A Few Recent PSA Orders With Some Very Puzzling Results
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It seems that PSA is doing a tremendously good job at training us to crack and resubmit cards.
Yea and now that they own SGC they got the double dip covered too now when they crack there crappy PSA graded slab and re submit there.
Yeah, pay twice to grade the same card. This is frustrating.
Love this comment.
@@CoreyInCreamCity Indeed.
Also maybe email PSA this video their customer service is pretty good if these are all the same grader he shouldn't work for PSA
Great idea sending this video into PSA.
If the grade doesn’t fit, you must re-submit. That’s PSA’s path to higher profits.
Also a path to pop counts that are meaningless...
The PSA scam in full effect
Its not just PSA, they are all a scam targeting insecure people
The SGC purchase should NOT be allowed for antitrust reasons.
@@themischiefjournal Don't expect the government to protect your hobbies
Chris, I agree with most all of these comments. 1. You are very humble, I would be so pissed off with those grades (Im pissed for you). 2. You should resubmit some (or all) of those and do a video on that. 3. With almost 70,000 subscribers Id like to believe PSA will see it and hopefully start listening to collectors about leaving comments or notes. 4. Be consistent PSA
If Chris Sewall is questioning PSA there is an issue. Hands down one of the best ive seen grading his vintage before sending off and was always dead money. These being that low is crazy
Until we get graders notes, there's zero accountability for the grades/graders.
PSA is riding completely off name recognition at the moment. Their grading is all over the place.
I agree. They are hiring graders left and right. In general, I admire a worker and avoid shit talking a profession, but if there is one industry that would thrive within Artificial Intelligence, it's this one.
@@themischiefjournal
Yes on the AI! I don’t love that but my goodness
@@themischiefjournalTAG
Aren't some of those cards supposed to be bright white? 2nd Mantle is yellow
Does PSA even read their own standards per grade and match it to the card? Makes you wonder.
they have hired a bunch of rookies that have never seen a vintage card
Definitely never seen o-pee-chee before 1980 from my recent experiences🙄
I was thinking the same thing
Definitely, I saw all the ads they were putting out for hiring. I thought to myself, most of the people have probably never even seen a baseball card before!!
That is the problem… vintage shouldn’t be for rookies… It should be for seasoned veterans. I hate to say it but it may just be time for ai to take over because there is too many dorks on planet Earth!
Hey Chris, you should crack a couple of those out of the case and send them to SCG and see how different the grading will be.
We should all chip in to pay for the costs. For research purposes.
PSA bought out SGC, to eliminate their loss in the vintage market. This is just an all around nightmare.
@cardmanjohn4916 was collectors not psa. And they are all completely separate companies that run all in their own so that statement is just clueless at best and idiotic at worst.
@@richardbianco9674 “Collectors Universe” is a part of “CARDS PARENT LP” formed in 2020 for the sole purpose or cornering the graded card market. Your lack of knowledge is annoying, and your pompous attitude along with your display of no solid research shows your immaturity. But, “you go girl” I’m sure you’re right….
@cardmanjohn4916 and cards parent LP bought it from Alta Fox Capitol management. Still doesn't negate that collectors universe is the parent company in this argument. Nat Turner, Steve Cohen, Joe Orlando, and Peter Steinberg have all talked about this. There has been no and will be no collaborating, sharing of any tech or personnel. This has been talked about ad nauseum.
No explanations for you but lots of empathy. PSA has felt like an abusive relationship now for a while.
LOL
First timer here...I want the Rose card. In fact, I just had this weird thought...sell me all the extremely strangely graded cards.
Angel Hernandez just signed on to be PSA's Executive director of grading.
They are now grading on a 1 to 5 scale. This is as mad as you'll ever see Chris
I was expecting a “WTF PSA!!”
SGC is becoming my new favorite, especially for PC's. The tuxedo black just looks better in my opinion.
I wish collectors would boycott them completely. What a scam.
