Yeah there are 3 Ford Dealerships within 50 miles of where I live and all of them, without exception, are packed with vehicles and completely full lots
Hi, I'm the wife in question, it's true. Two days ago I had to rearrange the lot to try and puzzle piece MORE new inventory, while we still have plenty new stock. And as a result we have a very limited used vehicle selection.
@@kenzier.225 I just don’t understand how Ford or any other manufacturer expects the dealers to sell vehicles when most people are priced out entirely. The average household income in America is like $80,000. Some vehicles are significantly more than that. Unreal
@@jordanainsworth5589 it's a valid concern, profit margin is being abused at the corporate level, out of the dealers control. Our dealer is not allowed to go above "MSRP" for the vehicles unless they're special edition vehicles. And interest rates on used vehicles are predatory as well, I've seen interest rates on used vehicles as high as 30%..
Sooooo true. Paint and clear coat that gets chip damage your first trip on the freeway because they are sprayed too thin. Low quality interior materials with poor durability.
I’ve worked in large corporations for decades. Failure of these organizations can be easily tracked to executive bonuses and the failure of strategy in favor the short term bonus chasing by these Ivy League MBA quick buck artists.
The EPA gets a big chunk of the blame. They have made it insanely expensive to develop powertrains that meet all the requirements created by people that want internal combustion engines to go extinct.
Anyone who has worked in "large corporations" in a role of any relevance wouldn't make a statement like that. Very few execs in automotive hold an MBA from an IVY league school. In fact, they tend to defer to universities that specialize in these industries. Also, for the past two decades most MBA programs have taught extensively on long-term strategy and dedicate extensive coursework to it. You clearly watch too many movies and do not hold an MBA. Most auto manufacturers are looking at a ten year road map on a weekly basis.
@@afellowinnewengland6142 Mulally, Barra, Farley etc all hold credentials from Stanford, MIT, Georgetown, etc. Why would an automotive executive go to Harvard or Yale?
There is also the attitudes of the dealerships that keep me away. I was looking at the Maverick Tremor and asked to test drive and was told no. After 10-15min of peering through the window, a salesman comes up to me, says nothing and drives the Maverick away from me. Perhaps they were already in the middle of selling it but I'm not sure. I just decided that day that it's just not the time to buy. I had 10k down-payment and 17k trade, but I never tell the salesman that. I prefer to see how they treat me without knowing what I can afford.
It's not just Ford. Every major American company is operating that way. Disney no longer makes a profit, because it no longer makes movies and products for kids. Ford is a car company that no longer makes cars. This is all happened in the last 4 years of Biden/Democrats being in the White, abd forcing the Woke/DEI Agenda of failure on America's companies. While leaving the borders unprotected in a time of war with Russia? Americans better wake up to this threat. America's enemies have walked into America because of the open borders. And have infiltrated the country through politics and businesses. CEO's are failing their companies, but are not removed and replaced with competent people? For years losing money? But say they will not change so the company can be profitable? They refuse to give the customers what they want and ask for? Ford is a car company, but under Farley no longer makes cars? It's happening everywhere. It's not coincidence because people like Farley are not that ignorant. Just promises of riches for selling out to America's enemies. It's too prevelant to be simply coincidence. Hopefully America wakes up or there won't be an America in a decade. America's enemies are here because of the open borders. Why wouldn't they be with no one to stop them?
Since when do Salesmen at Car Dealerships not try to sell cars? It's a commission based job? Everything is becoming opposite of what it should be. And companies are going to go broke because of it. Companies no longer care about making a profit? I believe your comment sadly. Even though it defies explanation, because it is happening not at just your local dealership, but every dealership. And not just Ford but Chrysler too. Take care, and hope this madness ends soon for everyone's sake. And hope you can find ya a good slightly used truck, and save some money too. Peace.
The new Ram trucks just horrible. Quality seems to be non-existent. Selantis/Chrysler doesn't stand behind anything they build. This is just my opinion so take it for what it's worth.
I have three trucks a 1993 Chevy 3500, a toyota tundra 2021 v8, and a 2017 Nissan frontier When I get into the 1993 chevy with it roll up windows and a cassette player and bench seat And people come up to me at gas stations hey love the truck..it puts a smile on my face
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I bought my 2007 F150 in 2010 with 30k miles on it for $16,000. The truck still runs great at 130k miles on it and I can work on it myself! I'm going to keep this tuck until the wheels fall off!
That’s funny cause people buying new vehicles in the mid 2000s said the same thing….”I like the 80s and 90s vehicles cause I can work on them myself…..these new fangled vehicles are junk”
Last new truck I bought was in 2016...$44.8K...I thought I was a real baller...loved it...great quality...no issues.....now 120K miles, no issues still, paid for...NO WAY can I ever afford to replace it!!!!!!!
My last new 'truck' (Ridgeline) was loaded and $30k in 2012. Paid off years ago and not interested in paying, literally, more for new truck than for my first house.
Feature creep also keeps increasing insurance costs... bumpers and mirrors are thousands $$$ now because of so many sensors and lights and power this and that, every minor accident is a massive claim. It's nuts.
Yeah talk about it. My 79 Subaru got T-boned and bent in the passenger fender, bent the frame, bent the wheel, broke a knuckle and an axle. It cost $1800 to fix including shipping the only fender I could find from New Mexico to Massachusetts, shipping the wheel from PA to MA, getting a knuckle from New Hampshire, new ball joint, new axle, frame repair, etc. $1800 including labor. The guy that crashed into me? $5500 for minor damage to his bumper on his 07 Acura RDX that caused no drivability issues. Absolutely insane what it costs to fix these newer cars when major damage repair on a rare, 45 year old car cost significantly less.
Its a catch 22. Insurance is extra because all the parts cost so much, but they charge you even more if you don’t have the safety feature that make the parts more expensive.
F150 trucks USED TO have a real 8 foot bed, great for transporting 4x8 sheets of plywood! NOW because they decided to make the cab 4 doors and shrink the bed to 6 feet makes it useless for single people who work in the construction industry.
That’s not the core market anymore though. It’s the white collar guys buying pick ups. Even the single construction guys don’t want regular cab, 8 ft bed basic trucks anymore. All the new ones I see are nice crew cabs with big wheels and low profile (for a truck) tires.
There is a massive need for just a cheap reliable 'Work' pickup truck. In the 80s and 90s they were everywhere. They came with crank windows, rubber mats, manual door locks and the biggest thing that you wanted in a work truck was a radio, A/C and a cup holder. That was all you needed. A pickup truck now is like driving a Cadillac in the 90s and you don't need all that stuff for a work truck. (people in the trades)
@@gags730I sold my pretty much loaded f250 lariat last year. I bought a 2003 Chevy k15 short bed, regular cab. Manual locks and windows, ac, 4.3 motor, 43k miles and in pristine condition. It’s a great truck.
When I was growing up, trucks were work vehicles. Nobody had one that wasnt for work, then the 70s came along and they became lifestyle vehicles, pretty girls with cowboy hats were on the pick up truck commersials, and eventually there were luxury trucks, people wanted more for their truck dollar. Now you get a truck for what you pay for your mortgage payment, and crazily, theyre still selling, for now.
@@auntiefiat9769 Agree with you but finding a decent used one seems more difficult nowadays as people tend to use things harder these days and dont always maintain them as they should. Looked at 2020-2021 Tundras, but to find a good one with low miles brought you close to 55k and then you need to make sure they just changed the oil frequently and did not go the 10k as per the owners manual.
Umm...well not everyone wants or likes the same type of liner..I for one DON'T want a standard liner in the bed. Sounds like you're not the target market.
@@afellowinnewengland6142 I'd imagine if you asked someone who was buying a truck if they wanted a bed liner most would say yes even if they rarely put stuff back there because when you do it's going to f the paint all up. Every truck I see out there had a bed liner in it including my truck. The only reason why trucks don't come with one is money. They want you to check the box and pay an extra 500-1500 for one. Even if they put like a all weather type floor mat in there that covered just the bottom and was easily removable would perfectly fine.
@@CoopaCoop What you don't understand is there are many different types of bed liners. I don't want a standard liner because I'm not likely to prefer what they use. Some people want removable plastic style, some want spray on, some folks install equipment racks and trays and don't want the liner in the way, etc. Sometimes people prefer the price and brand of an aftermarket option. Just because YOU think something should be a certain way doesn't mean the rest of us want it.
When i bought my tremor I told them to throw in a tonneau cover and bedliner and they did without too much haggling, Just ask - theyre gonna throw in a few accessories to make the sale - otherwise ill go to the other ford dealer up the road.
Fukk da bedliner. Gimme the spray in stuff. Far more durable and lasting. I have an OLD F150 with a bedliner and a Ram 1500 with spray in liner. The spray in liner is THE BEST.
So right, a lot of good cars were turned in for “cash” just to be ruined thanks to Obumbo an demorats! Yet people are so stupid to still vote for them. I still think this is a plot to force Americans to go to public transportation!
