Honestly out of everything, my biggest annoyance is getting rid of all the buttons (climate control, heated seats etc). They are not “old-fashioned”, cars look better with them - especially in BMWs with the silver buttons that look really nice! Plus apart from the look, they are easier, better, and safer to use when driving, compared to having to use the screen.
Couldn't agree more. It's just trend for the sake of it (blame Tesla for starting it - out of saving money due to a simpler manufacturing process - but blame the other marques for following blindly even more so)
Jesus. All the complaining about lack of buttons. I had an ‘07 MDX, and a ‘14 Cayenne. Most buttons EVER. I’ve also owned a Model 3 and have a G80 coming. This is enough buttons. Everything is auto these days anyway!
thank you for saying it how it is, seems all other journalist/reviewers are being too kind as to not ruin any kind of brand relationship they have with bmw
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@@fifteen8850Chris Harris and Sam (from Seen Through Glass) have both said it has grown on them. The only way it looks better is if there are even worse designs next to it. BMW XM and iX are both strong contenders. The Alfa and the Project 8 both look fantastic, so it really suffers in that company. I truly hate it and everything that BMW has become, but since I would be unlikely to buy one anyway, they clearly shouldn’t care what I think.
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Yeah, that is the thing that annoys me the most in this review since I think that the design is great, one of the best looking M3's ever together with E46 and F80! The car has serious presence and masculinity, especially in person, and that is my opinion as a designer. Since the taste is subjective category, he shouldn't spend so much time convincing us that the car is ugly, since it isn't to many other people out there. He just becomes annoying and unbearable to watch!
talking of balls. If yours hang low and you're wearing loose trousers you will lose them getting in and out of it with those horrific seat side bolsters. Just horrible and a poor design imho.
2:43 ‘BMW used to be about elegance’ Exactly this. There was a time when M Cars were understated, but still purposeful. Maybe this current design language is for the type of people who want everyone to know they aren’t driving a run of the mill Bimmer, but the G80 M3 and G87 M2 are just atrocious pieces of design
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Wonderful to have Harry call a spade a spade concerning the looks. BMW Stylists, you would do well to take note of what exactly Harry has in his garage.
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THIS^^^ It's extraordinarily frustrating that manufacturers have gone down this road, so transparently only because it's cheap. Any objective assessment of usability and indeed safety could not fail to find buttons/rotary knobs preferable, yet here we are driving along, distractedly fannying about with hideously over-complex, impossible to use without looking directly at them controls for things as basic as heating. I'm hanging on to my mercifully still-reliable and enjoyable 7 year old, 100,000 mile Golf estate largely because I cannot abide the Mk 8 Golf dash - the Mk 7 dash is both aesthetically and practically so vastly superior. But it's not only the Golf - it's seemingly everything these days. Clearly I'm just going to have to run my trusty non-touchscreen steed forever, possibly like Trigger runs his broom..!
It is vastly cheaper for the manufacturer to eliminate the buttons and just access the systems via the stupid ugly fingerprint coated screen. Not sure the manufacturers are passing on the cost savings to their customers though….
@@stever2168 Whenever someone raises the topic of giant screens and buttonless interiors, I always pin the blame on Tesla (and by extension Elon Musk) for making this trend take off like his SpaceX rockets. Now every manufacturer is copying this design because they don't want to lose even more market share to Tesla. I'm just grateful Musk hasn't decided to remove the steering wheel and pedals yet, but given the Cybertruck already features a steer-by-wire system i.e. no rack and pinion, we're already halfway there. EDIT: Forgot to mention the recent Tesla Model 3 moves the gear selector into the touch screen.
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That is normaly the case, yes. But I had the opportunity to drive the latest B3 on the track last year and was surprised how tight it actually was. Try it I say. @@MadDaCube
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Thanks for your honesty and integrity in speaking your mind (and it seems most of us agree with you). It's what makes yours the best motoring channel on TH-cam
Definitely agree Harry..I had a 4 series and the front end was just a massive bug catcher and a right pain to keep clean..having said that I wouldn’t kick this CS out of the garage..
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I dropped my car off for a service last Wednesday. In the car park was a lowered E30 323i. Despite being the best part of 40 years old it still looked good. Purposeful, lean. I doubt we'll be saying the same thing about this in another 40 years.
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@@Abril-km7vo How about a big, fat, juicy no. Spam is spam wherever it is and whatever it is about. Spam is made from beautiful, glorious Pork, by the way. Mmmmm, Pork.
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That's not a bad idea, Charlie drop this man a knighthood for services to the motor industry and me the general public. Bet the farmers would agree too.
