You can say whatever but Vinnie Vincent played on the most metal albums Kiss ever made creatures and lick it up. Wrote some of the best and heaviest music on Revenge.
Absolutely Accurate. Gene and Paul were always chasing trends when their success fell off after alive 2. If you look at the albums they were always at the end of a trend.even Chris Jericho noticed this. This is why they needed co-writers like vinnie. Otherwise you’d have more albums like Psycho Circus, Sonic Turd, and Monster.
Is it Vinnie still or Vanessa? I'm not trying to be bigoted fool or whatever just wondering. He looks creepy. Even the Adams Family would throw him out.
the comments in here are so funny. As if anyone one in here would get back together with someone who tried to sue them 10+ times. Half you clowns would kill the guy who took your parking spot let alone sue you countless times.
~GENE Didn't Mention Why He Was Suing,. (-But VINNIE Said: He Put All That Work In, -& Was Still Driving His $500 Five Hundred -Dollar Car,. And All The While He Got The -Record Going, And Filling Stadiums/Every- -One Thinking He's A Success, Yet In Reality -He Said; They'd Shut Him Up With Pocket -Money, Figuring Look At Me, I Come From -Having Nothing, I Was Poor, They Seen It, -So They'd Stick $800 Bucks In My Pocket, -Then I Thought I Was Rich,& Have A Night) Being Hired For A Couple Bucks Is One Thing But To Then Be Creative Enough, To Warrant Production Time/Recording Time In The Studio And Create A Successful Album + And To Get All The Way Down To Having 3 Shows Left, And Still Never Compensated Accordingly, Since He Was Doing MORE Than What He Was Hired For, Warranting Just Due Pay! (-And That's Where The Law Suit Was, -And KISS Leaned On Why He Was Hired, -An For What Sum, And Steered Away From -The Alteration Of Vinnie's Job Description -Transition, Which Would Change His Worth) ~It Became; Who Had The Better Lawyer(s) - An` Who Did Not.. ~Respectfully!
@Chatsworth Osborne, Jr. ~Yeah,.. Everyone Thinks It's All FUN, But You Work, And Travel, Constantly,. And If You's Didn't START Together, You Get To Watch "Everyone Else" Get RICH! ; \
@Chatsworth Osborne, Jr. I wouldn't come to a conclusion because we don't know exactly everything that went on. Do you think anyone held a gun to Viv's head to do the Holy Diver album at minimum wage? Do you think that Dio, Ozzy, or KISS would have been less successful without these guitarists? One thing for sure is that these bands were still filling concert halls just as much when these guitarists were no longer with them. Maybe attitudes are different today. Back then most of us could care less who was playing guitar. We just wanted to see these bands in concert.
Really? Vinnie was on 2 albums. Creatures didn't sell. Then they took off the makeup and released Lick It Up, which was a success. Seems like it was the removal of the makeup, not Vinnie.
@@martywhite2988 Creatures got critical acclaim though and Lick It Up had killer guitar work. I think Vinnie was great with Kiss. Of course, he did ridiculous things, like 10-hour, self-indulgent guitar solos, but he still added a lot to the Kiss albums he contributed to.
@@kforcer Critical acclaim doesn't put you back on the map. Creatures didn't sell and tickets for the show barely sold. Had it not been for South America, Kiss probably would have folded. If they kept the makeup on, Lick It Up would have been a flop.
@@martywhite2988 Lick It Up had some great songs though. I thought they did a great job marrying an 80's metal sound to the classic Kiss sound. Crazy Nights was a great album too, in my book, even though my favorites off of that didn't make it to the album. You really think it was all about losing the makeup and not the music? You might be right, but me, I loved the songs off of Lick it Up.
@@kforcer I never cared for Lick It Up. I think Creatures is the superior record. The first album heard was Crazy Nights. I like it, though many despise it. That led me to Exposed, which led me to Alive II. I had no idea they were "that band that wore makeup" until Exposed.
If Vinnie were actually in shape and could prove he could play they'd probably have buried the hatchet one more time for him, but in his current condition? No way.
@Nate Cannon Which ones were those again? Some people who have never even tried to sue him, let alone keep receipts or proofs-of-purchase to support their claims?
@@b.scottfarthingsworth Thank you , sir ! I enjoy making people laugh. If I can do that and insult Gene Simmons at the same time, then I feel that I have accomplished something!!! 🤪
Creatures of the night, 3/4 of that album is bad ass, Young and wasted, and Vinny wrote Not for the innocent, and that's still my favorite none original Kiss tune, he also wrote unholy. and that was the hardest and darkest tune on revenge.
Why is Paul and Gene always "Bashing" their former band-mates? You don't see this with AC/DC or The Rolling Stones? Unreal. It's time to move on here Gene and Paul!
Why is it that fans are often ”bashing” two of the current band members? You dont see that in AC/DC or the Rolling Stones either. Line ups change.. Time to move on. Personally i’m greatful for what all members of the band, former and current contributed. I get to listen to some great music from them, both from within and without the band. 🎸🎶
You don't see this with the Rolling Stones? Did you seriously just say that? And what AC DC lineup changes are you referring to? The one? When someone dies it doesn't count the same as getting kicked out or quitting.
Controversy sells and Gene and Paul will say and do anything for a buck. Big kiss fan here, but it's the truth. Leave it to Gene and Paul to keep the Jewish stereotype alive. BTW Paul is the boss. What Paul says goes even though Gene is the bigger mouth.
I'm not defending Vinnie or Gene... Gene allowed Vinnie to appear at one of his Vault Experiences. Vinny played his guitar and Gene left him to mingle and stuff ( maybe give out the vaults that the fans ordered). It's on TH-cam.
@@dr.roberts4508 That's what Vinnie said - whether or not the yarn he's spinning is actually true, we'll never know. Personally, I don't believe it for a second.
I just always saw it as a flawed, but ultimately symbiotic relationship. Vinnie was undoubtedly a very talented songwriter. But it’s debatable as to whether that talent would have come to the fore without a band such as Kiss providing him with an opportunity to showcase those talents. Vinnie & Kiss, a promising marriage, but one that was seemingly doomed to fail.
Michael, You truly deserve one of those almost impossible hard to get 41mm steel Rolex Submariner watches as you've written THE smartest Comnents here. 👍 👏👏👏
@@nathanlansford1882 Vinnie burned his own bridges by being a flaky and unstable person that was very difficult to work with. Paul and Gene are dicks too, but I don't see why they would want to "celebrate" Vinnie. I think they should appreciate his talent and contributions, for sure. But all signs point to him being toxic. That outweighs musical talent. Not to mention him suing the band multiple times.
@@nathanlansford1882 Vinnie co-wrote some great songs and no one denies that but his personality is horrible and that outweighs everything else. Gene performed with him because that was a Gene thing. This is a Kiss thing meaning Paul has the final say. And of course, Paul said no.
Vinnie was a great songwriter, but he brought this on himself. I don't know if anyone would have anything to do with him anymore. Which is sad really, he had a lot of potential.
Vinnie Vincent was an incredibly talented guitarist and songwriter. He very well might be the greatest musically and re songwriting. It's safe to say that without him, KISS wouldn't have come back in the 80s. Lick It Up returned the band to relevancy and Paul took it from there throughout the mid 80s. Vincent returned for Revenge in songwriting capacity, which was arguably KISS's best album. The band at the time was certainly the most talented: Simmons actually played bass for the first time in over a decade, Stanley was at the top of his game with his guitar work and vocals, Kulick was terrific on lead guitar, and Singer fantastic on drums. May Eric Carr R.I.P., but not even he could really hold a candle to Singer. Criss certainly couldn't, not even on his best day and Singer's worst. Still, that album wouldn't have been what it was without Vincent. Thus, Vincent's talent then can't be denied. Neither could his mental state or professional instability.
