i have been playing rhythm games for around two years now and even if what i mostly played was 4 key i can confidently say that this video nailed every aspect of what makes a song (or a chart) difficult
Appreciate it! I really worried that I was forgetting something obvious, but I think everything can fit into the 9. Outta curiosity, which do you tend to find hardest?
@@PO10TIAL if i had to pick it would be quantity sure the song can seem easy by hearing it but if you need to hit like 200 notes in 4 seconds it's gonna be quite hard
One interesting argument I had with a friend is on the topic of how the player should be punished for messing up. His opinion was that if you aren't good enough to do well at the song, then you should be punished by not being able to finish the song at all. Being allowed to play out the song should be the reward for doing good, was his perspective. My argument was that I play rhythm games to listen to and vibe to the music, and getting kicked out of the song for messing up sucks, which is why I especially like games like rhythm heaven and rhythm doctor. I suspect the real answer is that it doesn't have to be one way or the other, and like most things, just depends on the game.
It really is just another aspect, honestly! I think that having the option to play the song out, even if you didn't complete it, is good, even just from a practice point of view. Being able to see the full chart before having to do it again makes going into it the second time that much more exciting. Then again, I can also see how keeping it as a fresh experience until you manage to get to the end can be good. Personally, though, even if I'm playing a game that has no "kick you out" condition, I just straight up restart the level if I flub it up.
@@PO10TIAL I also restart when messing up if I'm going for a good score, but usually my first go through at a song will just be to see the whole chart.
I had a problem with difficulty in friday night funkin once I have no trouble at all with regular songs, or even the hardest ones like those from the camellia mod (which also got me into osu!mania) but once you throw smth like insta kills fake notes, abusive arrow mouvement or vibro (aka literal collumns of stacked notes) and I can't play the song Sure it is hard and all but it is extremely frustrating to not be able go enjoy a song because the game said no
You seriously need more subscribers dude, with the amount of effort that you put into these videos it's criminal that you haven't got even a thousand yet. But keep Trucking on man! just know you got some people here that truly love your stuff and are eager for more! I can't wait until your sub number skyrockets and you get the attention you deserve! See you next video!
It means the world to read that, man. Numbers would be nice, but honestly, just knowing that a few folks out there really dig what I'm doing is enough. That being said, getting to at least 1k would be very nice. 😅Here's hoping this is the one to do it!
Thank you! I tried to keep it diverse, while still demonstrating everything. The genres huge, so it only felt right to do as much as I could fit! Here's hoping it can reach some more folks, yeah? Hoping I won't be underrated for long, if I'm being real...
Always appreciate hearing it! Though, if you wanna help me get there faster, if you could share the video with someone who'd like it, I'd appreciate it a ton. Power of word of mouth, ya know?
ITG: Patterns don’t affect difficulty in stamina play. They do in tech play, however; enjoy the crossovers and footswitches. Also they aren’t based on anything anymore because ITG officials are super Sus and older than some community members. Also also there’s no upper limit to difficulty; keep moving faster until human anatomy just isn’t up to snuff. Mad Matt’s difficulty algorithm in Rhythm Horizon: Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power Amazing video. You gained a new subscriber.
OhOH there's also rib-ribbon for the PS1, which while pretty simple, it allows to import songs, which have their own difficulty according to their wave file. There, the difficulty is basically being on beat with the song
Right! I really like Vib ribbon. Used music from it in the video, since I couldn't fit it in. Vib has pretty consistent Visuals and Forgiveness. It doesn't throw a lot at you, and it lets you mess up a few times before booting you off. But like you said, the main difficulty comes down to the Quantity of the beats, sure, but also the Patterns. Having to press multiple buttons per obstacle, with no real repeating set, since it was randomly generated, means you're really on your toes much more than you would be in a game like Parappa.
you know, you got me there. through the fire and flames - expert really has a lot going on, for it. although, even if it's just because through the fire and flames - expert is doing things I'm not familiar with, I still gotta say it's harder.
Dude not gonna lie, but I actually agree and would like to have more people see my stuff because I think it's p swag too Also thank you very much I am going to frame your comment
@PO10TIAL while developing a medigun which continues healing for 5 seconds after disconnecting the beam and an ubercharge which causes all weapons to ignite players.
