The CLOSEST Finish in Cycling HISTORY?! | Amstel Gold Race 2021
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2024
- Amstel Gold Race 2021 was back after a two year absence after the incredible Mathieu van der Poel edition in 2019, featuring a closed circuit with 12 laps of the Cauberg and over 35 climbs. Most of the big names had lined up, including Julian Alaphilippe, Wout van Aert, Tom Pidcock and Primoz Roglic for what came down to one of the tightest sprint photo finishes I have ever seen, with some people still debating the official result.
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Vansevenant:
broke his wheel
Back to peleton
Crashed in peleton
Get back on bike
(Mechanical problems)
New bike, back to peleton
Attacked chasing group
Helps Alaphilippe
Dropped
Life of a domestique
Loved his fighting spirit, what a worker and talent! New fan here
My guy
Brave soldier
That poor bastard. He just kept on coming back. I liked that the cameras picked him up. Some minor reward for all his efforts.
2 VIDEOS IN 1 DAY?! Thats why we love you lanterne
Just wait till you see LRCP + LRCP clips
I had the captions on while watching this video. The race was transcribed as the AppStore Gold Race. The legendary climb was the “Cowberg,” also the “Cowboy.” Competitors included Peacock, Sharkman and Wavanart. Miraculously, it got Kwiatkowski right once, just once.
“Climby Sprinty Boys” 👍👍
*bois
@@Chrissummerill u right u right
aka Sean Kelly
FUN FACT: The official gap between Pidcock and Van Aert was reported at 4/1000ths of a second. While on stage seven of the 2017 Tour de France the gap between Marcel Kittel and Edvald Boasson Hagen was 2-3/10.000ths of a second.
FACTS when i so the title i also tought about that finish
fun fact: 4/1000ths of a second is around 6 centimeters at 60k/hr. So make that 4/10000ths (four / ten thousands) of a second (equivalent to 6mms, which is far more likely).
@@l.d.t.6327 quick maths....krakakaaa ratatata
@@Stefan_W. bruh not in a cycling race they both wouldnt enyoy their victory
@@Stefan_W.
Why would the one who finishes first not be first even when it's so close? First is first.
Schelling chucking the devil horns out to mates while he's blasting away off the front of the race is my YOLO award winner of the day.
7:48 Van Aert pulls a little wheelie with his bike throw at the end.
If two riders are inseparable at the line the win goes to the one pulling a wheelie?
I’m ok with that.
@@mynewcolour that probably won him the race frankly
at 3500 frame a second, we now challenge the cameras placement. love this sport!!! glad to have you back covering current races (almost in real time)!!
Thanks, LR, another great analysis. Well spotted too on the photo-finish. Obviously, as a Brit, I wanted Tom to win but WVA has just snatched it by, as you said, the narrowest of margins. But thanks to both of them for making it such a memorable finish.
The official video referee was interviewed on the Dutch TV and stumbled. It was clear that the photo was taken about 20 cm before the finish and Pidcock was launching his bike and catching up. We'll probably never know for sure but it looked like Pidcock was actually ahead on black line (not the photo).
Absolute legend that number 4 of quick step, i am lucky enough to live next to the geulhemmerberg and he was absolutely flying up there
Mauri Vansevenant...true fighter! Regards from Brazil.
i wish they showed us some side of the road footage of riders whizzing past in the broadcast to remind us just how fast the peleton is. the motorcycle and helicopter footage is obviously important to follow the race, but as a viewer i get complacent and need a visual dramatic reminder of just how fast the elites are.
@@johnnysecular they're absolutely crazy, i think first 4 or 5 laps was 42km/h average
@@kyanclaessens4777 crazy
Great highlights thank you
Man of the match is DEFINITLY Vansevenant!
3 times unlucky, 3 times back in the group AND strong af
Remember, there was the 1990 Paris-Roubaix with Eddy Planckaert beating Steve Bauer by a hairs width.
Great job on your recaps! Keep up the great work.
5:04 pog that's me trying to go to work lol
Really xD
In a car? Cmon - ride your bike, ride your bike, ride your bike :-)
@@chrisko6439 I'm not the one in the car I'm the one on my bike behind it lol
@@chrisko6439 usually i go down the road the agr went down but I was just a bit too late to go down there
@@kyanclaessens4777 Very good.
