I remember back in the early 80s when the first Shariah Council was formed. Even as a Muslim back then I wasn't in favour of them as they reflected the most conservative type of Islam. I had hoped that they would not catch on as I knew many ordinary Muslims did not subscribe to such conservative views. Unfortunately this has always been the dilemma for Muslims. Many ordinary Muslims have an idealised romantic notion disconnected from the reality of the Classical Islamic texts. But it is always the conservative and traditionalists with the full backing of traditional texts who inevitably dictate how Islam is implemented - and they are not interested in the half-baked romantic delusions of ordinary moderate Muslims. Unfortunately many ordinary Muslims feel pressurised to go to these Councils out of fear of being branded a "bad Muslim." By allowing these Shariah Courts, the UK is basically throwing the sheep to the wolves, when they should be protecting ordinary Muslims (especially women) from these conservative Muslims, many of whom are hard-line Islamists.
From a British perspective, the difficulty is that: 1) we would need to identify how exactly we could codify an anti-Shariah council law - from what I understand, all power they have over Muslim Brits is "voluntary", so unless it could be proved beyond reasonable doubt that they are inciting extremism or violence such as acts of Jih*d, forced marriages, or honour k*llings, we would essentially be criminalising "religious advice", which is obviously a sticky subject. and 2) As they don't necessarily have to have any formal presence for us to be able to identify them by, and Muslim communities are unlikely to rat them out, we would need to be able to prove that they are taking place, who is involved, and that they are actively violating whatever law we settled on to police them. And that's if they didn't just entirely base themselves overseas and communicate their verdicts virtually. Realistically, when any and all consequences of abiding/not abiding by Shariah council verdict are socially enforced and not (openly anyway) inciting actual crimes, any solicitor worth their salt could claim that it's no different than a Catholic getting handed acts of penitence by their confessional priest, or anyone of any faith getting marriage counseling or advice from their religious community. Even if we did somehow ban them, all they'd have to say is "we're not a Shariah council, we're just normal Muslims offering non-binding advice to our brothers and sisters". There are, to my understanding, quite a few groups of progressive Muslims in the UK who I know are working with UK government and charitable organisations to fight forced marriage and other harmful supposed 'cultural' practices, so I imagine they're working to unpick some of the issues, but it certainly isn't as straightforward as "ban Shariah councils in the UK", unfortunately.
@@katharineeavan9705 But having a place such a Sharia court on your soils IS a form of an acceptance IS NOT. OK SILENCES MANY TIMES CAN BE TAKEN. AS. SUBMISSION.
@@LloydChristmas-vx2wh because momo told them in their book 1. female half brain 2. 4 wives 3. pimping allowed so why would muslim man change unless he wants to give up his religion.
I'm non Muslim and I always highlight what's going on to Muslim girls and women! They do need support as they're one of the most vulnerable groups in society, 🙏!
No, because how would you enforce the prevention of this? In this case, it's two unmarried people who would be subject to cohabitation laws where the wife doesn't seek legal help for any abuse she suffers due to her religious beliefs.
She should demand back wages for cooking, cleaning, child care, etc… all labor. The reason he is demanding this is because men do not value the work of women. Is he gonna pay her back? Of course not. Also if the marriage is not legal in the first place can she leave without having to pay?
How Haytham Al Haddad hasn't been jailed or deported, is beyond me. I'm an ex Muslim from Scandinavia and he played a pivotal role in radicalizing the youth here.
You never solve things like these quickly. Populists may want you to believe that. But the truth is, some countries have battled parochial ideas for decades and are still not there. It’s a long struggle and will require smart, long term strategies, not some moronic populist thinking that will likely make things much much worse.
For a long time I no longer live in the UK, but from afar I marvel as the st_pidity of the government for such things as allowing shariah law to operate in the UK. Just yesterday I spoke to a rather open MusIim at the gym who said to me privately that there is no way Britain should have allowed Muslims\Islam to take such a strong foothold in their country, and that now it's just an ever-worsening mess, because if it was eg Saudi Arabia then Westerners would never ever gain such a foothold in Islamic territory, and we both agreed that the UK, and western countries like it, largely have themselves to blame, for being so weak and asleep, and it seems they will indeed get what they themselves have earned though their lack of action and utter blindness when it comes to lsIam.
Hmmm...its not that simple. To some extent the capitalist elites keep Islam in the background to ensure authentic socialism does not return. This wishy washy middle class leftism they use is basically a manager class for controllig the country so it does not really go to the proper left where there is no religion at all. Like it used to be in the USSR.
@@melaninqueen5945 Part of the reason the UK has allowed this is because it's extremely difficult to stop it. If the woman agrees to abide by the decision of a Sharia court then it doesn't really matter what the law says about her situation. A law banning all private agreements made by two adults to abide by the decision of a third party is completely unenforceable, and therefore useless. So you have to ban the specifics and hope that the people involved know that those specifics are illegal and feel capable of reporting the crime to the authorities. But in all of the examples given the women seem to feel morally obligated to follow the ruling. If the woman being forced to pay her "husband" wanted she could simply refuse to pay him. .The same goes for pretty much any of the other cases. If a woman (or man) refuses to comply with the ruling of a Sharia court then there is nothing that "court" can do to enforce its ruling. And any attempt to force her to comply would almost certainly be illegal under UK law (the main exception being if it can persuade the community to shun her - since there isn't a legal right to be included in any given community, and it would be require a full-on police state to enforce such a right if it did exist).
Dalton McGuinty was the premier of Ontario when Muslims wanted Sharia law for family court it was rejected by petition by Muslim women Read about the history of Ontario.
@@shanullajiwa2602 The Muslim Canadian Congress opposed religious family law when McGuinty was Premier, literally no mainstream muslim association has ever advocated for legal recognition of Sharia Law in Canada. What fantasy are you inventing?
