While Anakin was the “chosen one” I feel Maul was an embodiment of the dark side. He fully embraced his emotions to fuel his abilities and true to the “basic” tenants of the dark side of the force. I’m talking about mentality and potential, not current power or skill.
maul matched clone wars level obi wan with his mid eclorian level "cut in half" :P Maul was a beast and possibly matched some of the highest eclorian counts in the SWU pre naboo@@aceclover758
@@aceclover758from what I remember I think it was stated if he reached his full potential he’d be right up under sidious in power which is crazy honestly
@@claytonrichardson3201 yeah, I've heard that and I'd honestly believe it - he was going toe to toe with powerful Jedi and he was only trained as a Sith Assassin, not a Sith Lord.
I think he missed Maul for the same reason he was "attached" to Anakin, because he put so much effort in raising him, the two was his possessions and when the two failed in both their separate missions he was so pissed off.
Obi Wan sliced and diced BOTH of his apprentices. And gave a hand in Dooku's demise as well. I just do not understand why Sheev didn't off Kenobi himself.
It's crazy how much of a thorn Obi-Wan was for Palpatine's apprentices ! Obi-Wan defeated Maul, forcing Palpatine to seek out a new apprentice in Dooku who wanted to turn Obi-Wan to the Dark Side, Obi-Wan defeated Anakin forcing Palpatine to rebuild him with cybernetics, & Obi-Wan would train Luke before dying becoming a Force Ghost gaining Luke to use the Force to destroy the Death Star & to Dagobah where he trained under Yoda! Then Obi-Wan confirmed Darth Vader was Luke's father & that Leia was his sister, leading Luke to try & redeem Anakin rather than kill him which resulted in Luke refusing to kill his father leading Anakin to return & kill Palpatine!
Dude this is all straight facts. Obi wan was more of a threat to sidious than qui gon and he was more focused on qui gon the whole time. It’s like the dark side didn’t even warm him at all about obi wan
Maul was the only apprentice Palpatine bonded with. He didn't love maul per say but he valued him and genuinely felt he was a loss. Dooku was a pawn maul was his true apprentice. That is until anakin came along
Canon wise yeah in Legends while Sids was pissed that Maul failed alive or not, arrested or not etc it was because Sidious planned to use Maul in the roles of Asajj, Grievous, And possibly Durge with Dooku being the actual apprentice to Sidious outranking Maul until The Skywalkers, The Solos Of Leias Fam, Or The Mereks came a long had none of those people been in the picture then Dooku would of been Sidious ultimate apprentice unless they could Clone Yoda or revive Malgus while Maul was meant to be there top dark acolyte possibly having Maul outrank Asajj, Grievous, And Durge as well as Quinlan and others Maul would be Dookus And Sidious top assassin compared to the others in Legends yeah.
@@matthewmann8969maul was always meant to surpass sidious. His mother talzin was feared across the galaxy. Sidious took in maul to keep mother talzin peaceful
@@AncientChiIn Canon Maul was meant to surpass Sidious as he had the potential to Legends Maul had a potential that was high but not sith or sith lord potential but top tier dark acolyte material even higher then Ventress unlike Plagueis, Dooku, And Sidious as well as The Mereks, Skywalkers, And The Solos within Leias boomers while Grievous And Durge had potentials as mid tier acolytes. Canon Mauls potential was higher then Talzins own which is why Sids ditched Talzin for Maul that and Maul was much younger and mind was easier to mold then Talzins and Sidious planned on Maul surpassing him one day but changed his mind after Mauls failure on Naboo whether he knew Maul still survived or not THAT and he had a currently more powerful person as insurance if something like that happened in Dooku and then not long after found out about Anakin who has the highest potential ever monitored that and he was a piloting, mechanical, and robotic savant yeah.
@@keanonkerr9265 If that was the case then Sidious would of told Plagueis that those were his true intentions for Maul when he got Plagueis drunk, dizzy, ditzy, and drowsy but no instead he kept calling Maul by assassin a valuable one but a assassin none the less with his sights already on Dooku even before Mauls big failure alive or not instead Sidious said he as in Sidious in third person was the apprentice to Plagueis and Maul was there assassin not a true sith aside from in name until he found someone more powerful in potential and current power levels IE Dooku and later on The Skywalkers, Mereks, And The Solos Within Leias Line this is proven in Labyrinth Of Evil too when Sidious thoughts about looking for other replacements for Maul who Sidious noted was his first apprentice but in reality thought Maul was truly not sith but a assassin like Ventress And Grievous although a more powerful, skilled, higher potentialed one, etc and that he saw Jedi Master Dooku around TPM Era as a equal to himself from the other camp in terms of power=Jedi Arts, lightsaber skills=Mastrful Duelist, and politics and governance= A skilled diplomat and recognized in Jedi Master Dooku TPM Circa as a true ally unlike what he saw in Maul, Sifo Dyas, Qui Gon, Ventress, And Grievous that speaks higher of Dookus potential and current power levels and this was a Sidious who became more powerful after killing Plagueis thinking this so that speaks volumes plus he said he gained more powerful apprentices in Dooku who was more poweful then Maul even as a Jedi Master and Anakin who was more poweful then Tyrannus even as a Jedi Knight. Plus Plagueis thought of Dooku much like himself and Sidious as sith lord material for a combination of logics such as potential, current power levels, IQ, EQ, wealth, and more when Dooku was still a Jedi while he did not see that in Maul, Sifo Dyas, Nor Qui Gon that also speaks lots of quality. Plus one of the reasons Yoda chose Dooku to be his one on one apprentice was because of Dookus potential with the force being enigmatic even for himself to come to a conclusion meaning Dookus potential was near Yodas own that AND unlike Anakin Dooku was brought into the order at a more youthful ager yeah.
he did kill qui gon jin, obi wan was not just a padawan, he was pretty much a top tier knight in his own right at that point, as anakin describes him "he's powerfull as master Windu and wise as master Yoda"
@@istoppedcaring6209 Obi-Wan was officially a Padawan but ready to become a knight, he wasn't top tier by any account, he later became that way thanks to his experience, dedication and wisdom. Maul just lost because of being to cocky, not because of Obi matching his skills.
Dooku: "Sidious, I like you and everything, but if this is going to be serious, I need to know that you're over him." Palpy: "Tyrannous, my bro, you know I only have eyes for you. He means nothing to me anymore." Dooku: "Okay... if you really mean it..." Palpy: "Now we need to get you some new gear..." Dooku: "Sure - wait... why?" Palpy: "Let's go shopping..." Dooku: "Sidious, I swear to god..." Palpy: "At the Darth Maul!" Dooku: "I knew it! I'm going home. Call me when you're ready to move on." Palpy: "Oh god, I miss him so much!"
He called him a rival, that's pretty much a compliment in Sith . He's saying you are powerful enough to be a threat to me, though since palpatine had now spent so much time grooming Anakin and his old apprentice was now weakened from losing a significant amount of his body (would be a shame for that to happen again) Sidious had abandoned the idea of taking on Maul as an apprentice.
"I am most impressed to see you have survived your injuries." "I used your training, master, and I have built all this in hopes of returning to your side" "Hmm, how unfortunate that you are attempting to deceive me" "Master?" "You have become a rival" "Remember: the first & only reality of the sith. There can only be two. And YOU ARE NO LONGER MY APPRENTICE. YOU HAVE BEEN REPLACED" "Have mercy please, please" "There is no mercy. Do not worry, I'm not going to kill you. I have other uses for you"
kinda odd sidious was so upset about maul being defeated by a padawan when he actually fought both at once and defeated the master who was the prime target.
@@jovanleonardi1574 I isee your point. I agree he was done in by hubris, but also i think obi wan tapped into the darkside for the only time in his life and surprised maul. Also, Obi wan could have been using battle meditation or helping in some other way. The force isnt stopped by a laser field. Its also stated that ataru is extremely exhausting, so the fact that maul was fighting 2v1 before facing qui gon shows how talented and powerful maul was imo
@@zedbruh7212 i agree with the dark side bit and maul definitely was surprised but after being surprised he then took the upper hand than gloated, giving obi wan the chance to calm down and clear his mind. at this moment of their lives maul was definitely the better fighter of the 3.
Obi-Wan was Padawan only in name, he was 25 and Qui-Gon said Obi-Wan is ready to be Jedi Knight in Episode 1. Thats similar to Luke being Padawan in RotJ while defeating Vader. Both Vader and Maul underestimated Obi-Wan and Luke, Maul thought Obi-Wan was unarmed.
