Argument could go both ways: 1. Older players played fewer teams, meaning the pitching wasn't as thin. Every player in the league was good to great, you're not getting guys who should be in the minors like half the teams in baseball seem to have now (Rockies perfect example). 2. Bigger ballparks, helped pitching, hurt batters. 3. Injuries harder to repair; if you got hurt you were in a deep hole. 4. The most athletic Americans at that time played baseball, whereas nowadays it's football or basketball mostly.
By 1920, pitching started to get a lot worse. Men weren't playing baseball, they were making their money elsewhere. So the pool of good pitchers was depleted.
@@PopOutPaulie With less than half the teams there are now, if you weren't, you were gone. Except for maybe some of your Cubs ^ who you're prolly right about 💀
@@prosandconsfilms6933 So if that truly was the case why did the same teams win over and over and over? Wouldn't it be like today where it's a variety of different teams winning it? There's no way you can sell me that all the players were good to great but yet 1 guy was able to win 10 rings with one team
Why ask this question isn't it obvious??? Babe Ruth was bigger than baseball!!!!! HE WAS AN ICON,A LEGEND,A PLAYER WHO DID WHAT TEAMS WEREN'T ABLE TO DO..HE WAS SO FAR AHEAD OF HIS PEERS ITS LAUGHABLE...No one will be making movies about Aaron Judge,as great as he is
Alex helped in the Post Season in 2009 but before that he was terrible and I call him A-ROID because he used them and got caught.! Is what Pete Rose did worse.! Not in my book 📖 because the whole Astro’s Team was involved in that 2017 signals camera scam and nothing happened to them.! Especially Cora who was the mastermind behind it and bating coach. No one really got tainted in that DEBACLE.!
Judge hasn’t exceeded the best forever names but he’s edging closer year to year. The all time great he’d probably be ranked close to around is Roger maris cause after that is when you get to the 5 legends as well as Jeter and Mo
On the other side, in the 1920s and 1930s, most of the best athletes played baseball. You didn’t have as many great athletes diverted to other sports as today. Baseball was THE professional sport.
Yea but also the integration aspect does still count for some, and like Don said even once the barrier was lifted it would still take years for the intended affects of it to happen. Dont also discount the league and playoff format of the time playing a factor
@@zachstolpa6521 this is true. That’s why it’s not clear that the dominant old guys were better, either. Don seems to think the current guys are just better. I’m just disagreeing with that. For example, the old guys didn’t play night games, true. But they played hot day games. They slept in hot hotels and rode hot, long train rides. How does that weigh in? They used the same baseball until it was fouled out; they didn’t get a fresh ball as soon as a pitch hit the dirt. They didn’t condition themselves or follow off season regimens. Does that make them better than today? No. But it’s all disadvantages vs today. Don is ignoring all those things.
Yankee standard has been set with statistics as well as championships. As good as Judge is he can't supplant anyone who has the statistics AND the championships.
They always say he didn’t do this or that, but never mention modern medical help or travel on trains etc. Players years ago played with untreatable injuries for years.
Did MK really expect Jeter or Posada to say "No Alex doesn't deserve to be out there in monument park" Everyone knows Derek doesnt say shit to make headlines but yet you want him to say something that would literally dominant the sports news cycle for the next 2 weeks 😂😂😂 a wiseman once said "Michael come back to me baby"
Judge is putting up video game numbers , just mind boggling stats . So if he has let’s say he stays healthy and puts up 4-5 more years of 50-60+ HR and all the o the numbers that come with it , well, you’d have to put him on the Mt Rushmore , and yes even without a WS ring , yes that part no WS won’t sit right with many but he’s putting up unbelievable stats , I don’t know who would get bumped from the Yankees Mt Rushmore , maybe they’ll just have to add another spot if Judge keeps this up
no you don't have to put judge there. Ruth put up video game numbers and he has the rings, and revolutionized the game. thats the problem. you already have a "better" Judge on the mt rushmore already.
