@@noobtuber10 Ironically I think Brawl directly gave us the melee scene today. If Brawl was a viable game competitively then everyone would've moved on and no more melee.
i think it's an important point that melee is one of the very few games that isn't killed off, or even significantly demoted, by its sequels. that alone gives it far more staying power than most
If anything, the sequels keep Melee around as the game that’s the measuring bar to compare and contrast game mechanics. The success of the series future installments, probably to Nintendo’s dismay, has done the opposite in bolstering Melee’s scene and longevity whereas other titles would fold.
@@bigf0ot25 i think ultimate's great. but i also think brawl being kind of ass gave melee a lot of staying power and longevity that otherwise might not have happened. Similar to how 3rd Strike still exists because people got stuck with it for a very long time. They feel distant enough from the further sequels that people are acutely aware and fascinated by their differences
Hell, Ultimate still has flaws Melee didn't. A glitchy top tier who can outright cancel YOUR combos mid way through. Wavedashing being weak. And that Godawful buffer.... Oh, and thanks to fans. Melee has better online now. I say all of this as someone who doesn't care for Melee, and played the Hell out of Brawl and Smash 4. (Poor Smash 4.... Bayo and to a lesser extent Cloud killed it. And Brawl was.... A mess, but a highly moddable mess. Like Skyrim. =V)
melee will live and die by locals/weeklies. as long as there is interest on its smallest scale, melee will never really go away. it's more convenient to grind out sets on ranked, but if you haven't been to your local yet, I implore you to give it a try. I guarantee it will be worth your while.
@treyw5641 If you dont own property thats expensive as hell. I want to start a scene in my area but I cant find any spaces to rent cheap enough to host with any kind of consistency.
@@mystraunt2705 It starts with a handful of people in someone's living room. You don't need to be renting out a venue to start a local. You just need a couch and a CRT.
Melee honestly couldve 'died' at two or three different instances over the past 20 years, but it's the bad smell you can't erase. It's good to have something with so much legacy to tap in to - which is probably what will sustain any competitive enterprise in the long run
So glad I found this channel last year, it's been banger vids ever since. Obviously melee is dying, people have been saying melee is sick for years. That's a serious illness.
melee will keep evolving and changing out of necessity, like it has for the past 20 years, with hardware becoming increasingly obsolete and defunctional, software having bugs which disrupt fair competition and so on. it's a ship of theseus of sorts, but change isn't bad by any means. melee today already looks absolutely nothing like melee from 15 years ago. well sure, the graphics are still the same. rules have changed, players have changed, hardware and software has changed, but it's still melee. in my opinion, melee is the most melee right now, since it is so accessible and the level of competition has pretty much skyrocketed. it's super hard to say anything concrete about the future of digital games, but i strongly believe melee will be left as a very noteworthy outlier in esports history regardless if the game's scene fades away or not. also get chaler to 10k so he can buy legs
i don't think melee will die, the melee community passion for the game is too strong, even compared to other games. judging from my own personal experience (anecdotal evidence, take it with a grain of salt), i started playing melee in 2015 and i loved it sm. i'd play it everyday against a lvl9 20xx fox cpu because i had no friends to play, would go to tournaments just to get smoked by some random techskill demon falco and get 0-2 and i still played it passionately for 2 years. after sometime i started getting interested in other games and from 2018 up until a couple of months ago i didn't play melee or followed the community. and then all of a sudden something reignited that passion for the game and now i came back and it feels like nothing has changed. imo melee has some kind of magic that hooks ppl and no matter how much your interest on it lowers it never dies, it just sits there, waiting for an opportunity to come back and remember you of how great melee really is
I feel like people say Melee is dying is because they look solely at viewership count on TH-cam top 8/ Grand Finals videos and Twitch viewership numbers without looking at attendance. Of course when you compare the EVO numbers in 2016 to now, it’s going to look dramatically less when you view it from that lens.
As someone who was really active during 2014-2018 but dropped off for other priorities in life I'm glad to hear that attendance stabilized around 1k per major. Seeing all the stuff the scene's gone through over the last few years from the outside had me really pessimistic about its future, and assumed it was down to 500-800 and trending downward
A big part of the equation to melee's longevity is what the community was built on. eSports die because most of the competitive community was in it for the money. As soon as top players find a game that they can make a better living off of or have an easier time making a living off of it they're going to leave and never look back. Melee players knew from the inception of a melee tournament that they were not going to make a living playing this so the thing that drove them to participate was the desire to prove that they were or could be the best. Also the idea that melee majors only Having a couple hundred entrants = the game is dying is insane when you look at the attendance numbers back when ken was playing.
