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- How to edge joint and face joint boards without a jointer using a simple sled.
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I love the idea of using the miter slots on the tablesaw for the jig eliminating the need for the fence. Thanks!
Finally! I knew you couldn't plane a board without making it flat first, but I never really understood the reason why until now. Thanks!
David, thanks so much for this! I've seen other woodworking TH-camrs explain how to make a jointing jig - but this is by far the best illustration/ explanation of the why/ how it works. Also, I really appreciate how you've shown us a couple different hold down options. Thanks for doing what you do! ☺️
Thank you!
I agree, I've watched some pretty complicated explanations for this process. This was simple, straight forward and easy for me to replicate. Cheers
"You can feel the suction. What is that called, Dan?" "Suction" haha love it! Great videos.
that made me laugh real hard too!
I think it is related to the Van der Waals force. And yeah I suppose most folks aren't going to just whip that off the tops of their heads.
But I have no planer and no table saw either.
Karate chop
Do you in fact have no wood either?
@@SenselessUsername I have diesel fuel and a camping lighter. Does that count?
@@Andrew-ih2gz You're halfway there, you can trade for firewood which you might exchange for palletwood or similarly straight-ish bits and bobs.
All right. Then get me an avocado, an ice pick and my snorkel. Trust me, bro. I've made bongs with less. Hurry up!
Apart from the fact that video is informative, your shop is so clean i mean its unreal.
Man. Your shop is SUPER clean. I’m jealous.
This is the BEST video on jointing without a jointer! Best ever!
Good to see you teaching new dogs old tricks. I got along without a jointer for some years. Now that I have one, I wouldn't go back!
Thats the best video Ive seen for demystifying the process for all of the Non-jointer owners out there. Great job!
Thank you!
I made this 2 weeks ago and finally got to use it yesterday.... M O N E Y!! Worked perfectly on my lunchbox planer. No snipe at all. It was great!
nice setup, good to see someone using a table saw correctly with the riving knife installed.
But no Crown Guard!
Great video! Just the simple description of the purpose of the Planer versus the Joiner was worth watching.
the cleanest wood shop I've ever seen (nice dust system) :)
Awesome video and great way to go without a jointer. I would also add that this method is way better than any bench top jointer especially for longer or heavier pieces. I have an 8in spiral bench top jointer and it gets me through in a pinch...but a floor standing even 6in would have been better to save up for. With a jointer it's all about that bed length, then cut width and spiral head. Also, the hardwood dealer option can be very economical as well. My local place will straight line ripping one edge for $25 up to 250bf, they will plane and sand thickness to your spec for $50 up to 250bf as well. When considering the time to mill 150bf myself for a big dining table..no way, I now pick it up ready to start using from them and save myself a day or more.
Very helpful. Jointers are expensive. Having a way to get by with a planar is helpful for many folks.
Thanks for this video. I am a new woodworker and am currently deciding whether or not to invest in both a planer and jointer so this video was a perfect find! But, while the lesson is great, I am thinking of still getting both because this seems like a lot more trouble than finding a way to afford the two machines!
Yes, if you have the budget for both then it will make things much easier and for me more enjoyable.
the lip on the sled goes through first because you want the rollers to push the board against the lip of the sled so it all passes through the planer as a single unit . Sandpaper is a good trick too tho. Good video, I used this trick for a while before getting a jointer
Great point, thank you!!
I give you a thumbs up just for the Marantz in the background. Very classy.
It’s for sale!
I'm planning on giving my brother my old lunch box planer at some point, and when I do he'll get a link to this video as well. Thanks for the best video on how to straighten a board without a jointer, I've seen yet.
Thank you SO much! I have a jointer, but it's a 6" benchtop model, and I needed to joint boards that were 8" wide, and this worked PERFECTLY!!!!
Right on! Glad it worked!
Great video!! Such a simple fix for those those can’t invest in a full shop of tools!!
Nice job on this video David. I love how you drilled down on making this woodworking fundamental task approachable to more people who may have thought they needed a jointer, or even just needed a bigger jointer. Using a sled is a great alternative to a 12”+ jointer, that is for sure
Yes. You need a jointer. A plainer. A table saw. Shop the used market. I just picked up a 25 year old delta jointer for 200 dollars. It is in great shape and works perfectly.
I know I'm late to the party Dave, but this is, IMHO, one of your all-around best videos ever. Production, Process, Presentation, and not to forget Content are all top-shelf. Best to you Bro and thanks for all the helps.
Right on, thank you!
Hello David ... it's been a long time since I've been on the site. It was good to hear your voice again. I still don't have a jointer and I just knew you would have The Mother Jig of all jointer substitute jigs. You didn't dissapoint. As always, thanks much for the great ideas as well as fun to watch videos. Take care and stay safe .... Cheers, Dave
This video will make a big difference and improvement for my shop and productivity. Thank you for sharing and for the inspiration!
