Yep you're right I did do it 😊 took a long time to collect all the data to get a conclusion but if you want to look on my video listing it's there to see 👍🏻👍🏻
Jay!!! Thanks for doing this compare since I had requested it. Very much appreciated. I think you know me by now based on the comments I make on your channel and it should be no surprise to you that I’m going to focus on sound and feel 😉. Btw your room acoustics are phenomenal. In my opinion, the JPX 923 Hot Metal Pro takes the win for sound and feel. And not just against the 245 but against most of the irons border lining that Players Distance category. The sound engineering on these sticks is one of the greatest achievements I’ve come across in club head design. I’ve field tested pretty much every iron out there and the Jpx hm pros keep making their way into the bag. If you then consider the other criteria like ball speed and forgiveness it’s a no brainer why these clubs should be at the top of the demo list for every golfer who wants to make the game easier. The only change I would like to see for the next iteration of the JPX hm pro would be a slight change in the 4 and 5 irons so I don’t see the back of the club from the address position. Hence why I use a 245 3 iron at the top of my iron set. All the very best. Cheers.
I was waiting for this comparison! I got fitted for a set of 4-PW 923 HMP with Project X LZ 6.5 last fall and I've been kicking myself a bit thinking I should have waited for the 245s. But seeing how little difference there is between the two mollifies me a bit, especially with the price difference.
Hi Jay, great video as always. Just tried the Pro 245, 243, 923 Forged, and the 923 HMP. I did not get on well with either of the 923s which surprised me though my clubhead speed is low to mid 80s so did not get enough peak height. I always seem to do better with a thinner soled club compared to the thicker soled clubs.They felt good though and did not mind the looks at all. I then tried the 243 and immediately my peak height was in a good window and my descent angle was consistently above 48° so on the right track. I moved into the 245 which I really liked the look of better than all the others. Well, it performed great, a bit longer than the 243 but what I really liked was the peak height and the descent angle which were slightly higher than the 243, win win. I am hoping to hit the 243 and 245 off grass very soon and see if the results are similar to the simulator, if they are and the 245 still out performs the 243 in height and descent angle I will go with the 245 but maybe weaken the loft 1° to keep the peak height and descent angle functional down to a 5 iron. Being in my mid sixties I have moved to graphite shafts and on this occasion I hit UST Recoil 95 shafts in both stiff and regular flex, the flex did not seem to make much difference in performance though the regular flex just seemed a bit smoother. Great job Jay!
another great video - thanks again!!! - HMP are the real deal, along with the zx5 best value and performance golf clubs in the market by a country mile - especially if you custom order, so many options with no upcharge unlike Titleist.
Great comparison video, Jay! I would be very interested in a video showing how you go about shifting path back where you want it when it drifts left. Any drills you do, or just the process for you. I think it would appeal to quite a lot of folks. Just a thought!
Great review! As I expected but what I did not was the heel shots being better on 245. Distance is almost too much on HMP. It's why I keep my 919 HMP. They are not so jacked for loafs. You are blessed with that swing. Enjoy watching.
Thanks for doing this review. I wanted to wait for this before I made my decision and from your comparison I definitely think it’s worth testing out both club heads at a fitting to compare some numbers but I’m leaning towards the 245’s. love the look and want the feel/feedback. Also as I improve I feel growing into the 245’s as a 15 hcp would be better in the long run
I agree, if you are aspiring to improve, I think also that the 245's will and could easily grow with you rather than possibly the HMP's loosing their luster as you grow out of them 👍
Great comparison. I’m going in for a Mizuno fitting this week. I’m looking at either JPX 923 Forged or MP 245. I played JPX 923 HMP (off the rack set) this past year which I really enjoyed, but the face was way hotter than I’d like as it started to make gapping issues. Plus I missed the solid feel of forged scoring clubs. I can attest to the retained performance on toe misses as that is where I generally miss the face.
