Mizuno Pro 245 vs Mizuno JPX923 Forged Forgiveness Comparison
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- Mizuno Pro 245 vs Mizuno JPX923 Forged Forgiveness Comparison Review. Where I test the Forgiveness differences and also what differences are there in Feel and Looks between the JPX923 Forged and the Pro 245. The 923 Forged is the first Forged iron in the JPX923 Range where the Pro 245 is the most Forgiving and most Distance inspired iron within the Mizuno Pro Range. Commonly used as bridging irons for golfers moving between the more Game Improvement side of Golf to the more Players section.
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your analyses are always uniquely practical and relevant, much appreciated
i was just waiting for this one!!!!!!
Great review as always!
Will we see a comparison of 243 and 923 Forged?!
If I get 30 like on the comment 😊 it's on the list 👍🏻
Do it! 29 lol
@@AskGolfNutgit her done!
Get or got? 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I indeed watched it! Great vid! Appreciate all your insights. I am down to evaluating the Ping Blueprint S and a weakened PXG0317T... have a 6 iron in both in hand for on course testing. Leaning toward Ping at the moment, but we shall see.
I play MP20 SEL (lefty) during the winter , just bought 245’s for this season hit them on the range and they are so improved over the MP20’s which are fantastic.
Launch is up more playing 0.5” longer / 1 degree weak and 1degree upright (toe digger) they have to be the best Mizuno grain flow forged I have ever owned and I have owned every MP since 2001
I'm a higher handicap returning to the game - did a fitting that included the JPX923 pro, JPX923 forged and the MP245, the feel of the 245 is remarkable. I just received my 5-GW set this weekend from Mizuno. They are absolutely gorgeous clubs, can't wait to hit the links (UST F93 graphite shafts, 1 degree upright). I highly recommend a fitting regardless of your playing level, the back to back comparisons and fine tuning is worth the time and cost for sure.
I like to see the comparison to to JPX Tour. Good stuff dude.
You're a machine! Those numbers don't move much.. I wish I was that precise.. I'm getting fitted for the 245 soon and can't wait for my first mizuno set.. Thanks for your reviews..
I wish I was a machine, it would save me some time 😂
Great Work! I really value these reviews you’re doing. I think it may be interesting to see how the scoring irons do in these clubs. You may already know without comparing. ???
Can’t wait to watch this! When do we get to enjoy the 223 vs 243 compare video?
Hopefully this week 👍🏻
This one is next on the list 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut fantastic! thanks for your hard work on these videos. I really enjoy them!
Great video Jay. What weight shaft are you using in the video? I have a ball speed of just over 100 mph and carry of 145 yards with my MP29 7 iron(34 degrees loft, 115g Project X LZ shaft) and wondered if my speed would pick up enough to game the 245's 6 iron if I dropped to a lighter shaft. Thanks again for the great videos.
Great review Jay. The 245 seems like a winner this year. I've been pretty dead set on a Zx5/Zx7 combo but the 245 keeps smiling at me from across the room. Weakening 2 degrees would take a little offset away and add some bounce which I've found helps me with Mizuno irons. It would also ad some spin for control and shorten the distance down a touch. Well done Mizuno.
A match made in golfing heaven 😁😁
Thank you Jay. I currently play Ping I210. Which Mizuno club is similar in feel but will provide a little more distance for a slower swing speed player?
Hot metal pro vs 245 coming soon?
Just need some more likes on the comment and I'll defo bump it up the list 👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I play 919 HMP. Have had forged 850 and others for years also in Mizuno. The 923 HMP has 28.5 degree loft 7. Because of that I had rockets off a 7. Sure like a current 6 iron but saw some jump an extra 10 yards I don't want. I'll stick to my current sets. But ;loved this comparison. I'd lean towards the forged. Just because I'm used to that look over the years. Thanks!!
@@AskGolfNutPlease, please, please compare the HMP to the 245.
This would be the comparison that would make sense in terms of players distance irons. Im looking to get the 245 or Jpx hot metal or hot metal hl whip would you recommend for a higher handicap looking to get a players distance iron
Ok ok I'll do it 😊😊
I would go for the Mizuno 245 if I had to choose. Also, they manufacture in LH for both these models.
The 923 forged spin seemed to spin more in general. That’s what stood out as the biggest difference to me. So if you’re a player that need extra spin then that’s something to think about.