A v6 turbo charged, direct injected ego boost is going to cost someone a fortune when it gets 100k miles on it. Especially if you’re changing the oil at 7500k miles or more. Labor and parts are so expensive these days, people can’t afford to fix their cars, even if they’re still making payments. Vehicles are too expensive. Some people say wages are too low but I don’t know about that. If wages went up, the price of everything else would go up and we’d be right where we are now. We’re getting fucked is what’s happening
I'll openly admit the tech has come a long way in the last decade, but you cannot defy the laws of physics. Those parts spin at insanely high speeds and generate a LOT of heat My wife has a Ford Edge ST and those turbo's are packed in so tight (with little to no ventilation) it's unbelievable and obvious they only cared if it got out of the warranty period. I personally wouldn't keep a turbo charged vehicle for more than 75K. After that you are just on borrowed time. The simple solution is to stick with N/A. I wish that wasn't the case as turbo's really do pack a whallop in terms of boosting power but the eventual outcome just isn't worth it.
Yeah...How many trucks do you see on the road with bashed & damaged tailgates? That trick tailgate just looks like an expensive Not-really-necessary accessory...
Corporate greed and price gouging is largely to blame for inflation. Inflation goes up 3%, so businesses raise their price 6%. Proof is that many businesses are making record profits - those that can get away with it.
Which are making record profits? Air bnb is losing, home depot is losing, car brands are losing sales, hell even McDonalds and Dollar tree are experiencing a decline in year over year revenue
@michaelfranks341 he used percentages muppet...cost of living always goes up but that doesn't mean you can just charge 3k more every year. Inflation hasn't matched car price increases since pre pandemic and corporate greed has never been higher
It's the people's fault for trashing companies that were modest in the interiors and trims levels. The reason the Ford and Ram truck lineups are so abscenely expensive is because they got into a tit-for-tat to see who could come out with the most luxury focused trim with the highest price tag. Ford with the Limited trim and Ram with the Tungsten trim. Half-ton trucks that pushed prices to new record highs and every trim level below those trims jumped up in price. That's why a crappy XLT stickers for $60k and a Laramie is $65k.
The F-150 'two door' is actually a 4 door Supercab with bonus longer front doors than the Crewcab version. Plenty of storage space in the rear seat area. I removed the rear seats to carry camping gear, a fridge and power station etc. Perfect truck cab size for a single guy with a dog (me) or adventurous family without kids. Usually means a longer, more useful box as well. Similar design to the Ram quad cab or much smaller Tacoma access cab. The Supercab is not only less money but far more practical for many of us truck owners. I ordered a close to base Supercab XLT FX4 in 22 for 35K and no problams or recalls, it's been a great truck. But I could never afford the crazy prices now.
The Ford Ranger is wildly popular in Thailand. But the number one truck in Thailand is still the Toyota Hilux Turbo Diesel, with no stupid DEF system. I wish I could buy one in the US.
Had zero issues with my 2014, zero issues with my 2020, Love my 2024 lariat. All 3 had, have the 3.5l ecoboost. All have been solid performance. No thanks GM , not interested in a 4 cylinder turbo in a full sized truck.
@@hochhaul do they give this engine in the suv,s ? If not, why? I have a coworker who bought a new GMC with a 2.7l. He never made it home from the stealership before the engine grenaded. GMC proud right there!! Ala Gods Mechanical Curse!!!!!!!
@@michaelfrohn255 Sounds like all those Ford Broncos that were grenading engines. Plus all the brand new F-150's with grenading engines. The Ford dealer just down the road from me has a brand new F-150 missing an engine because a valve decided to check out. Found On Road Dead holds true year after year LOL
I've heard that the Ranger isn't selling well, from dealers. For the price difference people are buying the f 150. I rode in a friend's ranger felt like a sardine in a can. He felt the same way and went traded it in after 1 year for full size. I see more Mavericks on the road than rangers.
In 2014 I was looking for a new small truck and really wanted a Ranger. Rangers were overpriced then, They were out of my budget. I settled for a Nissan frontier which was also overpriced IMO.
In 2005, the price of a Ford F-150 varied depending on the model, trim level, and options. On average, the base model of a Ford F-150 started around $18,000 to $20,000. However, higher-end models and trims, such as the Lariat or King Ranch, could cost upwards of $30,000 to $40,000 or more, depending on the configuration and additional features.
I keep seeing videos like this claiming Ford, Dodge, Jeep, etc. are too expensive and the brands are going down. I agree the prices are ridiculously high, but I live in GA and see the roads full of these overpriced vehicles. I just wonder how they can afford it?
That's the thing. They can't afford them. What is happening now is banks are extending loans at linger terms like the gentleman above me said. You can afford 70k payment if it's stretched over 8 years. 70k before interes and down-payment would be 729 (still too high in my opinion) but over the life of the loan you're more than likely paying double 70k. If banks stopped lending at these extended rates you'd see a massive crash in the market. But you know how it goes. The government props the banks and hedge funds and other corporations to stop crashes by bailing them out and making lending standards longer My opinion is after 3 to 4 years of driving every day your gonna get screwed with a massive mechanic bill as cars inevitably wear and tear over time. The more crap the crambn into these vehicles the longer it takes to fix them and making them complicated racks up labor hours. In the end you will see at some point a major crash because this isn't sustainable.
@@razial1000 And how many will keep the vehicle for 8 years? My guess very few so they will up upside-down and so far in debt. I tend to keep my vehicle for 10 years or more. That doesn't mean I want to pay on it for 8 years. I like not having a payment after 4 or 5 years.
The ridiculous over pricing and unnecessary features will end quickly if consumers just simply stop buying the products. Buy older used vehicles and maintain them properly.
Man, recently I grabbed a 1997 Dodge Dakota 3.9 V6 from an estate. This truck is so simple, so easy to work on. So much room in the engine compartment. It has power NOTHING in the interior. Stereo is shyte. However, this thing is a little tank. Been off-roading 7 times now, and she tanks everything I throw at it. Doesn't have a lick of speed: I barely pulled away from a Prius yesterday...yes, for real. Highway passing power in today's world of over-priced speed demons is non-existent, but damn if she doesn't put smiles on my face every single time I come flying out of a deep, muddy, water hole. Compare/Contrast that to my F150, where every time I take her off-road I break something. I have really developed an appreciation for these older vehicles as I, myself, have gotten older.
@@AyaWetts Yeah, then buy a 20k vehicle. Don't go out and spend 80k that you don't have plus interest on it. This upcoming recession will flatten them all out.
It makes me sad that we as people have become such cattle.. we get herded into which camp is better. I can tell you that as a blue-collar worker, results speak for themselves. Our company has used Chevrolet product for decades, and we absolutely abuse them. However, they just keep going. The truth is most manufacturers would, the reason I say that is because when we break one, we just get it fixed. It wouldn't matter what brand it is. We have had some heavy duty Ford's, blew the transmissions in those, and we just fix them and keep using them till eventually all of them have too many miles and we send them all to auction. The reality is buy what you like. You will take care of it, fix it, and enjoy it because it is what you wanted and like. The truth is they all have problems. Just cross your fingers you don't happen to get the lemon from the batch. Life is too short to act like your vehicle is better than the next. I still see 50 year old Fords and Chevy's on the road. That tells me when you love it, you will take care of it.
People freak out at playing $60,000-$100,000 for many to get a useless college degree and want the government to bail their debt out. But many will happily pay $75,000-$100,000 or more for a pickup truck. The world has gone nuts since the COVID debacle.
The government will bail out these vehicle manufacturers as always, so why not just bail everyone out. At least bail out the folks that are living check to check trying to pay back uncle sam for that sweet sweet college loan that they were brain washed into thinking they needed to get a job.
@@egregiousblunder5395 The problem is many people think government bailouts are like get out of jail free cards.....no such thing as a true bailout, the costs of such are ultimately carried by tax payers through increased government deficits.
@@egregiousblunder5395 True.... That is the difference between free market economy and corporatism. But we elect politicians who love to give money away to corporate interests. In a free market economy no business is too big to fail. Any business that does will see it's assets bought up and what was it's market share picked up by its competitors. Employees may suffer some disruption, that's what unemployment insurance was for and many will be absorbed into the competitors that soaked up the failed business market share. Never forget that lobbyists don't hold guns to elected officials heads, but that the politicians play footsie with corporate lobbyists.
Ten years ago a f150 Limited was going for $60k (almost 90k in today’s money) and Ford couldn’t build enough of them. Maybe the middle class just disappeared?
Bought a 2014 XLT 5.0 CPO in 2017 with 15k on the clock. Perfect Car Fax. Paid 27k. Original owner took the depreciation hit. I'm maintaining it very well and keeping it forever!
@@hochhaulSo I've been told. May sound crazy but I try to stay off the roads when it snows (it's a 4X4 off road) and the very few times I do go out I immediately wash the entire under side, including wheel wells, with two spray attachments I use on a garden hose that remains outside and drained after each use. I will usually use my wife's Camry when the roads are salty. Camry is an '05 with zero rust, they galvanize the bodies in a zinc bath. Also rails the cargo box sits on are prone to rust. Yes, I am a maintenance fanatic. Thank you for commenting.
And...don't forget the tiny lil engines are pushed to the limit with turbos, etc. I am a V8 man, till I die ( in a truck) ford is recalling 600,000 trucks too!
Look at the used trucks in the vid. 1 year old and they're selling them, as is no warranty. Even Ford knows they're shitboxes and won't guarantee them.
@mikefleek9259 The 2.7 is extremely overbuilt. It's probably the best engine block on the market. The 2.7 bottom end is estimated to handle over 800hp/tq. The motor makes 300hp and 400tq. The recalls isn't a design flaw, but material used on the valves. Shame, but not all 2.7 will be affected they will be tested, and if they passed they are good to go. If they fail the test ford will replace them.