^ fanboy of Aunt Vinessa. And the title song Lick It Up, only hit #66 on the charts, it didn't save them. Neither did the following albums that all petered out. What saved them was putting the makeup back on and coming around again with Peter and Ace.
@@b.scottfarthingsworth That's asinine. It's universally recognized what saved KISS was Lick It up and namely taking off the make-up. That made KISS relevant for the most successful Hard Rock musical decade in history (the 80s). Hard Rock and Metal, btw, have never been about hit songs. They're about album sales and concerts. Oh and FYI, Lick It Up, Animalize, Crazy Nights, and Smashes, Thrashes, & Hits went Platinum (Smashes 2X Platinum) while Asylum, Hot In The Shade, and Revenge went Gold. That's hardly petering out. Moreover, the band didn't need saving when it put the make-up back on, but it put the make-up back on and went back to the original (musically inferior) line-up because Gene and Paul realized how much of a cash-grab it would be. They were only partially correct. The make-up move resulted in more concert ticket sales but not more album sales. To this day, Psycho Circus is Gold certified, not Platinum. That disappointment's one reason KISS didn't do another studio album until Sonic Boom ELEVEN years later. If anything, bringing back the original lineup very nearly ruined KISS.
@@eclecticx yes to the make-up removal, no to VV having anything to do with it. They didn't even crack the top 20, I googled it for twenty minutes, and I can't find if they even made the top 50. But they floundered through the 80s and 90s. They started writing good music again, but they really were irrelevant until they returned to the original lineup and makeup. I'm a fan, and I was probably in the KISS Army before you were born, so I lived it as a fan and a musician in NYC. y friend auditioned for them before VV got in, He was offered the gig, then they found out he was 17. and they then had said no.
Kiss was only moderately successful in the 80s. Interest in the band got a little boost that lasted for the Animalize tour, but after that it was down down down. Nobody cared that much about Kiss in the latter half of the 80s.
@@natecannon6746 I saw Kiss last year. It was absolutely phenomenal. I enjoyed every minute. But the vibe it had wasn’t the same as it was back in the day.
@@natashanyxx9486 Vinnie Vincent. Who actually goes by Angel in her personal life but still pretends to be a man professionally despite having C Cups and wearing a suit stolen from Hillary Clinton
@@jaykapolka6111 Seems like you have the transvestite lifestyle down. How many gay bars did you hit to be so knowledgeable? Were you a bottom or a top ?
@@coldwarrior4950 yeah good one. Saying he has tits and a women's pant suit makes me an expert on transvestite-ism 🤣. You think I'm joking but I'm not. The whole Angel thing was on a Swedish documentary about him a few years back. Coincidentally before he showed up in Atlanta looking like a woman
@@coldwarrior4950 also a quick question. You know all the gay slang terms? I see you mentioning tops and bottoms and whatnot. Even though nobody else here talking like that. Is that a normal thing with you people?
I only saw KISS once back in the day (82 or 83), and it just happened to be when Vinnie was with them. I recently ran across Paul's book on Kindle. He mentions the L.A. show that I saw, and how Vinnie played so much bullshit during his solo that people were leaving to get something to eat etc. Then Gene and Paul finally couldn't take anymore, and they just came out on stage and pulled the plug on the jerkoff. I had forgotten those details, but Paul hit it right on the head in his book, and it was all exactly what I witnessed, and exactly how I felt at the time. Paul even talk about what a stupid idea the "Ank" was... At the time, I was like "who the F is this guy, and what the F is he wearing?". I'd never want to see that guy again
@@thecollector4332 Actually, I'm sure Paul took the blame for that... I should have said "his own stupid idea". He said something to the effect of "WTF was I thinking?"...
so what , I saw Zakk Wylde open a show with a 10 minute unaccompanied guitar solo and bent a string 4x , who cares . Vinnie was a great guitarist songwriter, but his personality did not vibe with Kiss
Que Loco y que pena que los tipos talentosos terminen siendo siempre tan complicados, considero que el y Ace fueron los mas talentosos que estuvieron en Kiss por el protagonismo personal de las guitarras de ambos, quienes vinieron despues no los creo talentosos, Bruce recien en REVENGE se puso mas agresivo y aplico mucho del estilo Ace y Tommy por algo nunca llego a nada importante
Vinnie was, WAS, once a very gifted guitarist. Now... He's an unpredictable mental case and has generated enough bad blood to flood the Amazon basin. Bringing back Ace & Peter makes sense as they were founding members. Yeah, they were, at times, pains in the rump but they were FOUNDING MEMBERS. I saw KISS with Vinnie twice and he was kicking it. But that was 35 years ago.
Nathan: Oh, absolutely they have but they're driving the bus so they get to choose the passengers. Remember when Gene tried to patent the "devil horns" hand gesture? I was like "C'MON, MAN!".
Who cares what decisions Kiss makes? They have been a caricature of themselves since Dynasty. Yeah, Vinny was part of two great albums, but Kiss will always be known by the masses as Gene, Paul, Peter and Ace and the greatness that ended with Love Gun.
Well I won’t knock vinnie for his part at putting new life into kiss when they desperately needed a good guitarist and co writer. Lick it up album was the life preserver for this band and lot of credit goes to vinnie on that. But after their falling out we all know vinnie has done some messed up stuff. Some im sure we never heard bout with kiss and fans. He’s backed out of lots of promises he promoted and cancelled shows. Granted he’s had personal issues/ conflicts within himself but he pissed off lot of fans over the yrs . That’s the truth. But he will def be remembered for his contribution to kiss , he played great for them despite his own undoing.
Playing great doesn't make the songs great. Lick It Up never rates high on fans favorite KISS albums. Vinnie was a footnote in the KISS tale. But his eight fans still swear he saved KISS. Too bad they only have two album's to supposably prove their point.
@@surfsup5757 wow. Your a real smart ass. Huh. First off lick it up sold lot of albums when they were slumping downward. Personally I think the album was good. I’ve been a kiss fan since 78. I’m not a vinnie fan as you put it. I’m giving him credit where he is due. He co wrote not just lick it up but others on the album. But I suppose your an elder album fan from sounds of it. The original 4 members are the true kiss hands down. Although Eric carr was great drummer in place of Peter. I still think they aren’t fully kiss without ace & Peter . Shoulda called the band kiss 2 or something. But everyone is entitled to their opinion, vinnie is washed up clearly. Has issues. But even the best critics give him credit for his work on those two albums and yes it did sell a lot and put kiss back into the music mainstream. And it out sold. Creatures of the night album and became their 1st platinum selling album since unmasking. So Do some research before ya go all Karen on others comments.
For once, I agree with Paul and Gene on this. If he is the only one the door is not open to, that says something, considering their bad blood with Ace and Peter.
I guess there are a lot more personal reasons for Paul and Gene than we, the fans, will ever know. Sometimes I wonder what happend during the recording and following tour of Lick it up. But I guess thats privat and confidential.
According to Paul and Gene's book, Vinnie was a royal pain in the ass. He refused to sign his contract. Paul almost punched him onstage when Vinnie chastised him for interrupting his too long guitar solo. Paul also accused him for stealing things from KISS' storage loft. Vinnie's shady behavior outshined his talent.
Gene and Paul are very protective of Tommy and Eric, they wouldn't want to bruise their ego or upset them by having someone who is in his own character perform on stage
Vinnie never signed his contract because they were only paying him $550 per week, and screwed him on royalties even though he made a huge contribution to their survival and success in the 80's. Vinnie just wanted to provide a house for his family and just wanted a nicer car... Gene and Paul are worth 300 million combined now off the back of people who kept them alive. Vinnie had every right to sue them.