This makes me think about how Darth Bane would have never sought to turn Anakin or Dooku to the Dark Side (you'll see how this is related in a moment). In his opinion, those who had been exposed to Jedi teachings would always have a sliver of Light within them which could result in utter disaster. Vader's redemption confirmed this theory to be legitimate. That being said, turning Dooku (one of the Order's greatest swordsmen) and Anakin ( the Chosen One) to the Dark Side were both opportunities too good to pass up, and both cases served as massive blows to the Jedi on both a physical and psychological level. Palpatine's mistake, in my opinion, was choosing to save Anakin after his defeat on Mustafar. By that point, Anakin had served his purpose by sacking the Jedi Temple and killing the Separatists. With him barely clinging to life on Mustafar, it was time to let him go, just like Dooku as the Clone War was coming to an end. So why didn't he? I think what happened to Darth Maul greatly influenced Palpatine's decision to save Anakin. As stated in this video, Maul was a significant loss, and had Palpatine investigated his supposed death more closely and found him, Maul would have recovered much faster and continued to be a useful asset al while growing more powerful. Instead, he succumbed to madness until Savage Opress found him years later. Even though Maul's sanity was restored and he was given proper cybernetics, his progress was significantly halted and he had to work hard to catch up to where he once was. Palpatine did not want to risk a repeat of history, so he went out of his way to save Vader instead of replacing him like with Maul and this would prove to be a fatal mistake.
After order 66 there were no more Jedis to turn and most of the force sensitives were killed or used as inquisitors. Anakin, even in his suit, had more potential than any other possible candidate and proved it over time. He was, after all, the Chosen One.
Even if Palpatine knew Maul was still alive by TPM Era it wouldn't matter since 1. Maul was still crippled up badly not just physically but also mentally and emotionally immediately after his defeat and the only way to fix him for the most part completely or mostly would be to make another deal with Talzin which Sidious knew she would never agree to have Maul go back into his services apprentice or otherwise. 2. While Dooku in terms of potential was below Maul his current power level even as a Jedi Master was above Mauls before his defeat and after plus he was insurance in case Maul either got crippled up badly, got imprisoned in a high profile leveling jedi force prison, decided to betray Sidious first, turned to the grey side or light side, resigned being a sith, or died any one of those things if they happened he had Dooku as insurance just in case if none of those things happened then he would still use Dooku but not as a apprentice but as a ultimate top tier acolyte. And Dooku became even more powerful as a dark sider. 3. Anakin was in the picture who has a potential in the force that nobody matches not even The Mortis Deities plus his piloting and mechanical skills also came in handy too yeah.
The novelization states that he did foresee Darth Maul dying. At the park where he says at last we realized myself to the Jedi last we would have revenge. It stated that Darth Sidious knew that Darth Maul was going to die
Which novel? In Episode 1 Novel Sidious says it was bad luck and chance. Novel says: ''He had been more than the equal of the Jedi Knights he had faced and should have been able to defeat them easily. It was bad luck and chance that had led to his death, a combination that even the power of the dark side could not always overcome.''
Palpatine found Maul as a child, he literally raised him and was proud of his student. It was the closest thing he had to a son, and he figured Maul could take both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. He was upset because while Maul killed the main target who he specified to take out (Qui-Gon) but lost to a student who should not have the skill he did (Obi-Wan). Palpatine also trained Maul himself and was very hands on since he really did put a lot of effort into making him so skilled. Maul also proved he was really good in battle and had it been any other master and student it’s very likely he would have killed both.
It's also highly noteworthy that while Obi-Wan was technically a Padawan, he was extremely close to the rank of Jedi Knight regardless of his victory over Maul. Shortly before the dual in The Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan himself states that he is ready for the trials!
Yea but just because he thinks he is ready doesnt mean he actually is its like a student thinking they will pass an exam but there is always a chance he just thought wrong
There are 2 twings you need to think about in that context: 1. Palpatine doesn't know what we do. He doesn't know that Maul was just lucky that Savage found him. For him, Maul likely faked his death in the very Moment where Papatine started a plan that would distract him for decades, giving Maul a great opportunity to build his own empire in the shadows. That impressed him. He thought that Maul tricked him. He already had problems believing Maul lost to a padawan, so it was logical to think that Maul just faked it. He was impressed how smart Maul was and we all know how important that was for Palpatine. 2. Maul was the only real Sith Palpatine ever trained. Doku was just a Jedi with force lightning, never worthy of being a sith and Vader had 20 years, still never plotting against Palpatine. He never showed any signs of interest in exploring the dark side. He was just a broken man who followed him because he had nobody else left. In Canon at least, Vader never had any plans for the Future. Besides that, Maul was incredible strong. He neither had the experience of Doku, nor the force potential of Vader, still managed to fight in the same league. He could even hold his own for about a Minute against Palpatine. The incredible about that is that Maul wasn't that strong. He was just the only apprentice of Palpatine who was able to use his haitred to its full extends, giving him the biggest feat of all his apprentices: fighting toe to toe with Palpatine, even if only for a Moment.
The reason why Maul did so well against people outside his league power and skill wise was because of his physical abilities and unarmed combat mastery yeah.
Darth Maul was the closest thing Palpatine had ri a child Even as they turned against eachother Sidious was always proud of Maul. How he keeps surviving and keep amusing him with Maul’s schemes. Proud that he still held true of being a Sith Lord at heart. If Anakin wasn’t around, Sidious would been glad to have Maul as his right hand. If Maul, wasn’t defeated at Naboo, then Sidious would have given him a chance for just that, to possibly fight against Dooku and Anakin, and If victorious let Maul be the enforcer of the future Empire
Maul,was everything Sodious truly loved, and even actually trained him, but not Dooki or Vader. Mauls rise to power was Sidioud pride and joy, he even let him live after capturing him
Maul may have been a loss, but he did complete the minimum required for Palpatine's plan at the time, to eliminate Qui Gon. Palpatine learned something important after Naboo. He was too hands on, too preoccupied with the small details micromanaging others like Nute Gunray. He needed a proxy, Dooku who could be the middle manager and serve as the sith decoy while Palpatine could focus on the bigger picture. Maul and Sidious did a lot of work in the shadows, but Palpatine and Dooku did twice as much work in both the shadows and in the public. Using both their "public" and "private" identities
@@kevin-2.1 it's more than that. I feel like in the end maul understands the futility of the war between the sith and Jedi. After fighting his whole life it's really tragic. I'm glad obi wan was able to understand him in the end
I figured it out thanks to you guys. It's because maul became the antithesis to obi wan for the sake of his own survival. For the dark side to sustain his life he needed obi wan to embody his hatred. He was almost obligated to become everything ben fought against. An interesting parallel to anakin
As Palpatine said to Yoda, your arrogance blinds you master Yoda, but arrogance was the sith's biggest weakness, and it’s ultimately how Palatine died to Vader and lost to the rebels. He was so arrogant and blinded by his rage to kill Luke that he couldn’t sense Vader's conflict because of his arrogance. Same with count Dooku taking Anakin lightly in their duel, arrogantly thinking he was too powerful and trained to well in lightsaber combat, then Anakin ended up using his rage and anger to kill him, and same with Maul toying with obi teasing him before it was too late and he couldn’t realize obi wan was using the force to grab the lightsaber. Ultimately getting arrogant and cocky thus being blinded by it. Last but not least the biggest one is anakins duel with obi wan. Loosing 60-70 percent of his force ability because of his pure arrogance and disregard for obi wan as a duelist. Thinking he could use the same move and his master, that his master did to darth maul, when obi wan said DON’T TRY IT, thinking he was invincible, which is yet another example of how much the sith were blinded by arrogance.
That and Dooku was defeated by Pirates which is even more embarrassing then Mauls defeat to a Padawan arrogance or otherwise plus Maul before his defeat had a potential higher then Talzins and debatably Sidious own after his handicaps even if alive was useless mostly then when The Dathomirian Magical Sources gave Maul his potential, body, mind, and soul back he was too tied to Talzin And Savage plus Dooku was still more powerful then Maul currently not in potential at that point yeah.
I believe that if Maul hadn't been abandoned by Sidious, Maul would've been loyal to the end, and been probably been on par with power of Vader, not Anakin, but Vader, since he lost so much power from losing his limbs. And Sidious could've counted on a loyal apprentice to the bitter end, one that would follow orders without hesitation, and almost perfect results, knowing his will was put first, not what Maul thought was necessary, or wrong and right.
That depends Maul before being fixed up by Talzin and the Dathomirian world magics lost his mind, body, soul, and potential so even if Sids knew Maul survived he also knew the only way to get Maul back his original self was to make a deal with Talzin which he knew she would not agree to due to Sids stealing her child right under her nose yeah.