Been playing for 7 years. This game aint going anywhere. If esports fails, melee will thrive. It literally survived solely through locals and grassroots tournaments for years before hitting the esports scene at all Its hilarious because every player mistakes their specific fire for the game dying as the game HAS to be dying Its like they dont understand its hard to get the same enjoyment out of something for that long
People have been saying TF2 is dying every year and its just hit its highest player count ever last week. Melee I feel is another game just like that, its timeless.
Haven't finished watching but MAD props for mentioning Tribes, if only for a brief second. The tribes community is extremely small and niche but theres still people who play each one, though there's not really a ton of overlap. Tribes 1 players don't play tribes 2, tribes 2 players don't play vengeance, and none of them play ascend 😂 and even ascend is further fractured with GOTY vs OOTB 😩 Gonna keep playing Yoshi til my hands don't work 🎉❤
The community as a whole is so welcoming rn and their are more reliable ways to play the game than ever with slippi and Boxx etc. And theres a good skill floor rn too but still enough new players to make you feel like you have a shot when you enter a local
Ok this is only kind of true tho, because you have to remember that this is consistent across the world, just because your local scene is still active doesnt mean others are, and in certain areas of the US, melee and even Ultimate have started to die. Locals have stopped as people either are done entirely or have moved on to other games like SF6.
I remember hearing that it was "dying" in 2019 when the lineup at EVO was revealed. Some were trash talking about a game that wasn't even out and under night in-birth exe:late[st]
shout outs to mug for putting this one together while I was away at fete think he nailed down my editing style (I just noticed the media offline shit and im way to scared to take it down and re upload so please forgive on that should have double checked before i hit upload. So if you see that no you didnt its a bug with your youtube not the video ) If you liked this one u should watch more ooohhhh th-cam.com/video/r3YPYlqDJbc/w-d-xo.html
I will say that with GOML upcoming being the biggest melee tournament outside of the USA and the recent fête 3. I think it's going to grow more world wide
Melee doesn't really "die"... It gets unpopular, but eventually it comes back when a new platform fighter comes out, Rivals? Now has a sequel coming with it's blood in Melee, Slapcity? Melee with a different cast, Brawlhalla? Well, just different melee more of movement and dedicated combos like an anime fighter instead of melee's true simple combos... Melee is the SSF2T of platform fighters, it won't die... it just gets unpopular at times
I remember in 2017 when PUBG was released, csgos player numbers dropped around 20-30% and everyone was saying that the game was dead. Now it seems like it breaks it's average player count every month.
Melee was dying then M2K revived it, then it was dying again then Armada revived it. Then Hbox dominated for a while and ironicly Hbox dominating revived melee as people wanted to see him lose, Melee does seems to be changing though. The era of the game being this awesome community, niche and unknown forums and quricky personailties. It's becoming very simple sadly. As much as people hate Leffen he's needed, imagine a television series about a hero with no villains. We need bad people like leffen, we need misundertood like hbox, we need ego sociopathic people like Mango. When Armada quit a decent chunk left. And we need people like Amsa, Axe. Melee dies when these people quit.
as someone who is from the smash community, knows a lot about melee and its lore and "new tech" or old resurfaced tech that has been found in the fabled "slippy era" and unironically likes all the games to some extent, competitively melee has been bankrupt of hype and new innovation for years and should die because the game's competitive scene has been hurting the smash community for years because it "needs to stay alive and be side-by-side with the new smash game" no the fuck it doesn't. Its the same for those other old games, games like these are not perfect and can grow to infact be inferior to new games like Smash Ultimate and Street FIghter 6, the ONLY reason why so many arguments happen about tech, the story lines in comparison to new games, and "how addicting it is or isn't" is because of nostalgia. Some people when they grow up with something have a hard time letting it go and in esports I've noticed that gets magnified to 1000 because "Oh look I found all these people back in the day who loved this game like I did, and I just want to infect the world with that feeling that I had when I met those people for the first time because they are my closest friends even today" stop associating how you got to know someone to the game, that can literally happen with ANY game, melee and other old ass games are not special. I've been around esports for more then a decade bro, this game ain't that special like the people who love it so much make it seem and what I'm actually saying is that it is okay if it dies, or at least it should be but then videos like these get made and people think that the game is unkillable which just gives that community like an ego boost which they don't need cause their game has lasted 3x longer then any old game in gaming history which as a smasher again I find that to be unfair to other communities like Guilty Gear and King of Fighters that deserved the spotlight for their best entries way more then melee because those are way more technical and faster games and those fanbases are way more wholesome. Cause smash people suck, and I know cause I've intimantly been apart of this shit since the brawl days. Bad video.