What did you end up going with? I had a fitting last week for the exact 2 clubs and ended up going with with Pro245's. They bent all 7 2 degrees upright and threw in a KBS Tour 120S shaft. Although both felt great, I found the consistency and ball flight suited my swing a tad better than the 923 Forged. Both clubs were lights out, and felt great....really can't go wrong with either or
Totally agree; a shootout between the 245, Z5 mkII and T200 would be super interesting. Going for a fitting soon so would be great to hear your in depth analysis and comparison 😀
thanks for a fantastic review of both Mizunos. I'm considering the 245's but they are a little bit too strongly lofted and I fear the 5i will not get desired flight window and flight too low. Would you consider weakening the loft a degree? What would that do to overall distance, flight window, etc?
Jay, I am very happy with this video. I am about to invest in new irons. I had a set of JPX919 HMP and for the life of me I traded them in. I am going to invest in JPX923 HMP and hold onto them for some time. Your evaluations have helped me make up my mind. Many thanks.
Just ordered the 245's. Very excited to be gaming Mizuno's for the first time and happy they were the ones that i hit best in testing. Once we get them fit for me I suspect we will be weakening the loft a degree. I was launching them but still had a tight dispersion and solid results on some mishits. 52 yrs, 13 handicap, high 80's swing speed w/ 7i for reference.
Question, surely you know what loft you'll need following the fitting you had to determine that the 245s were the best choice, or do you mean when you get the you'll have a follow up session where you will do a gap test on all your irons to see if there are any inconsistent distance gaps between irons so you'll be tweaking the individual irons to better gap them? 👍🏻
Interesting video showing while the 923 Hot Metal Pros might be more forgiving overall, on heel strikes (my most common miss) the MP 245 is actually just as or more forgiving. As a 20 handicap with 80 mph 7 iron swing I’ve been scared away from the pros but it looks like if I’m ever going to make the jump to the Pro series, the 245s could be the ones. Hard decision when the HM Pros are cheaper.
Jay, great reviews on all of the new MP irons. All the reviews I have seen focus on the 7 iron with the tungsten. Have you hit the 8-gap yet in the 245’s with the different head construction? I’m curious about the feel and “punchy” response off the face of the scoring irons.
Yes I've hit the 5, 7 and 9 iron and although you can feel a slight difference running into the GFF 1025e later on there aren't any weird distance gapping issues. The purpose of the change in metals and the offset of the change in tungsten is to stop any weird and wonderful distance gappings between the scoring irons 👍🏻
Good news. I had the Cobra Forged Tec a few years ago, and really struggled with trying to hit some controlled wedges. Everything came off hot and far. Sounds like the 245’s may have solved that issue.
I have hit both 243 and the blueprint s. The 243 has my gamer shaft so I love the feel but ping was damn near identical in numbers. In your opinion what do you think is the better choice. I trust your word. (I would put the LZ 6.5 in the ping if (my gamer)
Great video, do you do titleist comparisons? I have the hmp but would prefer a smaller clubhead and more loft like the mizuno pro or the titleist t200, 150 ot 100
Great video Jay. This video brings me to ask you for some advise please. I currently have 6 to gw in the 225 and 54 and 58 in s23 wedges. Considering the hot metal pro does not come with a gw wedge what would you suggest? Also as loft are stronger in the hm pro is there a possibility i could ditch the 6 iron? Will be getting a fitting tomorrow so any prior help would be useful
Hey Jay...a new subscriber that loves your reviews. If you had to blend the 245 and 923 HM Pro from 4 all the way down to LW...what would be an ideal blend?
Hi Nathan, welcome. Blending depends a lot on speed and club delivery dynamics. Normally the blend would move into the more forgiving and helpful in launch club when ball dynamics would dictate the need for extra help. Commonly the blend would be around 6,7 and 8 iron 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNutthanks!!! Been to a few fittings and getting too many different views. It's quite exasperating and with the cost of these clubs, one must endeavour to get it right. I just re-watched this video for the umpteenth time for some inspiration 🙂 Appreciate your views!!!
