Christina Hoff Sommers: Feminism Used To Be Liberal, But Now It’s Marxist
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- Feminist philosopher and author Christina Hoff Sommers breaks down the difference between equality feminism, rooted in classical liberalism, and the radical, Marx-inspired gender feminism that dominates today’s discourse. The feminist movement of the past fought for equal access to opportunities and legal protections for women, creating a lasting legacy of progress. However, the rise of gender feminism has shifted the focus from fulfilling the promise of the Enlightenment to radically rejecting the liberal values that once defined the fight for women’s rights. Christina critiques this shift for fostering resentment toward men and refusing to accept that even in the absence of oppression, most men and women will gravitate towards and thrive best in traditional gender roles.
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Quick question for you, I wanted to use a link to one of your videos in the third book I’m publishing, in the final chapter on fighting hyperpolarization and finding common ground and shared values across America. 🇺🇸
One section discusses common grievances - and dives into the economic hypocrisy and harm of affluent progressives failing to live up to their values. You did a video on this (listening to someone break it down, blue cities and unaffordable housing, zoning issues, etc), but I can’t find the video.
If you have any idea where it is / its title please 🙏 please let me know! Many thanks and keep up the awesome work
my apologies, it was a different video, th-cam.com/video/hNDgcjVGHIw/w-d-xo.html
I saw it months ago and saw lots of your stuff and somehow my brain merged the two together...:op
Feminism is the status quo. It is a reactionary movement that appeals to the rebellious self-interested young women (and some men)
Men?
@@eric45005 Well, there are male feminists.
Or maybe our forefathers were right.
I recommend Rachel Wilson's book, "Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation." Also, "Witches, Feminism, and the Fall of the West" by Edward Dutton is another good one. First wave feminism did not have such an innocent start either, it seems.
I haven't read the book yet but I do know that suffragettes were aristocratic women who would let the impoverished women take all the punishment and buy their way out of it, with the backing of capitalistic men. Nothing new under the sun.
Marx and Engels were strongly endorsing all of the tenets of Feminism DECADES before the "First Wave."
"Equality" is just the motte.
So what? Why does it have to be innocent and how could it be innocent when women are blamed for "Man's" downfall since Eden. Of course that narrative was BS
@@roryteal5940 I recommend the books I cited if you want more answers.
It’s amazing how people will follow an ideology but don’t know anything about the history of it … kind of sounds like a cult mindset
I support equality. An employer should be able to fire a man just because he gets pregnant, too.
Yes, the pregnant man crap is a sign that US society has lost its mind. I guess having too much freedom and wealth causes us to have stupid thoughts and goals… part of a weakened male society. China is looking at this and now realizing that we may be ripe for a take over, but no need to worry because they are doing it without firing a shot because they know the one great weakness of US men is the greed and the CCP is using it 10 different way to destroy the US from the inside out.
Yea they cant be drafted tho right lol
No but you should
Yes they can. All have selective service cards now I believe
@@artemishumaan6984 There was a bill introduced in June 2024 that would have opened up Selective Service requirements for women but it died. Women still can't register for the draft.
Glad this clip hasn't been taken down yet John! Good on you sir to repost!
Absolutely LOVE everything Dad Saved America does!
Equality doesnt exist when it comes to loev, emotions, empathy, compassion... it has no measurement.
as grass has no measurement.
She’s a second wave feminist. Equality. First wave was for the vote. No one can explain the third and fourth waves.
All of the waves are the same. From the very beginning, it has been about promoting a false narrative, destroying families and demonizing men. There is no defending feminism.
2nd wave, seemed to start with equality, but it pretty fast moved over to thinking the only way we can get equality, is by becoming communists.
But non of them seemed to observe how life was in the communist countries or be willing to fight for woman in those countries, proving the movement had already been taken over by people with other goals.