So sad. One of the most often touted pieces of advice from people who are successful in any business, not just entertainment, is be easy to work with. It’s not just the KISS guys saying Vinnie is douche..
Not in Brazil, they didn't! *Creatures...* went Gold here in the States, since then. And *Lick It Up* became Kiss' first Gold album here since *Unmasked*.
Absolutely, That star faded a few years ago, Ive never heard a rock musician that complains and bitches as much as Paul Stanley, I've been a Kiss fan for years but just the band in whole, I can't say that I'm a fan of Paul or Gene.
@@michelangelolopez2702 exactly! Ace I think imo was the most loved of the members but man Paul just slams these guys like they never contributed anything!
If you have been bitten and sued....I think G & P have very right to voice their opinion when asked THEY LIVED IT! G & P can’t win...they get told off for not being transparent...and when they do speak their truth, some people get their knickers in a knot. ...if people ask the question about Pete😾why can’t Paul say how depressingly he made the atmosphere. Re Ace🔺why can’t they speak the truth about how unreliable he became by not getting on planes, not rocking up to rehearsals, being in such a wasted state in the recording studio that he wasn’t able to play? Paul mainly and Gene mostly have kept kiss alive when the other two couldn’t..many years ago. I think that although I loved Pete and Ace in their short time in KISS....Paul’s ⭐️ is the brightest & Gene’s Demon 👹 has always been super important to the KISS brand ....So instead of having ago at G&P , they should be applauded 👏👏👏👏👏 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
@@vromanempire2145 fr dude, like we know ace and Peter messed up but that was literally 30 yrs ago! but paul and gene still bring it up and it gets annoying sometimes
In my opinion I'm glad they're not gonna allow him even on stage & yeah he's a good guitarist I mean come on! He wouldn't have been there if he wasn't but even with as good as he was he'll never be able to even hold Bruce Kulick's guitar pick. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of all the era's but yeah Vinnie kinda did this to himself especially seeing as he's sued them quite a few times. So yeah I'm ready to celebrate & I'd love to see something similar to unplugged because it was awesome!! Who knows what may happen but as for me I'm certainly always gonna be a fan no matter what 🤩
@@mattmatthews4274 no, only Lick It Up was a hit [Single charted at #66 in the USA] because of the MTV video exposure, and none of the other 9 songs charted or got heavy rotation airplay and fell off, and Hell's Breaking Loose was weak. Creatures/I Love It Loud hit #22 briefly, the title track flopped. Revenge was like old KISS, but had only one hit GGRR2U, and that's because it was in a movie, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. AND, they didn't write that song, it's an old cover tune. No other songs were hits. So saying "many hits", is opinion, not fact.
First song on Lick It Up: "There were just some things that Vinnie couldn’t play. His sensibility was often too melodic for the band’s style. Vinnie was always struggling to find his place within Kiss, both musically and personally. As I recall we brought Rick Derringer in to take a pass. Moments like this were difficult for Vinnie, but the attitude all of us maintained was that the quality of the record would always be a the priority rather than anybody’s ego" Now I'll brace myself for the fanboy attack defending Aunt Vinessa lol
Vinnie didn't write Beth, I Was Made For Lovin' You, Forever or Crazy Nights. Those are Kiss's biggest hits - regardless of whether or not you like them.
A shame really. Would be cool to see vinnie with kiss/farewell or even back with slaughter, but let's face it, vinnies in no shape to perform in your local bar band much less kiss.
The Vault wasn't KISS that was a Gene thing. Gene will do ANYTHING to get paid. If it meant putting up with Vinnie for an hour or two, so be it. A KISS show/tour is a different story. That would involve mutliple rehearsals and deeper interactions with Vinnie that require working together and relying on the guy to do his part and follow through. That trust bridge has been burned to the ground and the KISS organization would rather not deal with a problematic, sue happy, ex-employee.
A Grand !! Are they freaking out there minds, plus half the show would probably lip-synct for obvious reasons giving there age, and its Not the first time Paul and the band has been caught playing to a backing-tracks, and the phenomena is not new, a lot of bands do that when they come up in age and do shows especially for the more demanding parts of songs and so fourth but at least those bands are honest about it, unlike Kiss, and judging by their track record alone, I'd say that there's gonna be backing-tracks and lip-syncing to some extent, and especially considering there will not be a live show in that way with 15-20 thousand people, its a linked one. And charging people up to that amount of money is outrages in my opinion, no matter how many bombs they have on stage or how long the stream is.
@Alain Bär I mean let's face it,, alive and Alive 2 are pretty much just jigsaw puzzles of junk laying around,,the performances on alive 2 were horrible,, and it's pretty clear by now that the ship is sinking but greed took over and instead of bowing out gracefully,,they became what they were destined to become,, sub par radio crap w zero substance at all put out by a clown show w two of the greediest,most over rated phonies to ever disgrace a stage. If it wasn't for their stage show,,they'd still be living in queens pushing brooms,, although Paul kinda gives the impression that he'd probably end up a male escort or a pole dancer!
I think they've done good after '77. Problem was, in my opinion, too much of a good thing. Too many filler albums. And too much stage show glamor, not enough good musical output. If they'd skipped a few albums and forgettable songs, not bickered so much and maybe sharpen the visual stuff? KISS would've been an even bigger hit! Also, the constant shilling of useless chachki's and whatever with their name on it? Tasteless.
@@surfsup5757 to some people,, profit over principal is the bane of existence. People buy cheap product because the market is flooded with it. Half their income is the cheap generic garbage they hang their name on. If u throw them cheap bottom shelf cookies,, then the sheep will eat bottom shelf cookies!! I'd rather have my name remembered for something good rather than putting out something subpar with a logo on it. Those greedy dick whistles will probably charge admission to their funerals!!! A nickel is too much!!
What a stupid comment....so if you and a mate had a dream and a vision, wrote a bunch of songs, put together a band and as band is starting to make it very, very big , 2 members, the drummer and the lead guitarist started letting the band down by being so wasted and high that they weren’t rocking up to rehearsal or recording studio time....you would just end the band?..no you wouldn’t, you would replace them...it’s that simple....why would anyone think otherwise
Since they've attempted to mend fences with Vinnie multiple times, I say no. Each time, he's found a way to mess it up. Then he sues them umpteen times, because he wouldn't sign his contract and still wanted to get paid for his contributions. Problem is, if he had signed, he would have been paid much more. Because he didn't and KISS paid him a salary, the judge considered Vinnie an employee, rather than a writer/composer and contracted talent. They paid his salary and his benefits, he should have filed at that point or gotten a better lawyer to negotiate whatever he didn't like about his contract. He didn't and cost himself. I would love to see him, but Gene and Paul are correct on this.
No, they're not. Both Eric Carr & Vinnie Vincent were never made full members of Kiss like Peter Criss & Ace Frehley had been. Vinnie contributed a lot to the group, and helped to get them back on their feet, but knew that if he signed that contract, it would still benefit Gene & Paul more than it would him. That's why he wanted to re-negotiate it with them, but they refused to budge. He still refused to sign it, and said that he couldn't come back to the band. Then he was officially "fired."
fuckin Oath............PERIOD !!!!!!!! As a very distant exception and 1 only exception (That i took a very very long time to come to terms with), i will accept Eric Carr THAT'S IT but even then, i do not put Eric in the same basket at the original 4, that'll never happen I just put eric in the basket of... THE BEST OF THE REMAINDER OF THEM and worthy to be called "A Member of Kiss" as for the rest of em i don't even recognize them as band members of kiss and i don't even care to know their names because they are irrelevant.
It's Paul & Genes band & I accept their opinions on this & decision. Who am I to know about the lawsuits Vinnie had against them & disagree with the decision regarding not having Vinnie take part in any possible reunion on stage.