@nathanvanrooyen3927 also if you have done a good in depth fitting then deciding on a blend is quite an easy thing, the numbers you deliver to make the decision will be quite transparent. If you have the data I'd be happy to look at it to help 👍🏻
You can't, the B roll head videos are done before I hit them and film any content..... Not everyone wants stickers showing when displaying the golf club 😊👍🏻
Absolutely it's a consideration for all golfers, and it's not a small number. Hopefully golfers are building a set which lasts them many years so that any difference in price is offset over a long time period, but yes the difference is definitely a factor which many have to consider 👍🏻
Thanks for this one. I got the 923HMP december 2022, but find the 245 much prettier. And filled with tech, you start wondering if they are the better choice... The forgiveness on the HMPs you mesasure is quite cosistent with my experience. E.g. when I feel that I have hit a terrible toe shot, and immedietaly complain, I get some raised eyebrows from my buddies, as it is hardly possible to see a reduced performance, and it usually ends up quite well... 😅 As I'm actually normally toe biased with my mishits, otherwise low middle, the HMP's seem to be the better choice than the 245. In the hypothetical, that I could choose either Today, the price diff. would still allow me to get HMP's, and then add a brand new set of three S23 or T24 wedges to replace old worn wedges, and still have money to spare!! 😮 That would scoring wise more than make up for 245's slight performance advantage on heel strikes. As a matter of fact, I actually did get a pair of S23's in the same spec/shaft as my HMP's, and I love them. 😎 All in all, this review makes me (stay) happy with my HMP's - even though the 245's are sooo pretty.
It definitely is a consideration that many people will have to weigh in on their decision. Justifying the substantial costs of the 245s is more or less difficult depending on your circumstances. I am though more and more impressed with the 245s performance considering they go up against something like the HMP which should have a clear advantage. Price again must be considered though 👍🏻
Could definitely work on speed related training to dial up your baseline numbers. Even a relatively small gain in club head speed across the entire bag can make a substantial difference to playing yardages on the course 👍🏻
It is true for the purest..... However the JPX923 cast models are among the very softest sounding Game Improvement irons on the market. This has no bearing whatsoever on their performance, its just how one company versus another choose to design their clubs 👍
245 is definitely the looker and a more realistic loft for a decent player. Needs another high profile tour player to voluntarily use Mizuno and open buyers eyes. Once you play Mizuno you never leave 👍🏻
I'll let Mizuno know they need to spend, some more money on the Tour department..... I'm sure they'll listen 🤣🤣 do be fair they are doing a great job investing in the lower Tours trying to get the players earlier as they make their way through to the main Tours. 👍🏻
The 245 keeps showing well in these tests. Being able to play a forged head with copper vs a cast head, while still keeping that much forgiveness is outstanding. May not be video worthy, but I think a good comparison would be between the mid tier forgings. Zx7 Mkii vs 243.
@@saintcruzinyou and I had an exchange about fell in irons and what not…I think and I also think the hmp’s sound softer. But the 225’s feel more buttery. Go figure. However, on the note of forged vs cast it shocks me very that the pros like Jordan spieth and others say they can’t feel the difference in their Vokey wedges being cast. What’s up with that?
Vertically wise they are basically identialcal, the baseline height may well go to HMP but the amounts you can alter flight between them very much so depend on the golfers ability to control angle of attack and dynamic loft. When it comes to workability of curvature, again both clubs given the same or very similar club face to path will tilt the axis of the ball the same amount, what more workable in these two would mean that due to the 245s head CG being closer to the shaft axis CG due to its smaller head, the 245s wont be as stable to that of the larger headed HMP 👍🏻
The price may help fix that 😁 But if you are looking to move into the MP (Miz Pro) range then absolutely the new 245s are a great blend of Forgiveness and performance with the introduction to the Mizuno feel that only improves as you progress 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut they seem like a great iron but I think if I want to have the most control and be able to manipulate the ball, while still having some tech, I’d probably be better off going with the 223/243. My only concern with that line is the 8-GW seems more of a muscle back.