I wasn’t a fan of the E60 M5 or E63 M6 when they first launched, but I think those designs aged quite nicely (especially the M6). But these current BMW’s? Not so sure. Would happily buy a used F80 M3 and pocket the 75k I’d save
Perhaps I'm prejudiced as a former owner, but I think the E60 aged fantastically and ended up a very handsome car. I thought the F10 was a bit inoffensive in comparison so ended up going straight from E60 to G30.
Could you give us a comparison between the f80 and the G80 in term of driving experience? I heard most of the journalists prefer the G8x but they may be biased
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Nobody...and I mean N O B O D Y...politely rips a car for its short comings and/or looks like Harry and I love it because in today's automotive world honesty is so REFRESHING🙏
Go watch the car wow vids where he does it Infront of the manufacturers press staff, particularly Mercedes, he points out all the crap bits and makes them squirm.
Most “journalists” have been loaned these cars in order to promote a positive buzz for the latest model or whatever. They say whatever they want to impress the brand and therefore maintain a relationship and guarantee future models to “review”. Harry’s approach might sever the relationship but at least he’s honest, unlike most!
I couldn't agree more Harry with your description of the front look of the car. It's a complete 'Dog's arse!' The extra carbon ends on the front splitter will last until you try to park anywhere near a kerb. I'm sure BMW will have a nice stock of these at some exhorbitant price. Keep up the great videos.
Great review as always Harry. I've had BMWs for 20 years and loved them but I really do think they have lost their way on design and styling. I wouldn't even remotely consider buying this. Like you I'd go for a Touring, but for me it would be the Alpina B3 all day long.
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Many seem to forget how many coolers this car has, its due to the coolers that the front needs so much air which requires the large grills. Personally I love the front of the car as its very functional and if you understand that you learn to appreciate it. Having always been an AMG guy I fell in love with these new BMW's so much that I ended up purchasing both a M3CS and a M4CSL to add to my collection.
E46 is still the best looking 3 series, ever. The best part for me was looking at my 328I rear door to the rear wheel, so elegant, and the zero overhang at the front.
So glad that Harry didn't pull any punches on the- tasteless and classless- looks and design. What happened to BMW? The same company that once produced cars like the 2002, the 507, the E30, even the 1M . . . is now churning out this rubbish.
For me, THE biggest standard out feature of this car is the ability to lower the drivers seat to almost emulate a race car, similar to btcc. From a driving point of view, that is sensational… kudos to the engineers that designed that feature.
Couldn't agree more on the looks. It's refreshing to hear someone with a bit of clout say it like it is rather than the usual looks are subjective non-committal response.
I count myself as a bit of a BMW fanboy, I’ve owned 5 of them so far. I’m with you Harry I hate the looks. I’ve been trying to get used to the grill… 🤢 but alas I can’t. The M5 CS is clearly more of a looker and the Green and bronze on that is way nicer than horrid white which is just plain unclassy. But driving it looks fun. Thanks for a great review. Looking forward to the M5 Touring.
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Such an elegant design- I have a Techno Violet one- Harry's favourite colour! Aesthetics are gowping, especially in white. This car has no spirutual connection to the E36 M3, except the 6 cylinder mill, which is great to see back under the bonnet. The arms race with Merc/Audi/etc has driven up weight, so that we have 1¾ tonne 'sports' cars which admittedly disguise their heft well most of the time. Yet those 16 bags of cement can't stay hidden all of the time...
Seeing the latest vehicle styling that is coming out of China recently, it does seem that BMW is targeting that market’s tastes, and hoping that we all just get on board.
How are we supposed to be reading the dB charts? I noticed the number shown in the center is usually 1 or 2 dB lower than what you indicate as the measured sound level. Just want to understand more
2014 WRX: Heavily criticized; they said it looks like a Corolla- sold just fine 2021 WRX: People hate the over fenders- People still buying them New Supra: Doesn’t look like the FT whatever concept; it’s a tiny BMW- Selling just fine FK8: Looks like an eight year old’s lego ninja car- sold just fine New M2: Everyone: Rectangular openings are ugly. Also everyone: it’s still sexy, I’d still buy one. People generally criticize what looks different...
My favorite recent CS is still the 2020 M2 CS. The looks are aggressive yet clean. I really wish BMW would send more Alpina models to the states. An Alpina B3/Alpina B3 wagon.
I was so close to buying an F82 M4 CS and this video has made me revisit those photos. My god, looking back. Now that is one stunning looking car….particularly in San Marino Blue. Ummm, the one that got away. This new M3 CS is a real dogs dinner, for all the reasons Harry points out. I’d take his advice too and get a touring or regular M3.