I don't think it's dying, but interest in entertainment that isn't a movie or series as a whole has likely gone down since the last generation. AAA gaming almost tries to get people sick of playing games while trying to appeal to the youngest audience possible. Melee will earn a few players from that, but overall gaming isn't quite what it used to be. Slippi helps a lot, but unfortunately it also leaves a bad impression as people can be pretty toxic on there as opposed to irl events lol. If I played Slippi before my first local I'd begin to have second thoughts... One other thing to consider is SF6 which is blowing up rn haha. It might just be melee players trying to get into that rather than leaving melee for the long-term.
I’ve moved on, im personally tired of the top tiers and all the grinding but I’m far too scrubby for this level of optimization and I’ve just come to accept this. I grew up with this game but I’m older now and work 40+ hrs a week. I’ll still watch tournaments/occasional streams tho !
Melee is in a bit of an L period right now where Slippi has been out for a while and not much has changed, multiple top players like Wizzrobe and Plup and Mango barely show up / try, and players like SluG are just straight up quitting. The rest of the people playing are mostly bracket demons for other people so it feels like the matches are very predictable right now as well. Zain just farms the shit out of Hbox every time they fight basically for example.
@@TrifSmash Jmook has struggled with non standard characters like Falcon and Yoshi before which most other Sheiks seem to do pretty well against. He and Wizzrobe had only had one set before and it had gone game 5 last stock so it was not really surprising for Wizzrobe to beat him.
@@TrifSmash Leffen has shown that he can win majors if he gets Hbox and Zain in top 8 just a year ago and a 50:50 Fox ditto can just go both ways. Same with Wizzy beating Jmook after going to game 5 last time they played only for him to lose again to Plup. I kind of agree with him since my enjoyment as a spectator is also at an alltime low with half of our top 10 never showing up so that we only see the same exact matches with little to no anomalies. Jmook beating a washed up Hbox was probably the highlight of the year but most sets are just the same matchups of top 15 players or a random top 30 Fox main + non of the current best players having a weight comperable to mang0 and Hbox in popularity. I can tell it to you only from my perspective but ever since aMSa and Jmook finally won something and the whole Panda and bts collapse watching Melee just feels kinda empty. From Summit being gone, almost every vgbc event getting canceled, Cody losing his shot at rank 1 again by not being able to attend, mang0 streaming more Valo and SF6 into throwing his next tournament combo, Hbox still not trying to finally grind again, EU being dead af, Leffen just winning randomly without even practicing for weeks, the constant drama and twitter arguments and still no one entering online tournaments but a select few top 30 players and Cody it all just feels so idk finished? Summit 11 was the greatest tournament of all time, Zain finally got his rank 1, Jmook isn't a silver surfer anymore, aMSa finally won majors and Hbox got out of his win drought so if all my desires for me the spectator are met what else is there to watch for?
I wonder how many people like myself just washed out of watching competitive melee once slippi dropped. I didn't have any real way to play online before that, but theres a direct correlation, for me at least, of slippi coming out and me no longer caring at all about the competitive scene.
People don't play Melee because it's the new, big thing, or because esports orgs pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into high profile tournaments. They play it because it's just a damn good game that never gets old.
I don’t know that I’d ever consider melee would outright die if it wasn’t for Nintendo. Anytime it starts to seem like the community has gotten a new gust of wind, Nintendo comes in a cuts the wings off.
The only way Melee would die is if someone finally cracks the formula on how to create a game with all the similar attractive features Melee has and improves on it. No other game has really come close to that, which is why the Melee community never migrated to another game. The smash 4 community was probably as diehard as the Melee community, but migrated to Ultimate because in general it had what Smash 4 had but improved on it. No one's done that for Melee since it was released over 20 years ago. Melee players need their fix, so if they can't get that anywhere else, they'll go back to Melee!