Is it just me? When he says Cauberg I imagine cows on an icy hill
Lol it's because the berg in iceberg has the same (Dutch?) origin. It literally means mountain. The meaning of Cau I don't know
Absolutely gutted for Tom Pidcock, but well ridden for all.
Pidcock is the real winner - the finish line should be decisive and not something else that riders and spectators cannot see
Schachmann with 3rd place after this technical issue and nearly crash, he did a great comeback! You just don’t want to face WVA in a sprint
For the records, the cauberg hasn't been in the last 3 kms of AGR since 2016
Pidcock is amassing some serious UCI points in his first season!
First season? Crazy. But happy wout won. Another 2nd finish would have been sour.
Well he did it now!
In cases like this the rule should be a free-kick style 300mt / 53x11 fixed gear sprint starting from a surplace
Great review..... as always
"Climby-sprinty boys"
Wonderful vernacular
Wout is Pidcocks lead out man
I never knew this before, but the line the photo finish camera uses and the actual physical finishing line is different.
Looks like the winners bike was on the air at the time of crossing the line at 7:47. Since the front end of the tire is used as opposed to the grounding portion of the wheel, I guess that is considered acceptable. Thoughts?
Yeah, the rules state that the very first part of the bike (always a wheel normally ofcourse) that crosses the line wins no matter the height. Best is to imagine a thin wall going straight up on the line and the one first touching it wins.
@@MDP1702 Makes sense. I am imagining that it would have been better if the pressure point (the portion where the tire contacts with the ground) as the "crossing", but the rules have to be drawn somewhere and current "air" point looks good from TV point of view as reference.
@@sred5856 The problem with the pressure point on the ground is 1. what if the first tire is in the air due to a last push (like sunday) and 2. it can be much more difficult to get a good view of this pressure point, than just the first point of the wheel
The way Vansevenant rode today i 100% believe he could have joined those 3 if he hadn't been a domestique and had so many issues. He had diamond legs as Adam Blythe would say!
Been waiting for this👍
helped by a bit of the cervelo's aero there! LOL
“It had in it some climby springy bois”- LR 2021
Maybe irellevant/off topic, and not to take anything from AGR, but again an unredeemed feeling missing one big thing in the spring classics.
Looking forward to be witnessing The Queen of Classics actually being completed this fall. Really a cornerstone missing between De Ronde and LBL, a strange feeling to have ones cornerstone been pulled away. Schachmann did the right thing with the attack a couple of k's before finish line, and in a split second I though he got away with it.
Pidcock has now won his last 2 races
Please comment upon Doimalin’s
Stylish jackst
If he races the tour wearing that he’ll win every stage
You said what we were all thinking.
Dumoulin
Doimalin huh?
I live for the double upload
Congrats to Wout. And definitely a heartbreaker for Tom.
I wonder how the TDF is going to play out for Alaphillipe. It seems like he has been off his top form this spring. Not that I think him or the team would purposely forgo targeting the classics but I wonder if we are going to see a resurgent Alaphillipe at the tour.
Matthews again proving to be the best sprinter in the second group on the road, as he seems to do every big one day race.
@@nathan558 That's a great shout. If it was between those two rather than Pidcock and WVA they would have declared it a tie.
tbf valverde kicked from like 300 m n it was pretty close between those two
That photo from the tablet before the official photo... if you look closely, you see that WVA's tube is just a bit further in the line than TP's! So, winner? Wout van Aert! But yeah, reeeeeeeeeally very close.
Apparently schachmann won the Amstel lager necking competition on the podium... anyone got a video of that cos I bet it’s quite funny ha
It was just lemonade tho 0% alcohol
@@ah8372 he boasted about it too! The fraud!
@@roxochri5 :D
Pidcock tried the left/right goodnight one too many times this week...
LOVELY to see Tom Dumolin, as well!
Nice to hear that you just accept the result.. (LFR, for example, is still whining about it, even one week later???) You just got a follower!