Thing is, you can always order/buy a basic work truck for around $40k. I think ford calls it the XL and Chevy calls it a WT. This would be most comparable to the trucks of yesteryear. Don’t get me wrong. $40k is still a lot, but it’s a WHOLE lot better than the $80-100k peeps keep complaining about
Ford is a car company that has made cars for 120 years. Yet, Jim Farley comes up with the brilliant idea that Ford should no longer manufacture cars. Even though the mid-size car market is up 20% in 2024. How can you be a car company and not make cars? How can Jim Farley still be CEO of Ford instead of working at McDonald's where he belongs? Jim Farley strikes me as a person intent on bankrupting Ford Motor Co. Why do companies no longer listen to their customers, and no longer offer products that customers want and can actually afford?
I used to 'help' my dad work on his truck and his Rambler sedan. He ended up loaning me the Rambler for a few months, and I worked on it once by myself (oil change). That was a 1966 model and I worked on it in '76, just a while before catalytic converters and computers ect. made it next to impossible to work on in your driveway!
This happened before...I got a 2013 F150. A few days later I was going 50 mph and it downshifted to 1 st gear. I took it back to the dealer and they checked the trans ,then loaded a new program in the pcm and fixed it. I still have it and 51000 miles still ok.
Nobody needs all the bells and whistles, which runs the cost UP 10K, there work trucks, if you want bells and Whistles buy a luxury car, so many people buy pick up trucks and really don't have a need for a truck, which in my opinion is for work, and should built for such.
Exactly ... but "big manly man" needs a big truck to prove he's a "big manly man". Ugh! It's all about image even if it costs them an arm and a leg. Average americans are morons.
A dealer with a used 2023 lease return with 12,000 on it that was priced all of $5,000 off new list price told me they could come down another $1,000 on it the other day. 😂
My wife and I just got back from a week and a half long trip from South Texas to Colorado to tour the sites and back. Along the way I noticed that every single dealership regardless of the brand was totally packed with vehicles there were no empty spots on any lot. Let me add, that I have a 2014 GMC Sierra and it’s a medium trim level truck, I bought it used two years ago. As I said, we just got back from a vacation in Colorado and over 22 miles to the gallon for the entire trip I was very impressed. And yes, it does have the 5.3 L multi displacement engine.
Fifteen years of near zero interest rates gave us the $65K pickup and homes costing double there worth! Federal debt of $35T and counting and $1.4T in consumer CC debt. Free money created all of todays financial problrms!
Bought a used 2023 Silverado 1500 4x4 with the Duramax last November with 3000 miles. Paid $52k out the door. Pickup had a door sticker of $62k. Your spot on on not taking the depreciation hit on the new. All warranty’s were still intact.
So does Ford's e-coating. My 2019 F-150 had rust spreading out from every weld on the frame, right off the dealer lot. If you live in an area where vehicles are exposed to salt and moisture, you have to be proactive about rust.
Why are Pickups strictly a North American preference? Because of Stupidity and Ego. We like the Height. The Power. Keep up with the Jones. Soccer mom's included. What a bunch of Nonsense. I'm in Mexico just now. The only pickups here, very few, are overloaded with water jugs or farm help. That makes sense. Best Fuel Economy Vehicle is a Ford 150 with 14 farm laborers in the back! I have Traveled Extensively. Everywhere else Globally? That needs to move personal cargo? They use a light trailer behind the family car. Often it's the trailer is the yard waste container. When full, pulled to the landfill. Unless you have something heavy to tow. Totally hilarious. You need to spend $80,000 USD to haul around a truck box full of air? Thank you for the chuckle.
Last I checked we live in a country that allows people to do what they want with their own money. But hey, I guess some people feel that the CCP has the right mindset.
@@kmonto1971 you really took that the wrong way. The point is valid. If noone purchased a new vehicle at these prices, they would have to lower the prices to sell them. Supply and demand was the point of the comment. It wasn't meant as some controlling you and what you do with your money comment.
Still breaks down less than the trash rolling off the line at FoMoCo. Can't even buy a basic F-150 without worrying the 2.7 or 5.0 is going to drop a valve or the transmission grenades.
Recently a young woman ran into my '09 Avalanche. It was her fault. Geico wanted to total my truck. I talked them into fixing it. Thank God. I will drive it until I die even if I have to get a new motor and/or tranny and/or blah, blah, blah. The world's gone nuts and all I want to do is tend to my garden until the end, one way or the other. Thank you for a very good summary of the current state of the truck/auto industry. We're all down a rabbit hole.
I live in the same area as this guy and went to those dealerships when I was shopping for my last truck. He goes to those dealers on Sundays when they are closed, but I can tell you that on a Saturday the Ford dealer was almost empty and Peterson Chevrolet was crawling with people. The GMC dealer I ended up at was so busy I had to wait for a sales person to help me. Ford has some problems... people will tolerate recalls and reliability issues, but they won't keep paying those prices.
@@richardlively1666 Toyota is not having engine or programming issues, you know why? They don't have idyot engineers kneejerking design every model changes without proper testing. Theyy evolve gradually never sacrificing reliability
@KingfishStevens-di9ji Oh boy has nobody told you? Oh brother they are having by far the worst issues especially engine issues now that they started to make their trucks note complicated that a stick
I work out at the Ford Claycomo Plant and we’re actually ramping up the F-150 production! They’re working more hours and days than the Transit side of the plant.
I called ford and told them I'm having financial difficulties and I need to missed the next 3 payments. They said no problem. Lol, I guess they are afraid of the economy collapsing, so they're trying to help in any way they can.
BS. They are not going to let you slide on 3 months payments. They do a month at most, but not 3. Either way all they will do it tack it back on the back end of the payment with interests. That's not helping people.
I own the 2024 GMC sierra elevation with the 2.7 in red and i absolutely love it. It is VERY quick and i get 27 MPG on the highway. It's very impressive.
I want metal bumpers fit to destroy a Toyota Camry. Manual windows, vinyl bench seat, AM/Fm radio with usb stick, A/C, cruise control, automatic, choice of 6 or 8 gas & diesel, trailer hitch, full length bed. And a place in the dash for adding navigation/CB/ cellphone mount Also the fuel pump,tail lights, headlight & grill replacements should be cheap
@@carlstrohm3785 as do I, I hate having my vehicle damaged by poor drivers in trashy econoboxes. I should have wrote minivans or kia. It doesn't take much of a bumper to resist a small car
It’s crazier in Canada where the manufacturers don’t offer much in the way of discounts. GM is offering 0% financing for 72 months now, though. 2019 I passed on a 19 F150 XLT 2.7 4x4. It was $37900 brand new during the employee pricing event. That equivalent truck today, with the same incentive is $64000. There is nothing to explain that other than greed.
I had a dealership tell me it will cost me around $10,000 more to have all the extra bad driver aids taken out of the truck, all I want is power windows door locks and a back up camera for hooking up my trailers. I don’t need anything else I know how to drive and stay in my lane and do this thing called shoulder checking.
Bought a 2024 Lariat F150 two months ago. $9000.00 off sticker and a fair trade in value for my 2017. You have to be willing to negotiate or walk away..
Got 8k off of my 2023 lariat powerboost last September. Took a month of negotiating. Dealer would call me twice a week. I kept saying no until they got my payment where I wanted it. Which I knew they'd need to drop the price 8k to accomplish.
Haggling is fun. Hard to get dealers to play the game the past few years. I thoroughly enjoy it, but I don’t go in unprepared. Sometimes it takes a week of back and forth. Best in my life was getting a 2013 F150 XLT msrp at $44k at $28k otd. Full disclosure had a 2011 ranger as a trade but it wasn’t no where near paid off. It’s really the thrill of the hunt. Most of the time I hit my mark but sometimes I miss. If it takes a week of back and forth it’s like following a blood trail into the night. But I get it, nowadays people don’t like negotiating. They’d rather just get one price and that’s it. If you don’t ask for more you’ll never know what else you could get.
There isn't a parts shortage anymore. Ford actually raised its MSRP just so dealer mark ups didn't seem so ridiculous. All dealers kept prices high and manufacturers did too. There is no way a truck that is 20k overpriced can be bought by someone that has minimum wage buying power.
After their 5.4 ..3 v with the timeing chain, cam phaser, 3 pc spark plug...never have i ever owned a money pit like that piece of sheet, nor will I again
These new ecoboosts are trash. Belt driven oil pump, fuel pumps disintegrating trashes the whole $15,000 fuel system lines rails and injectors, $300 plastic oil pans that leak and cannot be reused. Ford is done.
I bought my 2004 XLT regular cab 5.4 brand new. It’s never needed anything more than regular maintenance. So far it’s been a perfect vehicle but I’m always worried there’s a catastrophic failure just about to happen due to the horrible reputation these engines have.
@garysloan4539 got a good one, I hear slug is what messes the timeing chain, oil pump is a bit weak for that motor, big thing to keep in running is oil changes, that's what sucks buying used,
Good video. Interesting info. The one issue I have with respect to saying "used is less" and then showing some of the pricing, there is no mention of what the mileage is on these vehicles. If it's a smokin' good deal, generally speaking, it's due to the truck having higher mileage. I feel this is the only piece not covered and missing from making this a very accurate and note worthy video.
