Hi Mr Ed. Yes, I had exactly the same problem. I overheated the wax. When you do this the wax structure breaks down and it absorbs water. The wax becomes permanently damaged. Solar wax melters have the same problem, so long as you don't heat the wax from a solar wax melter in water, you'll be OK, but if you later melt it in water, it just absorbs all the water and it goes the same way as you've seen. Great videos, My bother and I watch your videos in the UK all the time. We now store our frames and sort them exactly as you do and I never get problems with the wax moth any more.
Looking at your previous wax melting videos and this one, I can see you normally have the water simmering, but this time it was boiling. Even so the water would not have gone above 100 degree C. However, this time you had less water in the kettle, and it looks like your wax was resting on the bottom of the kettle, so some of the wax would definitely have been heated to much higher than boiling point, so damaging the wax. Well, that's my theory anyway.
Thank you very much for your kind words and for taking the time to watch the video, it is all greatly appreciated. Until the next one, God's peace. Mr. Ed
I found you about a month ago. Your videos are interesting and informative. I’m in my 70s and will never have a hive but I try to plant native plants 🪴. Thank you. Very interesting. So glad you found the problem.
What a delight to hear you discovered my channel and found the content to your liking even if you never intend to keep bees. In truth, though my channel does focus on bees, for me, it's more about finding joy in the work we do regardless of how the work manifests itself. I sincerely hope you will continue watching, and in case you were not aware, I post a brand new video every Friday and I look forward to hearing from you again soon on a new video. Thank you so much for watching. God's peace Margo. Mr. Ed
Rendering the beeswax is always a fun project for me, and there is so much interest from my viewers I will make 2 or 3 videos a year on the subject. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace. Mr. Ed
Jeff. Mr. Phil here. Man, I love to watch this wax molding. i don't claim to be able to find problems that you can't find, but I am going to do some research and see if I can find anything about the possible reaction you had with those little bricks. I recently had a reaction in my product and I was able to do plenty of research and find the solution. People who don't work like you are working don't understand how these little problems slow down your progress and cause you to waist your limited productive time. Hey, again, I am so glad to have found your channel. I need to send you something to keep you warm over this cold winter. Mr. Phil - Sauce Boss
Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
Makes sense that it was the last batch also, the more wax the cooler the overall temperature. So maybe try decreasing the temperature as you go. Perhaps steam at the end also. On another note, my father was an amateur beekeeper for awhile, would make us kids turn the spinner to get the honey out of the frames, good times lol. Anyway, I'm enjoying your videos, Thanks for uploading!
Hey Mr. Ed, I wanted to leave a comment on your video letting you know that you are the most humble person on the internet and I could never find someone as nice as you are here on the platform. As for your beeswax problem, I believe it's the fact that you have your wax soaking in water too long. I think that if you were to pour these into molds such as you're doing I wouldn't use water or let it soak in water or it would crystallize as it is doing right now. Thank you for being such a kind and humble person and you bring so much joy to everyone here!!!
Hi Mr Ed Only just seen this wax rendering vid. I'm just a hobbyist keeper with half a dozen hives. But as my hives are a non standard size and I used cut and strain extraction, I do end up rendering lots of wax each year to use making my own foundation in a mould. The issue you have is not new to me. Like you there's a lot of debris in the initial render cocoons, dirt, honey etc. Mostly filtered and strained out with first render. Then further cleaned with subsequent meltings. Then I will use the same little muffin moulds as you to get small brackets to melt and use. The white scum under the individual brickette is water related, as you say. Also I've found temperature related, insofar as if the water is actively boiling the steam bubbles seem to get particles, maybe even gaseous was in them. On a slowish boil you can see them on the surface. Lower the heat to 80 C and they slowly sink! Your kettle looks like an all or nothing scenario. I've found I must ensure no water gets into the mould or what you experienced happens. But if the doner melt is still and settled and no water is picked up or gets in the mould the brick solidifies nice and cleanly. Bit long sorry. But hope it helps. Andy Bee.
Thanks so much for the detailed comment, the insight provided was very enlightening. I am happy to say I did find out what the culprit was on this rendering. As it turned out, the well pump at the abbey had failed the previous night, and when it was restarted, a lot of sediment had gotten into the system that was not filtered out, and as it turned out, this sediment was the cause of my problems. When I did the next batch a few days later, the issue was gone and the wax had no issues. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my over 600 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Andrew. Mr. Ed
Hi, this is my first time watching your videos, I love how you explain what you're doing, now I know nothing of bees; except that they sting, but the first thing that came to mind when I saw it is foam from boiling. Mixed with the sediment on the bottom, like I said, I know nothing of what you're doing, but figured I would comment anyway.
So happy to have you watching and commenting, thank you very much for doing so. I found out the problem with this batch, our water was contaminated. Our well water was shut off and when it started up again, all kinds of sediment was in the water and that was the culprit. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Lisan. Mr. Ed
Jeff isn't it just the wonderful Joy of the Lord to keep bees for Him. I Love to see His Joy over flowing your cup brother, Blessed Days. Do other people besides beekeepers sit and watch bees wax dry😉we are an odd bunch.🤣 Looks like air bubbles are forming from some type of reaction, but I'm not sciencey enough to know.😇Blessed Days Brother...
God's greatness surrounds us all if only we take the time to look for it...in good times and in troubling ones. I have to say, the time lapse was pretty cool to see. thank you for your blessings and for watching. God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
Great analogy, I did not think of that one. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Carol. Mr. Ed
I had wax get grainy like that. I was told two things may have happened. One, overheated wax. Two, it could be your water being used. Sometimes the water could have minerals in it that can cause it. Sounds to me that it is something in your water. Try a different water
Thank you so much for contributing your all your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Bob. Mr. Ed
Hi Jeff and hello from the UK As the water is heavier than the wax it will go to the bottom, I would try and melt the wax at a lower temprature and do not use boiling water just the wax on it's own. It will probably take a bit longer but I have a feeling it may work. Just a thought, if you had a kettle with a tap higher up so you could drain off wax mid way, that way you are leaving the water at the bottom of the kettle. Love the videos
Hey Paul! Thank you so much for your suggestions and for watching, it is greatly appreciated. I really enjoy making the videos on wax rendering and I have had a lot of successes doing it. However, this time it proved problematic, but I have worked out the issue, and it has not returned. Until the next one, God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
The weird stuff on the bottom. it's a semi-emulsion of wax and water, I got the same problem when I let the water boil. It's a pain but I had to melt the wax in a double boiler after the first render to remove the junk.
As I have a double boiler kettle to begin with, adding water is not necessary. However, since I have done the process 100 times before using water and never ran across this particular issue, it was a bit of surprise to me. that being said, next time, I won't be adding the water. Thank you so much for contributing your all your thoughts on the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
So glad to hear that, I thought it was pretty cool myself. In case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I hope you will check out those or maybe one of the other 500 that I have already posted. Looking forward to hearing from you again. Thanks for watching. God's peace. Mr. Ed
I work on bioprocessing for Biotech and my thoughts are its likely the protein and fatty acids making an emulsion (fat/wax-water-protein mix) and forming that foam layer and also precipitating once the temperature cools. The protein is always going to be there from the enzymes in the honey and pollen, and the pollen could also be contributing other natural lipids and protein-lipid combinations and causing this. I'd suggest if possible trying to not use water, but if you want to use water I'd always change out for fresh water between batches, but the water is likely making this emulsion problem worse.
I agree - something is making an emulsion. Louisiana has soft water, so it's not likely that it's calcium, but something is causing it. He said that it hasn't happened before, so I don't think it's pollen or other biomaterials. It's more likely that some sort of emulsifying agent present in the water. Maybe it got contaminated with a soap or detergent?
I have to agree, the water is the issue, and because I have used water while melting wax over 100 times, this time there was something in the water. The simplest solution, don't use water, and because the kettle is a double boiler, I can do this easily.Thank you so much for contributing all your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Matt. Mr. Ed
I think Matt's suggestion is the correct one, and I am going to use it. Thank you for your help and for taking the time to watch the video. Also, in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Debbie. Mr. Ed
Thank you so much for contributing your thoughts to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate both of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Joseph. Mr. Ed
Hi Jeff I have had this same exact problem and it is because the molten wax forms a saturated emulsion that as it solidifies the water comes out the only way i found to resolve the issue is to melt the wax without using water in a double boiler type melter, instead of using water in the jacket use canola oil
I have to agree, the water is the issue. By not having it in my kettle, and my kettle it is a double boiler, I would eliminate the issue. The puzzling question is I have done the same process a hundred times using water and never ran across this particular problem. I love the canola suggestion as well.Thank you so much for contributing your all your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Mike. Mr. Ed
@@JeffHorchoff What the residue looked like when you scraped makes me almost certain it is a water/wax emulsion. I have never boiled the water/wax when refining the beeswax, simply melted it and stirred thoroughly to remove trash - with multiple refinings. It is not necessary to let the wax solidify between refinings - you can drain off the water containing most of the garbage and refill the boiler with hot water so the wax remains liquid. If you drain off a bit of the wax when doing a water change, you even get rid of a lot of the slum that floats in between the water and the wax. I suspect it depends on how hard you boil the recovered beeswax and how many times that determines whether you may have a problem. I would wager that it was the molds filled from the bottom part of the pitcher that had the problem. Remember that if you heat the beeswax over about 80 degrees C, it will start to discolor.
