Finn thinks fans saying Bleach is Nirvana's best work is too much of a contrarian, Hipster opinion, then saying One More Light is Linkin's Park's best work is pretty funny
Appetite for Destruction always felt like a gift from heaven to humanity. Like something that fell from the sky. I don’t even understand how 5 random drunk dudes did that. Doesn’t seem real. Probably the greatest example ever of accidental brilliance
They been grinding for years and it showed. Large chunk of Use your illusion was also written during that time - and the quality really shows in contrast with the latter stuff that goes into more bombast direction
There is no single good song on its own on this album though. Ranging from (mostly) unlistenable to (sometimes) meh. I wonder which exactly moments are great in Finn’a perspective
@@em0tionalpavu1on My brother in Christ, Appetite for Destruction is one of those rare albums that is entirely skipless. Even the deep cuts such as Anything Goes and You're Crazy hit hard, and Rocket Queen (to me) is the greatest album closer of all time 🤓
I remember in school, 16 years old saying I don't like GNR. Thought I'd give them one more go, put Appetite on at the start of the summer holidays and didn't really put it off till the end.
I know dude hates Metallica. Fair enough. Even if you don't like Metallica and/or Kill Em All you have to acknowledge it's influence on thrash metal. Along with Slayer - Show No Mercy those albums were revolutionary in the metal scene.
I consider Kill Em’ All not just one the best thrash albums, but one of the best albums in any genre not just in metal. It’s perfectly raw, has that nice teen angst in it yet competent musicians.. I don’t get how can one praise Show No Mercy while not being into Kill Em’ All Also 3 Dollar Bill Ya’ll is fucking awesome too.
Spot on. Add Nuns Have No Fun, Melissa & Black Metal to that group & that was life back in the day. I was always a Glam/Punk/Goth kid but when those records came out I was all about them. I'll still throw them on once a week or so.
Because that is originally an elitist/gatekeeper statement. Like "I've known this band before they became famous! Their first album is the best, y'all have no idea what you're talking about!" And I dont consider him being an elitist/gatekeeper. IMO the second/third album is the best one for a lot of bands. That's when they found their sound, know what works and what doesnt, and in case they got signed properly, a good producer might bring out the best of a band. Afterwards, a lot of bands become too polished/commercial or start to repeat themselves.
@burningtheevidence8038 proper take. Bands typically have a similar trajectory. Debut lays the ground work. 2nd album sets the direction the band will take. Third is usually where the sound of the band, musicianship, songwriting, and production really come together. It's rare that a band's 4th+ album is a band at their peak.
Absolutely, for me everything that LB did after was a letdown. Not sure how a guy who's into actual punk, rap, and HC could think so little of that album.
It's the only LB album that was really raw and unhinged, kind of in a similar spirit to Korn and early Slipknot, still had some of it on Significant Other but started getting bit less interesting. I never get people praising Break Stuff, it was one of the first bad signs of the direction they were going for.
Love the Deft Ones. But Adrenaline is kind of terrible. Has a few songs I still go back to regularly. But there are some cringe moments that didn't age well. That to me is the issue with a lot of Nu Metal, I may have loved it at the time, but much of it didn't age well.
As a biased The Strokes enjoyer, Is This It is an easy S tier. Influenced a ton of bands after its release as well. Massive impact on the next generation of “rock” artists
Pearl Jam's Ten is S tier. I know you're not into it Finn, but it's probably the second most iconic and successful rock album of the early 90s. That said, I like Vs and Vitalogy more
I love that album but it's not good, it's got some redeeming elements to it(Rev doing drums in one take was cool) but a lot of the lyrics really aren't up to snuff with what Avenged Sevenfold put out later, even as soon as WTF. The vocals are bad, the mixing absolutely sucks. Production is non-existent. It doesn't really feel like it knows what it's trying to do a lot of the time, and while yes it has soul, just didn't really have what makes A7X A7X yet. I really enjoy it but I feel like there's something that needs to be reevaluated if you don't think that it's at best a C tier album.
Weird. I am not a Metallica fan (neither a hater, just whatever) and I really like Kill em All. I love the rawness they put on that. What I do am is a Nirvana fan and Bleach is their worst studio album... Which isn't a bad thing to say because everything else they recorded is simply great. Bleach is, IMO, a very good debut and you can already see signs of a huge band in there. But... Better than Nevermind? No fucking way
To me Nevermind sounded too radio rock, and Utero sounded like it was more concerned with making a point than actually being good. Bleach just comes off as raw and natural, and factoring in the budget/ time/ equipment limitations that album is a masterpiece IMO. I can understand liking Nevermind more, but Utero, really? It honestly sounds like at least 1/3 of the vocals on that album use roughly the same melody line.
Bleach has some great songs, but Grohl is the difference between okay Bleach Nirvana and amazing Nevermind Nirvana. I still think Bleach is better than most of In Utero, that album just seemed like such a let down.
It's pretty funny listening to Finn say "this is bad, it sounds like a local band" when all of these bands were literally local bands since it's their first album
There's actually a LOT of people who actually prefer that early Thrash era when it was evolving out of Speed Metal. 1986 was the gamechanger year for Thrash when those bands when Metallica and Slayer released the "genre-defining" albums Master & Reign but over time I've grown a HUGE appreciation for the early pre-1986 albums that have that sweet spot between Traditional Heavy Metal and fully formed Thrash Metal. There's a unique charm to the style of those early albums that was lost when Thrash fully evolved. Don't get me wrong - LOVE full-blown Thrash - Justice is actually my favourite Thrash record - but I can TOTALLY see why people would rate the debuts as their favourites.
Whilst they weren’t precisely the first, the Strokes did it right. It sounds authentic because they recorded it in a room together like a “real” band. They purposely made it sound like shit, but the musicianship holds up and everyone wanted to be them or fuck them. Everyone else aped them and then the scene ate itself.
Besides The Strokes, The Arctic Monkeys, The Black Keys, and The White Stripes were the only other bands who did that whole "retro garage revival rock" trend right in my opinion, then like you said the scene quickly ate itself with copycats, some of whom still managed to squeak out some solid songs. But the trend still proved to be influential, despite being short-lived. The Killers and Cage The Elephant were basically its spiritual successors, they sold pretty well and had huge hits. And The Black Keys and The Arctic Monkeys hit their career peaks YEARS after the trend was out of fashion.
