M3 Touring: Where AMG Failed it - BMW Nailed it!!
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Fact: Super Wagons are cool. So we all wanted an #M3Touring ever since they made that E46 concept car. And on the 50th anniversary of #BMWM they fulfilled our desires: but should we actually have asked for it? This appears on paper, a car compromised - with a whopping 85kg extra weight due to because of going touring, no carbon roof, Slower to 60… and a face many still aren’t happy with.
But in my expedience, what’s on paper doesn’t mean sh*t in reality. #BMW M have allegedly pulled a rabbit out the hat with this one and we’re gonna find out together on a first drive today - where I’ll compare it to the other M3 and M4 variants, the CSL, And most crucially - the new C63 hybrid. Let’s see if the M3 touring is worth the hype!
This car has come in a generation where, not everyone is happy with the M3. Particularly its face - but reviewers like myself, love it for its dynamic and emotional prowess. The M3 Touring comes in Competition XDrive only, meaning AWD and paired to the 8 Speed torque convertor box. And the most powerful normal M3 too (more on CS later) with the S58 engine making 510 BHP and 650NMs. The Xdrive is the clever one from M5, so switchable drift mode. More crucially, means car feels more RWD most of the time.
So a heart basis, but the touring body however, adds complications. the body in white NEEDS extra bracing for the rear structure and it also needs a unique rear axle subframe. All of this to make the car as close to the Sedan as possible. The glass and rear structure adds additional weight - thus adding 85KG to the car, and slowing the 0-60 to 3.7 seconds… So it makes the car less dynamic, and not as fast…. Or does it?! We will see.
The design is epic: Just the doors shared with a standard 3 series. Your eyes drawn instead to the massive front arches, and all new rear end! Giving this car bulk that the C63 doesn’t have. Speaking of C63S E Performance, what does this drive like compare to that wagon? I’ll try and fill you in!
We will also talk about the Future - will they make an M3 CS Touring? They better! And is this the only M Perf wagon? Rumour has it, the M5 hybrid might also gain a touring version!
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Portland, JAMAICA in the Building!!!
as a c63 owner. The next gen c63 is trash. To edit this I brought C63 edition 1 with every single option when they lunched. The car cost almost 130000 dollars plus tax. The only reason I bought this not other is because the V8 sound.
Same here. I suspect the new one is a 75,000 miles and throw it away.
Imagine how much crazy tech AMG needs to put inside of the new C63s with a small 4 cylinder. It will be very costly to maintain in the long run.
But no one can deny the power figures. Personally I pick raw power over everything so I don’t mind it
its time to make the switch
Yeah I’ve heard that tbf
I really never know when there is a real car in front of him
1990: It's that perfect amount of horsepower you want 220bhp. 2023: It's that perfect amount of horsepower you want 510bhp. 2040: It's that perfect amount of horsepower you want 1200bhp.
I'd be too old for 1200bhp!!
No problem for...a BMW M with half of it, can realize it also on German-Autobahn, Public-Driver-Streets and on Racetracks as Green Hell..."Stay Cool" as now. :-)
@@bigpants6121 we’ll probably sit in it and not drive by then 😆
@@meady200 and we can point at it!
Something called weight.
I'm not really into wagons but man I've been a huge fan of the M3 since it came out, absolutely stunning, and insane road presence
For 27 years I only owned BMW cars... Gap between "ultimate driving machine" and the rest has been shrinking this whole time, but it is still there so I am going to keep buying BMW.
I'd be interested in you listing every one you've owned, if you have the time 🙂
@@MrCathal09 a 27 year old 118d
@@MrCathal09 Sure.. My first one and the first car I bought was 320i e30 (1996). 1999 I bought 325i e36. 2001 I bought e46 320d, two years later I got one year old e46 M3. Drove it till 2007 when I bought 325i e92 (new). I got my first kid in 2009 so I sold it and bought e91 320d and we traded my wife's A3 2.0tdi for e87 118d. 2012 I sold my car and bought f10. Drove it till 2017 when I bought f31 320d and I still have it to this day (124 000 miles), only my wife drives it now. We sold her e87 2014, when I got company car (Merceses C klass), and after that I had another C klas as a company car. Now I drive BMW X3 (G01), 18 months old 30i (it is a company car), so I didn't buy it same as Mercedes. We plan on keeping f31 for another year or two and then go for petrol 1 series... That is my whole BMW history. Drove other cars as well (friends, family, rental...), but I only spent my own money on BMW.