@@matthewmann8969 No no no, not after that, I meant if Sidious found Maul before all that, found out he had died, and looked for him in the force, or akin to that. Found Maul, and got him fixed up again. If Sidious did it fast enough, I'm sure Maul would've kept his mind intact, he lived like that for years which eventually broke him. But if only spent maybe a month, or lets say half a year, remember Sidious has a lot of wealth to get the best help. And can probably reach out to Maul in the force and find his location, I bet Maul would reach out back if he sensed Sidious is looking for him. Then bring him back covertly, and do like a Grievous moment with his lower body, similar to the legs Mommy gave him, but more Sith focused in utility and design
@@NightBane345Okay but given that Sidious had a low tolerance for failures like Mauls and the fact that Dooku who while was not as powerful as Maul in potential was more powerful with current power stayers even as a Jedi around TPM era Dooku was one of the few Jedi who currently outranked Maul in power along with Yoda And Mace at that point as insurance if something did not work out with Maul alive or not he probably would of let Maul rot there anyways THAT and Anakin was also on his radar who was said to be the Chosen One with even higher countings then The Mortis Watchers And The Wills plus Maul not only losing his body but constantly hitting his head repeatadly agsinst strong debry must of caused lots of brain damage that even the force could not fully take care of hence where Dathomrian Magics not just any magics was the only fixture yeah.
@@matthewmann8969 Sidious would for sure punish Maul in a way similar to Vader I imagine, some small disadvantage in his new body parts. Along with some proper torture with lightning and mental torture, I have no doubt about that. But Sidious would most likely make Dooku part of his plans, while keeping Maul around, I imagine in a way close to Grievous, or for specific missions, making Maul turn almost into a "bogyman" of sorts for the Jedi. While keeping him out of the big league facing Yoda, Windu and especially Anakin. While being promised to get Obi-Wan when the time was right. Maul knew he wasn't a proper Sith Lord, or even a Darth, and more of a brunt object, and even if he thought he could be that, if Sidious told him Anakin would be his true apprentice, the damage done to Maul's psyche would be so great, I doubt he'd really go against Sidious. Maul was a loyal puppet, and served Sidious faithfully, because of the massive trials and torture Sidious did to make him stronger, but also into a puppet.
@@NightBane345 Not to be rude or disrespectful but you are getting Canon Maul And Legends Maul mixed up in Legends Maul even before his big humiliation was sith only in name when in reality he was only a toppest tier dark acolyte albeit a superior one in potential, current power levels, saber skill, and on compared to Asajj Ventress, Quinlan Vos, Sora Bulq, Grievous, Durge, and others his potential was not as high in Legends not compared to Plagueis, Maces, Dookus, Malgus, Yodas, Sidious/Galen Mereks, The Solos Under Leias Lines, Abeloth, Or The Skywalkers Mauls potential was a bit above Plo Koon And Yaddles though which still shows he was no joke but still not as high as the others I mentioned Plagueis seeing Sidious, Dooku, And Himself as sith to sith lord material speaks volumes of things while he only viewed Maul, Sifo Dyas, And Qui Gon fit for bring dark acolytes with Maul being the superior one of those three plus Sidious kept calling Maul there assassin even when he was revealing all the lies and half truths to Plagueis on his ending Maul being fit for just a top of the list assassin was actually true he never said how he was actually training Maul as a apprentice behind Plagueis back because Sidious already had his eyes on Dooku even before Mauls defeat and sensed higher potential in Dooku then he did in Maul and even Plagueis plus Yoda took Dooku as his one on one apprentice which Yoda rarely does unless he senses someone has near equal potential to him Yoda thinking in his mind how Dookus potential in the force was mysterious even for himself to put a finger on it plus was training Dooku as a potential successor he saw greater potential then he saw in every other Jedi including Mace with only Yoda And Anakin having higher markers then Dookers in the order the reason why Yoda did not take Ani one on one like he did Dooku was because Dooku came to the order at a younger aging had Anakin been brought to the order at the same age as Dooku which is like four or five rather then nine then Yoda would of took little Ani one on one too while Dookus potency was near Yoda level Anis was above Yoda level, Had Maul not got beaten on Naboo more specific Theed then he would serve in the roles of Ventress And Grievous most likely with Dooku outranking Maul in potential, current power levels, saber skill, IQ, EQ, Political acuman, And Government genius with Mauls only advantages over Dooku are physical abilities and unarmed combat yeah. Canon on the other while Maul BEFORE HIS DEFEAT was definately meant to be a actual sith or sith lord and not just in title his potential noted as being higher then Talzins own and probably even Sidious. Had Maul not been cut into half, part, or a slice and become brain hindered then Maul would continue on as Sidious official apprentice until Anakin comes along with Dooku being there top form dark acolyte since Dookus count was not what it was in Legends but current wise he was more powerful then Maul by TPM Era but Maul would grow more powerful without the unabling then Dooku in a half decade or more and rival or surpass Sidious in powering too Sidious only replaced Maul with The Count because Maul even if inhaling and exhaling was too damaged up to be effective prior to The Dathomir hacks or hacking or hackings but even if Maul did not get replaced by Dooku he devinately would by Ani when the time came yeah.
Maul may have been a tool but he was a hand made custom tool that palpatine took years if not decades to make, built and finally customized. Duku. A tool you a the store for simplify getting the job done. Anakin a tool the store will customize for you but you got to give them time to create it. Finally Maul tool that you made personally. Every inch for the ground was made by your hands personally
It's understandable Sidious felt like this. Maul was indeed loos and great shock. He raised Maul from infancy,taught him everything,was almost like father to him. He had plans too.Now that happened,things changed. He had to move quickly.To think even faster. Than Dooku appeared.Plans could begin again.Though Dooku was just a pawn.May the Force be with you too😊
With or within or in or inside of Legends Dooku was already eyed on as a potential apprentice even before Maul was bested in Naboo alive or not Plagueis had his sights on Dooku, Maul, Sifo Dyas, And Qui Gon yet out of those four he saw Dooku as sith lord material just like himself and Palps and I am sure Sids shared those thoughts they both sensed greater potent in Dookers then Mauly and greater potential in Maul then Sifo, Qui Gon, Asajj, And Grievous in that order. Had Maul won the fight on Naboo completely then he would be in the position of Asajj And Grievous or he would still have them work under him with Dooku being Sidious second in command until either The Skywalkers, The Mereks, And Or The Solos With Leias Blood Vessels came along in his sights yeah.
While losing to Obiwan was an epic failure, it should not be overlooked that Maul took on Master Qui-gan and Obiwan at the same time, AND defeated Qui-gan (Qui-gan was among the elite Jedi at his time).
In Legends Maul was meant to serve in the roles of Asajj, Grievous, And maybe Durge had he not failed but he would not be the apprentice Dooku would be after all in Legends he had more potential in the force then Maul as well as was currently more powerful even as a Jedi heck Yoda said how Dookus potential in the force is enigmatic even for himself to comprehend meaning Dookus potential within Legends was not too much below Yodas maybe only by one hundred points with Maces potential being slightly below Dookus which is one of the main reasons Yoda choose Dooku to be his one on one student which Yoda rarely did unless someone had a super high potential even if not as high as himself and Plagueis seeing Dooku as sith lord material while he only saw Maul as a top sith acolyte slash assassin and Sidious thought of Maul the same way even before the failure yeah.
@@AncientChi No even in Canon Mauls potential was not the highest compared to The Skywalkers And The Solos Within Leias Bloodline nor The Mortis Deities of Abeloth it would either be near Sidious level, at Sidious level, or a bit higher then Sidious level yeah.
If sidious wanted anakin as his apprentice cuse of his high miniclorian count why not just take his dna blood before he was burned and ether put it inside himself or in mauls dna or create another young clone of anakin/vader without being burned
It's clear he had some attachment to Maul above what he could of done for the Sith, it can't be stressed Maul ended up losing to Padawans time and time again ignoring who those characters were for a moment it was clear his arrogance was a fatal undeniable flaw of his, Sidious knew this but he chose to spare Maul perhaps the single most dangerous person to Palpatine's plans in the time of the Clone Wars and he refused to kill this person I'd go as far as to say Palpatine maybe even cared about Maul. Despite you know programming the clones to off him in order 66.
One quality that i think Maul had over Dooku and even Anakin was the fact that he was born on Dathomir and had an almost symbiotic relationship with the Dark Side of the force. He didn't try to subjugate the dark side like other sith did. It was part of who he was, so his potential was a lot higher in that aspect.
Missed opportunity. Why bother concealing Sidious? Had they worked the movie around Sidious Rise and Analkin awakening to the force, the ending could've been him murdering Plagueis and Maul losing the connection to the dark side by a mere moment, enough for Obi Wan to dissect him.
Stupidest move ever making this guy a one & done in the prequel trilogy. Maul could’ve carried the prequels and finally fought Anakin for the right to stand next to Sidious.
I don’t understand how he could’ve missed him so much considering maul literally lived and then palpatine disowned him and could care less about him after learning he didn’t die on Naboo
No way. Maul was a blunt instrument. An assassin. He didn't have the cunning or political skill to become Emperor. And, he was overly arrogant. He over estimated his skills and abilities. Palpatine spent 20+ years in setting himself up to take control of the Senate and cloud the Jedi. I doubt Maul could have even come close.
@@venkateshg3171 The crime lord of the galaxy? Are you kidding? He wasn't as big as Jabba's ring... much less the Hutt cartel. He couldn't hope to challenge Black Sun. Or Zann. Or even the Pike Syndicate. What he did do....stupidly... was try to challenge Palpatine. And failed.