Like most left-leaning social topics it mostly resolve around ignorance and the narcissistic need for people to be seen as righteous and good, specially teenagers Just give them some bone with "it's a marginalized group" and BS like that and they will support in public to be seen... 🤣 That's what we call "useful idiots" They would support the Hitler youth because why are you trying to stop childrens to get access to health through sport?
In India the government is trying to apply single civil law for all its citizens but these clever muslim women oppose everytime. Hindu men could have multiple wives 100 years ago and lots of other discrimination women had to face back in days. These practices are now punishable by law. Hindus have accepted reformations and civil law of the land to live a civilized life. Thankfully we had some godly hindu men who did it for us. I see them in you. Please read about Raja Ram Mohan Roy and Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar if interested.
Most paths in Hinduism are not nearly as misogynistic as Islam. Hinduism is multifaceted, which means it is less rigid than Islam and more inclined to accept change. Islam is firmly wedded to the past.
Wait..if she is resident/has nationality in britain, and the marriage was not registered there - she s not married. End of story. The marriage document is null and void in the jusrisdiction. She should go to a safe house and let the system take care of it.
And then what? Remember she still has to deal with the muslim community, that includes close and distant family members, friends…according to the muslim community she is not divorced. Unless she decides to throw away all that she will still be trapped
Nah, they have to recognize it even if it happens in another country. That’s how gay marriages were forced to be recognized in USA, when they got married in Canada.
It infuriates me that here in the UK we still have schools based on religious principles. It is archaic. I live in a area with a lot of Muslims and various Muslim schools. I wonder how much interaction the girls actually get outside their community.
@@Usedtobeabandalore you would be exchanging one potential theocracy with another… potential theocracy. On top of that, they’re both Abrahamic in origin so they’re not even that different at their core, which is why Christianity also has a checkered past, and that’s me being generous. If the people insist on a religion, might as well go with Jainism, which has no history of violence AFAIK.
@@Byorin Christianity has a bloody past because of the human nature, not because of its core teachings. To say 'oh, they are both Abrahamic, so they must be the same' is very uneducated. Though I'm on the same page with you - secularism is the best.
@ uneducated? Lol, no. I attended these schools and spent decades studying, first to strengthen and then after to de-convert. Both religions focus on death and submission to a deity that allegedly considers all humans to be broken creations that can only be saved through a lifetime of worship to that deity. Literally in their holy texts, they are commanded to spread these teachings to unbelievers. If you don’t see how similar the religions are and why their histories are so brutal, then I encourage you to study them more.
@@Byorin It's always possible to find a way to frame two things as being similar, as you've done here. But on the kinds of issues being discussed in this video the two religions couldn't be more different. Consider the differences between Christian and Islamic teaching on morality. Christianity explicitly teaches that you should love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Islam teaches that you should wage Jihad on your enemies. Christian teaching on marriage tells husbands that they should put their wife's needs before their own, whilst Sharia law (as highlighted in this video) takes the opposite approach. Christianity teaches to turn the other cheek, Islam utterly rejects that morality. Yes, there are brutal incidents in the history of both religions. But in Christianity the overwhelming majority of that brutality is the result of the same human failings we see from people in any sort of authority and are clearly not in keeping with what is taught in the New Testament and the earliest church tradition. And some of the examples that are commonly given by critics of Christianity were actually not that bad by the standards of the era in which they happened (the Spanish Inquisition, for example, was far less brutal than Spain's secular courts at the time). Whereas most of the examples of Islamic brutality are copying what the Quran, Hadith, and other early islamic literature say about the teachings and example of Mohammed.
I watched a documentary years ago and was shocked to see these councils (I thought they were referred to as courts in the doco?). This woman was all keen to go to one for help with an abb*s1ve marriage. She was visibly taken aback when told it must be that she isn’t a good wife and she must go back to him. It was heartbreaking.😢
If the marriage wasn't registered under Enflish law , why does she need a divorce. She could just abandon him and just sue him for childcare. Easier than long drawn out process of divorcing under English law. Also isn't there a law that recognises defacto relationship?
She could. It's her religious beliefs stopping her. Maybe education is needed that it's not a legal marriage, but that may still not prevent it as she said she still sees herself as married if not islamically divorced.
There is probably case law that covers some aspects of being in a defacto relationship, but Parliament has never actually legislated to recognise them.
English law is so archaic when it comes to divorce... Their law hasn't evolved that's why there's all these issues. Even for two atheists marrying, the divorce law itself is unfair and getting a divorce is a hassle.
She probably doesn't know that this is an option. Also, doing so would cause her to be disowned and shunned by the Muslim community, including her family.
You follow the laws of the Nation you are living in. If they do not match your personal beliefs then you need to live in a place that shares what you believe. No one can pick and choose for example: :"I'll follow the Nation's laws for housing and medical care but follow my laws for personal and domestic issues" The UK needs to firmly enforce the fact that ONLY UK laws are followed. I feel the same about the US, only the Constitution and individual State laws are to be followed.
Sharia law is not enforceable in the UK and not recognised. Whether Muslim women choose to subject themselves to such nonsense in a secular country, it's their own folly.
In the British courts men get a horrendous deal when getting divorced. Even in no fault divorces the court is always sympathetic to the woman regardless of her contribution to the marriage. The man has to pay through the nose. Interesting to see the boot on the other foot not that I think this is good.
I mean on the other hand according to law she can walk away... she is not married according to british law. She does not because she wants to stay practicing eventho sharia court is based on sharia law and this is based on their religion.
Easier said than done. She may not know she has this option. She may also fear to take it, since she would be ostracized and condemned by the Muslim community, including her own family.
Does it? That's good news to me. Can you tell me more as I'm in a cohabitation relationship and have been told it's worth noting in the eyes of the law 😕
One day in the future these councils could become part of the official judiciary system. It's basically an alternative system now until Muslims become a majority. I can see something like that happening.
It's as if the UK is positioning itself as the global centre for shyrea law, as such subordinating all of the gulf countries and all mslm countries and all mslms in non-mslm countries. That's an extraordinary amount of power.
