I laughed when you mentioned Sidious taking Maul to Malachor to give him a "Healthy dose of traumatizing him" , it sounds like you're talking about a parent taking their child to the park for a walk.
I often wonder what Maul would have done had the Jedi found him before Palpatine did. I mean, at his end when he died in Obi-Wan's arms by that desert campfire on Tattooine, it becomes clear if things had turned out that way, he may well have been the one to train Anakin, or did a great many other things.
My guess is that he would have been a great user of the Vaapad technique (if Mace ever allowed it). His fighting style was particularly aggressive even for a Sith so imo he always had that anger in him (being raised by the Nightsisters doesn't help). But I feel like he maintained a good balance after his return, still using the dark side but with much more control than Sidious or Vader. He didn't let himself get consumed.
In all I agree with Mauls view point on the Jedi, while it is kind of unfair that maul is so angry at the jedi for not saving him when they couldnt have possibly known about what he was going through. I do think that he absolutely has a point, the jedi at that point had become hipocrites to their own supposed ideas. the jedi were known as saviors and protectors however they did things such as take children from their parents at a very young age, no different from how sidious did to maul. And even the grandmaster of the order, Yoda promoted harmful ideals such as extreme emotional suppression.
No different than what Sidious did to Maul? Jedi were trained to be loving and patient. Maul was made to suffer agony every day. Sith murder children. The Jedi don’t.
Brainwashing and murder are the same no matter the target. Both sides have brainwashed children and killed more than their fair share. Both sides are not pure good or pure evil. There is always light in the dark and dark in the light.
@@iloveyoushimathey arn't worth arguing with. Modern people don't have real experience and are ignorant. They only have what they are told. There isn't any arguing with stones and fools. Good luck.
wow really shows were his character comes from, and yet he still kinda cares. i mean when i watched clone wars and rebbles i got a pretty good feeling that he cared a little bit about things then most sith did. sure shows how strong he is knowing all of this
In all honesty, Maul wasn't wrong in his hatred of the Jedi, they weren't the defenders of the peace in the Clone Wars era you see this over, and over again but the best, most compelling example is Shmi Skywalker. The Jedi took her son, left her enslaved, ignored her own son's warnings of her death and ultimately left her to die a painful, horrible, death at the hands of savage Sand People.
Right so lets break this down Barney style for the people at the back of the class. Watto did not want to sell and could not be mind tricked into it. The Hutts rulled the outter rim. If they forcibly took Schmi this would cause war with the Hutt. So what you are saying is lets go to war on our own contrary to the governments position. No matter how many innocents die as a result. So tell me cupcake why are you not grabbing a rifle and righting wrongs where human trafficing is concerned?
And why could he not, he went to the Jedi Grandmaster about his visions and Yoda did nothing because his mother was in Hutt space, a single Jedi knight can turn the tide of any battle, it didn't have to be Anakin who went to rescue her had the Jedi dispatched even a single Padawan and made an effort to save Shmi even if she died of her wounds on the Lars farmstead that'd of been a significant improvement over dying in the Tuskan camp that tortured her to death.
@@chadflanaganCFC I don't disagree they should have tried to find a way to save her, but even so I kinda get the hesitation. Piss off the Hutts and you could start another intergalactic conflict. And if they Republic outlaws the Jedi, it would end up like they did when the Empire took over, making it impossible for them to do what they are supposed to do.
@@JDog2656The Jedi had ways of getting there ways they could of talked the hutts into freeing her and allowing Anakin to face time her at least once a month as well as tell him stories how he is a lot like Qui Gon in terms of being more of a maverick and one that believed in following the willing force over all more then anything else yeah.
In his final moments, some might think Maul was using the plural "us" to say that the Chosen One would avenge him and Obi-Wan. It's more likely in context that he meant he believed the Chosen One would avenge the Sith. In a way he was still right, and Luke was the key to Anakin doing so. The calm that came over him as he passed is still so chilling. He probably hadn't felt that sort of peace in his entire life.
@@stonerscribetvSidious would never become a Jedi even if he was brought there as a baby in Legends he would of turned out like Xanatos who also fell to the darkside under Qui Gons tutelage yeah.
@@DeathWatch-jh3yxThat is lightsaber skills not force potential not the same thing Legends Maul had higher potential then Obi Wan did in Legends and most others except for Abeloth, The Skywalkers, The Solos Through Leias Veins, The Mereks/Sidious, Yoda, Malgus, Dooku, Mace, And Plagueis those were the only peoples who's midichlorian counts surpassed Mauls even before his defeat which would place Maul above Obi Wan, Asajj Ventress, Qui Gon, Plo Koon, Kit Fisto, Yaddle, Shaak Ti, Adi Gahlia, Depa Ballaba, Sora Bulq, Tholme, Quinlan Vos, Sensee Tin, Agen Kolar, Ki Adi Mundi, Tenebrous, Vitiate, Revan, and most others yeah.