They'll no doubt be more 245 vs..... But don't have access to PXG, again much like Titleist in that there seems to be a solid brick wall of non communication 🤷👍🏻
0317T are worlds apart from 245. They are a more direct comparison to 243 or the Titleist T150. Pxg might claim that they are a Players Distance club but in my experience in field testing they are nothing like a Players Distance. If you don’t hit them right in the middle you pay a huge penalty. On the very positive side when you hit the 0317t right in the middle it almost feels like your club is made out of rubber. Just a weird but great sensation at least for me who loves buttery soft.
Massive fan of the channel Jay, but seeing the video length of 24 mins puts me off viewing 😢. Head to head like this doesn't need to be more than 10 mins.
Wowsers, I can't imagine how I am going to get all the information I put into an in depth comparison into a 10 minutes or less video.... I would be really interested if you could download my video (you can download in 720p resolution for smaller file size), re-edit it showing what bits you would remove and then once done, I'll happily take a look at what you would sacrifice from it and then put the results to my subscribers to see if they prefer the much more bullet point type review 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@AskGolfNut That's fair enough, if you want to keep it thorough? Maybe some chapter / bookmarks so the viewer has a bit more control over which parts to skip to?
Sorry I thought I had done that on this video, I'll edit it again to reflect the individual parts...i still would be very interested though in how you would segregate and or remove certain sections to consolidate the 24 minutes into less than 10 👍🏻 I've always struggled to get across everything within an in depth review discussing the performance and forgiveness differences (arguably the hallmark of my channel and which differs from all others) etc, so would be really very interested if you could show me what you would want to remove at what points so then I can put it to my subscribers and see what they think of the new format 👍🏻👍🏻
Km assuming this is the first time you have watched my channel. I believe you are the first person to mention this specifically in this video. There is a reason why I am vocalising my thoughts and it's no different to what all golfers do when they play and they know they have a swing change to do. I'm telling my viewers (and ones that have watched me for some time) that I need to work on my swing with certain parts of it getting out of sync since completing the reviews at multiple swing speeds etc. I understand that this is something you don't wish to hear so can only apologise for that, hopefully you got something from the content other than my swing update 👍🏻
Would it be possible to compare MP 245 to Srixon ZX5 mark II?
It's already on the list but if I get enough likes on the comment it could get pushed up the order 😊
@@AskGolfNut This intrigues me too.
Definitely interested in this compare
he's done it! and what a wonderful review, though i still cant decide if i should give up my zx5 for the 245s 😅
Yep you're right I did do it 😊 took a long time to collect all the data to get a conclusion but if you want to look on my video listing it's there to see 👍🏻👍🏻
Jay!!! Thanks for doing this compare since I had requested it. Very much appreciated.
I think you know me by now based on the comments I make on your channel and it should be no surprise to you that I’m going to focus on sound and feel 😉.
Btw your room acoustics are phenomenal.
In my opinion, the JPX 923 Hot Metal Pro takes the win for sound and feel. And not just against the 245 but against most of the irons border lining that Players Distance category.
The sound engineering on these sticks is one of the greatest achievements I’ve come across in club head design.
I’ve field tested pretty much every iron out there and the Jpx hm pros keep making their way into the bag.
If you then consider the other criteria like ball speed and forgiveness it’s a no brainer why these clubs should be at the top of the demo list for every golfer who wants to make the game easier.
The only change I would like to see for the next iteration of the JPX hm pro would be a slight change in the 4 and 5 irons so I don’t see the back of the club from the address position. Hence why I use a 245 3 iron at the top of my iron set.
All the very best. Cheers.
I was waiting for this comparison! I got fitted for a set of 4-PW 923 HMP with Project X LZ 6.5 last fall and I've been kicking myself a bit thinking I should have waited for the 245s. But seeing how little difference there is between the two mollifies me a bit, especially with the price difference.