How ? They know British law precedes everything. Even if no council still same rules from local mosque. What is needed is more awareness programmes and all documents in 3 or 4 languages that nothing on these documents is legally binding. These councils only tell what is islamic nothing else. These councils are open etc better than individuals doing it.
Interesting. I just received an email (3-4 weeks ago?) from Aaliyah of We Rise (Collective Muslim feminine empowerment) of the U.K. discussing her experience with the Sharia court system. Her female friend got divorced with no issues or challenges and she hailed that. That seemed to be a more liberal court-which I welcome. It is always fascinating how people bend religion to suit their needs when given the space to do so.
Its so stunning to me how they really just follow the guidelines given in the Quran, they dont invent anything thats not written there and... THATS THE RESULT 💀💀💀
The UK would need to ban all religious courts in order to ban Sharia councils, which is a problem when your nominal head of state is also the nominal head of the ecclesiastical courts. The people willingly subjecting themselves to this are primarily at fault but we definitely still need to point out the crazy organisational structures too.
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I'm confused you said you can get married but don't have to register your marriage you just won't get the benefits in the UK. That's not a legal marriage then. Any religious marriage without registration is about as valid as two kids pretending to get married. At that point it's just people practicing cohabitation and religious practices. They are subject to any laws that apply to cohabitation. If you have kids child support must be paid, the partner isn't automatically considered next of kin and have no financial obligations towards each other when they separate etc. So by law he can not demand money from her and she can not get anything when "divorcing him". If you want to critisize cohabitation laws that's fine otherwise she's in the same situation as a cohabiting couple legally wise and there's no way to force someone to stop practicing shariah law in private unless any the victim reports any abuse that happened due to that practice. Maybe muslims need to be taught shariah judges aren't actually judges and that they're not legally married as children in school but I could see that backfiring as all this information is readily available and at least is common knowledge to non-muslims. In the article it stated "until I'm divorced islamically I believe that im married" like what can any legal measures be done to change that? The citing of the hadith to justify marrital rape I could see being able to use in a court of law to bring charges against that man if they reported him. Whether it's not really a choice because hell, you said it yourself "willingly subjecting themselves to this" it's her religious beliefs trapping these women not shariah law being above actual law. Now stopping the promotion of shariah through the dawah preachers now that's something that could be looked into.
Don't have a specific thing against any one religion but ALL should be taught ONLY as philosophy until they can be backed up with facts. The barbarism and falsehoods asserted by all of them needs to end.
From what I've researched, very summarised, is that early islam was very different from modern day interpretations. Women were granted rights, trade was significant and political unity was high. Culture influences Muslim nations, like all nations, which is why you get places like Afghanistan installing archaic and dystopian laws. It's just their specific way. But in reality, different interpretations are the problem. While there is unity under one interpretation there isn't unity between different interpretations. It's like Christianity in a lot of circumstances. But just different. The middle east is still dealing with problematic caste systems that control the narrative to suit their interests. When something can be so easily interpreted, it leaves a lot of room open for abuse. Sharia courts are a slippery slope, and not worth the time. You would have to vet everyone installing the policy as having the 'correct' interpretation. It gets messy for governing. Doesn't leave a lot of navigation for the actual law.
If there is a religious teaching that is said to come from God but contradicts our common sense, then we should re-examine the teachings of the religion, especially its verses. Reason and brain are gifts from God. God equips us with the ability to think. Therefore reason must be used. Shouldn't studying religion require reason and faith? So don't just accept religious teachings without examining them critically. If this happens, the result will be a return to a backward civilization. Many Muslims understand religion narrowly and it becomes a disaster, making people suffer. Therefore, my friends, please use common sense before it's too late. I am also confused about what is behind all this. Why are these people forcing people from other countries? In my opinion, it would be better if they were sent home because it would make the country unsafe and unconducive. GBU
There is nothing scary at all. It is clear that 99% of respondents are clueless about the legal system within the comprehensive guidance of Islam. I would submit that if you objectively considered the legal system within Islam, you would welcome it.
@@nicoladoyle3375 do I really need to explain the joke? than it wouldn't be funny anymore. I'm also an ex muslim. I know the dangers of sharia very well. maybe not as much as our friendly muslim .
I’m born, raised and live in the UK. You don’t have any deep insight or experience on the UK or Sharia councils here simply by reading a biased online newspaper article. You need to live here to really understand. UK law always takes precedence and Sharia councils have no real power or authority here. If you are devout and wish to abide by its unenforceable rulings or advice then that’s up to the individual - freedom of choice.
@ he’s a prominent ex Muslim activist. I’ve seen many of his old YT videos. He is obviously entitled to his view but I’m not sure how impartial and objective he can really be on the topic.
The sharia courts in the UK are voluntary mediation. They also aren't allowed to make decisions contary to UK law. Nothing is stopping these women from ignoring the decisions and going on with their lives except their own choices to follow Islam. So no we shouldn't take away free choice in the UK.
Yes, we should. There should be one law and one way of settling disputes and it has to be secular. Here in Ontario, Canada, we used to have Sharia (and Jewish) religious arbitration, but it was banned quite a while ago... IMO, a good move.
If you wanna follow your desires in this short period of time on earth and not the creator of the universe to get an ETERNITY of ANYTHING you wish for in the hereafter (INFINITE amount of different activities and creations and pleasures to enjoy), you will disagree with Islam. It's simple
@@FriendlyExmuslim As for those who do not believe in the Hereafter, We have certainly made their ˹evil˺ deeds appealing to them, so they wander blindly. An-Naml, Ayah 4
i am muslim and firstly dont lie women can get divorce on their own regardless of what the husband says. secondly i actually agree its more common for domestic ab.. to happen is muslim countries i myself was raised in such household and my mom divorced and took me and raised me as a single mother . but i never thought this has anything to do with islam because this is just the culture in some muslims countries it has nothing to do with the religion itself proof ? the prophet muhammad never striked anyone with his hands in his life for anything not his wives not his servant no one . also i think your points on women getting less in islam are very dishonest . you know so much about islam from the looks of it so you also know all men have obligations to provide food and shelter and necessities to their families whilst women dont have any obligation to provide anything like that why dont you comment on how this is unfair for men?shouldnt it be 50/50? . the inheritance is always greater for the males as they will not be allowed to keep all of it and will be obligated to spend it on family unlike women who can use it as they please. also i want to add if a women experiences someone like this then they should forget about divorcing through legal means and just cut ties off with the husband how can god find them in the wrong if they do this ? they will have an excuse that is valid if they are questioned by god .