I mean. What a bunch of fucking bullshit. Listen, I'm too old to agree with Mr. Sewall for the sake of, but what the fuck happened with this batch.
The Mantle is a scorcher.
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This solidifies it. Not grading anything until all of these shady instances are rectified. Chris is a better man than me. I’d probably use that platform to go hard in the paint on PSA at this point.
Here’s how you know PSA is crap. I have that same PSA Graded mantle, faded beyond this card and it is a PSA 6
Someone needs to do a very detailed and very documented experiment of taking the same vintage baseball card that has been cracked from a PSA 7-9 case and re submit.
Catalog grade received, crack and resubmit.
Catalog grade received, crack and resubmit.
And do this 10.x and share every grade received.
I am willing to bet that grades would range from authentic to 8.
First time I've seen you complain. We feel your pain. Getting the same results. Thanks for your honest support.
What ever happened with the FBI investigation into them a few years back?
If you think the FBI can't be bought think again
They say "nothing" came out of it but if the FBI investigates, they don't do it on a whim, meaning they found plenty. If there wasn't a major release about it, the deal was hush. Probably all "blamed" on a high level executive, who took a massive severance package and is laughing it all off in Bora Bora. Meanwhile, back to scamming, why not? Even if they get caught again, just pay off another exec for an early retirement. While we keep going back to them like lemmings.
I have so much to say about these results. This has been happening to me with my vintage submissions too. I am flabbergasted at the random low grades. I have submitted about twenty cards an order, seven orders over about a year and my pregrading predictions are on average 1.5 grades lower than expected. Some of that are random 3-4 grade lower than expected grades. I have two theories - 1. Graders that are looking at ultra modern are switching over to vintage grading because they are so far behind (on vintage) and are hammering cards that are not 9’s and 10’s like they are used to. Theory 2 is that they are using scanning technology (like Tag) and they are finding issues with the card that you could only see with a microscope. People submitting vintage today are the guinea pigs for them trying to figure out what value to put on defects. A hi definition scan can show tens of imperfections. Maybe the value of those is a work in progress. Does all of this have something to do with SGC purchase? Buying more vintage graders? For now I am going to stop sending my vintage in until some consistency comes back.
reading your post, it crossed my mind that maybe this is a over correction for vintage pressing/soaking/manipulating? I tend to think it's a corporation that's gotten over saturated. It's the Subway of card grading- if they did less it'd be better.
Agreed vintage grading has been brutal. It’s as if they reduce it two grades as soon as it’s < 1977
Whats the lost returns based in the lowball grades?
I was thinking the same thing. They are looking at 1959 Topps the same way they look at 2023 Topps Chrome. It's apples & oranges.
I definitely share the same opinion and am also going to hold off doing anymore future subs for at least a year and save $149
Chris, I’m so glad TH-camrs like yourself and others continue to do these PSA videos where the grades make no sense. It really exposes the grading system is nonsense in the hobby in terms of a strict pricing structure. Why are people paying for the grade if the grades don’t make sense? I see this all of the time in ultra modern where you can put 25 PSA 9’s and 25 PSA 10’s and you can’t tell the difference? Hopefully the hobby gravitates to ‘buy the card not the grade’ because this video is exhibit A as to why. But I’m not holding out hope as the obsession with grades has led us to the point where the grades don’t mean anything anymore.
I feel your pain!! Mike,baseball collector, has been getting hammered too,but I’m sure you guys have talked about it!! I was at a show 2 weeks ago were I bought a pair of 68’s. I could not believe they were only a 3.5 and 4. They are beautiful and the dealer was telling me he thought they were tough grades. I paid on the higher end for those but they look grade and don’t mind. Matched them up with some 5’s-7’s I have and couldn’t tell the difference between them
The problem is PSA has a monopoly. SGC tried to break that but collectors pay more for a PSA slab so that’s where sellers will send their cards. Back in the days before the internet we saw this same issue with price guides. Beckett was king and all others were ignored even if they may have been more accurate. PSA is not forced to have good quality control because of this and you get weird grades. I saw a Brooks Robinson 1957 rookie that was at best a 3 but the slab said 8 go figure.
