the thrill of progression. Perhaps more than any other game in its genre, it understands how important it is for a roguelike to have a dynamic early game that doesn't ask you to go through the motions until you reach the challenging part. Every part is the challenging part, and the finesse of the game's difficulty control is on the level of Hades.
Lol, we’re kind of the inverse. Ive played sts for over 600 hours and monster train closer to 300. I feel like when runs are doomed in monster train they’re a lot more tiresome, but I think the game has so many mechanics that the combinations and sheer replayability outmatch slay, yet at the same time I find slay’s gameplay loop more compelling and alluring.
how do you put so much time into slay the spire? i tried it for a while but it just made me mad when i had a good run and then i get bad luck
I agree with you. I appreciate both Slay the Spire and Vampire Survivors for what they've done and they were both undoubtedly S tier when they were released but since then the genres they established have added many new games to their number that just do more interesting things with the idea. Kind of like Lord of the Rings.
@@siri7005except that apart from Baldur's Gate, nothing has surpassed Lord of the Rings yet
@@futrecacao There's a ton of better fantasy stories out now than lord of the rings. lotr's biggest flaw is that is has absolutely horrendous pacing. The movies largely solve this but I was talking about the trilogy of books.
Baldur's Gate and LotR are not even the same category.
FYI, the true grandfather of roguelike deckbuilders is not Slay the Spire. Its actually Dream Quest. The guy behind it was such a design genius that he was instantly hired by blizzard afterwards to work on hearthstone. An insane guy, huge talent in design, mindblowing ideas. A literal masterpiece. Check it out. You will be surprised, even though the graphics are basic, the gameplay design and choices in it, the class variety is awe-inspiring and sublime to say the least. It will easily show you how slay the spire built upon it and got ideas from it. Of course slay the spire is the perfect evolution and game for the genre, but its nice to know the roots, when the roots are this amazing!
Oh, and dream quest is BRUTAL keep it in mind. If you think you have played hardcore roguelike deckbuilders, think again! I have done everything in slay the spire including all achievements and dream quest is still up to this day probably the most brutal one I have played and one I want to go back to. The true final boss is bonkers in that game! Cheers!
I did a quick Ctrl F for Dream Quest to see if anyone posted this because I was going to say the same thing. You can't talk about deckbuilders without talking about the genius of Peter Whalen.
It's funny because Hearthstone's very first Dungeon Run which Whalen worked on was what made me look for more games similar to that, and that lead me to Slay the Spire.
I find Hades to be really incredible and I played it all throughout early access from day one, but it’s lacking in the kind of long term replayability that games like Isaac, STS, and Gungeon have. Feels like once you’ve gotten through the story and leveled the weapon aspects that there’s really nothing left for you. You’re always fighting the same bosses, weapon aspects kind of lock you into a certain boon build path right from the jump, it’s always the same maps, and the limit of one weapon boon/one dash boon/etc. really hurts the crazy one more run to see what you can do feeling of other games. High A tier for me.
Agreed. The beauty of Hades is the action combat, but the systems behind the scenes are pretty barebones compared to say BOI which has so many variables that can alter a run at any given time. All Hades has is the weapons/buffs you go in with and the boons/upgrades you get during the run.
Imo, that lack of longevity keeps Hades out of the ‘best roguelike’ conversation.
@@Maskeroff.I’d say the story makes up for it. It’s def the best story out of all of these besides Inscryption
Agreed.
I feel like I'm really missing something in your comment -- you do know about Hades' heat system, right? It's also a game, like he mentioned, that many people speedrun. It has a ton of replayability after beating the final boss. Haelian is a perfect example of someone who continues to milk Hades for content.
The interesting thing about Darkest Dungeon is that it's actually easier to list the things you cannot control than it is to list the things you can control. The key to success is just game knowledge and once you have it it is quite easy to complete the game deathless consistently.
The issue is that a lot of the information on various mechanics are buried in change logs or in the game files themselves which means that a lot of people don't get to see how everything works which makes the game feel more random. The nice thing is that the community as a whole has done a lot of work moving this information onto various wikis and hubs for the game. There are also many comprehensive community guides that cumulatively cover the entire game and all DLC, which is part of the reason that the game is still alive years later.
Darkest dungeon suffers a lot from progression, losing your heroes sucks, and some of the design choices feel really bad. But overall you can easily change your experience using some Quality of life mods. Definitely one of my favorite games, but only if it has some mods.