Reported by Aisha in Sahih Muslim Book 4 2127: "I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He STRUCK ME ON THE CHEST WHICH CAUSED ME PAIN, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?"
Also in Sahih Bukhari 5825, Muhammad defends a hudband who beat his wife. Aisha even descrived the woman as being hit so hard thay her skin was greener than the clothes she was wearong, and yet muhammad defended thr husband's actions.
@@Superw0rrio firstly learn to read english properly i specified hand for a reason i obviously know of this hadith and the translations could also be shoved me he did this with his body not his hand and if you read the whole passage he did it to make her realise she was having wrong thoughts . such example is very common in everyone's life such as when you have someone sitting next to you and youre speaking to someone else about something you shouldn't they may stamp on your leg to indicate you should stop . discipling children is another things thats considered universally acceptable to a degree. in context you clearly see this wasnt out of malice . furthermore the pain was light and short and no mark could have been left it was obviously not intended to do any harm
You only disagree because you deny the teachings Islam. Not only that, but you don't believe in god! So there's no point of trying to refute your claims. Same thing goes for all the other people here in the comments.
I remember back in the early 80s when the first Shariah Council was formed. Even as a Muslim back then I wasn't in favour of them as they reflected the most conservative type of Islam. I had hoped that they would not catch on as I knew many ordinary Muslims did not subscribe to such conservative views. Unfortunately this has always been the dilemma for Muslims. Many ordinary Muslims have an idealised romantic notion disconnected from the reality of the Classical Islamic texts. But it is always the conservative and traditionalists with the full backing of traditional texts who inevitably dictate how Islam is implemented - and they are not interested in the half-baked romantic delusions of ordinary moderate Muslims. Unfortunately many ordinary Muslims feel pressurised to go to these Councils out of fear of being branded a "bad Muslim." By allowing these Shariah Courts, the UK is basically throwing the sheep to the wolves, when they should be protecting ordinary Muslims (especially women) from these conservative Muslims, many of whom are hard-line Islamists.
From a British perspective, the difficulty is that:
1) we would need to identify how exactly we could codify an anti-Shariah council law - from what I understand, all power they have over Muslim Brits is "voluntary", so unless it could be proved beyond reasonable doubt that they are inciting extremism or violence such as acts of Jih*d, forced marriages, or honour k*llings, we would essentially be criminalising "religious advice", which is obviously a sticky subject.
and 2) As they don't necessarily have to have any formal presence for us to be able to identify them by, and Muslim communities are unlikely to rat them out, we would need to be able to prove that they are taking place, who is involved, and that they are actively violating whatever law we settled on to police them. And that's if they didn't just entirely base themselves overseas and communicate their verdicts virtually.
Realistically, when any and all consequences of abiding/not abiding by Shariah council verdict are socially enforced and not (openly anyway) inciting actual crimes, any solicitor worth their salt could claim that it's no different than a Catholic getting handed acts of penitence by their confessional priest, or anyone of any faith getting marriage counseling or advice from their religious community.
Even if we did somehow ban them, all they'd have to say is "we're not a Shariah council, we're just normal Muslims offering non-binding advice to our brothers and sisters".
There are, to my understanding, quite a few groups of progressive Muslims in the UK who I know are working with UK government and charitable organisations to fight forced marriage and other harmful supposed 'cultural' practices, so I imagine they're working to unpick some of the issues, but it certainly isn't as straightforward as "ban Shariah councils in the UK", unfortunately.
@@katharineeavan9705
But having a place such a
Sharia court on your soils
IS a form of an acceptance IS NOT. OK
SILENCES MANY TIMES CAN BE TAKEN. AS. SUBMISSION.
@HassanRadwan133 Mr Radwan may I ask you a question?
@@DHOP-tm2ch sure
@HassanRadwan133
Exactly, and that’s why I think we should be very worried what will happen to the minorities in Syria.
I am not Muslim,but I can see that you are supporting so much for Muslim women,really appreciate that,you are giving the voice that they don’t have.
So true!
It's interesting that a non-Muslim supports women's rights a lot more than Muslims themselves.
@@LloydChristmas-vx2wh
because momo told them in their book
1. female half brain
2. 4 wives
3. pimping allowed
so why would muslim man change unless he wants to give up his religion.
I'm non Muslim and I always highlight what's going on to Muslim girls and women! They do need support as they're one of the most vulnerable groups in society, 🙏!
@@Princessalishia From a Muslim woman here, we appreciate you. Keep speaking for us because many of us don't have a voice.
In a civilized society, this kind of parallel law enforcement system shouldn't be tolerated. Isn't it breaking the general law of the UK?
No, because how would you enforce the prevention of this? In this case, it's two unmarried people who would be subject to cohabitation laws where the wife doesn't seek legal help for any abuse she suffers due to her religious beliefs.
Had Beth Din courts for centuries
Nope. No more than a church can have rules about divorce which their believers can chose to follow or not
Only in a totalitarian state. Which Britain is not.
These topics should be taught in social studies classes. Some college cultural courses as well.
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They do. They teach the kids that muslims and immigrants are good. English people are bad.
it would be considered a hate crime against the cult.
She should demand back wages for cooking, cleaning, child care, etc… all labor. The reason he is demanding this is because men do not value the work of women. Is he gonna pay her back? Of course not. Also if the marriage is not legal in the first place can she leave without having to pay?
I was thinking she could just leave too, but no doubt she would face serious physical retribution from her male relatives. Or him.
