Batman Should Just Give His Money Away - The Worst Batman Take Ever
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- I've been noticing a resurgence of this really bad take when it comes to DC Comics and Batman himself that Bruce Wayne is a selfish obsessed man unwilling to give away money to charity and help Gotham City the normal way. I wanted to take a few minutes today to talk about why this claim is utterly ridiculous. #batman #dccomics #superhero
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The "Batman should just give his money away" take is right up there with "Batman should just kill x/y/z" in the league of "frustrating and annoying and woefully ignorant surface level takes on the character from people who clearly don't actually give a shit or actually pay attention to anything he's in"
Exactly
Why does this comment say two hours ago, but the video is only one…are you a time traveler?
Fucking exactly. As a batman fan, superheroes and all things nerd and beyond since I was 2 years old this thing makes me angry.
ikr, he's literally a philanthropist in most of his recent iterations.
Hear, hear! (Other members of the league are "Robin is useless," "Aquaman is lame," and "Superman is boring; he's nothing but his powers and he's never had a single self-doubt or real challenge."
Something else with the Nolan trilogy, in rises one of the major plot points Is that Bruce practically bankrupted His company to build an advanced nuclear reactor (which was later turned into a nuke) to provide clean energy for the city
Also doesn’t he donate his manor to be used as a foster home?
@@Jdmking-kp1mu the the DC version of the mutants would move in lol… nah we know that’s currently place of the teen Titans totally
@@Mexican20067 fun fact :the titan tower is an old Wayne tower
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 damn I never knew that facts m, that’s interesting thanks! 👍
@@Mexican20067 yup, if I'm not wrong. I suggest you to make more deep reaserch by the way.
I'm surprised no one has pointed this out, but "The Batman" (2022) recently just addressed this issue.
Spoilers Below:
In the movie, Bruce found out his father Thomas set up a fund with millions/billions of dollars and purposefully removed as much bureaucratic red-tape as possible so that he could easily invest that money into either infrastructure or charity work when he became mayor. However, his untimely death and the lack of oversight allowed multiple high-ranking government officials and crime-bosses to embezzle the money for years.
This basically shows that Bruce just can't throw his money around without a careful plan because if he does, it's very easy for someone to embezzle or misuse said money.
Yeah a ton of people forget that not every "philanthropic" or "charity" are inherently altruistic. MANY are very corrupt both in fiction and IRL.
I actually thought of that when I saw the video title. If Gotham could be fixed with philanthropy a $1billion fund would have done it. That is an obscene amount of money.
@@Oriansenshi Well maybe the fund could have worked if there was the oversight Thomas decided to avoid.
I'm actually kind of shocked that you and a bunch of other people actually needed the movie to explain that to you.
Gotham in general is so corrupt that any money you spend will be embaseled by so many corrupt politicians and crime bosses that at the end the people who need it will see barely anything.
In the same movie the wayne orphanage went to shit as soon as the Wayne's died because they could not prevent corruption from taking over.
Honestly Batman is probably one of the most generous people in the DC universe. I know that’s weird to say because he’s very rough around the edges but this guy has probably collectively thrown away the majority of his parents fortune trying to help his city both as Batman and as Bruce Wayne.
Help the world and beyond
It’s like Amanda Waller said, there is no one who cared for his fellow man more than Bruce Wayne.
It’s such a “oh I’m trying to sound smarter than I am cause I don’t actually understand Bruce Wayne/Batman but imma do some hot take to make me seem intelligent” kind of argument
Yep a pointless debate
Yup
@@Koluvuma exactly
The people who say this are the same people who say "Why doesn't Batman just kill Joker?" They clearly don't actually read the comics, because there are a million examples of him doing this. I remember one comic where Bruce Wayne offered a job at WayneTech to a ton of Penguin goons.
And, like you said, these people assume all Gotham needs is a generous philanthropist. That's just not true. The entire reason that Bruce became Batman was because Gotham needs more than a generous philanthropist.
Here’s a problem with this: People don’t want to read stories and watch films about him giving away money, they want to see him solve crimes and punch people. Taking away his vigilante identity is taking away many stories
One of my favorite batman stories, white knight incorporates well this idea of bruce helping. With the batman fund he repays for every destruction caused while fighting criminals, and sure it can be abused by rich people, but if he wasn't there who would do it?
@@docomega7862 Logically though Bruce is still a mortal man(at least usually lol), he wont always be around to manage such a fund and keep it on the straight and narrow, and cant totally guarantee that a good potential replacement would be able to remain either. You should take a read through Batman Beyond White Knight
@@asimhussain8716 like in the Injustice story?