Ps: This is my real name, I live in Rijeka (Croatia), and work as regional director in one of the largest security company...
Nice one 😀
With that hideous grill!? NEVER
*I requested this car to BMW North America for two decades. Now the 🦄 has finally been produced. The M3 Touring needs to come to the United States 🇺🇸!*
Come to the UK then 🇬🇧.. we welcome you. Yanks and all
Very very disappointed sweet wagons like this cannot be had stateside.
Best looking car on the road under 100k… and yes even from the front
totally agree!
So you guys like fat looking pigs, fair enough ☺
@@terminatedphil i dont know what kind of pigs you have in your country but they must be really nice looking😎
I love your videos, you speak in such a concise and measured way about all the cars and never skip the details. Truly great content, for free! Thank you
Love the subtle digs towards AMG boring styling 😂👌🏼😎 voice of the people
It is funny that every shot taking from outside you are diving so slow but every shot taking inside of the car you are driving very fast.
Love wagons and love this channel... that’s the dream car right there! Maybe in 10 years I’ll get one lol £100k is a bit steep for me 😂👍
We do not want the C63 anymore. Benz messed it up
This car is a long awaited thing of beauty 😍
The 4 cylinder +200kg fake C63 is such a mistake from amg made even more clear by this M3
it wasnt their choice the government forced them
Mad car. Comfortably beats an rs6 from class above so i doubt it'll have much trouble with an rs4 or c63 wagon
I have tested all 3 cars, the M3 has a fantastic Dynamic but the Rs4 competition is drammaticly faster and more aggressive.
Amg is a very lower range
@@essential328 the rs4 is not faster lol
@@timonxDlol He said Audi RS4 'COMPETITION'
@@essential328 LOL bro are you drunk ?.
But the RS6 is the only car anybody with a brain would buy. Undoubtedly has the looks with performance unlike the M3 touring. Shame really.
Crazy how you went from Mr AMG to Mr “M” hate AMG
Top bloke nhlanahalalla 😅
well he discovered that Bmw M just is the best. nothing more to it ;)
Because AMG does not exist any more…and M cars were always better, the only benefit of amg’s was sound (maybe…in the past with 6.2/5.5 L Engines)…
Literally 9 out of 10 AMG fans hate the new C63s, he speaks the truth. What are you talking about?
Lot more ad revenue talking about BMW’s over Benzes.
Very nice wagon. I’m looking at picking up a F80 M3 2017 or a 2017 C63 wagon. What ever way I go, I just want to keep it for the occasional spin. I love the M3 but the 4.0 V8 is tugging at my heart strings.
Personally I think it’s very close to perfection wound of loved a touch more power to compensate for the extra kgs.... but looks stunning even the front seems to look softer in the wagon I know it’s the same lol the rear is amazing the interior is stunning
The visual effects are awesome keep it up!
Duuuude, that thing is so awesome! I so wish we could get wagons like this in the US! It really is too bad. I'm not sure but it seems like the only performance wagon we can get USA is a Cadillac with a V8 supercharged.
Great review. So sad its not coming to Canada/North America…have an X5 and 3 series touring but would absolutely sell them both to buy this beast instead…
“510 bhp is the perfect amount of power”. So my 86 bhp car is a bit down on power I guess, ok. Still having fun though.
I dislike the big screen. It suits the the 7 series BMW’s but not the lower models.
2 years waiting list? There's 17 on Autotrader. All have sub 300 miles and some have 50 miles, which is just delivery miles
Mercedes should start using bmw engines like the inline 6 such a good engine
Mercedes should continue focusing on luxury segment cars.
Actually, they never belonged in motorsport…
@@Emdreikommt yes they did look at the amg gt, sls, slr, and g63 they have potential to be in the motorsport those cars actually were way better.
@@Emdreikommt including the cls
I've been an Audi fan for years, always turned my nose up at BMW bland interiors. But the last few years they've massively stepped up their game and they are building cars that will appeal to all of us let down by Audi and Merc. You can keep your 4cl AMG's and your diesel S4's. The M Sports division is now the go to.
Why buy a c43 or s4 when you can get an M340i?
Why buy a C63 over an M3?