Tweezers would have worked VERY well, but since I did not have any with me at the time, the old screen did the job well enough. Thanks so much for taking the time to watch the video and leave your comment, it is all greatly appreciated. Until the next one, God's peace Stefan. Mr. Ed
If it had been a bee question, I know you would have had the answer, but it would have been your dad who told you the answer and you would have just relaid what he said. God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
Hey everyone he has been doing this same process for years in the same way! This i believe is the first time he has had this problem! I like the idea someone came up with of finding a chemist to figure it out! You said it was Oct. Did the Abby get flooded when the huricane came through. That could have changed the water in the area. The distiled water idea someone said might be the solution.
No, the abbey was not flooded, thank you Jesus! It is mostly agreed, the water was the villain, and next time I will use distilled water or no water at all because the kettle is a double boiler. Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Samantha. Mr. Ed
Its definately contaminated but I cant say what it might be. You are doing what Id suggest. Totally empty the wax kettle and reprocess the large wax blocks. Then remelt and try again. Maybe wash the molds with soap and water and let them dry. Good luck!
Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace. Mr. Ed
It looks like a foam layer between the wax and the water. Anytime you get water in your mold it forms on the bottom of the wax. Try to find a pitcher like a pancake batter dispenser. That way when you get to the bottom of your melted wax you can drain off the water from the bottom of the dispenser. I will look for such an item and send you a picture.
@@e.a.deetssr.3253 I am a firm believer in smarter, not harder, and I think this would be much smarter, AND a time saver. We know he's got his hands full day in and out, so I'm all for anything that would make his job easier on him, you know? I am that one for unorthodox repurposing... Example, I am making dog food sausages, to make it easier to feed the dogs!! Will it work? It SHOULD. And in the end, it will be a time saver, because I can just give the dogs the appropriate number of sausages, instead of scooping and measuring.
Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
In the end you made lot of beautiful wax. Good luck in finding the problem source. I know the smell in the honey house was heavenly. Thanks for sharing. God bless.
Still got the job done, and had fun doing it....even though the mystery is not solved. Thanks so much for your blessings and for watching. God's peace brother and see you at Hive Live. Mr. Ed
The wax bricks really were beautiful and smelled sooooo good. Unfortunately, I do not have any extras to sell.Thank you so much for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate it tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Alana. Mr. Ed
Mr.Ed great video. Enjoy learning from you. My bees have been bringing in pollen, this last week of January, on the warmer days. I'm in SW Louisiana. Any idea where they are getting it from? They have been active for the last two weeks on the warm days. Thanks for the info.
With the warm weather back for a bit, plants will bloom and the bees will find them. Truthfully, I can not say with certainty what specific type the pollen is, but be grateful they are bringing it in. What part of LA are you in? Thanks for watching. God's peace Stephen. Mr. Ed
Great video. I love to see that you show everyone how nothing goes to waste from the bees :) just beautiful! Thanks for sharing and letting me tag along :)
Those silicon forms are great for making muffins and cupcakes. You don't need to grease that pans or use paper liners. They are best thing since sliced bread. God bless you and your wife and your work for the glory of God.
I do love the silicon forms, they are awesome. Thank you for your blessings for Mona and me, and for watching the video. Until the next time, God's peace JJ. Mr. Ed
It is a double boiler heated with natural gas. Since I don't need to put water in the tank, the next time I will just melt the wax that way I won't run into this problem again. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Jimmie. Mr. Ed
So glad to hear you enjoyed the video, thanks so much for taking the time to watch it and leave your comment. Check out the link below if you have the time, it's a video I made showing all of the cottage industries here at St. Joseph Abbey. Also, in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Sherry. Mr. Ed th-cam.com/video/NzByZB7f7vI/w-d-xo.html
Enjoyed the video Jeff. Id sure like to have smell-a-vision. I bet the honey house smelled wonderful. That sure is a mystery about that white stuff. It will be interesting to find out what it is. You take care and God bless.
It is definitly a reaction to the water, maybe not getting it to a rolling boil will help. Try lowering the temperture once the wax starts to melt so you don't get that hard rolling boil more like a simmer might reduce the effect. I have not made candles in a long time, but I remember never getting my wax to a rolling boil. Hope this helps
Thank you so much for contributing your thoughts to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate both of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Gene. Mr. Ed
Great video, Mr. Ed! Thoughts: The "junk" on the bottom is the denser wax mixed with microbits of trash and intermingled with water. If you used a bottom-pouring jug (kind of like a mini version of the boiler you have) then you could pour off any water first, then once the wax starts coming out you use the rest to pour into your forms. As for your molds, just get more of them to speed up production if you're pressed for time (I suspect you do lots of other things in the meantime while these dry), and when taking them out, flip over the whole mold and pop them out by pressing gently from the top which may help speed up extraction. Peace in Him!
That weird wax at the end looks very weird, but I wonder if might be "microparticles" from the very hard boiling of the wax. So as it cools in the kettle, it forms those weird structures. It would also trap a ton of wax, maybe. Not a beekeeper, but just thinking about the physical process of going from a liquid to a solid.
As I have a double boiler kettle to begin with, adding water is not necessary. However, since I have done the process 100 times before using water and never ran across this particular issue, it was a bit of surprise to me. that being said, next time, I won't be adding the water. Thank you so much for contributing your all your thoughts on the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
I am so happy you have discovered my bee wrangling channel, thank you for your kind words and for taking the time to watch the video, it is all greatly appreciated. I'm sorry to say but I do not sell any of the wax that our bees produce as our needs at the abbey use all they produce. Also, in case you did not know, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Jeneifer. Mr. Ed
I think there's water/steam in the wax towards the bottom. If you get the water off and do just pure wax I bet it won't do that. But you say it's like sand, is it gritty? That's strange. I need to get me some of that Monk soap to wash away my sins. lol I'm glad I watched this, I needed the inspiration to get out and work my wax cappings. Thanks for the video. P.S. Dirt Rooster beat you to Oklahoma.
He told me all about their visit with you guys, man was I jealous. I mean after all, I knew you before he did. Just to show you I'm not too jealous, I'm going to have to send you some Monk Soap to help with your sins. Now get out there and work on them cappings. God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
I like working with wax, the smell is just heavenly. What I am wondering is capping wax is white in color and the foundations wax is amber in color, why is the Ed ?? I am no expert in beeswax but can tell you that you do not have enough water in the pot when you melt the wax. Was told years ago that the more water than wax ratio will give way cleaner and purer beeswax. This was told to me by my father and his friend. This was thirty forty years ago. Also, excessive heat does not help the solution process. .Nice work Ed and peace to you Sir too. God bless you Sir. vf P.S. does you water have a lot of minerals dissolved ?? I can see the white froth has impurities in it fella. Also, when you melt wax in an vessel that is way higher then wider you get way better outcome. That is all I can think of Ed !!!!!!!!!!!
The reason for the difference in color is capping wax on honey is brand new wax that has not had a lot of traffic run over it. The more bees walk on the comb, the dirtier it gets. The issue with this wax rendering was due to a shut down in the water well. When it restarted, there were a lot of other elements in the water and it contaminated the batch. I had never had the problem before or since...thankfully. Thank you for your blessings and for watching. Until the next one, God's peace Vic. Mr. Ed
I too hope you join the ranks of being a beekeeper, the world needs as many beekeepers as it can get.Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace. Mr. Ed
Wow i love it when you are inthe honey house ir melting wax thank you for the slow mo of wax drying i loved it .. but it looked like the wax turned white ..but the cake at the end were not white .. i hope to go in a road trip to visit soon
I'd love to have you visit me here at the abbey. Just make sure before you come to get in touch with me to make sure I will bee here. My email is oscelata@gmail.com Thanks for watching. God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
You sure will be filling orders. I plan on placing my first one. I’m excited. I want so much lol. May try a little or each. I love your personality as always and what you do and appreciate you taking us on the journey with you. Okay now I need to watch the video 😊
Definitely looks like mineralization of some kind. I’ve seen something similar in my area where we have extremely hard water. I’d install a pre filter on your water inlet and maybe not going to a rolling boil. Love your vids and have a blessed day sir!