Agreed. Obviously, this side of the character gets less attention because this is the superhero genre, so the writers know what we're here. However, they have made a point to provide us with numerous examples of these far less exciting, but just as important, ways of helping Gotham.
I was actually playing Origins recently and one of the talks with Alfred is about how Bruce Wayne donates to charities. A truck of toys went to children.
People the critique comic characters off surface level observations should stay the fuck away from them. Comic industry is down in the toilet due to all these people who don’t know the characters giving input.
kinda what happens when the most popular way of writing batman is in a grimdark way. people write how batman is externally, but miss how batman is internally
The thing about Batman as an idea is that it only works when he’s both Bruce Wayne the philanthropist and the vigilante. That’s what made The Batman so good to me. Bruce wasn’t having an effect on crime and things only got worse due to him completely neglecting the Bruce Wayne persona. Because while Batman can stop crime momentarily and is a necessity to save lives, Bruce Wayne can use his money and power to fix Gotham’s broken institutions. He can’t just do one or the other he has to be both. I think that’s what makes Batman so interesting to me
Batman is one of the most misunderstood characters because people don’t actually read the damn comics. Also the people who say things like “he should give away his wealth” would immediately squander it had they been given that money.
Bruce can only help Gotham so much by throwing money at its problems. The city is such a sh*thole, it needs the Batman too.
Also misunderstood in how people think that he needs to just be Punisher dressed as a bat. That's one of the things the 2022 movie got right, the fact that Batman is the type of person to both kick in the teeth of people who need it, as well as consoling a child who just lost their parent(s) to a crime. Batman may come off as a grouchy hardass, but he's extremely empathetic.
The worst thing is when you point out all the times he donates to charities and invests in the city, and they just start screeching about how those charities supposedly don't work. As though Batman is stupid enough to invest in dead end charities.
By dead end charities, they mean they aren't Marxist enough.
Because "using money to give the government greater control over your lives, is the true meaning of philanthropy."
I stopped listening to these loonies years ago.
I think its somewhat hypocritical that ppl try to call out Bruce Wayne but don’t have the same energy for Tony Stark or any other rich superhero on that level of wealth like the same arguments could apply to Stark if u tried
Tony applied his finances to clean energy projects and college funds.
I haven't seen those Iron Man movies in a while.
I remember a line from the first Iron Man movie. Tony was leaving that award ceremony in the casino. He was being interviewed by a journalist. He mentioned medical breakthroughs and preventing starvation.
I don't read many Iron Man comics. So all that I know about him isn't from comics.
Great video and I had some points that I wanted to add
1. Who in the world wants to read a comic about a dude donating money to a charity, that is lame
2. Just because Bruce would donate to charity doesn't mean gotham would instantly be crime free. What about the Batman villains who are mentally ill, and the ones who aren’t just evil? Is building a hospital and donating to a charity just gonna make them quit crime? No, what if he donates it to make arkham safer? Gotham is literally cursed I don't think that would fix it...
Edit: Grammar fix
wasn't it confirmned that the city was built on a demons resting place?
Exactly. Gotham is a fated city that falls into a loop of crime and corruption. No money can stop crime. Honestly that’s reality. No one can stop violence or crime. Can the police in reality stop all crimes? No. Batman can never stop crime but he needs to try. Like how Pattinson’s monologue states- “ assaults, robbery, rape, all increased in 2 yrs. I need to try and stop it”. I’m power phrasing
@@kwabenapare7939 Yh I read that too. Gotham will never get better
Gotham is probably what a 3rd world Chicago would look like, don't care how many times Jesus gets crucified ain't no making that place better.
I seriously hate takes like this (like the one in the video, not your comment) for that first point more than the fact that people making takes like those clearly don't care about/understand what they're complaining about, in this case Batman
the whole thing with batman is that just giving his money away won't work and that is one of the reasons as to why he became batman!
Because of course in a city where a large amount of the criminal activity is perpetuated by corruptly wealthy mobsters and politicians and maniacs who are beyond all help, money would certainly solve everything.
Year one illustrates the corruption.
I saw like some ridiculous 3 or 4 hour video on why Batman is an abusive person in the Arkham games and why doesn’t it cover more mental health issues and why does batman attack every inmate? I was just like “clearly this guy has no idea what this game was about and how hard it would be to just sell that”. That’s such a stupid notion cause most of the goons aren’t insane. They just happen to be their cause their supposed to be in black gate.