I've got an F82 M4 CS in San Marino Blue. It's an absolute gorgeous animal of a car. Bought it after cancelling a G82 M4 xdrive. 460bhp 600nm of torque and 1550 kgs. Proper car. You won't be disappointed and you'll save 20-30k on a G80/82
@@garethjackson6139 congrats. It’s a lovely looking thing. I went for a Jag F Type R instead of the CS. A very different car and I knew the Jag was going to be a lot less special. My example cost a good chunk less than the CS and ultimately that the was the deciding factor. I do wonder “what if” though. All the best with it :-)
A little tired of hearing so much about its looks, although I bought this one in signal green. So a little biased maybe. But I love the car, it is literally two cars in one. A performance track and touring family hauler. 15000km and counting since June 😂
And the critique against BMW styling should likely lead back to the lead designer at the company..? Agree with the critique, where has the brand gone? Bottom, so that any change will be an improvement?
Between the face only a mother could love and the wheels that inspired by aunty Doreen's net curtains it's a pass from me. I have had a few BMW's - 3's and 5's - over the years but I've stopped bothering with them now. The design language is just too challenging for me.
Another great video - as always!....Topic suggestion - any chance you'd consider a video on autonomous driving vehicles...Personally, the whole autonomous driving thing makes me want to throw up, but there are people out there who think a fully autonomous and self-driven vehicle is just around the corner...hogwash, I say...I think a straight up review, update and prospects for this technology would be well received and properly done on this channel...
that front end looks like an Essex boy racers dream. for over 100 K thats a really chav look. I was expecting some neon lights underneath and a sticker on the back with 'Don't laugh, your daughter was in here earler on'
Went off bimmers years ago when they started going over to a V8. BMW always have made a nice 6 cylinder unit glad to see they are going back to it more.
Great review as always. After Harry’s typically sympathetic review of the M2 styling it’s good to see he has come off the fence. BMW styling is unspeakably hideous.
Totally agree with you, Harry, looks hideous and fussy (looks like front end was designed by a drunken commtitee)...ugly wheels & so many examples of fashion-over-function. 🤢 Dash & seats simply horrible to the eye...and HOW MUCH? If you spending that much you be better investing in Porsche which will not haemorrhage value like this dogs-breakfast of a design BMW will do. Brilliant vid and analysis as usual harry, 10/10! 👍🏻
I enjoy these vids, but does it always have to (seemingly) be a BMW, Porsche, JLR or Ferrari? Do you veto contemporary Mercs? Would love to know what you think of the AMG GT (not the 2024 thing) or the E63 estate 🙂
Can you eke out better fuel economy by putting it in 2wd and all the other settings in comfort? Sure it's a drift mode by design, but I feel like that would be a use for it off the track.
Those who can afford this car can also afford the luxuries of style and design, two things utterly lacking in this car. I’ll be interested to hear of the sales figures.
The Chinese market represents circa 30% of BMWs sales. I bet it will sell like hot cakes within the Chinese market - as they prefer cars with a goofy, cartoonish front end - i.e. the goofier the better.
All the buttons and adjustments come easily to hand on my modest 2018 hatchback. I access them automatically without looking. Can the flat screen do the same ?
Thank you for being honest in regards to the car design. In my opinion, most TH-camrs avoid this elephant in the room. I don't know what happened to the BMW design department. My eyes are bleeding when I look at their new cars. New M2, this M3, XM and so on.
I'm glad Harry is honest about the chipmunk's looks. Even after the design grows on you, the chipmunk face still looks odd and one wonders why they couldn't just do a simple throwback to the e39 and e38.
Matters that stand out: 1. Blind Designers at work is a disaster at best. 2. The Ghost of Chris Bangle. 3. 1700 kilos with carbon- "Lipstick on a Pig". 4. When are we going to see a BMW video as the Ultimate Driving Machine.
It looks pants but then every BMW these days looks shit. You can buy an LC500 for this money which is I think a much nicer car in my opinion, nicer outside and inside and you get a much nicer engine. For less money as well. They also really didn't do a very good job of hiding the exhaust back box which you can see very easily from the back.
Finally a accurate representation & description of the new g80 m3 & this cs in particular. Overrated overpriced & down right a ugly mess with lines all over the place 🤮 What were bmw thinking especially as they have previously made many beautiful m cars in the past like for example the e46 m3 csl .