I don’t really see why DD is considered a roguelike outside of rng’d room encounters
It’s the same feeling as trying to call XCOM a roguelike… just.. no lol.
For the few games in this list that I have played personally:
1:01 - 20 Minutes Till Down is indeed a middle-of-the-road game. Very enjoyable to play for a bit, but doesn't have much to set it apart. It's just your average solid roguelike.
2:13 - I'm surprised Across The Obelisk managed to reach A tier, especially since this is judged from a singleplayer perspective. I'm definitely not complaining that it's so high, I really love the game myself, but while playing it alone, I always wished I had more people to play it with, because managing 4 decks of cards on my own felt pretty overwhelming
7:51 - Backpack Hero has a pretty neat concept, but I noticed myself getting bored with the game pretty quickly and I didn't even know there were different characters in the game until I watched this video. So yeah, C-tier does reflect my own experience with the game
36:03 - I'm surprised Darkest Dungeon is on this list, but the second game isn't. The second game is structured like a roguelike, meanwhile the first game is more of a campaign, the closest thing it has to the roguelike genre is the random levels and enemies. But yeah, the RNG during fights really holds this game back, and the cycle of playing for a few hours, leaving for a year and then coming back is very recognizable. I'd probably have put it in A-tier, but I do think B tier is perfectly reasonable.
58:55 - FTL is really good, I agree that mods shouldn't be taken into account when ranking the game, but it's really hard not to take the multiverse mod into account as it feels really vanilla, and manages to expand on it a bunch. I'm tempted to put the base game in S as well, but it probably does belong in A tier, but if you can take the multiverse mod into account, it's an easy S-tier.
1:09:30 - Hades is S-tier no question. Voice acting, Visuals, Gameplay, Story and Characters, this game manages to excel in all of them. This is a "Jack of all traits, Master of ALL".
1:18:08 - I don't think I can really say much more about Inscryption than you've already said, because I really shouldn't spoil this game. Kaycee's Mod is worth mentioning tho, which, despite having "mod" in the name, is made by the devs, and allows you to enjoy the roguelike aspect of the game, without progressing the story. Inscryption as a whole does deserve S-tier, but not because it's a good roguelike, just because it's a good game.
1:20:28 - Loop hero gains extra points in my eyes for having very unique mechanics and executing them really well. I also love the music of the game. For me, it's definitely A-tier, and it's the first game where I do disagree with the placement on this list (but I do understand why it's placed in B-tier).
1:36:41 - I'm surprised Noita didn't make it to S-tier, it just has so much going for it. Secrets, depth, replay value, interesting concept. Noita has it all.
1:42:40 - Whenever I see One Step From Eden, I get a warm, fuzzy feeling inside. Thinking about the game just always makes me happy, yet, there is no way I'd ever put it higher than the B-tier. It's weird how connected I feel to the game despite having played it way less than most other roguelikes, and me generally not being a fan of fast-paced games. The game has very good music, which is probably why Violet is one of my favorite bosses in all of gaming. Her moves follow the beat of the music, and her boss theme sounds amazing.
1:48:12 - Wow, I'm really surprised to see Peglin in S-tier. To be fair, I've played a lot of Peglin myself as well and I have to admit that the concept just works. But still, S-tier?! Saying it's a random S-tier is very accurate. I really can't justify putting it higher than A tier for myself, because, unlike the other S-tiers, I really can't say this one is a masterpiece. But I can respect it, the game is quite addicting.
2:03:52 - My thoughts on Rogue Tower are exactly the same. I love tower defense, I love roguelike, this game combines the 2 and has so much potential, but the tower upgrades don't feel very special. Also, small correction: you said it's a roguelike rather than a roguelite, but it has a bunch of permantent upgrades you can spend your money on in-between runs, so it definitely is a roguelite and I doubt it's beatable on your first run.
2:21:15 - Shotgun King has an interesting concept, and it was fun for 1 run, but I got bored of the game extremely quickly and this is the only roguelike I've ever ended up refunding. D-tier for me. If you want a chess-based roguelike, I'd recommend The Ouroboros King. It more closely follows the rules of chess and has more variety than shotgun king does.
2:29:01 - Ah yes, the classic, Slay The Spire. While I wouldn't put it above Hades personally, it's just a really solid, well-balanced, deckbuilding roguelike and the game that most new deckbuilding roguelikes base themselves on.