The production may be pretty "meh" for Kill em All, but there are some bangers on the album. "Seek and Destroy" , "Whiplash", "Four Horsemen" and "Phantom Lord" are all up there. I always think of "Kill em All" as the most fun Metallica album.
I've just done 3 weeks of listening to bands first albums from my collection. I had forgotten how good some of them were. Kill em all is still one of my favourites despite better albums later down the line. Bleach I thought was great. Really nice to get that more rough and ready nirvana sound. Pablo honey by radio head was a stand out for me. I was shamed i had left it so long between listens. And shout out to frogstomp by sliverchair. So damn young and it sounded so good. The definition of having a 10 years experience requirement for your first job.
Such an incredible album. It wasn’t until I got older and started playing guitar where I could truly appreciate how difficult playing some of those songs are. They had a band called ‘John Killed Jeff’ or something along those lines before BFMV which is more nu metal
Oasis "Definitely Maybe" is an outstanding album, however their second was amazing also NIN first was great but second was somehow better. The Cars and Boston never could do better than their first albums
Nirvana is tough because all 3 albums sound quite different. I can see people that like metal or Melvins type sludge grunge liking Bleach best. Nevermind is way more pop and straightforward and hooky. In Utero is rawer depressioncore. Obviously Nevermind is the most influential, though.
Timestamps for each album: 1:49 Cheshire Cat- Blink 182 3:25 Kill Em All- Metallica 4:55 Hybrid Theory- Linkin Park 6:09 Nirvana- Bleach 7:12 Sounding The Seventh Trumpet- Avenged Sevenfold 8:55 Show No Mercy- Slayer 9:59 A Fever You Can't Sweat Out- Panic! At The Disco 10:54 Appetite For Destruction- Guns N Roses 12:18 Three Dollar Bill Y'All- Limp Bizkit 13:19 Is This It- The Strokes 14:34 Contradictions Collapse- Meshuggah
One half of the album was recorded with Dale cover (of the Melvins) & the other half was recorded with their new drummer at the time Chad channing a couple months after. They had two / three lineup changes by the time they even got the album out.
@simondavies109 bleach is great. If you're still in high school. I think Nevermind & in utero have more to offer in lyrics, songwriting, riffs, & the entire package as a whole. I think bleach could've been so much more in my eyes had the band released it a year earlier.
@@itjustgetsworseproductionsYeah I don't always think music is 'subjective' but definately with Nirvana mate. In Utero my personal favourite. I also think Incesticide is massively underrated.
Twisted Sister's Under the Blade, Aereogramme's Story in White, Dredg's Leitmotif, Korn's Korn, Roxette's and David Hasselhoff's debuts, Rage Against the Machine's Rage Against the Machine, Kyuss'ss'ss'sss Blues for the Red Sun... all S tier.
S TIER: (Best or near best work by artist) Gwar - Scumdogs of the universe Korn - Self titled Propaghandi - How to clean everything Unbreakable Hatred - Total Chaos Crass - The Feeding of the 5000 Minor Threat - Minor Threat Berurier Noir - Macadam Massacre Half moon run - Dark eyes Motorhead - Self titled Hein Cooper - The art of Escape Cynic - Focus Fall of Effrafa - Owsla Les Ramoneurs de Menhirs- Dañs an diaoul The Maggoty Brats- Danse Macabre Rob - zombie - Hellbilly Deluxe Sum 41 - All killer no filler Nile - Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren-Ka Misery Index - Retaliate Zeal and Ardor- Devil is fine Kitty - Spit Tenacious D - Self titled Beastie Boy - Licenced to Ill Ramones - Self titled Suffocation - Effigy of the forgotten Rage against the machine- Self titled A tier: (Solid work but not their best album) The accused - The return of Martha Splaterhead S.O.D - Speak english or die D.R.I - Dirty Rotten Cryptopsy- Blasphemy made flesh D.B.C - Dead Brain Cells Groovy Aardvark- Eaters digest Rammstein - Herzeleid Marylin Manson - Portrait of an American Familly Foo Figther - Self Titled Darkthrone - Soulside Journey Iron Maiden - Self titled Misfits - Walk among us Metric - Live it out Dropkick Murphys - Do or Die Tool - undertow Oathbreaker - Maelström The Cranberries- Everybody is doing it so ehy can't we Bad Religion - How could else be any worst Pennywise - Self titled Immortal- Full moon mysticism White Ward - Origins Twenty one pilot - Self titled Sacred Reich - Ignorance Bloodhound gang - Use your fingers (Hed) P.E - Self titled F tier : (Shit or far from their best work) Slipknot - Mate Feed kill repeat Pantera - Metal Magic Nofx - Liberal Animation (I think it's good but far from their best/known work) Refused - This just might be the truth (again good but far from their succesfull albums) Silverchair - Frogstomp Red Hot Chili Peppers - Self titled (not bad att all but so far from their greatest work) Papa Roach - Old friend from young years Voivod - War and pain (good but even the remastered version is still super rough sounding) The Offsprings - Self titled (good but so far yet from the perfect album that is Smash) Eskimo Callboy - Bury me in vegas (Generic MySpace mish-mash) Ministry - White Sympathy (Not bad but far from what their known for) Kid Rock - Grits Sandwiches for breakfast (Not that he ever made great albums, he was for a moment popular on MTV. But this one surely wasn't going to make him the well known figure he is today)
Some inclusions for the next iteration of this segment- Pantera. As I Lay Dying. Slipknot. Good Charlotte. Killswitch Engage. Stone Temple Pilots. Rage Against the Machine. Also, would be cool to do a similar tier list with sophomore albums with the same bands.
Bruh Limp Bizkit first album is the heaviest and yeah it wasn't a commercial success other than the song faith but its a damn good heavy album and Kill em all had Dave on guitar leads and I love kirk but dave on leads were amazing, Damn putting Linkin Park above all is comedy
Marilyn Manson’s first album is dripping with punk saliva… I’m really shocked it doesn’t get more attention from the punk scene. It’s such a strange, cool, corky nightmare record with some very original guitar work and fun songs.