This segment is the middle of a huge transformation & BMW is doing their best by offering a traditional experience in a new package. I do suspect this car will fare better in a couple of years, when everything else starts to really balloon in weight by adopting batteries & motors, or maybe even ditching engines altogether.
Didn’t finish the video, just too boring. The world doesn’t need any more 500+ horse and uber expensive cars. I sure they’re great, but then they’re not special.
As BMW continues align with the 'German rainbow' colour palette - consisting of white, silver, grey or black - which includes about 150 shades of grey - I expect that a charcoal grey would be available.
I hate the beaver front, but I gotta say, the looks on these cars is definitely color dependent.. I saw a dark blue one today with a suspension drop and these wheels in dark gray, the car looked amazing. Lighter colors make it look terrible.
The M3 CS has definitely overshadowed the M4 CSL, and is far more practical too. I know many (including Harry, clearly) don't care for its styling, but I like it. It's purposeful and sporty, as it should be for a performance car. But that's just me.
Honestly out of everything, my biggest annoyance is getting rid of all the buttons (climate control, heated seats etc). They are not “old-fashioned”, cars look better with them - especially in BMWs with the silver buttons that look really nice! Plus apart from the look, they are easier, better, and safer to use when driving, compared to having to use the screen.
agreed, the screens should just be a place to put all the extra stuff that you can mess with when you're not driving.
Couldn't agree more. It's just trend for the sake of it (blame Tesla for starting it - out of saving money due to a simpler manufacturing process - but blame the other marques for following blindly even more so)
It's just because the touch screen is much cheaper.
Well, at least the START button is still there unlike on all new FERRARIs!!!
Jesus. All the complaining about lack of buttons. I had an ‘07 MDX, and a ‘14 Cayenne. Most buttons EVER. I’ve also owned a Model 3 and have a G80 coming. This is enough buttons. Everything is auto these days anyway!
Thanks Harry for having the courage to critique the styling honestly unlike the majority of reviewers. It’s awful
I personally love the styling
Well said . It’s a ugly mess !!
Very much so.
It seems to be a trend now that all, and I mean ALL, automotive reviewers give this gen a pass, excusing the design as quirky.
What this means is "thank you for agreeing with me"
thank you for saying it how it is, seems all other journalist/reviewers are being too kind as to not ruin any kind of brand relationship they have with bmw
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I haven’t seen any other reviewer that actually likes the styling 😂 so idk what you’re on about.
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@@fifteen8850Chris Harris and Sam (from Seen Through Glass) have both said it has grown on them.
The only way it looks better is if there are even worse designs next to it. BMW XM and iX are both strong contenders.
The Alfa and the Project 8 both look fantastic, so it really suffers in that company.
I truly hate it and everything that BMW has become, but since I would be unlikely to buy one anyway, they clearly shouldn’t care what I think.
Oh man, that E46 CSL is a palate cleanser! So clean and compact, just the right blend of performance styling.
yeh that cut was so jarring it was like wow!
E46 iM3s just perfect, I think
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No other youtube reviewer would dare to call the design embarrassing, thank you, finally someone had the balls to say it
Yeah, that is the thing that annoys me the most in this review since I think that the design is great, one of the best looking M3's ever together with E46 and F80! The car has serious presence and masculinity, especially in person, and that is my opinion as a designer. Since the taste is subjective category, he shouldn't spend so much time convincing us that the car is ugly, since it isn't to many other people out there. He just becomes annoying and unbearable to watch!
@@Semendrija123 so ... don't watch?
talking of balls. If yours hang low and you're wearing loose trousers you will lose them getting in and out of it with those horrific seat side bolsters. Just horrible and a poor design imho.
God forbid someone actually likes the design. 🤦🏿♂️
2:43 ‘BMW used to be about elegance’
Exactly this. There was a time when M Cars were understated, but still purposeful. Maybe this current design language is for the type of people who want everyone to know they aren’t driving a run of the mill Bimmer, but the G80 M3 and G87 M2 are just atrocious pieces of design
most bmw owners are on leases, they can't actually afford them
Some say the CS badge stand for C..T Special.
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M only stands for Marketing nowadays.
Wonderful to have Harry call a spade a spade concerning the looks. BMW Stylists, you would do well to take note of what exactly Harry has in his garage.
Can you imagine the BMW media person watching this,? Slap forehead!!!!
Ah this is the beauty of opinion. His opinion on looks is different to mine. I quite like the M3 CS look.
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The more i see of modern cars the less i want one. Buttons are not old fashioned, they are better.
