This was such a fun video, loved that someone finally gave you some trolling/banter! Everyone always takes these kinds of 1v1s so seriously! This was way more fun to watch.
The pba celebrity matches made bowling look like a carnival game yet it’s one of the more popular telecasts and does the best at attracting non bowlers to watch. Who cares how bowling looks. Non bowlers don’t complain about whether it’s on strings or not and they are the people we should be trying to attract to our sport.
@@BeaubienMM2you will when no one bowls anymore because of this ridiculous crap. The sport is already on the brink and this is what they come up with to attract people? What a joke
@@dan-xe2xtIt’s not to attract people, they are simpler and less expensive to maintain than the heavy pinsetters. I’m not a fan either, but since my son bowls in two leagues, one at an alley with this new string pin setup, I can confirm there is a different look and feel, but it is close enough that the transition is manageable. I think most recreational bowlers will accept the change.
When laminate replaced wood on the lanes, when oil was added to the lanes to preserve them, when reactive curve balls came out, when two-handed bowling was approved for tournaments, people complained. Now string pins, people complain. A few will stop bowling, but most avid bowlers will keep bowling. It's just too much fun.
I see your point. However the game has been in trouble for a long time. I started in the 1960's. The public participation was incredible. Most bowling centers had double shift everyday of the week. Today that's not so. For many reasons , not just string pins & the other reasons you mentioned. I can go very deep as to the root causes of the decline.
Most avid bowlers have been on the decline. I love the game always have . The root causes need to be addressed. Frankly not sure anyone is interested in those topics. The bowling industry would rather not for many reasons. Mostly due to it would hurt profits but overall the game would stand a good chance of a come back.
Haven't bowled in quite some time (15+ years) and I went and got fitted with a new ball today and threw some games to test out my skills. Just like riding a bike after the first game of 158. Found my stance and arrows & shot 214, 226 & 203. But the interesting thing was this house was my house back in the day and they are now running string pins. It certainly does feel weird visually and they seem to not hit as hard (left quite a few flat 10's) but was still the fun I was looking for. It will be interesting to see how things progress regarding these string pins. From what I've seen, this is the way to save costs in maintenance and labor. Darren, you got such great form bro!
The muscle memory is there, but it takes a minute to remember the choreography. Welcome back to the sport! Just like 15 years has changed for ball technology, lane patterns and such, string pins (USBC Certified ones) will be non-noticeable for leagues/pros with a variance of 1-1.5 pins max. The first few variations of strings are wildly different than the newest ones (you probably seen plenty of old string pins videos from 1-2 years ago, that's how new the USBC Verified strings are, that 1-2 year old videos are old)
I get that pin-setter machine mechanics are really expensive. If it comes down to string pins or no bowling bc all the centers are forced to close, then I'll take the strings, but it makes me sad. The strings really do suck.
Glad to see someone gets it at least. Yeah, freefall is better- but strings are still bowling. It's not quite as good but once you've played on them for a while, they're honestly just not that bad.
@@dysfunctionaldave Lots of comments against string pins seem to be coming from those who don't like their look but who have never actually bowled on them. I've been bowling on string pins for the past 2 years and my average is 2-3 pins higher on the strings than on free fall pins. Definitely not a big deal. A good high flush hit will strike on either type of pins, but I would agree that a sloppy hit has a better chance of striking on free fall pins. On the other hand, a nasty split is easier to convert with string pins.
Agreed but let's see where the price for league etc. settles at for these centers that go string. It best be less than what bowlers were paying prior to crazy hike that has occurred recently.
That first ball wouldn’t have been so iffy on regular pins. Strings on the pins makes it like a carnival game and you don’t get nearly the pin action that you get from regular pins.
String pins are absolute garbage, and you can’t convince me otherwise. You can shorten and lengthen the string length all you want to make them “certified”, but as long as there’s still a string physically attached to the pin, it will alter the pinfall. It makes the already dying sport of bowling look even more like a joke. String pins belong in the arcade, not in certified bowling centers.
But you're okay with pins bouncing off the walls and curtain, right? What hits did you see in this video that were altered by the strings? The only one noticeable to me (though I was distracted while watching) was the shot where Darren almost had the pin move into the 8 slot. (Certified) String pins will require more accuracy. How is that a bad thing?
@@nevinkinzelthe walls and curtain are in play. Strings are a foreign object introduced to the deck Darren had to blow his shit on that split to avoid the 90% chance of a string wra0
@@nevinkinzelyeah we are ok with it, it’s called bowling….where more power and rotation, give you better pin action. Yep we like it the way it’s been, since pin boys….Id rather pay my son to set up pins for me than overpay a bowling alley to play an arcade game.
TIL I learned the lanes at Texas Star Lanes were in fact repurposed. I heard a rumor that they just buried the lanes when they demolished Texas Station.
LMAO.... only took 2 frames for the first ridiculous string- influenced shot to appear. String nearly prevented pin from falling. These things are a fucking travesty.