I actually enjoy Avenged Sevenfold’s first album. My favorite song on the album is STREETS, simply because how fast the Rev shreds on those drums. 😱🥁 I don’t think it’s terrible, but it’s definitely enjoyable for what it was, but I’m very aware that it’s not their best work whatsoever and no songs were iconic from that album at all.
Bleach is the album you listen to when you want to hear Nirvana sound live. Not saying the other albums are corny are anything, but Bleach has pure unmatched nature like the live shows.
Scott is a highly underrated drummer. He had some genuinely great parts on Dude Ranch. I personally find many of Travis's parts to be very weird, like Adam's Song
Contradictions Collapse has one the sickest coolest bass tone of all time. The way it’s so throaty and metallic sounding it perfect I don’t think any other bass tone comes close.
11:23 This was either the last album, or one of the last to be recorded to analog tape. Thank Izzy for the guitar interplay. Everybody gives Slash the props, but Izzy could bang out songs.
Hell yeah ! I agree with you on Appetite for Destruction . I loved that raw gritty sleazy sound and how well you could hear the bass work by Duff . Not a bad song on it . Some songs im worn out on a bit but it still don't change the fact they were all killer ! I wish they would have stuck with that vibe . LIES EP was cool too .
Agreed. System of a Down and Slipknot and Korn: excellent debut albums Bring Me the Horizon: terrible debut album. Bad Omens' debut album also is their worst so far by far
This was the most spot on tier List on all points well done. I just wish Sublime got some love with "'Jah Won't Pay The Bills" is one of the best debut albums for any band ever released. Includes Finn's' favorite Sublime song ever Badfish.
IMHO, The Killers and The Cars have absolutely amazing debut albums both in terms of immediate impact and longevity. Both were absolute pop/rock MONSTERS with several (at least 5) hits and transcended genres. Brilliant albums.
I would like to hear a take on the idea of first and sophmore album should be 1-2 perfect combo in order to secure artists name as legendary. Same with movies. As an example people often put Tarantino with Dogs & Pulp Fiction. What are the best 1-2 punch albums. And the same with first 3 songs run on the record.
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Aereogramme, Dredg, Tool, Twisted Sister, Radiohead, Nirvana, System of a Down, David Hasselhoff, Rage Against the Machine, Marilyn Manson, The 3rd & the Mortal, Queens of the Stone Age, Dimmu Borgir, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Mogwai, Kinderzimmer Productions, Theatre of Tragedy, Boston, Rammstein... I really don't know how exactly to stop this list.
I'm A7X's fan but STST is the only album I'm not able to listen to, haha 😅 Their progress as musicians and songwriters is very noticeable. Just four years after STST they wrote City of Evil, a masterpiece. Also, look at their last album, such a brilliant piece of art compared to the debut and a real prog album.
Rage against the machine has my all time favorite debut album.Masterpiece!! Facelift is awesome too.My older brothers always say the first Van Halen album is great.My wife loves the Blind Melon debut
To the point of the debut being either the best or worst album, I think for artists debuting on major labels, it tends to be considered the best, while for artists who started independently, it tends to be considered the worst, because it's impossible to record and produce an album that sounds like one that was created with a major label budget. I think it's fairly common where the debut album has the best, or at least the most popular singles, but isn't the artist's best full-lenth experience. It's not hard to understand why. For artists on major labels, the label generally wants them to write songs that are very accessible and mainstream-friendly. It's a way of getting the largest possible fan base right out of the gate. The artists themselves also likely don't have a lot of experience writing, which is something people get better at over time. This tends to result in albums that are front-loaded, where the singles just far outshine the album tracks. Audioslave - Self Titled, The Killers - Hot Fuss, and I know it's pop but Avril Lavigne - Let Go are all examples. All 3 are debut albums, and had the most popular singles for their respective artists. However, the other tracks largely get ignored, and the same artists have at least one other album that's considered a more consistent full length listen. There are probably other albums with the same issue, but these 3 come to mind first.
Some of the bands with terrible first albums I think depends on the difficulty of the music, like before greatness, there were things they had to work out, and live it before they elevated. Some styles are harder to pull off than others, or some are more natural. With hindsight we can look at an old album and see where it went and then determine if that is good. For metal the hump could be locking in the chugs, or rock getting the bad ideas out before evolving them into good variations cohesive with the sound. Some writing needs to be bad, before it can be good IMO. Good selection. Fun to see where they started and how all of these artists elevated their game
From my understanding all the material on Kill 'em All is technically a few years older than when it debut in 1983, so yes it is closer to speed metal and why Ride the Lightning sounds more departed and "advanced" despite coming out a year after Kill 'em All
Hey Finn dude man. I don't know if you are aware of this, but the appetite for destruction we got at the record store was not the original recording of the album. There was actually a different recording of it that was released a couple year's before that one and it is almost entirely different than that one. It's the same song's but the words in most of them are different and "in my opinion" it's a little more aggressive and MIGHT be better than the one the label released💁♂️
@stewartdowouis9218 I know what you are referring to but that's not it. There is an appetite for destruction album they released locally that only had like a few hundred copies made. There's a woman here on TH-cam that has it and it's complete with cover art and everything. I mean perhaps it is that Hollywood rose demo album and they just recorded it again with Slash in it. But I do know it's GNR appetite for destruction with the entire band in it👌
@@LimpyKjr117No. That was the same record. He has to be referring to the stuff Axl and Izzy did before they met slash and Steven. Look up Hollywood Rose
Hybrid theory is really the only linkin park album I ever got into. Respect their work, but this album is the only one I rock and my teenage daughters love it too.
I was listening to that first Panic album on first day of my college graphic design class, but I didn't realize my headphones weren't plugged in so everyone heard it. It was so damn embarrassing when I realized my headphones weren't plugged in.
The drumming on Cheshire Cat was not terrible, considering that Scott was only like 15-16 years when they recorded that album. Obviously Travis is the over all better drummer of the 2 but Scott doesn’t deserve the hate he gets.
