Love the 225's, hit the 245's and no need to change. The245's were slightly more forgiving on thin shots and did spin more and was shorter. As a high ball, high spin player the 225's are actually better for me. They are both excellent.
Eye opening review. I was ready to “upgrade” from 225 to 245 but i need distance first since i already got the ball high. Guess no need to upgrade this year. Fantastic.
I just upgraded last year from the MX 200s there was not much difference. I’m longer with the 225 but the mx200 was softer feeling. I don’t see myself upgrading for another 10 years. I’m like an 10 handicap and golf almost every other day. The only people upgrading every year are pros or people who are trying to purchase a score rather than paying for a lesson. IMOP.
I was really looking forward to this comparison and really surprised by the results. With 50% more tungsten in the mid to long irons, I'd expect slight higher launch with a bit less spin. I guess at the end of the day, it really depends on the player because your results will vary.
What ball was used? I play the 225 and am a pretty high ball hitter. With the right ball and 1 degree weak I am not sure the upgrade would be worth it.
The 9 to gap seemed more blade like in the 245. Seemed like big improvements there. Also, overall it appears the forgiveness side is significantly better in the 245. Especially on low hits.
I was just fitted and upgraded to the Mizuno Pro 245 with x flex shafts... My previous irons were hand me down 1998 Ping i3+ with reg flex shafts... So the difference in the technology was unbelievable. I mean there was NO WAY you could NOT feel, see, experience the difference. I couldn't imagine a scenario where there would be a NEED to jump from a couple of years of generation difference. The gain must be so minimal.
Closer to P790 in my opinion. Similar loft and much closer in size. The P770 is built with essentially the same materials as the P790 but with the size of a smaller player iron.
I tested out the 225's because I knew there would be a price drop and tried with a few different shafts with the 7 iron and spin was under 5000 with every single one, couldn't believe it.
So how does the 3 irons that Mizuno has released for 2024 line up with golfer's handicap. I thought the 245 was for higher handicap golfers, however, you are saying a player's club. I am a 19 handicap which is due to an unpracticed short game where I use most of my shots around the green. I hit the ball fairly straight with a slight draw. I just do not hit the ball very far. My current iron is the 2008 Big Bertha irons with regular flex true temper shafts. I hit my 7 iron about 140 yds carry. I hit the ball quite high. My stats, I am 66 years old, lower swing speed. Last season I when into a hitting bay and tried a Callaway Maverik 7 iron with a senior flex graphite shaft and carry distance was 155 yds total 160 to 165 yards. The feel was okay, but I have hit the Mizuno 225, and the feel was much better. So, with all that information about me, should I try the 245 or the 225 for my abilities. Love your channel.
The 245 is players distance, still fairly small club. Would be much smaller than a Big Bertha. Not that you cant play the 245, but the Mizuno JPX 923 Hot Metal range is more aimed at the mid to high handicap.
Hopefully one of the 2nd Swing guys chime in here, but I'd venture to guess is they'll suggest coming in for a fitting. The Pro 225/245 is in the "player's distance" category which suggests a relatively consistent ball striker looking for more distance vs. a standard players iron. Irons in this category have some forgiviness built in them, but nothing compare to a game improvement club like the Big Bertha or Mavrik. The Mizuno JPX line would fit in that category for you. It's not fair to categorize any iron into a "handicap range' because not all handicaps strike the ball the same. You could very likely have a mid-handicapper hit irons more consistent than a single digit, but then they'd likely have other shortcomings in their game (driving, putting, short game, course management, etc) which give them that higher handicap. It would be worth getting with a fitter to figure out the correct shaft/head combo to give you the best launch conditions and landing angle for your swing.
Hi have the 225’s as well as the jpx 923 hm pro. The 225 are very good. The jpx 923 pro are fantastic. They have unmatched forgiveness and feel incredible are they aren’t even forged. They are my 2 favorite sets of irons and I have tried or owned irons in all top brands.
Too me, it feels like Mizuno knows that guys that really need game improvement irons, will over pay for clubs that don’t offer much improvement, but they look like you’re a baller when the other members see them in your bag. They’re not stupid. They’ll always figure out a way to make something out of nothing every year and convince you that it’s a game changing invention. None of this is something only done by Mizuno of course! It’s just how marketing works in general.
“But there isnt a loss” Well , there isnt a gain either…. Improvement of 1 damn degree of decent angle….lost 4 yards, and isnt a shred more forgiving The 225 looks like a hell of a buy on sale
I do not understand the hype you are selling on the new iron that has lower ball speed but more spin. I mean, take the old model and one degree of loft and there you are. So what ?