Okay, now I've changed my mind, I need a planer first! Awesome tutorial David, can't wait to try it out
I had that dilemma and got the planer first and I sit idle looking at the stacked, bowed, curved, tree the lumber yard happily delivered free for hardly nothing because I can't do anything with it. It was a great price for a LOT but put as coal wood and undesireable for a reason. I am self teaching and I have learned hardly nothing with injury from using saws for other things, possible lung issue from throwing cheap masks to the side, and...no creative imagination to use what I do have to create something.
With all of that information being said it only does one thing. It shows I have at LEAST the wisdom to say with great authority- first ask yourself what wood will you be using MOST ( such as plywood, lumber, chipwood, MDF etc ) and if its heavy duty dining tables from solid lumber...such as in my driveway...get that jointer or you will never get anything together. Just trust me on that. The jointer is your right hand for boards! Now that planer I decided was more important HAS enabled me to clean old worthless looking planks. de nailed from extreme pallets built to like, deliver large items like sofas then never used again. I have what seemed was likely split and rotted oak 4x4 planks appx. 10 feet long I pulled apart 2 years ago and decided to see what the planer would do to shed that nasty it had all but grown seemed like and i just finished the most heavy duty bed frame with it with small 11 inch posts for feet to enable more storage. It is a beast! It wasn't oak though. The whole time it was so dirty the planar hit a red knot and that wonderful pine smell lightened my mood! 3 inch thick wood perfect fit to box spring and FANTASTIC solid sleep!
Very very nice clean up without spending a fortune and half your life by sanding it off. That is a VERY fast wood clean up over sanding then one orbital sand pad to it instead of 50 of them saves money! I have never used any "plies" on anything but my table saw.and circular saw. MDF, table saw.
Boards need a jointer or I wouldn't try to glue the sides together unless they are level already. I seem to have more need for a jointer. Food i guess for thought.
GET THE JOINTER
@@TEXAS-SMITH I have a planer, but no jointer. I learned how to flatten a board with a handplane before sending it through the planer, although a planer sled is much easier. I also have a home built version of the Rockler tapering jig with which I a can get one straight edge. The other edge is easy on the table saw. The edges are easier than flattening a complete face. Therefore, I favor having the planer first. I still don't have a jointer, although it might save some time.
Thanks so much for this. One of the most important tasks to learn when starting to take on woodworking, make sure you know how to square up up your lumber.
By Far my favorite online woodworker informative fun practical.
I love how you kept this under 10 minutes.
Thanks so much. Even if I had the money for a jointer I don't have the room. This is a great hack!
David, I tried your method on my Dewalt 13" planer on some 8/4 hard maple. It was certainly slower than a dedicated jointer; however, the outcome is just as good. Thanks for a great video for those who just do not have the space for a jointer!😀
A number of years ago I saw an article in I believe it was Fine Woodworking of how to make a sled for the planer. It was quite complicated with bungie cords and wedges. I made mine similar to yours. However, I used 3/4 MDF which makes it heavy. I like the idea of using the adhesive sandpaper. Thanks for the tips I'm sure I'll be incorporating some of these.
the best explanation I've ever heard about getting a square board and parallel sides.
A couple people have pointed out that the lip of the sled should go through the planer first because of the rotation of the cutting head. In the video I'm putting it through backwards. Thanks to those of you who caught this!
Great vid. Would you say that putting it in backwards would be the reason for the gouging on the end of the board?
@@viluvaboy nope. That's called "snype" and from my understanding you have to have a very VERY fine tuned planner to get no snype. Mine has been doing it since new, but I never tried fixing it, I just cut out the length I need after I plane a long board.
@@Shoogzy365 Oh ok that makes sense. Thanks for responding and sharing your wisdom/knowledge! I look forward to trying these techniques.
That's a good point and better that you posted the edit. I saw the lip go first on another video, but since I'm a noob, I didn't catch it here. Still, entertained and enlightened. Once I get my electrical figured out to where I can actually use the machines I've been gathering, I'll be back for continued instruction. I definitely appreciate your work on providing these tutorials. Thanks man.
How about if I don't have planner and jointer. What I do?
Nice, I was thinking about buying a jointer today. Being only a small hobbyist I didn’t want to spend a lot on a tool I’d use on the rare occasions.
No jointing sledd ,no problem. For shorter wood like five foot or less I use a long straight edge on my fence. Just place the wood with the concave side to the fence adjust it push it through get one straight edge ,parrallel rip the other side.I. Have made several different sleds over the years for jointing different sizes but this straight edge method seems to be as fast as anyting. Thanks for the video.
made this last week and it was a super easy to make and have used it several times in the past week and is now my go to jig when starting any project. Thank you for sharing.