Nice to read a comment from someone that knows what they are talking about. Reckless spending Inflation and that ridiculous UAW contract they agreed to.
This is why I’m still driving my 2002 Silverado 4x4 that I bought new for $23,675. I just turned 100,000 miles still have original spark plugs. I was offered 25,000 cash for it last week “excellent condition” but turned it down. I won’t be buying a new truck ever again.
I'm a Ford guy. My first car was a hot rod 1968 Fairlane. But these truck prices are just stupid...from all manufacturers. But GM and Ram seem to be understanding the current market better than Ford. Oh well...if their truck sales tank, they'll learn. That's what's great about free market competition. 👍
You are correct I have had several and do not work them I don’t Ranch or Farm and am not in the building trades because I want a full-size car that no one produces anymore with a V 8 I need room I’m a built Body builder 6’5” 300 I need room and want comfort
@@kmonto1971 It's actually very simple. Subtract the number of trucks owned by businesses that REALY need tracks, from the number of trucks on the road.
If you want to sell trucks, you have to bust the UAW. These guys make way too much money clocking in that over $80-$100 per hour to support the quicker and the other manufactures go bankrupt the quicker these contracts can be renegotiated to make cars more affordable.
I bought a new 1990 f150 300cu in straight 6 5sp stick , paid $9,800. It was a great work truck. In 10yrs it had 200k + mi. And zero paint left on it. I was told that they used H2O base paint. It’s just been downhill ever since. The 2000s they were blowing plugs. When I was looking mid 2000s over 30,000 plugs had blown out the heads. Ford said there was nothing wrong with the motors. No warranty on the plugs. I bought a Ram 2500 30% less than Ford or Chevy. I loved that truck. Now I have a Toyota.
In my hometown, they have not lowered the prices yet. They are an independent dealership. If you don't buy it from them, they will not do any warranty work, they will tell you to take it back to the dealership you bought it from. That's why people buy GM products. Their lot is full to the max. The prices around here in Texas are higher than the ones you showed.
I'm old enough to remember when I could buy a HOUSE for 100K!
I'm old enough to remember when my parents built our new house for $4,000. (It was 1954)
@@avlisk -ok, you got me......i'm only 57 lol
Same ..... I bought a waterfront 2 bedroom 70s era house for $118k back in 1988 ....
My 1st house was 40k. My second house was 93k.
My first well built 2000 sq ft house was $12,000.
My wife works at a Ford dealership and is struggling to sell anything. Every customer walks in, baulks at the price, then leaves
Yeah there are 3 Ford Dealerships within 50 miles of where I live and all of them, without exception, are packed with vehicles and completely full lots
Hi, I'm the wife in question, it's true. Two days ago I had to rearrange the lot to try and puzzle piece MORE new inventory, while we still have plenty new stock. And as a result we have a very limited used vehicle selection.
@@kenzier.225 I just don’t understand how Ford or any other manufacturer expects the dealers to sell vehicles when most people are priced out entirely. The average household income in America is like $80,000. Some vehicles are significantly more than that. Unreal
@@jordanainsworth5589 it's a valid concern, profit margin is being abused at the corporate level, out of the dealers control. Our dealer is not allowed to go above "MSRP" for the vehicles unless they're special edition vehicles. And interest rates on used vehicles are predatory as well, I've seen interest rates on used vehicles as high as 30%..
I agree. How did these trucks cost the same price as Corvettes? Unbelievable
All are too much, beyond reason. First time in my adult life that I am unable to purchase a new vehicle. I refuse to try to buy at these prices.
I bought a 2024 half ton that I was very happy with the price and financing. It's not a Ford. Ford wants insane money for even a crappy XLT trim.
Buy yourself a 2012 Camry with 200k miles. It will probably last longer than the new crap.
@@MarzNet256 Look for a Camry without the pos 3.5L v6.
@@hochhaul Correct.
Thank for Union Laborers. Ford just trying to cover the labor costs.
Trucks went to shit when they started building them for Soccer moms and not for work!
so true
You can thank Ram for that.
Sooooo true. Paint and clear coat that gets chip damage your first trip on the freeway because they are sprayed too thin. Low quality interior materials with poor durability.
90% of people buying trucks use them as they would use a sedan. School trips, drive to the store, office. No work being done ....
@@frdert9477exactly. The soccer moms aren’t the only problem. The white collar trucks are just as bad.
When you drive by these dealerships and see the bloated inventories you know something is wrong. The selling prices are way too high.
I’ve worked in large corporations for decades. Failure of these organizations can be easily tracked to executive bonuses and the failure of strategy in favor the short term bonus chasing by these Ivy League MBA quick buck artists.
Lol, yeah
The EPA gets a big chunk of the blame. They have made it insanely expensive to develop powertrains that meet all the requirements created by people that want internal combustion engines to go extinct.
Anyone who has worked in "large corporations" in a role of any relevance wouldn't make a statement like that. Very few execs in automotive hold an MBA from an IVY league school. In fact, they tend to defer to universities that specialize in these industries. Also, for the past two decades most MBA programs have taught extensively on long-term strategy and dedicate extensive coursework to it. You clearly watch too many movies and do not hold an MBA. Most auto manufacturers are looking at a ten year road map on a weekly basis.
@@afellowinnewengland6142 Mulally, Barra, Farley etc all hold credentials from Stanford, MIT, Georgetown, etc. Why would an automotive executive go to Harvard or Yale?
@@KingfishStevens-di9ji Why are you telling me? I agree.
HOW ABOUT A DAMN 8FT BOX!!!! Some of us actually work with the truck!
Thank you I feel the same way about that 8ft box.
My 2012 6.2 f250 has one of those. Has 479k miles on it and it still runs like a scalded dog. Pulls heavy loads fine too. I love that truck.
8ft. is too short.
I can live in the 8’ bed!!
These baby beds are honestly embarrassing, 5ft is almost useless.
There is also the attitudes of the dealerships that keep me away.
I was looking at the Maverick Tremor and asked to test drive and was told no. After 10-15min of peering through the window, a salesman comes up to me, says nothing and drives the Maverick away from me. Perhaps they were already in the middle of selling it but I'm not sure. I just decided that day that it's just not the time to buy. I had 10k down-payment and 17k trade, but I never tell the salesman that. I prefer to see how they treat me without knowing what I can afford.
It's not just Ford. Every major American company is operating that way. Disney no longer makes a profit, because it no longer makes movies and products for kids. Ford is a car company that no longer makes cars. This is all happened in the last 4 years of Biden/Democrats being in the White, abd forcing the Woke/DEI Agenda of failure on America's companies. While leaving the borders unprotected in a time of war with Russia? Americans better wake up to this threat. America's enemies have walked into America because of the open borders. And have infiltrated the country through politics and businesses. CEO's are failing their companies, but are not removed and replaced with competent people? For years losing money? But say they will not change so the company can be profitable? They refuse to give the customers what they want and ask for? Ford is a car company, but under Farley no longer makes cars? It's happening everywhere. It's not coincidence because people like Farley are not that ignorant. Just promises of riches for selling out to America's enemies. It's too prevelant to be simply coincidence. Hopefully America wakes up or there won't be an America in a decade. America's enemies are here because of the open borders. Why wouldn't they be with no one to stop them?
Since when do Salesmen at Car Dealerships not try to sell cars? It's a commission based job? Everything is becoming opposite of what it should be. And companies are going to go broke because of it. Companies no longer care about making a profit? I believe your comment sadly. Even though it defies explanation, because it is happening not at just your local dealership, but every dealership. And not just Ford but Chrysler too. Take care, and hope this madness ends soon for everyone's sake. And hope you can find ya a good slightly used truck, and save some money too. Peace.
Only reason they are selling is because dealers are giving 10k off. Dodge is giving 20k off. All junk
The new Ram trucks just horrible. Quality seems to be non-existent. Selantis/Chrysler doesn't stand behind anything they build. This is just my opinion so take it for what it's worth.
and people keep buying
Dodge transmission will go out about 60-70k Miles 🤣🤯😳🫤🫨😵😵💫😩😬🙄🥱
@@skullIsland41 actually that is GM. Dodge fixed the transmission issues years ago, I just read an article that GM is having transmission issues
10k off of $83,000 is $73,000. I seen the 10k off on a sign at our local dealer and stopped to look. I am not impressed.
$80,000 for a truck with a turbo 6 cylinder is insane. Atleast put a V8 in it.
Unfortunately, that ship has sailed.
Why ?
They offer both- it's the buyers choice.
Drive an ecoboost
It is not possible to do a V8 anymore. CAFE and EPA regs and climate agenda are not possible to meet with a V8. Elections matter.
How about a basic standard cab with an 8' bed for under 30 that you can do truck things with and not cry every time you scratch it.
Used
Used prices on trucks are just as bad as new. @@gtrance3567
Standard cab with a 8ft bed, nowadays would be a special order vehicle. I doubt any dealer has one on their lot.
@mr.Lumpy3803 Ford dealership told me I had to buy a fleet of them.
@@johnliberty3647 yeah that's a shame, some people don't need the big mega cab and all the luxury, and want a basic pickup.
I have three trucks a 1993 Chevy 3500, a toyota tundra 2021 v8, and a 2017 Nissan frontier
When I get into the 1993 chevy with it roll up windows and a cassette player and bench seat
And people come up to me at gas stations hey love the truck..it puts a smile on my face
Remember when Ford used to say back in the day "Quality is Job 1"
Now, quality is uhh, umm, job 25, 49 oh hell they dont know!