.6 mph, and 3.8 yards is negligible, but ~430 more rpm, and consistency, is very significant in flight, control, and stopping on a green. If you're solely looking for distance, you should be looking at hot metal irons, not these.
You’re neglecting the fact that the loft will also affect height and make it more difficult to keep it low. Nice to have the spin and keep the flight. Personally this is a good option for me because I don’t need distance. I appreciate this club not having as much a disparity in distance.
@@xBlade173What are you talking about? His 48* landing angle with the 225 was going to hold any green. The extra 1* he got from the 245 (via the increased spin) is negligible, but comes at the cost of 3.8 yards (just shy of 12 feet) of carry-which *isn’t* negligible.
You two make a good team of presenters. I enjoy the banter and quality of the reviews.
Thank you for watching!!
Nice, I'd love to see the 245 vs p790. Great reviews. Thanks.
Great test...what shaft were you using in the 245 7 iron??? Sound like the clubs for most golfer in mid to low handicap range...Thanks Guys...
I hit it to the moon! So I'm loving my 225's and now they are considered classics! 😅
LOL love it!
Love the 225's, hit the 245's and no need to change. The245's were slightly more forgiving on thin shots and did spin more and was shorter. As a high ball, high spin player the 225's are actually better for me. They are both excellent.
do you have the issue of the occasional flyer lie with your 225s?
Eye opening review. I was ready to “upgrade” from 225 to 245 but i need distance first since i already got the ball high. Guess no need to upgrade this year. Fantastic.
You shouldn't need to upgrade for a decade, unless you vastly improve your game over the next few years. 225s are good from a ~5-15 hdc
I have 225 and have never loved a club more, it’s gonna be awhile before I think of getting something else
I just upgraded last year from the MX 200s there was not much difference. I’m longer with the 225 but the mx200 was softer feeling. I don’t see myself upgrading for another 10 years. I’m like an 10 handicap and golf almost every other day. The only people upgrading every year are pros or people who are trying to purchase a score rather than paying for a lesson. IMOP.
You’d be wasting your time upgrading every year. 10 is fine.
Can you guys compare the new Mizuno 245 to the p770?
Can you compare Mizuno 245, Mizuno 241 and OnOff full blade iron?
I was really looking forward to this comparison and really surprised by the results. With 50% more tungsten in the mid to long irons, I'd expect slight higher launch with a bit less spin. I guess at the end of the day, it really depends on the player because your results will vary.
Considering this was just a 7 iron, the spin was a big improvement vs the old model.
What ball was used? I play the 225 and am a pretty high ball hitter. With the right ball and 1 degree weak I am not sure the upgrade would be worth it.
How do the 245 numbers compare to Kevin’s data with the Zx5 mk ii in the past? Thanks!!
Wonder if these would work for someone with 80 mph 7 iron speed
The 9 to gap seemed more blade like in the 245. Seemed like big improvements there. Also, overall it appears the forgiveness side is significantly better in the 245. Especially on low hits.
I was just fitted and upgraded to the Mizuno Pro 245 with x flex shafts... My previous irons were hand me down 1998 Ping i3+ with reg flex shafts... So the difference in the technology was unbelievable. I mean there was NO WAY you could NOT feel, see, experience the difference. I couldn't imagine a scenario where there would be a NEED to jump from a couple of years of generation difference. The gain must be so minimal.
How much more distance are you seeing in lets say 9i and 6i?
I’m curious if the 245 irons have jumpers like you see in most hollow body irons. Trampoline effect…
There is a little of that in any hollow body iron, but it's mitigated quite a bit with the 245 model
Were these tested with the same shafts?
Yes
Are the 245's more in the p790 or p770 category?
Closer to P790 in my opinion. Similar loft and much closer in size. The P770 is built with essentially the same materials as the P790 but with the size of a smaller player iron.
For a 7 iron (225)...that spin is scary low (even with a 45 descent angle). I'm sure if you had a shaft change, that would help of course.
I tested out the 225's because I knew there would be a price drop and tried with a few different shafts with the 7 iron and spin was under 5000 with every single one, couldn't believe it.
Head is smaller. Weight is more centered in face on 245. The 243 got the biggest face lift out of the whole line up.