Even if they did that, I think there's an extreme attachment to Melee itself, flaws and all. Even if Smash 6 is essentially Melee but better and HD, they're still playing Melee because it's Melee.
@@samt3412 You're absolutely right! I love Melee so much its stupid lol. But what I'm saying is a game that would resemble Melee would undoubtedly have a part of the community migrate to that game, which would shrink the Melee sceen, but it probably wouldn't kill Melee completely, that's for sure. I mean some people still play Brawl lol, so Melee would definitely still be somewhere
Not to mention that we have these numbers here but if Nintendo wouldn't press the Melee communitiy so it wouldn’t grow, imagine how many more numbers we would have... 👑🐐💯
I'll never stop playing Melee. 50,000+ 0.5 KOs with Samus. Over 12,000,000 Damage with her and will continue to rise. P.s. Always play 0.5 damage ratio. People don't realize this is the actual Professional level.
Even if every single major, supermajor and even regional-sized tournament were to disappear, Melee will still survive. The game was built on the backs of grassroot communities. Because of that, I don't think it will ever truly die. In short, go to your locals.
Melee honestly had like many near death experiences, and it survived. To quote mango, Melee is the cockroach of the esports scene.
Melee is gonna outlast us all
Melee, skullgirls and tf2 are the undying trilogy atm
This exact video has come out every year since like 2015 lol.
@@morezombies9685 people thought melee eas gonna die with brawl lmfao
@@noobtuber10 Ironically I think Brawl directly gave us the melee scene today. If Brawl was a viable game competitively then everyone would've moved on and no more melee.
i think it's an important point that melee is one of the very few games that isn't killed off, or even significantly demoted, by its sequels. that alone gives it far more staying power than most
low bar to clear tbf
If anything, the sequels keep Melee around as the game that’s the measuring bar to compare and contrast game mechanics. The success of the series future installments, probably to Nintendo’s dismay, has done the opposite in bolstering Melee’s scene and longevity whereas other titles would fold.
@@bigf0ot25 i think ultimate's great. but i also think brawl being kind of ass gave melee a lot of staying power and longevity that otherwise might not have happened.
Similar to how 3rd Strike still exists because people got stuck with it for a very long time. They feel distant enough from the further sequels that people are acutely aware and fascinated by their differences
Hell, Ultimate still has flaws Melee didn't.
A glitchy top tier who can outright cancel YOUR combos mid way through.
Wavedashing being weak.
And that Godawful buffer.... Oh, and thanks to fans. Melee has better online now.
I say all of this as someone who doesn't care for Melee, and played the Hell out of Brawl and Smash 4. (Poor Smash 4.... Bayo and to a lesser extent Cloud killed it. And Brawl was.... A mess, but a highly moddable mess. Like Skyrim. =V)
Melee ain’t dying as long as we keep grinding
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Melee to Infinity 🔥
Preach
Have you heard of Smash Ultimate Old man. Time to move on.
melee will live and die by locals/weeklies. as long as there is interest on its smallest scale, melee will never really go away. it's more convenient to grind out sets on ranked, but if you haven't been to your local yet, I implore you to give it a try. I guarantee it will be worth your while.
Slippy killed those... at least in Western Australia
@@NickyG_vz if you build it, they will come
@treyw5641 If you dont own property thats expensive as hell. I want to start a scene in my area but I cant find any spaces to rent cheap enough to host with any kind of consistency.
@@mystraunt2705 It starts with a handful of people in someone's living room. You don't need to be renting out a venue to start a local. You just need a couch and a CRT.
@@patrickoconnell9387 i live in an rv. living room straight up too small
Melee honestly couldve 'died' at two or three different instances over the past 20 years, but it's the bad smell you can't erase.
It's good to have something with so much legacy to tap in to - which is probably what will sustain any competitive enterprise in the long run
What about viewership of major tournaments? I feel like this is kind of a major statistic and would love if a follow up issue addressed those numbers.
That moment when you're just chillin enjoying a well made Chaler video and you get sucker punched at the end LMAO
Keep up the good work homie
i love you blur
Hey man, I'd miss blur ♥
Ty and sorry bro glad I didn't upset u
So glad I found this channel last year, it's been banger vids ever since.