Please do a 245 vs Callaway Apex Pro 2024 comparison. Both are hallow body. Thanks
I’m happy with my 921 Forged irons, but if I was buying again, I’d be seriously tempted by the 245s.
Your 921's are safe for a couple more years I would say 👍
I do like the look of those 245’s 👌🏻
I'd like them more if they were a little more shiny 😂
@@AskGolfNut I’m sure they would sell more if the 241 and 245 were shiny chrome!
I'm still tempted when I have the time to try and polish them to see if they shine up 👍🏻
Any advantage to combo set in the 5-8 and 9-GW?
Thanks. 923 forged it is then for my next change!
Have to be quick...... 925 is just around the corner
As soon as 925 is out there won't be any possibility of custom fit for the 923s 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut thank you for that! I didn't realize the 925 launch was imminent! Hmmm, maybe I should just wait?! lol
Just did a Mizuno Fitting. I have been playing 225s for the last two years, but its pretty obvious I was in a shaft that was too heavy and stiff for my swing, and definitely have been feeling that I might have bit off a little more than I can chew with those clubs. I walked in thinking I was going to get 245s with a better shaft option, but admittedly, I got better numbers from the 923 forged. The fitter switched from the 245 to the 923 without telling me, and I instantly got 3-4 miles of ball speed. I tried to let the numbers and not my ego make the decision, and I ordered the 923. I dont have them yet, but all this waiting around is giving me second thoughts. I am currently a 12, trending down, but admittedly, my ball striking is not my strongest suit. Especially out of the toe, I felt like the 923s were better on my misses. Am I crazy to buy the 923 forged over the 245s? The Mizuno rep was adamant the 923s were a touch more forgiving, but not sure your data agrees.
I don't think you're making a mistake with the 923 forged. They are undoubtedly the safer play. Performance will be pretty much the same, but you have a bigger club head to give some more buffer on the mishits. I agree that I would have guessed the JPX 923 Forged were more forgiving. I'm in the same boat as you, with my game trending upward, and misses generally being toe side. The forged are great for this. It's really hard to compare the data without having the club delivered in the same way. Face open a bit adds more spin and launch, attack angle higher can lead to more spin and launch. If you were comfortable with the 923 Forged, there's nothing to second guess here. Enjoy your new clubs!
Interesting the Mizuno Players iron is more forgiving than the JPX. Feel like everyone would assume the opposite.
I currently have the Callaway RAZR XF Forged irons. "Super game improvement" but find as my swing and strike are improving, these irons may be working against me. Had them 10 years, looking for something a bit more "grown up" now.
Do you think the 245’s are worth the difference in price compared to the JPX? I like the look better but interested to hear your opinion
I think firstly it comes down to fitting. Then depending on the results and how close the options were I would then consider the price and the different justifications. Price does have to be a consideration, but any golf purchase should be one for a good number of years so the difference is price has to be negotiated over the years of use that you'll get from them. 👍🏻
I have just been fitted for a set of JPX923 forged irons, I never actually tested the Pro 245, do you think it is worth going back and testing them before I make a purchase? Doesn’t seem like there is too much between them, I did read something about the Pro 245 being for a slightly slower swing speed but wanted to get your opinion
I swing my 7 iron 90mph, 5° in to out. My bad shot is a hook because I close the face down too much. Please help 😅
Hi Angus, I'd say with a purchase of this kind of monetary value then I'd want to test all options. There may be or may not be differences between that and the Forged as they are lofted very similarly. Individuals react differently to irons so absolutely I'd want to test them before purchasing the Forged.
Also ignore what you read about Swing Speed and iron choice, the only real information surrounding that is when you are talking 70mph and less speed where the HL irons definitely can make a difference to Carry distance over the Std Game Improvement irons 👍🏻
I remember your review of the 221 concluding that it was ridiculously forgiving for a blade. Can we get a head-to-head comparison between the 221 and 241 in forgiveness?
Hi there, in the weird world of youtube, the latest video of the Pro 241 actually hasn't done great on view count so far so I can only assume golfers don't really care enough in their masses about the new 241. I'm not sure I can justify the time taken to produce a compare video (takes the longest of all videos to create and produce) that may well only appeal to a fraction of golfers.