Pidcock will have his day no doubt...star in the making
How do you manage to make these exactly 8:16 long?? I don’t comprehend it lol
Wait you're right ! Is this an easter egg we don't know about?
@@spicypretzel7616 Haha yeah honestly. Might just be his recipe about the videos and he manages to get it right on time🤷🏻♂️
I think Pidcock timed his lunge slightly early. I wonder if that made the difference. Its nice to see a new guy emerge you might be able to compete in the big hilly races.
why is there no alpecin fenix playing?
To judge the photo finish, you must understand it. Cyclists move in front of the camera, but you only see them at one point in the photo because of the narrow field of view; they are just right in front of the camera for a very short time. But because so many frames are taken as they move past it, the image of the whole rider (and others) can be shown. It is one still photo that is exposed from left to right,
frame by frame but always exactly on the finish line, in place from all at once with a wider field of vision. Is horizontal on the finish photo so basically a time axis and not like normal place axis. It other words, it is the distances between the riders that is relevant because a foto finish can only see what is right at the line.
Olympic road race 2021.. Photo finish for WVA and Pogacar
nice LR liked the race pidcock is a great racer he has a nose on I for making a causing splits little like kwiato a bit hes another who could win all 5monuuments if lombardia goes his way the others he should be one of the favorites. Hes there man (GB) for worlds too imo if I gambled with MVDP MTB even more reason . Great attitude and style he is a racer im a fan for sure
Wait. Do they determine the winner by the one who hits the first white line first or the black line first?
According to the UCI regs, the finish line is the white-to-black transition. The reality is that the photo finish camera works better with a light colored background so it is pointed slightly ahead of that theoretical line.
Excellent analysis as always.
Some of my fellow Brits need to get out more: WVA won because the commisaires say so. End of story.
Both photos showed who won
Amazing
Geeeeeeeeeed up
FINALLY 😍
Really like how you addressed the reasons why there was so much controversy over this.
Honestly in cases like this, why not call it a tie?
Anyway, great stuff again. Please keep it up.
Please comment upon Doumalin’s jacket
I thought the jacket was smooooth
@@kelldub78 very smoove
Climby-sprinty boys. Excellent creative languaging.
I believe the 2010 World Champs U23 race was closer. Boivin and Phinney had to share the Bronze medal: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_UCI_Road_World_Championships_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_under-23_road_race
Yellow red white color😍
Apparently there is a cycling finish from the 90s or early 20s where the two cyclists won bc they were close to the 0.00X of a second. Only the guy at the tv booth new who won but they never said who it was.
my picks for the day were pidcock and schachmann
Don't forget TdF 2017. It was much closer then.
I love climby sprinty bois
This man needs a night hood
anyone else seem to pick up bad blood between pidcock and wva? no handshake of congrats after
Great videos! No woot for Wout for me. If you don't take a few pulls in the breakaway, you don't deserve to pinch that win at the end. The cycling equivalent of sniping IMO.
Dude... He waited 5 sec before he started pulling after that Pidcock attack (which is understandable) and from then on all three did their turns. Get your facts straight.
@@devidiathe dude probably based his thoughts from just highlights😂
lol at us all becoming experts in photo-finish technology - would be good to hear from an actual expert how and where they're meant to be set up, what their margin of error is, etc.
GOOOOODAYYYYE M8T.
I been following you since the beginning.
I changed my avatar a few times but I'm still loyal AF.
That air Wout front wheel catches at 7:47 is probably the reason why many photos seem to show Pidcock as crossing the line first; an optical illusion of sorts. The front wheels are no longer in the same plane of reference. Very strange bike throw by Wout however, it can't be efficient to throw a bike slighlty upwards when you want it to go forwards. Or has he inadvertently invented a new better way of throwing a bike at the line? More uci rules on the way? 🙂
Nope, the closest finishes was between Kittel and Eddy in Tour de France or the norwegian championship between Bystrøm and Hvideberg
I agree. In that one, the photo showed them as absolutely even. I have no idea how they determined a winner. Can’t recall another one that close.
great performance by schachmann considering his crash
I'd buy a shirt that says climby sprinty boi
Should have been a dead heat. Too close to call. Photo-finish camera wasn't aligned with finishing line as you can see from the yellow and green background colours (it should have been red).