Obviously melee is dying, people have been saying melee is sick for years. That's a serious illness.
I dont even follow melee but I appreciate the production value, editing, and presentation of your vids
melee will keep evolving and changing out of necessity, like it has for the past 20 years, with hardware becoming increasingly obsolete and defunctional, software having bugs which disrupt fair competition and so on. it's a ship of theseus of sorts, but change isn't bad by any means. melee today already looks absolutely nothing like melee from 15 years ago. well sure, the graphics are still the same. rules have changed, players have changed, hardware and software has changed, but it's still melee. in my opinion, melee is the most melee right now, since it is so accessible and the level of competition has pretty much skyrocketed. it's super hard to say anything concrete about the future of digital games, but i strongly believe melee will be left as a very noteworthy outlier in esports history regardless if the game's scene fades away or not.
also get chaler to 10k so he can buy legs
Drama, views, paranoia. yada yada.
Melee’s not dying
i don't think melee will die, the melee community passion for the game is too strong, even compared to other games. judging from my own personal experience (anecdotal evidence, take it with a grain of salt), i started playing melee in 2015 and i loved it sm. i'd play it everyday against a lvl9 20xx fox cpu because i had no friends to play, would go to tournaments just to get smoked by some random techskill demon falco and get 0-2 and i still played it passionately for 2 years. after sometime i started getting interested in other games and from 2018 up until a couple of months ago i didn't play melee or followed the community. and then all of a sudden something reignited that passion for the game and now i came back and it feels like nothing has changed. imo melee has some kind of magic that hooks ppl and no matter how much your interest on it lowers it never dies, it just sits there, waiting for an opportunity to come back and remember you of how great melee really is
Bruh the game's been around for over 20 years 💀💀
I feel like people say Melee is dying is because they look solely at viewership count on TH-cam top 8/ Grand Finals videos and Twitch viewership numbers without looking at attendance.
Of course when you compare the EVO numbers in 2016 to now, it’s going to look dramatically less when you view it from that lens.
As someone who was really active during 2014-2018 but dropped off for other priorities in life I'm glad to hear that attendance stabilized around 1k per major. Seeing all the stuff the scene's gone through over the last few years from the outside had me really pessimistic about its future, and assumed it was down to 500-800 and trending downward
I honestly wish it did. If anything, it feels like a zombie of injuries, broken tricks, and competitive bs that never seems to die.
wow. the quality was phenomenal. also whatchu mean by that ending text?? 🤨
“Or if by some miracle the crimson blur stops talking…” LKAOO
bro the concept of me and my friends watching our kids play melee......
A big part of the equation to melee's longevity is what the community was built on.
eSports die because most of the competitive community was in it for the money. As soon as top players find a game that they can make a better living off of or have an easier time making a living off of it they're going to leave and never look back. Melee players knew from the inception of a melee tournament that they were not going to make a living playing this so the thing that drove them to participate was the desire to prove that they were or could be the best.
Also the idea that melee majors only Having a couple hundred entrants = the game is dying is insane when you look at the attendance numbers back when ken was playing.
Been playing for 7 years. This game aint going anywhere. If esports fails, melee will thrive. It literally survived solely through locals and grassroots tournaments for years before hitting the esports scene at all
Its hilarious because every player mistakes their specific fire for the game dying as the game HAS to be dying
Its like they dont understand its hard to get the same enjoyment out of something for that long
People have been saying TF2 is dying every year and its just hit its highest player count ever last week. Melee I feel is another game just like that, its timeless.
"and if by some miracle the crimson blur stops talking" i'm fucking dead
Half of the online melee community is 15 and 16 years old, its so fucking alive❤❤❤
Melee's worst case is essentially where P+ is right now, which is grassroots tourneys with great vibes and no expectations of making money
production value gettin pretty bonkers
Haven't finished watching but MAD props for mentioning Tribes, if only for a brief second.
The tribes community is extremely small and niche but theres still people who play each one, though there's not really a ton of overlap. Tribes 1 players don't play tribes 2, tribes 2 players don't play vengeance, and none of them play ascend 😂 and even ascend is further fractured with GOTY vs OOTB 😩
Gonna keep playing Yoshi til my hands don't work 🎉❤
I love how Chaler stands up with his mic
The community as a whole is so welcoming rn and their are more reliable ways to play the game than ever with slippi and Boxx etc. And theres a good skill floor rn too but still enough new players to make you feel like you have a shot when you enter a local
Anyone else thought that this was an AsumSaus thumbnail?