Good call
Quality is “Job None.”
It's not Quality anymore, it's Quity!
Jim said 2 years ago that he was going after engineers in. Harge of quality. Here we are, and they still have issues.
Job number 1 is now:
Comply with global directive #1: "You will own nothing"
By hook, by crook... you will own nothing.
If they make the products so bad that you stop buying them... you will own nothing
If they make them so expensive that you _can't_ buy them.... you will own nothing
If they make them so unsafe that you're _too scared_ to buy them... you will own nothing.
Welcome.... to The Great Reset.... Sort-of. More like a Reboot to a new, modern feudalism. And you... my good sir; are a slave.... Oh but not by name; they learned not to _call_ you a slave, lest you revolt; or be freed by those pesky "humanitarian" types (Turns out, they're not all bad! Just *nearly* all of them). Yes yes! You're still a citizen... you're just not "more equal than others;" You're not a "Super Citizen," as they might say. Oh, but don't worry, its "mostly just a fancy title, there's nothing you're missing out on... Just the freedoms you have now, that they're already stealing form you left and right. But you don't have any use for them to be honest.... I mean you had it, and you gave it up the split second they said "Lockdown!" Gleefully, even. You had it.... but you refused to do anything but post complaints online as your sons were coached into self-castration, and your daughters were lulled into self-sterilization. You had freedom. But you gave it up for comfort and convenience; and then you lost your legacy. You had freedom, and you refused to ensure you learned how to think critically... refused to ensure your children knew how. So you were easily swayed, and they were easily taken. The lot of you, easily controlled. Basically _already_ a slave. They told you who "you can't" vote for. Then they told you who you even _can_ vote for (nobody likes her, so naturally, it's not up to you). And in the end, nobody will remember you. You don't even remember yourself, do you? They way you used to be? Nobody will remember your family, either. Once the last of your sentient family members fade away.
Humanity will die in the dark as the species is converted into low-sentience, organic automatons; living in pods, eating bugs, while being harvested for brain computational power.... or caloric energy.... could be either one... maybe both. But don't worry... VR will be free. The Simulation is always free. Free for you at least.... _prisons_ have always been like that.
*It's going to be a Brave New World, in 1984.* You're not gonna want to miss it.
*Unless.... you have something you want to DO about it.* Not much time now... if you're considering. There's only about a month until the the curtain raises on the future.
I bought my 2007 F150 in 2010 with 30k miles on it for $16,000. The truck still runs great at 130k miles on it and I can work on it myself! I'm going to keep this tuck until the wheels fall off!
That’s funny cause people buying new vehicles in the mid 2000s said the same thing….”I like the 80s and 90s vehicles cause I can work on them myself…..these new fangled vehicles are junk”
Last new truck I bought was in 2016...$44.8K...I thought I was a real baller...loved it...great quality...no issues.....now 120K miles, no issues still, paid for...NO WAY can I ever afford to replace it!!!!!!!
💯👍😎👌
Right there with ya, 40k was my cut off
Same here bought new 14 F150 for 34k cnd I can never afford another truck.
My last new 'truck' (Ridgeline) was loaded and $30k in 2012. Paid off years ago and not interested in paying, literally, more for new truck than for my first house.
My current truck is an 04 F150, no issues, even with the 5.4 3v, I would like to get a new one before I retire, but these prices are crazy.
This country is crazy! They assume the minimum wage is $50 🤪
maybe for high class, definitely not average citizens.
Feature creep also keeps increasing insurance costs... bumpers and mirrors are thousands $$$ now because of so many sensors and lights and power this and that, every minor accident is a massive claim. It's nuts.
Yeah talk about it. My 79 Subaru got T-boned and bent in the passenger fender, bent the frame, bent the wheel, broke a knuckle and an axle. It cost $1800 to fix including shipping the only fender I could find from New Mexico to Massachusetts, shipping the wheel from PA to MA, getting a knuckle from New Hampshire, new ball joint, new axle, frame repair, etc. $1800 including labor. The guy that crashed into me? $5500 for minor damage to his bumper on his 07 Acura RDX that caused no drivability issues. Absolutely insane what it costs to fix these newer cars when major damage repair on a rare, 45 year old car cost significantly less.
Its a catch 22. Insurance is extra because all the parts cost so much, but they charge you even more if you don’t have the safety feature that make the parts more expensive.
F150 trucks USED TO have a real 8 foot bed, great for transporting 4x8 sheets of plywood! NOW because they decided to make the cab 4 doors and shrink the bed to 6 feet makes it useless for single people who work in the construction industry.
Just don't buy a crew cab if you want a 8 foot bed.
That’s not the core market anymore though. It’s the white collar guys buying pick ups. Even the single construction guys don’t want regular cab, 8 ft bed basic trucks anymore. All the new ones I see are nice crew cabs with big wheels and low profile (for a truck) tires.
The 6' bed is so it'll fit in your garage.
40,000 for a ranger is ridiculous. That should be a $30,000 truck.
Get rid of the UAW and that ranger would by $17k
20k max for a ranger
There is a massive need for just a cheap reliable 'Work' pickup truck. In the 80s and 90s they were everywhere. They came with crank windows, rubber mats, manual door locks and the biggest thing that you wanted in a work truck was a radio, A/C and a cup holder. That was all you needed. A pickup truck now is like driving a Cadillac in the 90s and you don't need all that stuff for a work truck. (people in the trades)
That was only 10 years ago
@@gags730I sold my pretty much loaded f250 lariat last year. I bought a 2003 Chevy k15 short bed, regular cab. Manual locks and windows, ac, 4.3 motor, 43k miles and in pristine condition. It’s a great truck.
When I was growing up, trucks were work vehicles. Nobody had one that wasnt for work, then the 70s came along and they became lifestyle vehicles, pretty girls with cowboy hats were on the pick up truck commersials, and eventually there were luxury trucks, people wanted more for their truck dollar. Now you get a truck for what you pay for your mortgage payment, and crazily, theyre still selling, for now.
78k plus tax don’t forget the tax that’ll put it over 80k and your insurance on a 80k truck is gonna be expensive
Yep...as the price goes up, so does the insurance and the registration fees in addition to the payment.
And you get soaked for plates and personal property tax every year!
I will never buy anything close to new, ever again!
@@auntiefiat9769 Agree with you but finding a decent used one seems more difficult nowadays as people tend to use things harder these days and dont always maintain them as they should. Looked at 2020-2021 Tundras, but to find a good one with low miles brought you close to 55k and then you need to make sure they just changed the oil frequently and did not go the 10k as per the owners manual.
Better get that gap coverage also! You’ll lose 30k on it when you leave the lot! 😂
Don’t forget the property taxes
Fancy tailgate, yet no bed liner??? That tell's you everything you need to know.
60k-100k truck and they can't throw you a bed liner? It's just wild
Umm...well not everyone wants or likes the same type of liner..I for one DON'T want a standard liner in the bed. Sounds like you're not the target market.
@@afellowinnewengland6142 I'd imagine if you asked someone who was buying a truck if they wanted a bed liner most would say yes even if they rarely put stuff back there because when you do it's going to f the paint all up.
Every truck I see out there had a bed liner in it including my truck.
The only reason why trucks don't come with one is money. They want you to check the box and pay an extra 500-1500 for one.
Even if they put like a all weather type floor mat in there that covered just the bottom and was easily removable would perfectly fine.
@@CoopaCoop What you don't understand is there are many different types of bed liners. I don't want a standard liner because I'm not likely to prefer what they use. Some people want removable plastic style, some want spray on, some folks install equipment racks and trays and don't want the liner in the way, etc. Sometimes people prefer the price and brand of an aftermarket option. Just because YOU think something should be a certain way doesn't mean the rest of us want it.
When i bought my tremor I told them to throw in a tonneau cover and bedliner and they did without too much haggling, Just ask - theyre gonna throw in a few accessories to make the sale - otherwise ill go to the other ford dealer up the road.
Fukk da bedliner. Gimme the spray in stuff. Far more durable and lasting. I have an OLD F150 with a bedliner and a Ram 1500 with spray in liner. The spray in liner is THE BEST.
2019: 20k, 300 a month for a daily.
2024: 35k, 650 a month for a daily.
but it has a nicer bumper
or they say 650 biweekly to try and make it sound like less money.Fuck buying new.let em all go broke
Let us reflect on the cash for clunkers that has created this as “they” destroyed the vehicles that were going to the used market.
So right, a lot of good cars were turned in for “cash” just to be ruined thanks to Obumbo an demorats! Yet people are so stupid to still vote for them. I still think this is a plot to force Americans to go to public transportation!
A v6 turbo charged, direct injected ego boost is going to cost someone a fortune when it gets 100k miles on it. Especially if you’re changing the oil at 7500k miles or more. Labor and parts are so expensive these days, people can’t afford to fix their cars, even if they’re still making payments. Vehicles are too expensive. Some people say wages are too low but I don’t know about that. If wages went up, the price of everything else would go up and we’d be right where we are now. We’re getting fucked is what’s happening
"ego boost" I like that.
I'll openly admit the tech has come a long way in the last decade, but you cannot defy the laws of physics. Those parts spin at insanely high speeds and generate a LOT of heat My wife has a Ford Edge ST and those turbo's are packed in so tight (with little to no ventilation) it's unbelievable and obvious they only cared if it got out of the warranty period.