How Haytham Al Haddad hasn't been jailed or deported, is beyond me. I'm an ex Muslim from Scandinavia and he played a pivotal role in radicalizing the youth here.
This is very concerning. Britain should take the hint already that this starts with Sharia laws, but never ends there.
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This has been an issue now for a long time. However, things are about to change in the UK and when it does all this nonsense comes to an end.
do not count on that. You have been sold by your politicians, you are doomed.
How are things about to change? We have a lefty prime minister who talks about blasphemy laws being implemented
You never solve things like these quickly. Populists may want you to believe that. But the truth is, some countries have battled parochial ideas for decades and are still not there. It’s a long struggle and will require smart, long term strategies, not some moronic populist thinking that will likely make things much much worse.
@petersamson5407 I agree with long term strategies. As for embracing nationalistic ideas, we can play with the hand we're dealt.
What makes you think things will change? It just feels like it’ll only get worse.
She should give him an itemized bill: housekeeper, cook, nurse, teacher, nanny and you know. He owes her money.
For a long time I no longer live in the UK, but from afar I marvel as the st_pidity of the government for such things as allowing shariah law to operate in the UK. Just yesterday I spoke to a rather open MusIim at the gym who said to me privately that there is no way Britain should have allowed Muslims\Islam to take such a strong foothold in their country, and that now it's just an ever-worsening mess, because if it was eg Saudi Arabia then Westerners would never ever gain such a foothold in Islamic territory, and we both agreed that the UK, and western countries like it, largely have themselves to blame, for being so weak and asleep, and it seems they will indeed get what they themselves have earned though their lack of action and utter blindness when it comes to lsIam.
I am a Muslim and I co-sign this message. I want no part of my life being dictated by Sharia law. Why did UK allow this?
White people afraid to be called racist and also tolerating people that don't tolerate them back.
Hmmm...its not that simple. To some extent the capitalist elites keep Islam in the background to ensure authentic socialism does not return. This wishy washy middle class leftism they use is basically a manager class for controllig the country so it does not really go to the proper left where there is no religion at all. Like it used to be in the USSR.
@@melaninqueen5945 Part of the reason the UK has allowed this is because it's extremely difficult to stop it. If the woman agrees to abide by the decision of a Sharia court then it doesn't really matter what the law says about her situation. A law banning all private agreements made by two adults to abide by the decision of a third party is completely unenforceable, and therefore useless. So you have to ban the specifics and hope that the people involved know that those specifics are illegal and feel capable of reporting the crime to the authorities. But in all of the examples given the women seem to feel morally obligated to follow the ruling.
If the woman being forced to pay her "husband" wanted she could simply refuse to pay him. .The same goes for pretty much any of the other cases. If a woman (or man) refuses to comply with the ruling of a Sharia court then there is nothing that "court" can do to enforce its ruling. And any attempt to force her to comply would almost certainly be illegal under UK law (the main exception being if it can persuade the community to shun her - since there isn't a legal right to be included in any given community, and it would be require a full-on police state to enforce such a right if it did exist).
@@melaninqueen5945if you refuse sharia law aren’t you denying Islam?
Your voice is so important in this discussion.
Many years ago, in Canada in the province of Ontario was trying to get sharia law but was rejected by Muslim women.
Not surprised, bc Muslim Women know that Shariah is just harmful to ALL Women in general. Just look at the Muslim women in Iran, Iraq, etc.
This is false. There have been no steps taken to give Sharia law any legal force in Ontario.
Dalton McGuinty was the premier of Ontario when Muslims wanted Sharia law for family court it was rejected by petition by Muslim women
Read about the history of Ontario.
@@shanullajiwa2602 The Muslim Canadian Congress opposed religious family law when McGuinty was Premier, literally no mainstream muslim association has ever advocated for legal recognition of Sharia Law in Canada. What fantasy are you inventing?
You can't be muslim if you reject shariah law
Thanks for bringing awareness, you’re brave ❤
it's almost unbearable to see how naive and self-righteous Western people fight for Islam.
Like most left-leaning social topics it mostly resolve around ignorance and the narcissistic need for people to be seen as righteous and good, specially teenagers
Just give them some bone with "it's a marginalized group" and BS like that and they will support in public to be seen... 🤣
That's what we call "useful idiots"
They would support the Hitler youth because why are you trying to stop childrens to get access to health through sport?
usually white middle class communists and crusty types.
@@limop20 there's a growing "Britain First" movement here. Revolution is coming
How can a Muslim woman pay a bill to her husband if she doesn’t have an income?
Allah will provide it her.
He probably expects her family to cough it up.
With his money.
That’s the point
I don't understand when women defend islam
Fear + indoctrination
They give them a lot of rights
Chickens for KFC
@@ElshaliSami Seriously why do you muslims lie so often?
In India the government is trying to apply single civil law for all its citizens but these clever muslim women oppose everytime. Hindu men could have multiple wives 100 years ago and lots of other discrimination women had to face back in days. These practices are now punishable by law. Hindus have accepted reformations and civil law of the land to live a civilized life. Thankfully we had some godly hindu men who did it for us.
I see them in you. Please read about Raja Ram Mohan Roy and Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar if interested.
That must be why they are all escaping to Britain 😢 to escape a sensible fair law
Most paths in Hinduism are not nearly as misogynistic as Islam. Hinduism is multifaceted, which means it is less rigid than Islam and more inclined to accept change. Islam is firmly wedded to the past.
Wait..if she is resident/has nationality in britain, and the marriage was not registered there - she s not married. End of story. The marriage document is null and void in the jusrisdiction. She should go to a safe house and let the system take care of it.
And then what? Remember she still has to deal with the muslim community, that includes close and distant family members, friends…according to the muslim community she is not divorced. Unless she decides to throw away all that she will still be trapped
International law does not work like that.
A marriage abroad can be legal but she can just get a civil divorce. The only person responsible for her going to a sharia court is herself.
Yes, but does she know that she has this option? Many Muslim women in Britian are kept ignorant of their rights as British citizens.