Yea I believe it was mentioned in the very beginning that jokers thugs had been transferred from black gate. They’re not mentally ill they’re just evil. The only people I felt bad for attacking was the crazies who ran at you like bats out of hell. Never felt bad for anyone else considering the disgusting things they’d say about killing various people
In most continuity’s, the Waynes tried to save Gotham with philanthropy and look how that turned out, Bruce knows that philanthropy ALONE can’t save his city.
my issue with this too is that no one ever really brings this argument up when it comes to other extremely RICH super heroes. always just batman
Because it's just a stupid trend that needs to die, and I hope it will.
*cough* Tony Stark *cough*
Agree. No one ever says it about Iron Man or Green Arrow. In the case of Green Arrow, it’s probably because he’s left-wing.
@@ShadyKnight9349 nah,it's because is a stupid trend that needs to die
Even in Batman VS Superman Bruce is Funding People.
The truth is the only people I hear say that is the people who haven’t ever read an actual Batman comic besides just watching the movies cuz they seem to forget all Bruce Wayne does is donate money to Gotham Resources HES A PHILANTHROPIST
What's just bizarre is most movies have lines about him just handing out free money to various causes as well. Even Keaton (who I love, despite his grenade redirecting and other methods of definitely killing people) takes the time to donate to charity lmao.
@@DegenerateJay I feel like people just miss it cuz a lot of other stuff happens in the movie that is way cooler which I don’t blame but like still they should learn more about the actual comic book character on what he does before they accuse him of just using his money for Batman stuff
This is ridiculous.. why doesn’t Tony stark give all of his money away, he didn’t know he had to help the world until he had to save his own ass… Bruce spreads money all around Gotham.. but let’s face it.. if there’s one rich man that deserves his wealth it’s Batman
Also Green Arrow, Mister Terrific, Power Girl, Aquaman...
But yeah, there are more Lex Luthors and Maxwell Lords even in the DCU than there are heroic rich people. And that's not even taking Ra's Al Ghul into account.
@@critica77y77 Maxwell Lord isn't a villain and I hate people keep acting like he was. He was the chief benefactor for the JLI he was vouched for by Martian Manhunter he was a good man. His turn to evil was one of the most out of left field things DC did and wasn't popular at the time.
@@emberfist8347 I know. But he's been evil for so long that I named him anyway.
@@critica77y77 Eh he only turned evil 17 years ago.
@@emberfist8347 That's two continuity reboots ago.
People constantly ask "Why doesn't Batman just lock the Joker up in solitary?" or "Why does he put the major baddies in Arkham when he knows they're going to escape again?"
That is because he's trying to *rehabilitate* them. Batman's been shown to give them second, fifth, *eleventh* chance to turn their life around and Bruce has always been there for them should they take that chance.
Sometimes it kind of works. Just look at Catwoman for an example of an at least semi-successful reformation. Joker definitely belongs in solitary, but some of his enemies could be rehabilitated into law abiding citizens if given the proper support.
There's also the fact that Batman isn't the one who decides where they go ultimately. That's up to the legal system of Gotham.
@@barneynedward Well the problem with Joker is even he is in solitary, he will still escape. If he could escape in a hot air ballon, I don't think there is much that would solitary would do to keep him in for more than an extra day. As for Silena I don't think she ever went to Arkham but instead she went to Blackgate where the sane members of Batman's Rogues Gallery go when captured.
Even if he gives that money away, there's no certifiable guarantee that it'll be used effectively.
Why batman should give up his money instead he should take advantage that his rich
I can guarantee that it wont
He should run for mayor. And yes most of the problems can be solved with philanthropy
@@damiantirado9616 then why is it that all the schools and cities with the highest amounts of funding and programs have the lowest graduation rates and highest crime rates?
@@jordangoldbach This isn’t true tho. Pretty much all the countries with best education and schools have the best funding. Look at western Europe and Scandinavia.
You’re probably talking about America. In America schools have barely any funding, there’s barely any good infrastructure or government funding for public sectors most of the MK ey goes for politicians or bailouts for the rich.
You should educate yourself more.
Philanthropy in Gotham city is a lost cause. He funded a city for criminals, and we know how it went 😂
Cobblepot and Falcone would prob just snatch up the donations lol. Corruption prevents most money from getting in the neediest hands
Didn’t that happen in The Batman with Thomas Wayne’s renewal fund?
@@sofiyanali2489 yea I remember that, It's just likely all the crime bosses would be drooling over that Wayne money
Falcone has been dead for a long time and Penguin is a known criminal he wouldn't be eligible for donations.
Anytime I hear somebody use this dumb take I'm always just like, he does though, that's his day job, that's what Alfred takes care of or whoever he appoints as the CEO of Wayne Enterprises if he isn't the current CEO.
Guess those people haven't heard of the Wayne foundation. The development projects in Gotham. Also rebuilding after villains like Bane wreck the city.