@@jjcardillo I never mentioned Ruth he’s the greatest player of all time so I have no idea what you are talking about , and yes if Judge puts up these video game numbers for another 5 years he’d have to be on that Mt Rushmore
@@seangagnonProvidenceR.I. my point is that its pretty hard to be 2nd best in team history in one aspect of the game, and still be on the mr rushmore. the other players have those great individual accolades and they have rings and/or iconic plays. What does judge have that's iconic. 62 hrs.... well babe did that... and he did it in an era where you didnt hit hrs... he had more hrs than any other team. if judge goes in... who are you taking off. Mantle, ruth, dimaggio, gehrig, yogi....rivera - the best ever at his position, all have cases to be there over judge..
@@jjcardillo I never said now I said if he does this for another 5 years of this , and one aspect , huh? Not just HR , RS , AVG , BB , OPS , those categories count , right. And you say why have a second best at one thing I don’t get your point what are saying HR ? Dave Kingman could hit HR but he sucked , Judge does everything and plays stellar defense . Let’s just go by your premise ok , Ruth is # 1 and Gehrig had a ton of years similar to Ruth’s go look them up , so because he was a similar player to Ruth he doesn’t get a spot ?
I like ARod but I would keep him off simply because of his playoff performances from 04-07. In 09 he was great, but I’m not convinced that absolves him of 4 consecutive playoff duds
I'll say this because the Greatest argument will always be contentious: The Yankees dominance didn't die because of the draft, they lost power because they refused to (and continue to refuse to) expand their search for prospects and stars overseas. Recently it's been Japan/Korea in the 21st century. Hal/Cash had the world of chance to use their legacy to get more stars. But they got Hideki, Chien Ming, and Tanaka (by pure luck for Masa) and that's it. Ever since Masa left they haven't gotten a single big star from Asia. They missed out on signing Ohtani, Yamamoto, and Jung-hoo Lee.
Ohtani never wanted to play in the east, and it looks like Yamamoto felt the same. There's nothing we can do about that. And it was either Soto or Lee. We didn't have room for both with Jasson ready next year. I think we made the right choice.
first the excuse of Ruth only playing against white players is ridiculous. You can’t punish Ruth on his time period. Second, those white players he played against were hall of famers too. I’m not a Yankees fan but I hate people using that bullshit ass excuse of race. I’m black and even I know he is the greatest MLB player to play. Lifetime batting average of .343, 714 homers, 7 World Series titles, come on man , Ruth earned that shit. He had to pick up a bat like every man that has ever played baseball and did things no baseball player has yet to accomplish. He is truly the only baseball player who’s number match his accomplishments. Ya Hank hit 755 homers but he won only 1 World Series. Mays hit 660 homers only 1 world series’s. There are a lot of baseball players with amazing stats but only one has the accomplishments to match and that’s Ruth . Bro a lifetime batting average of .343 that’s unreal. These dudes barely can hit .320 for one season, .343 for a lifetime average !!!!!! That’s crazy. Stop trying to discredit that man, if they better than Ruth, prove it like he did.
the mount rushmore.. should include Mo, no question, he was the greatest pitcher ever... it is insane what he did and all records are meant to be broken but... Mo will hold his status for a long time maybe all time.
💯 true. Derek is keeping score everyday of life. 😂 kinda lame to be honest. Just enjoy the ride and have fun. You already had a legendary career. Come on ease up already.
it say its equally hard to win... given the regular season meant something and you needed to be the top team to get to the WS. That being said, with lack of free agency/draft, etc.... once you won, it was very easy to stay on top i.e. canadiens, celtics yankees.
Means he never had to deal with day games after night games, less travel, less strain than players later on who had to travel across the country to play their schedules
for Hall of Fame. Yes... but not for Yankee mt rushmore. It's a team game, absolutely, but the reason you play the game is not to put up stats, its to win.
Brett Gardner has a ring, does that put him at the first table? Of course not. Judge is on pace to belonging at that first table but his career isn't over yet so we'll see. Also, the Nationals outfield males the Yankees short porch look like a little league field
and to michael's point.. if judge has the insane numbers and never wins a WS ? and has a complete career (unlike Mattingly) does he deserve that "first table" ... yes, I think he does. ARod is an asshole, who cares what that cheater did. He ruined his legacy, period, and has never come clean, I understand why (contractually) but he is a joke, and everyone knows it.. it sucks, Arod is an all time great but fucked himself with the steroids and the response... when he can Arod should come clean for real... he never will imo... that is why I can't respect him. I hope I am wrong, but I am probably not.