Vinnie had the opportunity of a lifetime when he played with kiss he fucked that up then gets his own band highlighting his name and he fucked that up Vinnie is his own worst enemy he has serious issues going on in his head until he deals with those issues he will never become the musician that the members of kiss are
The lawsuits are part of their history. So Vinny lost them all. Nothing illegal or immoral. If the lawsuits are wrong, meaning illegal or something, Kiss can surely take action. Vinny "worked" for Kiss. Any person has the right to sue an employer. As ugly as it is, it is not wrong. Also, if Gene does not want to get sued again, that is a very very valid point. There are many legal safeguards that can protect Kiss. I 100% understand where Gene is coming from. My point is that he needs to look past the ugliness of the lawsuits and at the entirety of Kiss. Why decide to intentionally keep something great from the fans and the end of their AMAZING legacy? Vinny will not be there because Paul and Gene want him there, he will be there because people that support Kiss want him there. Does Vinny deserve to come back for a few spots? No, not in my opinion "if" I was in Paul and Gene's position. I agree with their points. Should Vinny come back? Yes, because the people that are Kiss fans want him there. Also, it will make the final tour that more special. Vinny needs to step up and face that his lawsuits really hurt the band and his relationship to it. He needs to find some lawyers that can protect him from whatever wrong he somehow thinks was done unto him and offer to sign any contract prohibiting from being sued, and require him to pay dearly if he does decide to sue again and lose. This is business.
Vinnie WAS being under-paid from the get-go. So was Eric Carr. Peter Criss & Ace Frehley were seeing more money from the *Creatures Of The Night* & *Lick It Up* albums than Vinnie or Eric were, for contractual reasons. They were never full members of Kiss the way Peter & Ace had been, no matter how much they contributed--just employees.
Vinnie helped Kiss get back on their feet as a co-songwriter & lead guitarist, after *The Elder* tour was called off, Ace Frehley had his car accident & after Ace left the band.
Gene is correct but Vinnie is having way to many issues to do anything now. I wish Vinnie the best and want him to get better but i think he should be loved as one of the family just do not ask very much of them.
And neither he should. Vinnie is.a lunatic. Why would you let somebody on stage with you who will sue you at the drop of a hat, depending on what way the wind is blowing that day?
I think maybe they should just make a contract for that event and if he signs it then let him play that way there no oh he gonna sue us etc.. Plus Kiss would make lots off that cause there are ppl who are willing to pay to see a reunion with all kiss members
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You can say whatever but Vinnie Vincent played on the most metal albums Kiss ever made creatures and lick it up. Wrote some of the best and heaviest music on Revenge.
That was THEN...
So....
Absolutely Accurate. Gene and Paul were always chasing trends when their success fell off after alive 2. If you look at the albums they were always at the end of a trend.even Chris Jericho noticed this. This is why they needed co-writers like vinnie. Otherwise you’d have more albums like Psycho Circus, Sonic Turd, and Monster.
Yes you are right but that chic Paul Stanley won't admit it.
I can say whatever? Very well. Soccer ball Kansas Eric Clapton nachos queen of England hammer & nails blue spider web Jupiter arthritis. How was that?
At least Vinnie did an Eric Carr Tribute this year.
When?
Since Vinessa can't play a single note on a guitar anymore, she did that tribute in her bedroom maybe
True. Good point. I hope that's what it was for and not a shitty way for Vinnie to get some publicity and money. He's well known for that.
Is it Vinnie still or Vanessa? I'm not trying to be bigoted fool or whatever just wondering. He looks creepy. Even the Adams Family would throw him out.
He was talented. The Creatures show in Rio was an incredible performance. Vinnie played extremely well.
the comments in here are so funny. As if anyone one in here would get back together with someone who tried to sue them 10+ times. Half you clowns would kill the guy who took your parking spot let alone sue you countless times.
You win the Internet today. Couldn’t have said it better myself dude
Vinnie Vincent is available for palm readings and advice on how to be the perfect house wife.
Paul Stanley is in need of a singing voice coach.
~GENE Didn't Mention Why He Was Suing,.
(-But VINNIE Said: He Put All That Work In,
-& Was Still Driving His $500 Five Hundred
-Dollar Car,. And All The While He Got The
-Record Going, And Filling Stadiums/Every-
-One Thinking He's A Success, Yet In Reality
-He Said; They'd Shut Him Up With Pocket
-Money, Figuring Look At Me, I Come From
-Having Nothing, I Was Poor, They Seen It,
-So They'd Stick $800 Bucks In My Pocket,
-Then I Thought I Was Rich,& Have A Night)
Being Hired For A Couple Bucks Is One Thing
But To Then Be Creative Enough, To Warrant
Production Time/Recording Time In The Studio
And Create A Successful Album +
And To Get All The Way Down To
Having 3 Shows Left, And Still Never
Compensated Accordingly, Since He
Was Doing MORE Than What He Was
Hired For, Warranting Just Due Pay!
(-And That's Where The Law Suit Was,
-And KISS Leaned On Why He Was Hired,
-An For What Sum, And Steered Away From
-The Alteration Of Vinnie's Job Description
-Transition, Which Would Change His Worth)
~It Became; Who Had The Better Lawyer(s)
- An` Who Did Not..
~Respectfully!
@Chatsworth Osborne, Jr. ~Yeah,..
Everyone Thinks It's All FUN, But You
Work, And Travel, Constantly,. And If
You's Didn't START Together, You Get
To Watch "Everyone Else" Get RICH! ; \
@Chatsworth Osborne, Jr. I wouldn't come to a conclusion because we don't know exactly everything that went on.
Do you think anyone held a gun to Viv's head to do the Holy Diver album at minimum wage? Do you think that Dio, Ozzy, or KISS would have been less successful without these guitarists? One thing for sure is that these bands were still filling concert halls just as much when these guitarists were no longer with them.
Maybe attitudes are different today. Back then most of us could care less who was playing guitar. We just wanted to see these bands in concert.
Like him or not , Vinnie put KISS back on the map after The Elder
Really? Vinnie was on 2 albums. Creatures didn't sell. Then they took off the makeup and released Lick It Up, which was a success. Seems like it was the removal of the makeup, not Vinnie.
@@martywhite2988 Creatures got critical acclaim though and Lick It Up had killer guitar work. I think Vinnie was great with Kiss. Of course, he did ridiculous things, like 10-hour, self-indulgent guitar solos, but he still added a lot to the Kiss albums he contributed to.
@@kforcer Critical acclaim doesn't put you back on the map. Creatures didn't sell and tickets for the show barely sold. Had it not been for South America, Kiss probably would have folded. If they kept the makeup on, Lick It Up would have been a flop.
@@martywhite2988 Lick It Up had some great songs though. I thought they did a great job marrying an 80's metal sound to the classic Kiss sound. Crazy Nights was a great album too, in my book, even though my favorites off of that didn't make it to the album.
You really think it was all about losing the makeup and not the music? You might be right, but me, I loved the songs off of Lick it Up.
@@kforcer I never cared for Lick It Up. I think Creatures is the superior record. The first album heard was Crazy Nights. I like it, though many despise it. That led me to Exposed, which led me to Alive II. I had no idea they were "that band that wore makeup" until Exposed.
If Vinnie were actually in shape and could prove he could play they'd probably have buried the hatchet one more time for him, but in his current condition? No way.
Vinnie Vincent Will NOT Celebrate Paul Stanley, either...
So, at least it all balances out.
He should...if not for Paul, you wouldn't even know this clowns name.
Paul also ripped him off.
@@nathanlansford1882 Just like how Vinnie continues to rip off his own fans?
go follow Vinnie's page.
@Nate Cannon Which ones were those again?
Some people who have never even tried to sue him, let alone keep receipts or proofs-of-purchase to support their claims?
When did Vinnie Vincent turn into Ann Wilson?