I'm the injustice games he rebuilds Gotham and metropolis
Batman/Bruce Wayne should give his money away? Corruption will eat up all the money. Please use your brain.
This is an absolutely terrible take it makes me feel like they don't understand batman or what type of city gotham is. Money cannot solve Gotham's crime problem and Bruce actually already does this even though he plays the billionaire playboy
The people that give the hot take don't read comics, watch movies or cartoons or any of that.
They just want attention.
The fact that someone said he should just "give all his money away" is probably one of those people that say that all rich people are selfish or some shit, Like really bruh? They really think the only to solve problems is with money. Also love your vids Jay.
Like bro im broke doesn't mean I hate rich people ahh these people smh🙆🏾♂️
@@aliboi9859 I know right
There is only so much one person can do. Sure money solve a lot of problems but depending if that money gets used properly is different story.
@@rascoehunter3608 Exactly
It also seems like people forget that budgeting is still important even for rich people. Throwing around millions adds up quickly. Just like eating fast food everyday when your a middle class civilian.
Helping with Gotham's housing is obviously gonna stop Darksied , The Joker, Bane, Braniac or any villain that shows up to threaten the whole of Gotham/The world.
oh wait HE LITERALLY DOES BOTH so what the fuck even is this braindead take people keep on perpetuating? If he didn't give away his money then it's justified because he's fighting larger threats, if he does give it away then he's helping the community. Either way he's doing the right thing so what are these people on about.
Yeah one side point - the people Batman deals with aren’t all mentally ill. A lot of them are legitimately evil, who seek legitimate harm against others and just genuinely believe it either doesn’t matter or it’s the best thing to do.
@@lucascofell4680 Isnt beliving hurting others is good is-you know. a Mental condition ?
@@Yusufqxq No
@@Yusufqxq depends
@@BraveShowBoys So zsas isnt insane?His whole thing is he belives killing people would "free" them.
Money does do a lot for people but there’s definitely more to helping others than just money.
i mean not really if you don't know the people personally and you're one of the richest people in the world in a capitalist system.
@@nerds-nonsense Yeah true.
Throwing money at people won't solve the issue at all. Many are just going to waste the money on garbage they don't need or just use it to buy Illegal stuff like drugs. Only a small percentage are going to use the free money they got intelligently
@@yurisssecondaccount6674 so you're saying people need programs that reduce drug use (which a symptom of poverty and/or mental health issues) and financial education? How do those programs come about? Money. Also, op said anything about just handing individuals money, you just assumed that.
@@nerds-nonsense Calm down captain reddit. I was just simply saying that giving people money does not solve crime issues. Never argued that there shouldn't be social programs and stuff. I didn't say he said that, I'm simply stating my opinion on the topic in general, Learn to read. There's countless ways using money could effect a city or nations crime rates.
The people who make the claim that Batman should give his money away & this would solve all of Gotham's problems wouldn't take this into account: In B:TAS episode "Nothing to Fear", all of Bruce's money wouldn't have done jack to quell the Scarecrow's vendetta against Gotham State University. The Dark Knight's Joker would have stolen said Foundation money & burned it just to prove a point.
Corruption will just eat up his money. Simple.
I remember this animated series episode, where Bruce was in a dream world. I think and a bunch of people came up too him, begging for money and he gives them money. After that more comes up too him and he gives the other group money, many more came up and he started too cry because he can't give enough there will still be people who needs help it's a powerful episode.
The first season episode where homeless/down-on-their-luck guys were being kidnapped. I think that was actually a flashback.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 No it was actually mean as a dream and that scene was deliberately put in by Timm and Dini as they didn't want to do the episode (it was basically one of those episodes you have in every show meant to educate about a real world issue in this case homelessness). The issues they found with those type of episodes is that they never make the problem go away so they added the scene showing this is a problem Batman can't solve with money.
Was this the "Matrix" episode? I'm referring to the one where The Mad Hatter captured Batman and hooked him up to a machine making him experience a life in a simulation.
@@shawn092182 I think so but I thought Bruce was in a world, where batman is someone else and he married Selina his parents are still alive.
@@Sammy.Bear.King1234 yea, that was the simulated world that he was in while being hooked up to The Mad Hatter's dream machine. In that world, Bruce's parents are alive, he's engaged to Selina Kyle and Batman turned out to be The Mad Hatter.
Literally at the end of the Killing Joke, one of the most famous comics of all time, Joker is ready for to be beaten the crap out of by Batman once again, but Batman instead tries to reach out to the Joker, saying he wants to help him, and you want to know what the Joker responds with? No. So tell me again…what did they say about Batman ‘unnecessarily’ beating on the ‘mentally ill’, when he asks The Joker, of all people, to take his hand and get help, true help. I don’t know, it’s a stupid argument against Batman, good video btw, love your work Jay.