So… who were the 3? 😂
Hard to say between Ruth, Gehrig, dimmagio, Mantle, and Berra
@@zachstolpa6521 4 of these 5 never knew A-Rod...to comment on him...
Talk about a cliffhanger lol
Naaaa who were the 3😂😂😂
Ruth, Gehrig and DiMaggio
These are the conversations that need to be had...
Argument could go both ways:
1. Older players played fewer teams, meaning the pitching wasn't as thin. Every player in the league was good to great, you're not getting guys who should be in the minors like half the teams in baseball seem to have now (Rockies perfect example).
2. Bigger ballparks, helped pitching, hurt batters.
3. Injuries harder to repair; if you got hurt you were in a deep hole.
4. The most athletic Americans at that time played baseball, whereas nowadays it's football or basketball mostly.
By 1920, pitching started to get a lot worse. Men weren't playing baseball, they were making their money elsewhere. So the pool of good pitchers was depleted.
Every player in the league was good to great 😂😂😂 You can't be serious bro
@@PopOutPaulie With less than half the teams there are now, if you weren't, you were gone.
Except for maybe some of your Cubs ^ who you're prolly right about 💀
@@prosandconsfilms6933 So if that truly was the case why did the same teams win over and over and over? Wouldn't it be like today where it's a variety of different teams winning it? There's no way you can sell me that all the players were good to great but yet 1 guy was able to win 10 rings with one team
Why ask this question isn't it obvious??? Babe Ruth was bigger than baseball!!!!! HE WAS AN ICON,A LEGEND,A PLAYER WHO DID WHAT TEAMS WEREN'T ABLE TO DO..HE WAS SO FAR AHEAD OF HIS PEERS ITS LAUGHABLE...No one will be making movies about Aaron Judge,as great as he is
Jeter and Posada declining to answer is a polite way of not saying he (A-Rod) doesn't belong...b/c clearly they do not think he belongs....
But he does belong
JETER is the MANNNNN
I was always told by my grandfather who saw all these guys play Ruth Gehrig DiMaggio Mantle Yogi
Alex helped in the Post Season in 2009 but before that he was terrible and I call him A-ROID because he used them and got caught.! Is what Pete Rose did worse.! Not in my book 📖 because the whole Astro’s Team was involved in that 2017 signals camera scam and nothing happened to them.! Especially Cora who was the mastermind behind it and bating coach. No one really got tainted in that DEBACLE.!
Judge hasn’t exceeded the best forever names but he’s edging closer year to year. The all time great he’d probably be ranked close to around is Roger maris cause after that is when you get to the 5 legends as well as Jeter and Mo
On the other side, in the 1920s and 1930s, most of the best athletes played baseball. You didn’t have as many great athletes diverted to other sports as today. Baseball was THE professional sport.
Yea but also the integration aspect does still count for some, and like Don said even once the barrier was lifted it would still take years for the intended affects of it to happen. Dont also discount the league and playoff format of the time playing a factor
@@zachstolpa6521 this is true. That’s why it’s not clear that the dominant old guys were better, either. Don seems to think the current guys are just better. I’m just disagreeing with that.
For example, the old guys didn’t play night games, true. But they played hot day games. They slept in hot hotels and rode hot, long train rides. How does that weigh in? They used the same baseball until it was fouled out; they didn’t get a fresh ball as soon as a pitch hit the dirt. They didn’t condition themselves or follow off season regimens. Does that make them better than today? No. But it’s all disadvantages vs today. Don is ignoring all those things.
Yankee standard has been set with statistics as well as championships. As good as Judge is he can't supplant anyone who has the statistics AND the championships.
No way, I needa make a call
How do you cut off the video like that!?
They always say he didn’t do this or that, but never mention modern medical help or travel on trains etc. Players years ago played with untreatable injuries for years.