I can say however that due to the changes design of the 241 with less meat on the heel and toe and more focused weight behind the hitting area that the 242 may well be less forgiving than the 221 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Understandable, and that matches with my expectations. The muscle shaping in the 241 seems like it would have better performance out of the middle, but less forgiveness on misses. Thanks for your work!
Great review Jason, I'm not sure why Mizuno produce two different clubs with essentially the same performance. Ok in terms of aesthetics they are very different looking. I have the JPX919s forged and now looking for something different. The 245s tick a lot of boxes. I think it's really is between the ZX4/5s and the 245s, both nice looking irons, so all down to performance I guess. I have a moderate swing speed so my bet would the ZX4s but would like to be proved wrong!
Just be wary about using very strong lofted irons if you have a moderate swing speed, you may find that you will have to transition into hybrids fairly early on and quite quickly around the 7 iron area. Mizuno make these 2 irons as bridging iron and to be perfectly blended depending on the golfers needs and they also have slightly different levels in the way of how forgiving and where from on the club face 👍 oh and please call me Jay, I haven't been called Jason since I was last told off by my mum when I was young 😀
Thanks for the reply - Jay 😘
Whilst the 7-iron numbers are virtually identical, I wonder how the loft differences in the scoring irons between these 2 models impact distance gaping? Too often, these stronger lofted, hotter faced mid-to-long irons can create 15 or more yardage gaps between clubs which put large gaps at the bottom of player’s bags.
I think Mizuno try to address this with the 245 and 243 thru slightly stronger lofts in the scoring irons but I’d be interested to see what that looked like in practice.
I currently game the 923 HMP and with a 28.5 degree 7-iron which definitely puts some separation in my bag that I wouldn’t necessarily consider in a fitting/demo. I’m strongly considering a full swap with 245 to gain a bit more control and perceived improvement in distance gaps.
You are correct that the gapping is different and does or may lead to be more or less helpful with golfers of faster or slower speeds, but also dynamically how much loft they deliver between their iron set. Its hard obviously during a fitting where only a 7 iron is present, however the fitter can measure what you do with your lofted irons to see the disparity between that and the 7 iron to allow for this 👍
Heck yeah. Not a direct comparison but any consideration to 241 vs JPX23 Tour?
I'm waiting for your suggestion to get the like button hit up a few more times before I push it up the list to do 👍🏻
Of course - might even be more comparable to the 241s but quite interested how they shake out!
I notice that you and many club reviewers using GCQuad strike the ball slightly (2-4 degrees) toe down. Is that due to shaft flex, using demo clubs not spec’d to you, or immaterial? I have a much slower swing speed (65 mph-I’m old) with the same delivery. Is it worth trying to fix it with lower hands at impact or bending the clubs or don’t bother? My miss is still usually to the left.
I have a long drawn out answer, it's much much more complicated. If you reach out via Instagram I can give you a better more in detailed response 👍🏻
Or I can copy this comment and answer it in tomorrow's live stream?? 👍🏻 👍🏻
It would be cool to get the answer on the live stream so the whole world can see. I’m not sure my comment via instagram worked as I’ve never tried it before. Can you say when the live stream would be on in Chicago?
Please can you do T150 vs 245, both as is and at the same loft?
I'd say T350 is more similar to the 245.
My miss is generally out of the heel so you’re telling me the 245 are for me?
I’ve never played mizuno before I’ve had 4 or 5 years away from the game in terms or regular play.
I was a 5 now I play off 9 my current set are Nike vr pro combo from 2010 great iron served my well but I’d like the benefits from some modern tech I am 42 now.
The last set I was trying before I stopped were mizuno mmc 18s I think I thought they were amazing to be honest.
J, I need some advice. I'm 71 years old and live in Florida at sea level. I need some distance and decent angle. What clubs would you advise me to try. Cheers.
Hi Randy, what's your club head speed with a 7 iron? 👍🏻
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Impeccable timing, getting fit in about a week
Hi Cory, let me know how it went 👍
@@AskGolfNut blending 245 long irons w/ 243 short irons makes sense to me, but what long irons would you blend with 245 short irons? 923 HM pro are almost too long. Thoughts?
You could move them all a degree or so to match, depending on your delivery and how efficient you are, you may have to bring the lofts of the 245 slightly stronger to that of the HMPs due to the hugely fast faces of the HMPs.