Joker's response shows the problem with the issue as it is like a blind person leading another blind person.
The main problem with this take is ; I thought hippies didn't believe in money?
So there goes their whole argument 😌👍🏻
I'm tired of people crapping on Batman he isn't perfect but he's my favorite character of all time.
Same camp as you man he's my end all be all.
My top 3 favorite characters in all fiction in order are :batman, Martian manhunter and black panther.
Ventriloquist and Scarface
Harley Quinn
Nora Fries/ Mr. Freeze
Penguin
Man-Bat
Baby Doll
Poison Ivy
Clay face
Are all villains I can recall Batman attempting to reform, and being personally invested in helping turn over a new leaf, in Batman TAS and the comics
Thank you for making this! I have a friend who has this take or at least a very similar one. I've tried explaining how Bruce consistently funds Gotham, weather that be its reconstruction, medical, security and even smaller charities like orphanages and shelters. Not to mention the entire Justice League is funded by him. It saddens me that ppl will spread this take as a "woke" thing bc it obscures the true meaning of the character and hold others back from consuming a potential life changing experience in something like Batman media. I know that this is all pixels on a screen or ink on a page but, it matters to me, probably more than it should.
Sorry for rant :)
I’m like u bro. Batman is a multifaceted character. The general audience doesn’t understand him
@@Koluvuma facts, thankfully we are are batman fans that truly believe in him🦇
Considering the Thomas and Martha Wayne foundation is a thing plus elseworld story's like white knight where it turns out he personally pays anytime there is a act of destruction associated with batman , it's funny cause he does do that but the movies don't do that cause they are too focused on being edgy lmao
Another example is during the batman telltale series, towards the end of episode 5, season 1 where bruce admits his family weren't as clean as he thought they were and as a result he says 'it's time to pay back that debt.' You then get the option to improve the GCPD or existing Asylum Asylum.
I hated making that choice. They basically make you decide between the actually mentally ill and normal criminals who are far more in quantity harming the city. It was a lose lose option and just annoyed me that you couldn’t do both because you’re having Bruce avoid a major issue either way.
Doesn't he technically do that with his humanitarian donations?
People who claim this don't understand the real character of Batman. All they see is what Batman is on a surface level, their viewpoint is completely superficial.
Facts.
I've always thought Batman was there to solve the problems that Bruce Wayne's philanthropy couldn't
Exactly, Gotham needs Batman and Bruce Wayne, at least you got it
In the Nolan trilogy Thomas and Martha almost went bankrupt trying to basically fund every aspect of the city’s infrastructure which didn’t work, throwing money at a problem is not always the solution.
You seem like the kind of guy who has played through a lot of video games on a certain lets play channel (me).
I'll never understand why some people try to apply real world logic to a comic book fantasy world.🤷🏻♂️
Yeah I definitely get that. Reality will always be reflected through fiction. Suspension of disbelief has to come into play at some point, however, in order for the fiction to work. Bruce Wayne: Philanthropist, would be an incredibly boring comic book lol.
Not even real would logic works in the real world
I’ve always thought that people that say all that stuff about Batman talk about it like Batman and his universe exist in the real world.
Love the shoutout to The Batman (2004), such an underrated gem. I did a metal version of the theme song because it's that good
There's a lot to unpack from this notion that is worth applying to other ideas as well. There's a tendency among most people to want to solve the symptom of a problem rather than the cure. After all, the symptom is the 'real problem' in the eyes of most people, but solving the *actual* 'real problem' requires complexity, time, effort and money more often than it doesn't, which is a harder sell to make to people whether you're a businessman or a politician.
Why can't Bruce just give his money to the poor and hope it resolves the issue? Because that doesn't address the systemic issues that result in them being poor in the first place. Batman doesn't either, but it comes *closer* to doing so by addressing the corruptoin that is, in part, responsible for poverty. It is the best thing that he can realistically do to deal with that matter. Not even running for office would be sufficient for this when considering how ingrained that rot is. It's self sustaining, and directly joining the system to resolve it won't let him dig it out anywhere nearly as effectively as Batman can.
Of course, there are real world examples beyond poverty. Immigration, gun control (more an American problem than anywhere else), abortion, climate change to name a few. A lot of people seem to believe that the answers to these are simple, when they are patently not. Find the root cause for the issues and try to address them. Don't ignore them, don't attack the symptom, because the disease will be left festering away. Bubbling and fermenting until it rises potentially worse than before.