You mentioned that these blocks were from the end of your wax run. I have had a similar problem myself and I came to the conclusion that it was water/steam penetration in the wax. Do you think this could be your problem too? I don't really hae a solution for you but the way I resolved it was to leave some wax behind and use it in the next batch. I notice that you weighed the blocks at the start of the process so it might be better to weigh the total amount of wax as an output from the process rather than as an input weight (unless that information is important to you).
Thank you so much for your suggestions, they are really good ones. I'm certain that my problem on this batch was a water issue. We are on a well, and there was a problem with it and they shut the water down. When the started the well up again there were contaminates in the water, and I think that was the issue as I had never experienced the problem before.Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Paul. Mr. Ed
Mr Ed, I’ve seen that before but not to that extent. I wonder if it’s some broken down propolis in the wax? You need more molds! The amount of electricity that you’re using would be reduced with more molds. I know the silicone molds aren’t cheap. Thanks for the video! Remember, God is in control!
I'm ordering more molds for the next time, it would reduce the process in half if I had 6 more of them. For sure, God is in control. God's peace always Don. Mr. Ed
When I was cleaning my wax for a local beekeeper, I melted it down and poured through Reusable Cleaning Cloth Wipes Multi-Purpose Heavy Duty Towels Domestic Dish Cloths. It's like a wave pattern cloth that filters all the parts, I did this about 2 to 3 times and it came out perfect.
Thank you very much for sharing your method, you way of doing it is very impressive.Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Dean. Mr. Ed
Pollen in the wax might form that sand pattern. Just scrape the sandy stuff of and clean it again. That's kind of the last bit of unclean wax. I get it to sometime. To much honey and pollen and other particles in the wax. Melt it down again and clean it one more time, till it is gone. Good luck! And hope to see you in Severville in january!
It could have been, but I don't know for sure. In any case, the job got done, and it all worked out in the end. Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Make sure you tell me hello in Severville, I'm looking forward to being there. Until the next one, God's peace Yasmin. Mr. Ed
Wax is a mixture of poly chain waxy substances if you keep it melted, it will get separated by gravity... I think those chains have different melting points and they "crystallize" differently
The densities are too close together - convection currents in the melted beeswax would keep them from separating. Yes, they have different melting points, but it would take very precise temperature control to take advantage of the characteristic.
I get those small hard particles also--- remember I asked you about them. I even see those particles on the outside of the hive boxes sitting on the ledges. I have come to think they are insect eggs of some sort. So to clean those out I have started passing the wax through a fine cloth mesh during a second melting.
It could have been, but I don't know for sure. In any case, the job got done, and it all worked out in the end. Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
Mr.Ed u need to keep the temp same or u need to stir get the air particles.what kind of water u using ? If u are on city water u have settlements in the water. Try using purified or reverse osmosis water.
We are on well water here at the abbey, and it is obvious that something got in there since the last time I did the rendering.Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. God's peace Ron. Mr. Ed
You need more molds. Looks like you have one of those restaurant racks for trays. I'd get enough molds and trays to fill one of those racks and cut the number of days you gotta go back and reheat your wax.
You are correct, I need more molds, but because I am so cheap, and I do this only twice a year, I just have not bought anymore. I guess I'm just going to have to break down and get 6 more. Thanks for the help and for taking the time to watch the video. Also, I hope you will check out more of my over 600 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace brother. Mr. Ed
The particles / sand textures you get at the bottom of the brick might be the mineral content of the water that you are using. the more mineral content (like that found in fresh aquafer water for example) the more texture you would get since minerals don't really evaporate. Try using water from a dehumidifier or the run from an ac that water is not good for watering plants r drinking but has very little particle content. and other way to avoid this is using distilled water that you can make yourself in a solar distiller.
As it turned out, it was mineral deposits. Our water system here at the abbey is off a well, and the well pump went out. On restarting, the system was not flushed and a lot of trash was in the water. Unfortunately, my timing was poor and I got water that had trash in it. I had not encountered this situation in all the years I had been doing it, and I hope it does not happen again in the future. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Karl. Mr. Ed
well Mr Ed i watched you as you was scraping and with the comments some great ideals but it made me think of a video you done with the white foam on top of your honey come to find out it was peroxide maybe that could be part of the problem not sure it was your video but kinda sure great videos
So very grateful that you discovered my channel the first time and have continued to watch since. Thank you so much for all the time you have spent following along. Until the next time, God's peace Ralph. Mr. Ed
I think it is a reaction with the water like others have mentioned. If you are going to be processing the wax for cosmetic use maybe melt and run it through a filter to remove any remaining solids or bees. Allow it to harden covered. To keep any other bees from falling in. Then melt just that wax no water. Maybe even find a burner/pot combo you can use in the honey hut to keep debris out. The massive kettle is still perfect for use on frames and rendering wax, but for cosmetic use working in slightly smaller batches inside might be better.
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Hi Jeff, great video and very instructive and inspiring. Regarding the problem with the graining, could it be a reaction between the minerals in the water and the wax when melting? How about using distilled or rain water. Hope it helps.
If you use rain water, make sure it's water that's been collected only after 10 minutes of hard rain. It will take that long to wash the soot, etc. out of the air. Otherwise, those airborne chemicals can again affect your chemical reactions.
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my uneducated guesses would be either minerals from the falling out at the boarder between water and wax, or it could be proteins that are left over are denaturing and making little granulating stuff that the wax binds to. A solution would be a heating method that doesnt need water preheated maybe an induction kettel and slower heating? And by the way i bet you could pour way more bricks in one go if you get these plastik planters they use at garden centers
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Hi Jeff. (Johnny Depp ) I just saw this video. I was thinking, maybe if you invest in lots more silicon firms so that you use up the wax first time without reheating again, that might do the trick?. The dross comes to the top to scoop off. It looks like it's changing its molecular structure each time it's heated? This is just my opinion, I am no scientist. I cook and bake a lot and some foods react the same way. Getting plenty of moulds to do them in one go will save time as well.. I could be completely wrong but try it?.. Your videos are very educational. Living them all. ❤🥰
Delighted to hear you enjoy watching my videos, it is my pleasure to show all the aspects related to beekeeping. I actually did purchase more of the molds to make more bricks. I found out we had water issues, contaminated water, from the well which is why I had the problem, but it is now resolved. Thanks for watching. God's peace. Mr. Ed
Jeff, thanks for all the great videos and information. I really think the problem you're having is the result of melting the wax in water and allowing the water to boil vigorously, which is likely causing a highly-aerated wax/water emulsion (of sorts). Since your melter has a water jacket my suggestion would be to melt the wax by itself - no water at all - and then fill your pouring pitcher from the valve on the bottom of the cooker while filtering the wax through 2 or 3 layers of old t-shirt.
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Use a wood plane and shave it off and give it to the bees, use the plane and take it down to just wax, you have a tendency to leave gunk on the wax and then redo the purification render process multiple times trying to save all wax, if you are prepared to lose 10% to gunk and give it back to the bees, you can save excess rendering.
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Jeff, I so admire your work ethic. May I add my .02 to the problem discussion? Could this be the wax and water combining in some sort of an immulsification? Possibly dial back your heat to a simmer rather than a boil? Hope you find an answer.
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I have never had this happen to me BUT I am a very small operator. (solar wax melter). I always rinse my wax to remove any honey before I melt it. Maybe that is the problem. Love your videos.Keep Making More.! .
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This appears to be an emulsion forming between the water and wax. Melt at a lower temperature, and minimize agitation of the layers. Just avoiding boiling should prevent it entirely. If it persists, try a smaller vessel when you run low on wax, maybe without the aid of water.
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The water is heavier than the wax so as you get to the bottom of the melter there will be a higher water content, so when poured into the mold there will be a higher water content in the bottom of the mold.
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try to let it settle (after boiling) for some time before grabbing a pitcher's worth. I suspect, if you scoop (even from the top) after it's just been boiling you'll still have the same problem. But---that is just a guess.
Just got some Roosta' honey with my jacket from Guardian, does your honey taste similar? Some tasty! Don't know much about melting wax, but I aim to get some 1st hand experience this winter when I got the woodstove going. Only have a few #s, but enough to make a few candles and maybe try some other stuff with the clean stuff. Thanks for your infectious bright, kind spirit. Thanks for posting, peace.