I won't let melee die.
thank you stoneymalony9209 you are the hero we need keep up the good fight
Please tell the players to take regular showers and weed out the damn pedos and we are gold
@@flewis02 k
@@109Percent ultimate...pedos...yes..its Erza Miller across the Pedoverse....
@@flewis02you've never been to a melee event in your life
smash in general as people like it will probably die since representatives did their best to burn any bridge they had with nintendo
The only threat I see to melee is controllers. If that shit don't get under control it COULD get sketchy but still might not "kill" the game. OEM baby
If I ever become a top player, you can call the game dead.
not Blur getting shade 😭
As someone who stopped following in 2016 and only started again this year I can truly say every day melee is still this big is a gift!
lmfaoo 1:40. Throwback to one of the best sections on Twitch where no one even played the game
Ok this is only kind of true tho, because you have to remember that this is consistent across the world, just because your local scene is still active doesnt mean others are, and in certain areas of the US, melee and even Ultimate have started to die. Locals have stopped as people either are done entirely or have moved on to other games like SF6.
don’t you dare put tf2 on the dead game list, new record concurrent players this week
Melee isnt dying, its the only part of Smash that is surviving at this point.
...Ultimate tho....
Loved you and Chelly's commentary at Fete and I've been a big fan of your channel for awhile, keep it up bruh
I remember hearing that it was "dying" in 2019 when the lineup at EVO was revealed. Some were trash talking about a game that wasn't even out and under night in-birth exe:late[st]
god i love under night
I didn't want to see the side view of Fox's head without the ears
"...and, for some God forsaken reason, Cricket..."
Suɓbed.
Ah yes the yearly is melee dying video
shout outs to mug for putting this one together while I was away at fete think he nailed down my editing style (I just noticed the media offline shit and im way to scared to take it down and re upload so please forgive on that should have double checked before i hit upload. So if you see that no you didnt its a bug with your youtube not the video )
If you liked this one u should watch more ooohhhh
th-cam.com/video/r3YPYlqDJbc/w-d-xo.html
@kk12ie yep, you got it!
What's with the death threat in the final screen? 😂
I will say that with GOML upcoming being the biggest melee tournament outside of the USA and the recent fête 3. I think it's going to grow more world wide
Good 🅱️ideo
Comment buried 😅
Melee doesn't really "die"... It gets unpopular, but eventually it comes back when a new platform fighter comes out, Rivals? Now has a sequel coming with it's blood in Melee, Slapcity? Melee with a different cast, Brawlhalla? Well, just different melee more of movement and dedicated combos like an anime fighter instead of melee's true simple combos... Melee is the SSF2T of platform fighters, it won't die... it just gets unpopular at times
I remember in 2017 when PUBG was released, csgos player numbers dropped around 20-30% and everyone was saying that the game was dead. Now it seems like it breaks it's average player count every month.
Yes it is, but it s not going to be a dramatic crash, just a slow and steady decline. Nintendo is slowly suffocating the scene financially
nope that was on them
Add to your melee playlist
banger vid as usual
Melee was dying then M2K revived it, then it was dying again then Armada revived it. Then Hbox dominated for a while and ironicly Hbox dominating revived melee as people wanted to see him lose, Melee does seems to be changing though.
The era of the game being this awesome community, niche and unknown forums and quricky personailties. It's becoming very simple sadly.
As much as people hate Leffen he's needed, imagine a television series about a hero with no villains. We need bad people like leffen, we need misundertood like hbox, we need ego sociopathic people like Mango.
When Armada quit a decent chunk left.
And we need people like Amsa, Axe.
Melee dies when these people quit.
oh let leffen there, he is toxic, lied about alot of people with no remorse, not mention melee had some pedos themsleves
I think Melee still has a decade or two left.