Always Love watching you Brother.
Pick up something every time.
I was just talk to my wife about one of your videos that I can’t seem to find again. You was explaining how to put a price to a particular item you built.
Sigh. I’ll just buy a jointer lol
I hear that
Lol No shit man
Buy a No. 5 hand plane and learn how to use it properly. Won't cost you anywhere near as much, won't need as much space for it, and you'll get better results once you get the hang of it. You'll get the hang of it. Won't take that long. Probably take you less time than it will to pay off the jointer.
A decent jointer requires a lot of shop space, something I never have enough of. I once spent $400 for a Jet jointer/planer combo. Total piece of crap. The tables weren't co-planer and not adjustable. A good way to get curved boards.
And with this jig, you can flatten wider boards than on a jointer.
@@psiclops521 This is the winner, right here.
Thanks David for the 2 free months of skill share I'm getting into woodworking and this will definitely help. Great video of not using a jointer as I do not have one yet.
GREAT VIDEO
Dude, great skills, great hi-fi equipment, great guitar. Rock on!
Thanks David. A simple sled that just works. The dual purpose is a big plus. I’ve put off getting a jointer due to space & cost. Getting ready to make a Maloof style rocker and will put this sled to work.
You do have an impressive shop. Almost as good as your Grandsd’s! His has ambience.
I’ve not used a jointer for 35 years. Your sledge is the main solution. However I mostly use hand planes. I also find my thicknesser does improve the board with each pass. I think the jointer is too difficult to use safely. For me it’s a no no for anything thinner than 2”. There can be bounce using a jointer. They are called buzzers for a good reason.
Thank you David. I am moving closer to making a sculpted rocking chair. I just could not spring for the cost of an 8” jointer. A smaller version of sled will work great with my lunchbox planer.
Still making a few crosses. Nowhere near as many as your Grandad. Hope he is well.
Good video. If the board is too big for the planar. I recommend creating a router sled jig. I use it on all of my living edge tables as my bench top planar only accommodates 13"
Awesome video man! I used the sled tonight to plane some boards and it worked perfectly. Thanks for posting
Ahaha! I love the woodworkers take on dropping the mic! Thanks for not pulling a Tom Brady mic throw! Lol
Love the energy that you bring to your videos!
I definitely like your table saw sled with the clamp method and those clamps. I was using a piece of thick metal and screwing into the wood, this will save time and eliminate going into the wood. Awesome planing techniques. Thanks for sharing your amazing knowledge with the community!
I made a sled like this a few years ago. I found that 3/4 inch plywood wasn't always stiff enough for the planer. I ended up making a torsion box sled which I made from scrap square aluminum tubing. Having the tubing was sheer luck, you'll probably have to use plywood. There are several TH-cam videos on making various sized torsion box tables. You can get away with something about three inches thick overall. It is ESSENTIAL to check at every stage for flatness. Otherwise the top surface of mine is pretty much like the top surface of the one in this video.
But a three inch thick planer sled is too thick for a tablesaw sled. My tablesaw sled is nearly identical to his. I cut a piece of wood to fit in the miter slot (actually I cut three - three tries to get one just the right thickness so it didn't wobble, yet slid smoothly) and screwed it onto the plywood so that one side stuck out just a smidge into the cutting line of the blade until I cut it the first time. Then I had a zero-clearance edge on the tablesaw sled.
you are a natural teacher and very entertaining. thanks for the great content
A nice set of tools, some 12" vinyl and a nice stereo with record player.
... and a no-dust shop?
I think you've definitely earned your junior hipster badge.
Using sand paper is brilliant! Don't have to worry about hot gluing or taping your shims down like I have seen other people do. Thanks for sharing!
This was very clear, thank you!!
Thank you for this! Used it for some rough cut cherry about 6 foot. Slow for the first couple boards but after that I was rolling. I did the grip tape but still ended up having to use a little hot glue.
Awesome! Very good video, thank you!
The lip you built on the sled, if necessary at all, should be on the leading edge, as the rollers push forward more than the knives push back. This was a correction in fine woodworking on a similar sled they published a few years ago
Yes, you are correct and I realize this now. Thanks!!
Agree. This is more obvious if you do not use sandpaper so you get to watch your board slip through. Don’t ask how I know!!
@@pdwire123 Good judgment comes from experience; and most experience comes from bad judgment....
pdwire123. As a young apprentice (17) I got hit in the bollocks from a planner launched javelin board. I’m 44 now, never forgotten.