You know I was looking at his picture thinking who in the hell does Vinnie look like and then I went scrolling and there it was, Thank you.
Exactly what i thought or possibly cher with 50 lbs on
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@@JayDogTitan-he6wo At your service.
I don't blame Gene or Paul for not wanting to do anything with Vinnie again.
Vincent looks like my great aunt Mildred in Kiss makeup.
He looks like that out of makeup too lol
I thought that it was a still photo from a very special episode of "Golden Girls." The one where the girls go to a KISS show and bang Gene backstage.
@@funzjag you got one of the best comments in here LMFAO
@@b.scottfarthingsworth Thank you , sir ! I enjoy making people laugh. If I can do that and insult Gene Simmons at the same time, then I feel that I have accomplished something!!! 🤪
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Creatures of the night, 3/4 of that album is bad ass, Young and wasted, and Vinny wrote Not for the innocent, and that's still my favorite none original Kiss tune, he also wrote unholy. and that was the hardest and darkest tune on revenge.
Why is Paul and Gene always "Bashing" their former band-mates? You don't see this with AC/DC or The Rolling Stones? Unreal. It's time to move on here Gene and Paul!
Hard to "move on" from past members when they are constantly asked questions about past members in interviews. Just saying...
Why is it that fans are often ”bashing” two of the current band members?
You dont see that in AC/DC or the Rolling Stones either.
Line ups change..
Time to move on.
Personally i’m greatful for what all members of the band, former and current contributed.
I get to listen to some great music from them, both from within and without the band. 🎸🎶
You don't see this with the Rolling Stones? Did you seriously just say that? And what AC DC lineup changes are you referring to? The one? When someone dies it doesn't count the same as getting kicked out or quitting.
@Frank Terranova only 15 lol
Controversy sells and Gene and Paul will say and do anything for a buck. Big kiss fan here, but it's the truth. Leave it to Gene and Paul to keep the Jewish stereotype alive. BTW Paul is the boss. What Paul says goes even though Gene is the bigger mouth.
I'm not defending Vinnie or Gene... Gene allowed Vinnie to appear at one of his Vault Experiences. Vinny played his guitar and Gene left him to mingle and stuff ( maybe give out the vaults that the fans ordered). It's on TH-cam.
That was a Gene thing. This is a Kiss thing. Paul has the final say on all things Kiss. He said no.
Vinnie almost stood Gene up at Nashville
@@dr.roberts4508 That's what Vinnie said - whether or not the yarn he's spinning is actually true, we'll never know. Personally, I don't believe it for a second.
Kiss is done imo. Ace, Peter and Vinnie will never get their do from Gene and Paul. Sad. Gene and Paul should retire.
I just always saw it as a flawed, but ultimately symbiotic relationship. Vinnie was undoubtedly a very talented songwriter. But it’s debatable as to whether that talent would have come to the fore without a band such as Kiss providing him with an opportunity to showcase those talents. Vinnie & Kiss, a promising marriage, but one that was seemingly doomed to fail.
Vinnie is so talented... A great musician, songwriter and singer !
Was, Foxy, was.
He, or she, it’s up for debate, can hardly play the guitar anymore, les alone compose.
So is Michael Jackson but he had boys sleep in his bed!
Vinnie can play a helluva A chord now
Does he lip-sync, too?
Vinny/Vicky ran out of cash halfway through the surgery.
Paul is right im every way they don't need the headache in kiss
Maybe if someone writes them a big fat check
Who cares not interested
Michael,
You truly deserve one of those almost impossible hard to get 41mm steel Rolex Submariner watches as you've written THE smartest Comnents here. 👍 👏👏👏
You still clicked on the video to comment that, so looks like it intrigued you enough just to say you “don’t care” lol
Interested enough to comment, weren't ya?
Can't say I blame Paul or Gene for this one.
I can. So can other people.
@@nathanlansford1882 Vinnie burned his own bridges by being a flaky and unstable person that was very difficult to work with. Paul and Gene are dicks too, but I don't see why they would want to "celebrate" Vinnie. I think they should appreciate his talent and contributions, for sure. But all signs point to him being toxic. That outweighs musical talent. Not to mention him suing the band multiple times.
@@nathanlansford1882 Vinnie sued the band 15 times and has a horrible personality. No blaming Gene or Paul for this.
And yet Gene will still appear with him--and they'll still play the songs that he co-wrote with them.
@@nathanlansford1882 Vinnie co-wrote some great songs and no one denies that but his personality is horrible and that outweighs everything else. Gene performed with him because that was a Gene thing. This is a Kiss thing meaning Paul has the final say. And of course, Paul said no.
Vinnie was a great songwriter, but he brought this on himself. I don't know if anyone would have anything to do with him anymore. Which is sad really, he had a lot of potential.
Vinnie Vincent was an incredibly talented guitarist and songwriter. He very well might be the greatest musically and re songwriting. It's safe to say that without him, KISS wouldn't have come back in the 80s. Lick It Up returned the band to relevancy and Paul took it from there throughout the mid 80s. Vincent returned for Revenge in songwriting capacity, which was arguably KISS's best album. The band at the time was certainly the most talented: Simmons actually played bass for the first time in over a decade, Stanley was at the top of his game with his guitar work and vocals, Kulick was terrific on lead guitar, and Singer fantastic on drums. May Eric Carr R.I.P., but not even he could really hold a candle to Singer. Criss certainly couldn't, not even on his best day and Singer's worst. Still, that album wouldn't have been what it was without Vincent. Thus, Vincent's talent then can't be denied. Neither could his mental state or professional instability.
^ fanboy of Aunt Vinessa.
And the title song Lick It Up, only hit #66 on the charts, it didn't save them. Neither did the following albums that all petered out. What saved them was putting the makeup back on and coming around again with Peter and Ace.
@@b.scottfarthingsworth That's asinine. It's universally recognized what saved KISS was Lick It up and namely taking off the make-up. That made KISS relevant for the most successful Hard Rock musical decade in history (the 80s). Hard Rock and Metal, btw, have never been about hit songs. They're about album sales and concerts. Oh and FYI, Lick It Up, Animalize, Crazy Nights, and Smashes, Thrashes, & Hits went Platinum (Smashes 2X Platinum) while Asylum, Hot In The Shade, and Revenge went Gold. That's hardly petering out. Moreover, the band didn't need saving when it put the make-up back on, but it put the make-up back on and went back to the original (musically inferior) line-up because Gene and Paul realized how much of a cash-grab it would be. They were only partially correct. The make-up move resulted in more concert ticket sales but not more album sales. To this day, Psycho Circus is Gold certified, not Platinum. That disappointment's one reason KISS didn't do another studio album until Sonic Boom ELEVEN years later. If anything, bringing back the original lineup very nearly ruined KISS.
@@eclecticx yes to the make-up removal, no to VV having anything to do with it.
They didn't even crack the top 20, I googled it for twenty minutes, and I can't find if they even made the top 50. But they floundered through the 80s and 90s. They started writing good music again, but they really were irrelevant until they returned to the original lineup and makeup. I'm a fan, and I was probably in the KISS Army before you were born, so I lived it as a fan and a musician in NYC. y friend auditioned for them before VV got in, He was offered the gig, then they found out he was 17. and they then had said no.
@@krisfx1976 Not at all. In and out of KISS, he has given plenty of evidence to support that.
Kiss was only moderately successful in the 80s. Interest in the band got a little boost that lasted for the Animalize tour, but after that it was down down down. Nobody cared that much about Kiss in the latter half of the 80s.
Would you want to reminisce about the old days with someone who tried to sue you multiple times? i think not!
He also ruined their soup.
@Dave Smith Alphabet.
@Dave Smith It's perfect for all 4 of them.
@Dave Smith Vinnie really did ruin their soup. Stargrandpa is still crying about it.