Maul was warned multiple times to not be overconfident and just finish the duel. That's why Maul should have never been taught form 7. It leaves you wide open. Form 6 is fine. Along with form 5, 4,3,2.1/
Palpatine did not seem to know what an ancient Earth general did: _No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy._ It was his arrogance that made him put all his bets on Maul. Just as the Jedi Council refused to believe the Sith could have returned, Sidious refused to believe Maul could lose. Arrogance all around.
Strange how the sith have the rule of two and the Jedi have a Padawan that they train not really all that different other than one's good and the other is evil
Maul was brute hate, and nothing else. He had the power of hatred, and yet plenty of emptiness to fill with more Sith training. He would have made for a true lord of the Sith.
Can you and the Archivist make a long discussion of "Did Mace Windu really defeated Sidious or Palpatine just let it go on just for Anakin's attention?"
in the alternate timeline of Maul not sustaining such great injuries, he would have honestly been a better antagonist than Dooku ever was. while yse Dooku being the fallen master of QUigan with interesting politics, that got a better written ret con recently with Tales Of The Jedi. still, Maul feels like an objectively better foil for both Anakin and Obiwan: for Anakin, he was also raised as a slave, only treated worse by those around him including his mother, and could easily have been more compelling politically to those systems. not by being silver tongued and having the former Jedi reputation but by being a true symbol, an icon of a victim that rose from the ashes to serve as one of the people the republic failed to protect when to them Anakin was just lucky, for Obiwan he's not just that old man who trained his master and betrayed the order not too long after his former student died but instead Maul is the one who killed his master and has a real chance to use mutual suffering to turn the chosen one. this version of both of them would have more personal stakes; Maul wanting to kill Obiwan for the embarrassment of not killing him with his master, and Anakin for being someone like him in many ways but being the lucky little bastard that not only had a loving mother, a more normal childhood despite being a slave, and being the one Sidious truly wanted. Christopher Lee is a bad ass but Dooku is somewhat a disservice, great in a vacuum but not as good as the Maul to Vader story could have been.
Legends Dooku did in potential, current power levels, IQ, EQ, Political Acumen, Governmental Mindset, As well as lightsaber dueling while Maul only had physical abilities and unarmed combat mastery. In Canon it is more the other side of the coiner yeah.
Hey love ur videos for the record but I’m finding it interesting that the Sith are so evil. Yet Jedi are trained in place I see as similar to a military school. And are told to lose all attachment which in human physiology is a sociopath so I guess I’d love to see a video on how most Jedi are human and are trained to defy human nature and how it’s led to fall of the many powerful Jedi. Maybe there’s no good or bad that yellow sable says balance…..
So did Palpatine want Maul to lead the seperatists then? You make it sound like he had to scramble to find a new apprentice, so does that mean that Dooku wasn't in his sights at the time?
In Legends Dooku definitely was on his mind before Mauls error even because he had the higher potential in the force according to Plagueis And Sidious, as well as current power level, plus he had a higher IQ, EQ, Political Knowledge, Governmental Thought Proccessing, And Business Sense as well as being the ultimate fencer Saber duelist while Maul only had superior unarmed combat and physical abilities yeah.
@@venkateshg3171 No but it was heavily implied that he did in many Legends sources like Yoda Dark Rendezvous, The Darth Plagueis Novel, Labyrinth Of Evil, Jedi Path, Jedi Vs Sith, The Maul Vs Dooku verses section from the Star Wars Insider 109 Magazine, Attack Of The Clones Novel, Revenge Of The Sith Novel, And many other Legends quotes only a smaller number suggest Maul had a equal or higher force potential to the count most suggest Dooku had a much higher one being either near equal or actual equal to Yodas own yeah.
Some how the high ground didn't work for Maul. A terrible death IMO...he watched OWK force jump, pull a light saber and was just not ready.....should have had something better. Maul was a far better with a lightsaber and acrobatics but that is how it was written.
In Legends he was pissed that Maul failed not because he saw Maul as actual sith material or successor material but because had Maul not made that huge error on Naboo there would be no need for Asajj, Grievous, And Durge but Dooku would still be in the apprentice position second in command to Sidious not long after TPM even if they still brought Asajj, Grievous, And Durge into there fold Maul would still outrank all of them in potential, skill, experience, and current power levels. While Dooku woulf be second to Sidious in those aspects particularly with potential and current power levels until The Skywalkers, The Solos Under Leias Liners, Or The Mereks came along yeah. Now in Canon Maul was meant to be a plausible or probable or possible successor his potential in Canon was higher then Talzins own before his crippled state on Naboo and either near Sidious level, at Sidious spot, or higher then Sidious in potential. So Maul in Canon was seen by Sidious to be a loss because had he not failed his mission to the point were only Dathomirian Magics could heal his body, mind, soul, and potential then Sidious would of had Maul in mind as his ultimate apprentice as long as The Skywalkers Nor Solos within Leias Line were not on his radar while Dookus potential in Canon is high it is not what it was in Legends yeah.
If you're reading this, I'm assuming you're a fan... Can we all agree that the rule of two(interesting) is stupid?? Why would anyone take the time to train someone who, to move up, has to eventually kill you? Pass😂
It must be like having your favourite fanboy around. 'At last, we shall reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we shall have revenge!' If you added incredible wealth and power to that, he might as well have been inside ole Palp's head! th-cam.com/video/cW-mx3xUHT0/w-d-xo.html
Maul was sidous true plan ..till anakin was found .....maul since a child was smuthered in the darkside ..and his true potential being mother Talzin son his knowledge of darkside Magiks and force is uncomparable
He raised him from childhood. He has seen most of his hard ships. The closest thing Palpatine had to a son.
While Anakin was the “chosen one” I feel Maul was an embodiment of the dark side.
He fully embraced his emotions to fuel his abilities and true to the “basic” tenants of the dark side of the force.
I’m talking about mentality and potential, not current power or skill.
maul matched clone wars level obi wan with his mid eclorian level "cut in half" :P
Maul was a beast and possibly matched some of the highest eclorian counts in the SWU pre naboo@@aceclover758
@@aceclover758from what I remember I think it was stated if he reached his full potential he’d be right up under sidious in power which is crazy honestly
69th like 😂 but yeah, this makes sense
@@claytonrichardson3201 yeah, I've heard that and I'd honestly believe it - he was going toe to toe with powerful Jedi and he was only trained as a Sith Assassin, not a Sith Lord.
I think he missed Maul for the same reason he was "attached" to Anakin, because he put so much effort in raising him, the two was his possessions and when the two failed in both their separate missions he was so pissed off.
Funnily enough to the same Jedi 😂
Anakin didn’t fail the mission that Sidious had given him.
@@trevturp6891he did. Anakin lost on Mustafar. And he Lost in replacing Sidious as the Master.
Obi Wan sliced and diced BOTH of his apprentices. And gave a hand in Dooku's demise as well. I just do not understand why Sheev didn't off Kenobi himself.
Obi Wan was a menace to ol Palp@th80
It's crazy how much of a thorn Obi-Wan was for Palpatine's apprentices ! Obi-Wan defeated Maul, forcing Palpatine to seek out a new apprentice in Dooku who wanted to turn Obi-Wan to the Dark Side, Obi-Wan defeated Anakin forcing Palpatine to rebuild him with cybernetics, & Obi-Wan would train Luke before dying becoming a Force Ghost gaining Luke to use the Force to destroy the Death Star & to Dagobah where he trained under Yoda! Then Obi-Wan confirmed Darth Vader was Luke's father & that Leia was his sister, leading Luke to try & redeem Anakin rather than kill him which resulted in Luke refusing to kill his father leading Anakin to return & kill Palpatine!
Dude this is all straight facts. Obi wan was more of a threat to sidious than qui gon and he was more focused on qui gon the whole time. It’s like the dark side didn’t even warm him at all about obi wan
It kind of makes me wonder if dooku was really telling the truth to obi wan in episode 2 when he was asking obi wan to help him kill palpatine.
If it wasn't for obi wan, the empire wins period
Obi-Wan was actually the chosen one. Change my mind
I named my dog obi-wan. And everything you guys said made him sound so epic.
Maul was the only apprentice Palpatine bonded with. He didn't love maul per say but he valued him and genuinely felt he was a loss. Dooku was a pawn maul was his true apprentice. That is until anakin came along
Canon wise yeah in Legends while Sids was pissed that Maul failed alive or not, arrested or not etc it was because Sidious planned to use Maul in the roles of Asajj, Grievous, And possibly Durge with Dooku being the actual apprentice to Sidious outranking Maul until The Skywalkers, The Solos Of Leias Fam, Or The Mereks came a long had none of those people been in the picture then Dooku would of been Sidious ultimate apprentice unless they could Clone Yoda or revive Malgus while Maul was meant to be there top dark acolyte possibly having Maul outrank Asajj, Grievous, And Durge as well as Quinlan and others Maul would be Dookus And Sidious top assassin compared to the others in Legends yeah.