Maul just wanted to cancel paid class switch to Jedi and couldn't sleep and started seeing nightmares and woke up and hurried back to PC to cancel before its too late! lol :D
That old novel of maul from his point of view,him narrating the entire book,explains how sidious trained him,and ehat he went through 😳😵😱 dude sidious was brutal and sick, poor young Maul,the ine thsg got me was Sidious woke him up all crazy n attavked him or something and maul ran and there was glass n stuff knt he ground amd had to run through it,it was cold af too😮
Something else to factor in, Maul was born and raised within a darkside location. Maul's parents native environment was eat or be eaten, heighten aggression and fear of danger leads to anger. Even IF a night sister would give their child to a Jedi to raise, Maul still would silently stalk his classmates and size them up for take downs.
So did the sith which is why I prefer more balanced force users like Qui Gon, Quinlan, Yaddle, Dooku, Mace(With His Fighting Style At Least), Shaak Ti, and a few others yeah.
When Palp became the Emperor of the Galactic Empire, they rule with the iron hand as fascists (and discriminate against aliens/non-humans). Would Maul think this is okay or better than the Republic?
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Rule your anger and not let your anger rule you. Good villain quote.
its surprising how much wisdom sidious and plagueis have
I laughed when you mentioned Sidious taking Maul to Malachor to give him a "Healthy dose of traumatizing him" , it sounds like you're talking about a parent taking their child to the park for a walk.
I just thought about my employer.
In a very real sense Palpatine was Maul's father.
I often wonder what Maul would have done had the Jedi found him before Palpatine did. I mean, at his end when he died in Obi-Wan's arms by that desert campfire on Tattooine, it becomes clear if things had turned out that way, he may well have been the one to train Anakin, or did a great many other things.
Similarly interesting is Maul's last words "He will avenge us", he put Kenobi and himself in the same sentence as a collective.
My guess is that he would have been a great user of the Vaapad technique (if Mace ever allowed it).
His fighting style was particularly aggressive even for a Sith so imo he always had that anger in him (being raised by the Nightsisters doesn't help).
But I feel like he maintained a good balance after his return, still using the dark side but with much more control than Sidious or Vader. He didn't let himself get consumed.
@@srccde that’s a nice argument senator, why don’t you back it up with a source?
Explain how this is even possible. In what universe would Mother Talzin hand over her son to a Jedi?
@@srccdeNo it was about Luke avenging them yeah.
In all I agree with Mauls view point on the Jedi, while it is kind of unfair that maul is so angry at the jedi for not saving him when they couldnt have possibly known about what he was going through. I do think that he absolutely has a point, the jedi at that point had become hipocrites to their own supposed ideas. the jedi were known as saviors and protectors however they did things such as take children from their parents at a very young age, no different from how sidious did to maul. And even the grandmaster of the order, Yoda promoted harmful ideals such as extreme emotional suppression.
Lies. They Jedi are built on nothing but lies -- and, they always have been.
No different than what Sidious did to Maul? Jedi were trained to be loving and patient. Maul was made to suffer agony every day. Sith murder children. The Jedi don’t.
@@iloveyoushima like with Anakin? The Jedi have a long list of horrific deeds -- including child murder.
Brainwashing and murder are the same no matter the target. Both sides have brainwashed children and killed more than their fair share. Both sides are not pure good or pure evil. There is always light in the dark and dark in the light.
@@iloveyoushimathey arn't worth arguing with. Modern people don't have real experience and are ignorant. They only have what they are told. There isn't any arguing with stones and fools. Good luck.
"Canon" always makes me laugh. That is just Disney trying to control the narrative. And they are nosediving.
Well you sniff Sith who were vaporized, and try to not be addicted to killing Jedi. That's some Heisenberg stuff
wow really shows were his character comes from, and yet he still kinda cares. i mean when i watched clone wars and rebbles i got a pretty good feeling that he cared a little bit about things then most sith did. sure shows how strong he is knowing all of this
Sounds like Maul is more akin to a disciple of Khorne. As opposed to an actual Jedi
In all honesty, Maul wasn't wrong in his hatred of the Jedi, they weren't the defenders of the peace in the Clone Wars era you see this over, and over again but the best, most compelling example is Shmi Skywalker. The Jedi took her son, left her enslaved, ignored her own son's warnings of her death and ultimately left her to die a painful, horrible, death at the hands of savage Sand People.
Right so lets break this down Barney style for the people at the back of the class.
Watto did not want to sell and could not be mind tricked into it.
The Hutts rulled the outter rim.
If they forcibly took Schmi this would cause war with the Hutt.
So what you are saying is lets go to war on our own contrary to the governments position. No matter how many innocents die as a result.
So tell me cupcake why are you not grabbing a rifle and righting wrongs where human trafficing is concerned?
She willingly gave Anakin to Qui-gon to give him a better life. He tried to free her but could not.