Kiss died after the farewell tour in 2000 with ace and Peter
Died in 2000? It's 2020 and looks like they are still around!
@@natecannon6746 Yes, sure, but it’s turned into a Vegas act since.
@@martyndunn6337 Uh no it hasn't.
@@natecannon6746 I saw Kiss last year. It was absolutely phenomenal. I enjoyed every minute. But the vibe it had wasn’t the same as it was back in the day.
@@martyndunn6337 there's this little thing called age. You can't compare today's show to the 70s. Not a fair comparison.
I think that Vinnie still needs to prove that he can play, shred at any level.
Me thinks Vinnie got his mother's side of his looks. Great player.
LMAOO
@@rami-cq7ij glad you got a kick out of that! 😂
f'ing awesome/hilarious thumbnail on this. I have to give credit where credit is due. Paul would be happy and approve.
It's hilarious to see KISS fans mocking a man for appearing womanly. You guys are crazy ironic.
I wouldn't either. She has continually sued Kiss to try and finish her transition.
VV saved them when people couldn't care less. He was a real songwriter and super talented guitarist. No room for that in this company.
Vinny had his shot and he blew it, at this point he should be acknowledged for his contributions to the band but that's it,.
We love U, Vinnie Vincent. ❤
Who the hell wants her up there anyways? 😆
Paula?
@@natashanyxx9486 Vinnie Vincent. Who actually goes by Angel in her personal life but still pretends to be a man professionally despite having C Cups and wearing a suit stolen from Hillary Clinton
@@jaykapolka6111 Seems like you have the transvestite lifestyle down. How many gay bars did you hit to be so knowledgeable? Were you a bottom or a top ?
@@coldwarrior4950 yeah good one. Saying he has tits and a women's pant suit makes me an expert on transvestite-ism 🤣. You think I'm joking but I'm not. The whole Angel thing was on a Swedish documentary about him a few years back. Coincidentally before he showed up in Atlanta looking like a woman
@@coldwarrior4950 also a quick question. You know all the gay slang terms? I see you mentioning tops and bottoms and whatnot. Even though nobody else here talking like that. Is that a normal thing with you people?
Vinnie added life to their sad assume clown show. kiss died when Ace left
No...Ace did
@@arthurhall8238SHE IS JUST SOOOOOO JEALOUS 😂
I only saw KISS once back in the day (82 or 83), and it just happened to be when Vinnie was with them.
I recently ran across Paul's book on Kindle. He mentions the L.A. show that I saw, and how Vinnie played so much bullshit during his solo that people were leaving to get something to eat etc.
Then Gene and Paul finally couldn't take anymore, and they just came out on stage and pulled the plug on the jerkoff. I had forgotten those details, but Paul hit it right on the head in his book, and it was all exactly what I witnessed, and exactly how I felt at the time. Paul even talk about what a stupid idea the "Ank" was... At the time, I was like "who the F is this guy, and what the F is he wearing?". I'd never want to see that guy again
Paul was the one that designed vinnie’s makeup and persona. He’s not one to talk.
@@thecollector4332
Actually, I'm sure Paul took the blame for that... I should have said "his own stupid idea".
He said something to the effect of "WTF was I thinking?"...
At least Vinnie went with an original character.
so what , I saw Zakk Wylde open a show with a 10 minute unaccompanied guitar solo and bent a string 4x , who cares .
Vinnie was a great guitarist songwriter, but his personality did not vibe with Kiss
From what i have seen, it’s hardly possible for Vinnie Vincent to be playing on anything, let alone a live stage.
Does he lip-sync, as well?
Exactly...Vinnie can't even play with himself
Yeah, I think vinnies done. He's this generation's Peter green, not half the man (?) he used to be.
Hel-lo? He's been doing his in-person events for his fans for more than a year now!
Back in the day, yeah he was fast but sloppy af. Saw him recently on video and it seems he can barely play.
Que Loco y que pena que los tipos talentosos terminen siendo siempre tan complicados, considero que el y Ace fueron los mas talentosos que estuvieron en Kiss por el protagonismo personal de las guitarras de ambos, quienes vinieron despues no los creo talentosos, Bruce recien en REVENGE se puso mas agresivo y aplico mucho del estilo Ace y Tommy por algo nunca llego a nada importante
Hate to say it but in that pic Vinnie had an eerie resemblance to my aunt Elba...when she was laying in her casket
😂
Vinnie was, WAS, once a very gifted guitarist.
Now...
He's an unpredictable mental case and has generated enough bad blood to flood the Amazon basin.
Bringing back Ace & Peter makes sense as they were founding members. Yeah, they were, at times, pains in the rump but they were FOUNDING MEMBERS.
I saw KISS with Vinnie twice and he was kicking it. But that was 35 years ago.
I think Paul & Gene have generated a lot of bad blood, too & not just with Vinnie!
Nathan: Oh, absolutely they have but they're driving the bus so they get to choose the passengers.
Remember when Gene tried to patent the "devil horns" hand gesture?
I was like "C'MON, MAN!".
They hadn't always been driving the bus, though. That mainly happened after Peter Criss & then Bill Aucoin were fired, and after Ace Frehley left.
Who cares what decisions Kiss makes? They have been a caricature of themselves since Dynasty. Yeah, Vinny was part of two great albums, but Kiss will always be known by the masses as Gene, Paul, Peter and Ace and the greatness that ended with Love Gun.
Well I won’t knock vinnie for his part at putting new life into kiss when they desperately needed a good guitarist and co writer. Lick it up album was the life preserver for this band and lot of credit goes to vinnie on that. But after their falling out we all know vinnie has done some messed up stuff. Some im sure we never heard bout with kiss and fans. He’s backed out of lots of promises he promoted and cancelled shows. Granted he’s had personal issues/ conflicts within himself but he pissed off lot of fans over the yrs . That’s the truth. But he will def be remembered for his contribution to kiss , he played great for them despite his own undoing.
Playing great doesn't make the songs great. Lick It Up never rates high on fans favorite KISS albums. Vinnie was a footnote in the KISS tale. But his eight fans still swear he saved KISS. Too bad they only have two album's to supposably prove their point.
@@surfsup5757 wow. Your a real smart ass. Huh. First off lick it up sold lot of albums when they were slumping downward. Personally I think the album was good. I’ve been a kiss fan since 78. I’m not a vinnie fan as you put it. I’m giving him credit where he is due. He co wrote not just lick it up but others on the album. But I suppose your an elder album fan from sounds of it. The original 4 members are the true kiss hands down. Although Eric carr was great drummer in place of Peter. I still think they aren’t fully kiss without ace & Peter . Shoulda called the band kiss 2 or something. But everyone is entitled to their opinion, vinnie is washed up clearly. Has issues. But even the best critics give him credit for his work on those two albums and yes it did sell a lot and put kiss back into the music mainstream. And it out sold. Creatures of the night album and became their 1st platinum selling album since unmasking. So Do some research before ya go all Karen on others comments.
For once, I agree with Paul and Gene on this. If he is the only one the door is not open to, that says something, considering their bad blood with Ace and Peter.
I guess there are a lot more personal reasons for Paul and Gene than we, the fans, will ever know. Sometimes I wonder what happend during the recording and following tour of Lick it up. But I guess thats privat and confidential.
According to Paul and Gene's book, Vinnie was a royal pain in the ass. He refused to sign his contract. Paul almost punched him onstage when Vinnie chastised him for interrupting his too long guitar solo. Paul also accused him for stealing things from KISS' storage loft. Vinnie's shady behavior outshined his talent.
@Craig @Surfs Up bullshit...gene & paul sucks !!