I think the general consensus, and I totally agree with it, is that it is a water issue, contaminants in the water, and after all, we are on well water here at the abbey, there may have been something that got into the well and messed up the wax. Regardless of the issue, the job got done, and Brother Austin was VERY pleased with the end result. Now, it time to move on to the next problem....whatever that may bee.Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate it tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Kurt. Mr. Ed
I made frames with 1/8 hardware cloth, put paper towels on them, piled on the wax cappings, and melted them with a heat lamp. The wax was very clean with less steps. Plus you can make the frames any size or shape you want.
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When you were picking up the raw wax blocks, I couldn't be certain as we only saw the edge of most of the blocks, but it looked as though the particles that settle out on the bottom had not been scraped off those blocks before you melted them. Heating, especially to boiling would have just disbursed those bits throughout the liquid wax to be scooped up by your pitcher and poured into the little mounds? Hope this helps. Great video!
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I would try using Distilled Water. If your using Tap Water maybe its in the water. Just a thought. Every video you make is so educational for me. Thank you Jeff and crew. 🥳
I thought something was up with water too! Contaminates from recent work on the water supply. Ask kitchen staff if they noticed any water problems, they are usually the first to see it!
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I'm sure it's a water supply issue as I've done the same process literally 100 times and never saw this issue before. In case you did not know,In case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I hope you will check out those or maybe one of the other 500 that I have already posted. Looking forward to hearing from you again. Thanks for watching. God's peace. Mr. Ed
100% pčelinji vosak, pravo čudo prirode. Hvala vam na gledanju i nadam se da ćete pogledati više od mojih više od 500 avanturističkih videa borbe s pčelama/spašavanja pčela i javiti mi što mislite o njima. Usput, objavljujem novi video gotovo svakog petka ujutro i veselim se što ću vas uskoro ponovno čuti. Božji mir. g. Ed
A very probable possibility. Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts on the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace. Mr. Ed
It would serve you well if you could find an old used refrigerator and put shelves in it to cool the wax. I'd be willing to bet the wax would be hard in an hour or less and it would make this job a lot easier. Just put the molds on cookie sheets so you can move them into the fridge while they are hot. Your wax is too hot cool the wax down its infusing water vapor in the wax and when it starts to cools below 212 degrees the water condensing before the wax gets hard. Try heating the wax in a separate container suspended in the hot water. It would be a simple way to keep the water out of the wax.
A very good use for an old refrigerator, and I just happen to have access to one. Thanks so much for your suggestion and for taking the time to watch the video. Until the next one, God's peace William. Mr. Ed
@JeffHorchoff Your welcome,the problem with your wax is the water is two hot and when it boils it infuses water particles into the wax. If you want to eliminate this from happening I'd recommend turning the heat down to just above the melting point of the wax . But to insure you only have wax I'd set up a system that works like a double boiler. If you do your initial melt to get the debri out of the wax using the method you are using should be ok as long as you don't allow the water to boil. But when you have your final product you want to pour I'd find a metal pot that is big enough for the volume you wish to pour and suspend it in the water and let the heat melt your wax instead of melting it in the water for your final pour. As hard as that melting pot was boiling it was infusing water vapor into your wax and the water cools faster then the wax once you pour it and you get the layer of water and wax on the top and sides of the poured wax. I've used water as a heat source but on my final pour I use the double boiler method and once my wax melts I give it time for any water that may be infused in the wax to evaporate before I pour the wax. I have an old metal pitcher I use to dip the wax out of the metal container I have suspended in the water. Good luck I've been working with my bees for 40 years and rendering wax for my wife to make into candles for a lot of years and the double boiler set up works the best for me. Good luck ,God bless you with his grace and good health.
I get the same film between the water and fat when rendering suet for soap. I scrape the grunge off between multiple renderings. The last rendering I do on VERY low heat, without water. By that point, most of the impurities are gone.
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It's calcium carbonate from water that's been evaporating so the mineral content was concentrating in the remainder. Use distilled water for melting down wax and problem solved.
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Hi Jeff, My advise. Your final wax rendering should be done in a simply cheaply built solar oven. Size up a large pot and Callender/Pasta Strainer. line the Callender with a large coffee filter or paper towels. Add a few inches of water to the pot. Place wax block on the filter/paper towels in the Cullender over the pot. Shut the solar oven and walk away. The next morning you'll have a perfectly filtered wax block with no impurities to scrap off. When re-rendering your blocks of wax to be poured into molds. Heat the wax to just above melting point. Do not boil. Best wishes brother. P. S. You could do this in a low heated conventional oven as well but a solar over would be cooler and an added content viewer's I believe will find to be extremely interesting. God Bless
What a great suggestion, I'm going to look into that.Thank you so much for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate it tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace La Bella. Mr. Ed
@@JeffHorchoff I love your channel and have been watching you for a couple years now, lol. I go back and watch your vids because you have a demeanor that is just soothing. Plus, you have a great sense of humor. May you be blessed and continue to bless us with your videos. Edit to add: I forgot!! If you use a candy funnel (confectioners funnel/pancake batter dispenser, they're all in the same family), because water settles on the bottom, you can do a quick pour off of the water and wax at the bottom of the funnel, and not have a problem with filling your molds with so much water when you get to the bottom of a melt.
it's paraffin, Foundation manufacturers add paraffin to make Foundation elastic so it's easier to process in machines. when the paraffin is overheated, that granular layer is obtained
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Here is an idea.. get some metal window screen mesh, cut it to the size of your boiler, once the wax is liquified put the mesh in let it settle to the bottom & hopefully strain out whatever that contamination is..??
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You can take a restaurant pan and place it on top of boiling water. Or use a crock pot type of apparatus, point being keep the water separated from the wax
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Hi Mr Ed. Yes, I had exactly the same problem. I overheated the wax. When you do this the wax structure breaks down and it absorbs water. The wax becomes permanently damaged. Solar wax melters have the same problem, so long as you don't heat the wax from a solar wax melter in water, you'll be OK, but if you later melt it in water, it just absorbs all the water and it goes the same way as you've seen. Great videos, My bother and I watch your videos in the UK all the time. We now store our frames and sort them exactly as you do and I never get problems with the wax moth any more.
Looking at your previous wax melting videos and this one, I can see you normally have the water simmering, but this time it was boiling. Even so the water would not have gone above 100 degree C. However, this time you had less water in the kettle, and it looks like your wax was resting on the bottom of the kettle, so some of the wax would definitely have been heated to much higher than boiling point, so damaging the wax. Well, that's my theory anyway.
I hope Jeff and his keep lives forever
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I found you about a month ago. Your videos are interesting and informative.
I’m in my 70s and will never have a hive but I try to plant native plants 🪴. Thank you.
Very interesting. So glad you found the problem.
What a delight to hear you discovered my channel and found the content to your liking even if you never intend to keep bees. In truth, though my channel does focus on bees, for me, it's more about finding joy in the work we do regardless of how the work manifests itself. I sincerely hope you will continue watching, and in case you were not aware, I post a brand new video every Friday and I look forward to hearing from you again soon on a new video. Thank you so much for watching. God's peace Margo.
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Thats a lot of wax! Nice. Bees are truely amazing
Rendering the beeswax is always a fun project for me, and there is so much interest from my viewers I will make 2 or 3 videos a year on the subject. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace.
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Jeff. Mr. Phil here. Man, I love to watch this wax molding. i don't claim to be able to find problems that you can't find, but I am going to do some research and see if I can find anything about the possible reaction you had with those little bricks. I recently had a reaction in my product and I was able to do plenty of research and find the solution. People who don't work like you are working don't understand how these little problems slow down your progress and cause you to waist your limited productive time. Hey, again, I am so glad to have found your channel. I need to send you something to keep you warm over this cold winter. Mr. Phil - Sauce Boss
I'll happily trade items with you any time, and I'm glad you found my channel as well. God's peace brother.
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Very clean candle molds and there are no impurities
I agree, clean molds and clean wax will ALWAYS give you a great product. Thanks for watching. God's peace.
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You're overheating the wax, which is why you're getting the granulation. Keep your temp down to no more than 170°F.
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I believe this is correct. Higher temps damage the lipid structure
@@Nurse_Lucy yeah, the heat denatured the proteins that make up the wax
Makes sense that it was the last batch also, the more wax the cooler the overall temperature. So maybe try decreasing the temperature as you go. Perhaps steam at the end also. On another note, my father was an amateur beekeeper for awhile, would make us kids turn the spinner to get the honey out of the frames, good times lol. Anyway, I'm enjoying your videos, Thanks for uploading!
@@cameronvanatti: wax is no protein!
you mean honky dory hello Jeff so exciting Ibet the product is flying off the shelves Love the video.
I get so excited when I'm talking my mouth can't keep up with my brain and it just goes off on me. Thanks for watching. God's peace Mariel.