@@rollovaughan When I was new to woodworking, I was attempting to rip a board with my radial arm saw, but I had put the board in the wrong way and the blade shot the board across the basement hitting the dryer control panel. Nothing was seriously damaged except for the dent it left in the control panel. My wife saw the dent and asked if I saw it. My reply was "Dent? What dent?" Years later, after that dryer was long gone and replaced, I explained what had happened. She just laughed and shook her head. But, I did remind her that she burned my pants with an iron on the night before our wedding on the next day and we both laughed about that. That was 45 years ago and we're still together and have never brought up either incident again.
I love the t tracks in it, gonna modify my sled with this. Solves the issues I usually have. Thanks Dave!
Seems to me one could also use a t-track to address the short end first/last question by having a 'fixed' block on the leading end and a center mount t-track with a low profile block to securely hold the board in place (along the feed axis at least).
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Throw in a few angle marks and this becomes a trifecta super tool for those of us with only a table saw and a planer.
I asked my local lumber yard to joint one edge of some rough 8/4 ash I was buying. Cost me $30 and it wasn't even square to the face. Going to do it myself next time...thanks for the vid!
Yikes! That’s crazy. I think most places charge just a couple of dollars.
it's been 20 yrs since I did screen printing too, I seem to remember the potential for a mess was awesome!
That shop is so CLEAN!!!
I like the sandpaper idea
Will definitely have to come back in the next month or so and rewatch this. I'm VERY close to upgrading my table saw and getting a planer. Having a jig like this would essentially pay for itself just in the money saved by postponing the jointer purchase!
I've used this method, and it works if the work is supported well enough. It's a lot easier on thicker, more rigid boards. For wood that's four quarters or less, you have to shim carefully, and it may take more shims, some of which might need to be flat.
I really like the sandpaper alternative to using hotglue! Thanks for this!
Love your workshop setup man
I edge joined boards with a router and square tube for years. It isn’t fast but works beautifully
I edge join boards with hand planes. It is relatively fast and the results are unparalleled.
Thank you for this. I have seen many overly functional and over complicated jigs that achieve the same results. Love this one and I love it semplicità and budget outlook.
I gave up on this sled jig because of how confusing it was however I’m going to give it another try after seeing this video. Well done simple explanation but effective.
@DIY BOSS does it work with your new sled? I also made one but the result was suck for long hardwood made for Long kitchen cabinet table top or thick dining table top due to uneven plywood or soft MDF so I gave up as well and now considering to get a jointer.
Verry fine Idea. Thanks for Video.
Love your dust collection set up
Great , now I need a shop like this
beautifully done
Your shop looks so clean!
David, I really love your enthusiasm on camera.
Super video. I’m new to wood working and this helps a lot.. THANKS!!!
Dude! So timely! I just found a cheap thickness planer... barely have room for that, let alone a jointer! 😅 thanks for the great tips! Inspiring, as always
This was a great video. Thank you for taking the time to make it. You've shown some great work-arounds.
Such superb tools
Great video and great timing - I needed this idea today!! Thanks for sharing!!
Gonna be a great weekend!!! Just got your Cutting Boards book off of Amazon! Wow! Very detailed and great pics!!!
Right on! Thanks Randy!
Great no nonsense. Thanks!
Several great tips, we're going to put them to good use. Those darn trees just don't want to grow straight these days! Another great and informative video, thank you!
Thanks for all your great ideals
I've worked with TV hosts less talented. Well done, great work.
Awesome my man. Great use of a single jig.
I’ve used this face jointing technique before and the shims always slip. The sand paper is genius. I also like the paste wax idea. I’ll probably use shellac too. I might actually make a dedicated sled that works this time.
I have a torsion box sled and have been hot gluing the shims in place. That is a pain in the backside. The sandpaper idea is genius. Now I just have to find some of that sandpaper......
2:53 I don't know if anyone noticed but you put that jig through the planer the wrong way round. The rollers are pushing on the workpiece, so the lip at the end of the jig should be at the front of the workpiece. That way the rollers push on the workpiece and the workpiece pushes the board through. The only reason it worked when you did it the wrong way is because of all the friction from the sandpaper.
This is really good content. Super easy to understand with your explanation. Thanks.
Great video, I teach high school woodshop and one tool that takes a lot of practice is the joiner. I like these two ideas
Using a hot glue gone is great for little bit of flex in the middle or if the board doesn’t need much milling. You also want to mark the side being planned the first time with a pencil to make sure there aren’t any unseen flaws and to be positive you’ve planed the whole board.
Great tips. Great video. Thank you for sharing.
great Video David ! Thanks for teaching so enthusiastic and encouraging
I have also used hot glue in place of sandpaper on the sled
Thanks Dan! You guys are killing it.
Awesome video. No cam out opportunities so all good, baby! 10/10
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Awesome! That’s exactly what I was looking for.
Can you do a video setting up those micro jig runners? I couldn't get mine to work, I'm convinced it's a me problem though.
Thank you very much. Very good video