@@nevinkinzel Well if you want an exact tally I'll have to go back and watch it again, but I watched it to the end, and I'm comfortable estimating that there were at least 4-6 shots that displayed fundamentally bizarre pinfall that you would not see with free- fall. Way too much weirdness for such a small sample size of 2 games. Multiply that out over a league season and your average will be at the mercy of the fucking strings. Competitive bowling is about to be sacrificed on the altar of corporate greed. Once the majority of centers go this route, bowling will be taken about as seriously as skee ball or lawn darts.
House I bowl at is installing string pins USBC certified. Can’t find qualified people to work on the pin setter’s on a full time basis. The interesting part is the machine has two settings certified and carnival. So what happens if someone bowls 300 or even 900. If the wrong setting is on does it count and who’s going to say anything
The free-fall I think will always LOOK better but the give/take you get you'll notice. No missing pins or offset racks. The average is about 1-1.5 pins between USBC certified strings and free fall. Most of the anti-string pin crusaders are also the anti-2H crusaders so it makes sense. Their game is evolving and they don't like it.
@@dopereflx7203 You can say it until your red in the face, but the data backs up that the difference between USBC Certified Strings & Free Fall is minimal and more makes up for miss-set racks, saves time on stuck balls and dead wood, and saves money on mechanics.
@@kenkonarzewski9961 the only part I can get behind is the fact that alleys will save money. Local Alleys are what makes this game great and people need a break where they can get it these days. Beyond that I think strings are a joke. It’s just hard to not feel like a silly carnival game…maybe it’s just me.
@@CrowOnTheWall Yeah String Pins will be the future. USBC Certified strings have been tested and are about a 1-1.5 pin difference in average at most. Welcome to the future of bowling.
@origamielephant7093 Bowling center won't lose money. Save money on mechanics and machine repair. Cost of strings so much less. That is why Bowlero is changing their houses to strings. Bowlero will make more money on making them entertainment centers selling pizza, beer etc. Having party crowd bowling.
@robvoyles As the saying goes, "It's all about the Benjamin's" Bowlero is a business to make profits. They don't care if strings ruin the purity of free falling pins. They will make big money on party nights, food, beverages, and entertainment. Making bowling centers fun time places. It's sad because strings isn't pure bowling. I will hate it if it comes to my bowling center which in fact, is a Bowlero establishment
Same. But only because I quit 2 years ago because of the 7 pin lol I was getting frustrated with bowling so I picked up golf instead. Probably need to go back to bowling.
@@robvoyles I do not own a center. As a bowler myself, string pins are the least of my worries, and even if it was a turnoff, I wouldn't feel the need to announce it to a TH-cam comment section like all the other dramatic incels above
I just saw the recent Walter Ray match on String Pins. A rolling pin was prevented from knocking over the 10 pin because of the string & it was commented on. Because of that i'm not a fan of them. But for leagues to house bowling it may be ok. Just my opinion.
Of course it is... and just like every other forced transition to things that nobody wants, it requires propaganda... also known as predictive programming. Nothing new about it... it's a process as old as the Town Crier.
Of course it is. The propaganda wave is just beginning. You'll see. It's called predictive programming. The media has been doing it forever... it always preceeds the forced transition to things that nobody wants, but will be shoved down your throat anyway
Of course it is. The propaganda wave is just beginning. You'll see. It's called predictive programming. The media has been doing it forever... it always preceeds the forced transition to things that nobody wants, but will be shoved down your throat anyway.
Of course it is. The propaganda wave is just beginning. You'll see. It's called predictive programming. The media has been doing it forever... it always preceeds the forced transition to things that nobody wants, but will be shoved down your throat anyway.
Of course it is. The propaganda wave is just beginning. You'll see. It's called predictive programming. The media has been doing it forever... it always preceeds the forced transition to things that nobody wants, but will be shoved down your throat anyway.
I played bowling back when prople would set pins. Then, lower end alleys put in the carnival string machines while the larger ones in my area but in beautiful brunswick machines. Strings greatly affected game play. The alleys who had strings went out of business over the ones who didn't. This is the last gasp of the bowling industry.
I honestly didn’t notice after a while…it’s kinda like Once you see it, you’re adapting Your throw just to keep the score outta reach if you want the win
string pins are fine for kids and people who play maybe a couple of times a year. period. you can watch slow-motion videos and see how many pins are pulled over by the strings of other falling pins.
Why? Just why? (that was before I watched the video and talking about string pins). After watching it, I'll still ask why string pins? But the challenge was fun to watch. Good video.
Why string pins? Two reasons: 1) pin setter cost / complexity; and 2) it's very hard for some bowling alleys to find a good mechanic who's willing to work for cheap.
String pins: better than you think, worse than you want. USBC certified string pins aren't any worse than some of the bad racks that pop up on freefall machines
i’m very scared for the future of bowling if string becomes the norm. USBC has already allowed them and they’re cheaper so more alleys will adopt them.