Then SGC sold out to PSA
You should crack them all and send them back in 1 order and due a second video comparing the differences. You should then reach out to PSA about your findings.
I would love to see this. I once sent a flawless Dave Stewart rookie card to PSA and it came back a PSA 8. I could not find one issue with the card so I cracked it, sent it right back to PSA and it got a PSA 10 the second time. I’ve had +3 grade bumps happen with true vintage cards as well. PSAs inconsistencies need to be highlighted and I no longer grade any vintage with PSA. I only use SGC for vintage.
This is part of the reason people arn't grading much anymore. I got an email begging me to send in cards at 6$ each from a grading company. The quality is bad, and the resale value is often not there anymore.
Hi Chris a friend of mine is a huge collector of 50s and below cards he tells me once a card has some yellowing psa automatically brings it down to a 5 and than grades the rest of the card . Love your videos and always looking forward for the next one.
Until Angel Hernandez also retires from his PSA grading job this will continue to happen.
😂😂
A couple of times in this video we get to hear "high pitched" Sewell as his voice cracks in disbelief at some of these grades.
I submitted 103 cards last summer/fall and they damaged 95 of them. And they also gave grades way below what some of them deserved. They asked me to send them back in just so they could evaluate them in person and they insisted I even send in my 10’s. Then they turned around and downgraded 2 of my 10’s even though they never hinted at the fact that they were going to regrade them.
2 things. 1. If people keep sending their cards to them and don’t move on to other companies, they will continue to raise prices as we’ve seen and continue to give out bad grades. My guess is the graders have changed as you see how greedy they are (weren’t giving promotions and/or raises even though the influx of cards is growing and now charging more money… they’re just keeping the extra money) and new graders took their spot that aren’t trained well enough nor qualified hence the off grades. 2. If they continue to do this it will finally cause them to crash and other grading companies will take over as the top spots. By then though the top people at PSA have made all the money they need and they’re not worried if that weee to happen or not… thoughts?
I had a Payton Rookie that went straight into a card saver from pack pack and it got a 5 last week. I have 58 vintage still waiting to be graded, so I will probably take a bath given their recent trend of grading.
What I find interesting about this is that Chris is an experienced card guy with a plethora of knowledge. This goofy system we have to make money causes Chris to send the cards to someone with 1/100th less experience to put his "expert opinion" on the card.
Looking at what you showed, and not in hand, my first and only thought was they're following their guidelines more strictly on surface and centering issues, granted the authentic-3 grades were puzzling. But I do think you need to loop, and maybe you do, the corners and surface more closely, after starting and stopping the 58 Mantle /Aaron a dozen times I could see some surface issues and possible corner crease upper left, also the dot on the back in the border I would need to see under loop to see if that's a print defect or something else. If you requested no qualifiers on your order I could understand the 56 Aparicio going from a 6 o/c to a 4. Anyways the cards have great eye appeal for the grades and will probably bring top or surpass other comps for that grade.
I’ve seen too many negative comments about PSA. I don’t think I’ll waste my money with them.
I feel like PSA sometimes purposely gives low grades to trigger crack-outs as a deceitful corporate money-making scheme.
The reason for your questions is obviously PSA. The only thing consistent with PSA is their inconsistency. They have been fooled by counterfeits, take longer to grade and return, charge more money and instead of fixing their well known issues, they buy out their biggest competitor that was quickly taking away a lot of their customer base. I will not cry if PSA becomes the next BCCG.
Once again SGC is the way to go for vintage
This video highlights why subgrades make sense and should be the standard. Subgrades serve multiple purposes: targeted grading that results in an overall more accurate final grade, accountability for the grader, answers to questions as to why for the customer, better overall conditions for the hobby.