@@matthewmann8969maul was always meant to surpass sidious. His mother talzin was feared across the galaxy. Sidious took in maul to keep mother talzin peaceful
@@AncientChiIn Canon Maul was meant to surpass Sidious as he had the potential to Legends Maul had a potential that was high but not sith or sith lord potential but top tier dark acolyte material even higher then Ventress unlike Plagueis, Dooku, And Sidious as well as The Mereks, Skywalkers, And The Solos within Leias boomers while Grievous And Durge had potentials as mid tier acolytes.
Canon Mauls potential was higher then Talzins own which is why Sids ditched Talzin for Maul that and Maul was much younger and mind was easier to mold then Talzins and Sidious planned on Maul surpassing him one day but changed his mind after Mauls failure on Naboo whether he knew Maul still survived or not THAT and he had a currently more powerful person as insurance if something like that happened in Dooku and then not long after found out about Anakin who has the highest potential ever monitored that and he was a piloting, mechanical, and robotic savant yeah.
Even in legends maul was intended to be sidious true apprentice as per the Plagueis novel.
@@keanonkerr9265 If that was the case then Sidious would of told Plagueis that those were his true intentions for Maul when he got Plagueis drunk, dizzy, ditzy, and drowsy but no instead he kept calling Maul by assassin a valuable one but a assassin none the less with his sights already on Dooku even before Mauls big failure alive or not instead Sidious said he as in Sidious in third person was the apprentice to Plagueis and Maul was there assassin not a true sith aside from in name until he found someone more powerful in potential and current power levels IE Dooku and later on The Skywalkers, Mereks, And The Solos Within Leias Line this is proven in Labyrinth Of Evil too when Sidious thoughts about looking for other replacements for Maul who Sidious noted was his first apprentice but in reality thought Maul was truly not sith but a assassin like Ventress And Grievous although a more powerful, skilled, higher potentialed one, etc and that he saw Jedi Master Dooku around TPM Era as a equal to himself from the other camp in terms of power=Jedi Arts, lightsaber skills=Mastrful Duelist, and politics and governance= A skilled diplomat and recognized in Jedi Master Dooku TPM Circa as a true ally unlike what he saw in Maul, Sifo Dyas, Qui Gon, Ventress, And Grievous that speaks higher of Dookus potential and current power levels and this was a Sidious who became more powerful after killing Plagueis thinking this so that speaks volumes plus he said he gained more powerful apprentices in Dooku who was more poweful then Maul even as a Jedi Master and Anakin who was more poweful then Tyrannus even as a Jedi Knight. Plus Plagueis thought of Dooku much like himself and Sidious as sith lord material for a combination of logics such as potential, current power levels, IQ, EQ, wealth, and more when Dooku was still a Jedi while he did not see that in Maul, Sifo Dyas, Nor Qui Gon that also speaks lots of quality. Plus one of the reasons Yoda chose Dooku to be his one on one apprentice was because of Dookus potential with the force being enigmatic even for himself to come to a conclusion meaning Dookus potential was near Yodas own that AND unlike Anakin Dooku was brought into the order at a more youthful ager yeah.
Sidious like that dad who tutored his son everyday to prepare for exams only for the kid to score a 7 outta 100 test score lmao
he did kill qui gon jin, obi wan was not just a padawan, he was pretty much a top tier knight in his own right at that point, as anakin describes him "he's powerfull as master Windu and wise as master Yoda"
@PricefieldPunk More like the kid who got every answer right, but forgot to put his name on the paper.
@@dilbertfishyeah that’s a good way to put it
@@istoppedcaring6209 Obi-Wan was officially a Padawan but ready to become a knight, he wasn't top tier by any account, he later became that way thanks to his experience, dedication and wisdom. Maul just lost because of being to cocky, not because of Obi matching his skills.
@@nicokrasnow1851 "officially" means little here, he allready must have surpassed many knights
Dooku: "Sidious, I like you and everything, but if this is going to be serious, I need to know that you're over him."
Palpy: "Tyrannous, my bro, you know I only have eyes for you. He means nothing to me anymore."
Dooku: "Okay... if you really mean it..."
Palpy: "Now we need to get you some new gear..."
Dooku: "Sure - wait... why?"
Palpy: "Let's go shopping..."
Dooku: "Sidious, I swear to god..."
Palpy: "At the Darth Maul!"
Dooku: "I knew it! I'm going home. Call me when you're ready to move on."
Palpy: "Oh god, I miss him so much!"
Underrated comment
Poor Dooku
Palpatine thought that Maul was in possession of #TDBank card💳; which is not possible for a Sith to get! 🌎💘💰
@@justwex-mapper Palpatine thought that Maul was in possession of #TDBank card💳; which is not possible for a Sith to get! 🌎💘💰
It was funnier since I read it in their accurate live action voices 😅
“I wonder if Maul is still on the market.”
Palpatine after hearing Anakin’s thesis on Darth Plagueis the Wise
He had an odd way of showing it on Mandalore 😂
But did he die ?
He didn't kill maul though.
He called him a rival, that's pretty much a compliment in Sith . He's saying you are powerful enough to be a threat to me, though since palpatine had now spent so much time grooming Anakin and his old apprentice was now weakened from losing a significant amount of his body (would be a shame for that to happen again) Sidious had abandoned the idea of taking on Maul as an apprentice.
@@bingbongbingbongbingbongbing90also maul was half as powerful in the force as he once was, he didn’t have nearly as much potential as he used to
@@bingbongbingbongbingbongbing90I wonder if obi killed anakin he’d go back to maul or take the grand inquisitor as his new apprentice.
"I am most impressed to see you have survived your injuries."
"I used your training, master, and I have built all this in hopes of returning to your side"
"Hmm, how unfortunate that you are attempting to deceive me"
"Master?"
"You have become a rival"
"Remember: the first & only reality of the sith. There can only be two. And YOU ARE NO LONGER MY APPRENTICE. YOU HAVE BEEN REPLACED"
"Have mercy please, please"
"There is no mercy. Do not worry, I'm not going to kill you. I have other uses for you"
kinda odd sidious was so upset about maul being defeated by a padawan when he actually fought both at once and defeated the master who was the prime target.
when he killed qui gon it was 1 on 1 while obi wan behind a a ray shield. he then fought obi wan 1 vs 1 and was done in by hubris.
@@jovanleonardi1574 I isee your point.
I agree he was done in by hubris, but also i think obi wan tapped into the darkside for the only time in his life and surprised maul.
Also, Obi wan could have been using battle meditation or helping in some other way. The force isnt stopped by a laser field.
Its also stated that ataru is extremely exhausting, so the fact that maul was fighting 2v1 before facing qui gon shows how talented and powerful maul was imo
@@zedbruh7212 i agree with the dark side bit and maul definitely was surprised but after being surprised he then took the upper hand than gloated, giving obi wan the chance to calm down and clear his mind. at this moment of their lives maul was definitely the better fighter of the 3.
@@zedbruh7212 i also feel it was this moment that helped obi wan down the road when maul kills satine in front of him.
Obi-Wan was Padawan only in name, he was 25 and Qui-Gon said Obi-Wan is ready to be Jedi Knight in Episode 1. Thats similar to Luke being Padawan in RotJ while defeating Vader. Both Vader and Maul underestimated Obi-Wan and Luke, Maul thought Obi-Wan was unarmed.
This makes me think about how Darth Bane would have never sought to turn Anakin or Dooku to the Dark Side (you'll see how this is related in a moment). In his opinion, those who had been exposed to Jedi teachings would always have a sliver of Light within them which could result in utter disaster. Vader's redemption confirmed this theory to be legitimate.
That being said, turning Dooku (one of the Order's greatest swordsmen) and Anakin ( the Chosen One) to the Dark Side were both opportunities too good to pass up, and both cases served as massive blows to the Jedi on both a physical and psychological level. Palpatine's mistake, in my opinion, was choosing to save Anakin after his defeat on Mustafar. By that point, Anakin had served his purpose by sacking the Jedi Temple and killing the Separatists. With him barely clinging to life on Mustafar, it was time to let him go, just like Dooku as the Clone War was coming to an end. So why didn't he?
I think what happened to Darth Maul greatly influenced Palpatine's decision to save Anakin. As stated in this video, Maul was a significant loss, and had Palpatine investigated his supposed death more closely and found him, Maul would have recovered much faster and continued to be a useful asset al while growing more powerful. Instead, he succumbed to madness until Savage Opress found him years later. Even though Maul's sanity was restored and he was given proper cybernetics, his progress was significantly halted and he had to work hard to catch up to where he once was.
Palpatine did not want to risk a repeat of history, so he went out of his way to save Vader instead of replacing him like with Maul and this would prove to be a fatal mistake.