My house just switched over the weekend. Thursday will be the debut of the strings. At least they are the USBC certified ones. We will see how it goes.
One of my houses made the switch. It was bad bc they were not able to hire a mechanic for the longest time and the pinsetters were terrible (nail in the coffin- last league night before the install, I had 5 racks with missing pins in a row followed by raining pins). Strings are less forgiving and people are complaining because they don't want to think they suck as bowlers, and honestly forces better shotmaking. You can't go light, and you can't jam the ball into the pocket without letting it roll otherwise there's deflection. I get punished for getting to the pocket and not letting the ball roll (seeing too much oil/hooking too late) with a lot of pocket 5 pins at best, 4-5-7s, and worst case scenarios the 5-7. Also helps me internalize that most messengers are actually off bad shots too.
@@ripvanrevs I've seen more 5-7s and 4-5-7s with the string pins but it only happens on light hits. After shooting at these for a while, they both are about a 50-50 shot for me. The 5-7 hasn't been a big issue for me because I used to leave a lot of them and because of that had a lot of practice at picking them up. I've had very little practice at picking up the 5-10, so that's a much harder split for me to cover.
@@jonmayer That's like, your opinion man. USBC Strings have a statistically barely noticeable difference in scores from amateurs, pros, conditions, and robots. The current USBC study has proven that before certifying a specific set of strings. When did you try them out yourself?
@@kenkonarzewski9961 And who conducted this "study"? You DO know that the USBC is, effectively, owned by the BPAA, as in the bowling PROPRIETORS-aka OWNERS? Did you think the USBC headquarters moved from Green Bay to Arlington, TX just for the hell of it? You know what organization has had its HQ in Arlington for years, right? FIGURE IT OUT. This is the proverbial fox guarding the hen house...the USBC is a separate entity in name only-the BPAA calls the shots. And yes, when you change a FUNDAMENTAL part of the game/sport, it is no longer the same-PERIOD...wake up and smell what you're shoveling.
@@kenkonarzewski9961 I actually do have a bad experience with that kind of string pin technology in duckpin bowling. I rolled a strike one time, and the strings were having a hard time keeping the pins up upon resetting them, since a few of them keep falling down when they land on the lane. I'm not taking any chances in playing 10 pin bowling that has that string pin setup, because it might run into the same problem that the duckpin lane had. Plus, the unnatural pin action when you knock down the pins, and the fact that the strings could get tangled up if you add too much strength to your roll. That's why I considered String pin setups to be an abomination to bowling, because I've seen the problems with it first hand, and I'm not gonna take any chances in bowling in center that relies on string pins as a lazy way to cut costs.
We had three houses in this nice little city in Florida. We now have one house and they change to completely synthetic word feels like the approach is glass with oil on it. To add insult to injury they want to string pins also. Absolutely sucks. If you're a guy like me that posts and tends to spray the pins you are dead in the water 💦. Literal average drop 20 pins.
Loved the crinkly water bottle routine with Belmo and Rash. Not a fan of string pins, although that's where the leisure sport is going...hopefully not the pros. Free The Pins!!!
Testing determined that to be a lie... Testing shows you get fewer strikes but MAY get some random splits every once in a while. Scoring is lower on certified strings.
The Bowlero Bowling Franchisee's nationwide went eith string pins. It's supposed to help keep the cost of maintenance down but the last Bolero bowling house I went to one game of bowling was $8.+. So much for keeping bowling affordable. I won't bowl on string pins and I refuse to pay anymore than $3 a game.
I imagine all the people that are talking about the string bowling probably had family members that said they were gonna quit once they quit haven't pinsetters that actually used people..
It should be a requirement that you have to wear pants like that to bowl on string pins. That way the bowling matches the pants. String pins = arcade bowling. Install coin op machines where you pay at the lane with quarters.
If they greatly improve the strings I wouldnt be opposed to it but just off of this video i saw multiple shots that were altered due to the strings. If this is the final product, I'm not going to bowl at a place that has them.
Great vid. If I were to give the fella a tip, i'd recommend not crossing his arm on his follow through. Hes trying to overcrank it and is killing the drive b4 it reaches the pins.
@@darylgould8923 The only thing being "saved" is RECREATIONAL bowling. 5 year old kids at a birthday party won't give a shit. Nor will drunken teenagers bowling with strobe lights and horrific "music". Competitive bowling however, is about to be sacrificed on the altar of corporate greed. Competing on these things will be a joke, and many will simply give it up if/ when this becomes their only option.