So how does the 3 irons that Mizuno has released for 2024 line up with golfer's handicap. I thought the 245 was for higher handicap golfers, however, you are saying a player's club. I am a 19 handicap which is due to an unpracticed short game where I use most of my shots around the green. I hit the ball fairly straight with a slight draw. I just do not hit the ball very far. My current iron is the 2008 Big Bertha irons with regular flex true temper shafts. I hit my 7 iron about 140 yds carry. I hit the ball quite high. My stats, I am 66 years old, lower swing speed. Last season I when into a hitting bay and tried a Callaway Maverik 7 iron with a senior flex graphite shaft and carry distance was 155 yds total 160 to 165 yards. The feel was okay, but I have hit the Mizuno 225, and the feel was much better. So, with all that information about me, should I try the 245 or the 225 for my abilities. Love your channel.
The 245 is players distance, still fairly small club. Would be much smaller than a Big Bertha. Not that you cant play the 245, but the Mizuno JPX 923 Hot Metal range is more aimed at the mid to high handicap.
Hopefully one of the 2nd Swing guys chime in here, but I'd venture to guess is they'll suggest coming in for a fitting. The Pro 225/245 is in the "player's distance" category which suggests a relatively consistent ball striker looking for more distance vs. a standard players iron. Irons in this category have some forgiviness built in them, but nothing compare to a game improvement club like the Big Bertha or Mavrik. The Mizuno JPX line would fit in that category for you.
It's not fair to categorize any iron into a "handicap range' because not all handicaps strike the ball the same. You could very likely have a mid-handicapper hit irons more consistent than a single digit, but then they'd likely have other shortcomings in their game (driving, putting, short game, course management, etc) which give them that higher handicap.
It would be worth getting with a fitter to figure out the correct shaft/head combo to give you the best launch conditions and landing angle for your swing.
Hi have the 225’s as well as the jpx 923 hm pro.
The 225 are very good. The jpx 923 pro are fantastic. They have unmatched forgiveness and feel incredible are they aren’t even forged.
They are my 2 favorite sets of irons and I have tried or owned irons in all top brands.
@wkndwarrior4733 That is an excellent idea. I have nit hit the Hot Metal irons. In my comment I miss typed. It should be a 7 iron. Thanks for the ides
@atxrich Thank for the insight. Unfortunately, I don't have a 2nd Swing near me. I do have a local golf store. I will go talk with them
At this point golf companies are reinventing the wheel.
Too me, it feels like Mizuno knows that guys that really need game improvement irons, will over pay for clubs that don’t offer much improvement, but they look like you’re a baller when the other members see them in your bag. They’re not stupid. They’ll always figure out a way to make something out of nothing every year and convince you that it’s a game changing invention.
None of this is something only done by Mizuno of course! It’s just how marketing works in general.
Even comes with a higher price tag.
“But there isnt a loss”
Well , there isnt a gain either…. Improvement of 1 damn degree of decent angle….lost 4 yards, and isnt a shred more forgiving
The 225 looks like a hell of a buy on sale
That was super awkward when he was comparing the clubs and just looking down and not saying anything very odd
I do not understand the hype you are selling on the new iron that has lower ball speed but more spin. I mean, take the old model and one degree of loft and there you are. So what ?
.6 mph, and 3.8 yards is negligible, but ~430 more rpm, and consistency, is very significant in flight, control, and stopping on a green. If you're solely looking for distance, you should be looking at hot metal irons, not these.
You’re neglecting the fact that the loft will also affect height and make it more difficult to keep it low. Nice to have the spin and keep the flight. Personally this is a good option for me because I don’t need distance. I appreciate this club not having as much a disparity in distance.
I got both bought 2 weeks apart. The 245 is superior in all regards on my hands. Do you own both?
Trying to hold greens, the new is better
@@xBlade173there's not a 400 rpm difference in spin. You need to look at the standard deviation bands, they come close to overlaping
0 reason to upgrade from the 225s. 225s are plenty good to ride into the sunset for the next 10 years
The 225s are fantastic for sure!
I played my MP-60's since like 08. 225's gonna be there for the next 10 years.
Looks like a 1 % difference to me
This is a very poorly disguised sales pitch to sell the newer model.
Slower, shorter, and spins more. Why, Mizuno?
Spin matters and 3.8 yards is fairly insignificant if it means you can hold a green
@@xBlade173What are you talking about? His 48* landing angle with the 225 was going to hold any green. The extra 1* he got from the 245 (via the increased spin) is negligible, but comes at the cost of 3.8 yards (just shy of 12 feet) of carry-which *isn’t* negligible.