THIS^^^
It's extraordinarily frustrating that manufacturers have gone down this road, so transparently only because it's cheap. Any objective assessment of usability and indeed safety could not fail to find buttons/rotary knobs preferable, yet here we are driving along, distractedly fannying about with hideously over-complex, impossible to use without looking directly at them controls for things as basic as heating.
I'm hanging on to my mercifully still-reliable and enjoyable 7 year old, 100,000 mile Golf estate largely because I cannot abide the Mk 8 Golf dash - the Mk 7 dash is both aesthetically and practically so vastly superior. But it's not only the Golf - it's seemingly everything these days. Clearly I'm just going to have to run my trusty non-touchscreen steed forever, possibly like Trigger runs his broom..!
It is vastly cheaper for the manufacturer to eliminate the buttons and just access the systems via the stupid ugly fingerprint coated screen. Not sure the manufacturers are passing on the cost savings to their customers though….
Best era for the modern car was somewhere between 2006 and 2015. Still comforatble, good looks, quality etc. Not too much emissions nonsense
@@stever2168 Whenever someone raises the topic of giant screens and buttonless interiors, I always pin the blame on Tesla (and by extension Elon Musk) for making this trend take off like his SpaceX rockets. Now every manufacturer is copying this design because they don't want to lose even more market share to Tesla. I'm just grateful Musk hasn't decided to remove the steering wheel and pedals yet, but given the Cybertruck already features a steer-by-wire system i.e. no rack and pinion, we're already halfway there.
EDIT: Forgot to mention the recent Tesla Model 3 moves the gear selector into the touch screen.
Go for the Alpina B3, better looking, able to option some beautiful interiors and comes with a nice boost in torque to 730Nm.
Alpinas are beautiful cars but nowhere near as sharp or engaging as M cars let alone CS versions. Very different audience actually.
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That is normaly the case, yes. But I had the opportunity to drive the latest B3 on the track last year and was surprised how tight it actually was. Try it I say. @@MadDaCube
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When you see the image of the Beemer, Alfa and Jag side by side......... my god is that Giulia absolutely bloody gorgeous!
Agreed. It's fabulous.
I just love your honesty, Harry. So refreshing to the press tripe you see lately with other TH-cam channels
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Thanks for your honesty and integrity in speaking your mind (and it seems most of us agree with you). It's what makes yours the best motoring channel on TH-cam
2:16 & 2:36 😅 Spot on commentary here, Harry. Come back to us, BMW!
What a great channel! Thanks for classin up youtube all these years Harry!
How can something so expensive look so messy and cheap?
I say that about my wife all the time
The colour truly makes it worse in white
The answer is a three-letter word. BMW
@@sashadog2323 You will soon know how it feels to be alone.
Agreed.
Definitely agree Harry..I had a 4 series and the front end was just a massive bug catcher and a right pain to keep clean..having said that I wouldn’t kick this CS out of the garage..
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I dropped my car off for a service last Wednesday. In the car park was a lowered E30 323i.
Despite being the best part of 40 years old it still looked good. Purposeful, lean.
I doubt we'll be saying the same thing about this in another 40 years.
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@@Abril-km7vo Allllahhhhhhhhhhhh
@@Abril-km7vo How about a big, fat, juicy no. Spam is spam wherever it is and whatever it is about. Spam is made from beautiful, glorious Pork, by the way. Mmmmm, Pork.
Harry is the best car reviewer I have ever watched by far and he would make a great friend best wishes Kinnon.
Harry not holding back on his views on the looks, love it!👍🤣
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100% agree with your opinion regarding how this M3 CS looks, particularly from the front!
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"Special for the wrong reasons in the looks department" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a wonderful way to put it, Harry !
You know your getting old when you remember how good the front end of a 635 was compered to this.
Yes and the side and the back and the top...sigh
If you get confused between "your" and "you're" you aren't saying those words very well
@DefenderPuma You missed two punctuation marks there, mate.
@@DirectInput cool stuff
Boss level illiteracy, mate! 😂🤣😂 "compered" is pure genius! 😁
No beating around the bush with harry😊brutal review 🙏
Eloquence and honesty.........perfectly put Sir.
That's not a bad idea, Charlie drop this man a knighthood for services to the motor industry and me the general public. Bet the farmers would agree too.
I wasn’t a fan of the E60 M5 or E63 M6 when they first launched, but I think those designs aged quite nicely (especially the M6). But these current BMW’s? Not so sure. Would happily buy a used F80 M3 and pocket the 75k I’d save
Perhaps I'm prejudiced as a former owner, but I think the E60 aged fantastically and ended up a very handsome car. I thought the F10 was a bit inoffensive in comparison so ended up going straight from E60 to G30.