@@darylgould8923 I undesrtand the math just fine. I've worked in bowling centers on/off for years. It's not my fault that you lack reading comprehension. I'll say it again: String pins will keep recreational, non-competitive bowling in existence. That however, is the only thing being "saved". Centers want open play and birthday parties because that's where the money is. Leagues and tournaments don't keep the lights on anymore. The serious competitors who are still around though, those who actually view bowling as a sport and not just the occasional leisure activity 3 times a year, will run from string pins like the plague because they are a pale imitation of free-fall machines. Those who can't tell the difference won't care... but there will be plenty who do. If you're not among them, then salúd. Enjoy your strings, and bowling in the dark with lasers and little dancing pancakes projected onto the lane... because before too long, that's all that'll be left. Can't practice if they won't turn the lights on, and there are Bowleros all over the place that do exactly that all day long. THAT is what will drive competitive bowlers away, and take the SPORT of bowling with it. But thank the Good Lord we'll have "saved" an activity to occupy little kids on a rainy Saturday, and 20-somethings on date night... and to hell with the rest of us. Peace.
Conventional pinspotters are so expensive to buy and maintain, if the sport is going to stay alive at the amateur level, strings will be the only alternative. Serious/Pro bowlers will never accept them. So the sport will divide just like golf. The more challenging courses get the serious golfers, the rest get the duffers.
This was such a fun video, loved that someone finally gave you some trolling/banter! Everyone always takes these kinds of 1v1s so seriously! This was way more fun to watch.
String pins make bowling look like a carnival game
Strings are a carnival game. It’s fake. Might as well be a video game. Take note of the PBA pros trying to gaslight you.
100%
There is a huge difference from regular string pins like these and actual USBC Certified String pins, don’t get them confused
The pba celebrity matches made bowling look like a carnival game yet it’s one of the more popular telecasts and does the best at attracting non bowlers to watch. Who cares how bowling looks. Non bowlers don’t complain about whether it’s on strings or not and they are the people we should be trying to attract to our sport.
imagine watching for the match and enjoying the back and forth with Darren and Steve.
No, another comment about how string pins bad.
"Take that you bottle ....." iykyk so good 😂
5:08 love the Sean Rash reference 😂
If string pins are the future, I’ll sell my equipment and take up another sport.
RB so true it's a joke.
Which sport are you thinking?
Nobody cares dude. Nobody cares if you quit the game.
@@BeaubienMM2you will when no one bowls anymore because of this ridiculous crap. The sport is already on the brink and this is what they come up with to attract people? What a joke
@@dan-xe2xtIt’s not to attract people, they are simpler and less expensive to maintain than the heavy pinsetters. I’m not a fan either, but since my son bowls in two leagues, one at an alley with this new string pin setup, I can confirm there is a different look and feel, but it is close enough that the transition is manageable. I think most recreational bowlers will accept the change.
absolutely love the Sean Rash/Jason Belmonte callback, that was such a fun match to watch lol
When laminate replaced wood on the lanes, when oil was added to the lanes to preserve them, when reactive curve balls came out, when two-handed bowling was approved for tournaments, people complained. Now string pins, people complain. A few will stop bowling, but most avid bowlers will keep bowling. It's just too much fun.
I see your point. However the game has been in trouble for a long time. I started in the 1960's. The public participation was incredible. Most bowling centers had double shift everyday of the week. Today that's not so. For many reasons , not just string pins & the other reasons you mentioned. I can go very deep as to the root causes of the decline.
Most avid bowlers have been on the decline. I love the game always have . The root causes need to be addressed. Frankly not sure anyone is interested in those topics. The bowling industry would rather not for many reasons. Mostly due to it would hurt profits but overall the game would stand a good chance of a come back.
No, dude. It is over. I am so glad to see this crap to know I was 25 years ahead of the times when I quit in 1999.
I’m sure Troup would jump to the opportunity to wear those pants lol
Pants, I love things that are different, no thanks. lol
The SECOND I hear my local bowling center adopts string setups I’m changing bowling centers
You'll soon run out of places to go. The maintenance is millions less than say, Brunswick A-2s, and they are coming! Like it or not!
@@keithchrysler3732 then I’ll sell my kit and pour it into pool
It's the future and if you ran a bowling center you would see.
@@shawncarnell3149 you are correct!
@keithchrysler3732 millions? Try thousands and most likely under 5 for say a 40 lane center with a good mechanic.
Loved that victory fanfare from FF!
Haven't bowled in quite some time (15+ years) and I went and got fitted with a new ball today and threw some games to test out my skills. Just like riding a bike after the first game of 158. Found my stance and arrows & shot 214, 226 & 203. But the interesting thing was this house was my house back in the day and they are now running string pins. It certainly does feel weird visually and they seem to not hit as hard (left quite a few flat 10's) but was still the fun I was looking for. It will be interesting to see how things progress regarding these string pins. From what I've seen, this is the way to save costs in maintenance and labor. Darren, you got such great form bro!
The muscle memory is there, but it takes a minute to remember the choreography. Welcome back to the sport! Just like 15 years has changed for ball technology, lane patterns and such, string pins (USBC Certified ones) will be non-noticeable for leagues/pros with a variance of 1-1.5 pins max. The first few variations of strings are wildly different than the newest ones (you probably seen plenty of old string pins videos from 1-2 years ago, that's how new the USBC Verified strings are, that 1-2 year old videos are old)
Well, I have not bowled in 35 years. I win, lol I am thinking about starting again soon, 62 years old now. 😊
I get that pin-setter machine mechanics are really expensive. If it comes down to string pins or no bowling bc all the centers are forced to close, then I'll take the strings, but it makes me sad. The strings really do suck.