Sounding the Seventh Trumpet is not a bad album. The production is bad and the songs needed cleaned up, but if they had been in a real studio with an experienced producer, I don't think anyone would hate it the way they do. As far as early 2000s metalcore goes, it was really solid. The production and sound quality just ruins it
Next video should be Uncle Finn choosing one album to listen to for a week from all the albums that he wouldn't choose to listen to. Kinda like best of the worst.
I watched a clip of Frankie from Emmure recently getting pumped up to Counterfeit, putting it on some Playlist.... would have loved the alternative universe viewpoint of Finn being in the same room, killing the vibe of one of his favorite bands , complaining about this "millennial trash" playing 😂😂 Counterfeit still slaps , will die on that hill 🤘👽🤘
The guy from Lagwagon said it best, "At the start the band is more focused on rehearsal, not recording techniques, so they end up sounding more like they do live, and that's why many people prefer the bands first albums".
Finn thinks fans saying Bleach is Nirvana's best work is too much of a contrarian, Hipster opinion, then saying One More Light is Linkin's Park's best work is pretty funny
My contrarian take is right, your contrarian take is contrarian
My favorite album of all time is their Unplugged session. Something about that album takes me right back to that time in life
@@JoinMeInDeathBaby Contrary to contrarian belief, I take the contrary position.
Bleach is really good noise rock album. However, they went on to better things afterwards
He has some serious double standards
Shoutout to the one dude in chat who asked for Milo Goes to College every 5 seconds throughout the video
lmaooo
Sour Grapes
lmfao
@@superunknown2812one of my fav Descendents song tbh
@@wahtdookie yeah it's a great tune
Appetite for Destruction always felt like a gift from heaven to humanity. Like something that fell from the sky. I don’t even understand how 5 random drunk dudes did that. Doesn’t seem real. Probably the greatest example ever of accidental brilliance
They been grinding for years and it showed. Large chunk of Use your illusion was also written during that time - and the quality really shows in contrast with the latter stuff that goes into more bombast direction
There is no single good song on its own on this album though. Ranging from (mostly) unlistenable to (sometimes) meh. I wonder which exactly moments are great in Finn’a perspective
@@em0tionalpavu1onIs this a real life question? Literally half of the album was top 40 hits.
@@em0tionalpavu1on My brother in Christ, Appetite for Destruction is one of those rare albums that is entirely skipless. Even the deep cuts such as Anything Goes and You're Crazy hit hard, and Rocket Queen (to me) is the greatest album closer of all time 🤓
I remember in school, 16 years old saying I don't like GNR. Thought I'd give them one more go, put Appetite on at the start of the summer holidays and didn't really put it off till the end.
finn always says the c tier is the real S tier so kill em all is his fav album of all time
Got me
Ha! Got him!
I know dude hates Metallica. Fair enough. Even if you don't like Metallica and/or Kill Em All you have to acknowledge it's influence on thrash metal. Along with Slayer - Show No Mercy those albums were revolutionary in the metal scene.
@@SuperStrik9honestly he doesn’t hate metallica, what he genuinely hates is megadeth
I thumbed-down this vid because of the Metallica take lol. Kill 'em All is a better debut than Bleach, ffs.
I consider Kill Em’ All not just one the best thrash albums, but one of the best albums in any genre not just in metal. It’s perfectly raw, has that nice teen angst in it yet competent musicians.. I don’t get how can one praise Show No Mercy while not being into Kill Em’ All
Also 3 Dollar Bill Ya’ll is fucking awesome too.
Spot on. Add Nuns Have No Fun, Melissa & Black Metal to that group & that was life back in the day. I was always a Glam/Punk/Goth kid but when those records came out I was all about them. I'll still throw them on once a week or so.
Exactly!
KEA is laughably bad compared to the 4 albums that came after
@@Vivi_9exactly😂 if anything Ride The Lightning is the best thrash album, but objectively no Metallica album is the “best of any genre”
I agree and saying kill em alls bad is a crime imo.
Fin: "Debut albums are either the best or worst thing ever!"
*Also Fin: puts the majority of albums in middle A - C tiers
Because that is originally an elitist/gatekeeper statement. Like "I've known this band before they became famous! Their first album is the best, y'all have no idea what you're talking about!"
And I dont consider him being an elitist/gatekeeper.
IMO the second/third album is the best one for a lot of bands. That's when they found their sound, know what works and what doesnt, and in case they got signed properly, a good producer might bring out the best of a band.
Afterwards, a lot of bands become too polished/commercial or start to repeat themselves.
I think that's because a lot of the bands he covered don't have any terrible albums, so their worst album is still B or C tier.
He said that from the view of "the public". ie people just shout out extreme opinions and don't look/listen to things objectively......
@burningtheevidence8038 proper take. Bands typically have a similar trajectory. Debut lays the ground work. 2nd album sets the direction the band will take. Third is usually where the sound of the band, musicianship, songwriting, and production really come together. It's rare that a band's 4th+ album is a band at their peak.
Three Dollar bill yall is A Tier
Yeah, killer record but everybody is too cool to admit it
B tier at best, besides best lb album
I like LB but... nah :D
That album is the only of its kind. One of my all time favorites
He purposely chose the worst sound on that album to rate it as awful.
Faith and Stuck are absolute God-tier recordings and have aged well.
I have ZERO millennial nostalgia for 3 dollar bill yall and that shit is awesome as fuck
Absolutely, for me everything that LB did after was a letdown. Not sure how a guy who's into actual punk, rap, and HC could think so little of that album.
He's out of his fucking mind. It's easily 1 or 1.a
It's the only LB album that was really raw and unhinged, kind of in a similar spirit to Korn and early Slipknot, still had some of it on Significant Other but started getting bit less interesting. I never get people praising Break Stuff, it was one of the first bad signs of the direction they were going for.
Korn- self titled, Deftones- Adrenaline, Foo Fighters- self titled, Green Day- Kerplunk, alkaline trio- Goddamnit. All S Tier
39/smooth was green days debut
No to all
Great list
Nah
Love the Deft Ones. But Adrenaline is kind of terrible. Has a few songs I still go back to regularly. But there are some cringe moments that didn't age well. That to me is the issue with a lot of Nu Metal, I may have loved it at the time, but much of it didn't age well.