Nah, they have to recognize it even if it happens in another country. That’s how gay marriages were forced to be recognized in USA, when they got married in Canada.
Thank you so much for being honest, we all need to hear this.
This mess reminds me of Mormonism. The "court of love" which is a bunch of old men casting their judgements on people.
What will be your excuse when you get old. Ageism is a cop out. Understand the economic system.
How are their Birthrate ? Demography is Destiny.
It infuriates me that here in the UK we still have schools based on religious principles. It is archaic. I live in a area with a lot of Muslims and various Muslim schools. I wonder how much interaction the girls actually get outside their community.
Maybe that's the problem? That we stopped teaching christianity. At least kids would understand how bad islam is after studying the bible.
@@Usedtobeabandalore you would be exchanging one potential theocracy with another… potential theocracy.
On top of that, they’re both Abrahamic in origin so they’re not even that different at their core, which is why Christianity also has a checkered past, and that’s me being generous.
If the people insist on a religion, might as well go with Jainism, which has no history of violence AFAIK.
@@Byorin
Christianity has a bloody past because of the human nature, not because of its core teachings.
To say 'oh, they are both Abrahamic, so they must be the same' is very uneducated.
Though I'm on the same page with you - secularism is the best.
@ uneducated?
Lol, no. I attended these schools and spent decades studying, first to strengthen and then after to de-convert.
Both religions focus on death and submission to a deity that allegedly considers all humans to be broken creations that can only be saved through a lifetime of worship to that deity. Literally in their holy texts, they are commanded to spread these teachings to unbelievers. If you don’t see how similar the religions are and why their histories are so brutal, then I encourage you to study them more.
@@Byorin It's always possible to find a way to frame two things as being similar, as you've done here. But on the kinds of issues being discussed in this video the two religions couldn't be more different. Consider the differences between Christian and Islamic teaching on morality. Christianity explicitly teaches that you should love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Islam teaches that you should wage Jihad on your enemies. Christian teaching on marriage tells husbands that they should put their wife's needs before their own, whilst Sharia law (as highlighted in this video) takes the opposite approach. Christianity teaches to turn the other cheek, Islam utterly rejects that morality.
Yes, there are brutal incidents in the history of both religions. But in Christianity the overwhelming majority of that brutality is the result of the same human failings we see from people in any sort of authority and are clearly not in keeping with what is taught in the New Testament and the earliest church tradition. And some of the examples that are commonly given by critics of Christianity were actually not that bad by the standards of the era in which they happened (the Spanish Inquisition, for example, was far less brutal than Spain's secular courts at the time). Whereas most of the examples of Islamic brutality are copying what the Quran, Hadith, and other early islamic literature say about the teachings and example of Mohammed.
Brits, are you mad? Sharia in England? Really?
Muslims living in England (and other parts of the UK) voluntarily choosing to follow Sharia law. Something which is virtually impossible to prevent.
Please discuss female genital mutilation which is still practiced in many muslim countries.
Actually I am working on a video about that!
It is still practiced by Muslims living in the west, too. Disgusting.
Silences about the Sharia laws can be interpreted as the submission to IT .
So don’t be SILENCED ABOUT IT.☮️
Not really though, do you care about every thing that goes on.
I like how you sneaked in that "stay away from [...] Islam" in the end. A nice little bump to your fellow former muslim activist.
I watched a documentary years ago and was shocked to see these councils (I thought they were referred to as courts in the doco?). This woman was all keen to go to one for help with an abb*s1ve marriage. She was visibly taken aback when told it must be that she isn’t a good wife and she must go back to him. It was heartbreaking.😢
If the marriage wasn't registered under Enflish law , why does she need a divorce. She could just abandon him and just sue him for childcare. Easier than long drawn out process of divorcing under English law. Also isn't there a law that recognises defacto relationship?
She could. It's her religious beliefs stopping her. Maybe education is needed that it's not a legal marriage, but that may still not prevent it as she said she still sees herself as married if not islamically divorced.
@9CrystalDragon2 but those like the lady who said that she feels she is having to pay ransom to escape her husband, then why not
There is probably case law that covers some aspects of being in a defacto relationship, but Parliament has never actually legislated to recognise them.
English law is so archaic when it comes to divorce... Their law hasn't evolved that's why there's all these issues. Even for two atheists marrying, the divorce law itself is unfair and getting a divorce is a hassle.
@@jn8922we have no fault divorce. It's easy
Thanks for doing this one.
4:19 it will also allow for the collection of more benefits from the state. Listed as single.
Thanks
If the marriage is not registrated, she is not married. So where is the problem? Just leave.
She probably doesn't know that this is an option. Also, doing so would cause her to be disowned and shunned by the Muslim community, including her family.
You follow the laws of the Nation you are living in. If they do not match your personal beliefs then you need to live in a place that shares what you believe. No one can pick and choose for example: :"I'll follow the Nation's laws for housing and medical care but follow my laws for personal and domestic issues" The UK needs to firmly enforce the fact that ONLY UK laws are followed. I feel the same about the US, only the Constitution and individual State laws are to be followed.
Fantastic work. There should be uniform criminal and civil law. These shariah courts should not hold any legal authority
Thanks!
Welcome
Sharia law is not enforceable in the UK and not recognised. Whether Muslim women choose to subject themselves to such nonsense in a secular country, it's their own folly.
In the British courts men get a horrendous deal when getting divorced. Even in no fault divorces the court is always sympathetic to the woman regardless of her contribution to the marriage. The man has to pay through the nose. Interesting to see the boot on the other foot not that I think this is good.
I mean on the other hand according to law she can walk away... she is not married according to british law. She does not because she wants to stay practicing eventho sharia court is based on sharia law and this is based on their religion.
Thank you for your work!
My pleasure!
She’s not trapped at all, she’s not legally married, just leave.
Easier said than done. She may not know she has this option. She may also fear to take it, since she would be ostracized and condemned by the Muslim community, including her own family.