Hi Jay, great video as always. Just tried the Pro 245, 243, 923 Forged, and the 923 HMP. I did not get on well with either of the 923s which surprised me though my clubhead speed is low to mid 80s so did not get enough peak height. I always seem to do better with a thinner soled club compared to the thicker soled clubs.They felt good though and did not mind the looks at all. I then tried the 243 and immediately my peak height was in a good window and my descent angle was consistently above 48° so on the right track. I moved into the 245 which I really liked the look of better than all the others. Well, it performed great, a bit longer than the 243 but what I really liked was the peak height and the descent angle which were slightly higher than the 243, win win. I am hoping to hit the 243 and 245 off grass very soon and see if the results are similar to the simulator, if they are and the 245 still out performs the 243 in height and descent angle I will go with the 245 but maybe weaken the loft 1° to keep the peak height and descent angle functional down to a 5 iron. Being in my mid sixties I have moved to graphite shafts and on this occasion I hit UST Recoil 95 shafts in both stiff and regular flex, the flex did not seem to make much difference in performance though the regular flex just seemed a bit smoother. Great job Jay!
Fantastic review as usual!
another great video - thanks again!!! - HMP are the real deal, along with the zx5 best value and performance golf clubs in the market by a country mile - especially if you custom order, so many options with no upcharge unlike Titleist.
Would love to see comparisons between 245 3i and Hybrid! Love the content
Great comparison video, Jay!
I would be very interested in a video showing how you go about shifting path back where you want it when it drifts left. Any drills you do, or just the process for you. I think it would appeal to quite a lot of folks. Just a thought!
Noted! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great review! As I expected but what I did not was the heel shots being better on 245. Distance is almost too much on HMP. It's why I keep my 919 HMP. They are not so jacked for loafs. You are blessed with that swing. Enjoy watching.
Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks very much for the kind feedback 👍🏻
Thanks for doing this review. I wanted to wait for this before I made my decision and from your comparison I definitely think it’s worth testing out both club heads at a fitting to compare some numbers but I’m leaning towards the 245’s. love the look and want the feel/feedback. Also as I improve I feel growing into the 245’s as a 15 hcp would be better in the long run
I agree, if you are aspiring to improve, I think also that the 245's will and could easily grow with you rather than possibly the HMP's loosing their luster as you grow out of them 👍
Great comparison. I’m going in for a Mizuno fitting this week. I’m looking at either JPX 923 Forged or MP 245.
I played JPX 923 HMP (off the rack set) this past year which I really enjoyed, but the face was way hotter than I’d like as it started to make gapping issues. Plus I missed the solid feel of forged scoring clubs. I can attest to the retained performance on toe misses as that is where I generally miss the face.
What did you end up going with? I had a fitting last week for the exact 2 clubs and ended up going with with Pro245's. They bent all 7 2 degrees upright and threw in a KBS Tour 120S shaft.
Although both felt great, I found the consistency and ball flight suited my swing a tad better than the 923 Forged.
Both clubs were lights out, and felt great....really can't go wrong with either or
Totally agree; a shootout between the 245, Z5 mkII and T200 would be super interesting. Going for a fitting soon so would be great to hear your in depth analysis and comparison 😀
Already working on the 245 vs ZX5, still haven't got access to the Titleist heads ☹
@@AskGolfNut Thanks mate, that's super. Ah, come on Titleist! No worries at all. Your support and insights are much appreciated 👍
Easy thumbs up...
The things I do for you...🙄😉
Good stuff, as always 👍
thanks for a fantastic review of both Mizunos. I'm considering the 245's but they are a little bit too strongly lofted and I fear the 5i will not get desired flight window and flight too low. Would you consider weakening the loft a degree? What would that do to overall distance, flight window, etc?
Love these videos! Would love to see 245 against apex standard 21
Jay, I am very happy with this video. I am about to invest in new irons. I had a set of JPX919 HMP and for the life of me I traded them in. I am going to invest in JPX923 HMP and hold onto them for some time. Your evaluations have helped me make up my mind. Many thanks.
Glad I could help! 👍
243 vs blueprint s needs done! 2 best irons I feel out for 2024
Just ordered the 245's. Very excited to be gaming Mizuno's for the first time and happy they were the ones that i hit best in testing. Once we get them fit for me I suspect we will be weakening the loft a degree. I was launching them but still had a tight dispersion and solid results on some mishits. 52 yrs, 13 handicap, high 80's swing speed w/ 7i for reference.