Melee is fine ult would die first
Yo you showing Tribes Ascend under “promising games” was fucked up I didn’t need that ptsd.
as someone who is from the smash community, knows a lot about melee and its lore and "new tech" or old resurfaced tech that has been found in the fabled "slippy era" and unironically likes all the games to some extent, competitively melee has been bankrupt of hype and new innovation for years and should die because the game's competitive scene has been hurting the smash community for years because it "needs to stay alive and be side-by-side with the new smash game" no the fuck it doesn't. Its the same for those other old games, games like these are not perfect and can grow to infact be inferior to new games like Smash Ultimate and Street FIghter 6, the ONLY reason why so many arguments happen about tech, the story lines in comparison to new games, and "how addicting it is or isn't" is because of nostalgia. Some people when they grow up with something have a hard time letting it go and in esports I've noticed that gets magnified to 1000 because "Oh look I found all these people back in the day who loved this game like I did, and I just want to infect the world with that feeling that I had when I met those people for the first time because they are my closest friends even today" stop associating how you got to know someone to the game, that can literally happen with ANY game, melee and other old ass games are not special. I've been around esports for more then a decade bro, this game ain't that special like the people who love it so much make it seem and what I'm actually saying is that it is okay if it dies, or at least it should be but then videos like these get made and people think that the game is unkillable which just gives that community like an ego boost which they don't need cause their game has lasted 3x longer then any old game in gaming history which as a smasher again I find that to be unfair to other communities like Guilty Gear and King of Fighters that deserved the spotlight for their best entries way more then melee because those are way more technical and faster games and those fanbases are way more wholesome.
Cause smash people suck, and I know cause I've intimantly been apart of this shit since the brawl days. Bad video.
Dota is glued to that conveyor belt lol we've heard that for years
When I got into Melee in 2014 people were saying it was dying.
I don't think it's dying, but interest in entertainment that isn't a movie or series as a whole has likely gone down since the last generation. AAA gaming almost tries to get people sick of playing games while trying to appeal to the youngest audience possible. Melee will earn a few players from that, but overall gaming isn't quite what it used to be.
Slippi helps a lot, but unfortunately it also leaves a bad impression as people can be pretty toxic on there as opposed to irl events lol. If I played Slippi before my first local I'd begin to have second thoughts...
One other thing to consider is SF6 which is blowing up rn haha. It might just be melee players trying to get into that rather than leaving melee for the long-term.
Maybe this is what happens when Nintendo Hijacks local tournament like some Jock on campus drunkenly crashing the Video game club.
what is that music from 1:28. feel like i've heard it before
Idk the name of the song but it’s bgm for the ds game dragonball z attack of the saiyans, a personal favorite game of mine :)
We can let it die tbh. It has lived a beautiful life.
Awesome video! Keep up the good consistent work
It’s ok for melee to die, it was made in 2001 lol
smash ultimate, yes. melee never will die, it's had too many chances too and never did
With slippi melee can't die tbh
People have many fun things to do that watch that, like their own sprite work.
Betteridge's law of headlines
I’ve moved on, im personally tired of the top tiers and all the grinding but I’m far too scrubby for this level of optimization and I’ve just come to accept this. I grew up with this game but I’m older now and work 40+ hrs a week. I’ll still watch tournaments/occasional streams tho !
do you edit on davinchi? it looks clean fr
Chaler has such a good sense home humor
Melee is in a bit of an L period right now where Slippi has been out for a while and not much has changed, multiple top players like Wizzrobe and Plup and Mango barely show up / try, and players like SluG are just straight up quitting. The rest of the people playing are mostly bracket demons for other people so it feels like the matches are very predictable right now as well. Zain just farms the shit out of Hbox every time they fight basically for example.
Leffen literally won a super major with a Zain Ics in finals; and wizzy beat jmook 3 weeks ago... Predictible? Lol
@@TrifSmash Jmook has struggled with non standard characters like Falcon and Yoshi before which most other Sheiks seem to do pretty well against. He and Wizzrobe had only had one set before and it had gone game 5 last stock so it was not really surprising for Wizzrobe to beat him.
@@TrifSmash Leffen has shown that he can win majors if he gets Hbox and Zain in top 8 just a year ago and a 50:50 Fox ditto can just go both ways.
Same with Wizzy beating Jmook after going to game 5 last time they played only for him to lose again to Plup.
I kind of agree with him since my enjoyment as a spectator is also at an alltime low with half of our top 10 never showing up so that we only see the same exact matches with little to no anomalies.