2:58:02 - Vampire Survivors has no right being this good, just unlocking everything in the game gives you hours of content, and that's not even taking into account all the secrets. It has popularized the genre that's currently known as "bullet heaven" where instead of the enemies sending so many bullets at you that it's a hell to dodge, instead you're the one who is sending a bunch of bullets everywhere to keep yourself safe from the enemy. This honestly deserves an S-tier in my eyes.
3:07:12 - I'm surprised to see Wildermyth on the list, as it can barely be considered a roguelike. I personally really like the game and would put it in A-tier, but not because it's a good roguelike, rather because it's just a good game. It'd be S-tier if it had more than just 3 very basic classes. To be fair, these classes can be pushed in different directions that play quite differently from each other, but whenever you get a new character, they always feel same-ey and you need to invest in them before they get their own unique playstyle.
-Tiny Rogues is receiving a HUGE update on december, that will TRIPLE the content that is already in the game. The dev said yesterday that the amount of items in the game will go from 150 to 500; he's also adding alternative levels for each existing level, and a new set of secret levels that you can go after you beat the final boss, all new levels with their new respective bosses and enemies. If that was not enough, he said this update would be 0.2v or so, so if you trust in this dev's commitment (he's certainly hard-working), this would only be about 20-25% of the full game, which is an insane perspective.
-Revita's dev recently announced on Twitter the update is no longer happening, apparently because of lack of support from its publisher or something related with hard-to-meet deadlines and so.
-Another simple game with a ton of content (and it's about 70% completed in early access) is The Void Rains Upon Her Heart, a bullet hell shmup roguelite with an insane amount of achivements. Def one of my faves
-Monolith is another recomendation, that I've seen commented already. Def one of the bests if you, again, like bullet hell/shumps. It has an update in the works for quite some time now, and maybe even a future DLC planned.
Great video, never seen a ranking go into so much detail and I’m excited to try these games on my new steam deck!
Great list and explanations! a few I would recommend to check out off the list are Synthetik Legion Rising, We Who Are About to Die, Mortal Glory, Otxo, Trials of Fire, and Doomsday Hunters!
Awesome, thanks for the recommendations, I always love adding more to my wishlist ;)
This is honestly really awesome and i appreciate making a tier list with so many games! A lot of these look really interesting and i kind of wanna try them out ngl. I never would've discovered them without this honestly! Great job.
Crab champions in C tier? you gotta try it again, its had a few major updates and I think the issues you addressed have been mostly fixed, its a high B now imo
That’s great to hear. Definitely going to give it an other try!
Really surprised monolith (now rebranded as star of providence) isn’t on here. It’s got an overwhelmingly positive rating and is in my opinion one of the best out there. It’s also getting a giant update at some point under video game dunkey’s publishing company.
I’ve heard that one before… Added to the wishlist ;)
Fantastic game, I still call it monolith! Though I think @PepperHeadGaming will agree, the upgrades don't change your play style, at all, it's hetic and you're constantly on the move with the dash bullet hell style, but the upgrades you're kinda chosing the one that fires the fastest with the most damage. REGARDLESS as a bullet hell game, one of my fave.
Yeah Monolith is amazing!
This tier list is of the highest quality. Please, please make these every 3-6 months with updates on existing games as well as new ones. Subbed.
why did tales of maj'eyal dissappear from your list (between sundered 2 and tangledeep)?
Nice video!
Also add "Dungreed Soundtrack - 16. Towngreed" to the music used list, drove me mad till I remembered where it was from.
Wow, respect for the crazy effort that went into this video. One of the most comprehensive lists out there, for sure. I would really like to know your opinion/placement of In Celebration of Violence, also. And maybe Returnal.
Not having “The last Spell” and “Against the storm” on this tier list is criminal!! I have just liked you played rogues for an eternity and those two titles are my absolute favourite in their respective regard. If you haven’t played, you should! :) ❤
Have you seen the video upload date?
Hive Jump 2: Survivors has entered the fray! Adds Jetpack for more unique stage traversal across bespoke levels within a sci-fi aesthetic + Starship Trooper vibes!
I mostly agree with you, slay the spire being my lost played roguelike.
But i think you should revisit and play Soulstone Survivor.
The game is incredible and i feel like it did a lot of things better than Vampire Survivor gameplaywise.
The skill having a lot of tag you can scale and build very different games.
And since a few weeks/month they added a unique mechanics to every class and a skilltree to each character, so the meta progression is great.
You also have the new rune system which add a lot of starting specializations with a lot of build defining runes.