Could you give us a comparison between the f80 and the G80 in term of driving experience? I heard most of the journalists prefer the G8x but they may be biased
Funny enough everyone was saying about the E60 what everyone has been saying about the G80 styling wise…
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@@kvgbui565I don’t think they’re biased at all. Why would they be?
That was an honest review. Thanks Harry. Cheers 🇨🇦
Yes. I gave up on BMWs since the E60 generation left as I don’t like the newer designs as hard as I tried to like them.
18:29 the exact thought process that went through my mind when I bought an M3 comp with the regular seats! Great review thank you for sharing
Nobody...and I mean N O B O D Y...politely rips a car for its short comings and/or looks like Harry and I love it because in today's automotive world honesty is so REFRESHING🙏
Go watch the car wow vids where he does it Infront of the manufacturers press staff, particularly Mercedes, he points out all the crap bits and makes them squirm.
Most “journalists” have been loaned these cars in order to promote a positive buzz for the latest model or whatever. They say whatever they want to impress the brand and therefore maintain a relationship and guarantee future models to “review”. Harry’s approach might sever the relationship but at least he’s honest, unlike most!
Had a thought this morning that the M3 CS should be the next review…and here it is!!
I couldn't agree more Harry with your description of the front look of the car. It's a complete 'Dog's arse!' The extra carbon ends on the front splitter will last until you try to park anywhere near a kerb. I'm sure BMW will have a nice stock of these at some exhorbitant price. Keep up the great videos.
The M3 Touring is the ultimate M3 as you mentioned Harry
Great review as always Harry.
I've had BMWs for 20 years and loved them but I really do think they have lost their way on design and styling.
I wouldn't even remotely consider buying this. Like you I'd go for a Touring, but for me it would be the Alpina B3 all day long.
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@@Abril-km7vomy buddies and I have sent a few people to meet him.
15:15 honestly, it looks great in my opinion. Every m3 owner wants his to look like it.
Another great video! I love the nuance Harry's able to bring to his reviews - makes other reviewers seem basic.
Many seem to forget how many coolers this car has, its due to the coolers that the front needs so much air which requires the large grills. Personally I love the front of the car as its very functional and if you understand that you learn to appreciate it. Having always been an AMG guy I fell in love with these new BMW's so much that I ended up purchasing both a M3CS and a M4CSL to add to my collection.
You never disappoint Harry, another perfect presentation, many thanks
Only its mother..................
Great when you put these test cars on the scales Harry, respect, an honest review as always.............
E46 is still the best looking 3 series, ever. The best part for me was looking at my 328I rear door to the rear wheel, so elegant, and the zero overhang at the front.
Same observation about the seats in my M5 CS, I'm 6'4" and can barely see above the steering wheel. Looks hilarious from the outside.
So glad that Harry didn't pull any punches on the- tasteless and classless- looks and design. What happened to BMW? The same company that once produced cars like the 2002, the 507, the E30, even the 1M . . . is now churning out this rubbish.
For me, THE biggest standard out feature of this car is the ability to lower the drivers seat to almost emulate a race car, similar to btcc. From a driving point of view, that is sensational…
kudos to the engineers that designed that feature.
Couldn't agree more on the looks. It's refreshing to hear someone with a bit of clout say it like it is rather than the usual looks are subjective non-committal response.
Excellent video Harry , really enjoyed that cheers
I count myself as a bit of a BMW fanboy, I’ve owned 5 of them so far. I’m with you Harry I hate the looks. I’ve been trying to get used to the grill… 🤢 but alas I can’t. The M5 CS is clearly more of a looker and the Green and bronze on that is way nicer than horrid white which is just plain unclassy. But driving it looks fun. Thanks for a great review. Looking forward to the M5 Touring.
Would like to have seen one in another colour spec. Bit of a sleeper look to me. Great honest review as always.
It's so ugly, I watched this review with my eyes closed. Great stuff as always Harry. Cheers 👍🏽
The 2022 BMW M5 CS weighs 1825kg with a V8 engine. The 2023 BMW M3 CS weights 1840kg with an inline 6!!!
The more I look at it the more I admire the E36's design.
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Such an elegant design- I have a Techno Violet one- Harry's favourite colour!
Aesthetics are gowping, especially in white. This car has no spirutual connection to the E36 M3, except the 6 cylinder mill, which is great to see back under the bonnet. The arms race with Merc/Audi/etc has driven up weight, so that we have 1¾ tonne 'sports' cars which admittedly disguise their heft well most of the time. Yet those 16 bags of cement can't stay hidden all of the time...