Glad to see someone gets it at least. Yeah, freefall is better- but strings are still bowling. It's not quite as good but once you've played on them for a while, they're honestly just not that bad.
@@dysfunctionaldave Lots of comments against string pins seem to be coming from those who don't like their look but who have never actually bowled on them.
I've been bowling on string pins for the past 2 years and my average is 2-3 pins higher on the strings than on free fall pins. Definitely not a big deal. A good high
flush hit will strike on either type of pins, but I would agree that a sloppy hit has a better chance of striking on free fall pins. On the other hand, a nasty split is
easier to convert with string pins.
The strings really make the bowler throw a better ball and not rely on messengers. Entry angle and shape of the balls are going to be key on them.
@@jmbrinkmann1205except it makes picking up even the hardest splits trivial.
Agreed but let's see where the price for league etc. settles at for these centers that go string. It best be less than what bowlers were paying prior to crazy hike that has occurred recently.
I feel so called out. "Is there such thing as a slim when the first number is bigger then the second" I wear 32/30s LOL
That first ball wouldn’t have been so iffy on regular pins. Strings on the pins makes it like a carnival game and you don’t get nearly the pin action that you get from regular pins.
This was such a fun video. I love how the amateur actually talked a little game and had fun. Nice to see them not so serious now.
A house pro is not an amateur.
How did he get kyle troups pants
That Final Fantasy victory music was specifically from FF7, the BEST one
The house pro even yelled "string it!" What's happening to the game is effin' ridiculous.
Leaves 7-10: String pulls; leaves 7 pin.
Alleys and the game of bowling will go down sadly but truly once these string pins go into affect at most alleys. 💯
they will go empty except children's birthday party's.
They won’t be a thing much longer
String pins are absolute garbage, and you can’t convince me otherwise. You can shorten and lengthen the string length all you want to make them “certified”, but as long as there’s still a string physically attached to the pin, it will alter the pinfall. It makes the already dying sport of bowling look even more like a joke. String pins belong in the arcade, not in certified bowling centers.
But you're okay with pins bouncing off the walls and curtain, right?
What hits did you see in this video that were altered by the strings? The only one noticeable to me (though I was distracted while watching) was the shot where Darren almost had the pin move into the 8 slot.
(Certified) String pins will require more accuracy. How is that a bad thing?
Ryan Shaffer was bowling a match and a messenger was heading for the pin and the string stopped it short. You could see the sudden stop.
@@nevinkinzelthe walls and curtain are in play. Strings are a foreign object introduced to the deck
Darren had to blow his shit on that split to avoid the 90% chance of a string wra0
@@nevinkinzelyeah we are ok with it, it’s called bowling….where more power and rotation, give you better pin action. Yep we like it the way it’s been, since pin boys….Id rather pay my son to set up pins for me than overpay a bowling alley to play an arcade game.
TIL I learned the lanes at Texas Star Lanes were in fact repurposed. I heard a rumor that they just buried the lanes when they demolished Texas Station.
LMAO.... only took 2 frames for the first ridiculous string- influenced shot to appear. String nearly prevented pin from falling. These things are a fucking travesty.
But what other shots did you notice where there was an issue?
@@nevinkinzel Well if you want an exact tally I'll have to go back and watch it again, but I watched it to the end, and I'm comfortable estimating that there were at least 4-6 shots that displayed fundamentally bizarre pinfall that you would not see with free- fall. Way too much weirdness for such a small sample size of 2 games. Multiply that out over a league season and your average will be at the mercy of the fucking strings. Competitive bowling is about to be sacrificed on the altar of corporate greed. Once the majority of centers go this route, bowling will be taken about as seriously as skee ball or lawn darts.
I agree, fuk the strings and the morons pushing this garbage.@@notonyourlife7939
I mean at 2:11 into the video the guy literally asks for the strings for help sooo…
Would you say that this means we'll just have to throw better shots to keep our averages or... are strings basically rigged?
"Is there such a thing as slim when the first number is bigger than the second" Darren just casually throwing shade at 95% of adult men
House I bowl at is installing string pins USBC certified. Can’t find qualified people to work on the pin setter’s on a full time basis. The interesting part is the machine has two settings certified and carnival. So what happens if someone bowls 300 or even 900. If the wrong setting is on does it count and who’s going to say anything
I love the usage of the FFVII victory tone. I thought my phone was going off for a second there, LOL
There is no way that string pins have the same action as a real pin setter does. Got to love DT in this video though!
I never played on string pins but from what I've seen, no strings looks much better
The free-fall I think will always LOOK better but the give/take you get you'll notice. No missing pins or offset racks. The average is about 1-1.5 pins between USBC certified strings and free fall. Most of the anti-string pin crusaders are also the anti-2H crusaders so it makes sense. Their game is evolving and they don't like it.