243 is a slightly different proposition, I would run the lofts equally so you can bend both a touch each way or solely bend the 245 weak to retain offset looks etc 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Thank you so much for there thoughtful response. I'll let you know what me and my fitter decide this week. I'm too excited to sleep 😂
That's for your advice throughout. Ended up with MP245s, 5-GW, nip pro 950 shaft. Goodbye JPX 900s, we had a good run
I was just fitted for the 245. They feel amazing. I did try the forged and I wasn't as big of a fan. The look and the feel was just slightly off compared to the 245 for me
The 245 is a forged iron 😂
@@keithmason5584 Jpx forged
@@keithmason5584The 245 are not forged irons, certain parts of it are forged as its a hollow boded. The JPX 923 is completely forged.
@@aaronrogalsky4167 idiot ! They are fully forged then laser cut to form the hollowing process , Mizuno actually have a video on here !
How does the 245 compare to the cobra king tour in terms of forgiveness?
Good question and well worth doing a video on 👍🏻
Would the 245s be most conparable to the T150s in the titleist line?
T200 might go with 245. I went from T150 to 243 and it was the right choice for me.
I'd agree with the below although its possibly a blended version of the T200 and T150 so an imaginary T175 :-)
@@AskGolfNut hehe thank you sir!
If you need a little help to hit the ball higher which one of these two clubs would you suggest?
@@markboreham5258 245 launched higher. Longer shafts could also help. I went from standard to +1 1/2" shafts with no downside.
Thoughts on 245 vs hot metal pro?
Thinking that may well be a good compare to do 👍🏻
245 vs 223 please
Off topic but what are your length and lie specs off standard?
For Mizuno it's standard length and 2 degrees Upright 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing
Smaller, more forgiving but slightly less hot out the middle. Hard to not pick 245 but some of us prefer the comfort of a cavity back.
What do you mean by comfort
@@JDDD33 Cavity back looks more forgiving while the 245 looks like a blade.
Imo the forged feels better, I have hit both and I can tell the longer irons with tungsten feels firm and clicky compared to the forged. Also the forged seems to be more forgiving and better feel. Best of both worlds. But both great irons
Seems like the biggest difference is aesthetics - whatever brings the biggest smile to the player!
Yep that can go both ways, as some like clean looks where others, like more busy looks. That's the beauty of being human.... We, are all different 👍🏻👍🏻
7 iron only spinning high 4000s? Is it the Mizuno ball doing this?
Very surprised at the spin difference
It's not massive but there is a small and consistent difference 👍🏻
Jay these mizuno irons are actually 1/4 inch longer than what Mizuno was just a couple releases ago.
This business of fudged lots and length starts to be a bit much to be honest. These manufacturers are going to such length to get another 7 yards at best while impacting spin, trajectory and for me the most important which is feel to a degree that now just comes across as pure marketing.
I just realized today- more like accepted it in my mind - that all I have to do is get my old Mizuno blades out of the basement and hit my 6 iron instead of trying to force a modern 7 iron to the distance I want.
Such BS.
Forgiveness is something i welcome but distance…Enough.
Coming from the older MX-20 I'm searching for an updated Mizuno iron to replace them. I really don't know which of these two models I should be playing. Handicap currently is a 12-15.
Hi there, any equipment choice should never be bought on banding of handicap due to the individual nature of how each golfer comprises their strengths and weaknesses within their game. I did a video explaining how golfers of different needs regardless of handicap need to check off to see what type of iron they need. Take a look at the below and hopefully that'll show you what strengths you want in an iron choice to help you on your decision 👍🏻
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I’ve used the Jp’s-921 forged, and prior was a set of Mx-20s. I do miss the top line of the Mx-20s.
When are the 245 available in the uk.
Later this month, but fittings are already happening and being processed from the 1st February 👍🏻
My 245’s should be sent from the U.S. within the next 48 hours - fingers crossed. Fitted for a different shaft than what I was playing in my Mizuno 923 forged. Both beautiful irons but then me being the worlds biggest tinkerer installed the axiom 105’s. Hoping for even more added forgiveness but then to get the weight right they were installed to play half an inch longer. Ok for a while but then it started to get in between my ears too much. So I’ll be able to let everyone know how I get on in a few weeks.
Talk about keeping the golfing economy ticking over!!
Hot metal pro, hot metal, hot metal HL vs 245
That's a long video 😁😁 currently doing the HMP vs 245 👍🏻
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