And you can combine all of this to have a great replayability !
It's done by a small team and they deserve some visibility, so go play it !
Great vid dude. Just watched this whole thing and bought 5 games on winter sale lol. Very excited!
Vault of the Void is one of the best deckbuilder roguelikes with unique mechanics etc.!
Your negative points mostly had nothing to do with the game itself but with the artstyle/graphics.
Of course not every game is everyones cup of tea BUT then name your list accordingly aka as YOUR PERSONAL best!
Wow, I still don't totally know what a rogue-lite or rogue-likes are, but this was a pleasure to watch! Turns out I actually a handful of these games for free without realizing it (like from Epic & Amazon's weekly giveaways). I'm looking forward to watching your part 2!
Brotato on A tier and spelunky 1 and 2 on B and C tier, what a big skill issue
Very happy to hear you give dungreed a good word, my favourite roguelite and deserves more attention
Was surprised you didn't mention how wild and original the guns in Gunfire Reborn are, although i'm sure you appreciate it because of how much you like that game. That's one of its' strongest points for me because the gun you choose to use shapes the playstyle so signficantly.
Please bring more videos like this! This was definitely the best gaming tier list video I've ever seen, it kept me entertained until the end and showed me and informed me about a lot of new games
I love roguelikes, like A LOT, they are easily more than 50% of my steam library, and i came here not to see the popular ones (Isaac, STS, risk of rain, etc)
But i love watching other roguelikes that i love that didn't get that much of attention being rated fairly high, like Moolighter, One step from eden and specially Wizard of legend, i love those games so much
Great video
The chapters you put on the video are really usefull, I apreciate a lot the work you put in it
Love this video, Thank you for taking the time to put it all together. I have been in a roguelike mood lately, and been playing a lot of them but I hadn't heard of several games in your list that I am going to check out!
I have close to 7k hours into all the Isaac games and I still go back to it from time to time. With the mods that are constantly being released, the game just keeps getting better.
Great video! Sad to hear Spelunky isn't your thing. It's definitely my #1 roguelike spot along with Isaac.
Perhaps you also played something from this list? If not, consider it as a recommendations. Not all of them are actually good, but pretty unique for my taste:
AK-xolotl.
Airheart
Below
Colt Canyon
Crown Trick
Dead End Job
Dicey Dungeons
Dreamscaper
Gods will fall
Frost
Into the pit
Nongunz
Sea Salt
Tainted Grail: Conquest
The flame in the flood
Vambrace: Cold Soul
West of Dead
Oh thank you so very much for the recommendations. I am adding many games to my wishlist hoping to play most recommended Roguelikes before the end of the year. I’ll check those out ;)
Spelunky didn’t have the weak to overpowered fantasy that keeps me playing in this genre, I wish I could get into it or the sequel but it never feels rewarding to me 😢
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Lolz you kept referencing your previous video "What Makes A Good Roguelike/Roguelite?" but it's cool you did because I saw that video first then this one so that helped in understanding where you were coming from in your rankings. I haven't played many rough-lite games and recently started astral ascent which I really enjoyed. Where you placed that game, I can agree with and that made the other games ranked more trustworthy and I agree with the list. I intend to try out the other games also on A-tier, so great job and I hope you continue the great content!
Just saw what makes a great roguelike last night, and look a new upload!
Thanks for the long video and the roguelike recommendations! I generally agree with a lot of the tierlist - I would put some games a few tiers higher or lower (especialy crypt of the necrodancer, vault of the void and rogue legacy 2), but it's all pretty sensible.
For vault of the void it might be kind of hard to get into, but I think it does a lot to minimize the feeling of losing a run because you drew a bad hand or because you were not given the right stuff, and it's in my top 3 favorites of the genrea. The threat system is basically that enemies do damage to you 1 turn later than normal, giving you another hand to draw and plan. You are also able to discard cards in hand for energy, which makes planning a turn pretty fun while also meaning that if you had a bad hand you can just stock up energy for next turn. It also feels pretty unique that at any time before a fight you can change your deck to fit the fight, as it is always 20 cards but also always customizable. It is also the kind of game that can get really nuts with the damage and synergies if you know what you are doing.