Note to UCI: if photo-finishes need a white background to make the photo readable then why not make the actual finish line a white line with two green or red lines either side? Then at least you could line the photo-finish camera up on the actual finish line and not several inches before it which was the case here.
To think that this camera wasn't checked to be in the proper place before is either stupid or naive. Maybe this might not be the case in smaller races, but in a world tour race? Come on, don't be silly.
Why wouldn't they put the finish camera not on the right place?
It seems btw that the red line in the picture of the finish used to claim it was not set up right, veeres more to the back when going to the other side, appearing it to be corresponding to the red add. Moreover the picture used comes from a tv camera that wasn't placed to be perfectly positioned, it might just be giving a wrong impression. We'd have to have a photo from directly on that side of the line to be certain it isn't just a deception on the eyes.
It isn't even certain the enclosure with the adds are fully perpendicular with the finishline, completely changing all the facts used to say it was placed wrong. It is much more likely that these nadars weren't precisely placed then the camera.
There just are so many possible factors that we can't say anything about it based on this single camera angle.
@@MDP1702 The technology does not allow a black line to be used as a finishing line for a photo finish. So they always use the white line. So I agree with Honkler that as this is known they should simply swap the colours of the lines around to make a white line the middle race winning line so that the camera can be set up exactly on the marked line.
@@Flakey101 Thing is, the riders also know where photofinishcamera is/should be, after all if we know it, so should they.
There are actually finishes with one white line, in this case the camera is focused right at the front of this white line, with a double white line (like sunday) they put it at the end of the first big with line, right before the black finishing line. Eitherway we are talking about maybe a few mm difference at most, with whatever setup you'll have a problem with human precision. There just will be no way to be exactly precise on the finishing line, unless that finishing line is the same width of the camera slit, something like a mm or so, completely invisible for the riders and thus useless anyway and practically impossible to focus the camera on this small line across several meter.
The only reason people are now making a problem of it and not sooner is because their prefered rider didn't win, but you'll never satisfy everyone, the current rules are more than clear enough. If my favorite rider loses like Pidcock, I'll be bummed, but I will be able to accept it and not start making excuses.
And to close, it is unlikely any rider will be able to time it perfectly to the mm or even the cm, in the end it is just going as fast as possible, jumping right before the finishline (at several m from the finishline the 5mm or so isn't going to matter in their calculation for when to place their jump) and either getting lucky or unlucky if you weren't able to create a clear difference.
Sometimes you just need a bigger bike frame to win
Everything to me looks like Pidcock beat Van Aert.
The "official" pic showing van aert winning makes Pidcock look all squashed.
Did anyone notice near the end of this video that Van Aert's front wheel rose a few inches off the floor as he crossed the line. I wonder if this led to it appearing that he won.
Every rider looks squatched, this is because the focus of the picture is in the tires, not the riders.
it would be the opposite. his wheely raises his wheel's leading edge so the leading edge of his wheel would cross later. Apparently the distortion has to do with frame rate. most photofinishes are squished or stretched because the framerates are chosen based on predicted speed. If they had gone much slower than the predicted speed, the photofinish would be stretched. as they would be in the finish cams view for longer and so they would take up more frames.
"Climby, spinty bois"
Link to discord?
It’s in the community tab but you have to be a member to see it 😊
Mauri is winning fleche
Pidcock still has his water bottle
4 thousands of a second at 60 kph gets you two thirds of a millimetre, not sure how you can see that on a photo finish
My maths get me at 1 thousands of a second for 1,7 cm at 60km/h. But the margin between WvA and TP was much less than that, so I guess it must have been something like 1 or 2 mm. That’s would make a time difference of about 0,1 thousands of a second. (after a >200km ride 😁)
Like GCN shows here th-cam.com/video/-Gj8UNw5TBE/w-d-xo.html is that the photofinish "photo" was probably taking at the white line, not at the line we all think is the finish line !
Anyone think the lack of alaphillipe snap this year is because he wants to win the tour in the world champ jersey?