Question, surely you know what loft you'll need following the fitting you had to determine that the 245s were the best choice, or do you mean when you get the you'll have a follow up session where you will do a gap test on all your irons to see if there are any inconsistent distance gaps between irons so you'll be tweaking the individual irons to better gap them? 👍🏻
@AskGolfNut yes, we are going to do a gap session once they arrive.
Interesting video showing while the 923 Hot Metal Pros might be more forgiving overall, on heel strikes (my most common miss) the MP 245 is actually just as or more forgiving. As a 20 handicap with 80 mph 7 iron swing I’ve been scared away from the pros but it looks like if I’m ever going to make the jump to the Pro series, the 245s could be the ones. Hard decision when the HM Pros are cheaper.
Thank you Jay!!!! Morale of the story all though I aspire to play that sexy 245 I should probably stay in hot metal pro
HMP just gives that little extra help ball speed wise and forgiveness off certain parts of the face over the 245s. 👍🏻
Jay, great reviews on all of the new MP irons.
All the reviews I have seen focus on the 7 iron with the tungsten. Have you hit the 8-gap yet in the 245’s with the different head construction? I’m curious about the feel and “punchy” response off the face of the scoring irons.
Yes I've hit the 5, 7 and 9 iron and although you can feel a slight difference running into the GFF 1025e later on there aren't any weird distance gapping issues. The purpose of the change in metals and the offset of the change in tungsten is to stop any weird and wonderful distance gappings between the scoring irons 👍🏻
Good news. I had the Cobra Forged Tec a few years ago, and really struggled with trying to hit some controlled wedges. Everything came off hot and far. Sounds like the 245’s may have solved that issue.
I have hit both 243 and the blueprint s. The 243 has my gamer shaft so I love the feel but ping was damn near identical in numbers. In your opinion what do you think is the better choice. I trust your word. (I would put the LZ 6.5 in the ping if (my gamer)
Great video, do you do titleist comparisons? I have the hmp but would prefer a smaller clubhead and more loft like the mizuno pro or the titleist t200, 150 ot 100
Hi John, I don't have access tgo the Titleist heads otherwise I absolutely would be putting them up against all others. 👍🏻
When you say which is more forgiving, is that just for distance and spin, or dispersion across the width of the course as well?
Great video Jay. This video brings me to ask you for some advise please. I currently have 6 to gw in the 225 and 54 and 58 in s23 wedges. Considering the hot metal pro does not come with a gw wedge what would you suggest? Also as loft are stronger in the hm pro is there a possibility i could ditch the 6 iron? Will be getting a fitting tomorrow so any prior help would be useful
Raj, if you reach out to me on Instagram it'll be easier there to explain 👍🏻
Will you do a review of the new mizuno pro fli hi? Intrested in your thoughts about it
If and when they finally arrive 🙂
@@AskGolfNuti think they already have them at the PGATourSuperstore here in the US.
Don’t recall you ever reviewing any Titleist irons, what are your thoughts of the latest model ap2’s or t100?
It's not through lack of trying. Titleist are just a pain to get hold of to start the media conversation.... 🤷👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut that's a shame. I'd love to see a comparison between the 241 and 620mb.
Hey Jay...a new subscriber that loves your reviews. If you had to blend the 245 and 923 HM Pro from 4 all the way down to LW...what would be an ideal blend?
Hi Nathan, welcome. Blending depends a lot on speed and club delivery dynamics. Normally the blend would move into the more forgiving and helpful in launch club when ball dynamics would dictate the need for extra help. Commonly the blend would be around 6,7 and 8 iron 👍🏻
Also would look to potentially weaken the HM Pro by a degree to bring them more into line with the 245s 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNutthanks!!! Been to a few fittings and getting too many different views. It's quite exasperating and with the cost of these clubs, one must endeavour to get it right. I just re-watched this video for the umpteenth time for some inspiration 🙂 Appreciate your views!!!
Reach out on Instagram and if there is any help I can be then I'm happy to 👍🏻
@nathanvanrooyen3927 also if you have done a good in depth fitting then deciding on a blend is quite an easy thing, the numbers you deliver to make the decision will be quite transparent.