Gene and Paul are very protective of Tommy and Eric, they wouldn't want to bruise their ego or upset them by having someone who is in his own character perform on stage
Vinnie never signed his contract because they were only paying him $550 per week, and screwed him on royalties even though he made a huge contribution to their survival and success in the 80's. Vinnie just wanted to provide a house for his family and just wanted a nicer car... Gene and Paul are worth 300 million combined now off the back of people who kept them alive. Vinnie had every right to sue them.
I bet if Vinnie was to slip Gene a $100 bill Gene would welcome him with open arms.
Vinnie's Italian-American, too.
He could slip him something but it wouldn't involve cash...
Only $100?
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So sad. One of the most often touted pieces of advice from people who are successful in any business, not just entertainment, is be easy to work with. It’s not just the KISS guys saying Vinnie is douche..
I agree with Benjamin.GO VINNIE!🎸🎸🎸
Paul’s career was over until Vinnie shows up with killer songs, chops and stage presence .
What? Vinnie had ZERO stage presence.Good song writer and player but.Creepy,strange and never really fit in.
No....look again Vinnie prowled the stage . He was out to rock and shred heads off . He had an attitude. It saved Kiss.
Your right about Vinnie giving Kiss a big boost when they needed it badly, but Vinnie is not that person anymore. Frankly I don't know what he is now.
"Creatures of the Night" and it's tour flopped miserably, regardless.
Not in Brazil, they didn't!
*Creatures...* went Gold here in the States, since then.
And *Lick It Up* became Kiss' first Gold album here since *Unmasked*.
Wasn't Vinnie on one of the kiss kruise's? If Paul has the final say why was Vinnie on that big boat? Lol
Maybe he should stop slamming previous members and take a look in the mirror cause that star has faded!!!
Absolutely, That star faded a few years ago, Ive never heard a rock musician that complains and bitches as much as Paul Stanley, I've been a Kiss fan for years but just the band in whole, I can't say that I'm a fan of Paul or Gene.
yo that's literally facts bruv, paul never seems to be satisfied with anyone including gene
@@michelangelolopez2702 exactly! Ace I think imo was the most loved of the members but man Paul just slams these guys like they never contributed anything!
If you have been bitten and sued....I think G & P have very right to voice their opinion when asked THEY LIVED IT! G & P can’t win...they get told off for not being transparent...and when they do speak their truth, some people get their knickers in a knot. ...if people ask the question about Pete😾why can’t Paul say how depressingly he made the atmosphere. Re Ace🔺why can’t they speak the truth about how unreliable he became by not getting on planes, not rocking up to rehearsals, being in such a wasted state in the recording studio that he wasn’t able to play? Paul mainly and Gene mostly have kept kiss alive when the other two couldn’t..many years ago. I think that although I loved Pete and Ace in their short time in KISS....Paul’s ⭐️ is the brightest & Gene’s Demon 👹 has always been super important to the KISS brand ....So instead of having ago at G&P , they should be applauded 👏👏👏👏👏 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
@@vromanempire2145 fr dude, like we know ace and Peter messed up but that was literally 30 yrs ago! but paul and gene still bring it up and it gets annoying sometimes
Vinnie brought punch back to KISS. Paul acts like a little...
Yet will still play his songs......
Exactly.
Wrote some great songs with Kiss, no one denies that. His personality is horrible though and that kinda outweighs everything else.
I dont care! Ace is the only Guitarist that matters!
...cept he doesnt!
In my opinion I'm glad they're not gonna allow him even on stage & yeah he's a good guitarist I mean come on! He wouldn't have been there if he wasn't but even with as good as he was he'll never be able to even hold Bruce Kulick's guitar pick.
Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of all the era's but yeah Vinnie kinda did this to himself especially seeing as he's sued them quite a few times. So yeah I'm ready to celebrate & I'd love to see something similar to unplugged because it was awesome!! Who knows what may happen but as for me I'm certainly always gonna be a fan no matter what 🤩
He at least saved them in the 80s with that one hit song he wrote.
Actually many hits all over Lick It Up creatures and revenge
@@mattmatthews4274 no, only Lick It Up was a hit [Single charted at #66 in the USA] because of the MTV video exposure, and none of the other 9 songs charted or got heavy rotation airplay and fell off, and Hell's Breaking Loose was weak. Creatures/I Love It Loud hit #22 briefly, the title track flopped. Revenge was like old KISS, but had only one hit GGRR2U, and that's because it was in a movie, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. AND, they didn't write that song, it's an old cover tune. No other songs were hits.
So saying "many hits", is opinion, not fact.
First song on Lick It Up:
"There were just some things that Vinnie couldn’t play. His sensibility was often too melodic for the band’s style. Vinnie was always struggling to find his place within Kiss, both musically and personally. As I recall we brought Rick Derringer in to take a pass. Moments like this were difficult for Vinnie, but the attitude all of us maintained was that the quality of the record would always be a the priority rather than anybody’s ego"
Now I'll brace myself for the fanboy attack defending Aunt Vinessa lol
That's sad especially when he actually saved there ass's and wrote some of there best hits!!!
One hit. Lick It Up.
*their
Vinnie didn't write Beth, I Was Made For Lovin' You, Forever or Crazy Nights. Those are Kiss's biggest hits - regardless of whether or not you like them.
Auntie Vinnie
@Stanley Broniszewski No prob.
Vinnie looks like a 70 year old grandma
What about Mark Saint John?
Passed away in '07.
Hate Vinnie all you want,even though he's a very creepy fellow,he's a big part of kisstory
A shame really. Would be cool to see vinnie with kiss/farewell or even back with slaughter, but let's face it, vinnies in no shape to perform in your local bar band much less kiss.
@@user-qr7ee2cp4y bad blood from both bands VV screwed both bands over so prolly not gonna happen. Keep dreamin tho
On the 8th day was a christian band Petra's tune. Not Vinny Vincent, and ant member of Kiss
I can't argue with Gene not wanting Vinnie onstage, but if he felt that way, why use him on the "Vault Tour" ?
The Vault wasn't KISS that was a Gene thing. Gene will do ANYTHING to get paid. If it meant putting up with Vinnie for an hour or two, so be it. A KISS show/tour is a different story. That would involve mutliple rehearsals and deeper interactions with Vinnie that require working together and relying on the guy to do his part and follow through. That trust bridge has been burned to the ground and the KISS organization would rather not deal with a problematic, sue happy, ex-employee.
@georgecc No, they wouldn't. They'd rather keep as much money as they can for themselves--and maybe still ask Vinnie for help once in a while.
A Grand !! Are they freaking out there minds, plus half the show would probably lip-synct for obvious reasons giving there age, and its Not the first time Paul and the band has been caught playing to a backing-tracks, and the phenomena is not new, a lot of bands do that when they come up in age and do shows especially for the more demanding parts of songs and so fourth but at least those bands are honest about it, unlike Kiss, and judging by their track record alone, I'd say that there's gonna be backing-tracks and lip-syncing to some extent, and especially considering there will not be a live show in that way with 15-20 thousand people, its a linked one. And charging people up to that amount of money is outrages in my opinion, no matter how many bombs they have on stage or how long the stream is.
They should have hung it up in 77
@Alain Bär I mean let's face it,, alive and Alive 2 are pretty much just jigsaw puzzles of junk laying around,,the performances on alive 2 were horrible,, and it's pretty clear by now that the ship is sinking but greed took over and instead of bowing out gracefully,,they became what they were destined to become,, sub par radio crap w zero substance at all put out by a clown show w two of the greediest,most over rated phonies to ever disgrace a stage. If it wasn't for their stage show,,they'd still be living in queens pushing brooms,, although Paul kinda gives the impression that he'd probably end up a male escort or a pole dancer!