And why could he not, he went to the Jedi Grandmaster about his visions and Yoda did nothing because his mother was in Hutt space, a single Jedi knight can turn the tide of any battle, it didn't have to be Anakin who went to rescue her had the Jedi dispatched even a single Padawan and made an effort to save Shmi even if she died of her wounds on the Lars farmstead that'd of been a significant improvement over dying in the Tuskan camp that tortured her to death.
@@chadflanaganCFC I don't disagree they should have tried to find a way to save her, but even so I kinda get the hesitation. Piss off the Hutts and you could start another intergalactic conflict. And if they Republic outlaws the Jedi, it would end up like they did when the Empire took over, making it impossible for them to do what they are supposed to do.
@@JDog2656The Jedi had ways of getting there ways they could of talked the hutts into freeing her and allowing Anakin to face time her at least once a month as well as tell him stories how he is a lot like Qui Gon in terms of being more of a maverick and one that believed in following the willing force over all more then anything else yeah.
I wonder what would've happened had Maul taken that vision in a less violent way
How can the weak become strong if they are slaughter and not guided?
In his final moments, some might think Maul was using the plural "us" to say that the Chosen One would avenge him and Obi-Wan. It's more likely in context that he meant he believed the Chosen One would avenge the Sith. In a way he was still right, and Luke was the key to Anakin doing so. The calm that came over him as he passed is still so chilling. He probably hadn't felt that sort of peace in his entire life.
This one gave me goosebumps.
Good job.
My dude od'd on jedi when he met up with Obi-Wan
At full potentials in Legends Maul would be the fifth most powerful Jedi in the order after Anakin, Yoda, Dooku, And Mace yeah
Sixth. Obiwans defense it’s too good.
Pretty sure mauls potential was dubbed to surpass sidious, recon he’d been between Anakin and yoda.
@@Knuckles-hl1fpThat is Canon Maul I was talking about LEGENDS yeah.
@@stonerscribetvSidious would never become a Jedi even if he was brought there as a baby in Legends he would of turned out like Xanatos who also fell to the darkside under Qui Gons tutelage yeah.
@@DeathWatch-jh3yxThat is lightsaber skills not force potential not the same thing Legends Maul had higher potential then Obi Wan did in Legends and most others except for Abeloth, The Skywalkers, The Solos Through Leias Veins, The Mereks/Sidious, Yoda, Malgus, Dooku, Mace, And Plagueis those were the only peoples who's midichlorian counts surpassed Mauls even before his defeat which would place Maul above Obi Wan, Asajj Ventress, Qui Gon, Plo Koon, Kit Fisto, Yaddle, Shaak Ti, Adi Gahlia, Depa Ballaba, Sora Bulq, Tholme, Quinlan Vos, Sensee Tin, Agen Kolar, Ki Adi Mundi, Tenebrous, Vitiate, Revan, and most others yeah.
I remember this comic it was really interesting
Can you analyse darth maul fighting style
Sideous should of taught him not play with his food then again that's how Sideous died sith like to squeeze and draw out their victories
Maul is such a good character, but I don't think he'd be as cool as a Jedi instead of a Sith/Dark Jedi.
Maul just wanted to cancel paid class switch to Jedi and couldn't sleep and started seeing nightmares and woke up and hurried back to PC to cancel before its too late! lol :D
It took me a bit to click on the video because of chuckling at the title. Well done.
I have a Sith Lord assassin that looks like Darth maul but his name is DARTH KOUHON
Same , I will never be a Jedi to I agree with Maul here 🔥
That old novel of maul from his point of view,him narrating the entire book,explains how sidious trained him,and ehat he went through 😳😵😱 dude sidious was brutal and sick, poor young Maul,the ine thsg got me was Sidious woke him up all crazy n attavked him or something and maul ran and there was glass n stuff knt he ground amd had to run through it,it was cold af too😮
Ironic the DARKSIDE would decide to have a Darksider, especially a Sith at the time... Dreamwalk a mile in a Jedi's shoes
Something else to factor in, Maul was born and raised within a darkside location.
Maul's parents native environment was eat or be eaten, heighten aggression and fear of danger leads to anger.
Even IF a night sister would give their child to a Jedi to raise, Maul still would silently stalk his classmates and size them up for take downs.
Why would maul do that?
This story is so full of logical inconsistencies it's painful to listen to lol.
it's, true, though.
The Jedi sucked at a lot of things lol
So did the sith which is why I prefer more balanced force users like Qui Gon, Quinlan, Yaddle, Dooku, Mace(With His Fighting Style At Least), Shaak Ti, and a few others yeah.
When Palp became the Emperor of the Galactic Empire, they rule with the iron hand as fascists (and discriminate against aliens/non-humans). Would Maul think this is okay or better than the Republic?
considering the team made it where the light side was right, it only makes any dark sider that much dumber.
He should have thrown Obi-Wan's lightsaber down the .
"From My point of view the Jedi are evil" Darth Vader
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Day 388 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
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The title is an unsupported click bait hot take. *Avoid*
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LFG.
Maul was literally raised to hate and murder Jedi