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Hey Mr. Ed, I wanted to leave a comment on your video letting you know that you are the most humble person on the internet and I could never find someone as nice as you are here on the platform. As for your beeswax problem, I believe it's the fact that you have your wax soaking in water too long. I think that if you were to pour these into molds such as you're doing I wouldn't use water or let it soak in water or it would crystallize as it is doing right now. Thank you for being such a kind and humble person and you bring so much joy to everyone here!!!
Love all your videos. Going to and watching them all again.
Thank you Tracy, and thank you very much for taking the time to watch the videos. God's peace brother.
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Hi Mr Ed
Only just seen this wax rendering vid. I'm just a hobbyist keeper with half a dozen hives. But as my hives are a non standard size and I used cut and strain extraction, I do end up rendering lots of wax each year to use making my own foundation in a mould.
The issue you have is not new to me.
Like you there's a lot of debris in the initial render cocoons, dirt, honey etc. Mostly filtered and strained out with first render. Then further cleaned with subsequent meltings.
Then I will use the same little muffin moulds as you to get small brackets to melt and use.
The white scum under the individual brickette is water related, as you say. Also I've found temperature related, insofar as if the water is actively boiling the steam bubbles seem to get particles, maybe even gaseous was in them. On a slowish boil you can see them on the surface. Lower the heat to 80 C and they slowly sink!
Your kettle looks like an all or nothing scenario.
I've found I must ensure no water gets into the mould or what you experienced happens.
But if the doner melt is still and settled and no water is picked up or gets in the mould the brick solidifies nice and cleanly.
Bit long sorry. But hope it helps.
Andy Bee.
Thanks so much for the detailed comment, the insight provided was very enlightening. I am happy to say I did find out what the culprit was on this rendering. As it turned out, the well pump at the abbey had failed the previous night, and when it was restarted, a lot of sediment had gotten into the system that was not filtered out, and as it turned out, this sediment was the cause of my problems. When I did the next batch a few days later, the issue was gone and the wax had no issues. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my over 600 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Andrew.
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Hi, this is my first time watching your videos, I love how you explain what you're doing, now I know nothing of bees; except that they sting, but the first thing that came to mind when I saw it is foam from boiling. Mixed with the sediment on the bottom, like I said, I know nothing of what you're doing, but figured I would comment anyway.
So happy to have you watching and commenting, thank you very much for doing so. I found out the problem with this batch, our water was contaminated. Our well water was shut off and when it started up again, all kinds of sediment was in the water and that was the culprit. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Lisan.
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It's me agian i just wanted to say that keep going with the honey my frend
Jeff isn't it just the wonderful Joy of the Lord to keep bees for Him. I Love to see His Joy over flowing your cup brother, Blessed Days. Do other people besides beekeepers sit and watch bees wax dry😉we are an odd bunch.🤣
Looks like air bubbles are forming from some type of reaction, but I'm not sciencey enough to know.😇Blessed Days Brother...
God's greatness surrounds us all if only we take the time to look for it...in good times and in troubling ones. I have to say, the time lapse was pretty cool to see. thank you for your blessings and for watching. God's peace brother.
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the wax drying reminds me of the moons many phases
Great analogy, I did not think of that one. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Carol.
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I had wax get grainy like that. I was told two things may have happened. One, overheated wax. Two, it could be your water being used. Sometimes the water could have minerals in it that can cause it.
Sounds to me that it is something in your water.
Try a different water
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Good morning. There's no end to your talents. Have a good weekend Jeff.
Hi Jeff and hello from the UK
As the water is heavier than the wax it will go to the bottom, I would try and melt the wax at a lower temprature and do not use boiling water just the wax on it's own.
It will probably take a bit longer but I have a feeling it may work.
Just a thought, if you had a kettle with a tap higher up so you could drain off wax mid way, that way you are leaving the water at the bottom of the kettle.
Love the videos
Hey Paul! Thank you so much for your suggestions and for watching, it is greatly appreciated. I really enjoy making the videos on wax rendering and I have had a lot of successes doing it. However, this time it proved problematic, but I have worked out the issue, and it has not returned. Until the next one, God's peace brother.
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Well done 👍👍👍. Thank you for sharing. Be safe 🇨🇦
The weird stuff on the bottom. it's a semi-emulsion of wax and water, I got the same problem when I let the water boil.
It's a pain but I had to melt the wax in a double boiler after the first render to remove the junk.
As I have a double boiler kettle to begin with, adding water is not necessary. However, since I have done the process 100 times before using water and never ran across this particular issue, it was a bit of surprise to me. that being said, next time, I won't be adding the water. Thank you so much for contributing your all your thoughts on the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace brother.
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Loved the time lapse cooling
So glad to hear that, I thought it was pretty cool myself. In case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I hope you will check out those or maybe one of the other 500 that I have already posted. Looking forward to hearing from you again. Thanks for watching. God's peace.
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I liked that too 😅
I work on bioprocessing for Biotech and my thoughts are its likely the protein and fatty acids making an emulsion (fat/wax-water-protein mix) and forming that foam layer and also precipitating once the temperature cools. The protein is always going to be there from the enzymes in the honey and pollen, and the pollen could also be contributing other natural lipids and protein-lipid combinations and causing this. I'd suggest if possible trying to not use water, but if you want to use water I'd always change out for fresh water between batches, but the water is likely making this emulsion problem worse.
I agree - something is making an emulsion. Louisiana has soft water, so it's not likely that it's calcium, but something is causing it. He said that it hasn't happened before, so I don't think it's pollen or other biomaterials. It's more likely that some sort of emulsifying agent present in the water. Maybe it got contaminated with a soap or detergent?
Maybe some sort of double boiler setup would work better to prevent this? Interesting
I have to agree, the water is the issue, and because I have used water while melting wax over 100 times, this time there was something in the water. The simplest solution, don't use water, and because the kettle is a double boiler, I can do this easily.Thank you so much for contributing all your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Matt.
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I think Matt's suggestion is the correct one, and I am going to use it. Thank you for your help and for taking the time to watch the video. Also, in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Debbie.
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@@JeffHorchoff thanks I’ve certainly used so many of your tips while trying to figure out the world of beekeeping
I believe it may be propolis in the wax settling to the bottom .. it is Clearfield cause it has gone through all the cleaning as the wax has
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Hi Jeff I have had this same exact problem and it is because the molten wax forms a saturated emulsion that as it solidifies the water comes out the only way i found to resolve the issue is to melt the wax without using water in a double boiler type melter, instead of using water in the jacket use canola oil
Thank you for your response. Im small time with a crock pot but had the same issue. Im going to try melting with no water and see what happens.
I have to agree, the water is the issue. By not having it in my kettle, and my kettle it is a double boiler, I would eliminate the issue. The puzzling question is I have done the same process a hundred times using water and never ran across this particular problem. I love the canola suggestion as well.Thank you so much for contributing your all your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Mike.
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Let me know the outcome. God's peace.
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@@theohiohousewife just be very careful of the temperature as it is easy to caramelise the sugars in the wax and make it dark brown
@@JeffHorchoff What the residue looked like when you scraped makes me almost certain it is a water/wax emulsion. I have never boiled the water/wax when refining the beeswax, simply melted it and stirred thoroughly to remove trash - with multiple refinings.
It is not necessary to let the wax solidify between refinings - you can drain off the water containing most of the garbage and refill the boiler with hot water so the wax remains liquid. If you drain off a bit of the wax when doing a water change, you even get rid of a lot of the slum that floats in between the water and the wax.
I suspect it depends on how hard you boil the recovered beeswax and how many times that determines whether you may have a problem. I would wager that it was the molds filled from the bottom part of the pitcher that had the problem.
Remember that if you heat the beeswax over about 80 degrees C, it will start to discolor.
8:25 Isn't easier to remove the death bees with a tweezers ore dome chopsticks? It might make that much wax-mess😉 Stefan from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Tweezers would have worked VERY well, but since I did not have any with me at the time, the old screen did the job well enough. Thanks so much for taking the time to watch the video and leave your comment, it is all greatly appreciated. Until the next one, God's peace Stefan.
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Thanks, Mr. Ed! 🐴
I like how you showed us the wax melting in the forms. Each one had a flower pattern in the centre as they hardened up. How beautiful Jeff. ❤ 🐝
Indeed! I had to watch again to notice it!
I've had wax do that before. I just thought maybe I had burned/over cooked it somehow. I don't have an answer for you this time. Shocking, I know.
If it had been a bee question, I know you would have had the answer, but it would have been your dad who told you the answer and you would have just relaid what he said. God's peace brother.