After order 66 there were no more Jedis to turn and most of the force sensitives were killed or used as inquisitors. Anakin, even in his suit, had more potential than any other possible candidate and proved it over time. He was, after all, the Chosen One.
Even if Palpatine knew Maul was still alive by TPM Era it wouldn't matter since 1. Maul was still crippled up badly not just physically but also mentally and emotionally immediately after his defeat and the only way to fix him for the most part completely or mostly would be to make another deal with Talzin which Sidious knew she would never agree to have Maul go back into his services apprentice or otherwise. 2. While Dooku in terms of potential was below Maul his current power level even as a Jedi Master was above Mauls before his defeat and after plus he was insurance in case Maul either got crippled up badly, got imprisoned in a high profile leveling jedi force prison, decided to betray Sidious first, turned to the grey side or light side, resigned being a sith, or died any one of those things if they happened he had Dooku as insurance just in case if none of those things happened then he would still use Dooku but not as a apprentice but as a ultimate top tier acolyte. And Dooku became even more powerful as a dark sider. 3. Anakin was in the picture who has a potential in the force that nobody matches not even The Mortis Deities plus his piloting and mechanical skills also came in handy too yeah.
The novelization states that he did foresee Darth Maul dying. At the park where he says at last we realized myself to the Jedi last we would have revenge. It stated that Darth Sidious knew that Darth Maul was going to die
Which novel? In Episode 1 Novel Sidious says it was bad luck and chance.
Novel says: ''He had been more than the equal of the Jedi Knights he had faced and should have been able to defeat them easily. It was bad luck and chance that had led to his death, a combination that even the power of the dark side could not always overcome.''
Palpatine found Maul as a child, he literally raised him and was proud of his student. It was the closest thing he had to a son, and he figured Maul could take both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
He was upset because while Maul killed the main target who he specified to take out (Qui-Gon) but lost to a student who should not have the skill he did (Obi-Wan).
Palpatine also trained Maul himself and was very hands on since he really did put a lot of effort into making him so skilled. Maul also proved he was really good in battle and had it been any other master and student it’s very likely he would have killed both.
Maul lost because of Maul not because of who he was facing
It's also highly noteworthy that while Obi-Wan was technically a Padawan, he was extremely close to the rank of Jedi Knight regardless of his victory over Maul. Shortly before the dual in The Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan himself states that he is ready for the trials!
Yea but just because he thinks he is ready doesnt mean he actually is its like a student thinking they will pass an exam but there is always a chance he just thought wrong
That is one of the most chillingly awesome thumbnails I've seen in a while
One of Sidious's apprentices: (exists)
Obi-Wan: "I'm about to end this man's whole career."
He was not able to do that to Dooku though yeah.
crazy how dooku is older than palpatine
There are 2 twings you need to think about in that context:
1. Palpatine doesn't know what we do. He doesn't know that Maul was just lucky that Savage found him. For him, Maul likely faked his death in the very Moment where Papatine started a plan that would distract him for decades, giving Maul a great opportunity to build his own empire in the shadows. That impressed him. He thought that Maul tricked him. He already had problems believing Maul lost to a padawan, so it was logical to think that Maul just faked it. He was impressed how smart Maul was and we all know how important that was for Palpatine.
2. Maul was the only real Sith Palpatine ever trained. Doku was just a Jedi with force lightning, never worthy of being a sith and Vader had 20 years, still never plotting against Palpatine. He never showed any signs of interest in exploring the dark side. He was just a broken man who followed him because he had nobody else left. In Canon at least, Vader never had any plans for the Future.
Besides that, Maul was incredible strong. He neither had the experience of Doku, nor the force potential of Vader, still managed to fight in the same league. He could even hold his own for about a Minute against Palpatine. The incredible about that is that Maul wasn't that strong. He was just the only apprentice of Palpatine who was able to use his haitred to its full extends, giving him the biggest feat of all his apprentices: fighting toe to toe with Palpatine, even if only for a Moment.
The reason why Maul did so well against people outside his league power and skill wise was because of his physical abilities and unarmed combat mastery yeah.
Palpatine: "Dam the death of Darth Maul now I have to go shopping for lightsabers with General Grievous"!!
Darth Maul was the closest thing Palpatine had ri a child
Even as they turned against eachother Sidious was always proud of Maul. How he keeps surviving and keep amusing him with Maul’s schemes.
Proud that he still held true of being a Sith Lord at heart.
If Anakin wasn’t around, Sidious would been glad to have Maul as his right hand.
If Maul, wasn’t defeated at Naboo, then Sidious would have given him a chance for just that, to possibly fight against Dooku and Anakin, and If victorious let Maul be the enforcer of the future Empire
Exactly
i have a feeling sidious would keep both maul and Vader since the rule of two already served it's purpose.
Maul,was everything Sodious truly loved, and even actually trained him, but not Dooki or Vader. Mauls rise to power was Sidioud pride and joy, he even let him live after capturing him
Maul may have been a loss, but he did complete the minimum required for Palpatine's plan at the time, to eliminate Qui Gon.
Palpatine learned something important after Naboo. He was too hands on, too preoccupied with the small details micromanaging others like Nute Gunray. He needed a proxy, Dooku who could be the middle manager and serve as the sith decoy while Palpatine could focus on the bigger picture.
Maul and Sidious did a lot of work in the shadows, but Palpatine and Dooku did twice as much work in both the shadows and in the public. Using both their "public" and "private" identities
Thanks Star wars Dad
something about the final duel between obi wan and maul really hits my feels
It shows that Maul has learn the truth of why Obi-wan was on Tatooine.
@@kevin-2.1 it's more than that. I feel like in the end maul understands the futility of the war between the sith and Jedi. After fighting his whole life it's really tragic. I'm glad obi wan was able to understand him in the end
@@zedbruh7212 Yeah and gave in a proper funeral.
I figured it out thanks to you guys.
It's because maul became the antithesis to obi wan for the sake of his own survival.
For the dark side to sustain his life he needed obi wan to embody his hatred.
He was almost obligated to become everything ben fought against.
An interesting parallel to anakin
I think we all miss him... except for Qui-Gon
As Palpatine said to Yoda, your arrogance blinds you master Yoda, but arrogance was the sith's biggest weakness, and it’s ultimately how Palatine died to Vader and lost to the rebels. He was so arrogant and blinded by his rage to kill Luke that he couldn’t sense Vader's conflict because of his arrogance. Same with count Dooku taking Anakin lightly in their duel, arrogantly thinking he was too powerful and trained to well in lightsaber combat, then Anakin ended up using his rage and anger to kill him, and same with Maul toying with obi teasing him before it was too late and he couldn’t realize obi wan was using the force to grab the lightsaber. Ultimately getting arrogant and cocky thus being blinded by it. Last but not least the biggest one is anakins duel with obi wan. Loosing 60-70 percent of his force ability because of his pure arrogance and disregard for obi wan as a duelist. Thinking he could use the same move and his master, that his master did to darth maul, when obi wan said DON’T TRY IT, thinking he was invincible, which is yet another example of how much the sith were blinded by arrogance.
Really wish we got to see sidious take out plagius
Future flashback.....
the only reason he didn't feel that way about dooku was because dooku had died as intended
That and Dooku was defeated by Pirates which is even more embarrassing then Mauls defeat to a Padawan arrogance or otherwise plus Maul before his defeat had a potential higher then Talzins and debatably Sidious own after his handicaps even if alive was useless mostly then when The Dathomirian Magical Sources gave Maul his potential, body, mind, and soul back he was too tied to Talzin And Savage plus Dooku was still more powerful then Maul currently not in potential at that point yeah.
These are wonderful
Maul really was Sidious’s son.
I believe that if Maul hadn't been abandoned by Sidious, Maul would've been loyal to the end, and been probably been on par with power of Vader, not Anakin, but Vader, since he lost so much power from losing his limbs.
And Sidious could've counted on a loyal apprentice to the bitter end, one that would follow orders without hesitation, and almost perfect results, knowing his will was put first, not what Maul thought was necessary, or wrong and right.
That depends Maul before being fixed up by Talzin and the Dathomirian world magics lost his mind, body, soul, and potential so even if Sids knew Maul survived he also knew the only way to get Maul back his original self was to make a deal with Talzin which he knew she would not agree to due to Sids stealing her child right under her nose yeah.
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No no no, not after that, I meant if Sidious found Maul before all that, found out he had died, and looked for him in the force, or akin to that. Found Maul, and got him fixed up again.
If Sidious did it fast enough, I'm sure Maul would've kept his mind intact, he lived like that for years which eventually broke him. But if only spent maybe a month, or lets say half a year, remember Sidious has a lot of wealth to get the best help. And can probably reach out to Maul in the force and find his location, I bet Maul would reach out back if he sensed Sidious is looking for him.