I personally wouldn't keep a turbo charged vehicle for more than 75K. After that you are just on borrowed time. The simple solution is to stick with N/A. I wish that wasn't the case as turbo's really do pack a whallop in terms of boosting power but the eventual outcome just isn't worth it.
My 14 3.5 170k nothing major gone wrong yet. It's how you drive and take care of it. But I also ove eating those garbage 5.3 gm engines.
@Salmon_Rush_Die let me guess gm fairy?
Yeah...How many trucks do you see on the road with bashed & damaged tailgates? That trick tailgate just looks like an expensive Not-really-necessary accessory...
Even with these discounts, that's a 950-1200 payment or more......NOPE not for a vehicle.
Corporate greed and price gouging is largely to blame for inflation. Inflation goes up 3%, so businesses raise their price 6%. Proof is that many businesses are making record profits - those that can get away with it.
Profits always rise in an inflationary environment. You have to look at margins in an inflationary environment
Which are making record profits? Air bnb is losing, home depot is losing, car brands are losing sales, hell even McDonalds and Dollar tree are experiencing a decline in year over year revenue
@michaelfranks341 he used percentages muppet...cost of living always goes up but that doesn't mean you can just charge 3k more every year. Inflation hasn't matched car price increases since pre pandemic and corporate greed has never been higher
Peoples fault for buying these astronomical, overpriced, uber hyped trucks..
It's the people's fault for trashing companies that were modest in the interiors and trims levels. The reason the Ford and Ram truck lineups are so abscenely expensive is because they got into a tit-for-tat to see who could come out with the most luxury focused trim with the highest price tag. Ford with the Limited trim and Ram with the Tungsten trim. Half-ton trucks that pushed prices to new record highs and every trim level below those trims jumped up in price. That's why a crappy XLT stickers for $60k and a Laramie is $65k.
The F-150 'two door' is actually a 4 door Supercab with bonus longer front doors than the Crewcab version. Plenty of storage space in the rear seat area. I removed the rear seats to carry camping gear, a fridge and power station etc. Perfect truck cab size for a single guy with a dog (me) or adventurous family without kids. Usually means a longer, more useful box as well. Similar design to the Ram quad cab or much smaller Tacoma access cab. The Supercab is not only less money but far more practical for many of us truck owners. I ordered a close to base Supercab XLT FX4 in 22 for 35K and no problams or recalls, it's been a great truck. But I could never afford the crazy prices now.
The Ford Ranger is wildly popular in Thailand. But the number one truck in Thailand is still the Toyota Hilux Turbo Diesel, with no stupid DEF system. I wish I could buy one in the US.
I would buy 3 of them for the same price as one crappy ford or gm. They would last me the rest of my life to boot!
@@winchester7mm Other than the rust rot issues Toyota is legendary for. And their 8-speed is a dumpster fire.
due to stupid government regulations, Toyota cannot even sell them as-is in the USA... lol
Had zero issues with my 2014, zero issues with my 2020, Love my 2024 lariat. All 3 had, have the 3.5l ecoboost. All have been solid performance. No thanks GM , not interested in a 4 cylinder turbo in a full sized truck.
Nobody goes for the 2.7 turbo. The 3.0 Dmax is the engine to get for just $1000 more.
@@hochhaul do they give this engine in the suv,s ? If not, why? I have a coworker who bought a new GMC with a 2.7l. He never made it home from the stealership before the engine grenaded. GMC proud right there!! Ala Gods Mechanical Curse!!!!!!!
@@michaelfrohn255 Sounds like all those Ford Broncos that were grenading engines. Plus all the brand new F-150's with grenading engines. The Ford dealer just down the road from me has a brand new F-150 missing an engine because a valve decided to check out. Found On Road Dead holds true year after year LOL
$45,000 for a Ranger? NO!
Agree!
I've heard that the Ranger isn't selling well, from dealers. For the price difference people are buying the f 150. I rode in a friend's ranger felt like a sardine in a can. He felt the same way and went traded it in after 1 year for full size. I see more Mavericks on the road than rangers.
In 2014 I was looking for a new small truck and really wanted a Ranger. Rangers were overpriced then, They were out of my budget. I settled for a Nissan frontier which was also overpriced IMO.
I bought a new 2wd xlt ranger in 1988 loaded …. $14700
No Brasil a mais top custa 350 mil reais
In 2005, the price of a Ford F-150 varied depending on the model, trim level, and options. On average, the base model of a Ford F-150 started around $18,000 to $20,000. However, higher-end models and trims, such as the Lariat or King Ranch, could cost upwards of $30,000 to $40,000 or more, depending on the configuration and additional features.
I keep seeing videos like this claiming Ford, Dodge, Jeep, etc. are too expensive and the brands are going down. I agree the prices are ridiculously high, but I live in GA and see the roads full of these overpriced vehicles. I just wonder how they can afford it?
8 year loans
That's the thing. They can't afford them. What is happening now is banks are extending loans at linger terms like the gentleman above me said. You can afford 70k payment if it's stretched over 8 years. 70k before interes and down-payment would be 729 (still too high in my opinion) but over the life of the loan you're more than likely paying double 70k.
If banks stopped lending at these extended rates you'd see a massive crash in the market. But you know how it goes. The government props the banks and hedge funds and other corporations to stop crashes by bailing them out and making lending standards longer
My opinion is after 3 to 4 years of driving every day your gonna get screwed with a massive mechanic bill as cars inevitably wear and tear over time. The more crap the crambn into these vehicles the longer it takes to fix them and making them complicated racks up labor hours.
In the end you will see at some point a major crash because this isn't sustainable.
Sometimes you lust have to say no.
@@razial1000 And how many will keep the vehicle for 8 years? My guess very few so they will up upside-down and so far in debt.
I tend to keep my vehicle for 10 years or more. That doesn't mean I want to pay on it for 8 years. I like not having a payment after 4 or 5 years.
5-8 year loans, over spending, and just like 2008-09 over financing. These trucks aren't even close to the value being sold as.
The ridiculous over pricing and unnecessary features will end quickly if consumers just simply stop buying the products. Buy older used vehicles and maintain them properly.
My first house in 1973 cost 22 thousand. Todays truck prices are insane.
Wow 1973... your family will probably be taking your license from you soon. 😂
Man, recently I grabbed a 1997 Dodge Dakota 3.9 V6 from an estate. This truck is so simple, so easy to work on. So much room in the engine compartment. It has power NOTHING in the interior. Stereo is shyte. However, this thing is a little tank. Been off-roading 7 times now, and she tanks everything I throw at it. Doesn't have a lick of speed: I barely pulled away from a Prius yesterday...yes, for real. Highway passing power in today's world of over-priced speed demons is non-existent, but damn if she doesn't put smiles on my face every single time I come flying out of a deep, muddy, water hole. Compare/Contrast that to my F150, where every time I take her off-road I break something. I have really developed an appreciation for these older vehicles as I, myself, have gotten older.
If you have to borrow money to buy a truck you should not be buying an 80k truck.
people have to borrow money to buy $20k vehicles... sometimes people need things they cannot afford.
Well when you need a vehicle now and not 5 years down the road
@@AyaWetts Yeah, then buy a 20k vehicle. Don't go out and spend 80k that you don't have plus interest on it. This upcoming recession will flatten them all out.
@@Kamkazi-gc5be You need a vehicle, but you WANT a brand new 80k vehicle.
@@uttamgala7186 i paid 86 k for mine in 2018
It makes me sad that we as people have become such cattle.. we get herded into which camp is better. I can tell you that as a blue-collar worker, results speak for themselves. Our company has used Chevrolet product for decades, and we absolutely abuse them. However, they just keep going. The truth is most manufacturers would, the reason I say that is because when we break one, we just get it fixed. It wouldn't matter what brand it is. We have had some heavy duty Ford's, blew the transmissions in those, and we just fix them and keep using them till eventually all of them have too many miles and we send them all to auction. The reality is buy what you like. You will take care of it, fix it, and enjoy it because it is what you wanted and like. The truth is they all have problems. Just cross your fingers you don't happen to get the lemon from the batch. Life is too short to act like your vehicle is better than the next. I still see 50 year old Fords and Chevy's on the road. That tells me when you love it, you will take care of it.
People freak out at playing $60,000-$100,000 for many to get a useless college degree and want the government to bail their debt out. But many will happily pay $75,000-$100,000 or more for a pickup truck.
The world has gone nuts since the COVID debacle.
The government will bail out these vehicle manufacturers as always, so why not just bail everyone out. At least bail out the folks that are living check to check trying to pay back uncle sam for that sweet sweet college loan that they were brain washed into thinking they needed to get a job.
@@egregiousblunder5395
The problem is many people think government bailouts are like get out of jail free cards.....no such thing as a true bailout, the costs of such are ultimately carried by tax payers through increased government deficits.
@@DigbyOdel-et3xx And yet every manufacturer will take that deal every time while regular Americans sink lower into poverty day after day.
@@egregiousblunder5395
True.... That is the difference between free market economy and corporatism. But we elect politicians who love to give money away to corporate interests.
In a free market economy no business is too big to fail. Any business that does will see it's assets bought up and what was it's market share picked up by its competitors. Employees may suffer some disruption, that's what unemployment insurance was for and many will be absorbed into the competitors that soaked up the failed business market share.