3rd wave, seemed to be them merging with all the other movements that had been taken over by communists. So you could no longer claim to be a feminist, unless you also supported the black panthers or the lgbt movement. Losing even more of it's support for woman but rather just be a controlled group for the communists.
and the 4th wave seem to be about claiming to be victims, to gather support and cash. So, the Metwo movement, except we know they did not care about victims, since non of them spoke out against Epstein, P.Diddy or Bill Clinton.
They where still only trying to push society left. And you notice how quick metwo vanished when it turned out how most abusers where left wing .
It was never about Equality.
The "First Wave" demanded their rights, while refusing to lobby for Equality in conscription. It was ALWAYS a cynical ploy for domination by the majority group that is talked about as if it's the minority...
we can. Its about power and the desire to create an authoritarian world.
sorry but NO
feminism has not gone wrong
it ALWAYS WAS a hate movement
see the work of Janice Fiamengo on the hate brought forth being the Seneca Falls Declaration of Sentiments -a feminist manifesto from 1848
Stfu it has gone wrong
Oh wow, it had been a while since I last saw Miss Hoff Summers on a podcast. I guess she took a hiatus from the insanity, good for her in any case, but happy to see her back! Love you Christina, keep talking that sense!
This demographic is quite confused. A feminist got angry with me for saying that men and women are different.
Then this feminist told me that I can’t have an opinion on abortion because I don’t have a uterus… unknowingly, admitting that men and women are different,
Next time, just say you identify as a woman.
It’s vague and meaningless to say man and women are different, if you say women have uterus and men don’t, nobody will argue with you.
@@junxu4438 Um... first day on the internet?
Yes, they will argue with you. There's something called Gener Ideology that argues that your gender is determined by an innate feeling.
Thank you
It only makes sense that if men are susceptible to a military draft then women should be susceptible to a breeding draft. Both non-immigrant based population maintenance and military recruitment are pillars of a country’s survival.
For men, the ability to vote is inextricably tied to military conscription. Voting requires a fundamental commitment to the society & country. There is nothing comparable for women.
Requiring women to also be drafted is a waste. It does not benefit the military or the security of the country & society.
It only makes sense if you aren't a disingenuous misandrist.
LOVE Christina.
"Complicated reasons" for women not being chief architects of philosophy, among other areas, she claims was "not having the opportunity" is nonsense. Men like to invent, are good at it, and should not be castigated for it. Nor should their inventiveness be spun by feminists as unfair advantage. To this day, inventiveness can be seen--measured even--as overwhelmingly overrepresented (to use a leftwing term) by men, with more than 9 out of 10 patents filed BY MEN. If men are good at inventing, let them! If men are good at writing philosophy, let them! If men are good at this or that, let them! People like this woman need to stop spinning the achievements of men as "patriarchy." This woman and all women like her have a FAR EASIER LIFE than anyone (men or women) in the centuries before us.
No matter what, as long as they are allowed to hold the microphone, they will complain.
I think a lot of issues like this come from movements overstaying their welcome and having to become more and more extreme to stay relevant. Women are doing just fine in modern society (at least relative to men), so original feminism has largely served its purpose
Women are doing terribly in modern society.What are you talking about? Feminism sure has been effective though. American families are completely destroyed, and men are viciously hated and discriminated against. That's what feminism has been from the first wave until now.
Women got everything they demanded, yet they didn't get what they actually wanted. So instead of reassessing what they demanded, they instead demand more, and more, and more, thinking they must be missing something still.
Women are less happy than in the past. Men aren't. The 'advances' of women backfired on themselves. Yet instead of stepping back to see where they went wrong, they plow ahead, no matter what cliff is in front of them.
Can a woman portray a female Superman and at the same time portray a woman? Equivalency versus Equality.
Sorry but Women’s Rights was not Feminism.
There were dishwashers, washing machines and electric stoves. The real deal. Without them, such a movement would have been impossible to succeed. That's why the suffragettes were not successful at the beginning of the 20th century. If you have to wash clothes in a washtub with a scratch board for a family of seven, you don't have time for that. That's why
the movement was only really successful in the 60s. Those who were not helped by technical progress were men. Until today, because capitalism ruled them. You now have a modern combine harvester and can do the work you used to do in half the time? Tough luck, now you do twice as much. That didn't happen in the home. Electric appliances really saved time.