Jmook beating a washed up Hbox was probably the highlight of the year but most sets are just the same matchups of top 15 players or a random top 30 Fox main + non of the current best players having a weight comperable to mang0 and Hbox in popularity.
I can tell it to you only from my perspective but ever since aMSa and Jmook finally won something and the whole Panda and bts collapse watching Melee just feels kinda empty.
From Summit being gone, almost every vgbc event getting canceled, Cody losing his shot at rank 1 again by not being able to attend, mang0 streaming more Valo and SF6 into throwing his next tournament combo, Hbox still not trying to finally grind again, EU being dead af, Leffen just winning randomly without even practicing for weeks, the constant drama and twitter arguments and still no one entering online tournaments but a select few top 30 players and Cody it all just feels so idk finished?
Summit 11 was the greatest tournament of all time, Zain finally got his rank 1, Jmook isn't a silver surfer anymore, aMSa finally won majors and Hbox got out of his win drought so if all my desires for me the spectator are met what else is there to watch for?
Melee, dota, counterstrike. The undying games of our time
Lol tf2 just hit a new player peak.
A wise man once said "there is still so much melee to be played"
NO WAY IS THAT TEEHEE VALLEY MUSIC IN THE BEGINNING
I wonder how many people like myself just washed out of watching competitive melee once slippi dropped. I didn't have any real way to play online before that, but theres a direct correlation, for me at least, of slippi coming out and me no longer caring at all about the competitive scene.
Dude this game is ancient ! You’re asking this NOW??
Melee won’t die until there is something better that scratches the same itch: NASB2
People don't play Melee because it's the new, big thing, or because esports orgs pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into high profile tournaments. They play it because it's just a damn good game that never gets old.
Nice video as always!!! Btw what is name of music in the end?
What about the viewership question?
Getting accurate viewship for events long in the past is extremely hard I think when u take into account re streams and the like
I don’t know that I’d ever consider melee would outright die if it wasn’t for Nintendo. Anytime it starts to seem like the community has gotten a new gust of wind, Nintendo comes in a cuts the wings off.
The only way Melee would die is if someone finally cracks the formula on how to create a game with all the similar attractive features Melee has and improves on it. No other game has really come close to that, which is why the Melee community never migrated to another game. The smash 4 community was probably as diehard as the Melee community, but migrated to Ultimate because in general it had what Smash 4 had but improved on it. No one's done that for Melee since it was released over 20 years ago. Melee players need their fix, so if they can't get that anywhere else, they'll go back to Melee!
Even if they did that, I think there's an extreme attachment to Melee itself, flaws and all. Even if Smash 6 is essentially Melee but better and HD, they're still playing Melee because it's Melee.
@@samt3412 You're absolutely right! I love Melee so much its stupid lol. But what I'm saying is a game that would resemble Melee would undoubtedly have a part of the community migrate to that game, which would shrink the Melee sceen, but it probably wouldn't kill Melee completely, that's for sure. I mean some people still play Brawl lol, so Melee would definitely still be somewhere
It's a video game for children. Who cares
Not to mention that we have these numbers here but if Nintendo wouldn't press the Melee communitiy so it wouldn’t grow, imagine how many more numbers we would have... 👑🐐💯
prba bly cuz of IP and they su[pport toxic losers and pedos
melee will never die but I do think it's heading into a serious Ice Age soon
I'll never stop playing Melee. 50,000+ 0.5 KOs with Samus. Over 12,000,000 Damage with her and will continue to rise. P.s. Always play 0.5 damage ratio. People don't realize this is the actual Professional level.
There is so much more melee to be played
The only problem with Melee is Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik, or bust.
Gotta get that outro text on a shirt pronto
goml 2023 has the most entrants of any non us melee event ever !!
With the introduction of slippi, which made melee more accessible to play, i think this game is nowhere near its death
Even if every single major, supermajor and even regional-sized tournament were to disappear, Melee will still survive. The game was built on the backs of grassroot communities. Because of that, I don't think it will ever truly die. In short, go to your locals.
Melee as a game will prob never die, but as an esport where player can earn a living of it, it’s done
I know that when I'm old as shit I'll still be playing melee
The only thing that defines the Melee Community to me is how deeply ingrained its hatred of HBox is.
A darwin nunez refrence pog
Super Smash Bros. Melee. Forever.