Ruth also played against regular people that didn't deserve to play MLB.
Ruth gehrig mantle dimaggio big gap after these four
Did MK really expect Jeter or Posada to say "No Alex doesn't deserve to be out there in monument park" Everyone knows Derek doesnt say shit to make headlines but yet you want him to say something that would literally dominant the sports news cycle for the next 2 weeks 😂😂😂 a wiseman once said "Michael come back to me baby"
Where’s Reggie????
Judge is putting up video game numbers , just mind boggling stats . So if he has let’s say he stays healthy and puts up 4-5 more years of 50-60+ HR and all the o the numbers that come with it , well, you’d have to put him on the Mt Rushmore , and yes even without a WS ring , yes that part no WS won’t sit right with many but he’s putting up unbelievable stats , I don’t know who would get bumped from the Yankees Mt Rushmore , maybe they’ll just have to add another spot if Judge keeps this up
no you don't have to put judge there. Ruth put up video game numbers and he has the rings, and revolutionized the game. thats the problem. you already have a "better" Judge on the mt rushmore already.
@@jjcardillo I never mentioned Ruth he’s the greatest player of all time so I have no idea what you are talking about , and yes if Judge puts up these video game numbers for another 5 years he’d have to be on that Mt Rushmore
@@jjcardillo They have a better “Judge” that makes no sense , if Judge keeps hitting 50-60+ HR and 130+ RBI for another five years how couldn’t you
@@seangagnonProvidenceR.I. my point is that its pretty hard to be 2nd best in team history in one aspect of the game, and still be on the mr rushmore. the other players have those great individual accolades and they have rings and/or iconic plays. What does judge have that's iconic. 62 hrs.... well babe did that... and he did it in an era where you didnt hit hrs... he had more hrs than any other team. if judge goes in... who are you taking off. Mantle, ruth, dimaggio, gehrig, yogi....rivera - the best ever at his position, all have cases to be there over judge..
@@jjcardillo I never said now I said if he does this for another 5 years of this , and one aspect , huh? Not just HR , RS , AVG , BB , OPS , those categories count , right. And you say why have a second best at one thing I don’t get your point what are saying HR ? Dave Kingman could hit HR but he sucked , Judge does everything and plays stellar defense . Let’s just go by your premise ok , Ruth is # 1 and Gehrig had a ton of years similar to Ruth’s go look them up , so because he was a similar player to Ruth he doesn’t get a spot ?
Yankees Mt
Rushmore is untouchable: Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle.
I like ARod but I would keep him off simply because of his playoff performances from 04-07. In 09 he was great, but I’m not convinced that absolves him of 4 consecutive playoff duds
By that logic that means trout shouldn't belong in the HOF
A rod doesn’t belong.
It's a coin flip between Luis Sojo and Enrique Wilson.
@@suburbancatholic5010 Alvaro Espinoza honorable mention
What about Horace Clark?
@@Bill-i2p Great call ,kinda reminded me of another great Mario Mendoza
I'll say this because the Greatest argument will always be contentious:
The Yankees dominance didn't die because of the draft, they lost power because they refused to (and continue to refuse to) expand their search for prospects and stars overseas. Recently it's been Japan/Korea in the 21st century. Hal/Cash had the world of chance to use their legacy to get more stars. But they got Hideki, Chien Ming, and Tanaka (by pure luck for Masa) and that's it. Ever since Masa left they haven't gotten a single big star from Asia. They missed out on signing Ohtani, Yamamoto, and Jung-hoo Lee.