Never forget that lobbyists don't hold guns to elected officials heads, but that the politicians play footsie with corporate lobbyists.
@egregiousblunder5395 we shouldn't give them this safety net. Look at what they've done with it
A tailgate with hydrolics for those who can't lift heavy objects would be the only modification needed. Sensors can be eliminated
You would be crazy to pay these high prices for these trucks ...$70k plus for a Ford is robbery
Yes but unfortunately every all the trucks are this high even the Chevys in the GMs even the dodge
The expeditions are 80k and I think worth it if you want something nice to haul the family around in.
Ten years ago a f150 Limited was going for $60k (almost 90k in today’s money) and Ford couldn’t build enough of them. Maybe the middle class just disappeared?
Bought a 2014 XLT 5.0 CPO in 2017 with 15k on the clock. Perfect Car Fax. Paid 27k. Original owner took the depreciation hit. I'm maintaining it very well and keeping it forever!
Protect those cab corners. The last gen steel F-150's are great but those cab corners rust like a 99 Chevy.
@@hochhaulSo I've been told. May sound crazy but I try to stay off the roads when it snows (it's a 4X4 off road) and the very few times I do go out I immediately wash the entire under side, including wheel wells, with two spray attachments I use on a garden hose that remains outside and drained after each use. I will usually use my wife's Camry when the roads are salty. Camry is an '05 with zero rust, they galvanize the bodies in a zinc bath.
Also rails the cargo box sits on are prone to rust. Yes, I am a maintenance fanatic. Thank you for commenting.
None of those Ford trucks is worth more than $10,000 on a good day! Overpriced endless money pits, depreciating liabilities!
And...don't forget the tiny lil engines are pushed to the limit with turbos, etc. I am a V8 man, till I die ( in a truck) ford is recalling 600,000 trucks too!
Look at the used trucks in the vid. 1 year old and they're selling them, as is no warranty. Even Ford knows they're shitboxes and won't guarantee them.
Vehicles are technically assets as they hold monetary value.
@mikefleek9259 The 2.7 is extremely overbuilt. It's probably the best engine block on the market.
The 2.7 bottom end is estimated to handle over 800hp/tq. The motor makes 300hp and 400tq.
The recalls isn't a design flaw, but material used on the valves. Shame, but not all 2.7 will be affected they will be tested, and if they passed they are good to go. If they fail the test ford will replace them.
Facts
Thing is, you can always order/buy a basic work truck for around $40k. I think ford calls it the XL and Chevy calls it a WT. This would be most comparable to the trucks of yesteryear. Don’t get me wrong. $40k is still a lot, but it’s a WHOLE lot better than the $80-100k peeps keep complaining about
I miss the old F-150 simple, rugged and dependable
Ford is a car company that has made cars for 120 years. Yet, Jim Farley comes up with the brilliant idea that Ford should no longer manufacture cars. Even though the mid-size car market is up 20% in 2024. How can you be a car company and not make cars? How can Jim Farley still be CEO of Ford instead of working at McDonald's where he belongs? Jim Farley strikes me as a person intent on bankrupting Ford Motor Co. Why do companies no longer listen to their customers, and no longer offer products that customers want and can actually afford?
One word - GREED
Used vehicles are not worth more than half of their new MSRP, especially if they are sold "AS IS."
We decided to keep our 2006 Envoy as a third vehicle and bought a 2024 Prius to commute with instead of buying a new F150.
So complicated that their mechanics can't fix the problem. Makes that factory warranty, " WORTHLESS "
I used to 'help' my dad work on his truck and his Rambler sedan. He ended up loaning me the Rambler for a few months, and I worked on it once by myself (oil change). That was a 1966 model and I worked on it in '76, just a while before catalytic converters and computers ect. made it next to impossible to work on in your driveway!
This happened before...I got a 2013 F150. A few days later I was going 50 mph and it downshifted to 1 st gear. I took it back to the dealer and they checked the trans ,then loaded a new program in the pcm and fixed it. I still have it and 51000 miles still ok.
This is the age of greed. Quality and customer satisfaction does not figure into that equation. Oh ya, I paid 85 K for my first HOME!
It is the younger woke generation 40 years of age and under that are very greedy, me myself and I, I want want and want.
They got away with it during the pandemic when they were shortages. Now they’re trying to write it as long as they can.
You will never see 80k houses.. land costs about half that in some places. Wtf...
Nobody needs all the bells and whistles, which runs the cost UP 10K, there work trucks, if you want bells and Whistles buy a luxury car, so many people buy pick up trucks and really don't have a need for a truck, which in my opinion is for work, and should built for such.
Exactly ... but "big manly man" needs a big truck to prove he's a "big manly man". Ugh!
It's all about image even if it costs them an arm and a leg.
Average americans are morons.
Our country needs to make regular cars as mainstream daily drivers unless you work for construction.
Tired of pavement princesses.
A dealer with a used 2023 lease return with 12,000 on it that was priced all of $5,000 off new list price told me they could come down another $1,000 on it the other day. 😂
My wife and I just got back from a week and a half long trip from South Texas to Colorado to tour the sites and back. Along the way I noticed that every single dealership regardless of the brand was totally packed with vehicles there were no empty spots on any lot. Let me add, that I have a 2014 GMC Sierra and it’s a medium trim level truck, I bought it used two years ago. As I said, we just got back from a vacation in Colorado and over 22 miles to the gallon for the entire trip I was very impressed. And yes, it does have the 5.3 L multi displacement engine.
Fifteen years of near zero interest rates gave us the $65K pickup and homes costing double there worth! Federal debt of $35T and counting and $1.4T in consumer CC debt.
Free money created all of todays financial problrms!
True, but you’re not gonna mention the pandemic?
Reckless spending is what caused this inflation, Biden spent $7 trillion on nothing, he holds the record for highest spending,
Irresponsible spending + irresponsible lending = 💥
The lenders knew better than lending someone money they couldn't afford. That makes it a bad business decision.
@@adrianostafford8240 same with housing in 2008. Will just keep happening.
Bought a used 2023 Silverado 1500 4x4 with the Duramax last November with 3000 miles. Paid $52k out the door. Pickup had a door sticker of $62k. Your spot on on not taking the depreciation hit on the new. All warranty’s were still intact.
One thing i do not like about silverado is they still wax-coat the frame not e-coat
2020 living in a no-salt on road state and it was rusting bad on the frame and under bed components.
So does Ford's e-coating. My 2019 F-150 had rust spreading out from every weld on the frame, right off the dealer lot. If you live in an area where vehicles are exposed to salt and moisture, you have to be proactive about rust.
Why are Pickups strictly a North American preference?
Because of Stupidity and Ego.
We like the Height. The Power.
Keep up with the Jones. Soccer mom's included.
What a bunch of Nonsense.
I'm in Mexico just now. The only pickups here, very few, are overloaded with water jugs or farm help. That makes sense.
Best Fuel Economy Vehicle is a Ford 150 with 14 farm laborers in the back!
I have Traveled Extensively.
Everywhere else Globally? That needs to move personal cargo?
They use a light trailer behind the family car.
Often it's the trailer is the yard waste container. When full, pulled to the landfill.
Unless you have something heavy to tow. Totally hilarious.
You need to spend $80,000 USD to haul around a truck box full of air?
Thank you for the chuckle.
It’s simple. Do not buy. It will correct everything. No one NEEDS a new truck.
Last I checked we live in a country that allows people to do what they want with their own money. But hey, I guess some people feel that the CCP has the right mindset.
@@kmonto1971 you really took that the wrong way. The point is valid. If noone purchased a new vehicle at these prices, they would have to lower the prices to sell them. Supply and demand was the point of the comment. It wasn't meant as some controlling you and what you do with your money comment.
Great idea Chevy had leaving those shipping hooks on calling them tow hooks for when it breaks down
Still breaks down less than the trash rolling off the line at FoMoCo. Can't even buy a basic F-150 without worrying the 2.7 or 5.0 is going to drop a valve or the transmission grenades.
@@hochhaul I wouldn't know when I was framed in San Diego 1978 they destroyed my earning potential never bought a new vehicle never will
All are priced too high. I remember when Chevy had commercials making fun of Fords tail gates. Now they have the same gadget.
Those commercials were hilarious. Guys look like homos using their Ford man step. The aluminum bed commercials were really funny too.
Recently a young woman ran into my '09 Avalanche. It was her fault. Geico wanted to total my truck. I talked them into fixing it. Thank God. I will drive it until I die even if I have to get a new motor and/or tranny and/or blah, blah, blah. The world's gone nuts and all I want to do is tend to my garden until the end, one way or the other. Thank you for a very good summary of the current state of the truck/auto industry. We're all down a rabbit hole.
8mpg is one reason I can think of why people wouldn't wanna pay $80k for a gas F250
I live in the same area as this guy and went to those dealerships when I was shopping for my last truck. He goes to those dealers on Sundays when they are closed, but I can tell you that on a Saturday the Ford dealer was almost empty and Peterson Chevrolet was crawling with people. The GMC dealer I ended up at was so busy I had to wait for a sales person to help me. Ford has some problems... people will tolerate recalls and reliability issues, but they won't keep paying those prices.
There is no situation where I pay more than $30,000 for a pick up truck.
Guess you will not be getting one.