But women have been tricked into the men's sphere and are now stuck there with us...😂
Is the problem with feminism that it was always going to end up this way? Is it the same with liberalism? The question is what is the limiting factor in either of these ideologies?
yes it was always going to end up this way.
Where we are followed inevitably from where we were.
This is a great breakdown. My main issue with modern radical leftist ideology of most all kinds is its dogmatism and narrow religious style thinking . That’s annoying and delusional at best and dangerous and harmful at worst
No offense to Dr. Sommers (I really appreciate what she's done to push back against misandry), but I have my doubts about feminism being itself coming from liberalism. My suspicion is that it was Marxist, and spiritualist (with Gnostic influences), from the beginning. At the least, I would need to be convinced that a Marxist model isn't the natural conclusion of the liberal model. In any case, I recommend abandoning the feminist label entirely now. The ideology is overwhelmingly Marxist and Marxists are more than happy to use "moderates" as shields (Marxists often call them useful idiots) to defend their insane ideas. If you want fairness and cooperation between the sexes, I'd strongly suggest using a different label for that. Feminism is a completely unsalvageable label for such a position.
Reduce everything to absolute truth.... like plastic surgery where the person looks like artificial figure.
Picture the meme in your heads. “Always was.”
Based mom is still based.
It isn't possible to be a feminist and be based. She is a liar. Feminism was always about hatefulness and destruction of men and society.
I'm going to have to disagree that feminism was ever liberal.
"Why don't you tell me comrade and brother how do you treat the old woman back home?"
- John Lennon, Power to the People
Follow the money.
My friend knows a guy that believes that the worst thing that ever happened was giving women the right to vote. I pointed out that the countries with relative equality for women are wealthy democracies. The fewer rights women have the crappier things get.
those countries were wealthy if you look at the debt they have accrued in the last 100 years. Look at Dubai vs Detroit, Shanghai vs San Francisco.
If women's suffrage were the factor, then the divergence in wealth between those sets of countries should have started after women started voting. However, it began long before. Western nations were becoming wealthier through trade, industry, etc. centuries before women were voting. The difference for why some countries became wealthy and others have not is far older and more basic than women voting.
In all likelihood, you've reversed cause and effect.
Those wealthy Western nations likely only gave women the right to vote because they felt safe enough to allow it. Their judgement may have been mistaken.
If a woman is paying taxes, she has the right to vote. It's her money that is paying the politician's salary so she gets to have a say. If you don't want women to vote, then we don't have to pay taxes. Bring back debtors prisons if that's the case.
@karenclark266 If a man is subject to the draft, he should get an extra vote. It's his life that's being expended to protect EXCLUSIVELY women.
If you want women to have equal rights, force them to have equal responsibilities. Of course, women aren't interested in equality, just the appearance of equality while exercising dominance.
Marxism and liberalism are the path at different points.
As a marxist who studies marxist theory and organizes with hundreds of other marxists, feminism is not a marxist concept. Its progressive but that doesnt make it marxist.
But then you also deny a long list of the worst atrocities committed along with fact that his father thought he was a monster, and the hypocrisy that his aunt was married to Nathan Rothschild who purchased the land in the Levant.
The Post Modern movement in the US has used the Marxist paradigm of oppressor and oppressed for various categories. Instead of Capitalist and Proletariat, it’s whites and blacks, men and women (patriarchy), straight and gay, sex (gender) and trans. The big difference is Marxist had the class difference. US leftists have given up on class and instead have used these other differences based on oppressor/oppressed. It’s the tearing down of all standards. See the four olds from the Cultural Revolution.
The raised fist is the communist salute... feminism is identity politics, a tool of Marxism... yeah, it's Marxist...
Why does everything need to be labeled to fit in a certain box?
@@robertholland7558 There are scholars that write books about this stuff. It’s what they call it.
Blah blah blah 😴