Ohtani never wanted to play in the east, and it looks like Yamamoto felt the same. There's nothing we can do about that. And it was either Soto or Lee. We didn't have room for both with Jasson ready next year. I think we made the right choice.
first the excuse of Ruth only playing against white players is ridiculous. You can’t punish Ruth on his time period. Second, those white players he played against were hall of famers too. I’m not a Yankees fan but I hate people using that bullshit ass excuse of race. I’m black and even I know he is the greatest MLB player to play. Lifetime batting average of .343, 714 homers, 7 World Series titles, come on man , Ruth earned that shit. He had to pick up a bat like every man that has ever played baseball and did things no baseball player has yet to accomplish. He is truly the only baseball player who’s number match his accomplishments. Ya Hank hit 755 homers but he won only 1 World Series. Mays hit 660 homers only 1 world series’s. There are a lot of baseball players with amazing stats but only one has the accomplishments to match and that’s Ruth . Bro a lifetime batting average of .343 that’s unreal. These dudes barely can hit .320 for one season, .343 for a lifetime average !!!!!! That’s crazy. Stop trying to discredit that man, if they better than Ruth, prove it like he did.
@@realmenstandup8944 plus he did I all those things while injecting hot dogs, beer, and 4 or 5 cigars a day not roads lol.
I WANT TO KNOW THE 3!!!
I would want it to be Bernie, Jeter, Arod, but O’Neil should probably get in there too.
JEter, posada, arod
the mount rushmore.. should include Mo, no question, he was the greatest pitcher ever... it is insane what he did and all records are meant to be broken but... Mo will hold his status for a long time maybe all time.
The correct answer is Babe Ruth, and the gap is enormous.
Yikes
Gehrig is close imo
The gap isn’t that big. Gehrig was fantastic. Reggie Jackson was also great. Just saying
@@Jack-sf7kz - He was so far and away the best player that it's not even debatable
You can't compare back then to now
💯 true. Derek is keeping score everyday of life. 😂 kinda lame to be honest. Just enjoy the ride and have fun. You already had a legendary career. Come on ease up already.
Mike doesnt understand math
The argument that it was easier to win Championships BITD is just patently stupid.
it say its equally hard to win... given the regular season meant something and you needed to be the top team to get to the WS. That being said, with lack of free agency/draft, etc.... once you won, it was very easy to stay on top i.e. canadiens, celtics yankees.
Yogi also won 3 MVPs - including back to back - so his argument isn’t solely ring-based. He was a truly great player, and a great Yankee.
Babe Ruth didn't play night games. What is the point of that comment, is it harder to hit home runs at night?
Means he never had to deal with day games after night games, less travel, less strain than players later on who had to travel across the country to play their schedules
@@erikprimitivo5071 i see
@@erikprimitivo5071 he also ate hotdogs and drank beer, didnt have his swing built in a laboratory, have detailed scouting reports,
@@erikprimitivo5071 Precisely
ring talk in baseball is so ridiculous when theres so much out of your control as a player
for Hall of Fame. Yes... but not for Yankee mt rushmore. It's a team game, absolutely, but the reason you play the game is not to put up stats, its to win.
Then how come George steinbrenner ain't in the Hall of Fame??
He's not in because of the Dave Winfield incident
Jason Giambi is
Not true if it was about super bowls only. Eli would be in mt. Rushmore
its about the entire package... Rings, MVPs or major awards, Stats, noteworthy plays/games/series, etc.....judge has a gap.
Does Brett Gardner get a seat at the table? 😂😂
Judge is better then Jeter
Brett Gardner has a ring, does that put him at the first table? Of course not. Judge is on pace to belonging at that first table but his career isn't over yet so we'll see. Also, the Nationals outfield males the Yankees short porch look like a little league field
Why would you even mention him lmao his career wasn’t even close to being on the second or third table ….
There could be Two Mount Rushmore lists. The first Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle. The next in any order Berra, Ford, Jeter, and Mariano.
Jeter sucks compared to Judge
Another B.S. topic to fill up airtime.
BYW Is Kay ill? He looks awful.
and to michael's point.. if judge has the insane numbers and never wins a WS ? and has a complete career (unlike Mattingly) does he deserve that "first table" ... yes, I think he does. ARod is an asshole, who cares what that cheater did. He ruined his legacy, period, and has never come clean, I understand why (contractually) but he is a joke, and everyone knows it.. it sucks, Arod is an all time great but fucked himself with the steroids and the response... when he can Arod should come clean for real... he never will imo... that is why I can't respect him. I hope I am wrong, but I am probably not.
Babe Ruth lol
Yea. Let's compare players when Hitler was alive to now