Then bring him back covertly, and do like a Grievous moment with his lower body, similar to the legs Mommy gave him, but more Sith focused in utility and design
@@NightBane345Okay but given that Sidious had a low tolerance for failures like Mauls and the fact that Dooku who while was not as powerful as Maul in potential was more powerful with current power stayers even as a Jedi around TPM era Dooku was one of the few Jedi who currently outranked Maul in power along with Yoda And Mace at that point as insurance if something did not work out with Maul alive or not he probably would of let Maul rot there anyways THAT and Anakin was also on his radar who was said to be the Chosen One with even higher countings then The Mortis Watchers And The Wills plus Maul not only losing his body but constantly hitting his head repeatadly agsinst strong debry must of caused lots of brain damage that even the force could not fully take care of hence where Dathomrian Magics not just any magics was the only fixture yeah.
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Sidious would for sure punish Maul in a way similar to Vader I imagine, some small disadvantage in his new body parts.
Along with some proper torture with lightning and mental torture, I have no doubt about that.
But Sidious would most likely make Dooku part of his plans, while keeping Maul around, I imagine in a way close to Grievous, or for specific missions, making Maul turn almost into a "bogyman" of sorts for the Jedi. While keeping him out of the big league facing Yoda, Windu and especially Anakin. While being promised to get Obi-Wan when the time was right.
Maul knew he wasn't a proper Sith Lord, or even a Darth, and more of a brunt object, and even if he thought he could be that, if Sidious told him Anakin would be his true apprentice, the damage done to Maul's psyche would be so great, I doubt he'd really go against Sidious.
Maul was a loyal puppet, and served Sidious faithfully, because of the massive trials and torture Sidious did to make him stronger, but also into a puppet.
@@NightBane345 Not to be rude or disrespectful but you are getting Canon Maul And Legends Maul mixed up in Legends Maul even before his big humiliation was sith only in name when in reality he was only a toppest tier dark acolyte albeit a superior one in potential, current power levels, saber skill, and on compared to Asajj Ventress, Quinlan Vos, Sora Bulq, Grievous, Durge, and others his potential was not as high in Legends not compared to Plagueis, Maces, Dookus, Malgus, Yodas, Sidious/Galen Mereks, The Solos Under Leias Lines, Abeloth, Or The Skywalkers Mauls potential was a bit above Plo Koon And Yaddles though which still shows he was no joke but still not as high as the others I mentioned Plagueis seeing Sidious, Dooku, And Himself as sith to sith lord material speaks volumes of things while he only viewed Maul, Sifo Dyas, And Qui Gon fit for bring dark acolytes with Maul being the superior one of those three plus Sidious kept calling Maul there assassin even when he was revealing all the lies and half truths to Plagueis on his ending Maul being fit for just a top of the list assassin was actually true he never said how he was actually training Maul as a apprentice behind Plagueis back because Sidious already had his eyes on Dooku even before Mauls defeat and sensed higher potential in Dooku then he did in Maul and even Plagueis plus Yoda took Dooku as his one on one apprentice which Yoda rarely does unless he senses someone has near equal potential to him Yoda thinking in his mind how Dookus potential in the force was mysterious even for himself to put a finger on it plus was training Dooku as a potential successor he saw greater potential then he saw in every other Jedi including Mace with only Yoda And Anakin having higher markers then Dookers in the order the reason why Yoda did not take Ani one on one like he did Dooku was because Dooku came to the order at a younger aging had Anakin been brought to the order at the same age as Dooku which is like four or five rather then nine then Yoda would of took little Ani one on one too while Dookus potency was near Yoda level Anis was above Yoda level, Had Maul not got beaten on Naboo more specific Theed then he would serve in the roles of Ventress And Grievous most likely with Dooku outranking Maul in potential, current power levels, saber skill, IQ, EQ, Political acuman, And Government genius with Mauls only advantages over Dooku are physical abilities and unarmed combat yeah.
Canon on the other while Maul BEFORE HIS DEFEAT was definately meant to be a actual sith or sith lord and not just in title his potential noted as being higher then Talzins own and probably even Sidious. Had Maul not been cut into half, part, or a slice and become brain hindered then Maul would continue on as Sidious official apprentice until Anakin comes along with Dooku being there top form dark acolyte since Dookus count was not what it was in Legends but current wise he was more powerful then Maul by TPM Era but Maul would grow more powerful without the unabling then Dooku in a half decade or more and rival or surpass Sidious in powering too Sidious only replaced Maul with The Count because Maul even if inhaling and exhaling was too damaged up to be effective prior to The Dathomir hacks or hacking or hackings but even if Maul did not get replaced by Dooku he devinately would by Ani when the time came yeah.
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Evil or Benign
even some monsters can feel a loss over one of there own.not all but some.
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Maul may have been a tool but he was a hand made custom tool that palpatine took years if not decades to make, built and finally customized. Duku. A tool you a the store for simplify getting the job done. Anakin a tool the store will customize for you but you got to give them time to create it. Finally Maul tool that you made personally. Every inch for the ground was made by your hands personally
It's understandable Sidious felt like this. Maul was indeed loos and great shock. He raised Maul from infancy,taught him everything,was almost like father to him. He had plans too.Now that happened,things changed. He had to move quickly.To think even faster. Than Dooku appeared.Plans could begin again.Though Dooku was just a pawn.May the Force be with you too😊
With or within or in or inside of Legends Dooku was already eyed on as a potential apprentice even before Maul was bested in Naboo alive or not Plagueis had his sights on Dooku, Maul, Sifo Dyas, And Qui Gon yet out of those four he saw Dooku as sith lord material just like himself and Palps and I am sure Sids shared those thoughts they both sensed greater potent in Dookers then Mauly and greater potential in Maul then Sifo, Qui Gon, Asajj, And Grievous in that order. Had Maul won the fight on Naboo completely then he would be in the position of Asajj And Grievous or he would still have them work under him with Dooku being Sidious second in command until either The Skywalkers, The Mereks, And Or The Solos With Leias Blood Vessels came along in his sights yeah.
I miss Maul too.
You know what they; “you never forget your first”
Right , cuz of how the “clone wars series showed how much his missed him” not ! lol
Palpatine thought that Maul was in possession of #TDBank card💳; which is not possible for a Sith to get! 🌎💘💰
Palpatine was like "I miss my mualie boo"
Another Great Vid!
yeah, that makes sense 😆
Sith: we are dange...
Jedi: we kill you with Padawan, get out of here
He would have eventually betrayed Maul. Had Maul figured that out on Naboo and left to go to Dathomir. What kind of story would we have been given.
While losing to Obiwan was an epic failure, it should not be overlooked that Maul took on Master Qui-gan and Obiwan at the same time, AND defeated Qui-gan (Qui-gan was among the elite Jedi at his time).
In Sidious's mind, Maul was his best asset. In my point of View, Maul was nothing more than a pawn casted aside by his former master.
In Legends Maul was meant to serve in the roles of Asajj, Grievous, And maybe Durge had he not failed but he would not be the apprentice Dooku would be after all in Legends he had more potential in the force then Maul as well as was currently more powerful even as a Jedi heck Yoda said how Dookus potential in the force is enigmatic even for himself to comprehend meaning Dookus potential within Legends was not too much below Yodas maybe only by one hundred points with Maces potential being slightly below Dookus which is one of the main reasons Yoda choose Dooku to be his one on one student which Yoda rarely did unless someone had a super high potential even if not as high as himself and Plagueis seeing Dooku as sith lord material while he only saw Maul as a top sith acolyte slash assassin and Sidious thought of Maul the same way even before the failure yeah.
Wrong, maul was made to surpass all
@@AncientChi No even in Canon Mauls potential was not the highest compared to The Skywalkers And The Solos Within Leias Bloodline nor The Mortis Deities of Abeloth it would either be near Sidious level, at Sidious level, or a bit higher then Sidious level yeah.
Were do you get them fire thumbnails lol 🤘
Obi Wan: the only Jedi to kill Maul, twice.
First Maul, and then Anakin? Obi-wan really out here ruining Sidious' plans again and again.
Obi-wan "The Wrench-thrower" Kenobi.
If sidious wanted anakin as his apprentice cuse of his high miniclorian count why not just take his dna blood before he was burned and ether put it inside himself or in mauls dna or create another young clone of anakin/vader without being burned
It's clear he had some attachment to Maul above what he could of done for the Sith, it can't be stressed Maul ended up losing to Padawans time and time again ignoring who those characters were for a moment it was clear his arrogance was a fatal undeniable flaw of his, Sidious knew this but he chose to spare Maul perhaps the single most dangerous person to Palpatine's plans in the time of the Clone Wars and he refused to kill this person I'd go as far as to say Palpatine maybe even cared about Maul. Despite you know programming the clones to off him in order 66.
One quality that i think Maul had over Dooku and even Anakin was the fact that he was born on Dathomir and had an almost symbiotic relationship with the Dark Side of the force. He didn't try to subjugate the dark side like other sith did. It was part of who he was, so his potential was a lot higher in that aspect.
By Sith standards Maul was loyal to Palpatine.
As the greatness of Obi Wan became evident, most likely the estimation of Maul would rise.