All the games I couldn't find room to talk about, I used music from! I adore Mad Rat Dead, and wish I could've dedicated a section to it. Unfortunately, when I wrote this, I'd only played the Demo.
I wish my genetics were good enough to let me play somewhat hard rhythm games, I really like hard games but it sucks that some of them require a normally functioning brain
@@PO10TIALrhythm is not even the main problem, some rhythm games despite their name don't give a damn about your rhythm and only check your ability to spam buttons and your reaction, I find them the most difficult
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wait a sec... why are you using footage of jimmy kimmel if you are sworn enemies against jimmy kimmel?
who knows
GLAD TO BE BACK! Bit of a break from the norm, but that's how it goes sometimes. Hope y'all enjoy!
i have been playing rhythm games for around two years now and even if what i mostly played was 4 key i can confidently say that this video nailed every aspect of what makes a song (or a chart) difficult
Appreciate it! I really worried that I was forgetting something obvious, but I think everything can fit into the 9. Outta curiosity, which do you tend to find hardest?
@@PO10TIAL if i had to pick it would be quantity sure the song can seem easy by hearing it but if you need to hit like 200 notes in 4 seconds it's gonna be quite hard
Damn what amazing video. Cant wait what will be next one.
You flatter me.
Saw this on the RH subreddit. Mad Rat Dead, VibRibbon, Crypt of the Necrodancer, I love these games, thank you so much for talking about then
Tried to fit as many of the games I couldn't talk about into the OST! Good on you for noticing.
@@PO10TIAL Thank you for uploading!
@@ReddKnight10 hoping to do more soon! Tell your friends about me
Hey that's me 10:10
being a drummer who plays Taiko and Drummania that's exactly how it feels
also GREAT video! this is some top notch editing 👍
One interesting argument I had with a friend is on the topic of how the player should be punished for messing up. His opinion was that if you aren't good enough to do well at the song, then you should be punished by not being able to finish the song at all. Being allowed to play out the song should be the reward for doing good, was his perspective. My argument was that I play rhythm games to listen to and vibe to the music, and getting kicked out of the song for messing up sucks, which is why I especially like games like rhythm heaven and rhythm doctor. I suspect the real answer is that it doesn't have to be one way or the other, and like most things, just depends on the game.
It really is just another aspect, honestly! I think that having the option to play the song out, even if you didn't complete it, is good, even just from a practice point of view. Being able to see the full chart before having to do it again makes going into it the second time that much more exciting. Then again, I can also see how keeping it as a fresh experience until you manage to get to the end can be good. Personally, though, even if I'm playing a game that has no "kick you out" condition, I just straight up restart the level if I flub it up.
@@PO10TIAL I also restart when messing up if I'm going for a good score, but usually my first go through at a song will just be to see the whole chart.
I had a problem with difficulty in friday night funkin once
I have no trouble at all with regular songs, or even the hardest ones like those from the camellia mod (which also got me into osu!mania) but once you throw smth like insta kills fake notes, abusive arrow mouvement or vibro (aka literal collumns of stacked notes) and I can't play the song
Sure it is hard and all but it is extremely frustrating to not be able go enjoy a song because the game said no
Brilliant as ever. A joy to watch!
You flatter me.
hell yeah awesome vid!
that means a lot! Thank you!
Awesome video. An interesting topic explored thoroughly while keeping great pacing. Hope you keep it up, would love to see more video essays from you!
Wicked excellent commentary !
Appreciate it!
You deserve way more subs and views. I'm literally using this as part of a school project-the quality here is insane!! Fucking awesome!
I mean, I certainly think so.
What's the project about, if you don't mind? I'm super curious
That was a really great breakdown of rhythm games. And I really appreciate the Wii graphic. Very nice touch ^^
You seriously need more subscribers dude, with the amount of effort that you put into these videos it's criminal that you haven't got even a thousand yet.
But keep Trucking on man! just know you got some people here that truly love your stuff and are eager for more! I can't wait until your sub number skyrockets and you get the attention you deserve!
See you next video!
It means the world to read that, man. Numbers would be nice, but honestly, just knowing that a few folks out there really dig what I'm doing is enough.
That being said, getting to at least 1k would be very nice. 😅Here's hoping this is the one to do it!
Welcome back, great video
This man bought an entire ps1 for a three second clip.
Now that's dedication.
Plus, now I have a PS1!