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Hey everyone he has been doing this same process for years in the same way! This i believe is the first time he has had this problem!
I like the idea someone came up with of finding a chemist to figure it out!
You said it was Oct. Did the Abby get flooded when the huricane came through. That could have changed the water in the area. The distiled water idea someone said might be the solution.
No, the abbey was not flooded, thank you Jesus! It is mostly agreed, the water was the villain, and next time I will use distilled water or no water at all because the kettle is a double boiler. Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Samantha.
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Loved the video and your equipment. God bless.
Its definately contaminated but I cant say what it might be. You are doing what Id suggest. Totally empty the wax kettle and reprocess the large wax blocks. Then remelt and try again. Maybe wash the molds with soap and water and let them dry. Good luck!
Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace.
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It looks like a foam layer between the wax and the water. Anytime you get water in your mold it forms on the bottom of the wax. Try to find a pitcher like a pancake batter dispenser. That way when you get to the bottom of your melted wax you can drain off the water from the bottom of the dispenser. I will look for such an item and send you a picture.
I jus recommended a candy funnel, lol. It's basically the same thing, lolol
@@labella9291 That proves brilliant minds think alike. I’m not so lonely now. 😂
@@e.a.deetssr.3253 I am a firm believer in smarter, not harder, and I think this would be much smarter, AND a time saver.
We know he's got his hands full day in and out, so I'm all for anything that would make his job easier on him, you know?
I am that one for unorthodox repurposing... Example, I am making dog food sausages, to make it easier to feed the dogs!! Will it work? It SHOULD. And in the end, it will be a time saver, because I can just give the dogs the appropriate number of sausages, instead of scooping and measuring.
Yes, it looks like it is sitting on water in the forms
Saran Wrap Bubby! God Bless!!!
Also when its strarts to get hard. You Could Take a Small Cross and indent each one thwn peel saran wrap off and Praise God!!!!!
You could place a fan in front of the cooling wax to speed it up
Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace brother.
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In the end you made lot of beautiful wax. Good luck in finding the problem source. I know the smell in the honey house was heavenly. Thanks for sharing. God bless.
Still got the job done, and had fun doing it....even though the mystery is not solved. Thanks so much for your blessings and for watching. God's peace brother and see you at Hive Live.
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Another great video. 👍 very interesting to watch.
Wow that’s awesome I would love to buy some so beautiful 😍
The wax bricks really were beautiful and smelled sooooo good. Unfortunately, I do not have any extras to sell.Thank you so much for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate it tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Alana.
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Mr.Ed great video. Enjoy learning from you. My bees have been bringing in pollen, this last week of January, on the warmer days. I'm in SW Louisiana. Any idea where they are getting it from? They have been active for the last two weeks on the warm days. Thanks for the info.
With the warm weather back for a bit, plants will bloom and the bees will find them. Truthfully, I can not say with certainty what specific type the pollen is, but be grateful they are bringing it in. What part of LA are you in? Thanks for watching. God's peace Stephen.
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@@JeffHorchoff Choupique, La. South of Sulphur, off of exit 20 on interstate 10.
Great video. I love to see that you show everyone how nothing goes to waste from the bees :) just beautiful! Thanks for sharing and letting me tag along :)
Those silicon forms are great for making muffins and cupcakes. You don't need to grease that pans or use paper liners. They are best thing since sliced bread. God bless you and your wife and your work for the glory of God.
I do love the silicon forms, they are awesome. Thank you for your blessings for Mona and me, and for watching the video. Until the next time, God's peace JJ.
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Hello Mr. Ed , I was wandering how you heated your wax tank ? I'm assuming it's steam . If so what kind of boiler ? I enjoy your videos , Thanks
It is a double boiler heated with natural gas. Since I don't need to put water in the tank, the next time I will just melt the wax that way I won't run into this problem again. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Jimmie.
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So pretty!
So glad to hear you enjoyed the video, thanks so much for taking the time to watch it and leave your comment. Check out the link below if you have the time, it's a video I made showing all of the cottage industries here at St. Joseph Abbey. Also, in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Sherry. Mr. Ed
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Fresh off the tree fruit for a snake, can't beat it! Will have to try beeswax lotion bars.
Wonderful gift shop sales numbers brother, Blessings.
I bet all that was smells so good!!
I'm waiting until TH-cam puts "smell-o-vision" on their videos so I can include it on mine. It really does smell awesome. God's peace Jennifer.
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Enjoyed the video Jeff. Id sure like to have smell-a-vision. I bet the honey house smelled wonderful. That sure is a mystery about that white stuff. It will be interesting to find out what it is. You take care and God bless.
I am almost positive it is a beeswax/water emulsion - probably caused by the hard rapid boiling used to purify the beeswax.
It is definitly a reaction to the water, maybe not getting it to a rolling boil will help. Try lowering the temperture once the wax starts to melt so you don't get that hard rolling boil more like a simmer might reduce the effect. I have not made candles in a long time, but I remember never getting my wax to a rolling boil. Hope this helps
Thank you so much for contributing your thoughts to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate both of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Gene.
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Great video, Mr. Ed! Thoughts: The "junk" on the bottom is the denser wax mixed with microbits of trash and intermingled with water. If you used a bottom-pouring jug (kind of like a mini version of the boiler you have) then you could pour off any water first, then once the wax starts coming out you use the rest to pour into your forms.
As for your molds, just get more of them to speed up production if you're pressed for time (I suspect you do lots of other things in the meantime while these dry), and when taking them out, flip over the whole mold and pop them out by pressing gently from the top which may help speed up extraction.
Peace in Him!
That weird wax at the end looks very weird, but I wonder if might be "microparticles" from the very hard boiling of the wax. So as it cools in the kettle, it forms those weird structures. It would also trap a ton of wax, maybe. Not a beekeeper, but just thinking about the physical process of going from a liquid to a solid.
As I have a double boiler kettle to begin with, adding water is not necessary. However, since I have done the process 100 times before using water and never ran across this particular issue, it was a bit of surprise to me. that being said, next time, I won't be adding the water. Thank you so much for contributing your all your thoughts on the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace brother.
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Hi. I just found your channel. I love what you are doing. How much do you sell one of your cakes of wax for from the bucket?
I am so happy you have discovered my bee wrangling channel, thank you for your kind words and for taking the time to watch the video, it is all greatly appreciated. I'm sorry to say but I do not sell any of the wax that our bees produce as our needs at the abbey use all they produce. Also, in case you did not know, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Jeneifer.
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I think there's water/steam in the wax towards the bottom. If you get the water off and do just pure wax I bet it won't do that. But you say it's like sand, is it gritty? That's strange. I need to get me some of that Monk soap to wash away my sins. lol I'm glad I watched this, I needed the inspiration to get out and work my wax cappings. Thanks for the video. P.S. Dirt Rooster beat you to Oklahoma.
He told me all about their visit with you guys, man was I jealous. I mean after all, I knew you before he did. Just to show you I'm not too jealous, I'm going to have to send you some Monk Soap to help with your sins. Now get out there and work on them cappings. God's peace brother.
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I like working with wax, the smell is just heavenly. What I am wondering is capping wax is white in color and the foundations wax is amber in color, why is the Ed ?? I am no expert in beeswax but can tell you that you do not have enough water in the pot when you melt the wax. Was told years ago that the more water than wax ratio will give way cleaner and purer beeswax. This was told to me by my father and his friend. This was thirty forty years ago. Also, excessive heat does not help the solution process. .Nice work Ed and peace to you Sir too. God bless you Sir. vf
P.S. does you water have a lot of minerals dissolved ?? I can see the white froth has impurities in it fella. Also, when you melt wax in an vessel that is way higher then wider you get way better outcome. That is all I can think of Ed !!!!!!!!!!!
The reason for the difference in color is capping wax on honey is brand new wax that has not had a lot of traffic run over it. The more bees walk on the comb, the dirtier it gets. The issue with this wax rendering was due to a shut down in the water well. When it restarted, there were a lot of other elements in the water and it contaminated the batch. I had never had the problem before or since...thankfully. Thank you for your blessings and for watching. Until the next one, God's peace Vic.
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I love these videos so much. I hope to be a bee keeper one day, it’s such an underrated important job. Keep up the videos!
I too hope you join the ranks of being a beekeeper, the world needs as many beekeepers as it can get.Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace.
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Wow i love it when you are inthe honey house ir melting wax thank you for the slow mo of wax drying i loved it .. but it looked like the wax turned white ..but the cake at the end were not white .. i hope to go in a road trip to visit soon
I'd love to have you visit me here at the abbey. Just make sure before you come to get in touch with me to make sure I will bee here. My email is
oscelata@gmail.com
Thanks for watching. God's peace brother.