As for some games that weren't mentioned - I was surprised you haven't played nova drift yet, since even though it's still in early access it has a ton of content. It has some of the best build creation out of any roguelike imo (20 minutes til dawn took some inspiration from it). The void rains upon her heart is also one of the best roguelike shmup games currently out there (still 100% positive on steam right now!). Monolith is amazing in the same genrea too. Also, into the breach is a really well designed game and got a major update recently from the makers of FTL. Ziggurat 2 is also one of the best FPS roguelikes, it improved a lot on the first game. Slice and dice is a really amazing roguelike strategy game. On a personal note, Synthetik 1 is my favorite action roguelike of all time, it just feels amazing when you get into it. Lastly, OTXO is basically roguelike hotline miami.
This is ultimate guide to what to play in this genre, thanx for time and effort you put in this!
great vid. skul the hero slayer is my favorite rogue-lite and i completely agree with what you said. ive played this game for such a long time and for so many hours and im still having fun with it. i think that the best thing about skul is that its starts as a rogue-lite but as you sink more time into the game and start to understand the ins and outs of it, it slowly becomes more of a sandbox rogue-lite. instead of trying to win you try to test new potential builds and get the strongest run possible. instead of just wanting to win you also want to win quickly and with style. and i believe that that is what makes the game so fun for such a long time
Your last video was really good, excited to watch this
I seriously love this tier list, great vid! I’m subscribed
Another Rougelike that i think is great is Astrea: six-sided oracles. It is a tactical dicebuilder rougelike that got released last week. You have to balance risk in ways different than deckbuilders because of the inherent risk of dice. I can highly recommend.
Best new one in recent times
This was an absolutely epic video and I added six games to my wishlist. Thumbs up and subbed! I think I will love this channel.
😂😂😂 the thumbnail bated me. Good job
This is such an excellent video. I learned about MANY new games that are going under the radar. Great work, thanks for putting so much time and energy into the community like this! :-)
there are a lot of roguelike tierlist, but i loved this one, and i feel it's the closest to my own tastes
great vid! some other games to consider on next tier list: alina of the arena, ember knights, beneath oresa, legend of Keepers, curse of the dead gods, darkest dungeon II, downfall - a slay the spire fan expansion, halls of torment, yet another zombie survivors, dome keeper
Downfall I certainly wouldn't count. It's just an unofficial expansion as part of STS anyway.
So surprised atomicrops isnt on here. Have you played it?? it was the most chaotic roguelite / like ive played (then i played voidigo) but i think its super fun and unique
i was thinking this too! i loveee atomicrops
A 3 hours tier list video? Sign me up, I know what I'll be watching for the next days, haha
Finally finished the video. Very solid list. The only one I disagree with is Peglin. I really want to like that game, but every time I play it it just makes me angry. Too much rng for my taste.
You have to check Into the Breach if you haven't. That's a nice puzzle roguelike from the same dudes that made FTL if I remember correctly.
Have you played Into the Breach? I'm interested to know where it would land for you. For me it's probably landing in high A or S, and I typically prefer action over turn based games.
You are not the first to being that one up to me. I was even considering playing it before the Tier list but didn’t have the time. Definitely trying it out in the next few weeks.
Thanks for making this - watched the entire 3 hours. I'm a big roguelike/lite fan and learned about some new ones here to try out. Hades is my all-time favorite. Here are some that you should check out that I didn't see on your list - Darkest Dungeon 2, Ravenswatch, Wildfrost and Robo Quest.
I guess it’s fair to place Wizards where you did, as you would’ve had to change the ENTIRE tier list layout to make room for an S+++++ category.
You have some opinions that I definitely agree with. The vast majority of them, to be honest. I've kind of fallen of roguelite games specifically, I get tired of them starting you out so damn weak and trickle feeding you upgrades so that it'll take you a super long time to beat. But, I have played most of these and I appreciate you including SO MANY games.
I would love yo see your opinion/a review on death road to canada, if you're looking for new roguelikes right now i would 100% recommend it!
It's the perfect way to do a tier list video, love it !
Across is a piece of art,with friends it was one of the game i playes the most !
If you like tower defense rogue lite, and if you haven't, try natti, it's really fun !
Haven't seen it recommended yet so id love to throw some love at Griftlands! Developed by Klei, its an excellent deck building roguelike with a strong story focus, unique art style, and a fun conversation card battle system that is fairly unique. Lots of fun!
Agreed i played all 3 characters and i can honestly say griftlands is a much more fleshed out and better than slay the spire version
griftlands is great, had some hype but when it came out the hype died down fast.
Have you checked out Nordic Ashes yet? I'm having a lot of fun with it as I try to unlock everything and fill out their passive tree.