If you have the data I'd be happy to look at it to help 👍🏻
Do the 245 vs p790
How do you get the club data in FSX 2020 without the stickers on the club?
You can't, the B roll head videos are done before I hit them and film any content..... Not everyone wants stickers showing when displaying the golf club 😊👍🏻
$300 price differential between forged and cast? I’ll go with the JPX pro.
Absolutely it's a consideration for all golfers, and it's not a small number. Hopefully golfers are building a set which lasts them many years so that any difference in price is offset over a long time period, but yes the difference is definitely a factor which many have to consider 👍🏻
Thanks for this one. I got the 923HMP december 2022, but find the 245 much prettier. And filled with tech, you start wondering if they are the better choice...
The forgiveness on the HMPs you mesasure is quite cosistent with my experience. E.g. when I feel that I have hit a terrible toe shot, and immedietaly complain, I get some raised eyebrows from my buddies, as it is hardly possible to see a reduced performance, and it usually ends up quite well... 😅
As I'm actually normally toe biased with my mishits, otherwise low middle, the HMP's seem to be the better choice than the 245.
In the hypothetical, that I could choose either Today, the price diff. would still allow me to get HMP's, and then add a brand new set of three S23 or T24 wedges to replace old worn wedges, and still have money to spare!! 😮 That would scoring wise more than make up for 245's slight performance advantage on heel strikes. As a matter of fact, I actually did get a pair of S23's in the same spec/shaft as my HMP's, and I love them. 😎
All in all, this review makes me (stay) happy with my HMP's - even though the 245's are sooo pretty.
It definitely is a consideration that many people will have to weigh in on their decision. Justifying the substantial costs of the 245s is more or less difficult depending on your circumstances. I am though more and more impressed with the 245s performance considering they go up against something like the HMP which should have a clear advantage.
Price again must be considered though 👍🏻
Excellent review. I was looking forward this review. I prefer 245. I wish I had fast swing speed. 😢
Could definitely work on speed related training to dial up your baseline numbers. Even a relatively small gain in club head speed across the entire bag can make a substantial difference to playing yardages on the course 👍🏻
Hot Metal’s nickel helps quiet it down; nice addition..245’s the clear winner for me..Feel…
Is it true that butter-like feel will only start at the forged model and up? and all hot metals are clicky feel?
It is true for the purest..... However the JPX923 cast models are among the very softest sounding Game Improvement irons on the market. This has no bearing whatsoever on their performance, its just how one company versus another choose to design their clubs 👍
I had the 225 pros and much prefer the 923 HM pro. They feel better than the 225 did to me as well.
Have you tried the new 245's since the 225 vs 923Pro test????
245 is definitely the looker and a more realistic loft for a decent player. Needs another high profile tour player to voluntarily use Mizuno and open buyers eyes. Once you play Mizuno you never leave 👍🏻
I'll let Mizuno know they need to spend, some more money on the Tour department..... I'm sure they'll listen 🤣🤣 do be fair they are doing a great job investing in the lower Tours trying to get the players earlier as they make their way through to the main Tours. 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut It was big news when Kaepka used them unsponsored.
Shame he didn't continue using them..... But then someone shoved loads of money at him 😊
The 245 keeps showing well in these tests. Being able to play a forged head with copper vs a cast head, while still keeping that much forgiveness is outstanding.
May not be video worthy, but I think a good comparison would be between the mid tier forgings. Zx7 Mkii vs 243.
It’s hard to get any softer than the hot metal pro. It’s so pure.
@@MrMatthew262It’s soft but it’s cast and harder then the forged MP line…
@@saintcruzin I’ve hit both and think the HMP is softer. The other line feels more dense and has more feedback though
@@MrMatthew262 I guess it’s a matter of opinion. I actually traded my HMP’s for the 225’s last year because of the softer, better feel of the MP’s..
@@saintcruzinyou and I had an exchange about fell in irons and what not…I think and I also think the hmp’s sound softer. But the 225’s feel more buttery. Go figure.