It is. Strings are a joke and cheating
@@dopereflx7203 You can say it until your red in the face, but the data backs up that the difference between USBC Certified Strings & Free Fall is minimal and more makes up for miss-set racks, saves time on stuck balls and dead wood, and saves money on mechanics.
@@kenkonarzewski9961 the only part I can get behind is the fact that alleys will save money. Local Alleys are what makes this game great and people need a break where they can get it these days. Beyond that I think strings are a joke. It’s just hard to not feel like a silly carnival game…maybe it’s just me.
@@kenkonarzewski9961 Well, too bad for them. Things change and we have to change with the times. We ain't in Kansas anymore, Toto.
Nothing wrong with those string pins! Pure skill!
What if the string hits the strings of another pin without touching the pins actually touching?
If strings become the standard ill be done bowling
Same here.
See ya guys, hope you enjoy your new hobby
We'll just go where freefall is still a thing and watch the string pin places go under with less regulars.
@@CrowOnTheWall the casual bowler and kids/ parties won't care about strings. These guys don't even know how to keep score!
@@CrowOnTheWall Yeah String Pins will be the future. USBC Certified strings have been tested and are about a 1-1.5 pin difference in average at most. Welcome to the future of bowling.
5:03 Darren can't be mad about the water bottle, he's also on Storm!
Any bowling alley that uses string pins is an immediate no go.
For real. They will be like "String pins = less money + Hey where did all my business go"
“But but but we don’t have a mechanic, it’s cheaper in the long run, blah blah blah”
Then you’re not a serious bowling center
@origamielephant7093 Bowling center won't lose money. Save money on mechanics and machine repair. Cost of strings so much less. That is why Bowlero is changing their houses to strings. Bowlero will make more money on making them entertainment centers selling pizza, beer etc. Having party crowd bowling.
@@hankgolfer1 bolero is ruining bowling too., it makes sense.
@robvoyles As the saying goes, "It's all about the Benjamin's" Bowlero is a business to make profits. They don't care if strings ruin the purity of free falling pins. They will make big money on party nights, food, beverages, and entertainment. Making bowling centers fun time places. It's sad because strings isn't pure bowling. I will hate it if it comes to my bowling center which in fact, is a Bowlero establishment
I absolutely could not tell that those were string bowling pins. This is a fun video to watch!
The FF7 victory theme, such a good little touch!
Darren your why im good at bowling!!
i will quit bowling before bowling on string pins
Same. But only because I quit 2 years ago because of the 7 pin lol I was getting frustrated with bowling so I picked up golf instead. Probably need to go back to bowling.
No one cares if you quit man
@@BeaubienMM2 yes they would care because i am one of the people keeping bowling going in this country
@@BeaubienMM2 bowling centers would, unless you own one, it really doesn't matter what you think.
@@robvoyles I do not own a center. As a bowler myself, string pins are the least of my worries, and even if it was a turnoff, I wouldn't feel the need to announce it to a TH-cam comment section like all the other dramatic incels above
A long time mantra of mine: Make your spares; the strikes will come.
That Asian dad stare did it in the tenth.
Steve is always hilarious, did he have his wheel burrow of balls like usual? LOL
Was this filmed around Christmas time?
Came here to see if anyone else noticed the christmas tree in may
I hope strong pins are not the future the only thing string pins you should be useful as for 3-year-olds to go bowling on
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA “ the belmonte bottle crinkler “
I just saw the recent Walter Ray match on String Pins. A rolling pin was prevented from knocking over the 10 pin because of the string & it was commented on. Because of that i'm not a fan of them. But for leagues to house bowling it may be ok. Just my opinion.
not my league.
So is this the transition to string pins??
Of course it is... and just like every other forced transition to things that nobody wants, it requires propaganda... also known as predictive programming. Nothing new about it... it's a process as old as the Town Crier.
Of course it is. The propaganda wave is just beginning. You'll see. It's called predictive programming. The media has been doing it forever... it always preceeds the forced transition to things that nobody wants, but will be shoved down your throat anyway
Of course it is. The propaganda wave is just beginning. You'll see. It's called predictive programming. The media has been doing it forever... it always preceeds the forced transition to things that nobody wants, but will be shoved down your throat anyway.
Of course it is. The propaganda wave is just beginning. You'll see. It's called predictive programming. The media has been doing it forever... it always preceeds the forced transition to things that nobody wants, but will be shoved down your throat anyway.
Of course it is. The propaganda wave is just beginning. You'll see. It's called predictive programming. The media has been doing it forever... it always preceeds the forced transition to things that nobody wants, but will be shoved down your throat anyway.
I give up. How does the tape help?
No string pins!!!
Hey Darren What weight ball do you use ?
string pins are fucking actual cancer
When was this filmed 😂🎅🎄
I think it was like dec 2nd or 3rd
On the 4th of July...