If you're having a gut emotional reaction to some of my examples there, step back and think again. You're falling into the same trap. I promise you, whatever issue you're thinking of replying to me about, it *is more complicated than that*. You're not necessarily on the wrong side of the debate, just wrong in how you're thinking about *solving* the issue.
I hope that's clear. Think! Always think! While it's good to feel, let your brain chime in now and then too.
Leslie Thompkins was also in the DC tv show Gotham, which focuses on Gordon’s GCPD career and a young Bruce Wayne
I wish she was in The Batman as if Alfred is Bruce's surrogate father after his parents were killed, Thompkins is his surrogate mother
Jay vs bad takes are my favorite to watch. I really enjoy your content, keep up the great work.
There's also the fact that Bruce has worked to employ not just thugs like you mentioned, but even some of his main villains. One that comes to mind most is the Ventriloquist from btas or new batman adventures.
This character means probably a little too much to me. He's been with me since I was born. Just love him. I have a cool thing with The Dark Knight Returns. It's my favorite animated movie and since I've been with Batman for a long time it makes me really happy since I get there same feeling out of that movie. The history from even completely different versions of Batman still stacks into other versions even if they aren't in that timeline which makes me care for most Batman variations. Like all the general stuff carries over which also helps with a movie like that. I wish I could send pictures on here but I've been collecting these new awesome McFarlane DC figures and most are just Batman. You'll see a couple Superman figures or Green Lantern but oh there is Carrie Kelley Robin and now there is Flashpoint Batman and now there is Arkham City Grundy or Arkham Asylum Batman and much more everywhere. He's just brought me so much joy in moments where I need it. There's so much content from Batman I STILL haven't seen which keeps it fresh as well. I love him so much I got 100% completion on all Arkham games and accidentally, in order. Batman and DC are a huge part of my life. It's weird because the new Batman movie came out ON MY BIRTHDAY! So I went with family and had a Batman birthday. Had the littler ceasers Bat Pzza, the Riddler from the new Batman movie from McFarlane and a Batposter. A few days later I also got the Dark Knight Returns Batman from McFarlane and King Shark figure from TSSQ. But yeah Batman is very special to me and I can talk about him all day.
That’s literally me too mate. Batman has been in my life as long as I can remember. Got 3 posters on my wall of batman, I got like 11 batman comics ( I watch comicstroian and variant comics to get more details on other comics book storylines) and much more. THATS SOOO LUCKLY THAT THE BATMAN MOVIE come out on ur birthday 🥳. I’ve been waiting for that movie since 2019. I’ve seen it like 6 times and I have never gotten bored and still find new details and metaphors and visual storytelling
Hoping Sony let Warner Bro's remastered Arkham origins that Arkham origins can come out at the same time as Gotham knights does same Day
I'm just wondering why Gotham doesn't just kill the criminals of Gotham in court?
Then I remembered, it's comics.
Insane people can not be executed so joker two face Scarecrow ect
(Bane and freeze in some versions idk about)
Because Gotham is located in New Jersey which repealed the death penalty.
To give a similer argument, the whole thing of "Why does he not just kill (X) crimnal?."
The answer is quite simple, as the lack of certain villains would not allow future stories involving those.
We would not have Red Hood and The Killing Joke without Joker, for example.
No the answer is that Batman shouldn't be judge juror and executioner. As he explains in Batman Begins it is what separates him from the criminals.
TBH, i think it’d be pretty cool if this was a point in the comics. I remember in the arkham asylum bios, it said that Thomas Wayne’s Philanthropy WAS actually starting to turn the city around, and then his death halted and regressed any progress. It’d be cool to explore that in comic (if it hasn’t been done). WOULD Bruce do more good to have followed in his fathers footsteps? Was it a possibility? Is it maybe that both being Batman OR pursuing Philanthropy have done good?
Money cannot solve everything and the only villain who would really stop is the joker if batman gave up
Yeah , but if Batman stoped being a crime fighter and the protector of Gotham city in Batman 1989 , Joker would still be the same because the other Jokers do evil stuff so they can "play" with Batman , but this version of Joker does evil stuff to rule , control , terrorize Gotham city he just wants Gotham to be a Anarcho-Fascist state , thank god Batman made him fall of the cathedral .
@@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther- I heard of batman 1989 but I didn't know about what happens in it
@@Tigermanprevatt4498 Bruh , you have to watch it , it's my favourite Batman movie .
@@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther- oh the movie I thought you were talking about a comic
@@Tigermanprevatt4498 Bruh , really dude ?
Defeat darkseid with the power of... philanthropy?????
I now have the picture of Bruce trying to donate the Anti-Life Equation to him.