However, on the note of forged vs cast it shocks me very that the pros like Jordan spieth and others say they can’t feel the difference in their Vokey wedges being cast. What’s up with that?
HMP is a beast that’s for sure 👍
Do you think the 245 is significantly more workable, including trajectory (easier to flight), than the HMP?
Vertically wise they are basically identialcal, the baseline height may well go to HMP but the amounts you can alter flight between them very much so depend on the golfers ability to control angle of attack and dynamic loft. When it comes to workability of curvature, again both clubs given the same or very similar club face to path will tilt the axis of the ball the same amount, what more workable in these two would mean that due to the 245s head CG being closer to the shaft axis CG due to its smaller head, the 245s wont be as stable to that of the larger headed HMP 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut I’m trying to find a reason to justify ditching my newish HMP for the 245 and you’re not helping lol
The price may help fix that 😁
But if you are looking to move into the MP (Miz Pro) range then absolutely the new 245s are a great blend of Forgiveness and performance with the introduction to the Mizuno feel that only improves as you progress 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut they seem like a great iron but I think if I want to have the most control and be able to manipulate the ball, while still having some tech, I’d probably be better off going with the 223/243. My only concern with that line is the 8-GW seems more of a muscle back.
@@MrMatthew262keep them! And buy the 245’s. Once you are comfortable with the 245 then sell the HMP’s😂
If they combined the characteristics of these 245/923, I'd buy.
The JPX925's are out fairly soon :-)
Jay can we have one last 245 test v Pxg 317T irons
They'll no doubt be more 245 vs..... But don't have access to PXG, again much like Titleist in that there seems to be a solid brick wall of non communication 🤷👍🏻
0317T are worlds apart from 245.
They are a more direct comparison to 243 or the Titleist T150.
Pxg might claim that they are a Players Distance club but in my experience in field testing they are nothing like a Players Distance.
If you don’t hit them right in the middle you pay a huge penalty. On the very positive side when you hit the 0317t right in the middle it almost feels like your club is made out of rubber. Just a weird but great sensation at least for me who loves buttery soft.
A large amount of offset but not much 😂
Compared to my blades they look as though they are a golf club behind 🤣🤣
225 to 245? Not sure it’s worth the change
Take a look at the below and let me know what you think 👍🏻
th-cam.com/video/K_qw1_KX15A/w-d-xo.html
Massive fan of the channel Jay, but seeing the video length of 24 mins puts me off viewing 😢. Head to head like this doesn't need to be more than 10 mins.
Wowsers, I can't imagine how I am going to get all the information I put into an in depth comparison into a 10 minutes or less video....
I would be really interested if you could download my video (you can download in 720p resolution for smaller file size), re-edit it showing what bits you would remove and then once done, I'll happily take a look at what you would sacrifice from it and then put the results to my subscribers to see if they prefer the much more bullet point type review 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@AskGolfNut That's fair enough, if you want to keep it thorough? Maybe some chapter / bookmarks so the viewer has a bit more control over which parts to skip to?
Sorry I thought I had done that on this video, I'll edit it again to reflect the individual parts...i still would be very interested though in how you would segregate and or remove certain sections to consolidate the 24 minutes into less than 10 👍🏻
I've always struggled to get across everything within an in depth review discussing the performance and forgiveness differences (arguably the hallmark of my channel and which differs from all others) etc, so would be really very interested if you could show me what you would want to remove at what points so then I can put it to my subscribers and see what they think of the new format 👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Was perfect for me :) Great work!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻
Please stop talking about yourself it’s so annoying to hear you constantly mention your swing
Km assuming this is the first time you have watched my channel. I believe you are the first person to mention this specifically in this video. There is a reason why I am vocalising my thoughts and it's no different to what all golfers do when they play and they know they have a swing change to do.
I'm telling my viewers (and ones that have watched me for some time) that I need to work on my swing with certain parts of it getting out of sync since completing the reviews at multiple swing speeds etc.
I understand that this is something you don't wish to hear so can only apologise for that, hopefully you got something from the content other than my swing update 👍🏻