This was a fun night. Except for the fact that I lost the bowl off to win a free ball by one pin.
I played bowling back when prople would set pins. Then, lower end alleys put in the carnival string machines while the larger ones in my area but in beautiful brunswick machines. Strings greatly affected game play. The alleys who had strings went out of business over the ones who didn't. This is the last gasp of the bowling industry.
Super video … Loved the Petey Weber and Sean Rash references!
It’s so quiet without the pinsetters….. very weird.
So true. Would rather hear the pinsetter sounds.
String pins are one more reason why we can't have nice things.
Great video. But will there be an unboxing video of the pokemon cards?
People don’t know about the belmo bottle vs Sean rash 🤣
He should have said that Darren had to wear polka dot pants the next time on TV
when you said the coach didnt like you were talking about the other utah bowling team?
I honestly didn’t notice after a while…it’s kinda like Once you see it, you’re adapting Your throw just to keep the score outta reach if you want the win
string pins are fine for kids and people who play maybe a couple of times a year. period. you can watch slow-motion videos and see how many pins are pulled over by the strings of other falling pins.
Take that you bottle.. I’m fucking dying 😂😂
Exciting! i just moved here to cedar, and im doing the PBA league steven is hosting, its been really tough but fun! cool to see you at our center!
That was a lot of fun to watch thanks
A 29 😂😂 one day you'll grow into a real boy!
We all know you were going to win dtang! Should've put the pants on for the people though!
I love how the strings tried to get you in the first shot 😅
Why? Just why? (that was before I watched the video and talking about string pins). After watching it, I'll still ask why string pins? But the challenge was fun to watch. Good video.
Why string pins? Two reasons: 1) pin setter cost / complexity; and 2) it's very hard for some bowling alleys to find a good mechanic who's willing to work for cheap.
@@edb3877 Those are good reasons. Thanks for sharing.
There's is such a weird consistency on people who despise the idea of string pins so much, and what channels they comment/follow. It's crazy.
String pins: better than you think, worse than you want. USBC certified string pins aren't any worse than some of the bad racks that pop up on freefall machines
If all centers move to string pins, I will build my own pair of lanes and free fall pins.
i’m very scared for the future of bowling if string becomes the norm. USBC has already allowed them and they’re cheaper so more alleys will adopt them.
My house just switched over the weekend. Thursday will be the debut of the strings. At least they are the USBC certified ones. We will see how it goes.
@@wingracer1614let us know. I see alot of people hating on them but some say they really aren’t that bad.
One of my houses made the switch. It was bad bc they were not able to hire a mechanic for the longest time and the pinsetters were terrible (nail in the coffin- last league night before the install, I had 5 racks with missing pins in a row followed by raining pins). Strings are less forgiving and people are complaining because they don't want to think they suck as bowlers, and honestly forces better shotmaking. You can't go light, and you can't jam the ball into the pocket without letting it roll otherwise there's deflection. I get punished for getting to the pocket and not letting the ball roll (seeing too much oil/hooking too late) with a lot of pocket 5 pins at best, 4-5-7s, and worst case scenarios the 5-7. Also helps me internalize that most messengers are actually off bad shots too.
@@aznmusicman4999 We left those all the time in the 1970s
@@ripvanrevs I've seen more 5-7s and 4-5-7s with the string pins but it only happens on light hits. After shooting at these for a while, they both are about a 50-50 shot for me.
The 5-7 hasn't been a big issue for me because I used to leave a lot of them and because of that had a lot of practice at picking them up. I've had very little practice at picking
up the 5-10, so that's a much harder split for me to cover.
Alot leagues has dropped out not happy with strings blame on USBC ❤
If there was an older lanes with the older string pins I understand but the new USBC Certified ones will be the standard within a decade.
@@kenkonarzewski9961 then bowling will be worse off in a decade.
@@jonmayer That's like, your opinion man. USBC Strings have a statistically barely noticeable difference in scores from amateurs, pros, conditions, and robots. The current USBC study has proven that before certifying a specific set of strings. When did you try them out yourself?
@@kenkonarzewski9961 And who conducted this "study"? You DO know that the USBC is, effectively, owned by the BPAA, as in the bowling PROPRIETORS-aka OWNERS? Did you think the USBC headquarters moved from Green Bay to Arlington, TX just for the hell of it? You know what organization has had its HQ in Arlington for years, right? FIGURE IT OUT.
This is the proverbial fox guarding the hen house...the USBC is a separate entity in name only-the BPAA calls the shots.
And yes, when you change a FUNDAMENTAL part of the game/sport, it is no longer the same-PERIOD...wake up and smell what you're shoveling.
@@kenkonarzewski9961 I actually do have a bad experience with that kind of string pin technology in duckpin bowling. I rolled a strike one time, and the strings were having a hard time keeping the pins up upon resetting them, since a few of them keep falling down when they land on the lane. I'm not taking any chances in playing 10 pin bowling that has that string pin setup, because it might run into the same problem that the duckpin lane had. Plus, the unnatural pin action when you knock down the pins, and the fact that the strings could get tangled up if you add too much strength to your roll.