Bro, keep up your good youtube work. I love you videos very much. I've already bought a lot of games based on your recommendation, great.
I love rougelike and rougelite games, I love tier list videos, and I love long form youtube videos (seriously my favorite youtube video of all time is 3 and a half hours long, mgs4 was a mistake) so I have a feeling I am going to absolutely love this video.
why does this video have so many dislikes? This is a very solid tierlist, and has a lot of information in each game. New sub!
How do you see the dislikes?
Love seeing DC and RoR2 land in S-tier. Imo, they’re the genre’s peak.
Inscryption has way more than just the campaign. The side mode 'Kaycees' mod' is way more balanced than the main game and its pretty much the entire reason i have 100+ hours in the game. if you haven't checked out Kaycees' mod please do. its honestly brilliant.
Yeah, the main campaign is misplaced on purpose for story reasons. But Kaycee's Mod has been balanced as a proper deck builder and it is so good.
A friend and i where playing a little nuclear throne drinking game. Everytime we would lose a coop round we had to drink a shot of rum.
We didn't expect anything aside from playing worse and drinking more.
But at one point we hit a magical sweetspot. We played so well we were not drinking for almost an hour.
I love this game.
And rougelikes in general.
Let me choose one genre for the rest of my life and i would choose rougelikes.
Peglin is so good. It just turn your brain into klick klack goblin mode
Agreed but would you really put it S-tier?
Yes, I'm watching this whole video. I really appreciate your positivity and willingness to acknowledge personal biases and respect what devs were going for. I'm not a huge gamer but I do like rogue likes, and I enjoyed this vid so much that I'm basically going to be using it as my guide for buying new games! First stop: Peglin, and Revita
One I've been enjoying recently is Ember Knights... a fun co-op Roguelike
A bit late here but One Step From Eden is my favorite rougelike of all time! Honestly I'm not a super big fan of the genre and only a few really stick out to me, though something about the gameplay is incredibly smooth and the sfx (and soundtrack) are a complete eargasm. It's a lot of trial and error like you said but learning the spells and figuring out which ones you enjoy using or not and building your ideal deck through a run is super fun!
Great video and list! Most games that I have played from it I would rank more or less the same - in fact, the highest tiered out of these games that I've played (StS, Hades, Dead Cells, Inscryption) I have in my top 10 of all time AND in the same order...
I have two extra recommendations for fans of roguelike deckbuilders that are not on this list: Cobalt Core and Griftlands.
Cobalt Core takes a LOT from StS but with very different playstyles and the addition of 2D navigation. This is an easy high A-tier for me, probably just above Roguebook.
GL is a heavily story-based deckbuilder where you can resolve conflict with either your combat or your negotiation deck. The one detail that makes this not A but B-tier for me: a run takes a bit too long, often 3+ hours, which stifles the replayability.
Great vid, enjoyed watching. Returnal is one of my favorite roguelikes. It’s more of a campaign style game, but like Hades you get more story for completing a run. There aren’t many 3rd person bullet hell shooters with AAA level visuals in the roguelike field.
Amazing visual
Really good video!!! Thank you! It's nice to see someone excited about the games they're talking about
Have you tried out deadlink? It’s a cyberpunk fps roguelite and it’s incredible with aesthetics, music and doomlike gameplay, also ravenswatch? By the same team who made curse of the dead gods with fantasy and folklore inspired characters with a big twist on their stories fighting off nightmares and revenants in a map where the time goes from day to night with big changes that occur when it happens as the clock tick downs towards your inevitable boss fight. Just 2 games I didn’t see on the list that I absolutely adore
Both great recommendations, deadlink is a lot of fun and Ravenswatch is a great game to play with friends and just try different strategies
I tried Ravenswatch when it first released and I was very not impressed. Might be one of those games that’s not good to play single player? Or maybe updates have helped?
@@Wraiven22 Could just be a matter of taste, it is definitely more fun with friends, but still pretty enjoyable solo
Awesome video dude, I'm gonna check out Peglin, Dungreed and Gunfire Reborn which I were not aware of before.
Just a heads up, you called Tangledeep a "top-down strategy board roguelike". That's actually what roguelikes were back in the day and what us old gamers now have to call traditional roguelikes since everyone else hijacked the genre term. Tile-based, turn based RPGs. I highly recommend checking out some more like Caves of Qud or Tales of Maj'eyal, especially if you're working on a video about the definition of a roguelike.