Only in this day and age is it so refreshing to have something which should be a given, honesty
Seeing the latest vehicle styling that is coming out of China recently, it does seem that BMW is targeting that market’s tastes, and hoping that we all just get on board.
The alloy wheel cleaning is a good point 👍
Always a great presentation but I have no desire to own the BMW M3 CS
How are we supposed to be reading the dB charts? I noticed the number shown in the center is usually 1 or 2 dB lower than what you indicate as the measured sound level. Just want to understand more
BMW goes to Honda for Type R style aero :) LOVE IT 😍
The wheels are too fiddly.. if your going to track this that’ll be awful for brake dust
Great video ‘H’ 👍🏻😀
2014 WRX: Heavily criticized; they said it looks like a Corolla- sold just fine
2021 WRX: People hate the over fenders- People still buying them
New Supra: Doesn’t look like the FT whatever concept; it’s a tiny BMW- Selling just fine
FK8: Looks like an eight year old’s lego ninja car- sold just fine
New M2: Everyone: Rectangular openings are ugly. Also everyone: it’s still sexy, I’d still buy one.
People generally criticize what looks different...
Fantastic video sir.
If I had the money, I think I’d go for the M3 Touring or wait for the new M5 Touring to come out. Actually if I had the money, I’d buy a 911 Turbo S
Great review!
£30k premium and ceramics are still an optional extra...?! Ouch.
Definitely agree - buy the Touring.
Enjoyed watching your excellent review, spot on, a right mess.
That iPad dash kills the thing. Not interested.
Excellent straight to the point as usual. M5 cs Or this M3 cs?
M5 looks much more elegant and understated. A real M car.
The M3 is definitely colour sensitive. I also think white is the worst colour for it from the front, It really accentuates the grill size in a bad way
My favorite recent CS is still the 2020 M2 CS. The looks are aggressive yet clean. I really wish BMW would send more Alpina models to the states. An Alpina B3/Alpina B3 wagon.
Harry tells it like it is! 🤣 finally somebody just being honest about the looks, no beating around the bush
Totally agree with you on the looks Harry, the dam thing looks ghastly!!!
Open my garage and "saw that gaping at me." LOL!
I was so close to buying an F82 M4 CS and this video has made me revisit those photos. My god, looking back. Now that is one stunning looking car….particularly in San Marino Blue. Ummm, the one that got away. This new M3 CS is a real dogs dinner, for all the reasons Harry points out. I’d take his advice too and get a touring or regular M3.
A touring & regular m3 is also a dogs dinner . Ugly mess the entire g80 model 🤮🤮
I've got an F82 M4 CS in San Marino Blue. It's an absolute gorgeous animal of a car. Bought it after cancelling a G82 M4 xdrive. 460bhp 600nm of torque and 1550 kgs. Proper car. You won't be disappointed and you'll save 20-30k on a G80/82
@@davida7713 agree. In general they all have challenging looks.
@@garethjackson6139 congrats. It’s a lovely looking thing. I went for a Jag F Type R instead of the CS. A very different car and I knew the Jag was going to be a lot less special. My example cost a good chunk less than the CS and ultimately that the was the deciding factor. I do wonder “what if” though. All the best with it :-)
@@matt1081 you too sir. I do love the F Types - great looking cars.
Thanks for the video Harry - couldn’t agree more re the badging - what were they thinking! 😩
A little tired of hearing so much about its looks, although I bought this one in signal green. So a little biased maybe. But I love the car, it is literally two cars in one. A performance track and touring family hauler. 15000km and counting since June 😂
And the critique against BMW styling should likely lead back to the lead designer at the company..? Agree with the critique, where has the brand gone? Bottom, so that any change will be an improvement?
Between the face only a mother could love and the wheels that inspired by aunty Doreen's net curtains it's a pass from me. I have had a few BMW's - 3's and 5's - over the years but I've stopped bothering with them now. The design language is just too challenging for me.
Another great video - as always!....Topic suggestion - any chance you'd consider a video on autonomous driving vehicles...Personally, the whole autonomous driving thing makes me want to throw up, but there are people out there who think a fully autonomous and self-driven vehicle is just around the corner...hogwash, I say...I think a straight up review, update and prospects for this technology would be well received and properly done on this channel...
that front end looks like an Essex boy racers dream.
for over 100 K thats a really chav look. I was expecting some neon lights underneath and a sticker on the back with 'Don't laugh, your daughter was in here earler on'
Went off bimmers years ago when they started going over to a V8. BMW always have made a nice 6 cylinder unit glad to see they are going back to it more.