As a British citizen sharia courts arr a joke in England
Shame that is why some Muslim women stay and let the man marry other women, they really stuck, no job, kids
Brittish common law covers marriage after a certain amount of time cohabitating
That's what I was thinking. Same for Canada, and likely the USA. But these Muslim women are so sheltered, they may not know.
Only for first wife
@@FriendlyExmuslim lol Islam for you.. check mate :)
Does it? That's good news to me. Can you tell me more as I'm in a cohabitation relationship and have been told it's worth noting in the eyes of the law 😕
@@FriendlyExmuslimdo you mean " the female partner" ?
A sovereign nation can not have two sets of laws depending on your religion.
One day in the future these councils could become part of the official judiciary system. It's basically an alternative system now until Muslims become a majority. I can see something like that happening.
Awful idea
Excellent job Friendly Exmuslim 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
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"Even the worm will turn, being trodden on and doves will peck to safeguard their brood."
Shakespeare; Henry VI
We appreciate you a lot, thank you
Thank you & salute to your work
It's as if the UK is positioning itself as the global centre for shyrea law, as such subordinating all of the gulf countries and all mslm countries and all mslms in non-mslm countries.
That's an extraordinary amount of power.
How ? They know British law precedes everything. Even if no council still same rules from local mosque. What is needed is more awareness programmes and all documents in 3 or 4 languages that nothing on these documents is legally binding. These councils only tell what is islamic nothing else. These councils are open etc better than individuals doing it.
Interesting. I just received an email (3-4 weeks ago?) from Aaliyah of We Rise (Collective Muslim feminine empowerment) of the U.K. discussing her experience with the Sharia court system. Her female friend got divorced with no issues or challenges and she hailed that. That seemed to be a more liberal court-which I welcome.
It is always fascinating how people bend religion to suit their needs when given the space to do so.
Its so stunning to me how they really just follow the guidelines given in the Quran, they dont invent anything thats not written there and... THATS THE RESULT 💀💀💀
this needs a followup combined with the "Ali Dawah’s Whiteboard Wifey"
The UK would need to ban all religious courts in order to ban Sharia councils, which is a problem when your nominal head of state is also the nominal head of the ecclesiastical courts. The people willingly subjecting themselves to this are primarily at fault but we definitely still need to point out the crazy organisational structures too.
Setting aside the countries legal system for your own would/should fall under treason and 20-30 years in jail.
Thankyou very informative 👍
My pleasure
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The UK government, even the King, needs to call out that these councils have no legal authority.
Needs to be a law requirement of registration of marriage. No exceptions!! Marriage license required!
This would doom your own Birthrate.
Otto von Bismark did that in the 1870s, and the German Birthrate went down. Civil Marriage is Doom.
How do you enforce that when people choose to live together unmarried?
Church & state are separate no reason for sharia council. Anomaly that needs to legislated immediately
So they Guy rejects the Physical Ring and wants the Money back ?
Bad move. Precious Metal is going up, so the Rings are the better choice.
Name is Aisha, how ironic. I feel sorry for her
It's not her real name. The journalist picks a random name to protect her identity.
@@aretha6360 doesn't sound very random though...
“Who’s your divorce attorney?”
“ Beetlejuice”
oh no, a person sharing facts. Must issue fatwa
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Hahaha
The weak UK governments allowed this for years.
However, if you were married in Shariah Law Only, it follows you aren't married at all as UK Law might say you are Co-habitees
I'm confused you said you can get married but don't have to register your marriage you just won't get the benefits in the UK. That's not a legal marriage then. Any religious marriage without registration is about as valid as two kids pretending to get married. At that point it's just people practicing cohabitation and religious practices. They are subject to any laws that apply to cohabitation. If you have kids child support must be paid, the partner isn't automatically considered next of kin and have no financial obligations towards each other when they separate etc. So by law he can not demand money from her and she can not get anything when "divorcing him". If you want to critisize cohabitation laws that's fine otherwise she's in the same situation as a cohabiting couple legally wise and there's no way to force someone to stop practicing shariah law in private unless any the victim reports any abuse that happened due to that practice. Maybe muslims need to be taught shariah judges aren't actually judges and that they're not legally married as children in school but I could see that backfiring as all this information is readily available and at least is common knowledge to non-muslims. In the article it stated "until I'm divorced islamically I believe that im married" like what can any legal measures be done to change that? The citing of the hadith to justify marrital rape I could see being able to use in a court of law to bring charges against that man if they reported him. Whether it's not really a choice because hell, you said it yourself "willingly subjecting themselves to this" it's her religious beliefs trapping these women not shariah law being above actual law. Now stopping the promotion of shariah through the dawah preachers now that's something that could be looked into.
Yep it's self inflicted damage
If a marriage is made in Pakistan, it is legal in the UK. I guess a Shariah marriage is made in the UK is different?
As a non religious individual, I can see that these courts are absolutely necessary for the protection of muslim women!
I sincerely hope that’s sarcasm!
This should be all over
Don't have a specific thing against any one religion but ALL should be taught ONLY as philosophy until they can be backed up with facts. The barbarism and falsehoods asserted by all of them needs to end.
From what I've researched, very summarised, is that early islam was very different from modern day interpretations. Women were granted rights, trade was significant and political unity was high. Culture influences Muslim nations, like all nations, which is why you get places like Afghanistan installing archaic and dystopian laws. It's just their specific way. But in reality, different interpretations are the problem. While there is unity under one interpretation there isn't unity between different interpretations. It's like Christianity in a lot of circumstances. But just different. The middle east is still dealing with problematic caste systems that control the narrative to suit their interests.
When something can be so easily interpreted, it leaves a lot of room open for abuse. Sharia courts are a slippery slope, and not worth the time. You would have to vet everyone installing the policy as having the 'correct' interpretation. It gets messy for governing. Doesn't leave a lot of navigation for the actual law.
If there is a religious teaching that is said to come from God but contradicts our common sense, then we should re-examine the teachings of the religion, especially its verses.