Considering that Rogue (the game the genre is named after) was exactly that, a topdown strategy adventure, i agree with you. and i can also highly recommend Tales of Maj´eyal. one of the games that is pretty true to the gameplay the original Rogue was.
I've tried and failed to get into roguelikes several times. But over the last 2 weeks I've been binging the only RL to finally work for me: Wizard of Legend
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I really appreciate your descriptions and explanations for your opinions. I've played the large majority of these games, and even when I disagreed, I definitely understood what caused you to have the opinion that you have. There were a few games that I haven't played that you talked highly of, so I'm excited to add those to my wishlist and keep an eye out for an upcoming sale!
Also, the shuffling animation on Storybook Brawl is the most egregious animation. So slow.
No "dungeon of dreadmore"? ... cataclysm dark days ahead? Ancient domains of mystery? If you're making a rougelike tier list I'd expect to find Rouge on it. The game after the genre was named.
Exactly, this video is leaning HARD on the Roguelike term here. Most of these are barely even Roguelites themself
Shotgun King was made in a game jam, and was so well received that the developers continued to work on it to release it as a finished and more polished game, so its normal that its not to long.
Those are the kinds of stories I love to hear. Great job on the developers!
@@PepperHeadGaming have you ever played WazHack by any chance?
Into the breach is also a very fun game that could be considered to be a kind of rougelike
Agreed, I’ve had this game recommended to me many times throughout the years and I’ve been eager to try it out, just haven’t found the time yet. Going to be trying it out on my steam deck in just a few weeks ;)
Was hoping to see brutal orchestra, it somewhat a really polished strategy roguelike. Great tier list so far ! I'll keep returning to this video to hear bit by bit your reviews !
Another fun FPS Rogue would be Roboquest!!! Version 1.0 is coming super soon, been playing with a friend since Beta and EA, and we both joined the play test, love the game
I do love Noita, and fully agree,
What I think is my favorite moment is when I created a wand so powerful it could oneshot nearly anything, it did multiple damage types while casting a powerful spell every frame it collided with an enemy, and I could throw them out quite quickly.
That on itself is not that special, however just as I beat one of the more annoying bosses, my wand ran out of mana, since some of the components where quite intensive, it does that a lot. However this time, it had just enough mana to cast all the relevant spells (about 500 or so mana) then however it lacked enough to cast the wand refresh (20 mana), so it dipped into the rest of the spells that where thrown on there randomly, mostly as storage. Turns out that the first castable spell (2 mana) is one that enables friendly fire in trade for damage. Of course this late game wand has 3 different ways to lock on targets, so I destroy the boss, with this wand I have been using for a good half hour now, and spontaneously explode.
It took me a good 10 rewatches of the death replay and an hour of thinking before coming up with the idea that this is what happened.
Noita 9/10, would not recommend to most people.
the 40 min 2 hours or 2000 is a lie, I am at a comfortable 300 ish.
Also shoutout to the very classic roguelike: Shattered pixel dungeon.
Voidigo is so well designed. Glad it’s on here.
Watched this while playing slay the spire :>
Really good ranking list, not just for the ranking but as a nice overview of what's out there too!
bro i love deadcells, but noita dificulty isn't ever close to enter the gungeon, noita is a WALK IN A PARK when you have one thing: KNOWLEDGE, i actly put noita above any game, but i totaly agree, when you don't know the tricks/tech you is just a litle insect, but learning will turn you into a ivunerable god, i love the game, but i was not able to see how this game is the pinacle of gaming is future... a physics roguelike, cud become a sandbox like minecraft, if one day someone create a sandbox survival with this physic quality but in 3D this game will MURDER all other games, will be a complete monopoly in the game industry, this isn't possible now with the tecnology of to day... but trust me, tecnology can change from water to wine in 5 years, if someone discover a super conductor we will have smartphones with quantun computers on it, there is also research of a new semiconductor that was areadly ben dicovered that can add 1000% more computing power to chips, they're seeking for cheaper substitute materials for this semiconductor, since the materials/elements of it to day cost a fortune
Good list, I shall definitely need to check out a few of these games. I played the demo of peglin before its release and enjoyed it but then forgot about it, I think I''ll need to pick it up. I am also wishlisting Inscryption based on your recommendation. The biggest difference for me was your rating of Crypt of the Necrodancer and Heroes of Hammerwatch. For various reasons these are both High A tier games on my list