I really believe that Maul was like the poster boy of the Sith. Just one look at him and pretty much everything about him screams Sith.
Missed opportunity. Why bother concealing Sidious? Had they worked the movie around Sidious Rise and Analkin awakening to the force, the ending could've been him murdering Plagueis and Maul losing the connection to the dark side by a mere moment, enough for Obi Wan to dissect him.
That's 100% a better plot. Qui Gonn should still be mentioned though
The Real Sith'ari 🙌🔥
Stupidest move ever making this guy a one & done in the prequel trilogy. Maul could’ve carried the prequels and finally fought Anakin for the right to stand next to Sidious.
Yeap
I don’t understand how he could’ve missed him so much considering maul literally lived and then palpatine disowned him and could care less about him after learning he didn’t die on Naboo
His favorite toy was broken
Maul had the potential to surpass palpatine. I wish we got that maul
No way. Maul was a blunt instrument. An assassin. He didn't have the cunning or political skill to become Emperor. And, he was overly arrogant. He over estimated his skills and abilities.
Palpatine spent 20+ years in setting himself up to take control of the Senate and cloud the Jedi. I doubt Maul could have even come close.
@@SpeedyStonevery funny, he became the crime lord of the galaxy being a blunt mindless instrument is it ?
@@venkateshg3171 The crime lord of the galaxy? Are you kidding? He wasn't as big as Jabba's ring... much less the Hutt cartel. He couldn't hope to challenge Black Sun. Or Zann. Or even the Pike Syndicate.
What he did do....stupidly... was try to challenge Palpatine. And failed.
I’m curious, does anybody know where all of this information comes from?
I don’t think Sidious missed Maul more than the fans did
Come on Padawans subscribe and become Knights
Maul was warned multiple times to not be overconfident and just finish the duel. That's why Maul should have never been taught form 7. It leaves you wide open. Form 6 is fine. Along with form 5, 4,3,2.1/
Palpatine did not seem to know what an ancient Earth general did: _No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy._
It was his arrogance that made him put all his bets on Maul. Just as the Jedi Council refused to believe the Sith could have returned, Sidious refused to believe Maul could lose. Arrogance all around.
Palpatine thought that Maul was in possession of #TDBank card💳; which is not possible for a Sith to get! 🌎💘💰
The time Sidious found out Maul survived and confronted him and Savage Oppress didn't have any influence?
Strange how the sith have the rule of two and the Jedi have a Padawan that they train not really all that different other than one's good and the other is evil
Qi gong gets stabbed - dead within 3minutes.
Maul gets literally TORN IN HALF and falls hundreds of meters - easy survive. 🤣🤣🤣
The darkside is a pathway to many abilities some would consider unnatural
Darth Maul was secretly his lover
Everyone can get melancholic. I did to when I stopped dating Jessica
Maul was brute hate, and nothing else. He had the power of hatred, and yet plenty of emptiness to fill with more Sith training. He would have made for a true lord of the Sith.
First off……Palpatine would have shared this with no one.
Uhhhh, he didnt. Even Maul went into hiding when the Empire took over lol if Palpatine missed him its cuz he never finished him off personally.
Day 407 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
This isn’t entirely true. Palpatine already knew Maul was dead when he got to Naboo. We saw that in TotJ.
Gently crush it or like me you will be not just renewing a padawan it will be a phone also...
Can you and the Archivist make a long discussion of "Did Mace Windu really defeated Sidious or Palpatine just let it go on just for Anakin's attention?"
I AM THE LONGING
Did dooky ever let palp smear finger his dooker?
in the alternate timeline of Maul not sustaining such great injuries, he would have honestly been a better antagonist than Dooku ever was. while yse Dooku being the fallen master of QUigan with interesting politics, that got a better written ret con recently with Tales Of The Jedi. still, Maul feels like an objectively better foil for both Anakin and Obiwan: for Anakin, he was also raised as a slave, only treated worse by those around him including his mother, and could easily have been more compelling politically to those systems. not by being silver tongued and having the former Jedi reputation but by being a true symbol, an icon of a victim that rose from the ashes to serve as one of the people the republic failed to protect when to them Anakin was just lucky, for Obiwan he's not just that old man who trained his master and betrayed the order not too long after his former student died but instead Maul is the one who killed his master and has a real chance to use mutual suffering to turn the chosen one. this version of both of them would have more personal stakes; Maul wanting to kill Obiwan for the embarrassment of not killing him with his master, and Anakin for being someone like him in many ways but being the lucky little bastard that not only had a loving mother, a more normal childhood despite being a slave, and being the one Sidious truly wanted.
Christopher Lee is a bad ass but Dooku is somewhat a disservice, great in a vacuum but not as good as the Maul to Vader story could have been.
I respectfully disagree. If anything Maul was ok until TCW came in and ruined it all.
I knew maul wasnt just my favorite sith it was also sidious’ lmao
But palpatine had two apprentices, Count Dooku and Maul. Count Dooku had more to offer than Maul.
Legends Dooku did in potential, current power levels, IQ, EQ, Political Acumen, Governmental Mindset, As well as lightsaber dueling while Maul only had physical abilities and unarmed combat mastery.
In Canon it is more the other side of the coiner yeah.
Hey love ur videos for the record but I’m finding it interesting that the Sith are so evil. Yet Jedi are trained in place I see as similar to a military school. And are told to lose all attachment which in human physiology is a sociopath so I guess I’d love to see a video on how most Jedi are human and are trained to defy human nature and how it’s led to fall of the many powerful Jedi. Maybe there’s no good or bad that yellow sable says balance…..
Proton torpedo? This ain't Star Trek bro😂
So did Palpatine want Maul to lead the seperatists then? You make it sound like he had to scramble to find a new apprentice, so does that mean that Dooku wasn't in his sights at the time?
In Legends Dooku definitely was on his mind before Mauls error even because he had the higher potential in the force according to Plagueis And Sidious, as well as current power level, plus he had a higher IQ, EQ, Political Knowledge, Governmental Thought Proccessing, And Business Sense as well as being the ultimate fencer Saber duelist while Maul only had superior unarmed combat and physical abilities yeah.
@@matthewmann8969No where it is written Dooku had more potential than maul
@@venkateshg3171 No but it was heavily implied that he did in many Legends sources like Yoda Dark Rendezvous, The Darth Plagueis Novel, Labyrinth Of Evil, Jedi Path, Jedi Vs Sith, The Maul Vs Dooku verses section from the Star Wars Insider 109 Magazine, Attack Of The Clones Novel, Revenge Of The Sith Novel, And many other Legends quotes only a smaller number suggest Maul had a equal or higher force potential to the count most suggest Dooku had a much higher one being either near equal or actual equal to Yodas own yeah.
Maul was a true sith
Some how the high ground didn't work for Maul. A terrible death IMO...he watched OWK force jump, pull a light saber and was just not ready.....should have had something better. Maul was a far better with a lightsaber and acrobatics but that is how it was written.
We all did.
He trained Maul to be a sith, dooku was stronger yes but dooku needs an established algorithm to follow. Maul can take nothing and be something...SITH
But he still tortured Maul in the clone wars
I wanna go to dathomir =p
You don't disclose where you are obtaining the information (sources) for your videos. A lot of this is only theories not Canon.
Palpatine should have held Obi in higher regard after he bested Maul.
He loves over emotional raging animals as apprentices he can berate for being such dooku was far smarter and much more and he disregarded him
Obi Wan mops everyone. Change my mind?🤧
In Legends he was pissed that Maul failed not because he saw Maul as actual sith material or successor material but because had Maul not made that huge error on Naboo there would be no need for Asajj, Grievous, And Durge but Dooku would still be in the apprentice position second in command to Sidious not long after TPM even if they still brought Asajj, Grievous, And Durge into there fold Maul would still outrank all of them in potential, skill, experience, and current power levels. While Dooku woulf be second to Sidious in those aspects particularly with potential and current power levels until The Skywalkers, The Solos Under Leias Liners, Or The Mereks came along yeah.
Now in Canon Maul was meant to be a plausible or probable or possible successor his potential in Canon was higher then Talzins own before his crippled state on Naboo and either near Sidious level, at Sidious spot, or higher then Sidious in potential. So Maul in Canon was seen by Sidious to be a loss because had he not failed his mission to the point were only Dathomirian Magics could heal his body, mind, soul, and potential then Sidious would of had Maul in mind as his ultimate apprentice as long as The Skywalkers Nor Solos within Leias Line were not on his radar while Dookus potential in Canon is high it is not what it was in Legends yeah.
If you're reading this, I'm assuming you're a fan... Can we all agree that the rule of two(interesting) is stupid?? Why would anyone take the time to train someone who, to move up, has to eventually kill you? Pass😂
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Maul was sidous true plan ..till anakin was found .....maul since a child was smuthered in the darkside ..and his true potential being mother Talzin son his knowledge of darkside Magiks and force is uncomparable