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You sure will be filling orders. I plan on placing my first one. I’m excited. I want so much lol. May try a little or each.
I love your personality as always and what you do and appreciate you taking us on the journey with you. Okay now I need to watch the video 😊
More molds! can fit 4 of those molds in chafer steam tray fr buffet, a thin layer of ice. Molds should pop in 30 min 🤞🙏🤩😍😍😍😍🤩😍🐝🐝🌺
I just ordered 8 more molds, it will shorten my work time for sure. Thanks for watching. God's peace.
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Definitely looks like mineralization of some kind. I’ve seen something similar in my area where we have extremely hard water. I’d install a pre filter on your water inlet and maybe not going to a rolling boil. Love your vids and have a blessed day sir!
Thank you for your blessings, suggestions, and for watching, it is all greatly appreciated. Until the next one, God's peace John.
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You mentioned that these blocks were from the end of your wax run. I have had a similar problem myself and I came to the conclusion that it was water/steam penetration in the wax. Do you think this could be your problem too? I don't really hae a solution for you but the way I resolved it was to leave some wax behind and use it in the next batch. I notice that you weighed the blocks at the start of the process so it might be better to weigh the total amount of wax as an output from the process rather than as an input weight (unless that information is important to you).
Thank you so much for your suggestions, they are really good ones. I'm certain that my problem on this batch was a water issue. We are on a well, and there was a problem with it and they shut the water down. When the started the well up again there were contaminates in the water, and I think that was the issue as I had never experienced the problem before.Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Paul.
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Mr Ed, I’ve seen that before but not to that extent. I wonder if it’s some broken down propolis in the wax?
You need more molds! The amount of electricity that you’re using would be reduced with more molds. I know the silicone molds aren’t cheap. Thanks for the video! Remember, God is in control!
I'm ordering more molds for the next time, it would reduce the process in half if I had 6 more of them. For sure, God is in control. God's peace always Don.
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When I was cleaning my wax for a local beekeeper, I melted it down and poured through Reusable Cleaning Cloth Wipes Multi-Purpose Heavy Duty Towels Domestic Dish Cloths. It's like a wave pattern cloth that filters all the parts, I did this about 2 to 3 times and it came out perfect.
Thank you very much for sharing your method, you way of doing it is very impressive.Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Dean.
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Pollen in the wax might form that sand pattern. Just scrape the sandy stuff of and clean it again. That's kind of the last bit of unclean wax. I get it to sometime. To much honey and pollen and other particles in the wax. Melt it down again and clean it one more time, till it is gone. Good luck! And hope to see you in Severville in january!
It could have been, but I don't know for sure. In any case, the job got done, and it all worked out in the end. Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Make sure you tell me hello in Severville, I'm looking forward to being there. Until the next one, God's peace Yasmin.
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@@JeffHorchoff to you too!
Wax is a mixture of poly chain waxy substances if you keep it melted, it will get separated by gravity... I think those chains have different melting points and they "crystallize" differently
The densities are too close together - convection currents in the melted beeswax would keep them from separating.
Yes, they have different melting points, but it would take very precise temperature control to take advantage of the characteristic.
I get those small hard particles also--- remember I asked you about them. I even see those particles on the outside of the hive boxes sitting on the ledges. I have come to think they are insect eggs of some sort. So to clean those out I have started passing the wax through a fine cloth mesh during a second melting.
It could have been, but I don't know for sure. In any case, the job got done, and it all worked out in the end. Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace brother.
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@@JeffHorchoff just pass that part of the wax through old cottom t-shirt material with a rubber band over your pitcher
Mr.Ed u need to keep the temp same or u need to stir get the air particles.what kind of water u using ? If u are on city water u have settlements in the water. Try using purified or reverse osmosis water.
We are on well water here at the abbey, and it is obvious that something got in there since the last time I did the rendering.Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. God's peace Ron.
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You need more molds. Looks like you have one of those restaurant racks for trays. I'd get enough molds and trays to fill one of those racks and cut the number of days you gotta go back and reheat your wax.
You are correct, I need more molds, but because I am so cheap, and I do this only twice a year, I just have not bought anymore. I guess I'm just going to have to break down and get 6 more. Thanks for the help and for taking the time to watch the video. Also, I hope you will check out more of my over 600 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace brother.
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The particles / sand textures you get at the bottom of the brick might be the mineral content of the water that you are using. the more mineral content (like that found in fresh aquafer water for example) the more texture you would get since minerals don't really evaporate. Try using water from a dehumidifier or the run from an ac that water is not good for watering plants r drinking but has very little particle content. and other way to avoid this is using distilled water that you can make yourself in a solar distiller.
As it turned out, it was mineral deposits. Our water system here at the abbey is off a well, and the well pump went out. On restarting, the system was not flushed and a lot of trash was in the water. Unfortunately, my timing was poor and I got water that had trash in it. I had not encountered this situation in all the years I had been doing it, and I hope it does not happen again in the future. Thanks for watching, and I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Karl.
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well Mr Ed i watched you as you was scraping and with the comments some great ideals but it made me think of a video you done with the white foam on top of your honey come to find out it was peroxide maybe that could be part of the problem not sure it was your video but kinda sure great videos
Love the beeswax videos. In fact it was searching for beeswax a few year ago that brought me to your channel and I’ve been watching ever since.
So very grateful that you discovered my channel the first time and have continued to watch since. Thank you so much for all the time you have spent following along. Until the next time, God's peace Ralph.
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I think it is a reaction with the water like others have mentioned. If you are going to be processing the wax for cosmetic use maybe melt and run it through a filter to remove any remaining solids or bees. Allow it to harden covered. To keep any other bees from falling in. Then melt just that wax no water. Maybe even find a burner/pot combo you can use in the honey hut to keep debris out. The massive kettle is still perfect for use on frames and rendering wax, but for cosmetic use working in slightly smaller batches inside might be better.
Thank you so much for contributing your thoughts to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate both of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Alex.
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@@JeffHorchoff Sometimes city water has particals of dirt in it. My friend uses only bottled water to melt the wax.
@@131dyana When I lived in the city I use to distill my water. You wouldn't believe the gunk that was left behind.
Mr.Ed take clear glass of water let it sit for a day and see if there's any settlements at a bottom of the glass.
Will do, thanks for that and for watching. God's peace Ron.
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Hi Jeff, great video and very instructive and inspiring. Regarding the problem with the graining, could it be a reaction between the minerals in the water and the wax when melting? How about using distilled or rain water. Hope it helps.
If you use rain water, make sure it's water that's been collected only after 10 minutes of hard rain. It will take that long to wash the soot, etc. out of the air. Otherwise, those airborne chemicals can again affect your chemical reactions.
Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Ivo.
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Why do you add water?????
@cindy peterson ...to avoid that the wax sticks to the bucket.
@@ivotamm7405 Also to keep from overheating the wax, which would be a fire hazard.
my uneducated guesses would be either minerals from the falling out at the boarder between water and wax, or it could be proteins that are left over are denaturing and making little granulating stuff that the wax binds to. A solution would be a heating method that doesnt need water preheated maybe an induction kettel and slower heating?
And by the way i bet you could pour way more bricks in one go if you get these plastik planters they use at garden centers
I think those would warp from the temp of the wax.
I Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. By the way, I'm ordering more molds for the next time, it will cut my time in half by having more of them. Until the next one, God's peace brother.
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Hi Jeff. (Johnny Depp ) I just saw this video. I was thinking, maybe if you invest in lots more silicon firms so that you use up the wax first time without reheating again, that might do the trick?. The dross comes to the top to scoop off. It looks like it's changing its molecular structure each time it's heated? This is just my opinion, I am no scientist. I cook and bake a lot and some foods react the same way. Getting plenty of moulds to do them in one go will save time as well.. I could be completely wrong but try it?.. Your videos are very educational. Living them all. ❤🥰
Delighted to hear you enjoy watching my videos, it is my pleasure to show all the aspects related to beekeeping. I actually did purchase more of the molds to make more bricks. I found out we had water issues, contaminated water, from the well which is why I had the problem, but it is now resolved. Thanks for watching. God's peace.
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@@JeffHorchoff I am pleased you got the problem sorted. 🤗
Jeff, thanks for all the great videos and information. I really think the problem you're having is the result of melting the wax in water and allowing the water to boil vigorously, which is likely causing a highly-aerated wax/water emulsion (of sorts). Since your melter has a water jacket my suggestion would be to melt the wax by itself - no water at all - and then fill your pouring pitcher from the valve on the bottom of the cooker while filtering the wax through 2 or 3 layers of old t-shirt.
Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video, as well as your very kind words, I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Dale.