Now this is a Batman take that has surprisingly never ever ever crossed my mind. And somehow managed to never come across this take on the internet.
I feel bad, that I do enjoy your content, but this is the first recommended video I had from you in a while. Because well batman
youtube see's you as the batman guy I guess
Batman takes away the opportunities of criminality, Bruce Wayne offers new, better ones.
There are definitely some takes that are crazy out there with any superheroes characters like Batman for a example
I feel so alone when I bring up the fact that with the right writer I would watch the hell out of a movie or show centered around the political war Bruce has to fight every day just to do the right thing. I'm aware making paperwork and manipulation of the populace and stock market visually interesting is a niche skill but it would directly tackle the side of batman that is too easily missed
And every other episode of BATMAN ‘66 Bruce Wayne is hosting some WAYNE FOUNDATION event, or trying to help some criminal rehabilitate their lives with one of his charities; also the internal dialogue that brings him to the realization of all the good that BRUCE WAYNE can do is the entire point of BATMAN: THE WAR ON CRIME...
The fact of the matter is is that the people who say this barely read comics, its one of the reasons i don't like the billionare nightwing arc, because it acts like using his money too help people is something bruce never did,
Aye been watching for a bit now and love your videos man
Wait this isn’t a CBR video?
It's a spiritual successor that keeps the soul of CBRs bad takes alive.
This "take" was just a sketch on SNL. I haven't seen this anywhere else.
Doesnt Bruce Wayne come from a family line of philanthropy?
Thomas Wayne gave away a lot of Money to help the city, almost all of it was stolen from the fund or whatever and left thousands in debt and homeless resulting in Thomas and Martha Wayne's deaths, but with the Batman there as well no one is willing to attempt something like that.
thank you so much for this video those people need to see this
The way I've always thought about it is that Bruce Wayne invests in Gotham's future, and Batman ensures the city survives long enough to see that better tomorrow
I love all these people who are all like "the rich should just give away their money to charities". Here in the place know as reality a lot of these "charities" are scams.
1. EVEN in shows like Harley Quinn in which they follow the joke of "why not use that money for something better-?" is shown that the foundations exist... and hell, most of the time the charities are the reason why Bruce Wayne is popular to BEGIN with xd
2. Also I feel like this solution is ignoring how Gotham is/is written, it got social issues, but MOST of the issues are related to comically large webs of mafia, corruption, AND super-powered psychos, his main focus is to stop them so there isn't something actively stopping any social-related project... the city is a setting for an action/detective character so it MAKES SENSE to give that approach *and is not as unrealistic as some may think* (I'm from Ecuador and besides a lot of economical and social crisis, one of the biggest issues are gang violence and A LOT of hitmen, hell, even if we stay in the US territory, when Batman appear in comic it was also an era in which the biggest fear was related to mobs), so Batman putting a significant part of the money into the war-on-crime is not unresponsible, he needs to do that so the charities can actually work in a safe manner :v7
Ahhh yes not like saving the city, world and shit universe isn’t good enough hey…
It's one of those cases of "Tell me you didn't blank something, without telling me blank something." People be claiming things without looking or understanding something clearly.
i think the batman from the all star batman and robin comic is actaully the batman people are talking about...
carzy
ruthless
selfish
murderer
etc...but other than that almost every version of batman helps gothem besides crime fighting and saving the world from darkside or something...even zack synders and tim burtins versions help the poor and give even though they both had him kill in those versions...(sidenote i know batfelck stopped killing in the syner cut of JL but just a exsample of how good a lad bats is no matter the version)
I forget the exact context of the comic but it was during Rebirth a few years ago where Batman and Damian worked together to find a missing child from an orphanage or something that was funded by the Wayne foundation.
They find the kid and rush him to the Emergency room. The kid apologizes to Batman, and Batman asks him why? The kid replied “because Superman is my favorite hero” Batman smiles and says, “ I’ll let you in on a secret, he’s my favorite hero too”. The boy then loses consciousness and Batman and Robin rush him into the ER.
Batman and Robin both sit in the waiting room for hours until the doctor finally gives them the news that the boy had passed.
Later Bruce had figured out that the man who was running the place the boy was from, was taking bribes or giving up the kids for money or something like that. Bruce stormed into the office with Damian in tow to confront him about the evidence they collected. Then Bruce snuffed the guy in the face right before the GCPD came in to arrest the man. There was a time skip where Bruce and Damian reopened the establishment with a promise to be better, and they named the place after the boy who had died.
There’s always corruption and money dosent fix things, the point is that Bruce and Batman never give up and are constantly looking to help in whatever way they can. Try try again till you get it right. It’s what makes these characters so compelling and inspiring.
as someone who lives in new york i think the idea of throwing money at a problem to make it go away utterly ridiculous.