I am 100% sure that Finn has never listened to Three Dollar Bill Y'all
facts, record slaps
Yeah I love it. But I am from Jacksonville so I might be biased.
@@albertfrostmire6706 I am from Mexico and we love it here
It’s my favourite album that they did, pollution and sour are some of my favourite songs ever
@@jakehutson7534 Pollution, Sour, Everything, Counterfeit, front to back S Tier record, crazy riffs and basslines
As a biased The Strokes enjoyer, Is This It is an easy S tier. Influenced a ton of bands after its release as well. Massive impact on the next generation of “rock” artists
Completely agree. Great album every song is great.
agreed, every Strokes album is an easy S tier for me
Pearl Jam's Ten is S tier. I know you're not into it Finn, but it's probably the second most iconic and successful rock album of the early 90s. That said, I like Vs and Vitalogy more
Sound of the Seventh Trumpet being bad is a horrific take. This actually nails the early 00s metalcore sound and is good af.
It's their sloppiest album but it has soul!
I love that album but it's not good, it's got some redeeming elements to it(Rev doing drums in one take was cool) but a lot of the lyrics really aren't up to snuff with what Avenged Sevenfold put out later, even as soon as WTF. The vocals are bad, the mixing absolutely sucks. Production is non-existent. It doesn't really feel like it knows what it's trying to do a lot of the time, and while yes it has soul, just didn't really have what makes A7X A7X yet. I really enjoy it but I feel like there's something that needs to be reevaluated if you don't think that it's at best a C tier album.
Lips of deceit was one I always liked but the album as a whole…
I agree
I really like the album. Not perfect for sure, but has a lot of cool stuff on it.
I mean Psycho Synner's 100 albums released in one year were all unskippable 10's.
Obituary, Sepultura, Hatebreed, Slipknot and Emmure all have S tier debut albums
I’ve heard you talk about Appetite For Destruction many times and I 100% agree, god tier album. Would love to see a whole video about it one day.
" "Alright, yeah!"
-James Hetfield "
-Finn McKenty, 2024
Weird. I am not a Metallica fan (neither a hater, just whatever) and I really like Kill em All. I love the rawness they put on that.
What I do am is a Nirvana fan and Bleach is their worst studio album... Which isn't a bad thing to say because everything else they recorded is simply great. Bleach is, IMO, a very good debut and you can already see signs of a huge band in there. But... Better than Nevermind? No fucking way
To me Nevermind sounded too radio rock, and Utero sounded like it was more concerned with making a point than actually being good. Bleach just comes off as raw and natural, and factoring in the budget/ time/ equipment limitations that album is a masterpiece IMO. I can understand liking Nevermind more, but Utero, really? It honestly sounds like at least 1/3 of the vocals on that album use roughly the same melody line.
Objectively definately better than Nevermind. Proper grunge.
Bleach has some great songs, but Grohl is the difference between okay Bleach Nirvana and amazing Nevermind Nirvana. I still think Bleach is better than most of In Utero, that album just seemed like such a let down.
It's pretty funny listening to Finn say "this is bad, it sounds like a local band" when all of these bands were literally local bands since it's their first album
I still love slayers debut because it sounds more like Judas Priest but with the Slayer edge
Absolutely.
Fight Til Death is such a fun riff to play too, The Antichrist, Tormentor and Black Magic are great.
Judas Priest and Venom. And then Celtic Frost took it even further
There's actually a LOT of people who actually prefer that early Thrash era when it was evolving out of Speed Metal.
1986 was the gamechanger year for Thrash when those bands when Metallica and Slayer released the "genre-defining" albums Master & Reign but over time I've grown a HUGE appreciation for the early pre-1986 albums that have that sweet spot between Traditional Heavy Metal and fully formed Thrash Metal.
There's a unique charm to the style of those early albums that was lost when Thrash fully evolved. Don't get me wrong - LOVE full-blown Thrash - Justice is actually my favourite Thrash record - but I can TOTALLY see why people would rate the debuts as their favourites.
Whilst they weren’t precisely the first, the Strokes did it right.
It sounds authentic because they recorded it in a room together like a “real” band. They purposely made it sound like shit, but the musicianship holds up and everyone wanted to be them or fuck them.
Everyone else aped them and then the scene ate itself.
Besides The Strokes, The Arctic Monkeys, The Black Keys, and The White Stripes were the only other bands who did that whole "retro garage revival rock" trend right in my opinion, then like you said the scene quickly ate itself with copycats, some of whom still managed to squeak out some solid songs. But the trend still proved to be influential, despite being short-lived. The Killers and Cage The Elephant were basically its spiritual successors, they sold pretty well and had huge hits. And The Black Keys and The Arctic Monkeys hit their career peaks YEARS after the trend was out of fashion.
I think it’s funny that the first two examples you used are first albums that are neither the worst or the best
The production may be pretty "meh" for Kill em All, but there are some bangers on the album. "Seek and Destroy" , "Whiplash", "Four Horsemen" and "Phantom Lord" are all up there. I always think of "Kill em All" as the most fun Metallica album.
3 Dollar Bill Y’all was amazing.
He's out of his God damn mind. 3 dollar bill is easily top 2. I'd say insignificant other 1 and 3 dollar bill 1a
"It doesn't even sound like they're playing the same song". Finns trying a little too hard there. $3 bill yall is amazing
That album has faith, sour, stalemate, pollution, counterfeit, leech, clunk, nobody loves me.
I've just done 3 weeks of listening to bands first albums from my collection. I had forgotten how good some of them were.
Kill em all is still one of my favourites despite better albums later down the line.
Bleach I thought was great. Really nice to get that more rough and ready nirvana sound.
Pablo honey by radio head was a stand out for me. I was shamed i had left it so long between listens.
And shout out to frogstomp by sliverchair. So damn young and it sounded so good. The definition of having a 10 years experience requirement for your first job.
If you make a part 2 of this. I think The Poison from Bullet for my valentine deserves a shout!