M3 The best at this moment
BMW digital dashboard 🖥️ is super crisp, clear, and nice and large. The problem is it’s NOT seamlessly integrated into the dashboard as it should be, it sharply 🔳 jets out too much. It needs Google Maps 🗺️.
I wish we could get them in America
Too bad we will not get it in the US. Is the steering feel on this any better than on the M4? The M4 felt very artificial and didn't really offer much road feel but I hear you say you like the road feel on this one.
You will get the M5 wagon
Great vid as usual, really good watch 🫶🏼💙🏴
I imagine you'll have issues with that garage door with such along span over it
Imo this is the best way to sell a car offer a convertible/coupe and sedan/wagon there’s something for everyone
Just bummed I probably won't even see one in person being in the US. I know we have the better-sounding M and AMG cars without those OPF filters but hate that we don't get some of the niche cars like the M3 Touring.
I own a X4M Competition in the UK. Watching videos of it in the States brings a tear to my eye. Unfortunately, I can't justify paying the money to make it sound like it was meant to. I love the car, but it sounds like dog shit. My 2001 Volkwagon Golf V6 4motion sounded better than my 2022 M car🤦♂️
Hopefully one day I get this car.
1 thing i dislike is the smaller diameter front wheels. Other then that i love it.
Superb review, ❤👏👍it is an awesome car for sure , looking forward to your next Video .
Thank you for supporting BMW for doing the right thing (at least for now), unlike the new rubbish AMGs. No one should ever buy the new C43 or C63 and enable this behaviour from Mercedes, and this is coming from a previous gen 43 owner. Let's hope BMW is still making straight 6s by the time I get a new car.
I saw the first Video from u and its well done. Great Effects.
BMW M4 Mxdrive beats 911 GTS on the track
I love M3:s but no chance against a 911 GTS on track. Maybe against the base 911
Nice bus. I like estates ,, and so fat its been Audi thats always seems to lead the way , great to see some competition .
what ?? the e63s estate is faster more practical and also more luxurious than audi rs6
@@The_Shape20 but no where near as sweet looking ,,, even the Volvo 850R had better looks than the AMG e63
Hi. Thanks for the video and great presentation as always! Please could I ask. You mention the new C63 and also a video to come comparing the M3 touring, the new C63 and the Audi RS. Please could you review the facelift C63s (4.0 v8 bi-turbo)? As a C63s estate 2019 owner I’m curious to see how it compares. Thanks and keep up the good work! 😊
Finally we've got the RBR review of the m3 touring!
With you all the way Raz. I have a C63 Black Series and a C63s Final Edition and I would swerve the new C63s for this M3 Wagon. It looks the part and I understand it drives the part also. As always would be good to meet up at some point. I have yet to transform my C63 Black Series but plan to do it sometime soon.
I lost it at willy holders🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What would you prefer: this one or the Audi RS4 competition?
The front end is great! Its not "pretty" or elegant but man when you see that brutal open maw coming up behind you, it looks so aggressive and menacing! Yes I am a bit biased as I'm an M4 CSL owner...but I always like it. BMW make an even BIGGER twin kidney on the 7 series. I kinda like that one too! 😂
M3 is going to make a killing as the rivals flopped it.
Vorsteiner and Adro are going to make a killing because BMW don't know how to design the grille.
Great car I was potentially considering him as my daily but.... it has to small fuel tank, 59ltrs when during test drives I was not so furious and he was showing average consumption 15ltrs/100.
The front end looks good on the wagon.
Can't get past the grill.
don't BBQ then
3:34 - B5 Touring? Its by far the most desirable for me
Simpy looks amazing!!!!! Car for the dads!! :DD
If it was posable to spec my version it will be a wagon, rear wheel drive, non competion, manual. 👌
It's beautiful and I don't care about sub specs compared to the saloon. We dont get it in Canada 😮💨
I think that BMW did the right thing waiting for an AWD M3. Saying that BMW makes the 340i xDrive witch is all the car you will ever need with plenty of performance and within that huge grille you are just a tume away from the perfect sleeper!
Personal opinion only. this would be almost perfect if it had the 340 lci face and the manual gearbox. Manual wagons are just obnoxiously cool.
I’m also a touring fan, M3 T is magnificent but… the most desired touring in my opinion is Alpina B5S Touring
Cut that abhoration of a grill in half and it looks perfect
Why do you never show us inside when you launch? Want to see if it pins you to your seat
On the road ... 500hp is stupid power that can't be used. That doesn't mean we shouldn't buy it of course ;)
But the rear door is the regular version so there is an abrupt bulge when the rear door transitions into the rear fenders? Am I seeing this right?