PSA is basically no longer providing the service you are paying for with vintage submissions. Their problem is unqualified employees handling material out of their depth and working under a time limit. I also have a feeling they might be trying to push vintage subs to SGC now that the parent company owns them. PSA is set up to handle modern, i.e. quickly give modern orders a pre determined gem rate and move on to the next fleecing.
3 possible explanations
Were any of these cards in screw downs?
Did PSA move to AI technology and we don’t know yet?
Do they give better grades to dealers that use them as sponsors.
Those would be my immediate 3 questions for this horrible grading.
I hate to see this happen to you, but in a way im glad to see someone with your experience have a similar experience I have. I like to think im accurate with my pregrading and history typically shows that. But I've received a few orders recently that have vintage grades that make absolutely no sense! Ill be sticking with SGC for my vintage going forward as im always at worst a half grade off. I feel for you
I’ve said it before in this channel; if PSA keeps playing games with collectors, it won’t be collectors that shut their doors but The FBI who has a dedicated force now overseeing the sports card market. That’s how big it has gotten.
Who knows what it could be; maybe they wait for you to sell the cards buy them at low graded prices, regrade them with higher grades and make a bundle? Anything you can think of is not impossible. They have already been caught doing worse (the rookie Bird/Magic card comes to mind…)
Great theory..... grade low then wait for them on the resale market. Already a shady company i wouldnt be surpised if they do this.
With your knowledge in the hobby, plus your objective view towards grading, this is completely a video that I hope the higher ups at PSA watch.
You should really crack them and resubmit the whole order to see if they come back low grade again. It would make for a good video.
That’s what PSA wants you to do. They get your money twice if not more
@@old-schoolrookiecollector1667 You're definitely right about that but a guy with a following like Chris would shine a light on how inconsistent PSA is.
@@travishouse6295 hopefully so
@@travishouse6295 We already know it's inconsistent
But u keep sending to PSA because I keep paying up for PSA an the cycle continues... insanity my man an im here for it!
IF a card grades as follows: corners 10...edges 10....surface 10....centering 3.....final grade will be 3. Card will grade no higher than the lowest subgrade
I just started looking into the whole modern day scene after having 50,000 cards from early ‘50’s to early 2000’s laying dormant mostly since mid-80’s then buying my kids’ friend’s collections when they grew out of it and wanted cash.
So my initial reason for digging out the many large chests from the closet was seeing many of the cards I had collected and put under protection immediately back in the late 70s early 80s going for these high prices at auctions. Like the 1980 Ricky Henderson Rookie, which I knew I had at least 10 of that card, 2 of which I sold to a guy at a show in the early 90s for $125 each. So I started watching the the auction stuff and videos on the whole grading thing. Where I’m thinking “Well, I know I must have SOME 10 grade cards out of all the cards I have(because I took care of my cards even as a 9-10-11-12 year old, going to early card shows with my dad and using ALL the money I made working for $2/hr at our custom furniture store, and bidding on different “lots” of 800 1969 Baseball cards with like 30 star cards included for like $25. I just saw one of those boxes that was a lot of 50 1955 including 2 Aarons, Killebrew, Jackie, and some others for $33. I liked getting a chunk of older cards, and bidding against 40+ year old men was kind of fun. I always thought the cards were underpriced. And was quickly proven right not many years later.
Anyway, now after getting some knowledge about the whole program and thinking about money and how people get with money, I soon came to believe that GOD himself could produce a perfect 1959 Mickey Mantle or 1980 Ricky or 75 Brett, and there ain’t a snowball’s chance in hell any of them would be considered for a Gem mint 10 grade. NOT in 2024, NOT A CHANCE!!
That money has already been locked up and put into a few hands. It’s a closed game that is now just selling the fantasy by dangling those massive auction paydays out there to induce people into getting their best conditioned cards submitted so some stoner can look over your cards with enhanced vision picking apart your cards because EVERY card is flawed. I know because I have a microscope and I’ve looked at perfect cards. And they all look shifty under magnification. So any grader can justify downgrading any card anytime, “oh see that little dot that no one can see with their naked eye? Ya see, it’s not a 10”
It’s a JOKE! They have ruined the whole thing. So you could line up 20 pristine 1980 Ricky Henderson cards, and give them a quick scan and see they all are great. So instead of ALL of those 20 cards getting say $3-4-5K or more each, they pick one winner and dump $100k on them, and the others are seen as losers worth 1/100th of that one. What a bunch of Fu#%ing A#%HOLES.