Such an incredible album. It wasn’t until I got older and started playing guitar where I could truly appreciate how difficult playing some of those songs are. They had a band called ‘John Killed Jeff’ or something along those lines before BFMV which is more nu metal
Funny enough I think their ep hand of blood is even better
Scream aim fire is their debut lolll?
@@zterpz7332 no, Scream Aim Fire was their second album, it came out in 2008, The Poison was in 2005.
@@dudeno3182 bro Google it, scream aim fire its literally their debut
Kill Em All is one of the best and most influential albums ever in metal. Wtf are you smoking putting it in C. Every song is a Metallica staple.
Oasis "Definitely Maybe" is an outstanding album, however their second was amazing also NIN first was great but second was somehow better. The Cars and Boston never could do better than their first albums
Hybrid theory is a no skip. Best album for me and they aren't even in my top 10 bands
Nirvana is tough because all 3 albums sound quite different. I can see people that like metal or Melvins type sludge grunge liking Bleach best. Nevermind is way more pop and straightforward and hooky. In Utero is rawer depressioncore. Obviously Nevermind is the most influential, though.
Unplugged too
How dare you say something so vile as "3 Dollar Bill Y'all is absolute trash!" My butt...it hurts...so very bad.
I love that album
Yeah I've got to get some 💊💉 for my butt hurt agony. I gotta see the Dr soon.
I'm in my 40's and I like limp bizkit now. It's corny, but it rocks when you're BBQing.." Give me something break"😅
Same here.I’m 46 and never cared for them.For some reason I love them now 🤷🏽
Yeah Limp Bizkit is corny and fun. Interestingly I never cared for them during their heyday either.
So sorry
@@Bigmouthstrikes82 for what?
Hmmm....for S Tier debuts, I'd definitely go (chronologically):
KISS
Van Halen I
Iron Maiden
Kill 'Em All
Show No Mercy
Soul of a New Machine
Timestamps for each album:
1:49 Cheshire Cat- Blink 182
3:25 Kill Em All- Metallica
4:55 Hybrid Theory- Linkin Park
6:09 Nirvana- Bleach
7:12 Sounding The Seventh Trumpet- Avenged Sevenfold
8:55 Show No Mercy- Slayer
9:59 A Fever You Can't Sweat Out- Panic! At The Disco
10:54 Appetite For Destruction- Guns N Roses
12:18 Three Dollar Bill Y'All- Limp Bizkit
13:19 Is This It- The Strokes
14:34 Contradictions Collapse- Meshuggah
Bleach is alright. It's literally just two separate recordings from two different sessions glued together & called an album.
One half of the album was recorded with Dale cover (of the Melvins) & the other half was recorded with their new drummer at the time Chad channing a couple months after.
They had two / three lineup changes by the time they even got the album out.
Bleach is a fantastic album. Brilliant raw sound and the guitars and vocals are killer!
@simondavies109 bleach is great. If you're still in high school. I think Nevermind & in utero have more to offer in lyrics, songwriting, riffs, & the entire package as a whole.
I think bleach could've been so much more in my eyes had the band released it a year earlier.
@@itjustgetsworseproductionsYeah I don't always think music is 'subjective' but definately with Nirvana mate. In Utero my personal favourite. I also think Incesticide is massively underrated.
100% agree on Appetite. Hands down one of the greatest rock albums of all time. Perfection.
It’s definitely in that ‘All Time Great Debut Albums’ tier.
$3 dollar bill is amazing. Don't care what anyone says.
Fr one of my favorites
Very underrated if you are into the genre
Especially sour easily most underrated track on the album
Yea love that
I honestly like A7X's debut album. lol
Nice never heard it. I saw them open for I think dio or mushrooomhead. Wasnt impressed but Rev was at the merch booth looking bored.
I agree I feel like the sloppiness and overall chaos makes it super fun to listen to.
Nah, finn and chat are crazy. Kill Em All is an amazing solid album.
It’s… good. I used to love it. It’s a solid album
I feel like of their first 5, it’s the least great, but it’s still a fun record
Twisted Sister's Under the Blade, Aereogramme's Story in White, Dredg's Leitmotif, Korn's Korn, Roxette's and David Hasselhoff's debuts, Rage Against the Machine's Rage Against the Machine, Kyuss'ss'ss'sss Blues for the Red Sun... all S tier.
Putting tallica in C and hybrid theory in S is wild
The box when it's not tight at all sounds super good in some genres, Avenged Sevenfold made that a bodacious thing with their first album.
S TIER: (Best or near best work by artist)
Gwar - Scumdogs of the universe
Korn - Self titled
Propaghandi - How to clean everything
Unbreakable Hatred - Total Chaos
Crass - The Feeding of the 5000
Minor Threat - Minor Threat
Berurier Noir - Macadam Massacre
Half moon run - Dark eyes
Motorhead - Self titled
Hein Cooper - The art of Escape
Cynic - Focus
Fall of Effrafa - Owsla
Les Ramoneurs de Menhirs- Dañs an diaoul
The Maggoty Brats- Danse Macabre
Rob - zombie - Hellbilly Deluxe
Sum 41 - All killer no filler
Nile - Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren-Ka
Misery Index - Retaliate
Zeal and Ardor- Devil is fine
Kitty - Spit
Tenacious D - Self titled
Beastie Boy - Licenced to Ill
Ramones - Self titled
Suffocation - Effigy of the forgotten
Rage against the machine- Self titled
A tier: (Solid work but not their best album)
The accused - The return of Martha Splaterhead
S.O.D - Speak english or die
D.R.I - Dirty Rotten
Cryptopsy- Blasphemy made flesh
D.B.C - Dead Brain Cells
Groovy Aardvark- Eaters digest
Rammstein - Herzeleid
Marylin Manson - Portrait of an American Familly
Foo Figther - Self Titled
Darkthrone - Soulside Journey
Iron Maiden - Self titled
Misfits - Walk among us
Metric - Live it out
Dropkick Murphys - Do or Die
Tool - undertow
Oathbreaker - Maelström
The Cranberries- Everybody is doing it so ehy can't we
Bad Religion - How could else be any worst
Pennywise - Self titled
Immortal- Full moon mysticism
White Ward - Origins
Twenty one pilot - Self titled
Sacred Reich - Ignorance
Bloodhound gang - Use your fingers
(Hed) P.E - Self titled
F tier : (Shit or far from their best work)
Slipknot - Mate Feed kill repeat
Pantera - Metal Magic
Nofx - Liberal Animation (I think it's good but far from their best/known work)
Refused - This just might be the truth (again good but far from their succesfull albums)
Silverchair - Frogstomp
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Self titled (not bad att all but so far from their greatest work)
Papa Roach - Old friend from young years
Voivod - War and pain (good but even the remastered version is still super rough sounding)
The Offsprings - Self titled (good but so far yet from the perfect album that is Smash)
Eskimo Callboy - Bury me in vegas (Generic MySpace mish-mash)
Ministry - White Sympathy (Not bad but far from what their known for)
Kid Rock - Grits Sandwiches for breakfast (Not that he ever made great albums, he was for a moment popular on MTV. But this one surely wasn't going to make him the well known figure he is today)
Some inclusions for the next iteration of this segment- Pantera. As I Lay Dying. Slipknot. Good Charlotte. Killswitch Engage. Stone Temple Pilots. Rage Against the Machine.