I think they've done good after '77. Problem was, in my opinion, too much of a good thing. Too many filler albums. And too much stage show glamor, not enough good musical output. If they'd skipped a few albums and forgettable songs, not bickered so much and maybe sharpen the visual stuff? KISS would've been an even bigger hit! Also, the constant shilling of useless chachki's and whatever with their name on it? Tasteless.
But that's when the money started rolling in. Would you quit after depositing that two million dollar check?
@@surfsup5757 to some people,, profit over principal is the bane of existence. People buy cheap product because the market is flooded with it. Half their income is the cheap generic garbage they hang their name on. If u throw them cheap bottom shelf cookies,, then the sheep will eat bottom shelf cookies!! I'd rather have my name remembered for something good rather than putting out something subpar with a logo on it. Those greedy dick whistles will probably charge admission to their funerals!!! A nickel is too much!!
What a stupid comment....so if you and a mate had a dream and a vision, wrote a bunch of songs, put together a band and as band is starting to make it very, very big , 2 members, the drummer and the lead guitarist started letting the band down by being so wasted and high that they weren’t rocking up to rehearsal or recording studio time....you would just end the band?..no you wouldn’t, you would replace them...it’s that simple....why would anyone think otherwise
Don't balme hom one.bit....Paul is the man!....Peace and happy holidays dude!
Since they've attempted to mend fences with Vinnie multiple times, I say no. Each time, he's found a way to mess it up. Then he sues them umpteen times, because he wouldn't sign his contract and still wanted to get paid for his contributions. Problem is, if he had signed, he would have been paid much more. Because he didn't and KISS paid him a salary, the judge considered Vinnie an employee, rather than a writer/composer and contracted talent. They paid his salary and his benefits, he should have filed at that point or gotten a better lawyer to negotiate whatever he didn't like about his contract. He didn't and cost himself. I would love to see him, but Gene and Paul are correct on this.
No, they're not. Both Eric Carr & Vinnie Vincent were never made full members of Kiss like Peter Criss & Ace Frehley had been.
Vinnie contributed a lot to the group, and helped to get them back on their feet, but knew that if he signed that contract, it would still benefit Gene & Paul more than it would him.
That's why he wanted to re-negotiate it with them, but they refused to budge. He still refused to sign it, and said that he couldn't come back to the band.
Then he was officially "fired."
I heard Vinne in an interview recently. At least he admitted his short comings unlike Paul Stanley who blames his short comings on everyone else.
the only people who matter are the original 4. period.
fuckin Oath............PERIOD !!!!!!!!
As a very distant exception and 1 only exception
(That i took a very very long time to come to terms with),
i will accept Eric Carr THAT'S IT
but even then, i do not put Eric in the same basket at the original 4, that'll never happen
I just put eric in the basket of... THE BEST OF THE REMAINDER OF THEM
and worthy to be called "A Member of Kiss"
as for the rest of em
i don't even recognize them as band members of kiss
and i don't even care to know their names because they are irrelevant.
Wrong.
It's Paul & Genes band & I accept their opinions on this & decision. Who am I to know about the lawsuits Vinnie had against them & disagree with the decision regarding not having Vinnie take part in any possible reunion on stage.
Vinnie played on the two best Kiss albums Creatures and Lick It Up....coincidence?
Appears Vinnie left butt hurt to sue that many times,
Vinnie had the opportunity of a lifetime when he played with kiss he fucked that up then gets his own band highlighting his name and he fucked that up Vinnie is his own worst enemy he has serious issues going on in his head until he deals with those issues he will never become the musician that the members of kiss are
The lawsuits are part of their history. So Vinny lost them all. Nothing illegal or immoral. If the lawsuits are wrong, meaning illegal or something, Kiss can surely take action. Vinny "worked" for Kiss. Any person has the right to sue an employer. As ugly as it is, it is not wrong. Also, if Gene does not want to get sued again, that is a very very valid point. There are many legal safeguards that can protect Kiss. I 100% understand where Gene is coming from. My point is that he needs to look past the ugliness of the lawsuits and at the entirety of Kiss. Why decide to intentionally keep something great from the fans and the end of their AMAZING legacy? Vinny will not be there because Paul and Gene want him there, he will be there because people that support Kiss want him there. Does Vinny deserve to come back for a few spots? No, not in my opinion "if" I was in Paul and Gene's position. I agree with their points. Should Vinny come back? Yes, because the people that are Kiss fans want him there. Also, it will make the final tour that more special. Vinny needs to step up and face that his lawsuits really hurt the band and his relationship to it. He needs to find some lawyers that can protect him from whatever wrong he somehow thinks was done unto him and offer to sign any contract prohibiting from being sued, and require him to pay dearly if he does decide to sue again and lose. This is business.
Vinnie WAS being under-paid from the get-go. So was Eric Carr.
Peter Criss & Ace Frehley were seeing more money from the *Creatures Of The Night* & *Lick It Up* albums than Vinnie or Eric were, for contractual reasons.
They were never full members of Kiss the way Peter & Ace had been, no matter how much they contributed--just employees.
Dumbest post ever...
Nathan Lansford yea.. your point? Vinnie was an employee, not a member. If he wasn’t happy with the deal than he could’ve left.
@Bruce Wayne Hel-lo? He did.
@Arthur Hall In what way, exactly?
How many last tours are there? The last and final tours I remember from the late 90's.
Paul Stanley doesn't celebrate anyone but himself
What did Bruce do so wrong?
Why the loop ??????
Lover's Quarrel
Seeing how Vinnie wrote killer song's with Creatures and saved Kiss on lick it up. Love Kiss but this is silly.
How do u figure he saved KISS?
that was 40 years ago. Let it go, Indy. Let it go.
He didnt save them, taking the make up off got them publicity not the music. The casual rock fan wouldnt even know who Vinnie Vincent is.
Vinnie helped Kiss get back on their feet as a co-songwriter & lead guitarist, after *The Elder* tour was called off, Ace Frehley had his car accident & after Ace left the band.
i agree with paul
Gene is correct but Vinnie is having way to many issues to do anything now. I wish Vinnie the best and want him to get better but i think he should be loved as one of the family just do not ask very much of them.
Kiss is Vinnie Vincent Berries and Juices only
I love vinnie Vincent 🤘🎸
And neither he should. Vinnie is.a lunatic. Why would you let somebody on stage with you who will sue you at the drop of a hat, depending on what way the wind is blowing that day?
Not true. Apparently, you don't get what goes on in the business side of Kiss.
Vinnie looks great with his makeup on. Vinnie hasn't aged not one bit! Really. Pass the bucket of fried chicken please! And make it quick! LoL.
More like a bucket of gizzards and livers.
Its Mrs. Cusano!
Vinnie sued them a lot soooooo.
░▒▓█ Hands UP of the ones that seen KIZZ L I V E !█▓▒░
If it weren't for Vinnie Kiss would have went out of business
Blackie Lawless is slowly morphing into Vinnie Vincent's twin sister.
Put there difference aside for the fans would be cool.
Umm no...if someone sued you multiple times, you would have them over for XMas dinner?
@@arthurhall8238 Paul's Jewish, so probably not 😁😁
@@daveg4236 - it's called an example...wasn't referring to Paul!
There
Gene has appeared with Vinnie, more recently.
*So, whatever...
That Dubai gig was killer. I don't think the lsd I dropped before watching hurt one bit.
I think maybe they should just make a contract for that event and if he signs it then let him play that way there no oh he gonna sue us etc.. Plus Kiss would make lots off that cause there are ppl who are willing to pay to see a reunion with all kiss members
He kept refusing to sign a contract when he was with them the 1st time, chances are he won't sign for a one off
Paul & Gene right on this one
Vinnie has pissed in his whiskey
More times .
I don’t really care for Vinnie
That's ok...he doesn't need you to paul
Kiss sucks. Was a fan but the arrogance of Paul and especially Gene gets on my fn nerves.