Everyone should boycott this God-complex monopoly and let the dealers make their own prices with each other and decide the condition of the cards in-person at shows like men.
What needs to happen is there needs to be an outside audit of PSA GEM MT 10 grades from every year going back to the first grades given. And I bet that a 1950s vintage GEM MT 10 2007 graded card and a 2024 7-8 grade would be almost indistinguishable in a blind test? There needs to be a big blind test done with cards that no one knows when, who, what, where, why a card was graded, or if they were ever graded at all. From every year and a big cross section of cards, and see how the lower graded newly graded cards end up standing up to the older graded cards. I’d bet BIG MONEY you would find that the newer graded 7-8-9s would rate at least as high as older graded 10s.
It’s the only way to bring any accountability into this obvious money laundering-ish type scammy corrupted crap that is clearly going on.
You can NOT pause and consider a grade because the pop will be impacted, that ain’t your job douchebags. Grade the fucking cards straight, cuz THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SELLING. Graders don’t get to control populations? Otherwise you’re just organized crime and you’re all criminals.
Any grader who ever has to pause because they know that there are only 2 known 10s and they are looking at the 3rd, THEY just became something other than a grader. They are playing God. And that is how it all feels.
🙏🏼-“oh please PSA be nice to my perfect card?!”
“Ah shucks a 4😔, Oh well maybe my next submission for $800 will be better?”
A 10 MUST be a 10 if it’s a 10 like the other 10s
I’ve watched so many puzzling reveal videos involving PSA and vintage. I think they simply have too many younger, less experienced graders looking at these cards for mere seconds before issuing a grade. It seems for vintage, the grade of 4 is the equivalent of a PSA 9 for new cards. Something middle of the road that will slip through.
If that was the case, then they would be 8s and 9s, not 3s and 4s.
I am starting to believe that they want to give shitty grades to vintage so that they can push everyone over to SGC, which will help streamline their shit more efficiently. Keep the modern on one side and the vintage on the other.....
I've seen cards in PSA "8" holders that look worse than some of those cards.
We just keep sending to PSA. WHY? I understand they may fetch more, but we just keep enabling them. What would be the price difference if SGC was a grade or two higher? I’d like to see an experiment testing one vs the other for several cards. Maybe even throw TAG in the mix. Seems like PSA is thinking these are old cards, they have to be poor condition, therefore they grade 2 grades lower just because.
TAG does not grade cards pre-1990
Psa just looks at a card and if clean / modern “9 or 10 “ “slab it”!!
Older cards “max 8”
Vintage “4, 5 ,6 “ “slab it up”
“Lets go boys and girls! We got millions of cards to grade”
PSA :
Where we give out unwarranted inexplicable grades and once in a while get it right !
SGC for vintage all day! I comp tons of cards between them and PSA for vintage and they really are exact for the vast majority of cards and some SGC are even higher.
You are 100% wrong. SGC cards do not get anywhere near PSA value. The only card that come close are 52 Mantles.
@@dustendawin4657 I buy and sell vintage baseball cards of HOFers and semistars from the 50s-70s in the hundreds per month and, no... I'm not. There are definitely cards that are better to go with PSA, but comps for MOST mid grade average to higher HOFers are virtually even. When you factor in how fast it is to get SGC back compared to PSA and how wonky PSA's grading is, it makes it a much more compelling choice
I sent in a 50+ vintage card submission to CGC (yes, go ahead and laugh) and got two back as "Authentic". Each card had a stick-it note attached with the problem area circled and one had a written note indicating "erasure". The other one didn't have a note but the circled edge suggested trimming. So at least I got an explanation for the Authentic grades.