Also, would be cool to do a similar tier list with sophomore albums with the same bands.
That first Avenged Sevenfold album is bad, but Rev's snare tone on that thing is oh so good.
Hybrid Theory is one of the best opening albums of all-time in my opinion and my favorite album of theirs.
Bruh Limp Bizkit first album is the heaviest and yeah it wasn't a commercial success other than the song faith but its a damn good heavy album and Kill em all had Dave on guitar leads and I love kirk but dave on leads were amazing, Damn putting Linkin Park above all is comedy
Marilyn Manson’s first album is dripping with punk saliva…
I’m really shocked it doesn’t get more attention from the punk scene. It’s such a strange, cool, corky nightmare record with some very original guitar work and fun songs.
Awesome album
Best album Manson put out. I still only listen to his first 3 only
I actually enjoy Avenged Sevenfold’s first album. My favorite song on the album is STREETS, simply because how fast the Rev shreds on those drums. 😱🥁
I don’t think it’s terrible, but it’s definitely enjoyable for what it was, but I’m very aware that it’s not their best work whatsoever and no songs were iconic from that album at all.
Panic only ever released one good album. But Fever is fucking incredible. On regular rotation.
Of course, someone who praises Hybrid Theory would trash Kill em All.
Need to put calculating infinity in the next tier list
Bleach is the album you listen to when you want to hear Nirvana sound live.
Not saying the other albums are corny are anything, but Bleach has pure unmatched nature like the live shows.
Some of my favorites, as for "1st album=best album":
Static-X Wisconsin Death Trip
Mudvayne LD50
Staind Dysfunction
Limp Bizkit 3 Dolla Bill Y'all
Scott is a highly underrated drummer. He had some genuinely great parts on Dude Ranch. I personally find many of Travis's parts to be very weird, like Adam's Song
Contradictions Collapse has one the sickest coolest bass tone of all time. The way it’s so throaty and metallic sounding it perfect I don’t think any other bass tone comes close.
11:23 This was either the last album, or one of the last to be recorded to analog tape. Thank Izzy for the guitar interplay. Everybody gives Slash the props, but Izzy could bang out songs.
A fever you can't sweat out still holds up today!
Cro Mags. Pretty perfect debut
Hell yeah ! I agree with you on Appetite for Destruction . I loved that raw gritty sleazy sound and how well you could hear the bass work by Duff . Not a bad song on it . Some songs im worn out on a bit but it still don't change the fact they were all killer ! I wish they would have stuck with that vibe . LIES EP was cool too .
7:10 How did I know this was coming 😂
I will always love The Rev as an inspiration and icon, but the 7th trumpet isn't what captured me at all.
Agreed. System of a Down and Slipknot and Korn: excellent debut albums
Bring Me the Horizon: terrible debut album. Bad Omens' debut album also is their worst so far by far
Shit, I'm 33 and was delighted when you started playing Hit the Lights.
This was the most spot on tier List on all points well done.
I just wish Sublime got some love with "'Jah Won't Pay The Bills" is one of the best debut
albums for any band ever released. Includes Finn's' favorite Sublime song ever Badfish.
Jah Won't Pay The Bills was an EP. 40oz To Freedom was their debut.
IMHO, The Killers and The Cars have absolutely amazing debut albums both in terms of immediate impact and longevity. Both were absolute pop/rock MONSTERS with several (at least 5) hits and transcended genres. Brilliant albums.
You should do a tier list of self titled albums because so many bands have at least one self titled album
The fact that your favorite album from LP is One More Light makes you a total G
I would like to hear a take on the idea of first and sophmore album should be 1-2 perfect combo in order to secure artists name as legendary. Same with movies. As an example people often put Tarantino with Dogs & Pulp Fiction. What are the best 1-2 punch albums. And the same with first 3 songs run on the record.
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Aereogramme, Dredg, Tool, Twisted Sister, Radiohead, Nirvana, System of a Down, David Hasselhoff, Rage Against the Machine, Marilyn Manson, The 3rd & the Mortal, Queens of the Stone Age, Dimmu Borgir, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Mogwai, Kinderzimmer Productions, Theatre of Tragedy, Boston, Rammstein...
I really don't know how exactly to stop this list.
My fav Blink songs ate on Nine. Ive been listening since the 90's. Liked the Matt Skiba stuff.
I’m actually floored you didn’t talk about Korn’s OR Suicide Silence’s debut albums. Both would be S tier for you too!
I do love sounding the 7th trumpet alot but only for we come out at night shattered by broken dreams and warmness of the soul
As a metallica and a7x fan, i understand your opinions and respect them
I'm A7X's fan but STST is the only album I'm not able to listen to, haha 😅 Their progress as musicians and songwriters is very noticeable. Just four years after STST they wrote City of Evil, a masterpiece. Also, look at their last album, such a brilliant piece of art compared to the debut and a real prog album.