Great info for my choice of Truck buying for the future. Keep the vids coming. Very informative.
The Ford ceo said that it would take at least another decade or more to fix their quality issues.
Its not just Ford, GM, Stellantis, Toyota, BMW are all having engine an programming issues
How long has Ford been around again??
There's really no excuse for a major brand that's been around for so long to have so many quality issues.
@@richardlively1666 Toyota is not having engine or programming issues, you know why? They don't have idyot engineers kneejerking design every model changes without proper testing. Theyy evolve gradually never sacrificing reliability
@@KingfishStevens-di9ji well until they went to 6 cylinder engine and have gone down recallville path.
@KingfishStevens-di9ji Oh boy has nobody told you? Oh brother they are having by far the worst issues especially engine issues now that they started to make their trucks note complicated that a stick
The cost of new vehicles is out of control.
GM is having lifter issues with their V8's.
Uh oh!
For a decade.
AC is trouble as well. And if it is white the paint will fall off.
Because idyots don't change their oil. Very important to the AFM system, oil changes and full sythetic
Have you seen the issues with fords 3.5.
I work out at the Ford Claycomo Plant and we’re actually ramping up the F-150 production! They’re working more hours and days than the Transit side of the plant.
I called ford and told them I'm having financial difficulties and I need to missed the next 3 payments. They said no problem. Lol, I guess they are afraid of the economy collapsing, so they're trying to help in any way they can.
BS. They are not going to let you slide on 3 months payments. They do a month at most, but not 3. Either way all they will do it tack it back on the back end of the payment with interests. That's not helping people.
I own the 2024 GMC sierra elevation with the 2.7 in red and i absolutely love it. It is VERY quick and i get 27 MPG on the highway. It's very impressive.
I want metal bumpers fit to destroy a Toyota Camry. Manual windows, vinyl bench seat, AM/Fm radio with usb stick, A/C, cruise control, automatic, choice of 6 or 8 gas & diesel, trailer hitch, full length bed. And a place in the dash for adding navigation/CB/ cellphone mount Also the fuel pump,tail lights, headlight & grill replacements should be cheap
As a Camary owner, I hope we don't cross paths when you get a metal bumper'd truck 😂😅
@@carlstrohm3785 as do I, I hate having my vehicle damaged by poor drivers in trashy econoboxes. I should have wrote minivans or kia. It doesn't take much of a bumper to resist a small car
@@randaldavis8976 I was simply trying to be funny. Buy an old ass pickup. They check all your boxes. 📦
It’s crazier in Canada where the manufacturers don’t offer much in the way of discounts. GM is offering 0% financing for 72 months now, though.
2019 I passed on a 19 F150 XLT 2.7 4x4. It was $37900 brand new during the employee pricing event. That equivalent truck today, with the same incentive is $64000. There is nothing to explain that other than greed.
Haha. The guy with the John Deere tractor.🙄
I had a dealership tell me it will cost me around $10,000 more to have all the extra bad driver aids taken out of the truck, all I want is power windows door locks and a back up camera for hooking up my trailers. I don’t need anything else I know how to drive and stay in my lane and do this thing called shoulder checking.
Bought a 2024 Lariat F150 two months ago. $9000.00 off sticker and a fair trade in value for my 2017. You have to be willing to negotiate or walk away..
It's insane nobody negotiates , it's the best part ! I've never paid msrp ever lol
Got 8k off of my 2023 lariat powerboost last September. Took a month of negotiating. Dealer would call me twice a week. I kept saying no until they got my payment where I wanted it. Which I knew they'd need to drop the price 8k to accomplish.
12K off of a HighCountry 6.2L end of May. Probably do better now
Haggling is fun. Hard to get dealers to play the game the past few years. I thoroughly enjoy it, but I don’t go in unprepared. Sometimes it takes a week of back and forth. Best in my life was getting a 2013 F150 XLT msrp at $44k at $28k otd. Full disclosure had a 2011 ranger as a trade but it wasn’t no where near paid off. It’s really the thrill of the hunt. Most of the time I hit my mark but sometimes I miss. If it takes a week of back and forth it’s like following a blood trail into the night. But I get it, nowadays people don’t like negotiating. They’d rather just get one price and that’s it. If you don’t ask for more you’ll never know what else you could get.
@@romanmoroni2785bet your best will be near the end of the year.
There isn't a parts shortage anymore. Ford actually raised its MSRP just so dealer mark ups didn't seem so ridiculous. All dealers kept prices high and manufacturers did too. There is no way a truck that is 20k overpriced can be bought by someone that has minimum wage buying power.
I have never seen so much junk on the road in my 58 years of driving!! Better be making 100 k a year to keep up with the new vehicles on the road!!
After their 5.4 ..3 v with the timeing chain, cam phaser, 3 pc spark plug...never have i ever owned a money pit like that piece of sheet, nor will I again
These new ecoboosts are trash. Belt driven oil pump, fuel pumps disintegrating trashes the whole $15,000 fuel system lines rails and injectors, $300 plastic oil pans that leak and cannot be reused. Ford is done.
I bought my 2004 XLT regular cab 5.4 brand new. It’s never needed anything more than regular maintenance. So far it’s been a perfect vehicle but I’m always worried there’s a catastrophic failure just about to happen due to the horrible reputation these engines have.
@garysloan4539 got a good one, I hear slug is what messes the timeing chain, oil pump is a bit weak for that motor, big thing to keep in running is oil changes, that's what sucks buying used,
Good video. Interesting info. The one issue I have with respect to saying "used is less" and then showing some of the pricing, there is no mention of what the mileage is on these vehicles. If it's a smokin' good deal, generally speaking, it's due to the truck having higher mileage. I feel this is the only piece not covered and missing from making this a very accurate and note worthy video.
They do it to them self, they priced everything so high 🤮🤮🤮
Great analysis and explanation... and you even mentioned the all-important higher interest rates on a used.
That’s what Hyper inflation looks like. Trillion dollar debt spending hurts.
Nice to read a comment from someone that knows what they are talking about. Reckless spending Inflation and that ridiculous UAW contract they agreed to.
This is why I’m still driving my 2002 Silverado 4x4 that I bought new for $23,675. I just turned 100,000 miles still have original spark plugs. I was offered 25,000 cash for it last week “excellent condition” but turned it down. I won’t be buying a new truck ever again.
It’s a Ford. What did you expect?
Fix Or Repair Daily
@@Mr_Spock512 Found On Road Dead, F##kin Old Rebuilt Dodge
I'm a Ford guy. My first car was a hot rod 1968 Fairlane.
But these truck prices are just stupid...from all manufacturers.
But GM and Ram seem to be understanding the current market better than Ford.
Oh well...if their truck sales tank, they'll learn.
That's what's great about free market competition.
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I never understood the Ford F-150 craze! Now I am definitely glad I don’t have one! FORD SUCKS!
52 codes with less than 61k miles on a 2020 2500hd LTZ L5P illustrates Chevrolet sells lemons. Glad I traded that lemon away.
Grew up with fords, about to graduate college with a physics degree. I won’t be able to buy a new truck until I’m like 40. Always loved ford
90% of track owners don't need a truck.
You are correct I have had several and do not work them I don’t Ranch or Farm and am not in the building trades because I want a full-size car that no one produces anymore with a V 8 I need room I’m a built Body builder 6’5” 300 I need room and want comfort
Maybe they need a truck to haul their race cars to the track? Can you post where this 90% statistic came from?
@@kmonto1971 It's actually very simple. Subtract the number of trucks owned by businesses that REALY need tracks, from the number of trucks on the road.
@@georgewilson1184 You are the 10%
I'd rather have a car, but I need to be able to move my motorcycles sometimes...
I recently bought a new Chevy 1500 custom. It was under 50 grand and I love it. 2.7 liter turbomax pulls better than the 5.3.
This is planned. It has to be.
Size: 1972 Datsun pick up
Engine: 200 hp 4 cylinder
Three person cab
2 wheel rear drive
Manual transmission
70 mph @ 1,900 rpm
Only accessory: AC
Weight: 2,800 lbs
Price: $14,900.
Winner!
If you want to sell trucks, you have to bust the UAW. These guys make way too much money clocking in that over $80-$100 per hour to support the quicker and the other manufactures go bankrupt the quicker these contracts can be renegotiated to make cars more affordable.
2019 F150 XLT 2.7 4x4 was $37,900. Same truck today is $64,000. Sorry, but this isn't UAW wage increases no matter what you believe.
Getting rid of the UAW still Wouldn’t lower the prices. They would probably still continue to go up!
Thank you very much for the very informative video! Always enjoy these!
I bought a new 1990 f150 300cu in straight 6 5sp stick , paid $9,800. It was a great work truck. In 10yrs it had 200k + mi. And zero paint left on it. I was told that they used H2O base paint. It’s just been downhill ever since. The 2000s they were blowing plugs. When I was looking mid 2000s over 30,000 plugs had blown out the heads. Ford said there was nothing wrong with the motors. No warranty on the plugs. I bought a Ram 2500 30% less than Ford or Chevy. I loved that truck. Now I have a Toyota.
In my hometown, they have not lowered the prices yet. They are an independent dealership. If you don't buy it from them, they will not do any warranty work, they will tell you to take it back to the dealership you bought it from. That's why people buy GM products. Their lot is full to the max. The prices around here in Texas are higher than the ones you showed.