Preach! And here I thought it was just me. 😂. At this point I just assume every Mantle, Aaron, Rose, rookie card and card from key sets like 1952, 1953, 1956 and pre-war will be coming back 2 grades lower than my lower side expectations.
What’s your plans with the cards now? Seems like the grading really has been inconsistent, but with the secondary market prices it’s also hard to argue sending it to them.
It honestly undermines their credibility as a company when a 2 can look as good as a 6, or when a 4 very often looks like an 8.
I know people don't love TAG (I'm a huge fan), and they don't grade vintage, but the concept of machine grading to ensure consistency and the grading report that can tell you what defects that affected your grade and show your the exact centering is what makes me love them. People still love PSA because of the apparent better resale value, but they aren't a better, more consistent, more accurate grader.
How can you have any confidence in TAG grading when they don't grade vintage? Cardboard is cardboard.
@@jude999 you can have confidence because they aren't rushing and are making sure they get it right before grading vintage. My guess is that they need to make sure the system understands the nuances of the edges of vintage cards, which are not as clean cut. So all the little holes in the edges are not necessarily defects, but some might be part of the original cut of the cardboard. They need to make sure the system is accurately calibrated. I'd rather they get it right than rush.
You also have confidence because you get a grading report so you can tell why your card got the grade it did, and not just be guessing in cases similar to this, which happens in modern cards too.
My last PSA orders were the last couple of specials they ran before "The Shut Down". Ten bucks a card and done by people that knew how to grade. They are offering me 100 bucks off my next order, but i have no confidence in their bloated confusion. I miss Joe Orlando...
The 67’ Mantle Authentic ..that guy needs a piss test!! It’s way past time for a PSA reset!! Looking at my freshly slabbed PSA 59’ Drysdale in a “7” and thanking my lucky stars!! Sorry for your return…PSA Shame!!
From our blazer division, check out this 1959 Topps All Star Mickey Mantle, Psa 4!
Dealing with PSA it's like being in a Domestic Violence relationship. You ask any questions and you get punched in the face. Time for people to wake up.
These days, sometimes I think there's a lower ceiling for any vintage card from the 60s on back. Basically, the grading scale is 1-7 no matter what.
But there's no justifying such bad grades here. Its either unqualified graders or PSA is artificially lowering grades.
Some of those examples are as nice as I’ve seen. That ‘68 Rose when you turned it a certain way in the light truly looked pack fresh. This is unacceptable in inconsistency. I’ve had some of the exact same cards grade higher, but side by side would’ve definitely shown more wear and tear than your copies. Unacceptable inconsistency, especially for someone who uses their services to make a living as a dealer. Ridiculous. This one really did get under my skin.
I sent the most beautiful 1965 Joe Morgan into PSA, and it was amazing looking well centered and zero creases, and they gave it a 5. I will sent it back in one day.
I mean I feel like I've been shouting into the void for years about PSA's poor performance on grading vintage cards, but it seems to keep getting worse. I realize that this is your livelihood, and maximizing resale value means PSA still makes sense from a bottomline across-the-board perspective, but as a collector, there is absolutely no way I'm ever sending my PC vintage cards to PSA.
SGC is just so far superior in terms of honest grading and customer service, that they've become my only grader at this point.
I hope you can crack some of those ridiculous 4 grades and send them off to SGC for their deserved 7/8. And hopefully, the resale market on vintage finally realizes that SGC is really the only accurate vintage grader around and values react accordingly.
You have nothing to apologize for! I'd be losing my mind! Just Wow! I'm not even holding the cards and I can tell they are way better than graded. That Mantle especially. There needs to be an explanation. I'd be calling looking for one on that one
PSA has become a joke, but no one will stop using them. Are your cards really better off in a PSA slab if they grade 2 legs lower?