Great review as always. After Harry’s typically sympathetic review of the M2 styling it’s good to see he has come off the fence. BMW styling is unspeakably hideous.
A face only a mother could love !
Totally agree with you, Harry, looks hideous and fussy (looks like front end was designed by a drunken commtitee)...ugly wheels & so many examples of fashion-over-function. 🤢 Dash & seats simply horrible to the eye...and HOW MUCH? If you spending that much you be better investing in Porsche which will not haemorrhage value like this dogs-breakfast of a design BMW will do. Brilliant vid and analysis as usual harry, 10/10! 👍🏻
I enjoy these vids, but does it always have to (seemingly) be a BMW, Porsche, JLR or Ferrari?
Do you veto contemporary Mercs?
Would love to know what you think of the AMG GT (not the 2024 thing) or the E63 estate 🙂
Agree, the cars are very repetitive (yet another over-priced toy) and I'm losing interest.
CS = Chav Special
Looks like my local dealers tastelessly modified 330i
Can you eke out better fuel economy by putting it in 2wd and all the other settings in comfort? Sure it's a drift mode by design, but I feel like that would be a use for it off the track.
Those who can afford this car can also afford the luxuries of style and design, two things utterly lacking in this car. I’ll be interested to hear of the sales figures.
I suspect it’ll sell out for two reasons 1. There are lots of people with more money than taste and 2. Resellers making a quick buck
The Chinese market represents circa 30% of BMWs sales. I bet it will sell like hot cakes within the Chinese market - as they prefer cars with a goofy, cartoonish front end - i.e. the goofier the better.
All the buttons and adjustments come easily to hand on my modest 2018 hatchback. I access them automatically without looking. Can the flat screen do the same ?
Thank you for being honest in regards to the car design. In my opinion, most TH-camrs avoid this elephant in the room. I don't know what happened to the BMW design department. My eyes are bleeding when I look at their new cars. New M2, this M3, XM and so on.
I'm glad Harry is honest about the chipmunk's looks. Even after the design grows on you, the chipmunk face still looks odd and one wonders why they couldn't just do a simple throwback to the e39 and e38.
still driving my E39 M5 bought in 2001. Waiting for something prettier. and waiting
Matters that stand out:
1. Blind Designers at work is a disaster at best.
2. The Ghost of Chris Bangle.
3. 1700 kilos with carbon- "Lipstick on a Pig".
4. When are we going to see a BMW video as the Ultimate Driving Machine.
It looks pants but then every BMW these days looks shit. You can buy an LC500 for this money which is I think a much nicer car in my opinion, nicer outside and inside and you get a much nicer engine. For less money as well. They also really didn't do a very good job of hiding the exhaust back box which you can see very easily from the back.
Wonderfully honest review - I think this car looks worse in white, but it ain't a looker!
White paintwork certainly didn't help but, sadly, the design is fundamentally flawed
£123k and it looks like that 😮
Finally a accurate representation & description of the new g80 m3 & this cs in particular. Overrated overpriced & down right a ugly mess with lines all over the place 🤮 What were bmw thinking especially as they have previously made many beautiful m cars in the past like for example the e46 m3 csl .
This segment is the middle of a huge transformation & BMW is doing their best by offering a traditional experience in a new package. I do suspect this car will fare better in a couple of years, when everything else starts to really balloon in weight by adopting batteries & motors, or maybe even ditching engines altogether.
Didn’t finish the video, just too boring. The world doesn’t need any more 500+ horse and uber expensive cars. I sure they’re great, but then they’re not special.
Top-hole Harry: honest and thorough. I totally agree about the looks. Might a charcoal grey be available to take the curse off the black inserts?
As BMW continues align with the 'German rainbow' colour palette - consisting of white, silver, grey or black - which includes about 150 shades of grey - I expect that a charcoal grey would be available.
The current BMW grills are absolutely incredibly horribly awful
I love the styling and agree with Harry with regard to the driving dynamics (based on driving a M3 competition).
I hate the beaver front, but I gotta say, the looks on these cars is definitely color dependent.. I saw a dark blue one today with a suspension drop and these wheels in dark gray, the car looked amazing. Lighter colors make it look terrible.
12:05 LOL! Surprised it didn't leave flames behind Marty Mcfly style 🔥🔥🤣🤣
Honestly impressive how BMW made it uglier
The M3 CS has definitely overshadowed the M4 CSL, and is far more practical too. I know many (including Harry, clearly) don't care for its styling, but I like it. It's purposeful and sporty, as it should be for a performance car. But that's just me.