Reason and brain are gifts from God. God equips us with the ability to think. Therefore reason must be used.
Shouldn't studying religion require reason and faith? So don't just accept religious teachings without examining them critically.
If this happens, the result will be a return to a backward civilization.
Many Muslims understand religion narrowly and it becomes a disaster, making people suffer.
Therefore, my friends, please use common sense before it's too late.
I am also confused about what is behind all this.
Why are these people forcing people from other countries?
In my opinion, it would be better if they were sent home because it would make the country unsafe and unconducive.
GBU
Do all muslim marriages have to follow sharia law??or is it optional
Mandatory
Hiii have u seen.... The kashmir files....
The Kerala story..... Movie?????
This would be illegal in France. Laïcité.
The more I learn about this cult the more I want to vote for farage and I despise him
Don't bother, farage is just worthless piece of garbage that sold a lie and he would be ousted in the next election.
She is not married then
This is very scary for those in the UK.
There is nothing scary at all. It is clear that 99% of respondents are clueless about the legal system within the comprehensive guidance of Islam. I would submit that if you objectively considered the legal system within Islam, you would welcome it.
who is Sharia and why do Brits have a problem with her?
jk
I assume you mean non muslim Brits?
@@nicoladoyle3375 do I really need to explain the joke? than it wouldn't be funny anymore.
I'm also an ex muslim. I know the dangers of sharia very well. maybe not as much as our friendly muslim .
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I thought according to the Quran ,woman may initiate divorces too? Faskh? Khula?
Ya those have conditions and have to be granted by a qadhi/judge
I love how exmuslims are still so obsessed with islam 😂
Not Councils Courts ...Please don't lie
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UK done 😂
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I’m born, raised and live in the UK. You don’t have any deep insight or experience on the UK or Sharia councils here simply by reading a biased online newspaper article. You need to live here to really understand. UK law always takes precedence and Sharia councils have no real power or authority here. If you are devout and wish to abide by its unenforceable rulings or advice then that’s up to the individual - freedom of choice.
See pinned comment by Hassan who lives there
@ he’s a prominent ex Muslim activist. I’ve seen many of his old YT videos. He is obviously entitled to his view but I’m not sure how impartial and objective he can really be on the topic.
I doubt that most British Muslim women know that shariah is optional and unenforceable in the UK.
@@Mr.GeeKhan786 Look at you, moving the goalposts.
The sharia courts in the UK are voluntary mediation. They also aren't allowed to make decisions contary to UK law. Nothing is stopping these women from ignoring the decisions and going on with their lives except their own choices to follow Islam.
So no we shouldn't take away free choice in the UK.
Yes, we should. There should be one law and one way of settling disputes and it has to be secular. Here in Ontario, Canada, we used to have Sharia (and Jewish) religious arbitration, but it was banned quite a while ago... IMO, a good move.
*So no we shouldn't take away free choice in the UK.*
Why not, Muslim countries don't allow free choice, why; should we?
I'm moving to Britian, period!
If you wanna follow your desires in this short period of time on earth and not the creator of the universe to get an ETERNITY of ANYTHING you wish for in the hereafter (INFINITE amount of different activities and creations and pleasures to enjoy), you will disagree with Islam. It's simple
Only thing is it's a lie.
@@FriendlyExmuslimare you an atheist now or have you chosen another religion?
Preserve you're culture,language,faith,customs and traditions, keep your daughters safe.
Sad UK 🇬🇧 can't be more like Poland 🇵🇱 and Japan 🇯🇵
@@Slappayyouzface he’s Athiest
@@FriendlyExmuslim As for those who do not believe in the Hereafter, We have certainly made their ˹evil˺ deeds appealing to them, so they wander blindly.
An-Naml, Ayah 4
i am muslim and firstly dont lie women can get divorce on their own regardless of what the husband says. secondly i actually agree its more common for domestic ab.. to happen is muslim countries i myself was raised in such household and my mom divorced and took me and raised me as a single mother . but i never thought this has anything to do with islam because this is just the culture in some muslims countries it has nothing to do with the religion itself proof ? the prophet muhammad never striked anyone with his hands in his life for anything not his wives not his servant no one . also i think your points on women getting less in islam are very dishonest . you know so much about islam from the looks of it so you also know all men have obligations to provide food and shelter and necessities to their families whilst women dont have any obligation to provide anything like that why dont you comment on how this is unfair for men?shouldnt it be 50/50? . the inheritance is always greater for the males as they will not be allowed to keep all of it and will be obligated to spend it on family unlike women who can use it as they please. also i want to add if a women experiences someone like this then they should forget about divorcing through legal means and just cut ties off with the husband how can god find them in the wrong if they do this ? they will have an excuse that is valid if they are questioned by god .
Reported by Aisha in Sahih Muslim Book 4 2127:
"I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He STRUCK ME ON THE CHEST WHICH CAUSED ME PAIN, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?"
Also in Sahih Bukhari 5825, Muhammad defends a hudband who beat his wife. Aisha even descrived the woman as being hit so hard thay her skin was greener than the clothes she was wearong, and yet muhammad defended thr husband's actions.
Can you quote the Quarnic verses that cover your statements please 👍
It's a cult petal, get out.
@@Superw0rrio firstly learn to read english properly i specified hand for a reason i obviously know of this hadith and the translations could also be shoved me he did this with his body not his hand and if you read the whole passage he did it to make her realise she was having wrong thoughts . such example is very common in everyone's life such as when you have someone sitting next to you and youre speaking to someone else about something you shouldn't they may stamp on your leg to indicate you should stop . discipling children is another things thats considered universally acceptable to a degree. in context you clearly see this wasnt out of malice . furthermore the pain was light and short and no mark could have been left it was obviously not intended to do any harm
You only disagree because you deny the teachings Islam. Not only that, but you don't believe in god! So there's no point of trying to refute your claims. Same thing goes for all the other people here in the comments.
Why are you a Muslim and not a Christian?
Keep your families and children safe from this stone age perv.
Dont manipulate, its a sin.
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