To be honest, when I saw that you and Baseball Collector said it was not even a discussion where to send the "grail collection" cards to for grading and that it was a simple resale value thing, my first thought was - Yeah maybe so but not if PSA gives you lower grades. And i realize these are probably not all grail collection cards in this particular video. But I've come to the comclusion that SGC is not only better but FAR better at grading vintage cards, pretty much since the COVID explosion of grading. PSA does not have enough good graders for vintage and it shows, not just here but on hundreds of TH-cam reveal videos. Yet people keep going back because "PSA sells for more." The truth is your SGC 6 will sell for more than your PSA 4.
I'd love to see you crack and submit all of these cards to SGC. I'm sure I'm not alone.
I have seen it in the comments many times before, PSA = Please Submit Again
Chris, dont feel bad about whining in this video because I would be absolutely PISSED with these grades!!! Its PSA so I am not surprised. This way they can make more money from you since they know you will probably crack most of these for resubs. Its sad, but I almost kinda expect these wild grades for most submissions. You have every right to be mad and let out your frustration.
Fuck PSA
It’s to the point why crack for a resub when you can get more for the card raw… Why waist the time and money???
My theory here is that PSA wants to drive vintage to their SGC brand. Over time, they want to have a very clear distinction in their total grading portfolio (PSA and SGC). This not only helps them operate more efficiently, but it makes their business easier to understand for investors . This last point is key as they will eventually become a publicly traded company and investors want clean, easy to follow businesses. They want to be able to say “PSA is modern, SGC is vintage”
This is the best rationality i have seen discussed, thus far. I'm going to keep this in mind....
From what little I can see in the vid, I would grade those cards as follows: Aparicio 6, Rose 8, 1967 Mantle 4, Yaz 8, 1959 Mantle 6, Robinson 5, Simpson 7, Mantle/Aaron 6, Stooges 7, DJ 9, Brown 7, Benge 4, Doerr 5. PSA absolutely needs to respond and be held accountable. Everyone makes mistakes, but those grades consistently show a lack of understanding of cards and grades. If they have any integrity, they'll have you resub and regrade at their cost. That's what any honest business that blew it would do.
Canceled my collectors membership last week. I think I made the right call. Thanks Chris!
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I have done more than a dozen submissions to SGC over the last two years (nearly all vintage, nearly all for PC). I have been planning to use PSA for the first time through a group submitter on 10 or so vintage cards I specifically would sell. I'm now reconsidering that strategy.
The inconsistency at PSA is getting ridiculous. I'm frustrated and I know many other people feel the same way. I wish the market would adjust for the quality of service but unfortunately PSA is still the best option financially for most cards.
If ppl would stop saying that then maybe we could get rid of them. Ppl need to stop hyping psa up as the more valuable slab.
PSA's new vintage grading manual:
"hold the card under the light, be very careful with the card and close your eyes. Use the force to think of a number under 4. Congratulations, you've just graded a card!"
PSA training for vintage is duddery, just did a sub of 21 cards and 5 came back mini sized for no reason. When last year did same type of sub went 75/75. Thanks for posting this as it wasn't just my last sub(s) they butchered too. I think they are getting themselves too backed up on the grading special submissions for which the quality control has gone "more out the window" 🙄
Is grading worth it with these cards and with PSA in the future if they continue to send back grades lower than the card actually is? Based on what you’ve taught us, it’s not!
So a lot of people have said that they get lower ratings based on how they shipped the cards to PSA and that the blue painters tape is the best way to secure the cards when shipping them to PSA
Perfect example of why I don’t send cards in for grading. All it is is someone’s opinion on the card. And evidently whoever graded these have no idea how to grade. Sorry ya got hosed.
We should get an auto +2 points for all of the extra hands on & handling of OUR cards lol.
e.g. MY card has been touched by ONLY me. I believe sending it to complete strangers who will touch & shuffle my card arnd multiple times for MONTHS is actually whats lowering the condition & possibly the value of MY original card.
I wonder if it’s a grading scam. If you look at the cards closely and get a poor grade are they hoping for you to crack it and resend, essentially getting paid double for the grading service?