The batman is an amazing show like I loved it a lot as it came out. The some designs were weird but definitely grow on me and had some great stories and villians. Fights was really good and batman/Bruce was well written
From 2003? Because that was the thing that got me into Batman in the first place. Highly underrated show.
@@fictiontheorizer3594 very underrated
With or without the mask he still helps the city but if he's Bruce Wayne that won't stop Joker, Riddler, Court of Owls! Batman helps the city in the best way possible Bruce can't stop Joker with just money Batman can stop Joker with a few blows plus Batman has sold his money to the city here's a few
Batman White Knight: Bruce gives all his money when it turns out he isn't a Wayne pure to heart and he served the jail time
Bruce Wayne funds Arkham Asylum for the medical equipment
Batman helps the city by putting away the criminally insane so they can get proper treatment, He's helped the GCPD countless times
Batman and Bruce help the city in different ways and it's enough for the city of Gotham, in a way Batman is Gotham's light to a better world
This debate is pointless to those who have never read a batman comic or other batman media instead of movies. My first though of the debate was from Scott Synder’s court of owls vol 1, in the first 15 pages Bruce is hosting an event claiming that he will build a ‘ better’ Gotham. I put inverted commas on better coz Gotham will never get better. It is a city that is fated to fall into crime and corruption. A city that can’t be repaired no matter how much money the elites try to invest in. That’s the main plot for The Batman 2022, After the death of Thomas Wayne who tried to get the renewal fund for Gotham, the fund immediately was a power grab thus Falcone using the funds to pay the system for his own bidding. Anyways it’s a pointless debate 😂. Batman for life 🦇
Philanthropy is what got them Wayne parents killed. So doing same mistake as their parents would've set bruce on same path.
I hear similar arguments all the time with Superman.
"If he's so good powerful why doesn't he do things like topple dictatorships and stop wars? If he's really a hero who cares about saving lives why doesn't he share Kryptonian medical technology with people like the cure for cancer?"
But almost nobody makes responses to those arguments the way they do for the attacks on Batman. Because nobody really gives a crap about Superman anymore.
In Batman v. Superman the Wayne Foundation gave money to the victims of Metropolis. Ironically in that movie it was Bruce Wayne giving money to the victims and Lex Luthor literally rebuilding the city. Great video 👍🏼
Batman is real. The emotions he gives us will always be real.
This take also just ignores the fact that the city of Gotham is literally cursed to be a perpetual hell hole. So throwing money at the problem would only do so much here.
whats hillarious is bruce became batman because of the rampant crime in the city and the rampant corruption in the police. hell his first big bads he wants to defeat are Falcone and maroni aka mob bosses who are rich as hell in bribing anyone trying to help the city
“In order to give money, you have to make money”
-Alfred
I thing that's cool and sucks about batman is that intimidation and image of fear he has really out shine the hope that he actually produces. The audience kinda forgets that and media, parodies and jokes about the character doesn't help. Gotham kinda does that to ya I guess twists things where batman had to become like what he combats we tend to forget the good. The batman movie did highlight that at the end which us awesome, the hope for a better tomorrow
All those “poor people” Batman fights
Like Mr Freeze, and Penguin and Joker.
I guess Solomon Grundy doesn’t make a lot of money so
Solomon Grundy was pretty rich before he died. He had a silver ring with his name engraved on it.
My favorite example of Batman helping the poor isn't even in a Batman comic. The original Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle run reveals Bruce has a company that gives out loans to small businesses to get them actually start which is important in the comics as it allows Jaime to get his father's auto-shop running again after it was foreclosed near the start of the comic.
to be fair, he probably does give his money away to charity. it just doesnt make for good action movie fodder so they never show it on screen.
People who would cross the street rather than give a charity a nickel are always advocating for others to give their money away. Even fictional characters.
Also, in Batman, White Knight; an alternate version of batman where he goes off the rails and becomes a destructive menace to Gotham, there is this fund that is used to pay for all the damage batman causes. People think its publicly funded which turns public opinion against batman, but its revealed that it's entirely funded by companies owned by Wayne Corperation. Even when he is the villian he is paying out the nose to help gotham.
batman is a member of the justice league ,he has helped save the world countless times, with his tech ans smarts.
we should be GIVING him money so he can make more cool stuff...
The largest misconception about Batman; DEBUNKED!!!
Actually, CBR had an article recently posted about characters in BTAS that have aged poorly. I think you should look at the list and prove how wrong they are.
I loved that Matt Reeves showed why this take is stupid.