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Use a wood plane and shave it off and give it to the bees, use the plane and take it down to just wax, you have a tendency to leave gunk on the wax and then redo the purification render process multiple times trying to save all wax, if you are prepared to lose 10% to gunk and give it back to the bees, you can save excess rendering.
Thanks so much for your suggestion and for watching, it is greatly appreciated. God's peace.
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Very interesting video, can you show the rest of the process?
Yes indeed! As soon as Brother Austin tells me he is ready to make the lotion bars, I will be videoing it. Stay tuned. Also, in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace Michael.
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Jeff, I so admire your work ethic. May I add my .02 to the problem discussion? Could this be the wax and water combining in some sort of an immulsification? Possibly dial back your heat to a simmer rather than a boil? Hope you find an answer.
You sell yourself way to cheap, that was worth more than 2 cents.Thank you so much for contributing your all your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Mike.
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I have never had this happen to me BUT I am a very small operator. (solar wax melter). I always rinse my wax to remove any honey before I melt it. Maybe that is the problem. Love your videos.Keep Making More.!
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I love the simplicity of a solar wax melter....and they work extremely well.Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts and suggestion to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Duane.
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Looks good. ❤
This appears to be an emulsion forming between the water and wax. Melt at a lower temperature, and minimize agitation of the layers. Just avoiding boiling should prevent it entirely.
If it persists, try a smaller vessel when you run low on wax, maybe without the aid of water.
Thank you so much for your input and suggestion, it is greatly appreciated as well as for taking the time to watch the video. Also, I hope you will check out more of my over 500 bee wrangling/ bee rescue adventure videos and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video almost every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace.
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The water is heavier than the wax so as you get to the bottom of the melter there will be a higher water content, so when poured into the mold there will be a higher water content in the bottom of the mold.
Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate it tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace.
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try to let it settle (after boiling) for some time before grabbing a pitcher's worth.
I suspect, if you scoop (even from the top) after it's just been boiling you'll still have the same problem.
But---that is just a guess.
I actually did that, let the water come to a complete rest after boiling, and it did the trick. Live and learn. God's peace brother.
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Just got some Roosta' honey with my jacket from Guardian, does your honey taste similar? Some tasty! Don't know much about melting wax, but I aim to get some 1st hand experience this winter when I got the woodstove going. Only have a few #s, but enough to make a few candles and maybe try some other stuff with the clean stuff. Thanks for your infectious bright, kind spirit. Thanks for posting, peace.
Very interesting content, thank you sir
Wonder if it could be some type of protein from pollen or something else that might be in the hive. lighter than water but heavier than wax.
I think the general consensus, and I totally agree with it, is that it is a water issue, contaminants in the water, and after all, we are on well water here at the abbey, there may have been something that got into the well and messed up the wax. Regardless of the issue, the job got done, and Brother Austin was VERY pleased with the end result. Now, it time to move on to the next problem....whatever that may bee.Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts to the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate it tremendously. Until the next one, God's peace Kurt.
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I made frames with 1/8 hardware cloth, put paper towels on them, piled on the wax cappings, and melted them with a heat lamp. The wax was very clean with less steps. Plus you can make the frames any size or shape you want.
Awesome process, thanks for the suggestion and for watching. Also,I hope you will check out more of my bee wrangling/ bee rescues adventures and let me know what you think of them. By the way, I post a new video every Friday morning, and I look forward to hearing from you again soon. God's peace Michael.
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Definitely water contamination, you need to melt the last part in dry pan or pot over water like chocolate.
Good luck.
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When you were picking up the raw wax blocks, I couldn't be certain as we only saw the edge of most of the blocks, but it looked as though the particles that settle out on the bottom had not been scraped off those blocks before you melted them. Heating, especially to boiling would have just disbursed those bits throughout the liquid wax to be scooped up by your pitcher and poured into the little mounds? Hope this helps. Great video!
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I would try using Distilled Water. If your using Tap Water maybe its in the water. Just a thought. Every video you make is so educational for me. Thank you Jeff and crew. 🥳
I thought something was up with water too! Contaminates from recent work on the water supply. Ask kitchen staff if they noticed any water problems, they are usually the first to see it!
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I'm sure it's a water supply issue as I've done the same process literally 100 times and never saw this issue before. In case you did not know,In case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I hope you will check out those or maybe one of the other 500 that I have already posted. Looking forward to hearing from you again. Thanks for watching. God's peace.
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looks like maybe some pollen particles were left in the beeswax? and when heated it comes out?
A very probable possibility. Thank you so much for contributing your your thoughts on the mystery and for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate all of them tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace.
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It would serve you well if you could find an old used refrigerator and put shelves in it to cool the wax. I'd be willing to bet the wax would be hard in an hour or less and it would make this job a lot easier. Just put the molds on cookie sheets so you can move them into the fridge while they are hot.
Your wax is too hot cool the wax down its infusing water vapor in the wax and when it starts to cools below 212 degrees the water condensing before the wax gets hard. Try heating the wax in a separate container suspended in the hot water. It would be a simple way to keep the water out of the wax.
A very good use for an old refrigerator, and I just happen to have access to one. Thanks so much for your suggestion and for taking the time to watch the video. Until the next one, God's peace William.
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@JeffHorchoff Your welcome,the problem with your wax is the water is two hot and when it boils it infuses water particles into the wax. If you want to eliminate this from happening I'd recommend turning the heat down to just above the melting point of the wax . But to insure you only have wax I'd set up a system that works like a double boiler. If you do your initial melt to get the debri out of the wax using the method you are using should be ok as long as you don't allow the water to boil. But when you have your final product you want to pour I'd find a metal pot that is big enough for the volume you wish to pour and suspend it in the water and let the heat melt your wax instead of melting it in the water for your final pour. As hard as that melting pot was boiling it was infusing water vapor into your wax and the water cools faster then the wax once you pour it and you get the layer of water and wax on the top and sides of the poured wax. I've used water as a heat source but on my final pour I use the double boiler method and once my wax melts I give it time for any water that may be infused in the wax to evaporate before I pour the wax. I have an old metal pitcher I use to dip the wax out of the metal container I have suspended in the water. Good luck I've been working with my bees for 40 years and rendering wax for my wife to make into candles for a lot of years and the double boiler set up works the best for me. Good luck ,God bless you with his grace and good health.
I get the same film between the water and fat when rendering suet for soap. I scrape the grunge off between multiple renderings. The last rendering I do on VERY low heat, without water. By that point, most of the impurities are gone.
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It's calcium carbonate from water that's been evaporating so the mineral content was concentrating in the remainder. Use distilled water for melting down wax and problem solved.
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Hi Jeff,
My advise. Your final wax rendering should be done in a simply cheaply built solar oven. Size up a large pot and Callender/Pasta Strainer. line the Callender with a large coffee filter or paper towels. Add a few inches of water to the pot. Place wax block on the filter/paper towels in the Cullender over the pot. Shut the solar oven and walk away. The next morning you'll have a perfectly filtered wax block with no impurities to scrap off. When re-rendering your blocks of wax to be poured into molds. Heat the wax to just above melting point. Do not boil. Best wishes brother. P. S. You could do this in a low heated conventional oven as well but a solar over would be cooler and an added content viewer's I believe will find to be extremely interesting. God Bless
You may want to look at a candy funnel to pour. One with a trigger.. It would be so much easier.
What a great suggestion, I'm going to look into that.Thank you so much for taking the time to watch the video. I appreciate it tremendously. And in case you did not know, I post a new video every Friday, and I would hope you could check some of those out or a few of the 500 that I have already posted. Until the next one, God's peace La Bella.
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@@JeffHorchoff I love your channel and have been watching you for a couple years now, lol. I go back and watch your vids because you have a demeanor that is just soothing. Plus, you have a great sense of humor.
May you be blessed and continue to bless us with your videos.
Edit to add:
I forgot!! If you use a candy funnel (confectioners funnel/pancake batter dispenser, they're all in the same family), because water settles on the bottom, you can do a quick pour off of the water and wax at the bottom of the funnel, and not have a problem with filling your molds with so much water when you get to the bottom of a melt.
it's paraffin, Foundation manufacturers add paraffin to make Foundation elastic so it's easier to process in machines. when the paraffin is overheated, that granular layer is obtained
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great video
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Here is an idea.. get some metal window screen mesh, cut it to the size of your boiler, once the wax is liquified put the mesh in let it settle to the bottom & hopefully strain out whatever that contamination is..??
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Love watching the process!!! Hope you find out what the problem with the sandy substance. Thanks for sharing!!!
You can take a restaurant pan and place it on top of boiling water. Or use a crock pot type of apparatus, point being keep the water separated from the wax
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