The Yaz is a serious blazer! Explanations from PSA would be incredibly helpful. 1958 Brooks wins the Peyton Manning lookalike contest.
The reason why PSA is grading your ultra-vintage cards lower is because they want the populations of the higher graded ones to remain LOW/SCARCE. It makes sense IMO, especially if you're a holder of ultra-vintage high rated PSA cards.
Exactly helps there value for there buddies.
@jeffniles7121 Buddies, yes. I think so too.
Chris, you have the eye. Perhaps create your own sticker for 'exceptional eye appeal' grade.
Agree agree. I have about 15 high end cards and I don't think I'm going to use PSA. It's Time that they hold those cards in hand and explain in person why those grades were assigned.
The only thing puzzling about this is how you are still puzzled by their blatant price fixing.
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Carl and Sal loves this !!!!!
This is what happens when PSA hires 22 yr old graders with zero experience and put them thru their own "grading classes and certification." I have gotten many puzzling orders back from 1980s and 1990s cards that make no sense to me.
I watch too many psa reveals. So many cracks and resubs get graded way higher. Makes no sense. Psa is a scam
The 3 stooges card makes no sense whatsoever, they must be grading down for yellowing over time, which I’m not sure how you’d avoid
It's probably due to the absence of Shemp.
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Crazy it would be interesting to crack and see if the other side of PSA SGC does? As PSA becomes even more successful it seems like overall quality is going down
I recently submitted a 16 card order consisting of vintage Disney cards from the 50s, 60s and 70s and I too had several puzzlers; there were a couple 2s. several 4s and these cards are sharp; great color, clean surfaces, sharp corners and edges so I’m at a loss And with these new slabs it’s not like you can crack and resubmit, PSA made damn sure that doesn’t take place.
I love how Topps said, "Brooks, your 1957 rookie card is a handsome, happy card, but that's it for you; for your sophomore year, you're getting the 'gas face'."
Stop sending cards to PSA.
Did you mention your plan for these cards going forward? I hate that PSA continues to do this, yet they continue to have the most resale value, allowing this cycle to continue.
I noticed a minor surface ding in the ‘58 Aaron Mantle card in the top right corner area… but nothing that would make it a 3. A 3 suggests a full crease.
This is why I only send to BGS. Subgrades should be mandatory across the board. Even if it's not printed on the label.
Is PSA becoming stricter? There's a difference between stricter and being wildly off base. Wacky stuff!
Multiple investors/collectors have been posting the same videos. Send to PSA, get crap grades. Crack and send to SGC and get grades they originally expected. When this is happening across multiple card types and long time collectors it begs a long list of questions about PSA moving forward.
I started a collection of vintage music cards about a year and a half ago. Most of my cards are from other countries and the pops are under 20. I think I am going to leave the ungraded as they are. Seems like a waste of money. With such low pops, I"m not sure if grading them is worth it. The Hendrix I just bought hasn't gone for sale in two years. When you wait that long to buy a card, who cares if it's graded or not.
Is this just happening with vintage? If they keep doing this with vintage submissions, you might want to revisit using SGC. See if the higher grades in SGC holders make up for the higher values of PSA holders.
I have not noticed anything simmilar with my modern orders.
You now have me so worried about my vintage submission still sitting at PSA 🤞🤞🤞
You can recut handcut cards as long as the card is still at the minimum size. Paper cutters like schoolteachers use work extremely well.
Where do u find the min size requirements from the grading companies on handcut cards? I would be terrified to try this by winging it, for getting the dreaded "authentic" is a brutal kick in the balls.
@@doktorcopernikuss Paper editions of price guides. Or google. Psa also has a description page for most old sets which states their size. You need to be able to measure very precisely, and have a razor sharp cutter, but when you do it right you can get extremely high grades.
coming from someone who's probably submitted 20,000-30,000 cards to PSA, I used to share your frustration with grading vintage... In my experience there was a distinct difference in the way they graded vintage commons vs vintage stars, which is complete garbage.