That's why I considered String pin setups to be an abomination to bowling, because I've seen the problems with it first hand, and I'm not gonna take any chances in bowling in center that relies on string pins as a lazy way to cut costs.
We had three houses in this nice little city in Florida. We now have one house and they change to completely synthetic word feels like the approach is glass with oil on it. To add insult to injury they want to string pins also. Absolutely sucks. If you're a guy like me that posts and tends to spray the pins you are dead in the water 💦. Literal average drop 20 pins.
Once this happens, I'm done bowling
I have been bowling for 35 years and have no issue with them switching to good string pins.
Great video, can’t believe that you have a 30 waist!
If all bowling alleys go to string pins I will srip bowling.
Loved the crinkly water bottle routine with Belmo and Rash. Not a fan of string pins, although that's where the leisure sport is going...hopefully not the pros. Free The Pins!!!
If you make the strings thin and of the material that with lighting it disappears. You cant complain about what you cant see.
Where are the strings and why is there a sweep bowled on string pins not much fun
What the date of this Christmas tree in the back round *(((
You the goat🔥🔥🔥!
“alright imagine bowling but with more random pin action and artificially inflated scores"
Probs why pros like it lol easier game
Testing determined that to be a lie...
Testing shows you get fewer strikes but MAY get some random splits every once in a while. Scoring is lower on certified strings.
The Bowlero Bowling Franchisee's nationwide went eith string pins. It's supposed to help keep the cost of maintenance down but the last Bolero bowling house I went to one game of bowling was $8.+.
So much for keeping bowling affordable.
I won't bowl on string pins and I refuse to pay anymore than $3 a game.
I'll quit bowling before I ever bowl with string pins.
I would try string pins, but i would personally go set the pins up myself by hand for each game, than play string pins regularly
Bowling? Where are the pack rips?
I only bowl a few times a year but if I walked into the alley and saw string pins I'm leaving.
I imagine all the people that are talking about the string bowling probably had family members that said they were gonna quit once they quit haven't pinsetters that actually used people..
It should be a requirement that you have to wear pants like that to bowl on string pins. That way the bowling matches the pants. String pins = arcade bowling. Install coin op machines where you pay at the lane with quarters.
If they do this to all bowling alley's i will never bowl again
If they greatly improve the strings I wouldnt be opposed to it but just off of this video i saw multiple shots that were altered due to the strings. If this is the final product, I'm not going to bowl at a place that has them.
Great vid. If I were to give the fella a tip, i'd recommend not crossing his arm on his follow through. Hes trying to overcrank it and is killing the drive b4 it reaches the pins.
Stop it … String pins suck… I use to work at a string pin bowling alley and they suck and you know it…
String pin bowling should be outlawed.
String pins will save bowling
@@darylgould8923 The only thing being "saved" is RECREATIONAL bowling. 5 year old kids at a birthday party won't give a shit. Nor will drunken teenagers bowling with strobe lights and horrific "music". Competitive bowling however, is about to be sacrificed on the altar of corporate greed. Competing on these things will be a joke, and many will simply give it up if/ when this becomes their only option.
@notonyourlife7939 maths not your strong point mate? Centres cannot afford the upkeep of machines and paying mechanics. Fuck me, work it out.
@@darylgould8923 I undesrtand the math just fine. I've worked in bowling centers on/off for years. It's not my fault that you lack reading comprehension. I'll say it again: String pins will keep recreational, non-competitive bowling in existence. That however, is the only thing being "saved". Centers want open play and birthday parties because that's where the money is. Leagues and tournaments don't keep the lights on anymore. The serious competitors who are still around though, those who actually view bowling as a sport and not just the occasional leisure activity 3 times a year, will run from string pins like the plague because they are a pale imitation of free-fall machines. Those who can't tell the difference won't care... but there will be plenty who do. If you're not among them, then salúd. Enjoy your strings, and bowling in the dark with lasers and little dancing pancakes projected onto the lane... because before too long, that's all that'll be left.
Can't practice if they won't turn the lights on, and there are Bowleros all over the place that do exactly that all day long. THAT is what will drive competitive bowlers away, and take the SPORT of bowling with it. But thank the Good Lord we'll have "saved" an activity to occupy little kids on a rainy Saturday, and 20-somethings on date night... and to hell with the rest of us. Peace.
@@darylgould8923 BS
Hold on is it just me or one of the lane is string-pins, while the other lane is free fall pins? or is all just string-pins?
Literally doesnt even look like the pins are on strings. Am i watching the right video?
Conventional pinspotters are so expensive to buy and maintain, if the sport is going to stay alive at the amateur level, strings will be the only alternative. Serious/Pro bowlers will never accept them. So the sport will divide just like golf. The more challenging courses get the serious golfers, the rest get the duffers.
If i had a dollar everytime Darn said "thats bad" I would be rich