@@emberdocity of evil is one of my favorites of all times
Rage against the machine has my all time favorite debut album.Masterpiece!! Facelift is awesome too.My older brothers always say the first Van Halen album is great.My wife loves the Blind Melon debut
3 Dollar Bill is fucking incredible. You couldn’t be more wrong
Right? Their first 3 albums are GOATED but TDBY is their best!
It's the only one I like, everything afterwards was crap, well except for the song with Method Man
Hell yeah. Gold Cobra is the worst LB album. Some people say Results May Vary but those people are wrong.
I agree 💯💯💯
Their best and hardest album
To the point of the debut being either the best or worst album, I think for artists debuting on major labels, it tends to be considered the best, while for artists who started independently, it tends to be considered the worst, because it's impossible to record and produce an album that sounds like one that was created with a major label budget.
I think it's fairly common where the debut album has the best, or at least the most popular singles, but isn't the artist's best full-lenth experience. It's not hard to understand why. For artists on major labels, the label generally wants them to write songs that are very accessible and mainstream-friendly. It's a way of getting the largest possible fan base right out of the gate. The artists themselves also likely don't have a lot of experience writing, which is something people get better at over time. This tends to result in albums that are front-loaded, where the singles just far outshine the album tracks. Audioslave - Self Titled, The Killers - Hot Fuss, and I know it's pop but Avril Lavigne - Let Go are all examples. All 3 are debut albums, and had the most popular singles for their respective artists. However, the other tracks largely get ignored, and the same artists have at least one other album that's considered a more consistent full length listen. There are probably other albums with the same issue, but these 3 come to mind first.
Sounding the seventh trumpet takes me back to smoking swag in high school
Some of the bands with terrible first albums I think depends on the difficulty of the music, like before greatness, there were things they had to work out, and live it before they elevated. Some styles are harder to pull off than others, or some are more natural. With hindsight we can look at an old album and see where it went and then determine if that is good. For metal the hump could be locking in the chugs, or rock getting the bad ideas out before evolving them into good variations cohesive with the sound. Some writing needs to be bad, before it can be good IMO. Good selection. Fun to see where they started and how all of these artists elevated their game
From my understanding all the material on Kill 'em All is technically a few years older than when it debut in 1983, so yes it is closer to speed metal and why Ride the Lightning sounds more departed and "advanced" despite coming out a year after Kill 'em All
Hey Finn dude man. I don't know if you are aware of this, but the appetite for destruction we got at the record store was not the original recording of the album. There was actually a different recording of it that was released a couple year's before that one and it is almost entirely different than that one. It's the same song's but the words in most of them are different and "in my opinion" it's a little more aggressive and MIGHT be better than the one the label released💁♂️
You may be thinking of the Hollywood Rose demos. That wasnt the whole album and was before Slash was involved.
Was that the one with the alternate cover art that was replaced with the one we all know?
@stewartdowouis9218 I know what you are referring to but that's not it. There is an appetite for destruction album they released locally that only had like a few hundred copies made. There's a woman here on TH-cam that has it and it's complete with cover art and everything. I mean perhaps it is that Hollywood rose demo album and they just recorded it again with Slash in it. But I do know it's GNR appetite for destruction with the entire band in it👌
@@LimpyKjr117No. That was the same record. He has to be referring to the stuff Axl and Izzy did before they met slash and Steven. Look up Hollywood Rose
@@stewartdowouis9218 and the early version of L.A. Guns had a member, or maybe it was just members of both bands formed gnr as the final band
i love Finns "link in bio" bit to start every video lol. make that money!
I mean, yes? That’s literally the purpose of every job, right?
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Absolutely!
You know we're all suckers for tier lists.
Hybrid theory is really the only linkin park album I ever got into.
Respect their work, but this album is the only one I rock and my teenage daughters love it too.
Crawling is my favorite Linkin Park song and it's not really even that close.
Meteora is the other Linkin Park album worth listening too imo
Appetite was NOT GnR’s debut album. They had an album before titled “Live Like a Suicide” which was rereleased later as part of Lies
Spiritbox's eternal blue is an amazing album with no trash songs. I think it would be an s tier album if it was on here
I was listening to that first Panic album on first day of my college graphic design class, but I didn't realize my headphones weren't plugged in so everyone heard it.
It was so damn embarrassing when I realized my headphones weren't plugged in.
"Show No Mercy is the worst thing Slayer ever did"
J-Dawg is *quaking*
Kill em all is a favourite of mine. The first song I ever learnt on guitar was seek and destroy so I'll always love it. A great debut imo
Hot Fuss, from the Killers.
appetite is definitely an s tier album but I really love the solos on some of the use your illusion songs
The drumming on Cheshire Cat was not terrible, considering that Scott was only like 15-16 years when they recorded that album. Obviously Travis is the over all better drummer of the 2 but Scott doesn’t deserve the hate he gets.
Sounding the Seventh Trumpet is not a bad album. The production is bad and the songs needed cleaned up, but if they had been in a real studio with an experienced producer, I don't think anyone would hate it the way they do. As far as early 2000s metalcore goes, it was really solid. The production and sound quality just ruins it
I could listen to Finn gush about Gn'R "Appetite For Destruction" for 60 minutes straight.
It like ASMR for me.
Quit the video a couple minutes in after he ranked blink 182 highter than Metallica Kill Em All. Not an intelligent person whatsoever. Shame on him.
Next video should be Uncle Finn choosing one album to listen to for a week from all the albums that he wouldn't choose to listen to. Kinda like best of the worst.
Limp bizkit debute is a classic 10/10
I watched a clip of Frankie from Emmure recently getting pumped up to Counterfeit, putting it on some Playlist.... would have loved the alternative universe viewpoint of Finn being in the same room, killing the vibe of one of his favorite bands , complaining about this "millennial trash" playing 😂😂
Counterfeit still slaps , will die on that hill 🤘👽🤘
The guy from Lagwagon said it best, "At the start the band is more focused on rehearsal, not recording techniques, so they end up sounding more like they do live, and that's why many people prefer the bands first albums".
Man I love how Finn trash talked Limp Bizkit in this one.
Even though I'm nostalgic on LB I have to totally agree.
Nothing but support for the guy in chat repeatedly asking for Milo Goes to College