What is that exterior colour of the car in the video?
It’s perfect, apart from the way the front looks.
The M3 Touring should really come with a solid *Carbon Fiber Roof,* or a solid metal roof with solar panels.
As an owner of a 2018 E63 s AMG have missed nothing
think the video has a problem, the dash speedo is blurred?
What a weak joke!
I am a Benz/ AMG guy but BMW/ M is definetily the same level and best alternative
Amg trash now, M is in the lead
i wonder what goodies they will save for the M3 Touring CS
As good as the new M3 Touring might be, I still can't wrap my head around those 'beaver teeth' sticking out in the front.
100% a deal breaker. Ugly as sin.
I love it because the car in real life is beautiful and has a “character” , that other brands hasn’t with their designs they seems soulless, m4- m3 is like a beast, so aggressive
The front end looks great. Just another person that can’t accept a change in design. Beautiful vehicle all around.
Mercedes' cars look like Marshmallows, Audi's look like Taxis... I guess BMW looking like an animal is not so bad..
Whilst it drives perfectly and is a delight, BMW styling has fallen to pieces in recent years and it is not just the ugly grille…this car is the same basic shape as it was 20 years ago but fiddled with endlessly to make it covered in old bulges, creases, the same dull window treatment and now cover the thing in awful satin paint which makes it look ten times worse! Is MB or Audi better?…bits are but this whole segment is looking dated…it is useful and better than the saloon but new ideas are needed!! 🤔🧐😳
What if the function in the front seats? Ballcrusher?
The major issue is not the looks - I think it’s stunning and imposing.
The major issue is when are BMW going to sort out the steering.
They need the Alfa QV steering in this car and it’s a world beater.
What a spec! 😍
What would you prefer: this one or the Audi RS4 competition? Would love to hear your thoughts
Why would anyone spec those seats in a daily driver? They's drive you mad. I think I'd still go for an Alpina B3 instead. More subtle and probably a more comfortable daily.
I've got the c63s v* wagon. Best daily
Alpina was making some wagons before this but that’s not really BMW but it is I dunno
When they blur out the main binnacle you know he's speeding...,...
Not sure whether or not I should replace my Panamera ST GTS with this? Thoughts?
Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio Wagon is coming with 600hp
Well done BMW these m cars will for around for along time given the current c63 mercedes range 🚗🚘
RS6 🔥🔥🔥🔥
This or a Giulia quadrifoglio?
m3
We make too much of the CF vs. steel roof. A CF roof will drop the weight and CG microscopically. It might mean something if Schumacher was racing Senna at 110% on an F1 track, but to us mortals… it means nothing.
They have flared the rear arches but skipped the rear doors as in the sedan.
BMW retired the kidney grill for the lung grill.
For a BMW thats really good looking.
Still the best content fella. 👍👍
I like the M3 sedan, not a wagon fan. BMW I6 engine is so good, much better than new C63s. But that screen is like a second thought.
Sucks we will never get this in the US.
*How to buy a £100k M3 for cheap:*
Step 1) don't. Let some other t**t buy it. Wait for him to sign the paper
Step 2) Enjoy the 20% VAT instantly knocked off the price.
Step 3) wait 1 year, let the depreciation of a few grand kick in
Step 4 (Optional) wait for a better deal..wait 3-4 years more for more depreciation
Step 5: Now buy it
BMW bring this estate touring to the states!
I wish BMW would bring back the Touring bodies back to the US. Love my e61, but she’s getting old.
My God, I will never understand the love for these station wagons overseas.
But then, seeing them in the 80's with their wood side-paneling completely scarred me for life I guess.
Same. I think 'station wagon' and think of my dad's old beater from when I was a little kid
Can we have this with the previous dash instead of this half baked iPad?
2yrs waiting if u want to buy, 1year for lease thanks I 'll have the lease thanks!!
Great car, every perfect except the outdated steering, they should have put the new m steering
The cockpit is the worst evolution in BMWs history. It's fancy tech but it is implemented very poorly that will get dated very quickly. Why can't they integrate it with a covering or a actual design into the dash? This is like a movie equivalent of making a remake 'woke' for the 'modern audiences'