No, he just wasn't good enough this spring. There really is no reason for him to not be good now if he could be. Moreover what about other tour contenders that are good now (like Roglic)?
I actually don't see how Alaphilippe can win the tour or another grand tour, he couldn't even follow on the climb in tirreno-adriatico and he is more of a puncher than a real climber imo. If I am proven wrong, awesome, but I don't think so. The best place he ever had in a grand tour was 5th and for the rest he didn't break into the top 30. His goal for the tour is maybe take the yellow early on and win a few stages, as well as prepare for the olympic.
Btw in earlier interviews springraces were a goal for him.
Yeesss!
I so it on TV. Belguim
Well.. it happened again!
I see this kind of things 5 times a game in football ;)
Without Roglic's mechanical, Van Aert still wins, but by at least a centimetre.
Too bad Ineos doesn't run wider tires would have made the difference
It’s almost good pidcock didn’t win this race because he doesn’t want to seem too dominant, coz he’s going to win a lot more bigger races 🇬🇧
In your dreams pirate.
I do not want to start an argue on any conspierency theories here but can we just watch Roglic who putting his bike to the side because of his macanical again?😂
The moment he spins his cranks it looks a bit like they are touring more than they normaly should.
I do not want to get Roglic into difficulty I like him realy well because of his behavior to other participans with whom he is racing but for me this moment looked a bit weird.
Correct me if I am totaly wrong 😂
Are you dense mate? It's because his chain is off so there's no resistance against the pedals
@@itzStrFtw Yes I am 😂
I thought that he had put on the chain again in this clip because it looked a bit like the back wheel was spinning when he turned the pedals. But I admit he probably did not had his chain on when he took his hands of the pedals.
We were able to blame Durianrider😂😂😂😂😂
He made a video on this topic
Lanterrrrrrrrrne!
WVA my boy so fucking beast on sprints 🔥
TOM PIDCOCK WON THIS RACE THE PHOTO FINISH LINE IS BEFORE THE ACTUAL FINISH LINE IT'S RIGGED
The photo finish you see isnt a normal picture. It is a very narrow camera picture that takes a long thin photo every period if time, meaning that the 𝑥 axis is time not space. So whoever is in front on the photo reached the line first.
I hope I worded that alright.
@@dandalf3853 lol I think the photo finish camera was placed a few centimetres before the line which is what he is referring to
THERE IS A PAGE DEDICATED TO PIDCOCKS WIN ON QANON.
If the camera was right before the line I'm p sure pidcock would have been ahead of wout
@@psd9850 the photo finish is NEVER aligned with the black line. It is aligned with the last part of the white line before the black line, because the black line wouldn't enable to distinguish the rubber of the tires (black with black background). The black line itself is 4cm wide FYI.
but Wout did a wheelie... Pidcock crossed the line first, Wout was above the line. Come on UCI officials.
If the finish line isn't the finish line....
Bart ist great, but of course Pidcock won.
WvA wasn't gonna pull after the last race c'mon
Pidcock is the real winner - the finish line should be decisive and not something else that riders and spectators cannot see
The photo finish is undecisive so Pidcock is the real winner?
That's some strange reasoning.
@@Th0mazzo no, they did not decide from the real finishline and that is not good and not very fair...
It was that close Tom didn't lose
He did, the official photo of the finish showed it, he isn't contesting it either, so I don't understand how people still can't just accept he narrowly lost this race.
@@MDP1702 nationalism
@@MDP1702 ... No he did not ... he won ... There was a time when photos never lied ... but we are in the big tech era and that can no longer be said ... so i trust my eyes and my eyes tell me he won ... great win Tom, Great win
@@jeanlawley6483 Your eyes can easily be deceived by a picture taken with a lens that is meant to show as much as possible, possibly placed on a slight angle and not on the exact right position, exactly the kind of camera used by the tv in this setup. These kind of line camera's will btw always be in favor of the riders closest to it.
Anyway in the end it is always the photofinishcamera that decides who wins and all riders know this.
@@imjstcl no, I am not from England and I think that Pidcock is the real winner - the finish line should be decisive and not something else that riders and spectators cannot see!