I know I'm biased, being a music nerd and all, but I love this video and the points it brings up!
Appreciate it!
Amazing video, love all the different examples you used. Super underrated channel
Thank you! I tried to keep it diverse, while still demonstrating everything. The genres huge, so it only felt right to do as much as I could fit!
Here's hoping it can reach some more folks, yeah? Hoping I won't be underrated for long, if I'm being real...
@@PO10TIAL Yeah, for sure
Soulsborne games being rhythm games is something I always understood, but didn’t explicitly get until this video. Great work, man!
Sekiro is a rhythm game. I don't make the rules.
this is the birth of a great youtuber, I know it, you're going places kid.
Always appreciate hearing it! Though, if you wanna help me get there faster, if you could share the video with someone who'd like it, I'd appreciate it a ton. Power of word of mouth, ya know?
@@PO10TIAL aight
6:39 RAAAAAAAAA SUPER HEXAGON MENTIONED
ITG: Patterns don’t affect difficulty in stamina play. They do in tech play, however; enjoy the crossovers and footswitches. Also they aren’t based on anything anymore because ITG officials are super Sus and older than some community members. Also also there’s no upper limit to difficulty; keep moving faster until human anatomy just isn’t up to snuff.
Mad Matt’s difficulty algorithm in Rhythm Horizon: Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
Amazing video. You gained a new subscriber.
OhOH there's also rib-ribbon for the PS1, which while pretty simple, it allows to import songs, which have their own difficulty according to their wave file.
There, the difficulty is basically being on beat with the song
Right! I really like Vib ribbon. Used music from it in the video, since I couldn't fit it in.
Vib has pretty consistent Visuals and Forgiveness. It doesn't throw a lot at you, and it lets you mess up a few times before booting you off. But like you said, the main difficulty comes down to the Quantity of the beats, sure, but also the Patterns.
Having to press multiple buttons per obstacle, with no real repeating set, since it was randomly generated, means you're really on your toes much more than you would be in a game like Parappa.
I do believe that through the fire and the flames - expert is waaayyy harder than through the fire and the flames - expert.
you know, you got me there. through the fire and flames - expert really has a lot going on, for it. although, even if it's just because through the fire and flames - expert is doing things I'm not familiar with, I still gotta say it's harder.
The unfortunate answer will always be "it's subjective."
also, great video!
if anyone thought super hexagon was crazy, play open hexagon after you beat it and get custom steam packs
I think patapon is a game with well established difficulty on the Rythm genre
True! I need to check Patapon out, actually.
Groove Coaster supremacy 🙏 great vid as always~
Really wish the home port were better... Thank you!
@@PO10TIAL I hear the Switch port is actually pretty good.
Bro you should have like more subscribers your content is so swag
Dude not gonna lie, but I actually agree and would like to have more people see my stuff because I think it's p swag too
Also thank you very much I am going to frame your comment
Ghost notes Beat saber on an exercise balance disc with wrist weights.
WHILE BLINDFOLDED
@PO10TIAL while developing a medigun which continues healing for 5 seconds after disconnecting the beam and an ubercharge which causes all weapons to ignite players.
@@neverendar1778... TWICE
Megalovania is harder than through the fire and flames. Across all difficulties. No you can’t change my mind
oh dude for sure
what game, though
What Game is it Harder in, Zak Bollinger
Wait no mad rat dead??? :( Only music main theme???!!! Did I missed something.?!!?!
All the games I couldn't find room to talk about, I used music from! I adore Mad Rat Dead, and wish I could've dedicated a section to it. Unfortunately, when I wrote this, I'd only played the Demo.
surprised gd wasnt included. though difficulty is pretty clear there sooooooo
7:01 WYSI
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WYFSI NOW WAYYYYY
cool video
I wish my genetics were good enough to let me play somewhat hard rhythm games, I really like hard games but it sucks that some of them require a normally functioning brain
In the wise words of Deltron the funky homosapien:
"Rhythm. You have it or you don't. That's a fallacy."
@@PO10TIALrhythm is not even the main problem, some rhythm games despite their name don't give a damn about your rhythm and only check your ability to spam buttons and your reaction, I find them the most difficult
i wish i could watch this but unfortunately it's past my bedtime a little too much, sorry dude
ah dude that's a shame
sleep well
Not even 1k views
What the heck
That's what I'M saying!
I was the "nice" like
first